Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Ausuka

[Dwlee99]

1, 4, 4

[Dwlee99]

1, 4, 4

might be a scum claim answer

That was the joke, correct

[Dwlee99]

this chart is stolen shamelessly from Andante in the last PYP:

Can I get this in a format I can paste into a spreadsheet

[Dwlee99]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

[Dwlee99]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

In particular while this isn't a bad post per se it feels a bit like a scummy pop in and I don't like that they have not given any reads at this point.

Spoiler: video

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: HEM

[Dwlee99]

I'm not against flipping enchant because in 6/13 of Ari's games scum picked 1, and that isn't factoring in only games where anyone picked 1

[Dwlee99]

When I get a chance I plan to look at those numbers closer

[Dwlee99]

Why do you expect me to put every thought I have into my posts

[Dwlee99]

Last post @Ausuka

@dwlee

why do you feel disengaged this game?

I wouldn't say I feel

particularly

disengaged rn

[Dwlee99]

Also I think Bella townread me for posting 1, 4, 4 as my numbers to aristeia. Not sure why that is townie but that's their reasoning

[Dwlee99]

@dweelee, was I right about your Intention?

I don't know what this means

[Dwlee99]

I think HEM asked why I voted him — Last time I saw Aristeia like this she nailed Prism into a coffin. She gets my baa privilege until I have more effort into sorting personally

Be back later

[Dwlee99]

Were you messing around in your numbers answer? If yes, how does that impact your push on enchant?

@dweelee

Yes in that I purposefully chose the number I actually chose, but not completely in that if I were scum I would be heavily considering going for a conflict as a wifom anti-associative.

[Dwlee99]

Oh and about Enchant, I think scum are very likely to pick 1 based on previous games, so I don't see why that doesn't also hold here to some extent.

[Dwlee99]

what do you think about dwlee

what do you think about HQ coming in to kind of soflty defend dwlee only

FMPOV HQ looks town for this

[Dwlee99]

@the PR things,

Yea I know we don't have to resolve him rn I just think he is also playing kinda scummy

[Dwlee99]

Okay nvm my math bad I didn't look at it enough yet lmao

[Dwlee99]

okay, in any case, i'll be absent from here on and only appearing to and for

watch my wagon. that's a wagon on town. if people push for it aggressively without trying to parse more info from me, that means it's scum-motivated.

i haven't read the game beyond the posts i didn't make today.

What does the bolded mean?

[Dwlee99]

Feel better HEM!

I don't like MathBlade's recent posting and he is Klick slot but I guess not enough to push it through Titus saying she thinks MathBlade is town here

Still fine with HEM

[Dwlee99]

Ignore urge to vote math ignore urge to vote math ignore urge to vote math

[Dwlee99]

Ignore urge to vote math ignore urge to vote math ignore urge to vote math

[Dwlee99]

I really feel Dwlee is scum.

Titus hasn’t given a reason other than “matching” and “trying”

I don’t see that here from them.

That has to be BS because you only think I'm scum rn because of things that aren't there rather than things that are. So you can't be that confident of anything

[Dwlee99]

MathBlade and HEM probably are SvS

Math just ignored my response to his terrible read on me

[Dwlee99]

I really feel Dwlee is scum.

Titus hasn’t given a reason other than “matching” and “trying”

I don’t see that here from them.

That has to be BS because you only think I'm scum rn because of things that aren't there rather than things that are. So you can't be that confident of anything

This doesn’t merit a response.

I believe you are scum.

You believe I am lying.

You said “that confident” implying a tunnel of sorts.

I’ve actually been pretty quiet so your entire post is hot air saying you are town. Any player would.

You literally quoted yourself being way more confident than you should be, and you have tons of other posts campaigning for my death so clearly I'm your top scum read.

[Dwlee99]

Math is scum 100%

[Dwlee99]

If you scumread 6 people in a 3 scum game that means you're wrong

[Dwlee99]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

[Dwlee99]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

You can’t parse Math solely based off of reads. I don’t agree with his reads but he’s reminding me quite a bit here of White Flag.

