Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Harley Quinn]

The whole math thing went over my head but I like Asuka so far.

[Harley Quinn]

Who's delete?

I agree, we shouldn’t delete delete.

[Harley Quinn]

this chart is stolen shamelessly from Andante in the last PYP:

And what does it mean? It’s from different games.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm townbinning everyone with a number above 100

we are masons as far as I am concerned.

if this turns out to be tragically wrong later it's not my fault

I was looking at earlier drafts from the wiki page to try and win this draft (2 gets picked surprisingly rarely) and I found that people who pick high numbers are scum surprisingly often, like about 50% of the time iirc. In recent games, I think skitter and saskeismyyaoikismesis were the only ones to pick >20 numbers, and both flipped scum. The fact that so many people did it in this game (usually there's only 1 or 2) makes me suspicious

VOTE: Aristeia

Well I am using the chart that Andante posted in the previous PYP game.

It shows that out of 39 scum selections in 13 games - only one time has scum ever picked a number that is above 100 - I do not think the scum team would give up so much picking power to the townside and send more than 1 person to 100+ in number.

As we happen to have 4 players picking numbers above 100, I believe it is likely we have at most 1 scum and possibly none at all and it's a fairly fun way to narrow POE early.

As you noted in a later post, scum might have rarely done this but the same is true for town. I think that this game being so highly unusual makes most sense if it's a result of scum influence, since they're co-ordinating picks. Which is why I'm suspicious of the 'scum wouldn't pick numbers this high' narrative - my best bet is that there's 2 scum among these people, although I wouldn't rule out 3

If true this probably backfired on scum a little, since they were probably betting on town getting more duplicates than we ended up having. If you look at it from the perspective of 'usually there's a lot of duplicates and just not being in a duplicate leaves you fairly high on the list' it makes more sense as a scum strategy

Okay, I think I’m finally getting this. Idk if Ari is scum but I don’t think this analysis is particularily useful. There’s also plenty of town motivation to try to choose early.

[Harley Quinn]

It's true that town can pick high numbers as well, and we know at least one player did. The reason I'm suspicious of the high numbers is because there's way more of them than usual. Since town pick individually and scum co ordinate, an anomaly like this is likely to be caused by scum, at least in part - you wouldn't expect town choices to be too different in any given game, whereas scum choices are dependent on their strategy. Combine that with Ari bringing up the idea that we should make the assumption of zero or possibly one scum in the high numbers and I think it's reasonable to be suspicious of her.

I meant that I didn’t view Ari’s analysis as useful, not yours. Yeah, I agree, town doesn’t coordinate but scum is far more likely. Definitely to suggest we auto PoE low choosing numbers is totally whack.

[Harley Quinn]

aight ari, time's up. tell us what cool shit you're gonna do with the information we gave you.

not everyone has even responded or even put down 3 numbers

i see no point in explaining my thought process if people are unwilling to do a fairly simple task

I won’t because it still doesn’t make sense to me and I’d just be throwing out numbers at random.

[Harley Quinn]

i think it is fairly silly to believe scum decided to coordinate picking big numbers

Why is that silly?

[Harley Quinn]

i think it is fairly silly to believe scum decided to coordinate picking big numbers

I'm aware scum did something similar in a past run of this setup, open 732, so I don't see it as silly

Can you link that game for me?

[Harley Quinn]

aight ari, time's up. tell us what cool shit you're gonna do with the information we gave you.

not everyone has even responded or even put down 3 numbers

i see no point in explaining my thought process if people are unwilling to do a fairly simple task

I won’t because it still doesn’t make sense to me and I’d just be throwing out numbers at random.

The presence of more information is positive because either

1) i can use the information to help solve

or

2) i cant use the information to help solve


there is really no loss here.

I doubt I will endgame here so you will eventually see my flip and understand that my thoughts are coming from a town mindset

it is likely that atp you will see the validity of my process - and if you think it is useless, you are free to ignore it

but saying "oh i dont get it therefore i wont do it" is just helping scum obfuscate.

No, no you misunderstood me, I mean I literally don’t understand the exercise. And since I don’t, my contribution would be meaningless.

[Harley Quinn]

Does it really make a difference if it's 42 or 128? The point is that they picked numbers high enough that they can reasonably expect to 1) be behind other players who weren't duplicated, and 2) be ahead of all the duplicates.

@Harley, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76766 for the game thread, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=76763 for the scum PT which is probably more useful in this instance

Subject: OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y : SCUMZ PT

idk if it is; i do want to hear ap's input if possible before deadline since he's a lot better at this than me

i think it has the advantage of completely fucking with associatives (seriously, what scumteam does that???) and people like ruru and maybe sando will spend an insane amount of time going through older games and comparing the draft spread to what happens here and looking for patterns in what numbers scum picked, cept this completely goes outside all patterns and will just give a bunch of false positives that won't actually lead back to us.

like people will spend a lot of time discussing this but it won't actually lead anywhere and they might actually partner-clear us on draft-nomics

Ari, I think your argument is debunked.

[Harley Quinn]

okay

we have an ari wagon. does everybody feel the same way that she was creating a false setup spec narrative that high numbers are town wherein she also chose a high number? especially sus since i dont think it's even good town strategy to choose high numbers.

If she did that as more of a joke, it probably wouldn’t be too concerning.

[Harley Quinn]

aight ari, time's up. tell us what cool shit you're gonna do with the information we gave you.

not everyone has even responded or even put down 3 numbers

i see no point in explaining my thought process if people are unwilling to do a fairly simple task

What was your reasoning behind this exercise?

[Harley Quinn]

the draft phase is over.

the order of the draft is as follows:

Enchant	1
Ausuka	2
Harley Quinn	7
Bellaphant	9
Gamma Emerald	14
implosion	16
Malakittens	216
Aristeia	512
humaneatingmonkey	80085
Titus	999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Dwlee99	4
Roden	4
Save The Dragons	8
Klick	8

the mafia have selected the

informed

modifier - at the end of the second draft phase, the scumteam will receive a piece of information about the draft. if there are any role pairings which were not taken during the draft, the scumteam will be informed of one of these pairings. if there are multiple, they will be informed of one at random. if all role pairings were taken during the draft, the scumteam will be informed of this.

the role bidding phase begins now. for your convenience, i have also included the possible role choices below:

Spoiler:

night 3 vigilante	or	vengeful
1-shot vigilante	or	2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop	or	bulletproof
draft cop	or	1-shot watcher
doctor	or	roleblocker
universal backup	or	rolecop
neighborizer	or	voyeur
jailkeeper	or	tracker

please pm me

the specific role

you wish to be. you have about 48 hours to do so.

Another main problem with her theory is that only 4 people even chose high numbers, so what was even the point?

[Harley Quinn]

so you're voting me for picking a high number even though you picked a higher number?

was i unclear or did you just try to misrep me right in front of my face? i hope it's not the latter. the disrespect.

your post speaks for itself sir.

???

No one but you is making this an issue.

[Harley Quinn]

what do you mean?

The whole picking higher numbers is somehow town indicative and it’s a good idea to auto PoE in the lower numbers. That is what you’ve been saying, correct?

[Harley Quinn]

I don't understand what you mean by "only four people"

would a different number of people make my theory more or less valid?

Sure, because 7/11 picked lower numbers, so I don’t see your theory as helpful or why you’re defending it so strongly?

[Harley Quinn]

I don't understand what you mean by "only four people"

would a different number of people make my theory more or less valid?

Sure, because 7/11 picked lower numbers, so I don’t see your theory as helpful or why you’re defending it so strongly?

9/13

why is it not helpful to rule out 4 players if they are all actually town?

Because it’s a bad metric as Ausuka has already pointed out.

Make reads based off of posting not numbers.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm voting ari because this is a really pointless way to generate content that looks towny on the face of it and now people are contributing stuff, me included, that is totally nai about something that is nai.

Yes, the entire discussion is pointless because Ausuka already debunked it.

[Harley Quinn]

aight ari, time's up. tell us what cool shit you're gonna do with the information we gave you.

not everyone has even responded or even put down 3 numbers

i see no point in explaining my thought process if people are unwilling to do a fairly simple task

What was your reasoning behind this exercise?

Why won’t you explain this?

[Harley Quinn]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

It’s too soon for me to have a read on Dwlee but this post doesn’t look scummy to me. If Ari were to flip scum, I’d obviously need to re-evaluate this but on the whole, she seemed sincere even if I didn’t really agree with her high numbers’ thing.

[Harley Quinn]

i have to say this out loud but i want to ask other people what they feel about ari's position because right now all im seeing is manipulative scum

No

It’s too soon for me to have a read on Dwlee but this post doesn’t look scummy to me. If Ari were to flip scum, I’d obviously need to re-evaluate this but on the whole, she seemed sincere even if I didn’t really agree with her high numbers’ thing.

I think nobody but HEM saw Ari as manipulative there, the scummy part is Dwlee showing up to say something uncontroversial and then leaving without them doing much in the way of actual scumhunting, if that makes sense. That's what I mean by a scummy pop in

Uncontroversal but definitive but I need more info to make a read on them.

[Harley Quinn]

The problem I have with this exercise is that I don't think what I'd pick if I thought about it right now would actually match what I'd pick if I was making the decision with stakes attached

I'm also biased by knowing the results of this draft already and choosing a number after seeing that is inevitably going to affect my choices

@bella, what are your thoughts on this?

[Harley Quinn]

The problem I have with this exercise is that I don't think what I'd pick if I thought about it right now would actually match what I'd pick if I was making the decision with stakes attached

I'm also biased by knowing the results of this draft already and choosing a number after seeing that is inevitably going to affect my choices

@bella, what are your thoughts on this?

??? Why are you asking Bella her thoughts on something pages and pages ago?

Because she knows Klick better than anyone and he repped out.

[Harley Quinn]

Why does repping out have anything to do with it?

Why wouldn’t you ask sooner?

Because his answer to Ari’s question pinged me slightly and the rep out added to it but I want to know if she thinks there’s anything to that or not.

[Harley Quinn]

Why does repping out have anything to do with it?

Why wouldn’t you ask sooner?

Because his answer to Ari’s question pinged me slightly and the rep out added to it but I want to know if she thinks there’s anything to that or not.

I don’t follow how you get from Ari’s question to >> Klick post >> Asking Bella about a post.

I don’t see your logical train here

Why don’t we wait for bella’s response to my question? She knows Klick. If she thinks it’s nothing, I’ll move on.

[Harley Quinn]

Oh and about Enchant, I think scum are very likely to pick 1 based on previous games, so I don't see why that doesn't also hold here to some extent.

Why couldn’t town also pick 1 though? We know he’s obviously a pr, so I agree with Ari that his slot will get resolved sooner than later right?

[Harley Quinn]

Oh and about Enchant, I think scum are very likely to pick 1 based on previous games, so I don't see why that doesn't also hold here to some extent.

This is true but if Enchant is town; scum can't let Enchant live for very long because there's a good chance Enchant is the strongest TPR so they have to shoot him.

so if it's like day 3/4 and Enchant is still alive, the odds he is scum go up a lot and we can lim him with much more certainty than if we lim him now.

+1

I wouldn’t lim anyone solely based off of a number pick.

[Harley Quinn]

@Harley:

Random question. Do you purposely play different on this account? Not going to out who you are btw, I'm just wondering.

In what respect? Activity isn’t ai for me.

[Harley Quinn]

Getting bad vibes from mathblade

Slight heartburn from ari

Good vibes from dwlee and HQ

Interesting. Why on the others?

For the me I am going to assume that’s SOP considering how many times I have smoked you as scum before.

SOP?

[Harley Quinn]

@Harley:

Random question. Do you purposely play different on this account? Not going to out who you are btw, I'm just wondering.

In what respect? Activity isn’t ai for me.

Nah I'm not referring to activity. Some people have certain vibes or attitudes they try to stick to when using certain accounts. Like some people have "serious", "confident", or "low effort" playstyles for designated accounts. Is "Harley Quinn" meant to be an account like that, or do you more or less play the same regardless of what you log into?

