Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You | Endgame

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i will be later, not today. too lazy and also busy

here is mafia
VOTE: ItalianoVD

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I like cheapside's entrance, he is town

1st page, 1 scum, 1 town, ez pz

have fun people

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italiano, everybody thinks you are mafia because of "Italy" in your nickname

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you want to hear smth funny? I need to find new avatar for myself, because admins deleted my previous one. there was a photo of Tarantino

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and before i left, please tell me who of new players have never played this game before even once or two?

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1. How long have you played the game of mafia, not just on this site, but ever?
2. Do you like playing the role of town or mafia better?
3. Are you an active poster or a lurker?
4. Do you find it hard to lie or it something you have no issues with?

1. about a week, im newbie
2. yes
3. lurker
4. no

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nope

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1. January.
2. Literally never been town before until today

how many games? this is strong! we found one more townie, ladies and gentlemen and X

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You sure? Your profile tells a very different story.

it was hacked

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i definitely play this day with somnus. if he is mafia 4th time in row, it... still worth it - we should support this poor cursed guy with everything we can

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So another user with a similar posting style to yours played on the same account in Newbie 2055, Large 232, and posted over 1800 times over the last 16 months, but you just started playing a week ago? That's what we're going with, correct? I just want to be sure.

my lawyer recommends me not to answer this question

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VOTE: Vasex

god dam what have i done wrong!

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somnus, i was talking about russian hackers
you know, not simple ones, but from russia
it explains everything in my profile, everything there should be ignored

Hello! I haven't played in like... 8 years. First time on this forum. Old games were on teamliquid's site. I'll be most active late night EST. Looking forward to catching up on the thread later tonight!

hi! if you have any problems and questions, just ask somnus about them, he is townie and he has so much energy, that he can create a black hole and destroy us all, so he will help you, you can sheep him and do everything he does with no thinking at all

good night, people!

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i'm so sleepy, i cannot even read.

SOMNUS TOWN

and i find it difficult to change my vote from italiano, i have some glitch or bug with these buttons
unvote
UNVOTE
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eh, it doesnt work, smth is broken, i will contact admins

see you soon after 12-15 hours, i will bring some fresh thoughts i hope

i go sleep

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Literally spent the 45 necessary seconds to catchup on the minimal activity since I was last on and was going to say very slight scum-lean on Italiano based on a ~~VIBE~~ and now that's almost completely irrelevant. Wonderful.

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VOTE: Somnus

I respect your scum game.

you scum
somnus town
i've already said it few times

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vibes
ez

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is she in your PT with you?

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ok, mq.bosco is townie

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chepside, could you please stop voting somnus? i don't think anybody of you two is a scum

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i did it on the second, but i still don't know how is with you

my townreads: somnus, cheapside, bosco, maybe bella, rad
some of them are not very townie, but i don't want to elim them

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i still don't know how is with you

who is with you

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ok, mq.bosco is townie

How are you getting this read? She has posted very little and her posts read null to me.

yeah it is difficult with her in every game
but she scumreads italiano a bit, and he votes her and he is lying that they are together in one PT, so I guess he is just scum, and she is not

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you are rather nervous that i sr you, aren't you?

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where should I vote then, to make you feel better?

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do you know that voting smb only because he scumreads you and also adding the vote to a bigger wagon - this is scummy thing?

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Vasex

: meming but active, helped create content. Also townread me rapidly, so definitely town.

Are you joking about "Also townread me rapidly, so definitely town."?

yeah that sounds suspicious from cheap...

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guys, dont make 5 votes on anybody too early please

we don't need to end the day so fast

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i almost haven't read it yet because i'm busy in other game, there is some action in the late game and i'm thinking only about it, but it will end soon (maybe today)

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Eh, the only one I felt was actually a scum read was rad and the smilies weakned how seriously I took it. I took vasex to be more talking about msq.

Actually z vasex, is that some sort of meta thing on msq? Can you explain?

i know her, i gave her a link to this forum, but im not an expert to understand her, we are playing with her three games right now (2 here, 1 other forum), and everywhere I dont understand what role does she have, and we are alive everywhere, but 1 game is going to end very soon. we are from russian forums

guys, i need some time to finish 1 game and then i will be here more active; im trying to read here, but it is too difficult to do it right now... on our forum there are too fast days and nights and many huge roles with many abilities and i need much time to think there. and the situation changes there pretty fast every day. Banner Saga setting, btw, and I'm a big fan of this set, I administated the most popular pubic group in vk social media about this game, and now im playing in mafia with this lore, and now there are final days of the game, so...

usually im an active player, and she is always lurker
we've never played before with her 1 full game, but i saw one

right now she is in good mood here and - you dont believe/understsnd me - more talkative in her almost one post ( ), so i prefer to think that she is town, but im not sure, i just dont want to elim her here on day 1

and she also noticed that italiano's behaviour is changed here, so right now im not playing with italiano and i dont think that they are together; though i have no solid colors right now except somnus

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im active now in large normal 239 (alt over90) , quite busy there , there is the end of day one, i will catch up here later , guys

don't listen to me much here, about my town/scum reads, i need to read quite a lot here and to update opinion here, i will be later

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and once again please - don't hurry up with 5 votes anywhere before i read

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mq.bosco has been prodded. She has 24 hours to make a game-relevant post or I'll be forced to replace her.

typical bosco for any role

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guys, you are awesome, im starting to read about russian hackers here
maybe again from page one
i almost forgot first impressions, but this is ok

im not sure that bosco will return, she is dissappeared not only from this game

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i definitely play this day with somnus. if he is mafia 4th time in row, it... still worth it - we should support this poor cursed guy with everything we can

VOTE: Vasex

VOTE: Vasex

god dam what have i done wrong!

