open 852: store bought potions (sold!)

[KittyTacky]

This mechanic seems cool. So as I understand it, everyone is an unreliable kill-only Watcher, Vigilante, JK, or doc.

[KittyTacky]

I have problem that i read Torlet like Toilet and then wondered why i need pour potions here at Day 4 and why fairy reward me for that.

Either way, if someone got lucky and got two pots of pain, they need say, so we plan our damage output.

Wait, it's not supposed to be a creative spelling of "Toilet"?

As I understand it, multiple players can attack someone with pain pots, we could just use it as a double lim by telling people to use their pain pots on someone the next night. I propose that we use HURT: tags for this.

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[hurt][/hurt]

[KittyTacky]

... Perhaps. I don't know English well.

I already thinked how we can organise, and best organisation is no organisation at all. Mafia is too easily can avoid/counter organisation.

Better to have organization some of the time rather than have no organization all the time.

every member of the mafia gets approximately 0.4 additional pain potions, and approximately 0.7 potions of Drink More Potions.

potion of Drink More Potions: at night, you may drink this potion; it will enable you to drink up to two more potions.

Does this mean mafia could get 2 more potions N1? Is it specific to pain potions or could it be any?
Does mafia get JK potions or whatever else on top of their drink more and pain or is it exclusive?
Those are all the questions I have for now

I'm sure more will come

From what I understand from reading the mechanics post:
1. Yes, any potions EXCEPT pain potions.
2. Yes.

[KittyTacky]

I was busy with a chemistry exam, sorry for being inactive!

I don't really support limming N_M day 1, as usual.

[KittyTacky]

STD (unfortunate acronym) seems quite scummy given his exchange with Nancy.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[KittyTacky]

Nancy is town, forget what I said about NM, I don't think this is town NM.

FOS: Not_Mafia

Treat this as a vote in all but VC.

[KittyTacky]

I was busy with a chemistry exam, sorry for being inactive!

I don't really support limming N_M day 1, as usual.

Nancy is town, forget what I said about NM, I don't think this is town NM.

FOS: Not_Mafia

Treat this as a vote in all but VC.

So what about NM made you think they were town?

It's not that I thought NM was town, it's just that I have a personal policy to not push NM day 1. Because most of what they do day 1 is NAI and thus it's a waste of a lim on someone who is null. But this time, their actions stood out as scummy to me.

[KittyTacky]

STD (unfortunate acronym) seems quite scummy given his exchange with Nancy.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

what part of it

Most of it.

[KittyTacky]

Is N_M really that toxic? I've been playing with him and he seems like he's seriously playing so far. Sure, he might quickhammer here and there but that's part of his playstyle. Targetting N_M personally for a playstyle seems mean to me idk

He is genereally just... random day 1.

[KittyTacky]

But what HEM said was true

Nancy does thing ---> HEM points out that Nancy does thing --> Nancy asks where she did thing --> HEM shows where Nancy did thing --> Nancy calls it making shit up --> I hammer Nancy and she flips scum

N_M was so supportive here and it's so sweet, but i haven't really seen that before. not super exposed to N_M tho so i want others to weigh in if this is characteristic. so it could be evidence of pocketing behavior if it's out of his town range?

Yeah I didn't see NM do this before. And I only played with town NM.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty?

Tacky.

They were flaming obvscum in OMB and are playing 180 degrees differently here.

yeah that's my question, i didn't think kitty showed much enough to give us anything to read on.

I'm still kinda busy because of exams.

[KittyTacky]

it barely attempts to sort n_m and no reason was given why n_m's posts (or even std's) are exclusively scum. are you sure he's genuinely trying to sort?

I read by tone.

[KittyTacky]

STD really talks like caught scum. It's just damning, at least to me.

[KittyTacky]

Are you calling me scum?

Kittytacky has spent 0 effort actually trying to parse me

You play like me when I was caught scum before. And also independently of that, I don't like the tone of your posts.

[KittyTacky]

Kittytacky has spent 0 effort actually trying to parse me

I will say ktacky has been a significantly low effort player so far

I've been feeling slightly ill and also I am preparing for an exam. I'm zoned-out and busy.

[KittyTacky]

Flash wagon kitty?

Interesting that the sentiment suddenly turned against me, kinda fishy NGL.

Nancy is a townlean for me RN.

[KittyTacky]

not everything i'm doing should be scummy. especially if i were scum. but even as me being town. some things should ring town.

but the push is quoting what i just said and putting a pithy comment about how i'm scum. no analysis. she's trying to bury me with a shotgun approach to see what sticks.

