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[KittyTacky]

Meow!

VOTE: Saladman27 for nyot confirming.

[KittyTacky]

I'm going to sleep, it's late where I live. Good nyaight.

[KittyTacky]

I usually get scumread for this but eh who cares.

1. How long have you played the game of mafia, not just on this site, but ever?
2. Do you like playing the role of town or mafia better?
3. Are you an active poster or a lurker?
4. Do you find it hard to lie or it something you have no issues with?

1. Played Tyown Of Salem since 2018, moved to forum mafia in 2021.
2. I prefer being a tyown PR (purr role) or scum. But I like being a VT too.
3. Depends on how I "vibe" with the game. Usually semi-active.
4. No issues.

[KittyTacky]

Mala villagery tho, why do you want to vote only villagers mr monkey?

I heard scum being called "wolves" but first tyime I see someone consyistently calling tyownies "villagers".

[KittyTacky]

Self-consciousness isn't a scumtell IMHO.

I don't know how koopa "reads from the hip" on pages 1-2 and expects to be accurate in any way.

[KittyTacky]

UNVOTE:

I don't really like Mala but I will refrain from really voting them for nyow.

FOS: Malakittens

[KittyTacky]

Koopa is tyown.

VOTE: Malakittens
This one is pretty obvious.

VOTE: NK15
This one is pretty obvious.

Not vibing with this chainsaw(?).

[KittyTacky]

Spoiler: scorpius

I’m ready to 1v1 someone who was on a Mala wagon.

Been feeling some scum energy getting pushed into that direction.

Where shall i pounce

Why don't you just do it instead of posturing about it? I've been waiting for you to actually do something like this for a bit now.

I’d rather see how people react to me saying it than do it

I think it’s fair, I would be more inclined at this early stage to think the voters were more sus than the votee..

based on?

Experience.. of course I have no hard data, but how many times is the first wagon flipping scum? It’s a crapshoot. So I go off of what I know.

Now granted it’s 2 votes, but steam will pick up on it and you’ll find at least on scum to push on D2.

I am also still learning this blurry line that used to be RVS in these games… like is it still a thing, is it not? Is it now optional? Like I’m really confused..

The first wagon is usually on flimsy logic, but this one isn't IMO.

[KittyTacky]

Like Italiano has a lot of shade thrown at Mala, *however*, he is pushing elsewhere instead, rather than pursuing a read that in words is their strongest wolfread, when you look at the things Italiano has said.

Also this world I feel that Salad slot also fits in as the 3rd wolf - in which case I need to wait for Salad to post here to see how they act.

Now that you mentyion it, yeah I agree and I'm willing to sheep this.
VOTE: ItalianoVD

[KittyTacky]

Mala and Italiano are both scummy to me right meow.

[KittyTacky]

Also Mala has not once reacted to Italiano's shade against her, but has replied to mostly everyone pushing her otherwise.

This is my issue. I've given her plenty of things to respond to and I only get a joke. I think?

But you said 224 just before?

[KittyTacky]

im not seeing what you're seeing when you mean both kitty's posts are fairly pure tonally that i can dismiss them as town, and i think scum would be more trigger happy to give that assessment.
so now i'm asking you how you reached that judgment.

i also think malakittens is addressing JV as if they already know JV is town and is trying to get their trust. that's a very weak read tho, and it seems like there's background there.

this could be an anti partner from JV-Human to shade onto Malakittens.

Human had early scum reads on Mala/Koopa, but switched when they needed to go against me.

This could be a Kitty-Human pairing post.

I'm unsure on HEM but I'm tyown.

[KittyTacky]

Mala villagery tho, why do you want to vote only villagers mr monkey?

villagey how?

That entrance is fairly pure tonally, what's bad about it?

That it assumes that FL is town?

it should always just be assumed i'm town

Flavor Leaf
Most Cunning Manipulator
Don Corleone
A guy smoking a cigarette rolling his eye on you
Location: San Francisco

Yep. I can trust this guy.

while this is a little nitpicky, I can see scum throwing this line to add just a little bit extra paranoia to my slot, even though my line was pretty throwaway ego joke.

Wouldnt use it as a main thing ever, but just a few extra sprinkles to the scum case sundae.

Joes are NAI.

[KittyTacky]

*jokes lmao

[KittyTacky]

I believe that Human is attempting a White Knight pocket attempt on Italiano to lower my presence in the game as scum.

It isn't a chainsaw.

What's a chainsaw? I saw that mentioned twice now

Player A (Town) pushes Player B (Scum).

Player C (Scum) pushes Player A. <--- that's the chainsaw. They defend their partner by attacking the one thats pushing their partner.

Don't see how this is typically scum!AI either in and of itself, Town who thinks that a case on somebody to be manipulative or overall opportunistic etc would do the same.

It depends on context.

[KittyTacky]

What a horrible and embarassing start to my first game in 2 years. There's so much I've forgotten and now I'm under information overload because I got my role PM just as I lost signal on the way to camping. I promise I'll take a good read over this whole thread in the next 2 days.

Welcome!

[KittyTacky]

I'm interested in how others perceive Flavor's play here - I'm inclined to think town because I think they're genuinely trying to solve and put necessary pressure on other players, but by the same token they seem skilled enough to approach the game this way as mafia and potentially manage to get away with it. I do find it interesting that they've basically been able to alter the direction of the game with pretty minimal pushback at all beyond those they've suspected.

That's also my take, right meow I have Flavor as a solid tyownread.

[KittyTacky]

sure. you can believe that. or you can let it go, townread it for now, go find other scum, and reevaluate later.

Feels like an unnecessarily confrontational post. Why not just directly address what I'm saying instead of passing it off? Your stance on a player changed very quickly and I'm interested to know why.

why does that feel confrontational to you?

Probably the snarky tone?

[KittyTacky]

If Italiano ever flips wolf that can be fulfilled but that was a joke combined with my confidence in my own play. I think wolves are playing very well and/or there is an uninformed aspect in the mix - which is why the traitor thing was noted - I feel trouble finding a viable trio.

Yeah I'm finding it hard to read the game so far, that's why I'm kinda quiet. My two scumreads are shaky and so are my townreads.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Koopa

For flooding the game with crappy contradicting logic.

Scorpious stonks going down.

Speaking of contradicting logic, did anyone else notice how Mala went fully into lurkspace after people stopped pushing them? Sus.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Malakittens

Choo choo.

[KittyTacky]

Scorpious is also scummy to me.

[KittyTacky]

Catchup done, the FL/HEM shitfight was honestly tiring to read.

[KittyTacky]

Scorpious being hurt here means Scorpious is town I think

He made a convincing ATE in Music Hits as scum. Doesn't mean he's scum here, I don't really see how he's particularly scummy this game.

[KittyTacky]

lmao it was a riff on you hating lists but i was pleasantly surprised you responded

why do you think Mala is town? what about Kitty's play makes you think they're playing well?

I just hate straight lists.. I really do..

I don’t think Scum makes a LAMISS entrance, especially an experienced player..

And Kitty nailed me my last game with them, really a great call without any info.

I was referring to our last game together. Hasn’t done too much so far but they have proven to be capable in my eyes.

Even an experienced player can slip. "Too scummy to be scum" is nonsense.

[KittyTacky]

VC 1.14

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Malakittens [3]:

humaneatingmonkey [792], Roden [804], KittyTacky [805]

koopashell [3]:

Scorpious [457], ItalianoVD [484], JacksonVirgo [820]

Flavor Leaf [1]:

Not Known 15 [620]

humaneatingmonkey [1]:

Flavor Leaf [683]

ItalianoVD [1]:

koopashell [817]

Not voting [4]:

MalcolmTucker, MathBlade, Andresvmb, Malakittens [561]

mod notes

Andresvmb replaces Saladman27, and MathBlade replaces Facebones.

I hate the Koopa wagon so much, not to mention two of my scumleans are on it.

flavor

Spoiler:

[KittyTacky]

I think I might be town reading Human now, idk. I'll sit on it, but today's a new day, I had a day to sit on it.

I really think it's Roden now, and I don't think I would have if I still thought Human was more likely scum than town.

I just don't see Roden being very likely to be scum. Doesn't "feel right" to me if you catch my drift.

[KittyTacky]

VC 1.13

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Flavor Leaf [3]:

humaneatingmonkey [265], Roden [598], Not Known 15 [620]

koopashell [2]:

Scorpious [457], ItalianoVD [484]

Not Known 15 [1]:

JacksonVirgo [138]

ItalianoVD [1]:

KittyTacky [364]

Scorpious [1]:

koopashell [625]

humaneatingmonkey [1]:

Flavor Leaf [683]

Not voting [4]:

MalcolmTucker, Facebones, Saladman27, Malakittens [561]

mod notes

Replacing Saladman27. There's someone who asked to be on the replace list so they'll have priority for a few hours

Boon wagon looks stale.

To those of you on it why is Boon scum? Or is it left over RVS?

Why do you call FL "Boon"? And yeah I agree that he's town.

I decided to drop the nya-speak self-imposed post restriction because I felt it made my posts annoying to read and nobody ever commented on it so it's a waste of effort.

[KittyTacky]

I think this is the real reason you find me wolfy:
I am loud.
I have opinions.
I talk a lot.
I am not afraid to change.
Did I mention loud?

You see me post a lot, and with an aggressive tone and you are scared.

That's the reason.

I doubt you will admit that, or rather, have the level of insight able to figure that out - but your level of reading is extremely ineffective towards my playstyle as it fails to take into account context.
What is shocking is you are not at the same time pushing FL here too.

