Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thank you, thank you!

It's a pleasure to be here.

I haven't read anything. Someone tell me who to vote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why not?

Do you want to lynch someone today?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Day One's are boring though and I'd like to speed the process up.

Is there anything interesting in the 5 pages that you think I should read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pearl-clutching, not heard that expression before.

Shall we build a wagon then and start some interesting stuff?

Pedit - I really don't want to read.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Votes seem spread all over the place and as such they're not really achieving anything.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK.

I have read and town read everyone.

Shall we start a wagon now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What is your opinion of your scum-game, Somnus?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella, how are you? I wasn't sure if you would remember me! It's been a while.

You wanna start a wagon with me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Generally cautious Day 1 because losing 1 of the 2 maf in a 9'er on Day 1 is an absolute disaster. Usually open up more as the game progresses. I dunno. Exciting but stressful.

I meant more in terms of skill.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You have 3 games played and are still in the Newbie queue?

I think I would agree, you seem a somewhat accomplish scum player.

How would you say your scum and town games differ?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Have you never played prior to playing on this site?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, that's actually kind of annoying but I guess we'll roll with it.

Bella, what are your thoughts on Somnus?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, let me rephrase an earlier question.

How do you expect your town game to differ from your scum game?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Somnus

I respect your scum game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, something in your post has piqued my interest.

Shall we wagon one of your weaker reads?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hahaha, maybe! Let's wait and see.

VOTE: msq

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK.

Reasons?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Good stuff.

Now vote msq.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vasex, you almost have the game figured out on page 7.

I'm impressed.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Rad

You used the other slash.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know what I did wrong... It's been a while...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pretty sure I only used v before, not sure what's happened.

Will let Mod sort it. I just voted for you, though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You voted for me.

So I voted you back.

Plus, I like wagons.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Rad

You used the other slash.

My bad haha.

Mod, can we get a VC on next page please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aw man, the above is a really bad post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If someone with more town cred than myself could explain why, I would be eternally grateful.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Very nervous. In fact, if I could, I would replace out of this game. That's how nervous I am.

My only hope is that you change your mind.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rad

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I suppose it depends what you find scummy.

As a counter, I would suggest forming wagons and encouraging participation is a townie thing to do. I would also suggest getting people to use their votes (towns strongest weapon) is also important for later in the game (if you believe VCA is a thing)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My bad if it does, again, it's been a while. You can delete if needed Mod.

Also, a little request, would it be possible to get VCs in order of number of votes? Thanks!

omfg

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vasex not jumping on the wagon for me is super townie.

This is wrong but probably makes you town.

UNVOTE:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Right, Vasex doesn't have a scum read on you. So, if he joins the wagon and puts you at L-1 it's super dangerous for a number of reasons:

Should your wagon go through, his votes looks likely to be worst (outside of a lol hammer)

Scum don't like to be on wagons without good reason because that's usually where everybody will look first. So a dangerous vote, without good reason, is not something scum would take lightly. Especially not Day One.

Your thought process on that probably makes you town though as I said. I don't see scum!Rad applying that tactic as an appeasement to Town! Vasex not to vote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: msq

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I felt a townie lean on Italiano but im not so sure on his replacement Toffee

Yes, I know you did You should probably explain why, but hey, that's your call, scum

but she scumreads italiano a bit, and he votes her and he is lying that they are together in one PT, so I guess he is just scum, and she is not

Really, Bella? This is just from page 7 alone. I'm not saying they're lock scum reads but it clearly shows I'm nowhere near town read in this game.

3 out of the 4 active posters (excluding myself) are scum reading me to one extent or another. I guess you could argue Spartan is a null but it's meh either way.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You didn't think Vasex was a scum read? Again, it might not be a D3 lock scum read but it is a scum read.

Bella, how do you play Newbies as scum? Was that real that you haven't rolled scum in literally years?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That was a really, really long time ago.

I'm starting to gather reads now but we really need everyone to start posting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You

Day 1

Player List

1. mq.bosco
   
   
2. Vasex
   
   
3. Cheapside
   
   
4. Somnus
   
   
5. Rad
   
   
6. whiskey delta
   
   
7. Jackal711 (SE)
   
8. ItalianoVD (SE)
   
   
9. Bellaphant (SE)

(bold indicates confirmation, asterisks indicate prods)

Spoiler: Flips

No flips yet.

Events:
Day 1 Start

A fantastic idea.

The only flaw is waiting to use your vote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, I don't know how that happened. I really need to stop phone posting and do this on my laptop.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I get that.

Usually, you get better content from people when they are more likely to feel under pressure to produce something.

Be brave.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Spartan

Will provide more soon. Glad to see the game is picking up, from a brief skim it looks like everybody is contributing now. Makes the game a lot easier

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, I've actually read the first 5 pages and will give some thoughts. Apologies if it feels like we're going backwards for a moment, but bear with me. I'll try to keep this short.

I don't like Vasex entrance in the game. He mentions he has only been playing a week, complete newbie, but gives very assured town reads. It's like he is screaming 'Look at my reads, I'm so confident'. I'm not sure a complete newbie townie plays like this, 48 as an example. As such;

Vasex is pretty obviously town

I wouldn't mind Cheap expanding on this. Complete different viewpoint from myself and so I feel it's worth discussing, despite being early game. 69 feels town because the scum read on Somnus comes from his town read on Vasex which feels like an organic thought process. Again, it goes against how I was reading the early game though and this keeps niggling in the back of my mind. I don't know whether Cheap's posting style just looks townie and that is swaying me too much or whether I want to scum read him because he sees the game almost the complete opposite to how I'm reading it.