Ngl: easiest vote of my short town-life.

i laugh my ass off every time i read this
everybody who cannot see here two townies - is not human

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Come on man, I was gonna claim scum and now I have to lie about being town!

one of the most scummy posts of italiano
too showy
he is trying to show how brave he is, crazy and free like townie, but i feel the smell of fear behind these words

it is in fact claiming a scum on the second page, why a simple townie does smth like that? no reason, just to pretent being townie, there are no other reason
and he is telling this directly to me maybe hoping that such kind of humor is townie for me, but it's not

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italiano, everybody thinks you are mafia because of "Italy" in your nickname

Italy is not in my nickname. Ali is though.

he is trying to have the same mood as me and others, making jokes, but this is hard art to be a comedian, when you are mafia scum
jokes are rather strained (not sure that i've translated this word correctly, but maybe you've get it)

i also didnt like the first post (questions) of Italiano, it looked like he saw firsts big posts of other people (which are not bad) and tried to make smth like that fastly;
though i need to say, that i also wanted to ask a question to everybody about experience. it is useful. so i did it there

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A mafia win is way more satisfying than a town win though!

btw most people don't agree with that. strange. but it is null here

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I enjoy town better. Town is more fun

especially after these words. maybe even not null... eh...

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but they're definitely my top scumread right now.

this was like a cold shower for me when i've read this (this is about somnus; vasex, italiano and wd called him town before that)
because i considered cheap was town for his first post, and then we've got this
though it is kinda townie thing not to agree with everybody else bravely, playing against other opinions
so still town yeah

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may i not read posts of somnus anymore? he is town, lets close this topic forever.

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more and more i read bella
more and more i like him
but i hate when i cannot explain myself why
he is just talking so free and easy, and so much, this is so good
but this is a bad argument in further game, i need to find smth more later

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Who has said anything about vasex being "too scummy to be scum"? Did I miss that?

i guess he was talking about Cheap, who said immediately, that i'm obv town

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rad and wd are doing some unneccessary activity, too much empty noise (i'm on page 4 and quite tired bc of them)
fake activity? will see

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Somnus v-v-very interesting and - suddenly - make me feel nervous. Don't know why. You, Bella, looks towny. Italiano playing not like another game in which I can see him. Vasex is joking like towny. But I can't say that I have some reasons to give scum-role to somebody at this moment.

i liked this post so much. it is pity that that her activity is so low / completely dead

"i liked it" doesn't mean a solid town here. but i feel that we have similar thoughts here about previous pages, but we need to remember that even if she is talking right, playing with right people against right people, it doesn't mean that scum cannot do it

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Vasex could you please get a pfp?

u mean avatar under nickname? no, it was deleted by evil admins! the picture hurts people. i dont want to hurt people anymore
i'm not hurting people anymore and it feels good
there was rather simple picture of tarantino with his gun, aiming to his head

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Somnus v-v-very interesting and - suddenly - make me feel nervous. Don't know why. You, Bella, looks towny. Italiano playing not like another game in which I can see him. Vasex is joking like towny. But I can't say that I have some reasons to give scum-role to somebody at this moment.

Hello! What alignment was Italiano in the game you're referring to? What do you see him doing differently in this game?

im active now in large normal 239 (alt over90)

here

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btw he is replacing there too
i'm not fully sure, who is he there, but i consider him town there, and not here (not solid thoughts)
he was VERY active on first calendar days of game
here his behaviour is rather strange comparing with that. i agree with bosco about that, but im trying not to play with meta, especially when 1) i don't know italiano well 2) i don't know his role in both current games
we (with bosco) have never played before with him (i guess... maybe i dont remember), and for bosco these two games are first on this forum at all

and i also wasn't very active here, playing other games, so maybe we just shouldn't think about activity etc. for now

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Like Vasex is the only player I know from the list.

strange that he didn't mention bosco, but it is difficult to say i know bosco, because even i don't know bosco well

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Yup and wanted to see who would jump on me.

ah, i see

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I don't really think italiano thinks anyone would jump on that statement, so that whole interaction is weird to me.

nice

VOTE: msq bosco

not nice
im joking, i dont care

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Day One's are boring though and I'd like to speed the process up.

scummy

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speeding up is profitable ONLY for scums ALWAYS
because it will be more difficult for players to solve the game (to find townies, to find scums)

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Pedit - I really don't want to read.

scummy

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What is your opinion of your scum-game, Somnus?

i think i've already seen that stupid question wtf, why do you need that from him? just some useless offtopic - just to make fake activity and illusion of willing to solve the game

scums are usually boring to read the thread and solve the game, because they've already known everything!

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You wanna start a wagon with me?

in vacuum this is a towny question usually, especially after repeating it often to players, and analysing their answers (scum can easily agree with that - and this is bad sometimes)

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Also, let me rephrase an earlier question.

How do you expect your town game to differ from your scum game?

Hard to say less than 48 hours in. Less concerned with my potential death, I guess? I don't really know how to answer that.

somnus rocks for townie , he is a top player here

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mafia dont know what to do with somnus, they are hidding and replacing theirselves asap

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I have been playing this on and off since 2015, a couple games every 2 years, think my first game was with Bella in 2015 and my second was with our almighty mod Humaneatingmonkey in 2017, so its fair to say im pretty rusty.

rusty? i'm t-rex then

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if i skip someone's post , it means null read, nothing to say
like spartan's entrance

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my townreads: somnus, cheapside, bosco, maybe bella, rad
some of them are not very townie, but i don't want to elim them

yeah, confirmed, after rereading nothing changes before my 152 post
maybe i'm too hurry to add rad in townlist, i need to be more careful with this slot

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and also with bosco
but good good

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I get a feeling of truthfulness on Somnus's scumhunting pressing on Vasex, one thing Somnus would struggle with being his first townie game is to find legitimate reads.
As scum it doesnt matter if your reads dont actually result in an elim its more about deception and shifting blame or attention elsewhere away from the scum team, town can miselim someone so long as scum keep the attention off themselves.
So when we are town our reads matter more and is then on everyone else to try and distinguish whos reads are trying to scumhunt and whos are casting a shroud or push attention elsewhere.
This is partly why I feel it is more townie to not care if you are scumread and play to get reactions and get reads from people even if it results in you being eliminated because that gives town more to work with Day 2 rather than flat stagnant Day 1 with no leads for Day 2.

Personally I am town leaning Somnus, Vasex and Cheapside.