False, and also I am not a "she".

[KittyTacky]

You're trying to counterpush me to save yourself.

[KittyTacky]

Are you calling me scum?

Kittytacky has spent 0 effort actually trying to parse me

You play like me when I was caught scum before. And also independently of that, I don't like the tone of your posts.

Are you referring to OMB here?

Yes.

not everything i'm doing should be scummy. especially if i were scum. but even as me being town. some things should ring town.

but the push is quoting what i just said and putting a pithy comment about how i'm scum. no analysis. she's trying to bury me with a shotgun approach to see what sticks.

False, and also I am not a "she".

No but Nancy is and I was talking about her

Sorry I misunderstood.

[KittyTacky]

this is me trying to engage kittytacky to get them to produce more content and explain why they read me like they do. here's what kitty says in response:

STD (unfortunate acronym) seems quite scummy given his exchange with Nancy.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

what part of it

Most of it.

The alternative would be quoting half your ISO.

[KittyTacky]

Are you calling me scum?

is that how you feel

It looked like you were, posting the video immediately after my post.

[KittyTacky]

i want to understand what's going on inside that heaaaaaaad

It's just hard to explain beyond "their posts smell bad" but also it reminds me of how I acted when I was sinking scum in OMB as I explained now.

[KittyTacky]

i want to understand what's going on inside that heaaaaaaad

It's just hard to explain beyond "their posts smell bad" but also it reminds me of how I acted when I was sinking scum in OMB as I explained now.

tell us about how you acted when you were sinking scum

In Owner's Market Blitz, I flailed around hard, especially after being accused. Like, extreme flailing. I think that is what STD is doing.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty?

Tacky.

They were flaming obvscum in OMB and are playing 180 degrees differently here.

yeah that's my question, i didn't think kitty showed much enough to give us anything to read on.

Ngl this thought process from HEM on KT feels like an attempt to pivot momentum, but my hold-up on that is the impetus for it feels absent

My gut tells me that Kitty is more likely than not lhf town here. His posts look nuanced and show conviction.

Gth, forget what I said earlier. Rn, it looks to me like an STD/Dwelee + ? team but STD is once again being scummy because there’s no way in hell he still honestly thinks I’m scum at this point. No way in hell.

I'm always kinda LHF-y as town. I have a weird playstyle.

[KittyTacky]

i don't flail as scum

Not sure if I buy this.

do you have any other thoughts besides the one

Just lim me already so i can get out of this terrible game

Asking to die is a scumtell, isn't it?

[KittyTacky]

I also call bs because you've just been dogging me and not asking me questions so you're not trying to sort me

Strange word to use here...

[KittyTacky]

scum don't do scumtells because they're known tells so they avoid them

They can if it's a subconscious tell when frustrated and flailing. Like here.

Also, this just seems like an attempt to deflect suspicion.

[KittyTacky]

do you have any other thoughts besides the one

Nancy town. NM probably scum. Gamma probably town. I didn't really make a reads list, it would help me organize my thoughts.

why is dogging a weird word

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dogging

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Kittytacky

OMGUSmogus.

[KittyTacky]

but his involvement in std's wagon isn't even that invested? it's pretty lazy and shit. i would think scum to be better at bullshitting when std is actually displaying scumtells.

I was busy and sick IRL mate.

would kitty really doom std? std is a valuable scum partner, and i'm not very sure std was confident in his position yesterday if he was scum (he was f l a i l i n g)

I wouldn't "doom" him, because I am town and he is scum.

[KittyTacky]

you wouldn't answer my question

I don't know what you are trying to ask me. Feels like deflection. I am most interested in pushing you because you're my biggest scumread.

[KittyTacky]

As for StD, I'm attempting to sort him and see what stands where. I don't like the KT wagon coming out of nowhere as a counter.

Yeah people see that I am lurking for personal reasons and try to use it as leverage. Honestly kinda gross.

[KittyTacky]

Apologies that I caused offense. I assure you that was not my intention. For what it's worth, I never deliberately to misgender anyone and try to use their preferred pronoun. But sometimes mistakes do happen and when it does happen, people make out like it's the worst thing to ever happen. All I'm saying is that's overexaggerating it a wee bit. Stop drawing me into this minute piece of my post and answer the rest, goddamn it.

Hypothetically speaking, if STD gets decapitated today and flips town, does that make Nancy v STD TvT? Would scum have been defending Nancy in an attempt to pocket?