Somnus' entrance felt very townie to me until I looked at his recent games (42 is a good post). He seems an accomplished scum player from the small sample size and this is as much a reminder to myself more than anything else to stop clinging onto an early town read as there are posts I don't like that I will go into.

I didn't like Bella's 40. I see no reason for a player of Bella's experience to try and stop the game progressing out of RVS. We all know it's usually the smallest thing that someone points out in RVS that gets the game moving, yet Bella tries to derail this. 72 also feels like a disappointed post, like she is forced to have town reads because of an interaction. I don't know, she just doesn't seem very happy that she gained two town reads? This post is weird.

62 from Rad isn't great either. The whole WKing situation was icky - acting as if an RVS suspicion is going to lead to a lynch.

68 Is the first post from Somnus I don't like - it's the old 'I'm so town you can lynch me today'. 74 is just as bad, saying he is playing scummy and is aware he is playing scummy but doesn't care because he is so town? 77 Somnus refers to himself as LHF, yikes. 3 posts from Somnus in a short space of time that are really bad. There were multiple lurkers in the game at this point and Somnus was nowhere near LHF. On the flip side, he wasn't really coming under any pressure so I don't know where this freak out come from? I mean, there is *some* pressure from Bella, but meh, I don't like this reaction. Which means this;

UNVOTE:

That was was I needed.

Really caught my attention. What did you get from this Bella because whatever you got is the complete opposite from what I'm getting.

88 Not much to go on from mq, but this isn't good. Fluffy post, read on Somnus is meh, Bella is town, why? Why is joking AI for Vasex (I believe these two know each other if I remember right?)

91 Good from Rad, no reason for scum to post this really. Doesn't get a lot of town cred from a scum!Rad. Feels genuine.

104 Another poor post from Somnus. Acts like nothing has happened since he had last posted which is not at all true but allows him to 'catch up' without contributing all that much. In the space between his posts, Rad had posted 83 which could have generated some discussion, mq had posted for the first time (chance for an interaction) and there was the back and forth with my slot and somebody else.

Summing up those first 5 pages; where are the townies at? Next 5 pages coming soon

[BlueBloodedToffee]

137 Spartan attributes Vasex for getting the game out of RVS when I feel it was actually Somnus that did that. Probably nothing much, but definitely worth noting.

152 Flimsy from Vasex, looks like contributing with reads but with very little thoughts/reasoning. It's extremely easy for him to backtrack on these at any second should he need to.

154 Poor post from Spartan and I don't fully understand the vote on Rad. Lots of theory posting as well which is a nice, easy way for scum to enter an ongoing game.

155 Good from Rad, something I was looking for with my entrance. Surprisingly, not many other people picked up on what I was doing, or at least didn't feel strong enough to push it which is intriguing. I wouldn't expect scum to be the first to push it and so this gives me a decent town read on Rad. I was wondering if others would follow up and how they went about it but there wasn't much. Except for one thing, which I'll come to shortly.

156 This post has me flip-flopping all over the place on Cheap. He mirrors an early thought I had about a Bella/Somnus scum team which I like, however I can't understand his town read on Vasex (the reasoning was Vasex TR Cheap so Cheap thinks Vasex must be town?) The read on Spartan feels really awkwardly worded as well, I can't put my finger on why. The read on me is non-commital, I think Scum!Cheap can take this stance and position himself to join my wagon if needed.

185 Rad, can you expand on your reservations regarding Cheap, please?

Now, I mentioned earlier about scum using my entrance/posting style as an opportunity to push me and I also mentioned I wouldn't expect scum to start the push as Rad did. What I would expect scum to do it position themselves to join my wagon should the opportunity arise. Like this;

Are you trying to get Vasex to put Rad to

E-1

so your scumbuddy can quickhammer him on accident?

Also your reasoning on scumreading him for your vote is very watery in 168

It's very OMGUS isn't it.

Spartan doesn't like my vote but sits on the same wagon as me anyway. Continues to throw shade my way and angle for my wagon, but doesn't commit. This could very easily be scum positioning themselves ready to vote. Voting is a pretty big deal for scum.

Early page 9 from Bella was poor but I'm not sure if not following the game is AI. I really wouldn't expect Scum!Bella to push me in any way at all though, so, :shrug:

{post]205[/post] Rad has very little reason to leave my wagon here, especially with the positioning from Spartan previously. Some posts of Rad's rub me the wrong way but I think I'm going commit to a town read on Rad.

211 This is really good from Cheap. The whole pushing for a policy lynch is super dangerous as scum and I just wouldn't expect it. The analysis and vote on Spartan is really good, second town read.

214 Another one of those posts from Rad that just rub me the wrong way. On the face of it, a very town looking post (reevaluating reads etc) but I don't understand questioning yourt strong town reads (especially on Day One). Maybe it's just a difference of playstyle but the announcement of it and the 'this is what I like to do' feels bad. On the flip side, it's an in-depth read and it's difficult to do this consistently as scum. Let's see how this progresses through the game.

215 What did you like about 193 Whiskey?

220 Rad, I would like you to read my thoughts on Spartan and reconsider your read on him.

214 Good from Whiskey, I like this. 231 Why did you think my entrance was NAI, Whiskey?

234 and 236 Yay Bella! This is a good spot.

Alright, I'm reasonably happy with my town reads on Rad and Cheap. I think Bella and maybe Whiskey can be town, too.

We're getting somewhere.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

chepside, could you please stop voting somnus? i don't think anybody of you two is a scum

I dunno. This is starting to feel borderline TMI at this point. It's not this post merely in isolation itself that I have the issue with.