I am mostly null on the other slots need to spend more time analysing Bella and Toffees posts, I dont see how there is enough to get much of a read from Bosco, Whiskey and Cheapside although I liked Cheapsides posts. I felt a townie lean on Italiano but im not so sure on his replacement Toffee

Currently I am happy to put my vote on VOTE: Rad

i'm falling asleap reading this, but his position is almost fine. townlean italiano is rather bad, but rad is susp (bella susps him too), and the list of townies is good i think. for the second post - almost rvs - not bad for now

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So this guy comes in first thing, uninterested in reading a meager 5 pages to catch up, tries to get a wagon vote going with the basis of "nothing else to do day 1", lays a vote on Somnus because he "respects his scum game" of which the guy's had a whole 2 wins and 1 loss... and in the process paints himself as scum. I was already leaning scum on Italiano, who he's replacing.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

goood goooood

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oh, i forgot to say! english proverbs!

Come on man, I was gonna claim scum and now I have to lie about being town!

is she in your PT with you?

Yes.

Birds of a feather flock together.
They are cut from the same cloth.
Did you see that?
This slot has already scumclaimed twice on first pages of the game !

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Somnus:

Honestly confusing. Guess I'd better look through their scum games at some point. In some ways I'd expect weirder takes from Town!Somnus than Scum!Somnus. Irritation seems genuine.

Bellaphant: active, worked through the Vasex thing, tried to calm things down, stop anything exploding D1. Probably town unless scum with Somnus or very keen on eliminating a strong town player.
Vasex: meming but active, helped create content.

Also townread me rapidly, so definitely town.

Rad: Dubious, lots of fluff with little commitment - weak general or uninteresting questions, calls to town to post more, kinda nothingy posts like 100, 98, 95. I'm leaning scum. Okay, his last post was a commitment, it was a vote on blue and a weak attack on mq. The other way around might have been something, but...
Italiano/BlueBlooded: Not sure. Italiano pointing out that nobody picked up on his joking scumclaim... weird. Odd try for townie-points? Blue agressively pushing for a wagon, feels like a strong vet, won't be easily read D1.
mqbosco: she hasn't been around a great deal. Interactions have involved noncomittal townreads.

Without more posts to actually base an analysis on, I would actively seek the elimination here.

I've seen scum lurk to a win before, it's not a fun time.
whiskydelta: has... four posts? Haven't found a way to filter the thread for their posts. Hasn't done much.

Would be my policy elimination if we didn't have less from mqbosco.

Need to see more.
Jackal/Spartan: Obviously jackal doesn't exist.

Spartan hasn't had time for much yet but I like his posting style

. Odd that he feels the need to monologue on what's happening, but hey, maybe that's just how he gets his thoughts together. Townlean on the newer players, esp. me, a bit suspect. It's not like I'm going to just do what he likes because he townread me. Aaaaanyway,

things i dont like in this readlist

well, i dont know about whole picture. i somehow liked heavy brave attack to Rad, though i cannot say that i think in the same way...

the most bad thing here in my opinion - that he is going (AND VERY READY) to elim the most inactive slots like bosco and WD... really? seriously? counting their posts to elim the lurkest one? this is very scummy. BUT, on the other hand, 1) he can motivate them to post more, this is townie thing, at least can be 2) he can be a newbie (from my view), who really thinks that this is a key to victory for town - to elim all people, who almost have no posts (and he can have experience that proves this is often true) 3) and i need to say that sometime mafia is lurking and it is possible to hit it eliming such slots; but usually this is not so easy, my friends ; however it is better to elim towny low-active player, than towny top-poster on day 1... well, this is not important talks, because it is always better to search for mafia with good arguments. If all mafia is situated in low-posters, then before eliming them you need to find and prove all other active players as townies

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@rad, I said most of what I wanted to say in response to bbt about you ; I like your longer, content posts but your 'wake up town' and trying to extend rqs feels really pointless and 'look at me, I'm so town' (lamist).

bella is good
im afraid of him if he is mafia, bc for now he is really strong in the thread
scary

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Rad

: Dubious, lots of fluff with little commitment - weak general or uninteresting questions, calls to town to post more, kinda nothingy posts like 100, 98, 95. I'm leaning scum. Okay, his last post was a commitment, it was a vote on blue and a weak attack on mq. The other way around might have been

something

, but...

I'd like to respond to your assessment of me directly.

My posts and reasons:
100 - I was curious what his response would be. Aren't you? I mean, if someone jumped on him for his obvious joke, how would you read that? I would read it null. So what was his goal? I was trying to get him to explain it openly which would be good content IMO (particularly because I don't think there could have been a good explanation, making his whole plan obvious nonsense fluff trying to look useful).

98 - I felt his list had no real use beyond getting people to talk, which isn't necessarily scummy considering we were at the start of day 1, but explaining more about why he chose those questions in particular could create content. It's very difficult for scum to explain something like that in my experience.

95 - Again, I'm trying to get him to explain why no one jumping on him even matters. Someone jumping on him for that isn't a scum tell, so what's his point? I wanted him to spell it out so we can understand him better.

I have a null read on you right now, though this assessment post is better than your first, where I felt you were just summarizing events (an easy way to look useful). I'm going to have to read it a few times over the course of the day so I can better understand your thoughts on everyone else, but I wanted to get a response about your thoughts of me out there sooner than later.

im not sure you should explain everything of this with so many words... eh, i dont know...

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@rad, I said most of what I wanted to say in response to bbt about you ; I like your longer, content posts but your 'wake up town' and trying to extend rqs feels really pointless and 'look at me, I'm so town' (lamist).

Fair. Scum can do that too, for sure. I did try to get the activity ball rolling though with my questions about when people can be expected to be more active, and trying to get everyone to agree that lurker town is dead town. Maybe I jumped the gun and lurking wasn't really going to be a big issue here, but I had just seen 12 hours pass with nothing happening at all, and our most active poster (somnus) was taking a 24 hour break for the sake of us talking about something else besides him and vasex (not helpful imo, just reinforces lurker town). Looks like most of the activity might end up happening while I'm sleeping

i feel you are nervous about this situation
but it can be towny too

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Pretty sure I only used v before, not sure what's happened.

Will let Mod sort it. I just voted for you, though.