When you spend a life suffering the microaggressions of being called Sir, of being referred to as He/Him when you're stood there with tits on show wearing a dress, boots and makeup, we have full rights to get pissy about this. When the pronouns are often listed on the side, we have full rights to get pissy. I don't get pissy about my pronouns unless I have to tell you repeatedly. That I recall, I've never actually had to tell you.

Your blasé approach is disrespectful, your generalisation is harmful, and your attitude is shit.

You made the post, actions have consequences. There's a reason my avatar has a transflag with a biohazard symbol on it. I am called toxic and shitty because I don't let shit slide and I make sure people either learn and grow or show their true colours.

*hugs* You're fine.

[KittyTacky]

i agree kitty tacky is suspicious

He was rolling she eyes at you I think.

your post is incorrect and performative, and it

Feels like deflection.

Which one?

[KittyTacky]

He was rolling she eyes at you I think.

im aware

Which one?

As for StD, I'm attempting to sort him and see what stands where. I don't like the KT wagon coming out of nowhere as a counter.

Yeah people see that I am lurking for personal reasons and try to use it as leverage. Honestly kinda gross.

i dont doubt that you were sick/busy and that caused you not to post. it was never about that for me and i don't think it's gross to vote you for not having reads

I have reads, but why would I not push my biggest scumread consistently? You're trying to get me to deflect.

[KittyTacky]

nancy sinatra is being replaced by venus and mars, a hydra of nd39 & shiro

I didn't realise "nd39" here was Nancy and thought it was a hydra of two entirely new people subbing in. I still think Nancy is scum but will back off for a bit.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Trying to make it seem like he's being scumread for lurking when it's his weaksauce pop-ins

You don't know how I play, do you? I check the site a few times a day and throw out responses in batches. And I am not trying to make it seem that way.

[KittyTacky]

we need a strong flip for d1. not a compromise lurker low info flip like kitty. n_m (because this is the strongest way to gain info from that slot/player) or std (i still think he can be scum here, and i want to err towards the majority than the minority).

sorry in advance if both are town.

Compromise wagons tend to be town since scum can steer people into them easily.

I'm fine with NM or STD too.

[KittyTacky]

I don't like how kitty has had one basic take most of the game and has doubled down on it without engaging. It looks like scum piling on.

I am not pushing anyone else because you are my biggest scumread, ahead of NM.

[KittyTacky]

Anyone else think it's sus as hell that the STD wagon dissolved and his most prolific pusher is being wagoned now? STD is scum, and scum is sterring people away from him.

[KittyTacky]

*steering

[KittyTacky]

his most prolific pusher

that's the boldest claim since the manifest destiny

i'll vote kitty just for 1261. this isn't town kitty. kitty is mostly self-aware, iirc.

Legit curious who you think is pushing STD harder.

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky (2): Not_Mafia, Save The Dragons

what a wagon

your theory is two scum buddies are voting you to silence you about one/both of them being scum and just hoping town falls on it

It wouldn't be very sus by itself but the wagon on you dissolved at the same time.

NANCY

I thought I was pushing harder than her. Or as hard. Also I'm easier to push than Nancy because I am LHF.

EVEN I PUSHED HARDER THAN YOU HAHAHA

Half my posts are about STD, what are you talking about mate?

[KittyTacky]

his most prolific pusher

that's the boldest claim since the manifest destiny

i'll vote kitty just for 1261. this isn't town kitty. kitty is mostly self-aware, iirc.

Legit curious who you think is pushing STD harder.

Can you give us some reads?

Other than STD and me. I assume you’re still sr NM? What do you think of Roden’s read on you?

Yeah, NM is still a scumlean. I actually think Roden is town, I understand 100% why he scumreads me and I have been liking his play so far. He's just wrong about me and STD.

[KittyTacky]

As for reads, I haven't made a reads list yet. But Venus is my biggest TR, followed by Flea. Mostly on gut.

[KittyTacky]

HEM is hard to sort for me.

[KittyTacky]

i'll vote kitty just for 1261. this isn't town kitty. kitty is mostly self-aware, iirc.

Anyone else think it's sus as hell that the STD wagon dissolved and his most prolific pusher is being wagoned now? STD is scum, and scum is sterring people away from him.

Do you have any meta that I can look at?

Town game 1: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89071
Town game 2: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89313

Scum game 1: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=86947
Scum game 2: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404

I can be a village idiot sometimes, I am prone to saying dumb shit as either alignment, just my playstyle.