Good stuff.

Did you ever say what specifically you hated about 171? I may have missed it. I just saw you asking for someone with more "town-cred" to explain why. I don't know that I'm that person.

I didn't actually. It was basing his reads off of other reads with no real basis behind them.

He scum reads me (with no reasons) and because of this scum read, he town reads MQ. The town read on MQ falls apart if I'm not scum and allows an easy reversal.

Two 'solid' reads with very little behind them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright Bella, I don't understand the progression on Somnus and you didn't respond to my accusation of you trying to prolong RVS but I also don't want to get into it because I think you're probably town and I'm happy for us to lynch Spartan.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Basically, Somnus caught into something that could progress the game out of the RVS stage but you didn't seem to want that to happen and wanted to shut down any discussion.

I understand it wasn't anything massive and it wasn't an omega scum tell but it was *something* to progress the game and get it moving.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi Spartan,

What are your current thoughts on the game state?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll wait to see your contributions when you're fully caught up. Vastly underwhelmed, but not surprised, right now.

You're not 1 vote from hammer yet anyway. My vote was 3rd vote I believe.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is that for me Bella?

If so, can you quote/link the 3 messages you're referring to please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Huh, it didn't register that you (Spartan) replaced Jackal who still held an early vote from Whiskey.

But I don't care. You're L-1. So what? Do something.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rad, talk to me about Spartan.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@bbt, 62 and 69.

I addressed these in my read through posts, I believe.

Also, I would hold you to a higher standard than a random Newbie.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I did in post 272. I think there are better options than him right now, but I lean scum. I haven't gone over his latest post yet. I'm going to spend some time on your posts now.

Let me know what you think when you've read my posts please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're wrong.

Town are more likely to make careless mistakes than scum are.

Again, length of days doesn't matter. It's the content. The longer the days are the more chance the waters get muddied with nonsense.

15 pages would be a decent sweet spot and we've had a good amount of content from Day One now. I'm ready for Day Two.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Noooooo Whiskey, why unvote?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're right. A vote with absolutely no explanation usually flies right under the radar

If you don't think I have provided content, I'm cool with that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh my. The appeasement.

I believe Spartan is appealing to your *reasonable* side Bella.

Can we lynch this guy already?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

38 claiming vasex is obviously town. No way. No one's obviously town that quickly. But as scum, you already know who's town, so a scum!Cheap knows that town!Vasex is being a goofball town and it's easy to think that this AI is obvious to everyone else as well. If Cheap is scum, this comment about vasex is actually a scum slip IMO.

You have no problem with Vasex doing the exact same thing but with much less reasoning/thoughts behind said reads?

Second, his 69 just sort of summarized what somnus was doing at a stage where basically the only thing that had happened was somnus stuff. It just hit me like... Ok, thanks for the summary of what everyone should already know!

I thought 69 was OK, his reads seemed organic in terms of how he was forming them (even if I didn't agree with them)

Then in 156 he spells out his reads. Couldn't tell if this was town being useful or scum trying to look useful. I think him dropping the somnus vote like he did was questionable. Also his vote on me felt like weak reasoning and I'm sure I got a little OMGUS on him lol. ALSO at that stage I was very anti-BBT and he was throwing shade on Italiano while simultaneously hyping you (BBT) up as a strong vet that won't be easy to read D1 (giving you a D1 pass essentially). Felt kinda scum-teamy to me given I was seeing you as scum.

OK, so if you can't tell town or scum from reads post then it's surely null?

What did you find questionable about his Somnus vote? And have you managed to get around to my posts regarding Spartan yet?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Spartan, you're going to disappear without addressing my accusations to you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You really just love to prevent conversation don't you, why are you being so Anti-Town? You have some serious tunnel vision goggles on there

I hope it didnt hurt you too much when Whiskey took their RVS vote off me

What makes you think I'm being anti-town? I do have tunnel vision though, I would love to see you lynched in the next 3 pages.

It did hurt, actually. I will be trying my very best to get not only that vote back on but one more vote, too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll do Spartan later

[BlueBloodedToffee]

253 Spartan.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

253 Spartan.

Pretty weak, not much to it is there...

You think I'm scum because

1. I joined the game and started talking theory in my second post as SE into a newbie game?
2. I pointed out in 189 that you was trying to coax a newer player into putting someone to E-1 (notice a trent...) and my genuine concern about your scum buddy quickhammering after, and that I thought your reasoning for your scum read was watery. Did you take it personally?
3. That I sit on same wagon as him (where I was the one who had voted for Rad first...) when I don't like his vote (it was clear that I didnt like the way you voted and jumped on not who you was voting for, and how you was trying to coax a quick elim on page 8!) you say voting is a pretty big deal for scum, is that why you throw your vote around like it doesn't matter to see where it will stick?

Wait, what? My page 11 'case' on someone who has only been posting for 6 pages or so isn't the strongest case you've ever seen? God damn, who knew. I think there is more than enough substance to what I posted given how little you had contributed to that point and I only asked for a response.

It's not just talking theory - you actually chose that as the thing to enter the game with. You didn't make 2 or 3 posts addressing game content or generating reads or whatever, you came straight in with theory. A common icebreaker for scum to insert themselves into a game.

The trend is building wagons and seeing what happens. It's a good thing for town; not all wagons lead to lynches but the vast majority of them do provide information regardless. Can you imagine how bad a scum team would have to be to 'lol hammer' a wagon in a Newbie game? You'd basically be sacrificing yourself, come on. Try harder.