Yes, I know you did You should probably explain why, but hey, that's your call, scum

i dunno, i have feeling that BBT and Rad can do distancing here

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You used the other slash.

i dont understand this

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As a counter, I would suggest forming wagons and encouraging participation is a townie thing to do. I would also suggest getting people to use their votes (towns strongest weapon) is also important for later in the game (if you believe VCA is a thing)

first good thing from bbt, but it's null honestly

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Rads #160 & #161 he spends a lot of time defending himself more worried about others opinion on him which is more of a scumtell. I personally didnt like his #91 on the surface it can look townie to try and get engagement from other players but its easy for scum to do when general engagement is low. Posting frequently doesnt indicate town, scum both want to go under the radar but they also want to dictate the conversation and point away from themselves and their partner.

I didn't like the questions trying to get everyone to tell you what time they are available can easily lead to calling someone out when they werent here at the time they had originally said they would be available which could be down to anything irl not just that they are lurking etc.

Additionally asking a generic question to everyone on who has had the most relevant input and least relevant input so far imo is trying to get others to do their scumhunting for them, rather than saying to someone what do you think of this post in question and does it effect your read on them. I just dont like asking who has the least relevant input especially so early on in the game when some people have barely posted it just seems lazy to me.

I'm gonna say this now, I think there is 1 scum between Rad and BlueBloodedToffee but I dont think they are a scumteam. I dont think Rads first move after some pressure is applied to him is to vote his scumpartner.

good post, nice

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Vasex not jumping on the wagon for me is super townie. Him doing so could be a funny meme, consistent with his play so far, where he just does what the guy asked him to do, but it puts me in range (4 votes) of being hammered by scum (5 votes). Not worth the laughs.

Top town reads for me right now are Bella and Vasex. The more I'm reading Cheapside the more I lean town, but I have my reservations.

honestly, i wasn't in game almost (very rarely i'm pried into this thread; but my thoughts were somewhere else)

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Vasex

: meming but active, helped create content. Also townread me rapidly, so definitely town.

Are you joking about "Also townread me rapidly, so definitely town."?

yeah that sounds suspicious from cheap...

Referring to your 150 was it enough to change your opinion of cheapside potentially see a scum team of Cheapside and BlueBloodedToffee?

i dont know what to say, cheap is not solid town for me, there are some problems with that

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I'm gonna say this now, I think there is 1 scum between Rad and BlueBloodedToffee but I dont think they are a scumteam.

why not scumteam? possible

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Vasex not jumping on the wagon for me is super townie.

This is wrong but probably makes you town.

UNVOTE:

ha ha

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i'd say "at least 1 scum between them" this is the best conclusion about that situation

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UNVOTE:

Been thinking about this all day. I'm losing confidence in my scum read for BlueBloodedToffee.

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That's more than can be said about mq's input. So I'll give her some more time to participate and then park my vote on her if it's not sufficient.

poor bosco
press F

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A fantastic idea.

The only flaw is waiting to use your vote.

is it from your PT?

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@BlueBloodedToffee I think you were talking to me with that accidental quote? So in response, I don't want to park my vote on mq until she's had a chance to respond to everything that's happened since her last visit. She's a null read for me and maybe she's just busy and hasn't gotten a chance to participate. I'm fine with not voting someone right now, we have time to let the lurkers catch up.

Yeah, I get that.

Usually, you get better content from people when they are more likely to feel under pressure to produce something.

Be brave.

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Before whiskey posts his next 4...

I want to say there's a strong potential for Bella/whiskey scum team.

His reads:

Bella - just love
Somnus - leaves shade
Cheap - buddying up to cheap. Is it because cheap is putting in analysis effort?
Vasex - leaves shade

Non-commital. No strong takes. There's a ton of content in this game already, I expect more here.

Yikes.

Jumping the gun a bit, aren't we? I haven't even finished lol

I think it's fair to give my read based on what you've given so far, even if you haven't finished But please, finish! I give my reads based on all available information at the moment, so the more information, the better.

do you know each other well? friends? your talking between both of you is very suspicious for me

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@BlueBloodedToffee I think you were talking to me with that accidental quote? So in response, I don't want to park my vote on mq until she's had a chance to respond to everything that's happened since her last visit. She's a null read for me and maybe she's just busy and hasn't gotten a chance to participate.

I'm fine with not voting someone right now, we have time to let the lurkers catch up.

You went from this...

...to this within a couple of hours. you're definitely overthinking things but I think this probably makes you Town too.

hmmm

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Here I am givingpointless not game related info: I really like reading games backwards, especially after day one, as I find it easier to see progression.

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bella, i think you are a wise penguin, please read all my today's posts
i think you was little confused
maybe from my perspective you will see other interesting things in the game
consider it is a little defense of spartan for a while
look how bbt was happy to add his vote here
and how rad is making a huge case on you
is it ok for u?

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Also, if you are going to 'throw shade' at my slot, you should probably stop sheeping my votes

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TMI

forget this word

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I wouldn't have signed up again if I were terrified of rolling scum again.

good attitude, mafia players should never afraid of getting the role they don't like; if they have some problems with this role, they should think how to solve these problems

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This EXACT style of note-taking every little thing is what I did in my first game on-site as scum and it got me hardcore town-read. Never had a vote on me the entire game. Pull up my ISO from Newbie 2087 and take a brief look, particularly Days 1 and 2. Something to consider.

bravo

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Quick temporary reads:

Town: Spartan, BlueBlooded
Null: Whiskey, Bella, Bosco, Vasex
Scum: Rad, Cheapside

bbt is a scum

[Vasex]

Alright, I'm reasonably happy with my town reads on Rad and Cheap. I think Bella and maybe Whiskey can be town, too.

see? bbt is a scum

[Vasex]

Alright Bella, I don't understand the progression on Somnus and you didn't respond to my accusation of you trying to prolong RVS but I also don't want to get into it because I think you're probably town and I'm happy for us to lynch Spartan.

You're happy to eliminate someone who has made 7 posts? how very townie of you?

Your votes seem to shift like the wind in a hurricane, I'm not even certain if you yourself know where your next move will be?

Yeah, I get that.

Usually, you get better content from people when they are more likely to feel under pressure to produce something.

Be brave.

I like that you understand the need to apply pressure with votes to get people to produce content which is pretty standard but I don't feel like when you vote you come with any gumption it always seems pretty week and often sheeping on the back of a wagon without any originality of your own.