Many factors influence my play. Rl, number of games I’m in, interest, investment, etc. In an extremely mech heavy game, I can get totally lost for example. But I still don’t know what you’re referring to if not my activity?

[Harley Quinn]

On one of my outed alts I tend to practice less precise grammar, I use less caps and less punctuation, I also go for a kinda chill good-guy vibe, I would put it
So the question is do you do any of that? From my perception I don’t believe you do but maybe I am unaware of something.

Well in one game I actively tried to alter my writing style. It didn’t work though, people still figured out who I was.

[Harley Quinn]

@Harley:

Random question. Do you purposely play different on this account? Not going to out who you are btw, I'm just wondering.

In what respect? Activity isn’t ai for me.

Nah I'm not referring to activity. Some people have certain vibes or attitudes they try to stick to when using certain accounts. Like some people have "serious", "confident", or "low effort" playstyles for designated accounts. Is "Harley Quinn" meant to be an account like that, or do you more or less play the same regardless of what you log into?

Many factors influence my play. Rl, number of games I’m in, interest, investment, etc. In an extremely mech heavy game, I can get totally lost for example. But I still don’t know what you’re referring to if not my activity?

I think Gamma describes what I mean a bit better here:

On one of my outed alts I tend to practice less precise grammar, I use less caps and less punctuation, I also go for a kinda chill good-guy vibe, I would put it
So the question is do you do any of that? From my perception I don’t believe you do but maybe I am unaware of something.

The reason I'm asking is because you seem pretty chill and observant this game. I was curious if it's just something you try to emphasize more on this account, or if you're just in a good head space right now.

I’m not adapting my play to this account and I don’t play the same way every game. I legit hope I never have to ever go through again what I did in HDP. That game was sheer hell for me and I was crying constantly.

[Harley Quinn]

On one of my outed alts I tend to practice less precise grammar, I use less caps and less punctuation, I also go for a kinda chill good-guy vibe, I would put it
So the question is do you do any of that? From my perception I don’t believe you do but maybe I am unaware of something.

Well in one game I actively tried to alter my writing style. It didn’t work though, people still figured out who I was.

Gamma, Is this helping you solve Harley?

If not I would suggest moving on here. This is treading towards alt outing and I don’t like that.

I don’t really see that at all?

[Harley Quinn]

@Harley:

Random question. Do you purposely play different on this account? Not going to out who you are btw, I'm just wondering.

In what respect? Activity isn’t ai for me.

Nah I'm not referring to activity. Some people have certain vibes or attitudes they try to stick to when using certain accounts. Like some people have "serious", "confident", or "low effort" playstyles for designated accounts. Is "Harley Quinn" meant to be an account like that, or do you more or less play the same regardless of what you log into?

Many factors influence my play. Rl, number of games I’m in, interest, investment, etc. In an extremely mech heavy game, I can get totally lost for example. But I still don’t know what you’re referring to if not my activity?

I think Gamma describes what I mean a bit better here:

On one of my outed alts I tend to practice less precise grammar, I use less caps and less punctuation, I also go for a kinda chill good-guy vibe, I would put it
So the question is do you do any of that? From my perception I don’t believe you do but maybe I am unaware of something.

The reason I'm asking is because you seem pretty chill and observant this game. I was curious if it's just something you try to emphasize more on this account, or if you're just in a good head space right now.

I’m not adapting my play to this account and I don’t play the same way every game. I legit hope I never have to ever go through again what I did in HDP. That game was sheer hell for me and I was crying constantly.

Positive focus:

Favorite Harley Quinn moment go!

Oh and your reads please?

Not sure I even have one yet.

I give reads as they come. Why are you sr STD?

[Harley Quinn]

On one of my outed alts I tend to practice less precise grammar, I use less caps and less punctuation, I also go for a kinda chill good-guy vibe, I would put it
So the question is do you do any of that? From my perception I don’t believe you do but maybe I am unaware of something.

Well in one game I actively tried to alter my writing style. It didn’t work though, people still figured out who I was.

Gamma, Is this helping you solve Harley?

If not I would suggest moving on here. This is treading towards alt outing and I don’t like that.

I don’t really see that at all?

I guess it’s maybe because I would rather keep things in game and I know who you are iirc having played with you before and I’ve seen people lose alts that way.

Yeah but I don’t see why you think anything Gamma said even borders on trying to out me.

[Harley Quinn]

@Math, how and where is STD faking reads? Can you link/quote where you think he’s doing that? I still don’t see how anything Gamma posted pur me at the slightest risk of being outed.

[Harley Quinn]

Getting bad vibes from mathblade

Slight heartburn from ari

Good vibes from dwlee and HQ

Interesting. Why on the others?

For the me I am going to assume that’s SOP considering how many times I have smoked you as scum before.

Here.
If STD had real reads on Ari/Dwlee/HQ he’d be able to attempt to quantify it.

Instead it looks like his plan is to just be annoying.

Saying he has “bad vibes” from you isn’t fake. If you want to argue that’s nowhere close to an actual case, then I’d agree with you but saying he’s doing this to be “annoying”, I really don’t understand. I think you’re annoyed he’s sr you.

[Harley Quinn]

@Math, how and where is STD faking reads? Can you link/quote where you think he’s doing that? I still don’t see how anything Gamma posted pur me at the slightest risk of being outed.

The prior post is an answer to the faking reads

It was the general vibe. Gamma’s pinged me as more of bridging that line I’d rather not cross because it requires you to reference your main.

I disagree that Gamma bridged any lines. All he did was mention different ways some people can play differently on their alts, which just was an elaboration from what Roden had asked me. If I thought either one was trying to out me either intentionally or unintentionally, I definitely wouldn’t be okay with it but I don’t see that from either.

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma is asking her questions because she is playing differently from how she normally plays on her other accounts.

He is not asking for her main, he's asking if she's playing differently for a reason

I that’s not quite it
I don’t know how or why Roden says there’s a difference here, once HQ started providing content it felt like business as usual
I was just trying to clarify Roden’s meaning. But I don’t have full confidence that there isn’t some minute aspect that differs that I’ve never noticed.

I think she is a lot less active than her townself but the game has barely started so it will be fairly obvious later down the line.

I was in a recent game offsite, where I didn’t make a single post d1, barely posted d2, posted little on d3 but suddenly became active on d4 and yes, I was town in that. Activity is ai for me.

[Harley Quinn]

I think Math offering narratives that arent overtly what town wants to do like wagon town (me) makes me think math is town here

In all games, if Math is trying to take the town towards HIS direction - Math town
If Math is trying to let the town do what they want and pander to existing talking points - Math scum

Ill die by this read

That’s not ai for Math, he did that in Heroes’ Wanted too.

Do you have any opinion on his STD push?

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma is asking her questions because she is playing differently from how she normally plays on her other accounts.

He is not asking for her main, he's asking if she's playing differently for a reason

I that’s not quite it
I don’t know how or why Roden says there’s a difference here, once HQ started providing content it felt like business as usual
I was just trying to clarify Roden’s meaning. But I don’t have full confidence that there isn’t some minute aspect that differs that I’ve never noticed.

I think she is a lot less active than her townself but the game has barely started so it will be fairly obvious later down the line.

I was in a recent game offsite, where I didn’t make a single post d1, barely posted d2, posted little on d3 but suddenly became active on d4 and yes, I was town in that. Activity is ai for me.

wut

???

It’s true, I nearly got replaced twice.

[Harley Quinn]

Actually nope

Std is town

I am an idiot

VOTE: Unvote

No I will not say what changed my mind

If I could gladiate mathblade right now I would

As the red wave of doom tries to envelop me in darkness I jump up into my starship and press shields to maximum power as I launch myself towards a giant red planet with a pi symbol on it pew pew pew

This?

[Harley Quinn]

Math catching up makes me confident to say thats hes town or at least hes doing this because he recognizes that ill spot if hes doing the same shtick he did from our last game

What shtick did he do in your last game?

[Harley Quinn]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89313

Here you go HQ.

I was more laid back because most of active town blew itself up that game. There was a point when Jackson fake claimed a guilty on HEM but then backed off which luckily defused the wagon or town probably would have won.

I loathe fake guilties on principle.

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma is asking her questions because she is playing differently from how she normally plays on her other accounts.

He is not asking for her main, he's asking if she's playing differently for a reason

I that’s not quite it
I don’t know how or why Roden says there’s a difference here, once HQ started providing content it felt like business as usual
I was just trying to clarify Roden’s meaning. But I don’t have full confidence that there isn’t some minute aspect that differs that I’ve never noticed.

I think she is a lot less active than her townself but the game has barely started so it will be fairly obvious later down the line.

I was in a recent game offsite, where I didn’t make a single post d1, barely posted d2, posted little on d3 but suddenly became active on d4 and yes, I was town in that. Activity is ai for me.

wut

???

It’s true, I nearly got replaced twice.

You seem to be saying you’d be more active as scum? Or is it specifically that the low presence is a towntell?

No, I’ve lurked out as town, I’ve lurked out as scum. I’m saying activity is never a reliable alignment tell, which is something I’ve stated numerous times in games. I’ve done any and everything activitywise in games as every possible alignment and that includes 3p.

[Harley Quinn]

Meh changing it up

HEM Implosion Mala/Roden...... then maybe Math.

That last Implosion post fished 6 alternative wagons to HEM while claiming to be ok with an HEM wagon.

Can you explain Implosion, Mala, Roden?

[Harley Quinn]

I'm worried now I'm tunneling mathblade but I still think he could be scum.

Ari is there a reason you didn't vote mathblade

Not sure what to make of Math, hated his initial replace in but his subsequent posting has been fine. \_0_/

[Harley Quinn]

UNVOTE:

I actually got content and reads from Ari/math, that wasn't just about mechanics and maths!

About a million pages ago someone asked if I thought klicks answer about numbers was towny: yes, for the same reasons as I did dweelee's. Also, this is town!math, this is exactly the mech based moon logic they used in team mafia where they were wrong and wedded to set up ideas that looked scummy.

Implosion's 863 is skeevy af. Town read gone.

I think Titus could be town.

I'm not loving Roden. People have mentioned they are capable of deep wolfing but im not seeing much at all.

The thread seems to think I should have a lot more opinions about hem than I do.

I'm quiet because this game seems quite mech/set up spec heavy at the moment and I suck at it.

That was me and thanks.

[Harley Quinn]

Hey @harley quin, where's your head at?

You’ll have to be a lot more specific. I’m still trying to figure out the game.

[Harley Quinn]

UNVOTE:

I actually got content and reads from Ari/math, that wasn't just about mechanics and maths!

About a million pages ago someone asked if I thought klicks answer about numbers was towny: yes, for the same reasons as I did dweelee's. Also, this is town!math, this is exactly the mech based moon logic they used in team mafia where they were wrong and wedded to set up ideas that looked scummy.

Implosion's 863 is skeevy af. Town read gone.

I think Titus could be town.

I'm not loving Roden. People have mentioned they are capable of deep wolfing but im not seeing much at all.

The thread seems to think I should have a lot more opinions about hem than I do.

I'm quiet because this game seems quite mech/set up spec heavy at the moment and I suck at it.

Can you elaborate more about 863?

[Harley Quinn]

I think Ari's leading theory of HEM/Enchant/Math is very solid, in the sense that it's almost certainly not perfectly correct (because calling the scumteam at this point is atrociously unlikely) but that I think it's got great odds of going 2 for 3 and I like the fact that someone with a lot of sway in the gamestate is pushing it.

I don't know how I feel about Mathblade's alignment right now; I think probably in practice there's a good chance he'll never do anything that I will be able to confidently glean a read from.

I essentially have a sort of backlog of people that I want to make sure see some amount of centrality in the game at some point, because they haven't been in the thick of things enough. Of course still Dwlee, as well as Bella and Roden and probably Harley as well. Not even gonna put Enchant on the list because I'm fully convinced Enchant is not going to play this game.

How do you have 3 associative so confidently this early in the game?