VOTE: Kittytacky back to this i think? i just disagree with nancy's tr of kitty

what scares me is what i said earlier about nancy possibly town reading someone she knows is a townie (as scum) or defending her partner (as scum). so my biggest concern with a kitty elim is that it's not going to help me solve nancy at all

@Kitty, besides the vote on you, what do you think of the rest of STD’s post?

If he's scum, he's pushing me because I am a threat

and

it won't give town info. If he's town, he just thinks I'm scum. But I think he's more likely scum.

[KittyTacky]

does everyone else agree with me in my assessment on kitty? kitty seems self-aware in that game and not making absurd claims like being the most prolific pusher of std...

It’s more of an issue not re-evaluating for me. Idk, well he really is the main one pushing him rn, so idk if “prolific” necessarily means anything?

but he was bleeding obvtown in that other game, so I could be wrong.

I think my good cop/bad cop analogy is probably right. I think one scum is pushing me and one could possibly be pocketing me. The 3rd could be either or not doing either.

kitty is making the case that he's the most prolific. as in, voluminous and constant. he was barely a force in shaping public opinion of std, is what im saying. nancy, flea, and maybe i contributed a lot more to it.

kitty, do you think you were the most pressing threat to std the moment you made the post?

Is "most prolific" not a synonym for "main"? That was what I meant. And yes. I think I am his main pusher at this point, at least.

[KittyTacky]

@Kitty, what do you think of my NM case?

I do think that the inconsistency he showed with his pushes is weird. One of my reasons for SRing NM. This also doesn't "feel" like town NM.

[KittyTacky]

Getting sussed for idiotic posting as town is nothing new for me.

[KittyTacky]

@Kitty, what do you think of my NM case?

I do think that the inconsistency he showed with his pushes is weird. One of my reasons for SRing NM. This also doesn't "feel" like town NM.

So why not vote him then? I think STD is more likely to be town here than NM. It’s not townie to ignore other players’ reads and not reacess. NM isn’t even considering the possibility he could be wrong.

You know what? You made me realize I was kinda deathtunneled on STD for a few icky plays. I did that in my last game and got several townies killed. STD is still pretty scummy, but N_M is just as or even more.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Kitty

Elaborate.

KittyTacky (2): Not_Mafia, Save The Dragons

what a wagon

your theory is two scum buddies are voting you to silence you about one/both of them being scum and just hoping town falls on it

It wouldn't be very sus by itself but the wagon on you dissolved at the same time.

NANCY

I thought I was pushing harder than her. Or as hard. Also I'm easier to push than Nancy because I am LHF.

EVEN I PUSHED HARDER THAN YOU HAHAHA

Half my posts are about STD, what are you talking about mate?

I'll take the acknowledgment I shoved harder and that you didn't actually conceed that point.

I concede.

Good night.

[KittyTacky]

I thought I was pushing harder than her. Or as hard. Also I'm easier to push than Nancy because I am LHF.

nancy was pushing hella hard bro

you were just kind of there in your ivory tower going "oh yes bring me std's head more tea more crumpets please" while Nancy was fucking out in the battlefield taking on 10 soldiers at once with her kung fu

I thought I was pushing hard too.

also what does the LHF have to do with how hard nancy was pushing lmao

Because it doesn't, it does make me easier to push by you though.

[KittyTacky]

why does kitty's content seem ok

he feels like he's currently somewhat single-minded on you and that's not terrible imo
but I'd like him to flesh out some other thoughts

@kitty

what do you think of dwlee/enchant/facebones?

Dwlee and Facebones are even more nonexistent than me, but Facebones is faintly town while Dwlee is null-ish. Enchant is town I think, he's kinda trollish regardless of alignment but I didn't see anything particularly scummy coming from him.

[KittyTacky]

18 hours left. Can we consolidate somewhere?

After sleeping on it, I think I'd rather keep HEM around another day. He says he wants to push me tomorrow, maybe I'll be able to sort him better once he puts together a scum case on me. I also want to see if he'll put his money where his mouth is and actually throw Pain potions at me.

Currently down to go for either NM or Kitty, preferably Kitty though.

VOTE: Kitty

Compromise wagons are usually town.

[KittyTacky]

Look, I'm genuinely trying to solve. I changed my mind wrt the STD tunnel. N_M, however, is tunneled extremely hard. Can we lim them?

[KittyTacky]

Feel better soon!

[KittyTacky]

Also, happy cake day.

[KittyTacky]

Look, I'm genuinely trying to solve. I changed my mind wrt the STD tunnel. N_M, however, is tunneled extremely hard. Can we lim them?