I hate lists.. They’re a scum tell to me..

What even is wrong with lists...

I take back what I said about Scorpious.

[KittyTacky]

If FL is town and we're correct that a mafia team member defended them to distance themselves from a possible teammate like HEM, then I'm not completely hating the possibility of it being Kitty considering they're also on the Mala wagon.

In post 369 they said they were unsure on HEM, but they later TR'd FL and joined HEM's Mala bandwagon. Post 801 could easily be a way to create a bit of distance as well in a way that seems reasonable without being particularly accusatory at all. Especially considering it was regarding a much earlier post in the game, I'm strugglingv to find a reason to go back to that other than if they genuinely just really disliked the tone of HEM's post.

I will point out that their suspicion on Mala has been quite consistent though, so it doesn't necessarily feel like an opportunistic vote to the same extent as it otherwise could have.

Intrigued to hear where Kitty is on HEM at the moment though because their views on them still feel somewhat obscured.

No strong feelings about HEM.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: kitty

I read their meta and got cold feet.
I also read Kitty's meta and this feels correct.

Everyone's buzzing around and saying I'm scummy but nobody's elaborating. Why?

I play like this every game as either alignment. It's just my playstyle, sometimes I get scumread for it.

[KittyTacky]

Let's wagon Kitty.

I'd probably be more willing to do so if there wasn't so much resistance to a Mala wagon every time it cropped up while she lurks out the pressure.

Yeah I don't see how I am a wagon target when Mala is scummy as all get up and lurks way harder than me.

[KittyTacky]

I usually get scumread for this but eh who cares.

1. How long have you played the game of mafia, not just on this site, but ever?
2. Do you like playing the role of town or mafia better?
3. Are you an active poster or a lurker?
4. Do you find it hard to lie or it something you have no issues with?

1. Played Tyown Of Salem since 2018, moved to forum mafia in 2021.
2. I prefer being a tyown PR (purr role) or scum. But I like being a VT too.
3. Depends on how I "vibe" with the game. Usually semi-active.
4. No issues.

Favorite town of Salem role?

@HEM -> Peppy is an adjective like hyper or happy. More umph in your step.

Town = vig or investigator
Mafia = blackmailer
Neutral = jester or pirate (in coven)
Coven = necromancer

[KittyTacky]

Is it AtE about how offended they are that their town playstyle has been wrongfully called "lost"?

As scum, that's amazing cover and Im probably gonna double down when people underestimate me like that. He didnt, and it makes me think its likely genuine

He got very annoyed when I pushed him last game, called me dense and stubborn in the same way a townie would if wrongfully pushed (the push was on mechanics), etc.

[KittyTacky]

Are you really Russian? How are things there?

Yes. Not good.

[KittyTacky]

VC 1.13

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Flavor Leaf [3]:

humaneatingmonkey [265], Roden [598], Not Known 15 [620]

koopashell [2]:

Scorpious [457], ItalianoVD [484]

Not Known 15 [1]:

JacksonVirgo [138]

ItalianoVD [1]:

KittyTacky [364]

Scorpious [1]:

koopashell [625]

humaneatingmonkey [1]:

Flavor Leaf [683]

Not voting [4]:

MalcolmTucker, Facebones, Saladman27, Malakittens [561]

mod notes

Replacing Saladman27. There's someone who asked to be on the replace list so they'll have priority for a few hours

Boon wagon looks stale.

To those of you on it why is Boon scum? Or is it left over RVS?

Why do you call FL "Boon"? And yeah I agree that he's town.

I decided to drop the nya-speak self-imposed post restriction because I felt it made my posts annoying to read and nobody ever commented on it so it's a waste of effort.

Post restrictions aren’t allowed in normals on the site.

It’s short for Boonskiies. It’s the name I have known FL for the longest.

Hence why self-imposed.

[KittyTacky]

Koopa is the towniest town who ever towned and I think the wagon on them is very sus.

[KittyTacky]

Are you really Russian? How are things there?

Yes. Not good.

Stay safe man

I am now thoroughly convinced why people do alts around here.

My last game I was answering for my last game and it seems the same is going on here…

This game…
This game
This game
This game


We are playing this game… not last game, not 5 games before … this game..

Pedit-yes, please be safe. We’re all human..

Thanks both of you.

And you can't expect people to not take past behavior into account to make guesses. That is indeed why people make alts, to slip under the radar. Just a consequence of the format, if it was like most online social deduction games (ToS, ToL, amogus) where you can pick a name every time you play it'd not have that aspect.

[KittyTacky]

Koopa is the towniest town who ever towned and I think the wagon on them is very sus.

Why does everyone steal my catchphrase lmao?

It's a good catchphrase!

What are people’s reads on Mathblade?

They recently replaced into a lurky slot, I have a slight townlean on them but honestly it's too early to tell.

Koopa is the towniest town who ever towned and I think the wagon on them is very sus.

I don't really understand why people are voting a claimed PR or what they hope to achieve by making them a competing wagon.

Last game I played, a weak PR claim got away despite being very scummy day 1 just for being a PR claim, but this time Koopa is hardly scummy and they don't seem like a weak PR given that they didn't claim outright. Unless it's WIFOM.

Koopa is the towniest town who ever towned and I think the wagon on them is very sus.

who do you think is scum with malakittens in koopa's wagon?

Jackson and/or Scorp. I doubt it's both, just seems unlikely, but both are scummy to me.

[KittyTacky]

There's almost definitely at least one scum between {Malakittens, JacksonVirgo, Scorpious}. Italiano seems less scummy after a reevaluation but it's possible. But I'm voting between those three today barring something shaking up the gamestate in an extreme manner.

[KittyTacky]

@Not Known 15
Malcolm played like this as town in Music Hits too IIRC, his indecisiveness is NAI.

There's almost definitely at least one scum between {Malakittens, JacksonVirgo, Scorpious}. Italiano seems less scummy after a reevaluation but it's possible. But I'm voting between those three today barring something shaking up the gamestate in an extreme manner.

I honestly think it might end up being both town there, I don't see why mafia sit on the Koopa wagon at all right now given what we know.

Personally I've not felt Mala was mafia for the entire game so far for the most part but I do think their general lack of activity/lack of pushes is increasingly suspicious. Very much sitting back and letting others take charge after the early push on them. I also still maintain the quick attempt to wagon Mala again (3 votes in 13 posts) from you guys was incredibly suspect too.

1. Why would

town

sit on Koopa? Not a rhetorical question. Koopa is jumpy with votes annnnd... that's about it. Hardly a reason to wagon an active player when scum is usually quieter.

2. It happened after I pointed out Mala's lurkiness.

Kitty - what do you think of NK15?

Town lean.

[KittyTacky]

@everyone

We should stop here for a moment(1 day or so) and everyone posts readslists and then we can discuss more.

Sure. No order within categories.

Confirmed Town

KittyTacky

Strong Town

koopashell

Town Lean

Not Known 15
Flavor Leaf
MathBlade
MalcolmTucker

Null/Neutral

Andresvmb
humaneatingmonkey
Roden

Scum Lean

JacksonVirgo
Scorpious
ItalianoVD

Strong Scum

Malakittens

Confirmed Scum

Nobody!

[KittyTacky]

First time doing this list format, any feedback?

[KittyTacky]

MT, you still didn't answer my question as for why TOWNIES would sit on Koopa. It's a dumb play as scum but a dumber one as town. Maybe they're trying to make a wagon crystallize. Maybe just one is scum and the other is a scummy townie who got sheeped. IDK.

[KittyTacky]

I am also aware I am wrong on at least one scumread, since there are 3 scum and I have 4 scumreads. I doubt I just clapped all 3 scum day 1 but if I had to pick just one to be wrong about, it's be ItalianoVD.

[KittyTacky]

MT, you still didn't answer my question as for why TOWNIES would sit on Koopa. It's a dumb play as scum but a dumber one as town. Maybe they're trying to make a wagon crystallize. Maybe just one is scum and the other is a scummy townie who got sheeped. IDK.

I explained it above in 1164. It's a dumb town play but Scorpious didn't even know Koopa had role claimed. I don't think they've really been paying that much attention beyond their pretty crap push on Koopa.

I don't see the explanation in 1164... am I stupid?

[KittyTacky]

First time doing this list format, any feedback?

I hate it

You would no matter the format.

[KittyTacky]

Unless they are confirmed scum, as of which kitty has revealed that nobody was conf!scum in their recent tier-list, I am not voting there.

Well at least now if Mala flips red then JV is mega sus.

[KittyTacky]

Things I don’t like other than lists..

Uses of the word “us” when being concerned town.
Death tunnels
Lurking
Hyper posting
Anime Avatars
Mech speak that’s above my head
Used to not like hydras but they’re cool
Over reactions
Not being able to post gifs properly
Snipping being difficult on my phone
Having to be here on Monday..

(:

And you say lists are a scumtell! Sus for contradiction!

[KittyTacky]

pu kcaB there. Just because I won't be voting there makes me mega sus if they flip red? Lmfao

You're defending a player who did basically nothing to solve so hard. Scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[KittyTacky]

pu kcaB there. Just because I won't be voting there makes me mega sus if they flip red? Lmfao

You're defending a player who did basically nothing to solve so hard. Scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Saying I am not voting there is not defending.

It implies a townread. What would you townread them for.

MT, you still didn't answer my question as for why TOWNIES would sit on Koopa. It's a dumb play as scum but a dumber one as town. Maybe they're trying to make a wagon crystallize. Maybe just one is scum and the other is a scummy townie who got sheeped. IDK.