[Harley Quinn]

implo you're going to hate this but the impression I get from your conversation with mathblade is that he's town and you're mafia and you know hem is mafia and you can't believe how absurdly wrong mathblade is. hehe

Agreed.

Ugh HEM wagon is dying. Will vote Implosion if there's support there.

No on Ari.

It’s a bad take Implosion has regardless. Scum!Math wouldn’t hard defend a buddy that way but leaning Math town. The fact that he’s pissing off Ari, is typical town!Math.

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

why does roden look bad
I'm starting to get worried about you because our thought processes feel out of sync

Roden’s null for me but wrt Titus, she was my hydra partner in a game and we were not in sync, so I don’t see why you’d be worried if your reads aren’t the same?

[Harley Quinn]

normally I mesh rlly well with town!Titus
I'm not getting that feeling rn, so I'm concerned
I felt similar in mini 2272

I wish people would provide links rather than just numbers, that makes it a lot easier to look them up. But you’re saying, if Titus has different takes than you, that’s somehow scum indicative? Because I don’t think that’s necessarily a great metric to read someone. In reverse yes, mindmelding is usually a good sign but the converse by itself isn’t necessarily. Tone-wise she feels townie to me here.

[Harley Quinn]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

[Harley Quinn]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=21512

Anyway, scum!Titus.

[Harley Quinn]

hi, my exam schedule is very tight right now and I've had some mental health issues, I don't want to lurk out of dats' game so I'm going to try to keep up the best I can but I'm probably going to have to only engage lightly and hopefully I'll do a proper catch up later. Hopefully I'll be around for a bit to answer any questions.

I have read all the posts so far (albeit not in as much depth as I should have done) - I think STD's posting is fluid and genuine enough that I'm willing to townread him - I think I townread Bella's lynch pool just because it's so like, blatantly opportunistic and going out of her way to expand it to all the people under pressure like enchant and HEM seems a bit on the nose, if that makes sense

I'm not sure on math yet and probably need to put more time into sorting him. I am mildly suspicious of the read on me he gave tbh and iirc he scumread implo for a pretty similar reason (not behaving as town would in broad strokes even if it's more likely a matter of playstyle? Like I can't see implosion playing totally different as town and going around tunneling people) Math do you have any, like, examples of players who are nice as scum but not as town? Is that actually a thing that happens?

Titus I definitely see where your read on Roden is coming from but how is that not also true for Dwlee?

I think she said they picked the same number. I actually don’t put a lot of stock in math but I’m not currently getting scum vibes from either. I also don’t understand why Mala is scummy other than her low posting if that is even ai for her?

I currently feel the best about Ausuka and bella. Beyond that Idk.

[Harley Quinn]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

[Harley Quinn]

One thing that did make me wonder @Math was her reaction to your theory about her picking the number she did to be vanilla and she said it would be stupid to do that. But I don’t see why anyone picks the number she did, if they’re not hoping to get vanilla, so her response to that didn’t really make a lot of sense while your theory did.

[Harley Quinn]

The number theory Titus has is meaningless because hypothetically scum could pick the same number to look unaligned, especially a single digit number. Not saying either are scum especially based on this but her theory is not good.

[Harley Quinn]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

I already said this somewhere. No repeats and Roden is scummy.

Why is he scummy? And I don’t understand what you’re saying here?

[Harley Quinn]

The number theory Titus has is meaningless because hypothetically scum could pick the same number to look unaligned, especially a single digit number. Not saying either are scum especially based on this but her theory is not good.

They could, but it's unlikely given they'd sabotage themselves to be near the bottom

I’m just saying that it’s not a good metric. A scumteam could prioritize roles or associatives. If the latter, that would be an excellent way to distance. I’m saying, this reasoning of yours is flawed.

[Harley Quinn]

One thing that did make me wonder @Math was her reaction to your theory about her picking the number she did to be vanilla and she said it would be stupid to do that. But I don’t see why anyone picks the number she did, if they’re not hoping to get vanilla, so her response to that didn’t really make a lot of sense while your theory did.

I did this before to take a low priority PR.

I guess that’s possible. Were you successful?

[Harley Quinn]

From all my wagon, i only got actual heat from ari so i might belueve that shes the least likely to be scum here cause ive been mulling over that she might be genuine

I also believe that ari jumped on me super strongly in a way that makes me think she was misrepping me and trying to discredit me

???
these thoughts seem at odds

Idk, I contradict myself a lot but he mentioned the word “misrep” so idk?

Contradicting myself is town indicative for me because it means I’m constantly questioning things but that’s me. For a player like Titus otoh, it could be a scumtell.

[Harley Quinn]

From all my wagon, i only got actual heat from ari so i might belueve that shes the least likely to be scum here cause ive been mulling over that she might be genuine

I also believe that ari jumped on me super strongly in a way that makes me think she was misrepping me and trying to discredit me

???
these thoughts seem at odds

Idk, I contradict myself a lot but he mentioned the word “misrep” so idk?

Contradicting myself is town indicative for me because it means I’m constantly questioning things but that’s me. For a player like Titus otoh, it could be a scumtell.

Contradictions alone aren't AI. It's the context.

Yeah, I agree but I constantly question myself especially if someone who’s reads I trust strongly differs from my own. Sometimes that’s a good thing, other times I kick myself for allowing myself to be influenced. I got wrongly sr in a game awhile back for briefly doing a complete 180 on a player than again reversing it. So that’s just me. It’s also true for a player like RC who waffling is town indicative.

[Harley Quinn]

From all my wagon, i only got actual heat from ari so i might belueve that shes the least likely to be scum here cause ive been mulling over that she might be genuine

I also believe that ari jumped on me super strongly in a way that makes me think she was misrepping me and trying to discredit me

???
these thoughts seem at odds

Idk, I contradict myself a lot but he mentioned the word “misrep” so idk?

Contradicting myself is town indicative for me because it means I’m constantly questioning things but that’s me. For a player like Titus otoh, it could be a scumtell.

why bring up Titus? this was about HEM, and maybe indirectly about Ari

Because in games I played with scum!her she did that quite a bit. I have no meta on either one, so I wouldn’t know.

[Harley Quinn]

Hq is pretty town

Should I be paranoid you’re reading me correctly?

That could also apply to Math.

[Harley Quinn]

I really feel Dwlee is scum.

Titus hasn’t given a reason other than “matching” and “trying”

I don’t see that here from them.

Is Titus likely to pocket you? I know she did in that normal.

[Harley Quinn]

Hq is pretty town

Should I be paranoid you’re reading me correctly?

That could also apply to Math.

I actually don’t have a hard read on you.

You’re in my not today pile because you’re not obvious.

I don’t think I ever hard TR you because (reasons related to main).

That makes sense, considering you read me incorrectly in the last two games I played with you. I like this answer because if you hard tr me, I’d probably be suspicious based on our history.

[Harley Quinn]

I really feel Dwlee is scum.

Titus hasn’t given a reason other than “matching” and “trying”

I don’t see that here from them.

Is Titus likely to pocket you? I know she did in that normal.

She didn’t copy me in that normal you linked.

I had her sus from the moment go.

She could try to pocket me or not if she’s scum.

It depends on her agenda and if I am helping it or not.

Her push on claimed tpr!Scorpius was scummy af but I read it more like trying to get you off her back.

[Harley Quinn]

1) The more time passes, the more I don't really buy that Enchant should be 100% no-holds-barred off the table today. There's no universe in which scum are gonna NK them over e.g. HQ and Gamma, who are 2nd and 3rd in the draft and widely townread. They are Simply Not Playing The Game. They're going to continue not playing the game on future days. And yes, they're a guaranteed PR... which includes as scum. Enchant could be a scum 1-shot vig or 2-shot PGO, among other dangerous roles. Shouldn't whether or not they're a good elimination depend at least a little bit on whether or not they're scummy? And right now they're playing exactly the same game (read: non-game) they played in chromavalon.

the way I think about Enchant is as follows[do not respond to this in any way that outs your role pls]

Even if Enchant is scum, they should be Ascetic Cop because denying town the most powerful TPR is much stronger than gaining an extra kill via say 1 shot vig imo.

Let's say in both worlds Enchant is an Ascetic Cop because it is the strongest TPR [this is an assumption]

Scum are obligated to kill Enchant rather than let Enchant get a bunch of results. If scum leave him alive for 2 nights and we paranoia lim him on day 3, he will out 2 results which is basically like giving us 2 masons or better if he finds scum.

as for PGO being a threat - um I don't really think it makes any sense for any town role to target enchant ever - if they r scum, they will be outted by the virtue of not dying. If they are town, um whats the point of targetting them?

I do agree he is quite scummy by not playing but I've seen him not play as town b4 so it's kind of like ~shrug~. If he's scum he will get outted anyway by virtue of living too long.

scum could also take roleblocker which iirc is on the same card as ascetic cop
also, enchant took neighborizer last time I saw him play this setup (as scum), so I wouldn't bet on him taking ascetic cop this game as either alignment, he seems to take what he likes vs. what is best

I agree with this. Ari assumes I’m assuming, that because town!her’s first pick would be AC. it would defacto be everyone’s default pick. I agree, it’s totally player dependent.

[Harley Quinn]

I think picking ascetic cop is much stronger than picking a jailkeeper/roleblocker type role because ascetic cop can't be blocked in the first place and by picking it you are essentially permanently blocking the cop.

Absolutely.

Mafia players don't always play optimally.

Again, this isn't really

important

, I'm just annoyed that we're basically Contractually Obligated to let Enchant not-play-the-game for 2-3 days.

If someone else was playing like Enchant has this game with top pick, would you have the same attitude towards them?

Enchant was being blatantly scummy and weird in that game Implosion linked. Here he’s just nai for me so far.

[Harley Quinn]

I hate that y’all are agreeing with me now when I said it to Ari and was treated as being ridiculous

Another thing I’m thinking is that it would be extremely stupid for anyone to pick 1 and AC if they had any familiarity with the setup. So I could see that making way more sense in a closed set up because why put an automatic target on your back?

[Harley Quinn]

https://blogs.stjude.org/progress/hypot ... iable.html

Here’s another explanation.

Ari makes a lot of assumptions like high number picks defacto=likely town. These kind of takes are bad because scum can abuse that like Ausuka pointed out in that previous incarnation of this game.

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma Emerald << Town I think? More active than most scum games

what is your meta basis for this? I'm not always active as scum but I'd say in the early game I can be pretty active as scum

I can’t think of a specific game you just seem quieter as scum.

Gamma’s actually correct that activity is nai for him, it’s the quality and nuance of his reads that matter.

[Harley Quinn]

I think picking ascetic cop is much stronger than picking a jailkeeper/roleblocker type role because ascetic cop can't be blocked in the first place and by picking it you are essentially permanently blocking the cop.

Absolutely.

Mafia players don't always play optimally.

Again, this isn't really

important

, I'm just annoyed that we're basically Contractually Obligated to let Enchant not-play-the-game for 2-3 days.

Don’t get me wrong, Implosion gives me scum pings

But you’ve already been told off by me and implosion

So *shrug*

Who do you scumread besides HEM?

yeah I don't think I like that post by implo

Activity really isn’t much of a tell either way for Enchant, weirdness otoh is, which is what he was in that game he linked. This is also an entirely different setup, so unless Implosion can find more than one gzme to base that read on, I don’t put much stock in it.

[Harley Quinn]

you accused std of scumreading you because you smoked him too many times as scum

the subtext is that he's town.

I don't think math addressed this yet, I'd like if he would

I did? Or if I follow I don’t know what you’re asking so can’t address it?

I think it’s SOP for StD?

why do you not think StD could be using you as a scapegoat or smth?

smth?

[Harley Quinn]

normally I mesh rlly well with town!Titus
I'm not getting that feeling rn, so I'm concerned
I felt similar in mini 2272

I wish people would provide links rather than just numbers, that makes it a lot easier to look them up. But you’re saying, if Titus has different takes than you, that’s somehow scum indicative? Because I don’t think that’s necessarily a great metric to read someone. In reverse yes, mindmelding is usually a good sign but the converse by itself isn’t necessarily. Tone-wise she feels townie to me here.