Mod, can we get a VC on next page please?

You asked our mod here for a Vote count total which you got in (so you cant claim to not know of the vote tally) 179 then after Cheapside voted me with a breakdown of his reasoning in 211
We see Rad vote Bella in 214 and then ask cheapside to change their vote from me to Bella in 220 which while I didn't like I could imagine Bella getting worried about a train forming on her and before Cheapside is able to respond to Rad she votes me with her reasoning being she doesnt get town pings and that my scum read of BBT comes out of nowhere not taking into account it was my second post on the forum. Surely for my scum read to come out of nowhere I would have needed to had frequently posted before and interacted with BBT and my stance on him to suddenly change without any explanation?

he seemed to think there were at least 3 slots scum reading him.

Those three scum reads kinda come out of nowhere too.

Well, vasex's doesn't, but Spartans really seems to.

I then thought it was very interesting that after Bella votes me to build a wagon and get the attention off her, like clockwork BBT jumps on the wagon putting me to E-1 with his post below, baring in mind he had asked for a vote count and waited till cheapside and bella had voted to jump on with again no reasoning, if it was to apply pressure to get someone moving etc fair enough but this is an E-1 post without announcing it hoping someone joins the wagon and accidentily hammers me...

VOTE: Spartan

Will provide more soon. Glad to see the game is picking up, from a brief skim it looks like everybody is contributing now. Makes the game a lot easier

master chief, you are the best

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Alright, I'm reasonably happy with my town reads on Rad and Cheap. I think Bella and maybe Whiskey can be town, too.

see? bbt is a scum

he is townreading your scummy rad
i think they are both scums

[Vasex]

I did miss that I put Spartan at e-2, no regrets though

I didn't like your approach to bbt, then I didn't like your catch up, now I really don't like your storytelling. After your catch up it was just you were the least town of the active posters, but your response has been really suspect. Scum want to control the narrative of the game, which is what that post did In spades

daaam what are u talking about...

[Vasex]

not wise penguin anymore

[Vasex]

I tend to announce e-2 in newbies. I was surprised you were e-1 after bbts vote.

...so who is bbt? scum?

[Vasex]

to addition to everything else he tried to speed elim the first day for god's sake, sheeping the vote of his scummy bella

[Vasex]

IS IT NOT A SCUM BBT?

[Vasex]

Noooooo Whiskey, why unvote?

btw wd is town lean after that (i have less doubts now)

[Vasex]

Would easily be able to say that Cheapside has provided much more content in their 6 posts than you have in 55 actually...

+

[Vasex]

BTW SPARTAN DIDN"T CLAIM ANY PR, SO HE IS TOWN NOW
SCUMS CLAIM PRS, GETTING TO THE E-1

[Vasex]

Scum wouldn't be this blatant, right? They wouldn't both pile on at the same time, and re use the literal same words.


Right?

Rad and who? I dont get it

[Vasex]

185 Rad, can you expand on your reservations regarding Cheap, please?

At that stage, I had a couple issues with him

38 claiming vasex is obviously town. No way. No one's obviously town that quickly. But as scum, you already know who's town, so a scum!Cheap knows that town!Vasex is being a goofball town and it's easy to think that this AI is obvious to everyone else as well. If Cheap is scum, this comment about vasex is actually a scum slip IMO.

But, Cheap could still be town there thinking goofball vasex is town. I mean, that's how I was viewing vasex at that stage (as a goofball town), but i try to stop myself from believing too much in my initial thoughts, no matter how much they make sense to me. He clearly didn't do that and read vasex as town hard enough that he wanted to announce it to everyone.

Second, his 69 just sort of summarized what somnus was doing at a stage where basically the only thing that had happened was somnus stuff. It just hit me like... Ok, thanks for the summary of what everyone should already know!

Then in 156 he spells out his reads. Couldn't tell if this was town being useful or scum trying to look useful. I think him dropping the somnus vote like he did was questionable. Also his vote on me felt like weak reasoning and I'm sure I got a little OMGUS on him lol. ALSO at that stage I was very anti-BBT and he was throwing shade on Italiano while simultaneously hyping you (BBT) up as a strong vet that won't be easy to read D1 (giving you a D1 pass essentially). Felt kinda scum-teamy to me given I was seeing you as scum.

So yeah I had a town read on him but wanted to keep an eye on how his input progressed throughout the game.

well maybe scums not bbt and rad, but bbt and cheap, but... meh...

[Vasex]

....I like bbt better when they are talking to me and rad better when they are not.

[Vasex]

My main concern with him has to do with his unwavering defense of mq for no clear reason.

she provided position with scum bbt
prove she is wrong firstly to judge her

[Vasex]

Why state the obvious?

am i a doctor and do i know that there are no noobs among newbies and SE who will end the day immidiately, leaving the town with no info at all?

[Vasex]

my experience tells me to repeat and repeat obvious things to people i dont know at least

[Vasex]

guys, you are awesome, im starting to read about russian hackers here
maybe again from page one
i almost forgot first impressions, but this is ok

im not sure that bosco will return, she is dissappeared not only from this game

ha ha, i was afraid that i need to read 3 pages more, but this is just vasex came to the thread

[Vasex]

I was hoping to get some analysis in, but frankly I do not have time right now, given the over a hundred(!!! ) posts since I last looked in. Please don't rapidly hammer anyone, there's useful time left in the day. UNVOTE:

i like how it's too late to post smth like that

[Vasex]

I'm starting to suspect you have no sense of humour.