I explained it above in 1164. It's a dumb town play but Scorpious didn't even know Koopa had role claimed. I don't think they've really been paying that much attention beyond their pretty crap push on Koopa.

I don't see the explanation in 1164... am I stupid?

I outlined why I don't think Scorpious/JV would sit there - it's dumb town play yes but neither of them seem too invested in the game and Koopa has no chance of going out when mafia should surely be trying to wagon a less obvious townie.

JV's sudden switch feels potentially opportunistic though despite the fact they now have a similar suspect list to me.

Okay but I asked why town would sit there. IMO townies have even less of a reason to sit on the town leader.
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I CAN'T MAKE A POST EVERYONE KEEPS NINJAING ME

[KittyTacky]

It implies a townread. What would you townread them for.

You inferred wrong, it just means I am not voting outside of my scum-reads just because monk wants me to.

Who are your scumreads?

[KittyTacky]

@everyone

We should stop here for a moment(1 day or so) and everyone posts readslists and then we can discuss more.

I am not really a reads list guy I am more a potential trans guy. If I stop catching up (as it is I am 5 pages behind and I have to start work now) then I would be doing so inaccurately as well. Therefore I will not do this.

What makes you post in this game and not in the prior game you were vigged?

Potential trans?

I'm getting more and more willing to vote JV but for now I'm on Mala. Treat this as an imaginary doublevote on JV.

[KittyTacky]

@everyone

We should stop here for a moment(1 day or so) and everyone posts readslists and then we can discuss more.

I hate this idea..

Of course you do.

JacksonVirgoon. Scumpious. Mafiakittens.

[KittyTacky]

moves JacksonVirgoon down to "Strong Scum"

[KittyTacky]

moves JacksonVirgoon down to "Strong Scum"

You already had me there, you aren't fooling anyone.

You were a scumlean when I made my list. It's deffo you and Mala.

[KittyTacky]

I think FL is just pocketed town and Scorpious is more likely to be the third mafioso. His playstyle really reads to me like a defeated scum being sad at his teammates sinking day 1.

Koopa is super town.

[KittyTacky]

JV pointed out Koopa may be wrong re how they perceive the role alignments available in the game, I don't think mafia does that and it gives him some town points from me. If Koopa is wrong on this, why correct them? If they're right, seems risky to try a misdirect for available roles in the game.

Sinking mafias will do anything to get townread.

Both Scumpious and Mafiakittens did basically nothing to solve this game.

Let's get Mala to E-1 so they get hammered.

[KittyTacky]

I’ve been trying to think of a way to not have the worst mechanical issue to ever exist from what I know can happen but it seems things are going down that way.

I am PR and I am claiming this because I am a false positive to a gunsmith. I’ve been trying my hardest to find a way to get around not claiming because 2 PR claims day 1 with neither being eliminated or about to might be game breaking so I am claiming.

I am a backup of a role which is positive to a GS. I thought I was just to keep the role consistent but turns out I now believe the base role does not exist or at least I am hoping that this role only exists as a false positive to the GS.

I have softed this even before getting into heat from poopa but it shows what I am a backup of so Id rather not. This has nothing to do with my reads just dont wanna get false red checked if mala does flip scum. Cuz that would be omega shit

Well now you are a target to mafia, why not fully claim?

[KittyTacky]

I think FL is just pocketed town and Scorpious is more likely to be the third mafioso. His playstyle really reads to me like a defeated scum being sad at his teammates sinking day 1.

Koopa is super town.

Scorpious has been playing the same way consistently throughout D1 and has done this before as town, this is quite frankly a bit of a leap. Why are players acting as if the game has been solved pre end of D1? Some of you seem remarkably overconfident given the back and forth arguments we've seen, I'm very much on the Flavor/Mala side here and yet wouldn't for a moment claim to be 100% the likes of you/HEM/NK15 will definitely come back mafia.

Kitty had a great read on me last game, I think it’s just pride carrying over..

I'm pushing you because you are basically active lurking.

[KittyTacky]

I fucking can't

my lim right now is totally fuckign bullshit.

all its gonna do is give you legit to no info.

do me a favor after I flip look at how my wagon started and who jumped on because I'm sure there is scum bandwagoning the crap out of this

But it would give us info. There are players hard defending you in spite of your massive lurking. If you're scum then they're also pretty scummy.

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry if you're town but it's not a cardinal sin to push: a lurker; a player whose posts are mostly random complaints; and someone defending the lurker while also not doing much else. Not voting the latter but only because of the PR claim.

[KittyTacky]

I fucking can't

my lim right now is totally fuckign bullshit.

all its gonna do is give you legit to no info.

do me a favor after I flip look at how my wagon started and who jumped on because I'm sure there is scum bandwagoning the crap out of this

But it would give us info. There are players hard defending you in spite of your massive lurking. If you're scum then they're also pretty scummy.

You mean just FL?

Him and I played a lot together. So yes, the whiteknight is bad, but a lot of people know each other on the site and have played with each other outside of this game.

I'm prob one of the more experienced players that are DEADLY to scum if I'm town after D2.

& I'm not lurking, but keep going. i would be lurking if I wasn't posting here, but posting elsewhere & that's not true.

And JV.

You are lurking because... what have you contributed to the game?

@MathBlade
That would excuse her if she didn't slip D1 and then lurk.

I will vote between Mala, Scorpious, and JV. Not going anywhere else.

[KittyTacky]

Self-consciousness isn't a scumtell IMHO.

I don't know how koopa "reads from the hip" on pages 1-2 and expects to be accurate in any way.

It's not, but apparently people think it's cool in order to use it as a scum tell, nor is being aggressive or defensive

but then when you go "its a rl thing"

thats frowned upon too

so lets move the topic along

if we dont want to move this topic along then just lim me now and get it over with

It's not really a

slip

upon a re-read but I just really hate this reaction. Asking to die is a scumtell.

I'm willing to give Mala a chance if she actually starts contributing but it really felt like scum giving up even if subconsciously.

[KittyTacky]

Something about Mala's reaction seems genuine. I'll sleep on it. Good night.

UNVOTE: for now. Scorpious and JV still kinda scummy.

[KittyTacky]

One last thing, Andres doesn't lurk as either alignment, he is either busy or forgot about this game, probably.

VOTE: Scorpious

Night for real.

[KittyTacky]

Something about Mala's reaction seems genuine. I'll sleep on it. Good night.

UNVOTE: for now. Scorpious and JV still kinda scummy.

I feel like the sudden switch to town!mala is forced

Nah, Mala is null at most, I don't townread her. Still think she might be scum, and more likely than FL or NK. But that reaction is townie even if it could be faked.

[KittyTacky]

I’ll vote Koopa over Mala all day…

Stuff like this is why I'm continuing to sus both you and Mala.

[KittyTacky]

One last thing, Andres doesn't lurk as either alignment, he is either busy or forgot about this game, probably.

VOTE: Scorpious

Night for real.

Absolutely false about Andres… he disappears a lot, I’m not saying he’s lurking but days with no Andres are common..

Not really my experience with him though I played just 2 or 3 games so far. Maybe I forgot.

[KittyTacky]

*2 or 3 games with Andres, not in total lmao

[KittyTacky]

Scorpious why are you much more pleasant in this game than the other one where you were town? Like I am charmed by you, and it's different.

Because he's not town this time around.

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry I blew up.

I think I'm just frustrated in general at this thread & I was hungry and then the combo just set me off.

I apologize to whom whoever I insulted

It's fine, it's a stressful game.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Kitty

Yeah, I'm fine with Kitty.

Hell did I do wrong? Pushed someone who just lurked until recently? What have I done that is scummy? Not feeling this flash wagon.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: nk15

NK is a compromise. Honestly unsure about them at this point in the game, they're neutral. But if the alternative is no lim or me, then sure.

[KittyTacky]

Scorpious is scum for pushing a claimed incestigative PR.

[KittyTacky]

*investigative
*investigative
*investigative
*investigative
omg

[KittyTacky]

There is no reasonable explanation why FL moved up hem in his reads - HEM has added nothing different. However roden is stuck on the bottom somehow.

ugh, if you werent so egocentric i wouldnt care that you're so newbie with statements like this.

FL, how much do you think has the gamestate been manipulated by scum today?

Scum have manipulated the game in the sense they're likely trying to make sure Koopa/Myself keep going at each other and end up pushing town.

So I dont think they're in the forefront.

Kitty I think is the scum that is on the outlier of doing this. She was laying light town reads on me, but always pushing areas that arent going to effect gamestate.

This makes me believe Kitty is scum trying to just let the other scums manipulate while she stays in the background. The fact she chose to lean town me means there is a scum who was pushing me, scum reading me.

I have stated I do not think that was you.

I have gone in major depth for my HEM read and why I think they are more likely to be coming from town.

Leaves Roden and Koopa.

Koopa I think is emotional town, HOWEVER, there is chance they are just solid scum here, and they turned once I started pushing Roden more, and they switched their vote onto HEM in a way to possibly get me to move from Roden to HEM.


Notice how Koopa also is pushing NK15 and HEM, the EXACT 2 PEOPLE I WAS PUSHING EARLIER AND THEY WERE DEFENDING AGAINST.

This entire game Koopa has been flipping and defending anyone I push aimlessly, even after the flips.


Yet who did they not push ever, Roden.


And why?

Does anyone else in this game truly think that Roden is so unbelievably townie and couldnt be coming from a scum perspective here?