I don't have to agree with Titus
I just have to feel comfortable about her reads/get her thought process

Yeah, that makes total sense.

[Harley Quinn]

I agree with this. Ari assumes I’m assuming, that because town!her’s first pick would be AC. it would defacto be everyone’s default pick. I agree, it’s totally player dependent.

implosion's take on it was probably pretty similar to mine

I don’t think it even makes sense to pick 1 AC because that would make you the first NK and then your pick would be wasted.

[Harley Quinn]

I think picking ascetic cop is much stronger than picking a jailkeeper/roleblocker type role because ascetic cop can't be blocked in the first place and by picking it you are essentially permanently blocking the cop.

Absolutely.

Mafia players don't always play optimally.

Again, this isn't really

important

, I'm just annoyed that we're basically Contractually Obligated to let Enchant not-play-the-game for 2-3 days.

If someone else was playing like Enchant has this game with top pick, would you have the same attitude towards them?

Enchant was being blatantly scummy and weird in that game Implosion linked. Here he’s just nai for me so far.

thoughts on enchant in relation to chromavalon?
I don't like his Ari vote

Nai for Enchant. Ari says she will policy him on d3, so he votes her.

[Harley Quinn]

A smattering of points on hem. I'm going to do this by just going backwards through his ISO because it'll hopefully avoid common ground with previous cases (plus I think their recent play is worse than their early play). And I will start by re-mentioning this. Their most recent post is very similar, and fit in line with what I described of hem's play being aesthetic rather than material: rather than picking out specific people and targeting them, or trying to appeal to specific people on the wagon, or really making any real effort to use their wagon to find scum... they just say "watch out for people who just rode this wagon". That'd be 8 people if the wagon goes to lim. Not exactly a useful statement. In context, as a last post they're making before they won't be available for a while (and where they think they could be limmed while gone) it feels even scummier; I think natural town inclinations in that situation would be things like a final reads list or a couple specific scumreads, or even something vindictive directed at people on the wagon. But a general "this wagon on me is sus" is utterly useless to the town in the event that hem is limmed.

The closest they got to calling out specific people on the wagon was here. They called out Aristeia for a while but even got shaky on that. I think what speaks volumes on their alignment is what's absent in their ISO, rather than what's present. 122 posts and as far as I can tell they have given exactly two actual reads: a now-retracted scumread on Aristeia that is the focus of roughly half their ISO, and an "I'll die by this read" townread on Mathblade. For most of the game they've been the second-most active player and yet they've left not a trace to tie themself to any other player. This is the brunt of what I mean by asethetic rather than substantive: while they are engaging with the game, they are not making any claims, reaching any conclusions, or, to borrow from MathBlade, creating any hypotheses.

Could be scum but cp, where are his buddies defending him or do you think he’s possibly being bussed? Basically if HEM is scum, it would appear that his buddies are fine with his lim, unless you think it’s Math because I don’t think anyone else is trying to derail that wagon.

That may mean absolutely nothing though. It’s possible he’s scum and buddies are quiet but unless he and Math are SvS, if HEM is scum here, his buddies if not Math (and I don’t think Math would hard defend a buddy like that) are remaining quiet.

So what are your thoughts on that?

Of course, anyone pushing a cw counterwagon could possibly be a potential buddy if HEM is scum but it’s also possible Math could be right. I don’t have any srs yet. I briefly thought Math but I currently lean not. \_0_/

[Harley Quinn]

The other weird quirk of this game that I do want to make mention of is this weird conflation of Dwlee and Roden by some people, partially including me. I think I've done this because in my mind they're both "not in the thick of things", though in slightly different ways. It feels like neither has been involved in any major arguments, or been the major person pushing any perspective, etc. I think this weird coupling will become naturally decoupled as they each take more committal stances and have prolonged direct interactions with other individual people, because those are the things I feel are lacking.

The issue with this setup is the open draft. While I wouldn’t give anyone a pass for pretty much doing nothing, that’s also something to factor in as well, especially on d1.

[Harley Quinn]

I think that whatever HEM is, not giving reads isn’t great and people who are more focussed on giving trs are more likely to be town here than absolutely anything else.

[Harley Quinn]

Lurking for purpose is pretty boring.

What does that even mean? I lurk if I don’t have anything worthwhile to contribute. If I have a purpose, I will likely say something.

[Harley Quinn]

Hq is pretty town

I liked their recent posting wrt HQ and dwlee

Ari no longer gives me heartburn

anyone else think roden should have done more by now? I think that's the main one i'd like to pursue

take your pick

i like HQs posting

I like yours too but fear you may be pocketing me because you’re generally not good at reading me. Gamma otoh, usually is.

[Harley Quinn]

I would say I am okay at reading you

I would strongly disagree with that.

[Harley Quinn]

I would strongly disagree with your disagreeal

I was beyond bleeding obvtown in HDP and you couldn’t see it all.

[Harley Quinn]

I’m really not trying to be either argumentative or difficult but there are some games where I’ve done things that are pretty much impossible for me to ever replicate as scum and HDP is definitely one of those games and imo, anyone. not being able to clearly see I was town in that, isn’t imho okay at reading me. If you misread me in a game where it is far less obvious than that one, I’d view it differently.

[Harley Quinn]

that's one example

jsyk, I am much better at seeing through pocketing than I used to be, so as I said I currently like your posting, so I’ll shelve the paranoia for now.

[Harley Quinn]

@harley

, outside of his read on you, what's your thoughts on StD?

I currently like his posting but for someone not particularly great at reading me, he seems a little too confident in his read on me.

It’s hard to separate the two. \_0_/

[Harley Quinn]

i would argue that my confidence comes from pretty much getting you right in every other game we've played together

I don’t recall you ever expressing this degree of confidence as town, in townreading me before.

[Harley Quinn]

and if i were pocketing you i'd definitely shut up and take it lol

When you did it to me as scum, you totally fooled me. I was like your biggest defender in that game. And here, you are expressing so much confidence in your read on me and I really don’t even think I’ve done all that much.

[Harley Quinn]

ngl what Harley is saying is starting to resonate in my thinkpan a bit
I noticed in a prior game that nero cain tends to have reads on me that are inverse to his alignment
the only exception would be singleball games where I'm scum against him, and I think he's 50/50 on those

He also is kind’ve making a big deal about how much he’s liking my posts here, which is something I don’t recall ever seeing him do to me before.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm wouldn't bet the farm on you being town yet I just kept seeing posting that made me think town so I kept saying it

If you want I can clarify it with exact posts but I'm lazy

Like I said, maybe it’s just unfounded paranoia but while I’d say I’m pretty townie atp, I think I’m no where near obvtown. And that’s what I guess my disconnect with you here. I expect this kind of read on me when I’ve obvtowned but when I know I haven’t, it kind’ve weirds me out, especially coming from a player who normally doesn’t do that.

[Harley Quinn]

So for Gamma or even Titus to have such a confident read on me makes more sense to me. Sorry if I’m making too much of this STD but I can’t help feeling a bit paranoid.

[Harley Quinn]

I’ve not decided yet. Rn, I lean to voting HEM but feel kind’ve icky doing it while the dude is in surgery. I don’t vote just for the sake of voting ever and I won’t be pressured into doing it.

[Harley Quinn]

I’ve not decided yet. Rn, I lean to voting HEM but feel kind’ve icky doing it while the dude is in surgery. I don’t vote just for the sake of voting ever and I won’t be pressured into doing it.

However, I’m far from confident on that read or any other. I have more confidence in who I think is likely town. I don’t have any confident srs yet.

[Harley Quinn]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

MathBlade [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Aristeia, Bellaphant

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

HarleyQuinn can you please vote somewhere?

@Math why did you single me out when neither bella or Ari are currently voting anyone?

[Harley Quinn]

I'm fine with waiting for HEM to come back and give actual reads/thoughts because either:

(1) he's town and these will be useful later when we know he's town after we flip him

(2) he's scum and these will be useful later when we know he's scum after we flip him

(3) he's scum and he won't post anything useful and anti-spew and this will make this lim more of a slam dunk.

+1

Yeah, if it was near deadline it would obviously be different but when someone is v/la we can’t get any additional content from them.

What do you think of Math pressuring me to vote? Unless, I strongly sr someone or I think they may be possibly shitpushing me, I’m not extremely likely to vote early on d1 unless I’m somehow really feeling the whole rvs thing and it’s past that.

[Harley Quinn]

i think he just wants more data

Extremely ironically, I almost voted Math for his initial STD progression and was actually planning to vote him but then he’s made a bunch of posts that makes me currently lean town on him.

@Titus, would you say you’re pretty decent at reading Math?

[Harley Quinn]

When HEM gets back, hopefully he gives some reads and explains them. If it was near deadline rn, I’d probably vote him but I want to see what he does after Friday.

[Harley Quinn]

Why are people townreading math when his read on me is awful

You can’t parse Math solely based off of reads. I don’t agree with his reads but he’s reminding me quite a bit here of White Flag.

[Harley Quinn]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

MathBlade [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [4]:

Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Aristeia, Bellaphant

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

HarleyQuinn can you please vote somewhere?

@Math why did you single me out when neither bella or Ari are currently voting anyone?

Because Bella I know won’t vote until she’s ready

Ari has made her positions clear where as you not voting is weird

No it isn’t. I’m the same as bella, how do you not know that?

[Harley Quinn]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=22566

Anyway, White Flag

[Harley Quinn]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

Math still can’t read me, all is well.

[Harley Quinn]

You are different

I don’t think you’re lying, I actually think you probably don’t remember. Duckling made an issue of my not voting in a different game, when in the very game he was modding, my hydra partner A50, gave me grief for not having voted yet anywhere.

It really annoys me when people misconstrue my meta. My not having voted anywhere is not remotely weird for me. It happens in a good majority of my games in fact.

[Harley Quinn]

You are different

I don’t think you’re lying, I actually think you probably don’t remember. Duckling made an issue of my not voting in a different game, when in the very game he was modding, my hydra partner A50, gave me grief for not having voted yet anywhere.

It really annoys me when people misconstrue my meta. My not having voted anywhere is not remotely weird for me. It happens in a good majority of my games in fact.

And yes, I was town in both. So I have no idea where you got the idea that not voting early on d1 is ever remotely “weird” for me.

I neither vote nor make reads I’m not confident on because when I ever have, people either tell me those reads suck or I don’t believe in my reasons for voting, which would obviously be true. So you can make a federal case of that all you like but none of that is ever a valid reason to sr me.

[Harley Quinn]

I’m really not trying to be either argumentative or difficult but there are some games where I’ve done things that are pretty much impossible for me to ever replicate as scum and HDP is definitely one of those games and imo, anyone. not being able to clearly see I was town in that, isn’t imho okay at reading me. If you misread me in a game where it is far less obvious than that one, I’d view it differently.

I think it's just because posts like these more likely come from town!you vs scum!you.

To add on to this, I don't really get the sense that you're trying to get town read. I think you're just vibing in this game and suspicious of the fact that you're getting town read for it vs when you do actively try to get town read and don't succeed.

Well yeah, when I really tryhard like I did in HDP, it’s extremely upsetting not to be tr. Few things are as soul crushing to me as putting my blood, sweat and tears into a game as much as I did in that game and STILL get miselimed.

Damn it! Roden, you need to get out of my head.

[Harley Quinn]

HQ pls vote Math

If this was FL here treating me the way Math is, 100%. I will admit the “weird” not voting thing does make me wonder though but he also misrepped me comparably in Pokemon too, so idk?

Like he really can be this bad as town. He pushed Titus to practically deathtunnel me in a past tm game, what for? I still don’t even understand.

I actually am more concerned with his switch on you, since I think you’re probably the most obvious town in this game and Math seems to be exhibiting an extreme lack of self-awareness here not to see why his play is looking scummy but scum!Math cares more about being liked and not making too many waves.