It's not about the read itself it's the way he is reading me

Baseless but way too confident and then trying to act like he wasn't being confident when his posts say "really sure"

[Dwlee99]

I'm this amazing thing called busy

Like I started a full time job for the summer and moved across the country busy

If you have anything that isn't "dwlee isn't posting like a bored college student" lmk

[Dwlee99]

I'm suspicious about Dwlee's progression on HEM. They say in post 480 they're voting HEM to sheep Ari. It definitely comes across as a weak read, saying they were basically just voting HEM because Ari said so until they were able to put more effort into sorting. This is mostly fair but some of their later posts rub me the wrong way with this in mind - particularly this post,

MathBlade and HEM probably are SvS

Math just ignored my response to his terrible read on me

The preflip associative here doesn't feel natural imo. Their read on HEM doesn't seem to have advanced - at least, they haven't shown any visible effort to sort HEM in thread, and considering HEM has been the largest wagon for most of the game I'd expect them to talk about their read more if it had. So tying Mathblade and HEM together as a 'probable' scumteam feels too confident from Dwlee here, if that makes sense.

Math is scum 100%

Similarly with this, I understand how the Dwlee math read could come from town but like, the 100% thing seems way too far, much worse than the whole 'I really feel Dwlee is scum' thing Math did.

You are so tunneled

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: MathBlade

[Dwlee99]

I'm this amazing thing called busy

Like I started a full time job for the summer and moved across the country busy

If you have anything that isn't "dwlee isn't posting like a bored college student" lmk

Nah I am quite good with you’re content with TvT wagons so you didn’t have to post once you voted HeM you checked out

Then when me your biggest accuser picked up steam you voted me

You still aren’t interacting with the game

I've been calling you scum for days why would I not vote you

[Dwlee99]

You're still saying for not posting lmao

[Dwlee99]

Because you haven’t interacted anywhere else it’s just naked

What do you need me to say??

"Oh yea all those reasons I already said plus all the extra reasons others have pointed out blablabla" it's just clutter

I don't need to type out everything and I certainly don't want to because that's a lot more effort

[Dwlee99]

HEM. Thought Roden but now there's anti associatives.

[Dwlee99]

Ausuka could be scum w you cause they're completely single-mindedly focused on saying everything I do is scummy lol

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee lots of could bes

I see zero solve on you.

Sorry I don't have the mafia team in my role pm so I can't be completely sure

[Dwlee99]

Let's GOOOO

[Dwlee99]

Uh you, HQ, maybe Gamma

[Dwlee99]

Hasn't most of HEM's wagon said they townread him ATP

How is he tied with MathBlade

[Dwlee99]

Bellaphant can be easily scum here. They had a borderline TMI townread on me and then nose dived into scumreading and discrediting me for no reason

[Dwlee99]

Math's example of town me spamming questions is almost a year old

Look at KTANE, my playstyle has changed especially wrt mobile vs computer and how much time I spend playing. I'm pretty much exclusively mobile posting the past couple of weeks and have also spent less time than in the past lately

[Dwlee99]

Same thing in 2272 looks like, I literally just don't ask as many questions as I used to

[Dwlee99]

Why do you expect me to put every thought I have into my posts

Here is a question

[Dwlee99]

okay, in any case, i'll be absent from here on and only appearing to and for

watch my wagon. that's a wagon on town. if people push for it aggressively without trying to parse more info from me, that means it's scum-motivated.

i haven't read the game beyond the posts i didn't make today.

What does the bolded mean?

Here is a question

[Dwlee99]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

Here is a question

[Dwlee99]

I'm this amazing thing called busy

Like I started a full time job for the summer and moved across the country busy

If you have anything that isn't "dwlee isn't posting like a bored college student" lmk

Nah I am quite good with you’re content with TvT wagons so you didn’t have to post once you voted HeM you checked out

Then when me your biggest accuser picked up steam you voted me

You still aren’t interacting with the game

I've been calling you scum for days why would I not vote you

Here is a question

[Dwlee99]

Because you haven’t interacted anywhere else it’s just naked

What do you need me to say??