You threw shade at me and said you disliked my vote. I joined the wagon that you were on and yet you stayed on it? Regardless of what you think about the person I was voting, it should have made you rethink your own vote no? Additionally, given your clear apprehension about wagons building, you would think this would enter your thought process, too.

Then you threw a random comment about how OMGUSy I was being. Yet, you STILL didn't vote me and you STILL stayed on the wagon I was on. Do you often vote with your scum reads? You lined yourself up to join my wagon, should it take off, without committing yourself to it. That's scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella, has your read on Rad progressed much from 159?

A lot of the more recent stuff feels like OMGUS? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Them to me? Or me to them?

Your read on them. I see you speaking about it a little bit on the past few pages but a lot of it feels like OMGUS. Just asking if you could reevaluate the read and see if you still feel the same?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I think so.

We need something from mq before day ends but I'm pretty happy going into Day Two with my current reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vasex's reads are extremely rigid.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vasex's reads are extremely rigid

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dat timing tho.

VOTE: Rad

What?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Somnus, walk me through that scum read.

Explain it like I'm a 7 year old.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Have you mixed up Rad and Vasex here, Bella? Struggling to follow that post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, I feel like Somnus is avoiding interacting with me.

I don't like it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, my reads have changed naturally throughout the course of reading the game.

Yours, however, have not. You have the exact same reads now, on page 19, as you did on page 2. That's not right.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And who were you replying to?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you think he's making the shoe fit? Compare for example his mentions of Spartan to your catch up.

Sorry Bella, this looks like it's in response to a specific person?

'His mention of Spartan's catch up to *your* catch up. Who is the' your'?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

TOWNS: Somnus, Spartan
town lean: WD, bosco, Bella
null: Cheap
scum lean: Rad
SCUM: BBT

maybe my case about Rad is not so strong, i will reconsider it and i skipped some of his bigposts (not only his). see you folks

This reads list is horrific.

I bet you skipped my longer posts too Vasex, right? It doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cheap, what do you make of Vasex's reads never changing throughout the game? They're very rigid.

Additionally, and this is a note for everyone, almost all of Vasex's reads are predicated on me being scum. So if I'm town, he gets to completely reset.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I feel where Cheap is coming from and hope they can get back into the game soon, but I personally didn’t hate watching your catch-up in real-time. That style reminds me of others I have played with in the past so it’s sort of helpful to me, I think. I agree with you about Bella but less about Rad/BBT. Also not sold on Town!Somnus yet. Not convinced of scum!Spartan either to be fair.

I was sketched out by your read on bosco earlier but I have liked how you carried that. I concede you were catching heat for it (beginning to maybe) so you couldn’t just keep it forever but this turn feels appropriate

This is a lot of nothing Whiskey. Give me something solid in terms of reads and where you're at for this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella
Rad
Vasex?
Spartan?

means there is 2 scum in BBT, Somnus, bosco, & Cheapside.

VOTE: Cheapside

Good, good, bad, bad.

I don't like the Cheap vote. He isn't even pushing for the policy lynch, he is merely suggesting that it may come to that IF we get nothing from those players.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rad, can you show me the posts from Spartan that made you reconsider your read?

Also, what made you decide his emotion was coming from a town perspective and not a scum perspective?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Somnus

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We're too close to mq getting replaced for me to jump on a somnus wagon. Otherwise I'd be happily doing that with you guys right now.

I'm a bit worried about an mq cheap lurker scum team

This really shouldn't matter too much.

Cheap probably isn't scum either

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Does it help you Spartan if I like your recent posting a lot more and no longer want to lynch you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rad, vote Somnus.

There are cookies available if you join the wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think I still have some outstanding questions for you too, Rad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, voting Somnus requires little effort though...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Does it help you Spartan if I like your recent posting a lot more and no longer want to lynch you?

The most important thing from my opinion, on you no longer wanting to eliminate me is if you are town it enables you to take off the goggles and scum hunt others and form reads on them.
Even if you are or were still scum reading me and think I am one of the scum I just want you to be able to look for the other scum if you are/were certain it is me.

Although to look for them without me in mind, as looking at everyone else through spartan tinted glasses will only make it harder for TownBBT as they should know I am not 100% scum.

This is interesting - is this not exactly what Vasex is doing? Basing all of his reads/contributions through the lens of Scum!BBT. Are you only concerned with me doing it because I was scum reading you or is it a general disliking of that style?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But you have no problem with Vasex doing it?

Is that because he town reads you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What are your thoughts on Somnus, Bella?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would you like to sure up your read on Somnus and join the very juice wagon we have forming?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not town to you yet! Bella, that hurts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, not just a 'pressure' vote if you're genuinely unsure of a read. Their reaction could tip you one way or another.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you join and Rad joins, we could have another L-1 situation.

How exciting!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The l word?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Damn.

Talk about entering with a bang.

How about some stuff outside of Vasex, Corwin? In particular, what are your thoughts on Somnus?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

On the whole Vasex thing thing though, I do have a thought to add.

Bella was very quick to shut down that push from Somnus on Vasex. I don't like to do scum teams on D1 but I can absolutely see Bella not being on board with that plan from Vasex and not wanting it to be the starting point of the game.

As I said at the time, the shut down from Bella set off a red flag for me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Now I'm questioning my own Somnus push. I hate this game sometimes, the day has gone on too long already.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm interested in reasons for Town!Somnus.

I don't see it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Damn, inconsistency is a scum tell now?

Used to be the other way around.