LMAO

[Vasex]

Vasex: Right now, I have no desire to eliminate mq. They haven't failed to satisfy me yet, because there's still time in D1. Provided we don't get a dumb wagon, there's six days left. But if someone gives us as little information as mq.bosco has done, we elim them. This isn't how I'm looking for scum, it's just a policy. Townhunting first, with this many people and differing playstyles, isn't going to work well enough, as we'll always find reasons enough to mistrust the people actually posting. We can't rely on having the necessary power rules to give us mechanical information on her in this setup. So if we allow it, she can and will lurk to victory if scum.

i bet she will be replaced soon

[Vasex]

Nope. never met the guy before this game

i mixed up you with bbt there, but is doesnt matter already

[Vasex]

I'm going to sleep
My fast list is smth like that:

TOWNS: Somnus, Spartan
town lean: WD, bosco, Bella
null: Cheap
scum lean: Rad
SCUM: BBT

TOWNS and SCUM are solid
the other ones can be changed easily i guess (or maybe not)

well, i think i'm done everything for today here

maybe my case about Rad is not so strong, i will reconsider it and i skipped some of his bigposts (not only his). see you folks

[Vasex]

Not convinced of scum!Spartan either to be fair.

town spartan

[Vasex]

today we need to elim bbt
this is 100%

[Vasex]

he didnt claim pr, while he was on e-1
it means he is not a scum
logics

[Vasex]

or you are his partner, who saved him from doing that, do you like this theory? im not

[Vasex]

Newbie 2096 | Nathan For You

Day 1

Player List

1. mq.bosco
   
   
2. Vasex
   
   
3. Cheapside
   
   
4. Somnus
   
   
5. Rad
   
   
6. whiskey delta
   
   
7. Jackal711 (SE)
   
8. ItalianoVD (SE)
   
   
9. Bellaphant (SE)

(bold indicates confirmation, asterisks indicate prods)

Spoiler: Flips

No flips yet.

Events:
Day 1 Start

A fantastic idea.

The only flaw is waiting to use your vote.

Look at this post
I think it was made for mafia PT
He suggests his partner to vote Jackal711
And look how BBT was stressed after posting that in our thread for all

Umm, I don't know how that happened. I really need to stop phone posting and do this on my laptop.

and then he has interesting conversation with Rad, though it can be just my paranoia.
p.s. dont forget that i thought they are both scums earlier, when they were voting each other with weird behaviour all over there, and weird reasons to find each other townie after that. it was right before this post

[Vasex]

what's wrong with voting bbt, if you are agree with me about spartan? he put him on E-1 with his vote, voting immidiately after bella, who was suspicious to him few posts ago
logics

I go to sleep

[Vasex]

You were already my top scum read, and I made that pretty clear when I was on yesterday. This is where my vote will remain due to how you're handling it. Have a good night.

kindly reminder
bbt considers rad is townie
bbt is more scum than rad because of that
logics

[Vasex]

@rad, I am conflicted. I quite liked rads catch up in real time on a first look, as it felt flowly and natural. And then I realised that hos reads didn't really massively change throughout: i'm town, Somnus is town, bbt is scum - at least these three were reads he started with. Do you think he's making the shoe fit? Compare for example his mentions of Spartan to your catch up.

if this is to @Vasex , his reads have changed! bbt became town for him after they vote each other!

[Vasex]

@vasex, talk me through that?

read my iso, dont hurry, and you can read their talking between bbt and rad
you also can read their iso together (you can sort picking two or three isos at once in menu below the page)

[Vasex]

this is the best list here

[Vasex]

And you're right, they really didn't change did they. New information seems irrelevant to vasex, or at best just reinforces his initial read. 

LIE.

firstly i had cheap and you as townies, now you are a scum and he is null; i also changed some null slots to town lean (wd, bella) and solid town (spartan).

does it look that i didnt change anything?

[Vasex]

stupid question
you have my conclusion with scums, towns, nulls some posts ago. Are you waiting any changes in my opinion based on few fresh posts of bella here, where he was only totally confused?

[Vasex]

ugh
maybe im wrong in smth
but i'm too lazy even to think about it
i will update my view from some other perspectives emm in a couple of calendar days
too busy tomorrow

[Vasex]

clap...
corwinoid, are you from Amber?

[Vasex]

You know, before I even get into the rest of the thread... this has been sitting on me the entire time I've been following the game. Normally I wouldn't meta somebody, especially a new player, but this has to be called out:

1. How long have you played the game of mafia, not just on this site, but ever?
2. Do you like playing the role of town or mafia better?
3. Are you an active poster or a lurker?
4. Do you find it hard to lie or it something you have no issues with?

1. about a week, im newbie
2. yes
3. lurker
4. no

You sure? Your profile tells a very different story.

it was hacked

I honestly can't believe everyone has let this go so easily, and

this

is a

terrible

defense of it:

@somnus, that may be an issue for the mods?

The minute he introduced it into the game as a verifiable issue it became a game issue. Trying to discard it as irrelevant when it's pretty damn topical looks shady also.

The hacking claim is a bold faced lie, unless he's going to also claim his posting style, content, and flood posting exactly mimics the person who hacked him. Speaking of which, the flood posting is incredibly anti-town. And he finished that game fake claiming scum.

This isn't a player, or the kind of lying that I can trust at all. VOTE: Vasex

@Somnus, stick with your leads and pressure stuff like this harder.

ewww
booo
u still dont understand the logics why i self-claimed mafia there??? really?
it was perfect move from me
it provided the victory to us - to town
because if we voted "no elim" (4 players), we could lose if roleblocker blocks wrong person , but if i fleep green, he could listen to me - and he listened. before i fliped green he was going to do the worst move in game, and we had almost no chance to win. reread my explanation of this move, im proud of it

[Vasex]

1. he was scumreading me, because mafia skipped their shot when he was blocking me
2. the other townie guy didn't read the game at all, he was too lazy and not attentive
3. me 4. mafia.

1 was going to block another townie 2. the shot could be happen into the roleblocker. and the laziest town (2) would elim me with no thinking on the next day.
that's why i tried to stop "not eliming" and tried to elime myself, because I WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THE GAME, WHO FOUND THE SCUM CORRECTLY.
so only flipping green I could make the roleblocker to believe me - I asked to block mafia, no another lazy townie, who also completely didn't understand the game there...
so only my death and my shouting provided us victory: the roleblocker saw that im not scum, and he listened to me, and he blocked not townie, but scum.
there was no shot, and they elimed him (2 vs 1)

[Vasex]

this was the most perfect tactic at this moment from me. only my actions allowed us to find the scum with block and not to elim the townie on the final day.

this tactic should be in textbook, the lectures should be held and movies should be shot about my tactics there

[Vasex]

where are your proofs that i lied here?