[Harley Quinn]

sorry
you saying FL caused me to bluescreen

anyway Math can have bad reads as town but like Titus there's generally at least an ability to understand where he's coming from
I also think he's generating a lot of friction which feels like it might be indicative of scum!him?
in addition Klick basically did a rinse-repeat of the last time I saw him as scum

Yeah, I didn’t like Klick’s opening post but bella tr it, so \_0_/

Titus is different though, there’s very few - especially recently - games where she is ever near this bad but I did hate his STD progression. It felt fake to me but why does scum!him try to alienate me and not only me, pretty much near the whole damn playerlist looks like?

Also, I don’t see HEM/Math as buddies and HEM has only given 2 reads so far.

Like if Math is scum here, he’s playing extremely suboptimally no?

[Harley Quinn]

@Gamma, can you quote/link me where he tried to cause friction as scum?

[Harley Quinn]

Titus is there any particular reason you've created this weird dichotomy between me and Dwlee? I don't see any particular reason why you would think there's one scum between the two of us. And sorry but it's major stretch to say Dwlee has had an "impact" or that they've tried to, this just feels like typical Day 1 effort Dwlee.

The vibe you're giving off is that since you think one of us is scum that we should be in opposition to each other, but I don't have any particular interest in proving myself to be townier than them. I have zero interest in pursuing them at all today as they're usually a slow burn read for me nowadays. If Dwlee has anything to pursue me on they'll do it of their own accord, not because you trying to nudge us into a fight.

This is absolutely not my position.

My position is that you're not S v S.
I feel that you're scummy and therefore Dwlee is town.

I could still be wrong on you, hence why my vote isn't on you.

This is literally what I said??

Roden still has no drive to solve. HEM should be the lim.

this feels patently false

Roden just appeared and his only posting was a misrep so far.

Why are you lying?

Titus Dwlee Gamma? I was tring them before but I don’t like how they volunteered they aren’t TRing me yet are off HEM. That disconnect is weird.

I think if any of those are off I look at Harley and implosion.

Actually Math, this is really bad, I missed the word “any” when I first read this. You are essentially saying that if you are even wrong on any one of these, you potentially suss me and why? For not not having voted yet because you’re bullying me too when I still haven’t yet made up my mind?

And how is Gamma scum here? You’re reads are actually much worse here than in White Flag and Gamma isn’t wrong. In that game, you were more willing to listen.

[Harley Quinn]

@Gamma, can you quote/link me where he tried to cause friction as scum?

dunno if it's intentional but I would probably say to look at micro 1053 (Inspector Rean)

I will save you time

I have attempted to cause friction as scum

But that was a broken micro so *shrug*

How about either of you link me, so that I can see it for myself?

[Harley Quinn]

It’s more relational things

HEM I really don’t think he’s scum. I can look at the people who sus HEM yet don’t have a commitment to vote there

I scumread Dwlee as they’re not following their meta ans Titus is sus. The remainder I am sorting out

I actually haven’t made up my mind on ANYBODY yet and won’t until it’s closer to deadline. If that’s allowed?

[Harley Quinn]

hi im in a lot of pain. can someone give me a rundown of how everyone will solve the game moving forward and if i'm satisfied I'll allow my elim. 80085 got me vanilla. i dont think there's much fighting this.

No one really has done much.

People are just posturing.

You haven’t responded to any of my recent posts since you PoE’d me for failing to vote on command.

[Harley Quinn]

It’s more relational things

HEM I really don’t think he’s scum. I can look at the people who sus HEM yet don’t have a commitment to vote there

I scumread Dwlee as they’re not following their meta ans Titus is sus. The remainder I am sorting out

I actually haven’t made up my mind on ANYBODY yet and won’t until it’s closer to deadline. If that’s allowed?

This is the only one seemingly not responded to and it’s not up to me

No, there’s several. Not voting early isn’t a valid reason to sr me ever and how do you not tr Gamma?

[Harley Quinn]

HEM can you give us a reads list

+1

HEM, you kind’ve sound resigned to your lim, are you?

[Harley Quinn]

It’s more relational things

HEM I really don’t think he’s scum. I can look at the people who sus HEM yet don’t have a commitment to vote there

I scumread Dwlee as they’re not following their meta ans Titus is sus. The remainder I am sorting out

I actually haven’t made up my mind on ANYBODY yet and won’t until it’s closer to deadline. If that’s allowed?

This is the only one seemingly not responded to and it’s not up to me

No, there’s several. Not voting early isn’t a valid reason to sr me ever and how do you not tr Gamma?

Because I don’t? Like ???

I told you that saying that’s “weird” for me is unnaccurare and verifiable by my meta and you didn’t comment on that.

[Harley Quinn]

Why do you scum read Gamma?

Because I don’t tr him yet

It’s hard to explain a negative

Not tr him YET=putting him in your PoE?

[Harley Quinn]

It’s more relational things

HEM I really don’t think he’s scum. I can look at the people who sus HEM yet don’t have a commitment to vote there

I scumread Dwlee as they’re not following their meta ans Titus is sus. The remainder I am sorting out

I actually haven’t made up my mind on ANYBODY yet and won’t until it’s closer to deadline. If that’s allowed?

This is the only one seemingly not responded to and it’s not up to me

No, there’s several. Not voting early isn’t a valid reason to sr me ever and how do you not tr Gamma?

Because I don’t? Like ???

I told you that saying that’s “weird” for me is unnaccurare and verifiable by my meta and you didn’t comment on that.

Because it didn’t merit a comment

You don’t think I am lying. I find it weird. Is it worth looking up right now? No.

I’d rather Titus or Dwlee

Why is it weird when it’s not remotely unusual for me?

[Harley Quinn]

Why do you scum read Gamma?

Because I don’t tr him yet

It’s hard to explain a negative

Not tr him YET=putting him in your PoE?

For Gamma yes

I usually can TR Gamma early

The fact I can’t is suspicious

There’s nothing inherently scummy but Gamma isn’t town pinging

It’s pretty obvious to me.

[Harley Quinn]

It’s more relational things

HEM I really don’t think he’s scum. I can look at the people who sus HEM yet don’t have a commitment to vote there

I scumread Dwlee as they’re not following their meta ans Titus is sus. The remainder I am sorting out

I actually haven’t made up my mind on ANYBODY yet and won’t until it’s closer to deadline. If that’s allowed?

This is the only one seemingly not responded to and it’s not up to me

No, there’s several. Not voting early isn’t a valid reason to sr me ever and how do you not tr Gamma?

Because I don’t? Like ???

I told you that saying that’s “weird” for me is unnaccurare and verifiable by my meta and you didn’t comment on that.

Because it didn’t merit a comment

You don’t think I am lying. I find it weird. Is it worth looking up right now? No.

I’d rather Titus or Dwlee

Why is it weird when it’s not remotely unusual for me?

It is unusual for you.

You say it is not.

Yet I am not lying.

As I said I do not wish to spend the effort here.

I find it weird.

That’s a blatant misrep even if it isn’t intentional. I never lie about my meta. One of us is clearly wrong and I know it isn’t me.

[Harley Quinn]

if nothing like that then nvm me. just wait for when im better. if there is, i wanna hear it!

yep!

HEM can you give us a reads list

I can’t tell if he’s resigned town or in antispew and I can’t until he gives us some reads. I don’t want to be a bitch and push this knowing he’s in pain but I would like it if he helped me to get a more confident read on him.

[Harley Quinn]

@math

can you provide examples of you finding town!me early in past games?

Probably I just don’t care to right now

I feel like this is happening a lot with you

Is being obstinate ai for Math? I don’t recall either way?

[Harley Quinn]

idk
but I dislike how he's being hard to work with when it comes to explaining reads
which is ironic because I think he pushed StD for that earlier

Well having you in his PoE because he isn’t tr yet really doesn’t make a lot of sense as Roden has pointed out and I know that he’s definitely misrepping me by saying my not voting yet is “weird” for me, so it makes me question if actually believes what he’s saying?

Like if he had just said he trs STD, Roden and you and me are nulls, I’d feel a lot better about him.

[Harley Quinn]

idk
but I dislike how he's being hard to work with when it comes to explaining reads
which is ironic because I think he pushed StD for that earlier

I don’t really see a point right now

HEM is the de facto elim

No one is going to change their minds

From HEM’s flip and who scum kill I can see where to go from here

I likely don’t die

There just literally is no point in it

And you’re not reading my posts. How many times have I said I was undecided? The problem is HEM isn’t doing anything to save himself. He’s only given reads on you and Ari, whom he’s still voting despite changing his read on her.

[Harley Quinn]

In all games, if Math is trying to take the town towards HIS direction - Math town
If Math is trying to let the town do what they want and pander to existing talking points - Math scum

Ill die by this read

I wish I could ask HEM which one he thinks it is, since Math seems resigned to him flipping.

[Harley Quinn]

I need to be sold on a scumread, however it does concern me that no one is really trying to save HEM and HEM not doing much could just be related to his just recovering from surgery, so it’s frustrating. Hopefully he does more tomorrow.

Also not sure why he’s claiming vt? It’s kind’ve antitown to do that in case he isn’t flipped and it doesn’t actually tell us anything about his alignment.

[Harley Quinn]

Roden hit the nail on the head. Math hasn’t really adequately explained why HEM is town or Titus/Dwlee scum. However, if Titus doesn’t change her read on Roden, that might be concerning, because he’s very clearly doing stuff now, more than most of the playerlist in fact.

[Harley Quinn]

I’m gonna say Gamma and Roden are now my top trs.

[Harley Quinn]

I’m gonna say Gamma and Roden are now my top trs.

Can you talk to me about Roden?

His recent posts read super solvey to me and I thought even his post about my alts looked like an attempt to sort me.

VOTE: Mathblade

I’ve been thinking a lot about the game and I don’t believe Math means anything he said. The 180 on STD looked fake af and he’s tunnelling Dwlee, idi why? He sr’s Ausaka for being “nice”. My bs detector totally went off at that. I actually believe her sr on Dwlee is genuine though unlike Math’s.

The putting one of the most obvtown players in his PoE because he’s usually trs Gamma early or some more nonsense is what really put it over. He called him tvt but all that changed after he voted him.

[Harley Quinn]

I need to be sold on a scumread, however it does concern me that no one is really trying to save HEM and HEM not doing much could just be related to his just recovering from surgery, so it’s frustrating. Hopefully he does more tomorrow.

Also not sure why he’s claiming vt? It’s kind’ve antitown to do that in case he isn’t flipped and it doesn’t actually tell us anything about his alignment.

Math sure is trying to save HEM.

And I feel like scum here going out of their way to save HEM-scum would be pretty difficult to do in a way that doesn't tie you to HEM here.

He also seems pretty deflated about it to and I would think town!Math trying to save town!HEM would move heaven and earth trying to save him but it’s also possible HEM is a Math pocket but Math’s very obvious unhappiness about that wagon leads me to think otherwise. Basically I’m nullscum on HEM and hard sr Math.

[Harley Quinn]

corrrection: leanscum not nullscum

Also town!Math sounds really genuine and here he seems to be sr people who don’t fall in line. He was tr me until I didn’t blindly go along with the program. Had I said raw raw Dwlee!scum and voted them, he’d probably be hard tr me for it. He switched his scumread on Ausuka after she voted them.

[Harley Quinn]

I am actually using this to prove HEM town.

If people actually believed I was scum with HEM they’d all still be voting HEM like Ari says

Since I can’t explain it with words then I can explain it by using people’s wagon movements

I’m voting you because you’re objectively scummier and the main reason I think HEM is likely scum is associatives with YOU.

I’m like 99.99999% sure you’re flipping scum.

[Harley Quinn]

Those who genuinely think HEM is scum would want to stay on HEM scum. They wouldn’t destroy one wagon to move to a maybe wagon where some people townread me.

Ergo HEM is town and I am town

Restart RVS if you have to.