I'm just spilling thoughts Bella, some of them are well thought out, some of them not so well thought out. Again, it's the reason I don't usually look for a team because most things don't make sense until we get a red flip.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

ugh
maybe im wrong in smth
but i'm too lazy even to think about it
i will update my view from some other perspectives emm in a couple of calendar days
too busy tomorrow

No time for this Vasex?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, are we actually not allowed to use the word 'lynch'?

Probably a post game discussion but that's blown my mind.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm sure you can spare 5 minutes to knock something up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The pronoun field?

I wondered what the E-x was about. Damn, is there a reason behind it?

Also, apologies Mod. I have used that word a lot xD

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Turn that into a VC please?

Many thanks

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Vasex

[BlueBloodedToffee]

ugh
maybe im wrong in smth
but i'm too lazy even to think about it
i will update my view from some other perspectives emm in a couple of calendar days
too busy tomorrow

No time for this Vasex?

Still no time for this Vasex?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh I do, I dont like it, but it's not something that I'm gonna let be the sole basis of a read after all I could definitely see town do this.

As someone that doesn't like to match scum partners on day 1 do you think it's something more likely to be done by Scum or Town or do you think its null, I'm interested in your opinion

But you did use that as your basis for SR me and up until right now, upon being questioned by it, made no mention of your dislike for Vasex' s play thus far.

I think it's usually null, some players like to do it, some don't. I think it's better EV to do as scum because it essentially allows you to form two scum reads that you can push from that basis alone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't think Bella has tried to pocket me at all. In fact, she has outright questioned a few things that I've done in this game. This might seem arrogant but I don't think scum!Bella would want to draw my attention to her at all. She would pocket me and just kill me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The hypocrisy!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Someone state intent to hammer please.

We're 26 pages in already, that is plenty of D1 content.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's a lot of fluff and theory. I'm well aware of how to play this game but thanks for sharing, I guess?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes, I have.

In fact, I provided the reason for at least two people on this wagon to vote you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not my problem if you can't find it.

I have given reasons for my vote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum spartan me

What is it specifically that has caused your scum read? I can see you are not 100% convinced.

Not convinced of scum!Spartan either to be fair.

Just popping in quickly, I saw this and a thought occurred to me from reading your post, not saying 100% that BBT is doing this but what if scum are using the strategy of pushing on wagons to look townie to gain reads but are using it to try and get people to E-1 to try and get pr claims from town or at the very least not pr claims which would reduce their pool of potential people who to pick from for night 1 kill?

Great post.

Which is why we need to start getting somewhere with this Day. Have we had 3 E-1 wagons now, with no intent on any of them? That's strange to begin with and the more E-1 wagons we have with no flip, the less beneficial it becomes for Town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whiskey your last few posts don't make a lot of ssnse.

If you're town reading Vasex, you should be fighting the wagon. Not stating intent to hammer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

637 Another bad post. Hey guys, I can't be scum because look! Who am I scum with? It makes no sense right?

We don't need to find both scum on D1. We only need one. It also shows a potential thought process of scum!Vasex ensuring he mixes it up enough to a) disguise who his partner is well and b) possibly leave false positives.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

ugh
maybe im wrong in smth
but i'm too lazy even to think about it
i will update my view from some other perspectives emm in a couple of calendar days
too busy tomorrow

No time for this Vasex?

Still no time for this Vasex?

Any time for this yet Vasex?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Someone please hammer.

I'm begging you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You don't need time until day ends. You said you maybe had something wrong and needed to reevaluate (in what I suspect was an attempt to appease the 3 people who said your reads were not fluid and changing throughout the game). You tried to buy yourself time.

The problem is that you just don't know how to follow it up because your reads are completely fabricated. I won't let it go.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah.

But you managed to post an awful lot since then? I thought game solving would be high on your agenda if you're town, no?

Instead, you choose to defend yourself and call everyone scum who votes you :shrug:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's 3 new wagons Whiskey. Absolutely not going to happen at this point.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So you'll sit and spam to muddy waters for Town instead?

Somebody. Please. Eliminate this guy.

We have 27 pages already. This Day One is too big and the longer it goes the more hidden potentially vital information becomes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's flat out anti-town to start creating more wagons.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not really as you haven't claimed.

Nor should you as there has been no intent.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, they don't.

Because nobody stated intent to hammer you so you're not even close to getting eliminated.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you believe what you're saying, sure.

Maybe a lot has changed since I last played but intent to hammer was almost always posted before an actual hammer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know what to do.

Running up more wagons is just plain anti-town at this point. Have we had 3 wagons so far all at E-1 with no intent? Vasex, Spartan and Rad?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do we just have nervous scum in this game who won't commit to a wagon/hammer?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

scum!me cannot predict when it happens, so scum!me should claim pr asap to survive

I've been duped by this before but if you're scum you have played it well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Somnus, talk to me about your Rad scum read.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not 'literally any other wagon'. Not even close.

What's wrong with sheeping? You don't understand why I would question your vote on someone I am town reading? It should be obvious.

I am desperate to end Day One though and have stated why on muliple occasions.

Now, your scum read on Rad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You just give me a narrative of what happened.

Now tell me WHY it makes him scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, you didn't.

You told me what happened in the thread. I know what happened, I was there. Now tell me why what he did makes him scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You still haven't said why you think Rad is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Of course there is, explain why what Rad did makes him scum.

You just told me WHAT he did. You didn't tell me WHY it makes him scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because this is a Newbie, I'll spoon feed you.