[Vasex]

i still dont see any proofs
random shadowthrowing

[Vasex]

see? nobody even mafia bbt doesnt believe you, corwinoid, because they know im town
your case against me does not stand up to scrutiny, see you in court, you have no chance

[Vasex]

what's your nickname was there? or u just a spectator?

[Vasex]

Age:39

[Vasex]

i thought like maybe 12

[Vasex]

why did u copy my avatar? find another one for yourself
whats wrong with u

[Vasex]

im too busy you know

[Vasex]

Damn, is there a reason behind it?

yeah, just dont use it
daaam, they even deleted my avatar (photo of tarantino), so dont be surprised anything like this

[Vasex]

and now Corwin from Amber has stolen my new avatar... is it allowed at all? maybe some rule about stealing avatars?

[Vasex]

Hi all!
I've been following the thread so I'm mostly up to date

now after this phrase look at the rest of his iso
my entrance was the most significant part of the game for him

[Vasex]

@mod, can we vote for finding a new replacement for bosco or maybe return bosco prodding with no time limit?

[Vasex]

and now Corwin from Amber has stolen my new avatar... is it allowed at all? maybe some rule about stealing avatars?

I'm not amused. And nothing about this says 'town'.

Shit ass scummy thing to do honestly, if it's even allowed.

Blatantly lying and destroying any trust we can have in you is not the perfect tactic for day one in a new game. You need to go.

[Vasex]

@mod, can we vote for finding a new replacement for bosco or maybe return bosco prodding with no time limit?

This is actually a rule violation. Don't do this.

This isn't a player, or the kind of lying that I can trust at all.

[Vasex]

Oof. Old habit...

[Vasex]

Vasex change your profile pic to something unique.

Never!

[Vasex]

VOTE: Rad

[Vasex]

ugh
maybe im wrong in smth
but i'm too lazy even to think about it
i will update my view from some other perspectives emm in a couple of calendar days
too busy tomorrow

No time for this Vasex?

Still no time for this Vasex?

Nope.

[Vasex]

I'm through about the first 12 pages of my re-read, but I have a sleeping disorder where I won't get much sleep for a few nights/weeks and then crash pretty hard and oversleep, and right now I'm recovering from the oversleeping thing so I need to get some rest. I've said all I have to say for right now, and I'll hit this with fresh eyes in a few hours.

zero efficiency
completely useless comparing with bosco

[Vasex]

VOTE: Vasex

how can you explain your vote?

[Vasex]

VOTE: Vasex

how can you explain your vote?

so you have no explanation. i will remember this, I'm very revengeful

[Vasex]

i had reasons; you haven't. so wait for my vengence.

[Vasex]

corwinoid is also in the list

[Vasex]

there are many ways to do that

[Vasex]

rad is scum
bbt maybe not

[Vasex]

very interesting, but i have 3:00 a.m., so i go to sleep
like i said, i'll be busy at work on monday

rad is scum in this game, elim him

[Vasex]

nobody votes like that not checking the amount of votes

[Vasex]

easiest bite
scums cannot resist
and rad is the most scum among them
he will be elimed in this game for sure

[Vasex]

your lists of players' posts is fake shit by the way, just fake scummy activity with no any sense, just shitposting to show "look at me im searching for scums!". when i flip green you must be elimed next for pretending that you dont know how to count votes. or if you are just drunk newbie who dont know how to play the game, this is even better, but i leave my maybe last message to other townies "to elim rad" if i flip green. maybe your walls of repeating other isos into the thread will help you, maybe, maybe, it can work here with people who dont need logics and any reasons to elim anybody

see you after 20 hours, i go sleep and work then

[Vasex]

Scum slip? I'd have said "when"

dont be a child, this thing "if/when" never works. so new shitposting, eh.

btw, you are the only one whom i wrote LIE few hours ago? ohhh this is bad for you, because u really lied about my position that i dont change anything, and i proved that you lied with ease. Easy to check our conversation there. This is a really good reason to hang you (comparing with absolutely shitty reasons you are trying to create now why are voting me). Cosider my vote is 100% on you till the end of the game, and i bet that u will be hanged.

[Vasex]

Anyway, I don't even care what you flip at this point. You're destructive to town. If you flip green and anyone cares about what you wrote, and I get elimed because of it, you just killed 2 towns.

yeah, im professional player with hundreds of games and good accuracy of finding scums in my games even here, so anybody WILL care what green vasex says about you, scum
and the case about u was born not now, there were a lot of stuff, enough to read my iso. for example you was too nervous when you were voted, and explained too much about your posts. Usually only scums think so much about defending

but the main reason - you have no good reasons to vote me, to put me on e-1 and also u pretending you have no education so dont count votes while wagoning someone , yeah yeah such true

[Vasex]

And you're right, they really didn't change did they. New information seems irrelevant to vasex, or at best just reinforces his initial read. 

LIE.

firstly i had cheap and you as townies, now you are a scum and he is null; i also changed some null slots to town lean (wd, bella) and solid town (spartan).

does it look that i didnt change anything?

Just to remeber you fail, scum

[Vasex]

the easiest newbie scum has been found
now we need to find his partner. either the clever one, or lurker... maybe he will be with hammer... but i guess he is not voting, for example cheap who pockets me too much, so it is quite difficult for him to hammer me - his solid townie

[Vasex]

i guess enough for today, good night scums

[Vasex]

when i flip green

you must be elimed next for pretending that you dont know how to count votes. or if you are just drunk newbie who dont know how to play the game, this is even better, but i leave my maybe last message to other townies "to elim rad" if

i flip green

so you failed even with when/if, trying to show smth out of the whole context, you are the weakest mafia scum i ever seen

[Vasex]

ez pz you have no chance to win here, i just need time later (tomorrow) to find your partner, dont forget to make distancing with him

[Vasex]

I'd still hammer anyway tbh. If this is the route he's going to go down the least we can do is flip him and go from there. One less distraction for scum to hide behind

bad reason to elim smb

[Vasex]

wd is not town, null

[Vasex]

I could argue that he's voting one of the players I have the strongest TRs on but that is all negligible right now.

BBT/Bella exchanges look T/T.

rad is town for him, bbt and bella are towns
wd may be scum with ease

[Vasex]

and me also is town for him...

wd, where are scums for you?