Or you’re both scum

Extremely likely but Math is flaming obvscum. To those of you doubting this look at his reasoning for pretty much any of his reads: Ausuka scum (before she got lured to the dark side) for being “nice”. Gamma because Mat couldn’t find town!Gamma early enough despite calling them both t/t, rofl and look at his STD progressiin. He went from apparently trying to wagon him to seconds later locktowning him right after STD claimed to want to gladiate him but Math had some secret mysterious reason (that would rival the Caramilk secret) for that 180 which he won’t reveal to us. I could go on and on.

[Harley Quinn]

More confident you’re scum than HEM

I literally bet the game on it.

[Harley Quinn]

Those who genuinely think HEM is scum would want to stay on HEM scum. They wouldn’t destroy one wagon to move to a maybe wagon where some people townread me.

Ergo HEM is town and I am town

Restart RVS if you have to.

Or you’re both scum

Also already addressed in why don’t you want to vote HEM?

You’d “prove” me scum (logically impossible) as I am town

No.

[Harley Quinn]

More confident you’re scum than HEM

I literally bet the game on it.

Still doesn’t vote me

I did vote you.

[Harley Quinn]

Oh you finally did my bad you’re still being bad

You spelled correct wrong.

[Harley Quinn]

Those who genuinely think HEM is scum would want to stay on HEM scum. They wouldn’t destroy one wagon to move to a maybe wagon where some people townread me.

Ergo HEM is town and I am town

Restart RVS if you have to.

Or you’re both scum

Also already addressed in why don’t you want to vote HEM?

You’d “prove” me scum (logically impossible) as I am town

No.

Yep

You scumread HEM yet won’t vote him

You don’t want the egg on your face when HEM flips town

There won’t be egg when you flip scum. You want me to vote HEM now? Because you think you can somehow mist people into tr you. I’m not wrong.

[Harley Quinn]

The game has been stagnant not because of VLA but because scum don’t want to flip town. People get elimmed all the time on VLA it’s why Ari moved her vote off.

Instead you decided to try to come after me because I am the bigger prize

Well scum got caught and HEM is town

That’s right Math I caught you and you’re unsuccessfully trying to squirm out of it.

[Harley Quinn]

That makes me think I touched on a nerve asking StD a simple question of why and his vote is an absolute overreactio

Call this OMGUS if you want but

VOTE: Std

Let’s go!!!

If I could gladiate mathblade right now I would

As the red wave of doom tries to envelop me in darkness I jump up into my starship and press shields to maximum power as I launch myself towards a giant red planet with a pi symbol on it pew pew pew

Actually nope

Std is town

I am an idiot

VOTE: Unvote

No I will not say what changed my mind

[Harley Quinn]

I think this is my first miselim I might actually enjoy.

Let’s see where this goes.

You’re not fooling me.

[Harley Quinn]

Why do you scum read Gamma?

Because I don’t tr him yet

It’s hard to explain a negative

Not tr him YET=putting him in your PoE?

For Gamma yes

I usually can TR Gamma early

The fact I can’t is suspicious

There’s nothing inherently scummy but Gamma isn’t town pinging

Why not null? Maybe we just sort people differently, but if nothing stands out as AI then a null read would make more sense imo.

If I didn’t know Gamma I’d go with null

But Gamma’s always been an easier read

Last post @Ausuka

@dwlee

why do you feel disengaged this game?

I wouldn't say I feel

particularly

disengaged rn

They’re not “disengaged”

They’re just not here

They’re happy for the TvT

[Harley Quinn]

I'm this amazing thing called busy

Like I started a full time job for the summer and moved across the country busy

If you have anything that isn't "dwlee isn't posting like a bored college student" lmk

Right after I catch scum!him, it suddenly lit a fire undemeath him to save HEM.

Oh and Gamma’s scum because he couldn’t find town!him early enough but despite all that you’re apparently here for the T/T.

He seems to be suffering from selective amnesia on his Gamma read.

[Harley Quinn]

He was sr Gamma right before I hardpushed him but suddenly Dwlee’s here “for the TYT” between him and Gamma.

He just keeps flipping his reads without rhyme or reason on a dime, except for HEM and Dwlee.

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

Ari town for drinking Math koolade more like. Gamma is playing identically here to that Koba normal - which is why Math claiming he couldn’t find town!Gamma is so many layers of horseshit and Titus just obvtowned.

I love all of your posts mistepping me for voting you for tr HEM. HEM may or not be scum but you definitely are. You voted HEM simultaneously insisting he was town because Ari pressured you to do it. When does town!Math ever simultaneously vote the same player and inssts they’re town due to pressure?

And Ari, I’m not voting Math for being “annoying”, I’m voting him because absolutely nothings he’s posting makes an iota of sense or is a genuine townie thought process.

So HEM has pretty high scum equity based off how hard Math has been trying to save him but it’s possible HEM is town being WKed by Math but Math seemed way too upset for that to make sense. Also he seemed resigned to HEM flipping until Implosion pointed out that despite Math’s insisting HEM was town, he was extremely reluctantly accepting it. Now, I expect that if HEM flipps scum, Math will play the I don’t hard defend my buddy sctick.

So Math 99.99999% scum and HEM extremely likely a buddy.

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

[Harley Quinn]

harley

mathblade not making sense

is not scum indicative for him

i have argued for so literally days with town!mathblade.

Town!Math would never ever policy his top townread for any reason nor vote them under pressure. HEM said himself scum!Math panders. He’s pocketing you.

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

to be fair i did kind of twist his arm to get him to vote for hem >.>

You can’t twist town!Math’s arm ever. He does what he wants and he is the kind of townie that will happily die to either take out scum or save a tr. He is never ever self pres as town only as scum.

[Harley Quinn]

Feel better HEM.

No on Dwlee. Roden looks bad and I doubt scum match each other.

Dwlee scum for not posting
Titus scum for saying no on Dwlee without quantifying
Ari town
Std prob town but occasional pings

Everyone else I kinda don’t give a fuck since they don’t want to talk and just sat on HEM

Now we have a game I might give a fuck

So Ari is your only solid town read?

Technically HEM still is but I am down to policy him I kinda don’t want to be right there

But yeah

Everyone else to be reads like they don’t want to talk to me so shrug

Lololol, you want to policy your #1 “tr” to save yourself. Math couldn’t be more scummy if he posted his red role pm.

to be fair i did kind of twist his arm to get him to vote for hem >.>

You can’t twist town!Math’s arm ever. He does what he wants and he is the kind of townie that will happily die to either take out scum or save a tr. He is never ever self pres as town only as scum.

well i think i can cuz when we argue most of the time im right ^_^

If town!Math is beyond convinced about a tr, he digs in his heels. He’s only policying HEM to self-pres - which for Math is extremely scum indicative.

[Harley Quinn]

I'm kinda just in the mood where we can eliminate anyone who isn't Gamma Roden HQ Bella or myself, maybe Ari because she's townblock adjacent and Tring most of the townblock. Thoughts HQ? I'm kinda reluctant to do HEM due to Math. Enchant gtmh ok. Dwlee not feeling it.

That leaves Wallflower Ausuka implosion and Math.


HQ is totally right on Math meta but this game is unlike any I have seen of him. He usually has reads and then jumps to people aren't listening as opposed to why bother posting when no one will listen.

Dwlee is town because this is clearly not scum theatre. Math has been trying to push Dwlee to save HEM.

I liked Wallflower’s entrance but why tf is she voting Implosion, so idk. I think Ausuka is town and wrong. I’m voting the slot that is pretty much guaranteed to flip scum. Ari is confusing town!Math who actually believes what he’s saying no matter how outlandish with scum!Math who doesn’t believe anything he says. That’s the difference.

Does anyone believe that Math genuinely srs Gamma here when he is playing identically to Koba’s mini normal? Or that he ever policy elims his top tr? Neither of these things are synonymous with town!Math.

[Harley Quinn]

I like Ari's townblock minus Math

. I find some of HQ's points somewhat convincing on him, she isn't just saying Math isn't making sense and therefore is scum.

Town!Math actually believes in what he’s saying: ISO him in White Flag or Koba’s mini normal and it’s also super scummy how he keeps misrepping people’s post. Like he keeps pushing this false narrarive that he’s being sr for being the “bigger prize” and that the only reason for that sr is him tr HEM. It’s the converse. Math is independently scummy irrespective of HEM’s alignment. HEM is only moderately scummy independent of Math but it is Math’s play around HEM that makes me most inclined to think HEM is his buddy.

Math willing to policy HEM doesn’t make HEM town, it’s 100% a self-pres gambit and very likely a distancing one as well.

Also his push on Dwlee makes absolutely no sense, no not even for Math. He clearly doesn’t believe what he’s sayihg,

[Harley Quinn]

Alright, well I guess it's ignoring you when I disagree since you've ruled out a productive conversation because you think I am scum.

I'm not even sure you are but I was hoping to at least talk to you about why you have so much trouble here. If that's not a conversation you're ready for, I guess it's Math can be limmed when I disagree because I don't want to deal.

What about a Math Wallflower team?

The meta point meh. Math hates meta. I can let that go. After all, Math should have a decent idea of my meta if he was that kind of player. He's not.

The policy lim I have a problem with.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Math advocate a pl on anyone. Town!Math doesn’t go from this slot is locktown to I’m policying them.

His reads don’t make any sense and he flips them on a dime without rhyme or reason and that is not something town!Math ever does. He’s extremely consistent in reads and the reasoning behind it.

He’s tr Ari because he’s pocketing her. He sr Ausuka for being “nice” and switched his read on her after she voted Dwlee.

I don’t know about Wallflower yet but definitely Math and probably HEM.

[Harley Quinn]

i still think flipping mathblade over hem is a very suboptimal play because the odds of scum!mb WKing a town!hem is extraordinarily low. i think he is way overdoing the defense here.

Fair. I am not sure exactly what Math's agenda is. He's still my favorite lim right now though.

Who exactly is your townblock and your scumblock?

townblock is hq titus gamma std mathblade

i think scum are hem enchant

im shaky on implo think he could be third not anywhere near as good feeling tbh

Trade math for Roden and we’re golden

+1

[Harley Quinn]

However Dwlee is spewed town by scum!Math. This is in no way scum theatre.

[Harley Quinn]

vote count 1.16

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Lol, gee Math, I thought you and HEM were TYT and now you’re voting him?

I have laid out why Math is 99.9999% going to flip scum but it seems not everyone is reading mine, Gamma’s and Titus’ posts? If I had any doubts, I wouldn’t be saying that I’m 99.9999% sure Math is scum. He will flip scum here and if I was kingmaker, I would see to it that he was flipped today.

[Harley Quinn]

I have never said as town that I am 99.9999% certain a player will flip scum and be wrong.

[Harley Quinn]

@titus, why am I town? You tr-ing me is not your town meta (in the neighbour game we just did I literally said I should've known you were scum as you didn't come in and tell me I was awful )

@roden, yes, math's reads were whack in team mafia - we made two particularly sub optimal elims that were partly led by math , but the thing that remind me most was math was ADAMANT that the set up/claimed prs/etc had to be a certain way because they'd obviously been taregtted for a nk at some point. Like, the whole game revolved for two day phases (from maths pov) on him being the nk, in exactly the way he seems adamant about hem - and he never was the nk target.

I could do enchant or dnwelee. Hens response hasn't inspired.

Scum you tends to have trouble engaging but I worry a bit when you aren't voting Math.

@wallflower, enchant, ausaka, time to move your vote

I have never said as town that I am 99.9999% certain a player will flip scum and be wrong.

I am not wrong on this. Math is flipping scum. I worry that Math will somehow mist people into tr him after HEM flip but I feel quite confident the converse won’t happen.

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: hem

Happy to do dweelee or wallflower. Would actually love to do wallflower.

Why Dwlee? He’s town because Math isn’t. Why are you not giving an opinion on any of Gamma’s, Titus’ or my posts wrt to this?

[Harley Quinn]

Wallflower is scum with Math.

HEM is L minus 2
Math is L minus 3

Since based off Math associatives, HEM is probably scum, Math wagon is extremely likely to be alltown. Why? Because Math is voting his former top “tr” HEM and HEM isn’t fighting it.