So Roden/Kitty/maybe Koopa possibility.


If Koopa is as good as he says he is, why are people giving him the obv town treatment here.

HEM started casing Koopa, and then Koopa began pushing HEM.



I think there is validity in Koopa Scum, but for obvious reasons, someone else is gonna have to push it, not me.

1. I am not a "she". I am male.
2. Not going to effect gamestate? Not going to effect gamestate? I led the second Mala push and the JV push, how tf wouldn't that effect gamestate...

[KittyTacky]

If none of my scumreads are happening today I'm fine with 2 of my nulls: NK15 and HEM.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty - has shown a progression I believe difficult to do as wolf. I will do a more deep analysis however later - however I have had paranoia on this slot multiple times and reISOed it and felt them as town every time.

I agree with that they feel townie by tone. Do you know their scum game at all? Do they have a townie tone as scum? Think you could find one of their scum games?

What progression are you referring to?

For the scumgame where I didn't accidentally self-destruct day 1, see Sibyl's Elegy. Good game, pulled off a pretty bullshit claim and they believed me.

Kitty - FL is no longer in the game, they replaced out. Can you look at my recent posts and look at what i found for me? regarding the roden read discrepancy?

Sure once I catch up to there.

[KittyTacky]

Roden read was maintained through my various flips on your alignment.
I'd still bin Roden for d1. Better to save a player from a mislim as the other side of it, where we can have a wolf player who has to spew another day.
Consider this: you are going to be alive tomorrow to push wolf roden. I am defensing him. You will have a higher likliehood of pushing roden through day 2 if you can't find them town still.

This? Yeah I have the same read. I just don't feel Roden is particularly scummy and I'd basically only consider them day 2+.

[KittyTacky]

Also nobody commented on my neural network snowman avatar instead of my usual kpop. Sad

I thought it was a hat.

[KittyTacky]

hello friends
gonna start catching up shortly

Hi Gamma, welcome to the most drawn-out D1 I have ever seen in a mini.

[KittyTacky]

The extra Ys in my early posts were nya-speak and I dropped it because nobody ever commented on it.

Glad that there's literally anyone else pushing Scorp.

[KittyTacky]

Like Italiano has a lot of shade thrown at Mala, *however*, he is pushing elsewhere instead, rather than pursuing a read that in words is their strongest wolfread, when you look at the things Italiano has said.

Also this world I feel that Salad slot also fits in as the 3rd wolf - in which case I need to wait for Salad to post here to see how they act.

Now that you mentyion it, yeah I agree and I'm willing to sheep this.
VOTE: ItalianoVD

Mala and Italiano are both scummy to me right meow.

neither of these are very good takes imo

It all made sense at the time.

[KittyTacky]

Not even going to lie, I think if koopa wasn't a PR claimant I'd think they would be paired with either Kitty or NK as they keep attempting to switch to another wagon immediately after saying they'd settle down on a vote. Like not like gradual, wait I do think this is better type of movement. They throw up a case, it gets debunks and they settle back down.

Am I supposed to keep pushing someone who towntold?

[KittyTacky]

Can someone tell me where to vote for now? I’m so far behind and I’m going to need to invest some time into actually reading. I trust Kitty’s accuracy somewhat so if they’re Town here, I’ll give them my vote.

For what it's worth I don't particularly trust Kitty at the moment, think there have been subtle potential mafia hints in their play. At the moment it seems likely to be one of NK15/HEM judging by the way it's going barring some major swings. How much are you aware of so far? Guessing you've perhaps been busy but surprised at how quiet you have been.

Name those mafia hints.

[KittyTacky]

Can we just lim Koopa?

We’re on page 92..

This game would be just as good with about half the posting. Almost 500 already is excessive… im becoming more tolerant of hyper posters but I feel like a replacement right now.

Pedit— here we go again

Dayvig: Scorpious

[KittyTacky]

He doesn't try to solve, all his recent posts are complaining about Koopa.

[KittyTacky]

I admit I am not the most active but I at least push people who I think are scum.

[KittyTacky]

106 pages day 1 in a mini is far too much in either case.

[KittyTacky]

This game is slow-motion Town Of Salem.

[KittyTacky]

Welp, my parents decided to go apeshit at a simple question despite that being the behavior they’ve been TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FROM ME, so I don’t think I’m in the mood to play here for a bit.

GE we want you to know that we enjoy you around here, even if you're scum

Same. You're a good person and a good player.

He doesn't try to solve, all his recent posts are complaining about Koopa.

I believe this is called “misrepping”, and it’s a most gratuitous attempt at it.

I was def annoyed about how much posting was going on.

You- right after quoting my annoyance and used it as a push - say there is too much content?

Like, how am I, or anyone supposed to take that seriously?

If you really think I am scum because all I’m doing is complaining, you are either skimming, which in this game I would totally understand, or just shading to justify a weak af vote.

Okay, how did you help solve this game? Your complaining does not help solve this game in any way. And much of this game's content is shitfights that I think many are likely TvT (like FL/Gamma vs koopa). I want day 1 to end so we have something concrete to go on regarding associative tells.

[KittyTacky]

you too KittyTacky

The AtE pinged me as town. It wasn't a "caught desperate scum" AtE and more of a "frustrated townie" AtE.

[KittyTacky]

Still conceivable that Mala could be scum.

[KittyTacky]

Did I mention I am also 1-shot Bulletproof :p

I was actually considering claiming that so I dodge the nightkill - but I realized that people might mistake that as a traitor claim so I went against it

I knew it!

[KittyTacky]

JacksonVirgo
MathBlade
MalcolmTucker
Gamma Emerald
Malakittens
Roden
Scorpious
KittyTacky
ItalianoVD
Andresvmb
Not Known 15

current vibes

Well, there we go.
I am a town pr btw. An investigative one, no less.

What is this claim fest...

[KittyTacky]

how can anyone look at Mala's dayplay and say this is town

Yeah my read on her is eroding again.

[KittyTacky]

I just can't look at someone who pushed a claimed investigative day 1 and say "yeah this is town". Absurd.

[KittyTacky]

I just can't look at someone who pushed a claimed investigative day 1 and say "yeah this is town". Absurd.

Assuming this is to me.

Every time you post I think scum more and more.

Can you please read my stuff instead of these weak one line generic quips.

I read your posts, I'm not blind, you hard pushed koopa after their claim. Doesn't make sense from a town POV.

[KittyTacky]

You pushed A CLAIMED INVESTIGATIVE POWER ROLE DAY 1.

Let's all wagon Scorp.

[KittyTacky]

Said push didn't help to solve the game at all. I said you were not solving, not that you were not pushing. And you accused me of misrepping? Ok scum.

[KittyTacky]

moves JacksonVirgoon down to "Strong Scum"

You already had me there, you aren't fooling anyone.

You were a scumlean when I made my list. It's deffo you and Mala.

But no push on either? Just me? Hmmm..

I never said it couldn't be you, and I'm pretty sure I was also pushing you at the time.

[KittyTacky]

I just can't look at someone who pushed a claimed investigative day 1 and say "yeah this is town". Absurd.

And I’m just supposed say.. “garsh. You claimed town. No way you can be lying about that.. nobody ever lies in mafia..

Are you done here?

I am

Common procedure is to let the investigative claim live a day because if they get limmed, wow you hanged a crucial role.

[KittyTacky]

You're scum flailing.

[KittyTacky]

See. This is why I hate lists.. gives opportunity for scum to rip things apart..

See. This is why I hate lists.. gives opportunity for town to rip my fabricated reads apart and catch me as scum..

Gamma is town just as FL was BTW.

[KittyTacky]

I claimed VT

Is anyone reading my posts or just riding this horrible wagon.

A VT claim won't save you.

[KittyTacky]

You're just waving your VT claim around like it proves anything except you not being a town PR.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah that Scorpious elimination was not great. Some of their posts were off but mafia generally try to avoid looking obvious by voting for someone who's claimed a role.

Give me a townie reason to vote a claimed PR who was active and trying to solve while telling them to shut up instead of literally anyone else. Koopa was so transparently townie despite being annoying.

I'm sorry Scorp but town just doesn't do that.

fr?
I was gonna vote Kitty coming in probably, I feel like he kinda rode coattails a bit yday? He beat on Scorpious for pushing a claimed PR, which made me think Kitty claimed PR, but just generally I feel like kitty’s play has been scummy

Riding coattails? I led 3 pushes. Christ.

I think I should claim yeah? I’m Vigilante and I targeted koopashell because I thought they were full of shit. There, I said it. You geniuses.

Seems legit.
VOTE: Andres

[KittyTacky]

Can someone tell me where to vote for now? I’m so far behind and I’m going to need to invest some time into actually reading. I trust Kitty’s accuracy somewhat so if they’re Town here, I’ll give them my vote.

The only read Andres had was Kitty town in his ISO. I think Kitty has some explaining to do.

He had me as town because he's scum, knew I am town, and didn't want to push me just yet.

[KittyTacky]

The Scorpius wagon was weird. I felt like there were a lot more requested picks for elimination (HEM, NK15, Kitty, myself), and the momentum was there to vote out any of instead.

I don't like HEM's hammer but I dislike Math's vote even more. It was an opportunistic middle-of-the-wagon vote that tried to poke at Scorpius in a way to get him to overreact while also setting him up to be the leading wagon. It just comes off very tactical instead of solvey.

I had 3 main scumreads. Mala I was starting to doubt. JV claimed PR. Scorpius kept making a stink about koopa so I pushed him.