Lots of little things. Potential greeting tell

What greeting tell and why is it scummy?

the "suspicions" he had on you when you first entered the game look fake and borderline partnered, especially with how quickly that fell apart (205 looks absurd, as does 209)

As I'm sure you can understand, given I am town, this makes 0 sense.

Let's say it is true though; what do scum!Rad and scum!BBT get from this? Why does scum!Rad vote scum!BBT when he starts coming under pressure!?

the exact note-taking style i used in my first scum game

Because all scum play the exact same way?

the drunken hissy fit upon getting voted, etc. etc. etc.

The drunken hissy fit is scum and not town because...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anyone seen BlueBlooded defend literally any other "wagon" like this?

Have you seen any of my other town reads getting wagoned?

I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of me not liking certain votes though. But that doesn't suit your narrative, of course.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You haven't answered anything I have written except to try and defend yourself.

Good stuff.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't say you were under any pressure at all.

I said you can't explain your scum read and have now moved onto a second scum read (Spartan, take note of what I said earlier about scum hunting scum teams) that you likely can't explain any better.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like, Rad is scum because BBT is scum and BBT is scum because Rad is scum, right?

Sums it all up pretty well?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Spartan is probably town, Bella.

I would compromise on Somnus but running up yet another wagon just doesn't seem good for Town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I learnt it from Thor myself! How strange! That's for post game though.

We do need to end this day phase. And quickly. I could do Somnus.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Intent to hammer Vasex.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Final reads Vasex?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Vasex

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Somnus

We can do this today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cheap's vote on Vasex wasn't great and it almost looked like a policy elim. The same could be said for Corwin's vote, too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@bbt, I was considering that but feels a bit hasty

What is stopping you from voting?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Corwin, where are you at right now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VCA is going to be difficult in general because of lack of VCs and sheer amount of wagons.

Bella, talk to me about Somnus

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You were scum reading me Day One, no?

Also, Somnus was pushing Rad for a long time without any basis for the read. Before switching onto me, without any basis for his read.

Wanna eliminate Somnus with me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, if anyone cares, I'd bet my life Rad is town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Actions speak louder than feelings.

I don't know what this means.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, how does any of that effect your read on me though?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But still scummy enough for you to fall back on if you're 'wrong'?

You're also willing to join your less scummy read on a wagon for today?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could elim Corwin today.

How you feel about that, Somnus?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cheap, those reads are not consistent with your earlier play.

You said Somnus was a top scum read for you early in the game and moved off of it just because he stopped pushing the game out of RVS? Despite worrying posts, he is now your top town read. I don't follow?

Also, you say Rad had a decent start to the game. Yet, at the start of the game, you voted Rad. What gives? I can't follow the progress on your reads.

The post regarding wagons was in relation to potential running up PRs (which didn't matter in the end as we ran up a PR and he didn't even claim). I didn't want brand new wagons forming incase we ended up outing a PR and felt like we needed to elim from the days wagons that had already reached L-1.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, please note Somnus' failure to explain pretty much anything which you haven't referenced at all in your read of him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No-one is saying Somnus should be playing perfect. I'm merely saying that Town!Somnus should at the very least be able to explain his scum reads. He couldn't explain the Rad read and when pushed on it, he switched to me, again with no explanation.

Explaining fabricated reads is difficult for scum.

On the note of you writing too much, I think it's clear what Bella meant? It's not the amount of posts you're making, it was the amount of words you were using to come out with null reads or just generally not saying a whole lot.

If Bella isn't getting eliminated today, who would you vote?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cheap, I'm really trying to see the progression on your Somnus read and I just can't.

The last thing you said about him was that his early play was dubious and weird (391) . I don't see anything else and then you come in Today with him as your biggest town read because unhappy Town?

Help me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Regarding Somnus' scum read, same question to you Cheap - why is a particular style of posting scummy (hint, it's not). Secondly, his 'dat timing though' is again off the basis of Scum!Rad defending Scum!BBT which as I am sure you understand, I have a problem understanding.

Find something in Somnus' read that isn't Rad is scum because BBT is scum and vice versa.

If he has given reasons, find reasons for his scum read on me. You're basically saying Somnus had a dubious start, has scum reads with weak reasoning and he's your top town read. This read is super forced, you're clutching at straws to town read Somnus and I'm not sure what it means.

Bella's observation isn't uninteresting and weak if you consider scum like to make busy looking posts and the more words you use the busier you look. I believe I referenced your posting style early in the game, too.

You can't eliminate me, I'm towns only hope in this game. Influence = scummy? The nightkill looks bad for me, sure. It wouldn't have been my choice if I were scum, but sure, I understand the perspective.

You're not impressed with me pushing you towards Somnus because you're not paying attention to what I'm saying. Or because you're desperate not to eliminate Somnus. If it's the latter, given the reasoning for your town read, I find this incredibly hard to understand.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm surprised he's not pushing me as much as he normally does, I'm a bit worried he's asking for my opinion/reaching out to me so frequently in a pockety way. Him not being the nk doesn't mean anything, as this was not a widely town read slot.

I don' t think this is fair, Bella! I tried to interact with you a fair bit on entry into the game. I pushed you on a couple of things and when I tried to push you on the RVS shutdown early game you shouted at me!

In addition to that, you're seeing a lot of the same things I am seeing in the game and I'm happy you're looking at the game from the same perspective as I am.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Of course. Had to get Vasxex and Spartan out of the way first. I knew what you were doing the last time I interacted with you, and I called it. I got bored listening to bullshit, had things to do, and called the pivot which promptly took place almost immediately. You still had to leave that doubt about the Somnus slot open for Day 2 though. You didn't have the votes with Vassex or Spartan still alive. Pretty basic stuff for any townie with a pulse to understand at this point.