So if HEM flips red, scum is probably on that or offwagon. I think Math wagon is very likely pure. Roden is still town but it’s far better for the gamestate to lim Math first, that’s why scum is willing to sacrifice HEM, if he’s red and very likely.

I was scum in a game with a double scum wagon on d1, which was between my buddies Titus and I believe Ircher and I felt Titus had a much better chance to go the distance than Ircher, so I strategically bussed the weaker of my two buddies.

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: hem

Happy to do dweelee or wallflower. Would actually love to do wallflower.

Why Dwlee? They’re town because Math isn’t. Why are you not giving an opinion on any of Gamma’s, Titus’ or my posts wrt to this?

THEY

Why do I keep fucking up with this? I am so extremely sorry Dwlee.

[Harley Quinn]

@Dwlee I feel so terrible about accidentally misgendering you. Please accept my sincerest apologies. I would never do that intentionally but I realize that doesn’t make it okay. <3

[Harley Quinn]

I truly have tried to get an understanding of the math scumread and it still seems to boil down to what I said here?

my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

HQ is there something I'm missing?

It’s far more than that. Far more. I should pull up my posts or you can ISO me.

Math is scum because he doesn’t believe anything he says. ISO him and look at the reasoning/or more like lack there of for his reads.

Examples: His push on Dwlee has no substance behind it. He sr Gamma for “not having found town!him yet”, eventhough Gamma played identically in Koba’s mini normal where they were both town. He sr Ausuka for being “nice about maths” or something. When is being nice ever a valid scumtell and especially for Ausuka who - when is she not nice? His progression on STD went from STD lockscum to STD locktown in pretty much the blink of an eye. He posted that if ANY not ALL of Dwlee, Titus, Gamma flip scum, he would then put me or Implosive in hid PoE. However, I am now extremely confident all 3 are town.

And yes, his entire progression on HEM is not what I’ve experienced with town!Math ever. He initially called HEM his top townread but voted HEM under pressure from Aristelia. Town!Math would never allow his arm to be twisted like that to vote a genuine top tr like that. Town!Math is bullheaded and obstinate to a fault. He is also one of the most anti-survivalistic players as town and I don’t recall Math ever being willing to policy anyone. Sometimes town!Math actually gets it right like in Koba’s mini normal and other times very wrong as in White Flag but there is always substance to his reads no matter how outlandish it looks to others. ISO both games to contast them with this one. Town!Math overflows with conviction and is also consistent with his reads. Here, he seems to change his reads on a dime without rhyme or reason. Town!Math doesn’t change his reads easily and definitely never under pressure.

Also he switched his srs on both Ausuka and Ari when they either voted the way he wanted or tr him. He gave me shit for initially not voting but had no issue with bella not voting, eventhough I had the exact same reason for having not voted as she had.

He had STD and Roden as top trs but is now takinv that at least partially back with STD. He did something similar with Gamma. He referred to them both as T/T but now he’s suddenly scum because he couldn’t find town!him early enough.

There are just so many reasons why Math is scum here.

[Harley Quinn]

@titus, when have you actually played with me scum? My memories of our games are us both being town and you freaking out at me. Can you point me to a game where I was scum and you were town.

Also, I haven't had a red role pm in literally years, so ...that answer has me really worried.

Why are you not engaging at all/ let alone even addressing Gamma/Titus/Mine Math sr?

Ari addressed it and now Wallflower is as well but you seem to refuse to even address it, why is that?

[Harley Quinn]

@titus, when have you actually played with me scum? My memories of our games are us both being town and you freaking out at me. Can you point me to a game where I was scum and you were town.

Also, I haven't had a red role pm in literally years, so ...that answer has me really worried.

I can't recall a specific game we were in together period. I just went by memory.

What are your thoughts on Math?

Pedit yes

You/me/Gamma and others have explained why Math is lockscum and she keeps ignoring those posts. I don’t understand this.

[Harley Quinn]

Wallflower is scum with Math.

HEM is L minus 2
Math is L minus 3

Since based off Math associatives, HEM is probably scum, Math wagon is extremely likely to be alltown. Why? Because Math is voting his former top “tr” HEM and HEM isn’t fighting it.

So if HEM flips red, scum is probably on that or offwagon. I think Math wagon is very likely pure. Roden is still town but it’s far better for the gamestate to lim Math first, that’s why scum is willing to sacrifice HEM, if he’s red and very likely.

I was scum in a game with a double scum wagon on d1, which was between my buddies Titus and I believe Ircher and I felt Titus had a much better chance to go the distance than Ircher, so I strategically bussed the weaker of my two buddies.

Possible. I still lean that HEM is town. Regardless, I feel your conclusion is right.

Scum prefer an HEM flip over a math flip

.

It’s possible but HEM isn’t fighting it. Math is on HEM wagon for self-pres regardless and he should absolutely not get tr for it irrespective of what HEM flips.

Yep, Math wagon is almost certainly pure, HEM’s is not but if HEM is town than one scum is probably offwagon but I totally agree scum are trying to save Math regardless of HEM’s flip. HEM is either a Math buddy or scum!Math initially tmi’d him town. His not fighting his wagon in light of the developing Math wagon isn’t exactly filling me with confidence however.

[Harley Quinn]

@hq, I think math, especially this game, whether town or scum, is an easy elim. I don't think it's right for today. I'll reconsider this read later. Your posting on about math is becoming a little math posting aboout hem like.

I have no opinion on gamma really. Titus I'm concerned about, but their other scum reads reassure me a bit.


Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots. We have like a day and a half left and I just want to be done with today.
@titus I've spoken about math a lot. I don't think most people are scum reading him for reasons that I haven't seen them do as town. Also, as a competing wagon to hem who really hasn't shown a want to solve, I'm going to vote hem.

P-edit I just disagree. I'm not saying I can't be convinced, but I've explained why my read is what it is. I haven't ignored it, I've discussed it with Roden.

I’m not exactly thrilled that your responses to both mine and Titus’ very valid concerns appears to be to shade us. :/

[Harley Quinn]

Also @Bella, in what world is Math an “easy lim” here? The resistance to that wagon is fierce unlike HEM’s by comparison. So that is just not the case at all.

[Harley Quinn]

Name one game, aside from a guilty or supposedly this game, where Math has been an easy lim. I'll wait.

[Harley Quinn]

? I am concerned about Titus, as the seem to be playing differently from most times we've played together. This is just a fact.

I town read you. I'm just getting frustrated that you are doing the same thing math is doing - repeatedly asserting you are correct about a thing and getting vexed other people aren't immediately conceding to this. This is literally happening.

@hq their style of posting, especially today, I would forgive most people for voting the slot to allow the thread to breathe.

P-edit, maybe I worded this wrong. I'm specifically talking about this game. I think, if math flips town, any scum could say 'yeah but look at the random shit he was talking' and noone would scum read them for it.

I have plenty of experience playing with Titus myself and I don’t see how she is any different here from any other town game of hers?

[Harley Quinn]

I truly have tried to get an understanding of the math scumread and it still seems to boil down to what I said here?

my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

HQ is there something I'm missing?

It’s far more than that. Far more. I should pull up my posts or you can ISO me.

Math is scum because he doesn’t believe anything he says. ISO him and look at the reasoning/or more like lack there of for his reads.

Examples:

His push on Dwlee has no substance behind it. He sr Gamma for “not having found town!him yet”, eventhough Gamma played identically in Koba’s mini normal where they were both town. He sr Ausuka for being “nice about maths” or something. When is being nice ever a valid scumtell and especially for Ausuka who - when is she not nice? His progression on STD went from STD lockscum to STD locktown in pretty much the blink of an eye. He posted that if ANY not ALL of Dwlee, Titus, Gamma flip scum, he would then put me or Implosive in hid PoE. However, I am now extremely confident all 3 are town.

And yes, his entire progression on HEM is not what I’ve experienced with town!Math ever. He initially called HEM his top townread but voted HEM under pressure from Aristelia. Town!Math would never allow his arm to be twisted like that to vote a genuine top tr like that. Town!Math is bullheaded and obstinate to a fault. He is also one of the most anti-survivalistic players as town and I don’t recall Math ever being willing to policy anyone. Sometimes town!Math actually gets it right like in Koba’s mini normal and other times very wrong as in White Flag but there is always substance to his reads no matter how outlandish it looks to others. ISO both games to contast them with this one. Town!Math overflows with conviction and is also consistent with his reads. Here, he seems to change his reads on a dime without rhyme or reason. Town!Math doesn’t change his reads easily and definitely never under pressure.

Also he switched his srs on both Ausuka and Ari when they either voted the way he wanted or tr him. He gave me shit for initially not voting but had no issue with bella not voting, eventhough I had the exact same reason for having not voted as she had.

He had STD and Roden as top trs but is now takinv that at least partially back with STD. He did something similar with Gamma. He referred to them both as T/T but now he’s suddenly scum because he couldn’t find town!him early enough.

There are just so many reasons why Math is scum here.

(italics and bold added)

I do appreciate this and sorry if I've been making you repeat yourself. I see the italic parts as things that Mathblade as obstinate town would probably do. Particularly the part near the bottom about switching his SRs on people who do what he wants. Whilst annoying, I feel like at a basic level, someone is just generally more likely to warm to people who do what they want them to do.

The bolded is the part that has me unsure though, because I do agree that the progression on HEM is weird and does not fit with obstinate-town Mathblade, and ultimately I really just don't know.

Yeah, that’s why my #1 reason for believing Math is scum is the total lack of substance and conviction behind any of his reads but yes. Town!Math would not flip on a locktown read so easily. And you are correct, his entire progression on HEM changed once he started being sr. He initially sounded pisssed but resigned about HEM being flipped to hard tr him to suddenly doing a 180 and policying him. That isn’t town!Math but he has done that for the majority of his reads this game.

Also, did you notice now that Titus is hard tr Roden, he suddenly is saying nothing about that slot? My read on Roden hasn’t changed one iota but I think his goal was to use Titus’ initially wrong read on Roden against her and now that she switched that read, he fails to even comment on it.

[Harley Quinn]

Scum are still scared of an HEM flip

So why are you you voting him then?

Like once again, you’re not making sense.

This is why I’m so confident you’re flipping scum, you keep making scumpost after scumpost ad nauseum. The only post that isn’t is about the mass claim which is nai.

[Harley Quinn]

Scum are still scared of an HEM flip

So why are you you voting him then?

Like once again, you’re not making sense.

This is why I’m so confident you’re flipping scum, you keep making scumpost after scumpost ad nauseum. The only post that isn’t is about the mass claim which is nai.

Scum are scared of something.
I am not scum.
Scum don’t want the thing to happen.
I do the thing.

Like you saying I don’t make sense is sus as hell

I shouldn’t have to break that down

Town!you sometimes can have outthere reads but they are still logical and consistent even when wrong. That has been largely what has been missing from your play hers and precisely what I mean by you not making sense and you damn well know it.

But hey, nice deflection. Shade me instead of addressing my point.

[Harley Quinn]

? I am concerned about Titus, as the seem to be playing differently from most times we've played together. This is just a fact.

I town read you. I'm just getting frustrated that you are doing the same thing math is doing - repeatedly asserting you are correct about a thing and getting vexed other people aren't immediately conceding to this. This is literally happening.

@hq their style of posting, especially today, I would forgive most people for voting the slot to allow the thread to breathe.

P-edit, maybe I worded this wrong. I'm specifically talking about this game. I think, if math flips town, any scum could say 'yeah but look at the random shit he was talking' and noone would scum read them for it.

Damn Bella saying what I am thinking. Minus the TR of Titus

Interesting, my saying you’re not making sense is “suss” but here you’re agreeing with bella saying you wouldn’t blame people from voting you? lolwut

When in any towngame of yours like ever have you enthusiastically agreed with anyone saying you wouldn’t blame anyone for voting you?

This isn’t how town!you responds to something like this and you absolutely don’t flip on your lock tr like this either due to pressure or to self pres.