[KittyTacky]

Is Andre/Kitty/HEM a possible mafia team here?

No because my role PM is green.

[KittyTacky]

Also I think this kill confirms that scum don't have a Roleblocker.

It would've been easy to get Koopa mis-elim'd by just blocking them every night and letting them cause chaos with their day play.

Though maybe they didn't think Koopa was actually all that chaotic, potentially because their reads were actually accurate or someone on the scum team got spooked once they revealed they were Koba all along.

This legit sounds like a post in the scumchat. Also, why block a pr when you can just kill it, hence why koopa is dead.

And yeah I’m doing this.

VOTE: Nk15

Sussy baka.

VOTE: Andresvmb

Guilty!

Like why is this being just blindly trusted?

VOTE: NK15

1 for 1.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: HEM

GS Guilty

The third scum is between Italiano and Mala. I think.

[KittyTacky]

lying scum
lying scum
lying scum
lying scum
lying scum
lying scum

flailing scum
flailing scum
flailing scum
flailing scum
flailing scum
flailing scum

1 for 1
1 for 1
1 for 1
1 for 1
1 for 1
1 for 1

[KittyTacky]

I'm backup vigilante, this indeed was a gambit (as I appreciate HEM's brain when they're Town and didn't want to miselim), considering there has been no vigilante kills I am certain I am just a false guilty. When I softed, I threw some reverse tags (with reversed text) in a few posts to claim my role, seperate so they'd have to search through it and also realise it's a soft if they've seen it but once I call it out it's super easily understood.

Spoiler: Claiming I am a backup

pu kcaB there. Just because I won't be voting there makes me mega sus if they flip red? Lmfao

Spoiler: Claiming I am a Vigilante

as a traitor

you crumbed so maybe not

OK. Since I want you all to stop talking about my slot like this because I'm blatant town - I'm a gunsmith.

That is why: I believe traitors are possible.

That is why: I think there are no masons in this setup

Okay, not what I thought you were honestly. Thought you were a etnaligiV, which was mainly why I wanted to put you into heat so you're not shot, didn't think you were actually scum :p

I have a few questions for you however:
1. Why do you think a Gunsmith game lands into a Traitor game? That's a large stretch if I've ever seen one.
2. Are you taking the assumption of no masons into consideration because of your traitor conclusion? Or is it tied with your claimed role?

Spoiler: Claiming I am a false-guilty

I think you assuming that just because you are a gunsmith means that a traitor is more likely. Because it is not, what's more likely is it's used as a cop that can RP nwot a ytliug-eslaf role or a Mafia doctor exists, or have it purely as a way to not have super obvious checks similar to how Cop would in a normal. I do not see how you've come to the conclusion of no traitors existing.

I didn't want HEM dead if they were Town, and figured if they were Town they'd use their brain enough to notice that it's -ev for scum!me to do this and notice it's a gambit. Scum would not have any information and would have to assume it's the truth, which is what HEM has done. Is this a certainty? Definitely not, but it's definitely not a clear like I hoped it would be. Although I would like someone to read into whether this is scum flailing or genuine townie frustration when this happened. As I personally would expect something specific that didn't happen (I will keep this in my brain for now to avoid external bias).

I believe the elim would have swung to HEM anyway and if this did not solve, at least it's extra content to read them on.

Doesn't matter too much, the PoE is small. Worth a shot. Also I found it funny to mimic what happened D2 with the tracker guilty in the first post aha

(I also asked nobody to hammer as I was going to retract prior to a hammer).

Oh wait nevermind.

[KittyTacky]

I still don't like HEM's reaction.

[KittyTacky]

But I'll refrain from voting HEM for now until the monkey comes back.

[KittyTacky]

Oh I voted NK15 thinking he was pulling a scum gambit on his partner? A vote I rescinded and a point I clarified with someone who is used to playing with scum!NK? That?

It's a weird order of events.

NK15: "I have a guilty on Andres" *votes Andres*
Italiano: "Roden scum slipped" *votes NK15*
Andres: "I'm town" *votes NK15*

It doesn't even make sense to vote NK15 here first. You only considered two worlds here: it was either a scum gambit and they were both scum, or Andres was just caught and NK15 was town. Andres is scum in both worlds, so why did you vote NK15? If you thought he could've been bussing, why not just...let him bus?

And sure if you wanna frame it like I was ‘defending’ the slot you can. My actual point was, it was a waste of a vote because there was a high chance nothing would come of it. Nice shade by the way.

I’d still like to go for Roden and/or Kitty once we figure out what’s going on with HEM.

I'm not framing anything. You blatantly defended flipped scum after they got hit with a guilty. You didn't say anything about your suspicions of a scum gambit until later on, you just shaded me then voted NK15 without addressing the guilty, or really even accusing NK15 of anything.

Feel free to scum case me though. I've been waiting for one, but all you've done all game is call me scum and complain that everyone is bad if they don't vote me.

Yeah that renewed my scumread on Italiano.

[KittyTacky]

Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

[KittyTacky]

I felt Math’s 2929 helped me along. I didn’t feel alone in my big brain thinking lol. I would do it again if I had to do it again.

Anyway in the mean time, anyone up for a Kitty wagon.

VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[KittyTacky]

Could be distancing theatre.

[KittyTacky]

Well I'm hammering either of them (HEM only after the monkey's catchup though).

[KittyTacky]

The last two scum are almost certainly within {Mala, IVD, HEM} IMO.

[KittyTacky]

Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

I hope so too. I only asked where she was and did not suggest a turbo push. This is sus.

I know you didn't suggest it, but I turbo pushed her for lurking before. What is this shade throw...

[KittyTacky]

VC 1.32

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Scorpious [6]:

KittyTacky [1791], Gamma Emerald [2198], Andresvmb [2233], MathBlade [2721], JacksonVirgo [2738], Not Known 15 [2745] ---

E-1

KittyTacky [2]:

ItalianoVD [1867], Scorpious [2768]

Malakittens [2]:

humaneatingmonkey [792], Malakittens [2598]

Andresvmb [1]:

koopashell [2583]

humaneatingmonkey [1]:

MalcolmTucker [2657]

Not voting [1]:

Roden [2123]

Gonna do a bit of work in general looking at the Scorpious wagon and how it built up.

Re the possibility of Kitty mafia, interesting that we have Kitty as the first vote on Scorpious, and then Andre as the third. If Kitty is mafia, perfectly possible they suggested to Andre to put a vote on there since they'd been on Scorpious for a while and the wagon would then have some proper firm momentum as a result.

Alternatively, if mafia directed the Scorpious elimination, Math as the fourth vote is potentially interesting...could argue that was what very much tipped it into being the prime elimination at a point when we were still uncertain who was going out.

Scorp was a fallback wagon I pushed for pushing a claimed investigative day 1, which I thought no townie would do.

[KittyTacky]

One last thing, Andres doesn't lurk as either alignment, he is either busy or forgot about this game, probably.

VOTE: Scorpious

Night for real.

Given possibility of Kitty being mafia (and with this being the post that started the Scorpious wagon) is there a chance this is Kitty defending a mafia teammate here? Not sure if Andres genuinely was lurking due to being busy but without NK15's check we'd have been limited for info either way. Feel like this could very much be a soft attempt to stop any possible bandwagon from forming on Andres.

I don't push people who have just replaced in and have yet to post anything as a rule because they might be busy or catching up. And after Andres lurked beyond any reason I was already locked in on other people. He slipped under my radar.

[KittyTacky]

The more I read back Kitty's play the more I think they're mafia. They continually stated again and again Scorpious made sense because they'd pushed a role claimed player but refused to consider that this was a pretty illogical move for mafia to make that would only put them under more suspicion, and that it was potentially more likely to end up coming from townie not thinking things through properly.

1. You have failed to provide any town reasons to sit on a claimed PR day 1.
2. I had considered me might be not thinking things through, but not only town can make mistakes.

"This play is too scummy to be scum" is strange.

[KittyTacky]

*he not me

[KittyTacky]

It's a terrible scum play but it's an EVEN WORSE town play. It's not townie.

I think it's fair enough that you didn't push Andres - some of us got frustrated at Koopa for trying similar gambits because we weren't ultimately going to get anywhere by pressuring a slot that wasn't engaging.

I just think it's interesting and somewhat convenient that you explicitly jumped in to assure people that Andres lurking wasn't something that indicated mafia play in the same vote that down the line started off the Scorpious wagon which eventually formed. If you were strong town I'd think nothing of it, but it's interesting given your limited engagement with the slot in general for me.

Hard to engage with someone who lurks. I just didn't see him as a priority.

[KittyTacky]

The more I read back Kitty's play the more I think they're mafia. They continually stated again and again Scorpious made sense because they'd pushed a role claimed player but refused to consider that this was a pretty illogical move for mafia to make that would only put them under more suspicion, and that it was potentially more likely to end up coming from townie not thinking things through properly.

1. You have failed to provide any town reasons to sit on a claimed PR day 1.

2. I had considered me might be not thinking things through, but not only town can make mistakes.

"This play is too scummy to be scum" is strange.

This is kind of precisely my point though. It's not good play. It wasn't helping us advance the game. Koopa wasn't going to go out. But townies do things that aren't good play sometimes. It doesn't make them mafia.

"Too scummy to be scum" obviously isn't always true but it sometimes is...and literally was in this case. Ultimately the goal for scum is to stay hidden and blend in. Illogical pushes on a claimed role player is the opposite of blending in. Scorpious didn't even seem to be aware for ages Koopa had claimed, which would've been beyond careless as mafia.