Go back and look at Vassex and Spartan's strongest town read, folks. Go back and look at who they were scum-reading. Go back and look at the fact that BlueBlooded went from trying to eliminate Spartan after 7 posts and a few hours after replacing in to pretending to town-read him.

Why are you acting as if you were some huge town read for Spartan? You're spinning a few things from thread in a very specific way. You're acting like I was Vasex's biggest scum read - he scum read EVERYBODY who voted for him. I can find posts where he says I might not be scum and where he changes mind on his town reads. He was all over the place.

Tell me, why does Scum!BBT unvote Vasex when he is at L-1?

This is now the 2nd person trying to throw shade at me based on the NK. They can't both be scum because that's way too obvious a plan to start the day with. Someone help me.

Trying to paint me as scum because my read evolved on a player is genuinely hilarious. Look guys, he thought he was scum and then changed his mind and thought he was town! How scummy is that!

Also, the pivot you called in 709 was supposed to act as a deterrent because you knew I had voted and pushed you all the way back in 481 (even earlier before the actual vote). Don't try to act like this push on you has come out of nowhere.

How great is it going to be if this is BlueBlood openly protecting his partner and then throwing in a random townie to protect as well to try and make it look not suspicious?

Oh, I see. Am I scum with Cheap, now? Doesn't matter who I'm scum with, right? Just so long as you can try to get me out of this game. Is Rad town now?

"Don't think about it, guys. Ignore the evidence in front of you. Trust me. It doesn't matter. Anyway, look over here!"

What evidence? Do you have some VCA thoughts to share?

I'd be curious to hear how you went from "Somnus is obvious town and I don't know why anyone is voting for them" to THIS after seeing the player who lock-towned me get quick-hammered presumably by 2 scum and 3 village idiots, and then seeing the other player who had me as one of, if not their top town-read, night-killed.

This presumption from Somnus about wagon composition is worth keeping in mind if he flips red. It would have been VERY EASY for scum to avoid that Vasex wagon and let it go through.

Again, show me where Spartan had you as such a strong town read. I lobe how you're acting as if scum killing someone to make someone else look bad is entirely impossible. Or that they were killed for being one of the most widely town read players.

You literally spent the entire day trying to immediately push through any wagon except Rad, cut off town information when we could have used up to 10 days to gather information and make better reads, and then quick-hammered a player who by Monday was so painfully town it wasn't even funny...and that player flipped PR. And then claimed that more wagons would be harmful for town. If Vassex was a policy vote, you're that times 10. I can't even hold it against you assuming you're scum. I don't blame you for taking advantage of how laughably clueless this town is.

I mean, I tried to wagon Rad so I'm not sure what you're talking about? I spent Day One pushing wagons because that's what you're supposed to do on D1. That is where you get the most information possible for town. There is, of course, a limit to how many wagons you can push before it becomes more beneficial to scum, which is why I didn't want any new wagons forming towards the end of the Day.

Vasex was never a policy vote for me, I gave my reasons for scum reading him.

If he has given reasons, find reasons for his scum read on me. You're basically saying Somnus had a dubious start, has scum reads with

weak reasoning

and he's your top town read. This read is super forced, you're clutching at straws to town read Somnus and I'm not sure what it means.

Stop suggesting I think Somnus's reasons are good. I think he gave them, and you're saying he didn't. I don't think they're good, or Somnus' play is good, I've stated this repeatedly. I just think it's new town play.

This is not forced at all. You haven't actually asked anything about my tr on Somnus, a lot of which is based on tone. You're asking why I don't have the same thought processes as you, when you're not actually reading Somnus' posts.

I literally showed you a reason he read rad as scum that has nothing to do with you. And if he actually thought the thing Vasex found might be a scumslip, he would have a reason to believe you were scum that had nothing to do with Rad. Again, I don't think any of his reasons have value, but he gave them. Why is this difficult for you to understand? Do you just want me to post a bunch defending Somnus?

I literally say right here (in italics, bold and underlined to make it abundantly clear) that you say he had weak reasons. I'm saying, that literally makes 0 sense. You're town reading someone who, in your own words, had a dubious start and has scum reads with weak reasoning. So WHERE does the town read come from because the reasons you gave are reasons to SCUM READ someone.

In 816 I literally ask you to help me understand your read on Somnus. The one reason you showed me for Rad was that 'Rad was taking notes like Somnus did as scum.' You acknowledge this reasoning is poor and yet use it as justification for a read? Again, I'm confused. The 'scum-slip' had everything to do with me because a) it was me who posted it and b) Somnus voted Rad on the presumption that scum!Rad had posted in thread to defend scum!BBT from said scum slip.

Again, it's not a problem understanding you think Somnus gave weak reasons for a read. My problem is how these weak reasons don't translate into a scum read because that's literally what scum do. They have to force scum reads on people they know are town and so they generally have weak, poorly thought out reasons. BUT YOU'RE NOT SEEING THIS?!?!?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anything on Somnus, Rad?

Also, what do you think Bella's reasoning for being on the Vasex wagon was?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I was also scum reading Vasex. I asked you what Bella's reasoning was for voting him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

447

Also, 469, 471, 545 culminating in 562 and there are some reasons after this, too.

PEdit - @Rad

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's good stuff from Whiskey.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks @BBT, those seem reasonable. TBF you do post a lot so it was hard for me to find a coherent reason. I appreciate you doing it for me

Similar reasoning to Bellas. I think it's fair.