If they were either actually deathtunnelling me for a valid reason or reacessing at all, I’d consider voting elsewhere but both these things considered + them blaming me for my miselim and refusing to even consider they could possibly be wrong is anti-town at best.

What is your take on the HEM/Roden fight?

Either TvT or TvS, it REALLY doesn't look like scum theater.

[KittyTacky]

Compromise wagons tend to be town, guys. I said it.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[KittyTacky]

Still feeling a bit ill.

i implore people to start reconsidering their townread on Roden. what has he done that is so hard to fake? their whole beef with me is super fake imo.

I just don't really see what he did that is outwardly

scummy

.

[KittyTacky]

I used a doctor potion on Venus and Mars.

[KittyTacky]

I used a doctor potion on Venus and Mars.

<3

i used my potion of harmography to see if anyone targetted venus and mars. there was none.

Wait what?

Oh nm, STD jk’d you.

A harmography potion also can't detect a doctor shot.

[KittyTacky]

Why would a scumteam not talk about mech?

Like that would be really really stupid. Did you read the scum pt in FFIV? Because we discussed everything in there. Now granted that’s a different kind of setup and we didn’t understand how optimally navigate the raids but this otoh would have to be straightforward to at least one scum and that scum would make damned sure that the entire team would understand how their potions worked.

So, I don’t see how I’m wrong unless you think either there’s an entire team who doesn’t understand mech or that whichever scum(s) do would not share it with their team.

Yeah, scum often fakes mech talk.

STD and N_M are probably partners.

[KittyTacky]

I think we should get N_M first as there's a possibility STD is just tilted town.

[KittyTacky]

like kitty could have done DMP and 2 pain potions on someone but they were blocked.

Leaving aside the fact that I am not scum, you can't use two pain potions in the same night even with DMP. At least that's how I understand the rules. It's like a multitask.

[KittyTacky]

HEM kinda scummy ngl.

[KittyTacky]

absolutely killed myself over the weekend, am 10 pages behind, plz bearwith me while I catch up

Hope you're feeling better! I have been very busy those past few days and so I'm also pretty inactive.

I'm down for {HEM, N_M, STD} today. Not voting outside that barring an unprecedented scumslip.

[KittyTacky]

not if v&m goes first

Doesn't work like that.

Makes you look scared and manipulative.

Yeah I think in this situation it's better to lim the accuser first.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: HEM

E-1.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is still a scummy slot.

[KittyTacky]

What makes you say that?

His constant shitpush on your slot since literally the first few pages of day 1.

[KittyTacky]

Has it been decided out loud what town are doing with their hurt potions? I'm starting to think about this game even when I'm not reading it. Neat setup.

I proposed a plan but it didn't catch on.

[KittyTacky]

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

Why the hell is Kitty ignoring my question

@Roden: no action N1, harmography NM N2, no one attacked him. Was hoping town would attack him and if he were scum I would generate conftowns

I missed it.

I pain potioned NM night 1. That's it, I didn't get a pain potion N2 or I would finish him off.

[KittyTacky]

I didn't use a JK either.

[KittyTacky]

Why you didn't claim pain potion before?

I didn't think it was the right play to claim pain pot usage.

[KittyTacky]

kitty's case on me just sucks it looks like a fake read, not fleshed out.

STD (unfortunate acronym) seems quite scummy given his exchange with Nancy.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

STD really talks like caught scum. It's just damning, at least to me.

You play like me when I was caught scum before. And also independently of that, I don't like the tone of your posts.

this is me trying to engage kittytacky to get them to produce more content and explain why they read me like they do. here's what kitty says in response:

STD (unfortunate acronym) seems quite scummy given his exchange with Nancy.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

what part of it

Most of it.

The alternative would be quoting half your ISO.

I'm just finding it hard to articulate.

[KittyTacky]

I've been feeling just... out of this game. Sorry for inactivity.

Enchant is so coin flip

Enchant is very hard to read, he's like a slightly-less-trollish NM.

[KittyTacky]

Oh in case y'all haven't picked up on in NM hurt portioned kitty last night

He's scared scum.

[KittyTacky]

NM is hard to read but I played a few games with him before and he was town and didn't play like that.

[KittyTacky]

im pretty town

Seems legit.

[KittyTacky]

JK on Enchant IMO, this is our chance to salvage this game.

[KittyTacky]

Or we lose like this.

[KittyTacky]

This game has been weird.

[KittyTacky]

Woohoo! We mostly stayed in the background as town cannibalized itself. But I am proud of this scum win.

[KittyTacky]

GG all.