"Oh yea all those reasons I already said plus all the extra reasons others have pointed out blablabla" it's just clutter

I don't need to type out everything and I certainly don't want to because that's a lot more effort

Here is a question

[Dwlee99]

Hasn't most of HEM's wagon said they townread him ATP

How is he tied with MathBlade

Kind of a question but if you don't want to count this ok

[Dwlee99]

Okay show me in 2272 or KTANE where I asked significant investigative questions early in the game

[Dwlee99]

Even in the game you link the most investigative question is me asking someone who they think is scum on my 9th post...

[Dwlee99]

KTANE: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89120
2272: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89392

[Dwlee99]

1053: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89351
2268 (scum): https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89094

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, you’re both arguing that you are asking lots of questions here, and that this is not your towngame anymore. Why both of these?

I think I used to ask more questions than I do now

Math saying I asked no questions this game is just blatantly false though

[Dwlee99]

Can scum pick vigilante

[Dwlee99]

Scum don't need to parrot the same thinking if they have options, which an Ausuka Titus team do because bellaphant served up a list of people that they think could be scum

[Dwlee99]

Math initially thought I was scum because I sheeped Ari onto hem and now HEM flipped scum and math still thinks I'm scum

[Dwlee99]

I am suspicious of Wallflower/Bellaphant/Ausuka

I still am suspicious of MathBlade but I'm letting it breathe

There's a lot of posts here and I don't have a ton to say

Feel like Bella's read progression on me was kinda weird. Ausuka kinda tunneled me. Wallflower idek what they've really been doing

[Dwlee99]

Would scum picking informed imply they didn't get a good draft?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Ausuka

[Dwlee99]

I thought Roden was on Titus?

Also, math, hq and enchant havent checked in since you posted your proposal.

P-edit people beat me

@dweelee, what do you think about where scum were on the wagons yesterday?

Off MathBlade

[Dwlee99]

HEM was way easier than math to wagon

[Dwlee99]

humaneatingmonkey [6]: Aristeia, Dwlee99, Titus, Save The Dragons, implosion, Roden
Aristeia [2]: humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant
Dwlee99 [1]: Ausuka
MathBlade[1]: Gamma Emerald

not voting [4]: Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, MathBlade

Okay yea probably STD or implosion on HEM but I'll have to review how quickly this took off

I just remember it took off very quickly which is weird

[Dwlee99]

How is math conf?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Implosion

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

If town!enchant picked bulletproof and then did absolutely nothing for two days that'd be hilarious

[Dwlee99]

No I'm doctor
VOTE: Enchant

[Dwlee99]

Aristeia is so obviously town it hurts

Any "misplaced confidence" claims are also hilarious because Aristeia is one of the only people I see that is consistently right when she thinks she is right

[Dwlee99]

If I was CCing her I'd be voting her regardless of my alignment, Math

[Dwlee99]

I am starting to feel like MathBlade is town but if we don't flip third scum D3 it is going to be extraordinarily hard for me to not want to lim him for hard defending both scum

[Dwlee99]

I am starting to feel like MathBlade is town but if we don't flip third scum D3 it is going to be extraordinarily hard for me to not want to lim him for hard defending both scum

???
who else did math hard defend D1?

I didn't say D1.

HEM now Enchant

[Dwlee99]

I want to kill Enchant...

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, if you claim PR or VT then I will. Let's get this game moving rather than people just telling each other how to play.

There's no need to

[Dwlee99]

I am starting to feel like MathBlade is town but if we don't flip third scum D3 it is going to be extraordinarily hard for me to not want to lim him for hard defending both scum

???
who else did math hard defend D1?

I didn't say D1.

HEM now Enchant

why is enchant scum for you?

He picked BP and has done nothing townie except maybe defending MathBlade a little bit if math is town

[Dwlee99]

Is anyone okay with enchant endgaming? I don't understand why we had to out a bajillion roles for this and why people want MORE claims

[Dwlee99]

enchant literally claimed to provide an alternate explanation to why no kill happened

No, he claimed because he was forced to

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, if you claim PR or VT then I will. Let's get this game moving rather than people just telling each other how to play.

There's no need to

Yes. It literally breaks the game at this point.