I was more making note that I had in fact produced the reasoning first and yet my position on the Vasex wagon seems questionable to some

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can I be town now, Bella?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Damn. Who would you have killed?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, I'm pretty sure scum are here; Somnus, Cheap, Corwin.

Somnus/Cheap unlikely to be scum together? I don't see both of them planning to throw shade on me with the NK analysis. Cheap's heavy defence of his Somnus townread still makes very little sense to me. On the flip side, I felt like Somnus avoided me D1 and now is trying to pair me with anyone, just so long as he gets the wagon through on me.

Somnus has also provided very little throughout the game outside of Vasex obvtown duh, Rad scum (tunnel) BBT scum (tunnel).

The common factor though is Corwin, who could be scum with either, so I guess we just eliminate him and then go from there?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Corwin

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whiskey, I'll save you some time.

Name me a more widely town read player than Spartan at end of D1, continuing on to name me a harder mislim than Spartan. I'll wait.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is good stuff, Rad. I’ll take a closer look at it much later today (Friday) and let you know my thoughts.

Good stuff? It was literally a narrative post saying what happened D1 haha.

Attempt to buddy/pocket Rad, noted.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can someone show me some scum hunting from Corwin since he came into the game?

I feel like I don't really know where he stands and we're 35 pages into a game and midway through D2. Doesn't seem right.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, I suspect you would come under just as much scrutiny as me tbf. I've already said the NK makes me look bad, I'm under no illusion.

The fact someone I am scum reading opened the day with that angle as well gives me even more reason to try and shut that down.

NKA, in general, is extremely unreliable. There are a number of reasons scum do things and a lot of it just falls into WIFOM territory.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Somnus and Cheap are using similar angles and even similar phrasing in some cases to push me.

1 of these is almost definitely scum. I think Cheap has copied Somnus twice now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll need to wait until I'm on my PC.

But both of you have tried to throw shade my way based on the NK and both of you have used language similar to 'hey, don' t look at this, it makes me look bad but look at this over here instead'

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bad unvote.

Need pressure.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whiskey, who is saying VCA will be useless?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The relevance of people being on wagons needs pointing out as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cheap and Corwin's votes for Vasex were by far the worst. The problem with this is that it doesn't necessarily make them scum.

As I stated earlier, it would have been very easy for scum to sit back and watch Vasex basically self implode and beg the town to eliminate him. It
wasn't a wagon, or elimination, that scum needed to push or be a part of.

One thing that does stick out is Cheap's vote on Vasex after I unvoted. Like he didn't want the hammer because, in his own words, he forced me to eliminate Vasex.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think Cheap is the easy vote here, so I'm suspicious of it. I also relate to his posts really easily, especially his vote at 727.

Hmm, this has pinged me.

Rad, talk to me about Cheap being the 'easy vote'

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cheap was an easy target? Has Cheap come under any real pressure today, I'd say no. So the easy target thing isn't adding up. A lot of people, myself included, are talking about how bad Cheap's vote was etc. But nobody is actually doing anything about it.

I said VCA would be difficult Whiskey, I said nothing about it being useless. The lack of VCs always makes VCA difficult as it's much more effort to track votes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Posting and votes are two different things, no? Sure, a lot of people are accusing Cheap and pointing fingers.

But what are they DOING about it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And my call out for Cheap being inconsistent had nothing to do with the vote that you're referring to in terms of him being 'easy' today. It was in regards to his read progressions.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

In fact, the amount of finger pointing and lack of action might actually mean Cheap is town

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I wanted Vasex gone more than I cared about your reasoning. Until of course he flipped green and then I cared more about your reasoning.

That's how voting/wagons/flips work.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Way too many people not voting.

Yucky.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Voting is town's best weapon. How do you know where people's views lie if they don't use their strongest weapon?

Also, when people don't vote and create wahons/pressure

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ffs, trying to edit. I hate phone posting.

Wagons/pressure it usually leads to flash wagons/flash eliminations which are next to useless in terms of analysis.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

For example; we have 6 hours before deadline and no elimation.

Person A scum reads X and Y but because there are only 6 hours left and there are no viable wagons on either of those reads he has to vote Z and shrug. Person A is scum and is scot free.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I agree, there is no need for a hammer.

There is a need to clearly see where everyone is at right now in the game though. Again, time runs out quickly. 6 hours is an extreme deadline, could quite easily happen with 2 or 3 days left.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What are the odds Scum!Cheapside asked his scum partner Scum!BBT to remove his vote so that he can join the wagon less suspiciously than if he had hammered out of nowhere. Making it look better with BBT who is aleady on the wagon hammering?

Could it be possible for cheapside to be doing some distancing from his missing teammate? So when they reappeared or replaced he would have already put out feelers of trying to eliminate the slot?

I haven't read all of Somnus' post yet. In fact, I couldn't read past the first paragraph because of the blatant MISREP of Spartan.

Above are the last two posts from Spartan. CLEARLY speculating about a BBT/Cheap team or a Cheap/Corwin team.

So, yeah. That's not a good start at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, he states that me and Bella are scum because we were on both conf town wagons...so was Cheap. I'm not sure what the difference is?

I'm not going through the entire post and snipping quotes etc because time. I'll respond where necessary but that post is awful and there is a lot of misrep/flat out false narrative.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Please read my posts Rad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Where did he say that? Show me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How early are we talking? Because in 576 he talks about one of Bella/myself being scum and pocketing the other as town.

This would imply that he no longer scum read both slots, if indeed he did at all. Further to that, referencing a super early post to create a mid D2 push is beyond awful.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mentions it even earlier in 307

What the fuck is going on here