Your belief Scorpious alone was mafia isn't my issue here though - I disagreed at the time but I was also fundamentally wrong on NK15. It's more the fact you appear to have suspected JV for very similar reasons at times considering they sat on Koopa too. But two mafia players sitting on the same role claimed player would've been really careless again, and was thus unlikely.

Even your push on Mala feels similar. There were some holes in Mala's early play. Mafia can exploit this for a read that seems genuine even though they know it isn't.

1. Okay but that doesn't make them town! How would have I known?
2. Scum can make mistakes too, and also refuge in audacity is a thing.
3. I was thinking they were trying to start a wagon. Stupid play but I didn't think TWO TOWNIES would do that.
4. So I'm scummy for pushing a scummy player? kk

What even is your point? That finding scummy holes in someone's play is scummy? Scorp chose to wear the costume of guilt.

It's terrible town play but you are ignoring the fact that it was actual town play in the end. Townies do daft things sometimes. Not everything that looks scummy is inherently scummy because as I say mafia want to blend in and avoid getting caught.

I felt it was more likely to be terrible mafia play than terrible town play.

Fundamentally, Kitty, what I suppose I'm asking here is...do you acknowledge a good mafia player could've used the contradictions in Scorpious' play, including the illogical push on Koopa after they claimed, to appear like a vigilant townie making a sensible elimination while knowing themselves Scorpious was not mafia? If so, it's somewhat likely mafia was on the bandwagon beyond Andres.

You seem to be taking issue with the fact Scorpious' town play was terrible but you're sort of missing the point I'm making here...ultimately we know Scorpious was town now, and as a result we know this is something mafia likely exploited when the opportunity was there to do so.

Also - what do you think of Math?

1. Sure. I acknowledge it. But so could a townie, trying to hunt during a day that was clearly going nowhere.
2. Mafia probably jumped on the wagon but a townie started it, for town reasons.
3. Math is solidly town IMO.

Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

I hope so too. I only asked where she was and did not suggest a turbo push. This is sus.

I know you didn't suggest it, but I turbo pushed her for lurking before. What is this shade throw...

And how am I supposed to know that? I don’t remember playing with you. How exactly is this shade?

I said it was suspicious you implied I was going to push her for only asking where she was?

VOTE: Unvote

I pushed her for it in this same game. And I didn't imply you were going to push her. You misunderstood me. English is not my first language.

[KittyTacky]

Re your points in 3220 Kitty - I get that Scorpious/Jackson going for Koopa may have seemed weird but it'd have so illogical and baffling for two mafia to both go on the same role-claimed player bandwagon. It was clearly never going to pick up and I'm struggling to believe you wouldn't have been able to see that at all.

My general point is here that you pushed Scorpious in particular without ever considering whether their play was too illogical or lazy for a clever mafia player trying to get of trouble. If Scorpious is mafia then fine, but the fact they were town clearly indicates you here to an extent - I ultimately don't know your alignment and to me it looks like you strongly pushed two townies because you spotted some holes in their play and saw it as a convenient thing to do.

I also think it's quite possible you/Math could be a team if HEM doesn't come back as mafia. You're defending Math and Math is very hedgy on you in 3222 as well.

I wouldn't have thought town would have made that play either, which is what I was trying to tell you. You can't blame me for pushing someone for being outrageously scummy.

Again, mafia can make mistakes too. Yes I spotted some holes and pushed them but that's because I thought they were scum at the time.

I know I am sus if Math is scum, but I am happy locktowning Math RN.

[KittyTacky]

I get that Scorpious/Jackson going for Koopa may have seemed weird but it'd have so illogical and baffling for two mafia to both go on the same role-claimed player bandwagon.

To clarify, I did that to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.

Smart. I liked koopa's playstyle though. It's part of why I thought Scorp was scum, he seemed scared of such an active player.

[KittyTacky]

i found out my dad's mom's brother passed away this morning.
i found myself thinking about old times

so not really in the mood 2night

My condolences.

[KittyTacky]

Re your points in 3220 Kitty - I get that Scorpious/Jackson going for Koopa may have seemed weird but it'd have so illogical and baffling for two mafia to both go on the same role-claimed player bandwagon. It was clearly never going to pick up and I'm struggling to believe you wouldn't have been able to see that at all.

My general point is here that you pushed Scorpious in particular without ever considering whether their play was too illogical or lazy for a clever mafia player trying to get of trouble. If Scorpious is mafia then fine, but the fact they were town clearly indicates you here to an extent - I ultimately don't know your alignment and to me it looks like you strongly pushed two townies because you spotted some holes in their play and saw it as a convenient thing to do.

I also think it's quite possible you/Math could be a team if HEM doesn't come back as mafia. You're defending Math and Math is very hedgy on you in 3222 as well.

I wouldn't have thought town would have made that play either, which is what I was trying to tell you. You can't blame me for pushing someone for being outrageously scummy.

Again, mafia can make mistakes too. Yes I spotted some holes and pushed them but that's because I thought they were scum at the time.

I know I am sus if Math is scum, but I am happy locktowning Math RN.

Ewwww why? Don’t get me wrong I am town but why am I locktown?

I really like your play so far. Everything makes sense to me from a town motivation and you never did anything seriously scummy. Following koopa's death, you are my strongest townread.

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry Italiano but you shouldn't have pushed NK15 after the claim. That's just sus amogus.

Well I still think there's at least one scum between HEM and Mala.

[KittyTacky]

based on?

I got bad vibes from your earlier play and also I didn't like your reaction to JV's push. Not much to go off of but I don't scumread many people.

I'm sorry Italiano but you shouldn't have pushed NK15 after the claim. That's just sus amogus.

Well I still think there's at least one scum between HEM and Mala.

Once again I outlined during D3 why a vote on Italiano didn't make sense. You continue to take the lowest hanging fruit and use that to justify your vote but this is the second time it's seen you eliminate a townie. I think you're obvious mafia at this point.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Your reasoning made no sense. He was scummy, people agreed he was scummy, just because he was town doesn't make me mafia, because town is uninformed. I am not to blame for other townies' poor play getting them hanged.

[KittyTacky]

He didn't sit on Scorpious? Mafia doesn't have to be on every townie wagon precisely due to that line of thinking.

Quote a single towntell from Scorp or JV.

[KittyTacky]

I'm neutral on Malcolm, I'm not sure about the JK claim, there's a good amount of town power already flipped. I entertain the idea that he is simply wrong town.

[KittyTacky]

He is in my lim pool but I am not jumping the gun with my vote so early into the day.

[KittyTacky]

For me the team is now Kitty-HEM, with Math potentially as backup choice but I may have been reaching there on D3 with my reads. HEM was essentially able to ride out that turn but basically just came back without reading the game again to eliminate another townie.

show us your results

I tried Kitty D1 and D2 but nothing. In retrospect I imagine someone else perhaps took on the kill, I'd just reckoned at the time Kitty may have been more likely to carry it out than someone like yourself for example.

I tried Math D3 out of interest but nothing there either. Should have probably gone for you in retrospect but ah well, happy with eliminating either you or Kitty this turn at the moment unless I can somehow be convinced of an alternative wagon on someone who's received less attention.

Yeah this is incredibly suspicious.

I don’t see why you wouldn’t have waited or pushed for any remaining PRs to claim and use it like a check of sorts.

Let’s say you’re town here

Then you intentionally simple cop checked Kitty N1 (will have to see if that makes sense based on reads). There’s no way you believed Kitty was the target so you’d have to believe Kitty was the person doing the killing. So Kitty either A> Didnt do the kill or B > Is a PR

There was a death N1 and Andres flipped goon which would have been caught by your simple JK.

Why on N2 would you pick the same target again?

Actually this is a good case against Malcolm. The push on me makes sense from a scum perspective too, easy to spin a mistaken townie as an opportunisting scummy pushing mislims. To prevent accidental hammers, I will only vote after I finish my catchup.

[KittyTacky]

Malmcolm's case on me is basically "Kitty pushed townies" but those townies looked pretty damn scummy at the time. I said enough about Scorp, but how would I know that someone pushing the guy with the guilty result on outed scum was actually a townie?

[KittyTacky]

Me + JV would have possibly been a shit fight for pages. I don’t think scum kill a backup vigilante here especially if Roden’s theory of a rolecop is true.

I can’t wrap my head around Malcolm possibly being town here.

Again this feels very much like overthinking, scum probably killed Jackson because Jackson has a role, it's likely that simple.

There is almost certainly no vig, backup vigilante is basically just a gunsmith miller. Surely it would be better to kill someone who hasn't claimed?

[KittyTacky]

Just because someone claimed a role doesn't mean they are a worthy kill.

[KittyTacky]

Also, the argument I've been deep wolfing by TR'ing eliminated townies such as Scorpious and Italiano also doesn't work for a couple more reasons.

My stances were consistent on both players. I expressed some suspicion on Italiano but then very much TR'd them after an ISO check. It's not like I had to do a major reversal of my previous stance. Same for Scorpious: I quizzed them on contradictions in their posts but identified that their playstyle was fundamentally town.

It's not as if either of the two were preordained eliminations either. I've suspected HEM and Kitty who have also been prime suspects. I have voted for both at various points. I've also expressed suspicion in Math. Some of them are necessarily town irrespective of my alignment. Roden's argument I am deep wolfing is predicated on the idea I have been incredibly, incredibly lucky (or unlucky, I guess) with my town townreads constantly being eliminated at the expense of townies I've suspected.