PRs aren't alignment bound and there is no way to setup spec for balance

Is anyone okay with enchant endgaming? I don't understand why we had to out a bajillion roles for this and why people want MORE claims

I am

He can be solved in elo

???

[Dwlee99]

Scum doesn’t put themselves at that kind of risk when they have no reason to do so. Enchant wasn’t in any danger prior to his claim and I can understand the push on him prior to Math obvtowning but obvtown!Math means Enchant is also town. I recently played a game with scum(Enchant and he only cared about his buddies, Scum!Enchant doesn’t WK Mathtown and put himself at risk like this.

But Enchant was FORCED to claim

He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart but I've seen two people in five minutes implying he chose to claim when he did

[Dwlee99]

Is anyone okay with enchant endgaming? I don't understand why we had to out a bajillion roles for this and why people want MORE claims

It’s only d2 and Enchant doesn’t need to be resolved today,

Dwlee, please. How many setups have you seen me break?

I cannot think of anything off the top of my head?

[Dwlee99]

enchant literally claimed to provide an alternate explanation to why no kill happened

No, he claimed because he was forced to

He called Math town before he claimed anything. Where’s the scum motivation in that?

He could've been setting up for a fake cop claim? Or to pocket math? There's a ton of people defending him for not AI stuff so I guess it worked

[Dwlee99]

why chicken out of fake cop claim if so? At the first sign of people thinking that was the case he declined it

He can't endgame

[Dwlee99]

Also multiple people had said they were waiting for him to clarify his claim for if he had an inno on math, that is how he was forced

[Dwlee99]

why chicken out of fake cop claim if so? At the first sign of people thinking that was the case he declined it

He can't endgame

If he is scum he can’t end game either way
If I am scum I can’t endgame either way

Like c’mon mixter

He can endgame as a bulletproof claim

That's the whole point to claim it instead of cop

enchant literally claimed to provide an alternate explanation to why no kill happened

No, he claimed because he was forced to

He called Math town before he claimed anything. Where’s the scum motivation in that?

He could've been setting up for a fake cop claim? Or to pocket math? There's a ton of people defending him for not AI stuff so I guess it worked

Okay but none of that makes him scum.

There’s a really easy way to test this Roden voyeurs him. (Yes, I know Roden already volunteered to do this.) If either Roden doesn’t get results or dies, we know Enchant’s scum right?

How does Roden dying prove anything? Or what if Ausuka is scum and roleblocks Roden?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, please can you claim PR or VT so we can keep going? I am sick of Enchant discussion.

In 1-4 sentences explain how claiming will make this easier to solve

[Dwlee99]

Why is that too much risk?

And also enchant can be scum bulletproof so it's not even possible to confirm him town

[Dwlee99]

It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.

Lol okay bye

Have fun generating 700 more posts while I lay in bed not looking at this mess of a game

[Dwlee99]

There's no way to conf enchant without confirming not ascetic and limming scum today

[Dwlee99]

There's no way to conf enchant without confirming not ascetic and limming scum today

Or you lim me
Prove I am not killer
Then scum shot in Enchant and HQ

Problem solved

Scum always shoot enchant in that group as enchant is top spot

Scum don't shoot enchant in that group if enchant is scum though

[Dwlee99]

VT

[Dwlee99]

Aren't we supposed to wait for HQ before we say what we picked

[Dwlee99]

Enchant can be BP and scum

[Dwlee99]

I tried to pick Night 3 Vigilante

[Dwlee99]

We haven’t finished the mass claim, let me know when you want my category. Will you please listen to me? I was right about Math, wasn’t I and he died to save Enchant.

I mean just because Mathblade died to save Enchant doesn't make Enchant town

just means Mathblade thought Enchant was town.

Facts ^^^

[Dwlee99]

I think we vote out wallflower

[Dwlee99]

If enchant is scum your UB won't activate right?

[Dwlee99]

Why shoot me?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Wallflower

[Dwlee99]

Still want wallflower lim

[Dwlee99]

I low-key want to wait to lim enchant until implosion gets a role

[Dwlee99]

I mean idk. It's just technically optimal

[Dwlee99]

Scum wouldn't fast night though

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for mod!