[Vasex]

means there is 2 scum in BBT, Somnus, bosco, & Cheapside.

so if bbt is town for you, all scums are here for you: somnus, bosco and cheapside
but you are ready to hammer me only because of distractions? NOT BOSCO SLOT? strange straaange

[Vasex]

if you(anybody) are townie you should have strong reasons to elim smb now, especially early on day1. who has no good reasons for that - is scum or stupid af noob. voting with no reasons (bbt), or with shitty reasons like to delete distraction (wd... though he is not voting me, but he said he'd hammer me), or he lied about hackers on page 1 (corwin), or he sliped with "if/when"(rad) are so shit reasons, that participating in this process with such bad explanations MUST be punished, especially if this ends the day too early, leaving the town with no good info.

[Vasex]

bella has some wide explanation of his reads about me, and if he is a scum, he just looks better than others in this wagon.
though at the moment when he voted me, i thought that my reads definitely contain some mistakes, and i said about it , but i have no time to think seriosly about the game right now (i said about that too).
the large amount of noobs and shitty reasons with votes for fun - this is real distraction of the game, which doesnt help at all to find real scummies, who is much easier to hide among shitty townies with better behaviour and better reasons.
if you don't play with normal reasons don't be surprised that i will punish any of you for shitty game

i heard bella is "she", but i dont care, because there is no any "pronounce" in her acc

[Vasex]

if you vote smb, u need to have the good explanation for yourself and others why do you think this person is the scummiest person among other players.
you should be able to explain it to yourself and better share to the thread.
and if you are not completely noob, you should also understand what is scum play , how usually scums play, why they do smth and don't do smth.
you should often ask the question about every thought you have in your head or read it somewhere in the thread - "why?" why is it scummy? why is it townie? why scum does this? why not? if it is impossible to explain this reason in words, with weightful arguments, this is shitty explanation, like random vote, it is nothing. and usually if everybody play well, scums have many problems with providing good reasons for any action. but if townies are bad...

[Vasex]

anybody with bad reasons should be hanged, if smb after death flips green
because townies shouldnt elim smb randomly

[Vasex]

That's a lot of fluff and theory. I'm well aware of how to play this game but thanks for sharing, I guess?

you have no provided reasons to vote me, so i dont think you are both town and not noob

[Vasex]

and if there is somewhere a good specialist of finding "not together" reasons for slots, i guess i have the biggest amount of "not together" with people here. maybe a couple of players left to consider them my scum possible partner. with whom am I if I'm a scum?

am i with mq.bosco/corwinoid ?
am i with Cheapside ?
am i with Somnus ?
am i with Rad ?
am i with whiskey delta ?
am i with Spartan 117 (SE) replacing - Jackal711 ?
am i with BlueBloodedToffee (SE) replacing - ItalianoVD ?
am i with Bellaphant (SE) ?

ask on these questions, find me a scum partner
check our isos and think how much is it possible
if there are enough possibilities the chance that i am mafia is higher
usually townie has many "not together" moments with other players

and be aware that this is just a beginning of the game, later there will be more content

[Vasex]

Yes, I have.

In fact, I provided the reason for at least two people on this wagon to vote you.

i still see no reasons from you. i think you cannot explain it

[Vasex]

i have no time to go deep in the iso

[Vasex]

and i was talking about your reasons to vote me
or is it rvs with e-1?

[Vasex]

still nothing = scummy

[Vasex]

not my problem too

[Vasex]

I'd still hammer anyway tbh.

i just dont like this. and you keep repeating it that you would do that. this is like pushing to do it smb else, to stay clean

[Vasex]

That’s correct. Tell me what you think? I rather like my POE for D1

somnus is frustrated/confused town, however he may be right above scum Rad, your tr for some stupid reason

[Vasex]

Eh, that usually involves a fair bit of compliance from town though. For all the scare mongering about e-1 we've not got close to intent to hammer once. This is way overdue now.

Reads: rad, cheapside
Spartan, whiskey, bbt, corn
Vasex

...I forgot somnus existed. That's not a great town indicator


P-edit that's been vasex's beat post in a while.

i dont understand
if bella says im scum here, then bella is a scum
ez

[Vasex]

he may be right above scum Rad

about

[Vasex]

I'd still hammer anyway tbh.

i just dont like this. and you keep repeating it that you would do that. this is like pushing to do it smb else, to stay clean

Hammer the wagon I am actively pointing at and saying “this is town” ?

your words, not mine
you'd hammer a town - you are saying this

[Vasex]

Somnus burying his vote and disappearing is the scum you aren’t seeing

im not sure that we need to think about activity now

[Vasex]

why this post is impossible to be a good post?

[Vasex]

ugh
maybe im wrong in smth
but i'm too lazy even to think about it
i will update my view from some other perspectives emm in a couple of calendar days
too busy tomorrow

No time for this Vasex?

Still no time for this Vasex?

Any time for this yet Vasex?

Nope.

[Vasex]

I have plenty of time till day 1 ends

[Vasex]

Someone please hammer.

I'm begging you.

begging to hammer a slot, having no reasons to do that

[Vasex]

maybe i have some problems with translation, i dunno

[Vasex]

You don't need time until day ends. You said you maybe had something wrong and needed to reevaluate (in what I suspect was an attempt to appease the 3 people who said your reads were not fluid and changing throughout the game). You tried to buy yourself time.

The problem is that you just don't know how to follow it up because your reads are completely fabricated. I won't let it go.

i also said that i wont do that today, on monday. few times. did you hear that?

[Vasex]

but u keep asking your stupid af question

[Vasex]

Yeah.

But you managed to post an awful lot since then? I thought game solving would be high on your agenda if you're town, no?

Instead, you choose to defend yourself and call everyone scum who votes you :shrug:

solving the game requires too much time and thinking

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That's 3 new wagons Whiskey. Absolutely not going to happen at this point.

so corwin is town for u?

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So you'll sit and spam to muddy waters for Town instead?

Somebody. Please. Eliminate this guy.

We have 27 pages already. This Day One is too big and the longer it goes the more hidden potentially vital information becomes.

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btw how do you think if i were a scum, maybe i would claim any PR on E-1? not to be elimed. no?

nooo, bs, i'm too scary, i'm too shy to lie