And to add to that - we know Andre was scum and that Andre was incredibly inactive. One scum can sit back and play a deep wolf/town style to a greater degree but I'm not sure this is recommended when one player is inactive - at some point scum ideally need to assert some control of the game.

You didn't defend either Scorp or Italiano super hard. You were just... there. Standing offwagon. But didn't really convince anyone. Conceivable that scum could do this for towncred.

[KittyTacky]

I now wonder how much of this game is just the town cannibalizing each other meanwhile scum just ride out the waves trying to stoke that fire.

Yeah same, town self-destructed with that day 1 mass claim.

[KittyTacky]

But this - again - ignores the point that'd been made that scum wouldn't want to sit on role claimed players without a solid case against said claim. Their logic was again the exact same here despite the fact I'd pointed out this was in my opinion more likely to come from lazy/uninformed town than scum.

You seem to assume that scum would play flawlessly and perfectly logically. Why?! That's a huge assumption to make.

[KittyTacky]

if it's true then Kitty and Math could be both scum PR and your clears on them would be entirely useless

Funny if my gut read on them possibly being teammates is correct here and I've forgotten my role wouldn't allow me to find that out.

Yes we are teammates. Town is a team.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Unvote

My mood is all y’all can die. I am the serial killer (joke)

And I'm the jester.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

[KittyTacky]

Just because someone claimed a role doesn't mean they are a worthy kill.

God if I get eliminated this is going to look so scummy, especially since Kitty had been reluctant to put their vote on me initially so they could see which way the winds blew.

I was hesitating to vote you because I genuinely thought you were wrong town.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty all game has been voting for anyone who does anything remotely anti-town, yet is now boasting about voting for someone who is going to come back as a PR. Amazing how it's suddenly fine for them to doubt PR claims when it suits them.

I don't think your claim fits the game so far. It just feels off. Particularly given your actions.

[KittyTacky]

But this - again - ignores the point that'd been made that scum wouldn't want to sit on role claimed players without a solid case against said claim. Their logic was again the exact same here despite the fact I'd pointed out this was in my opinion more likely to come from lazy/uninformed town than scum.

You seem to assume that scum would play flawlessly and perfectly logically. Why?! That's a huge assumption to make.

They don't play perfectly, but they also don't just casually reveal themselves and consistently doing nothing but voting for play that seems anti-town is not always a good idea. I have explained this so many times now...you voted and justified your vote on Italiano for identical reasons to your vote on Scorpious but it was wrong.

By that logic, townies wouldn't sit on a PR either because that is what got both of them killed. Both sides can play extremely stupidly. And pushing me for VOTING PEOPLE FOR ANTI-TOWN PLAY is ridiculous.

Scumhunting is apparently scummy if you end up being wrong, even if the mislimmed townies' poor play is what made them look like scum in the first place. And now you're latched onto me like a bulldog for making honest mistakes. Smells like scum opportunism.

[KittyTacky]

Responses in bold.

Kitty in 1085 says it "doesn't feel right" that Roden could end up being mafia but doesn't elaborate much further than this. Note that for most of the game Kitty has employed a more evidence-based style where they used gameplay to case and help eliminate Scorpious and Italiano - things that seemed anti-townie had to come from scum so were worth a vote. But here Roden is worthy of a cautious town gut-read. If Kitty is scum, they don't go in too hard on this though because Flavor was keen on Roden at the time for a possible elimination.

I townread by gut, but I scumread by evidence. Usually. I don't have to stick to one style.

In 985 before this Roden showed up to argue against a Kitty wagon by trying to direct players back onto the Mala wagon which had never really worked out all that well. Note Roden doesn't argue against the wagon itself and doesn't inherently say it's bad - they just find a reason to deflect away from it.

In 1165 Kitty makes a readslist which places Kitty in their null/neutral category despite previouslt saying they were unlikely to be mafia. Why is Roden null here? Kitty has clearly expressed a preference. Andre is, of course, also null, but this feels quite NAI given their inactivity. Notably, as I've mentioned before, Kitty's three scumreads here are all now confirmed town and were all suspected by Kitty for the same, identical and flawed reasoning to try and appear more townie.

I was hesitating about Roden then, and my three scumreads were because all three did dumb shit. I switched on JV once he claimed.

By 2192 Kitty again says Roden is not "particularly scummy" - another hedgy read that's hardly a ringing endorsement but very much leaves scope for either a proper defence or bus if needed.

See above. You're tunneled on me.

Note that in 3395 Kitty was "neutral" on me despite the eventual vote then later coming in. Roden voted for me at the start of D3 but then took away their vote for a bit. This indicates to me they were both hedging their bets a bit here in case the town either completely believed my case, or if they were wary they'd look too eager by immediately voting for me given they know I am town.

You were very hard to read for me for most of day 1.

[KittyTacky]

Roden prob town. At least one scum between Mala and Malcolm. HEM not that scummy anymore now that I look at him again.

[KittyTacky]

You've never shown any evidence you particularly hesitated on Roden, Kitty, beyond that one readslist where you have them as null. "Null" does not imply you're hesitating either - it implies you have no opinion on them at all. You clearly had thoughts on Roden, albeit very limited ones which would be consistent with scum partners.

I was hesitating because I didn't hard defend them, the middle category was null/NEUTRAL, and again you are tunneled on me. Scummmmmm.

[KittyTacky]

But this - again - ignores the point that'd been made that scum wouldn't want to sit on role claimed players without a solid case against said claim. Their logic was again the exact same here despite the fact I'd pointed out this was in my opinion more likely to come from lazy/uninformed town than scum.

You seem to assume that scum would play flawlessly and perfectly logically. Why?! That's a huge assumption to make.

They don't play perfectly, but they also don't just casually reveal themselves and consistently doing nothing but voting for play that seems anti-town is not always a good idea. I have explained this so many times now...you voted and justified your vote on Italiano for identical reasons to your vote on Scorpious but it was wrong.

By that logic, townies wouldn't sit on a PR either because that is what got both of them killed. Both sides can play extremely stupidly. And pushing me for VOTING PEOPLE FOR ANTI-TOWN PLAY is ridiculous.

Scumhunting is apparently scummy if you end up being wrong, even if the mislimmed townies' poor play is what made them look like scum in the first place. And now you're latched onto me like a bulldog for making honest mistakes. Smells like scum opportunism.

Once again you are continually, again and again, ignoring my point. I am not saying that scum never do stupid things. Sometimes they make themselves known to the town in ways that are wrong. My general point has been that scum generally want to blend in and ensure they are not immediately identified. That is the point - if they didn't attempt to do this the game would fundamentally be easy for town.

My issue with your play, from the POV of thinking you are mafia, is that you have continually identified occasional bad townplay and immediately used that to build an entire scum-case, because it allows you to eliminate town from the game and then build a convenient narrative where you were just town who was wrong, even though I was repeatedly pleading with you from D1 onwards to consider that scum don't always make themselves obvious and that sometimes a bit more thought is needed. If you are scum this approach is literally what you are doing now - you can't be mafia because you had seemingly legitimate reasons for voting out town. I am pointing out that this is your approach as mafia in my view - identify any immediate weaknesses in the town and use said weaknesses to push bad faith eliminations while refusing to search for more subtle mafia.

Tell me, then, how I would differentiate bad townplay from scum simply making bad plays? You're basically saying that I should have ignored obviously scummy people, because there's no way scum would be obviously scummy. Ridiculous. Just because they ended up town doesn't make me scum, because they made themselves scummy.

[KittyTacky]

The more I think about it with the wagons split today and how it’s going I think we need to know if Malcolm is town or scum. I don’t see how he is town with that claim and those actions but I am extremely scared that if we don’t elim him now I will tunnel him tomorrow. Then if Malcolm is town we lose turning today into an elo. Or we can elim Malcolm who probably flips scum and if not then we have the flexibility in elo to sort properly.

VOTE: Malcolm

Can I get a vibe check here?

Good idea. Malcolm saw that I am LHF and is trying to miseliminate me, using my wrong pushes as leverage.

[KittyTacky]

This is, again, completely and utterly missing my point. I am not saying you cannot ever push bad townplay. Clearly sometimes scumplay is just bad and easy to identify. My issue here is that you have almost exclusively only pushed bad townplay and refused to consider the idea that any of the scum may be well-hidden or concealed; because that would involve you having to fabricate a dishonest read which may expose you as scum. In isolation it was okay to push Scorpious, or Jackson, or Italiano individually. The fact you have solely suspected these players for what you judged to be bad townplay shows you aren't actually hunting for mafia, you are simply trying to identifying flaws in townplay because it makes you look more honest than you would otherwise.

It isn't missing your point, how do you know I wasn't hunting for mafia? Just because I ended up being wrong? Why would I ignore someone I felt was obvious scum and go look for hidden scum when obvious scum (at the time) is right there? You are dishonest and opportunistically pushing me because I made mistakes.

[KittyTacky]

No once again you're completely and wilfully misreading my point. I understand players make mistakes. I do not deny that. I have made mistakes, such as pushing for NK15. My point is you have exclusively pushed what you deem to be (obvious) scum despite the fact the majority of mafia games will contain a player who tries to blend in and who avoids making mistakes. Your reads have been conducted solely to appear townie so that whenever town is eliminated you can claim you are being honest. As is the case right now. You claim it was the best approach but you refused to ever consider counterarguments made as to why Scorpious/Italiano could not be scum and only backed off JV after their role claim, something you're refusing to do here because you know it could potentially put your own place in the game at stake if the tables are turned at all.

1. They were OBVIOUS scum to me. I was wrong but WHY should I look for hidden scum when someone was clearly scummy to me?
2. You are death tunneled on me for making mistakes.

[KittyTacky]

The arguments for Scorp and Italiano being town did not outweigh their scummy actions.

[KittyTacky]

My point here is that Kitty has CONTINUALLY used their incorrect reads as a shield and justification for why they must be town, which to me is inherently scummy.

How the actual fuck would I know someone SITTING ON A CLAIMED PR was actually just a poorly-playing townie?

They have repeatedly refused to push any slots which may be more concealed mafia because it's been much easier to go for simpler slots who made obvious mistakes, without considering those errors could - as often happens - be coming from town.

No, I haven't pushed any slots which may be more concealed mafia because I thought obvious scum was RIGHT THERE.

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry Italiano but you shouldn't have pushed NK15 after the claim. That's just sus amogus.

Well I still think there's at least one scum between HEM and Mala.

Look at this post for example. The first thing Kitty said after Italiano's elimination. They were entirely concerned with ensuring their read on Italiano - despite being wrong - could appear justified to the rest of the town. Keep in mind Kitty said this and yet is now pushing for the elimination of and is sitting on a claimed roleplayer. Clearly anti-town play is fine when it's to their own self-benefit.

Claiming day 1 =/= claiming day 4 when under pressure. Your actions also don't make much sense for your role.

[KittyTacky]

Yes you claimed but you are also opportunistically using my mistakes as leverage to get me hanged.

[KittyTacky]

Note Roden and Kitty are both staying firmly away from these gameplay discussions for the most part, because the current state of the game likely suits them so long as I am at risk.

Well I won't support myself being in POE so I think we should flip you today.

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry Italiano but you shouldn't have pushed NK15 after the claim. That's just sus amogus.

Well I still think there's at least one scum between HEM and Mala.

I now wonder how much of this game is just the town cannibalizing each other meanwhile scum just ride out the waves trying to stoke that fire.

Yeah same, town self-destructed with that day 1 mass claim.

Roden prob town. At least one scum between Mala and Malcolm. HEM not that scummy anymore now that I look at him again.

This is pretty much the extent of Kitty's D3 play that is either not exclusively about me likely being scum, or defending themselves from my reads. Does this look like a player who is genuinely interested in the gamestate as town or who is trying to figure out my alignment genuinely?

The cardinal sin of defending yourself from a tunneled push.

[KittyTacky]

If we're thinking Mala is safe, then the game is essentially a lock, but I don't feel 100% about that, especially after what I pointed out very recently.

I agree with this thought. I am not sold on Mala town but you Me and Roden is a pretty good town block.

Mainly I think with the fact Malcolm hasn’t been turbo yeeted means Malcolm is scum or scum don’t want to elim Malcolm for some reason.

Like it’s weird.

Is there a reason you townread Malcolm Gamma?

Yea like they would say in TOS,

slow votes on malcolm

[KittyTacky]

I feel like Kitty has been getting heat all game, but it never really seemed like they were in danger of getting eliminated.

Hey I'm good at defending myself in spite of my town playstyle that usually ends up with heat on me.

[KittyTacky]

I'm focused on anti-town play because scum is also anti-town.

[KittyTacky]

Alright, let's try something.

VOTE: Kitty

How do you not see he's scum misrepping me. -_-

[KittyTacky]

I'm a VT BTW. If I get hanged now, don't let Malcolm get away tomorrow.

[KittyTacky]

Why are we about to elim the claimed PR

I don't think a Simple JK makes sense in this setup, and his push on me makes no sense and is super opportunistic.

The vig is almost certainly a red herring.

[KittyTacky]

Some people said other claims didn't make sense and yet you continually pushed them for sitting on said players who claimed.

Those claims made sense to me at least, not in the least because it was respectively a day 1 investigative claim and a day 2 investigative claim with a guilty. False equivalency.

[KittyTacky]

Well I done fucked up. I'm town. Town loses. It's partially my fault. I think it's Mala after all but no way I will be able to push that through. GG.

[KittyTacky]

Also, how?

[KittyTacky]

Roden and Malcolm both were pushing you
They both flipped town

That would be too obvious.

It's a framing attempt.

[KittyTacky]

I think Kitty fully expected to be voted out today and thus just made the kill he wanted

I wouldn't concede as scum like that.

Roden and Malcolm both were pushing you
They both flipped town

That would be too obvious.

It's a framing attempt.

Funny you only respond with this AFTER HEM came in to say this.

That was because I was AFK after my first two posts. Do you expect me to stay glued to the screen all day?

I think GE is scum trying to leverage my extreme LHF status in LimLo.

[KittyTacky]

Like she just suddenly turned to turbo-pushing me like that. Sus amogus TBH.

[KittyTacky]

I wouldn't concede as scum like that.

What could you have done?

Same thing I would do as town. I don't surrender regardless of alignment.

[KittyTacky]

It depends on who scum are, but Roden would have been a poor choice because he pushed me.

[KittyTacky]

GE probs scum given her extremely sudden jump on me despite her showing basically no interest in me earlier, and the honestly half-hearted HEM accusation.

FOS: Gamma Emerald

Treat this as a vote, except I'm not voting for real so early in LimLo.

[KittyTacky]

Maybe I'm biased but GE suddenly turning on me is just off-the-charts scummy. Scum opportunism.

[KittyTacky]

GE probs scum given her extremely sudden jump on me despite her showing basically no interest in me earlier, and the honestly half-hearted HEM accusation.

FOS: Gamma Emerald

Treat this as a vote, except I'm not voting for real so early in LimLo.

Did you miss me saying one of you/Malcolm was scum?

You said it at the very end and it felt kinda half-hearted.

[KittyTacky]

Feels like peparation to start pushing me because you're scum who knew Malcolm would flip green.

[KittyTacky]

Let's say Kitty is scum, and you're right that Kitty just killed Roden because he FOS'd him. If he knew he would be dead, why wouldn't he just kill to benefit his partner at that point? Shouldn't it be a set-up to win?

It just doesn't make sense.

Roden was pushing Kitty quite a bit and probably would have had to have been killed the next night anyway because he’d be spewed as not a partner

Not killing the guy pushing you barring other circumstances is like Mafia 101.

[KittyTacky]

It's Gamma and either Mala or HEM. Leaning towards Mala. Gamma hangs today though.

[KittyTacky]

Guess my reward for trying to get the ball rolling this day phase is getting told to go fuck myself

AtE.

[KittyTacky]

I've iso'd them and my impression is both have been distant with each other until today. GE placed Kitty on their scum picks since D2, but never grilled towards that way in the way he was today. Similarly, Kitty never addressed GE until today. There wasn't any extended interaction between them that I know of (even FL).

I think there's a non-zero chance of a crossbus and GE was telling the truth about Roden's kill that it was Kitty's decision and that he expected to die. Maybe GE's sudden aggression is a play to secure ELO tomorrow (since Kitty/GE team is a losing one — Kitty has received a lot of heat and GE would be sus if he didn't push Kitty after putting him on his scum list). Maybe that's why GE chose to "pseudo-vote" me over Kitty so it was the easier win because pushing me is still viable option right now. (I'm in everyone's PoE) and Roden's absence means no one is left to defend me.

So no, I don't think it's TvS when it could be SvS.

I didn't address them because they only started really pushing me at the end of yesterday/especially today. Why would I address someone who isn't on me?

[KittyTacky]

GE had you in their scum list since D2, but you're right that it's only now that they really tried to engage you. Can you change my mind about a possible partnership between the two of you? Do you have a case against it?

Why would I push a teammate here if I was scum with GE when there's LHF in the form of Mala (since in the alternate universe where it's me/GE, Mala is town)? Surely a scumteam could push through a lim on her.

You would also address GE if you were sorting them, which town would usually do. Before now, I don't think there's much evidence that you had GE on your mind or sorting them actively. The idea that you would only address someone if they're on you doesn't track that much for me. Can you tell me what you thought about the slot since D1?

I actually had a townread on GE since she replaced in but that gradually eroded until it went away today. You might have missed that.

[KittyTacky]

And much of this game's content is shitfights that I think many are likely TvT (like FL/Gamma vs koopa).

Here I imply I thought Gamma is town.

Gamma is town just as FL was BTW.

Here I say it.

It's not much but that backs up what I said about having an early TR that later eroded.

[KittyTacky]

Do you mind walking me through why you threw those townreads towards FL/Gamma?

It was the tone, mostly. I don't remember the specifics.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[KittyTacky]

Mafia played this town like a fiddle. I never suspected Math. Also that D1 was something else.

I'm sorry for kinda ruining this game, it's just that those two townies felt outrageously scummy to me.

[KittyTacky]

Townsided *

Yep.

[KittyTacky]

GG though.

[KittyTacky]

Scum was super strong yeah. It would have been a blowout if not for the lucky guilty D2.

[KittyTacky]

koba is so salty and blamey for someone who demoralized the town into submission

No, Koba was good.

[KittyTacky]

Scum was super strong yeah. It would have been a blowout if not for the lucky guilty D2.

Or slow down and dont tunnel (: scum was sloppy and HEM was blatant from the vig claim nonsense lol

Well that's just my playstyle, I latch onto people like a tick. I can't help it. I had my suspicions of HEM but ended up pushing the wrong people all game lmfao.

[KittyTacky]

At least I was right about Roden when suspicion was cirling them all game...?

[KittyTacky]

Yup, town self-destructed.

[KittyTacky]

ogi influence

Out-of-game influence influence.