[Harley Quinn]

@hq, maybe my sample size with Titus is not great: as town they've been incredibly aggressive, often to me, without a huge deal of provocation, done things like 'slayers' gambit' and faked an inno on scum. My only recent game with Titus they replaced in, didn't hassle my slot and auto speed wagoned as scum. My sample size is small though - it's why titua saying 'bella does X as scum' worried me, as theirs with me is tiny too

After today I should probably look at some of their more recent games. Math, couks you link me to the two of yours you just mentioned? Also, like, I'm not trying to trash talk you when I talk about team mafia.

Fair enough, I probably have had a lot more experience playing with Titus as both alignments and one of her tells is tone. Initially I was concerned about some of her takes: particularly the Roden/Dwlee thing but her tone read town. You should ISO her in Koba’s recent mini normal if you don’t understand exactly what I mean. Her takes here are extremely genuine and it’s clear she believes everything she’s saying. It goes to mindset as well, which is the main reason for many of my reads.

[Harley Quinn]

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yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

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~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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Lol, gee Math, I thought you and HEM were TYT and now you’re voting him?

I have laid out why Math is 99.9999% going to flip scum but it seems not everyone is reading mine, Gamma’s and Titus’ posts? If I had any doubts, I wouldn’t be saying that I’m 99.9999% sure Math is scum. He will flip scum here and if I was kingmaker, I would see to it that he was flipped today.

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yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

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~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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Also, look at these wagons, from my pov. Maths wagon is made up of my null, null scum reads and ....you. The hem wagon is made up of basically my town reads. Why is it incomprehensible to you that I'm not jumping on the math wagon, when my own experiences outside of this game, plus my own reads in this game, suggest it's a bad move?

Wallflower is scum with Math.

HEM is L minus 2
Math is L minus 3

Since based off Math associatives, HEM is probably scum, Math wagon is extremely likely to be alltown. Why? Because Math is voting his former top “tr” HEM and HEM isn’t fighting it.

So if HEM flips red, scum is probably on that or offwagon. I think Math wagon is very likely pure. Roden is still town but it’s far better for the gamestate to lim Math first, that’s why scum is willing to sacrifice HEM, if he’s red and very likely.

I was scum in a game with a double scum wagon on d1, which was between my buddies Titus and I believe Ircher and I felt Titus had a much better chance to go the distance than Ircher, so I strategically bussed the weaker of my two buddies.

Possible. I still lean that HEM is town. Regardless, I feel your conclusion is right.

Scum prefer an HEM flip over a math flip

.

It’s possible but HEM isn’t fighting it. Math is on HEM wagon for self-pres regardless and he should absolutely not get tr for it irrespective of what HEM flips.

Yep, Math wagon is almost certainly pure, HEM’s is not but if HEM is town than one scum is probably offwagon but I totally agree scum are trying to save Math regardless of HEM’s flip. HEM is either a Math buddy or scum!Math initially tmi’d him town. His not fighting his wagon in light of the developing Math wagon isn’t exactly filling me with confidence however.

I'm frustrated that @hq you haven't addressed my core issue here: I'm saying why would I do this, from my pov of the game and wagons, Ans you come in immediately after with 'the math wagon is pure'. So ...it's really obvious our heads aren't in the same places over more things than math. So why are you and Titus so bothered by my not agreeing with you on this one thing?

As town, especially in back and forths, I try really hard to work out 'can I see what they are seeing, even if it's crazy'. I don't feel like you are doing that at all, just getting vexed that I'm not just ..auto voting math. Which I could easily do as scum or town. I don't get the fuss.

Eh, what about the white flag one people were mentioning, @math, have you a link for that?

It’s possible I’m being unfair to you and very sorry if that’s the case. I just feel so certain of my read on Math and it concerned me that you weren’t engaging me with it.

I posted a link to White Flag game before I switched my read on Math.

[Harley Quinn]

That’s not what she said
She said anyone would be able to excuse it later
Like they already excuse it now.

@hq their style of posting, especially today, I would forgive most people for voting the slot to allow the thread to breathe.

How are you getting that from this? People are capable of reading and you continuing to misrep other people’s posting is also a big part of what I’ve been talking about.

You can have out there reads as town but you don’t continue to misrep the way you have done so repeatedly in this game.

For example: you said to me that I “would have egg on my face when HEM flips town” but I was saying I was super confident on you flipping scum.

Your play here has been extremely manipulative and disingenuous like you ignoring what I just said about you deflecting.

[Harley Quinn]

And you HarleyQuinn remind me of (game that outs main) that you were scum in.

But I can prove it by you being unwilling to vote HEM despite the scumread.

In this case you’re being contradictory here and using emotions to hide it.

What to the bolded? You locktowned him and now you’re voting him?

You can’t intimidate me here Math with a bs scumread. I have nothing to fear in this game.

[Harley Quinn]

I mean how are you not seeing what I am saying? Are you reading?

I can do the same fucking thing you’re doing.

I said what I said and stand by it.

I still think you will have egg on your face regardless because I am clearly obvTown.

Timer still going. Interesting.

You just blatantly misrepped Bella’s posting. How are you “obvtown”? Please please tell me. I only had to breifly skim mini normal to know you were locktown out of the gate in that. You were obtowntelling so goddamned hard in that.

[Harley Quinn]

And you HarleyQuinn remind me of (game that outs main) that you were scum in.

But I can prove it by you being unwilling to vote HEM despite the scumread.

In this case you’re being contradictory here and using emotions to hide it.

What to the bolded? You locktowned him and now you’re voting him?

You can’t intimidate me here Math with a bs scumread. I have nothing to fear in this game.

I already explained that. Scum don’t want HEM flipped.

I am not aiming to intimidate you. I am proving you scum.

You’re frustrated omgus while understandable isn’t working but feel free to knock yourself out.

[Harley Quinn]

Yes Math I want YOU flipped because whatever HEM is I think if scum, he has far less chance of misting the town but not me because I see right through your bs. You will never mist me in this game.

[Harley Quinn]

HQ, stop debating Math. It will be a spam fest and drown out your points regarding his meta.

Bella did do team mafia, so maybe they're used to the adjustment but I don't think it really hit until 2021.

Yeah you’re right. It just infuriates me that not everyone is yet seeing what I’m saying.

[Harley Quinn]

It’s okay she’s proving hers.

If I had less scruples I’d out her main then demonstrates she does this as scum.

So it’s like whatever I have to work anyway

Math as someone I have incredible respect for as a human being and a friend, I am deeply disappointed that you would ever resort to make alt outing threats just to win a game. I would never ever do that to you. :/

[Harley Quinn]

I think you’re furious that I am not even remotely intimidated by your threats to be able to bs push me as scum, so you resort to alt-outing threats.

Well you know what, do it then. No I’m of course not okay with it and would feel extremely violated considering how much you hold alt privacy so sacred but I’m not intimidated by even that but ngl I would be extremely hurt that you would even consider doing that.

[Harley Quinn]

It’s okay she’s proving hers.

If I had less scruples I’d out her main then demonstrates she does this as scum.

So it’s like whatever I have to work anyway

Math as someone I have incredible respect for as a human being and a friend, I am deeply disappointed that you would ever resort to make alt outing threats just to win a game. I would never ever do that to you. :/

It’s why I said if I had less scruples

It’s a promise I never would.

I wouldn’t threaten you with alt outing. I did it to you one time and it was by accident. A lot of people who know my main can feel free to metadive me so long as thet don’t actually do anything to actually alt out me.

[Harley Quinn]

Bella, question, is the last game you played with me before September 3, 2019?

Apart from the neighborhood game we just did, I don't think so. Tbf my meta with math is smaller! I don't think I've tried to claim in an expert in either. Can you see from why my experience im concerned about you? It sounds like there's been a change though?

That's precisely why I asked. I had control and frustration issues that I was unaware of in IRL in my marriage. It took a toll on me. Through therapy I realized it and began playing better with others as town as a side effect.

+1

I can relate. I in large part elected to play with this alt because this account was badly in need of redemption.

[Harley Quinn]

I think you’re furious that I am not even remotely intimidated by your threats to be able to bs push me as scum, so you resort to alt-outing threats.

Well you know what, do it then. No I’m of course not okay with it and would feel extremely violated considering how much you hold alt privacy so sacred but I’m not intimidated by even that but ngl I would be extremely hurt that you would even consider doing that.

I obviously posted this prior to reading 1686.

[Harley Quinn]

@hq, do you know me?

@titus, can I have a recent town Ans scum game? I'm about to read white flag. In sorry if I was rude earlier, but those were my experiences of you. It sounds like you are much happier now, which I was aware of.

I do but if I explain how it would out my main but I can tell you this much. We’ve never ever played a game together iirc.

[Harley Quinn]

Why are you all not questioning implosion on asking about something not present in the game? Implosion said someone asked about my timer and deadline which is untrue.

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[Harley Quinn]

We have over 3 days left. Just want to point that out bc I think someone thought the timer math posted is deadline. It isn’t.

Who said that? Where?

Like the attacks on me are that I am not in reality.
But when confronted with an example you don’t shit all over him?

Why the double standard?

We can’t do much until he answers, however I wouldn’t necessarily describe that as an “attack”. In fact in a game I was in, a townie accused a scum of misrepping the deadline, which caused me to in part wrongly tr that player and we lost.

Not at all remotely suggesting that’s what’s happening here but I honestly didn’t think anything of it. I certainly would never sr someone solely on something like that even if true, which in this case, I actually agree with you since I can’t find any such post but I don’t see why it couldn’t be an honest mistake, it was in that game. \_0_/

[Harley Quinn]

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yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

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~ dual mod iso.
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Lol, gee Math, I thought you and HEM were TYT and now you’re voting him?

I have laid out why Math is 99.9999% going to flip scum but it seems not everyone is reading mine, Gamma’s and Titus’ posts? If I had any doubts, I wouldn’t be saying that I’m 99.9999% sure Math is scum. He will flip scum here and if I was kingmaker, I would see to it that he was flipped today.

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yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

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~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Also, look at these wagons, from my pov. Maths wagon is made up of my null, null scum reads and ....you. The hem wagon is made up of basically my town reads. Why is it incomprehensible to you that I'm not jumping on the math wagon, when my own experiences outside of this game, plus my own reads in this game, suggest it's a bad move?

Hmm . . . that is an interesting point, I do hard tr Roden and Ari on HEM wagon, so I might need to rethink the wagon distribution. @Titus, other than Math, who do you think is scum on HEM wagon?

[Harley Quinn]

Those are like years ago unfortunately they aren’t recent.

I will look them up on my lunch break

White Flag was in February of 21 correct and Koba mini normal was just recently.

[Harley Quinn]

i really dont know why scum would still want my wagon after saying im vt. there are more interesting things to do, like running up random wagons to get a claim. is that risky in this gamestate? i have no idea.

Why would you claiming vt have jack to do with anything?

[Harley Quinn]

We have over 3 days left. Just want to point that out bc I think someone thought the timer math posted is deadline. It isn’t.

Who said that? Where?

Like the attacks on me are that I am not in reality.
But when confronted with an example you don’t shit all over him?

Why the double standard?

We can’t do much until he answers, however I wouldn’t necessarily describe that as an “attack”. In fact in a game I was in, a townie accused a scum of misrepping the deadline, which caused me to in part wrongly tr that player and we lost.

Not at all remotely suggesting that’s what’s happening here but I honestly didn’t think anything of it. I certainly would never sr someone solely on something like that even if true, which in this case, I actually agree with you since I can’t find any such post but I don’t see why it couldn’t be an honest mistake, it was in that game. \_0_/

I am not saying whether or not it’s an honest mistake or not

I am saying why are people not attacking implosion for “not being in reality”

If I disagree with what you’re saying “I am not in reality”

Implosion posts something verifiably false and not real

And doesn’t get attacked in the same manner why?

If I don’t care for his explanation, I’ll do just that, okay?

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.

[Harley Quinn]

You’re not seeing my point.

The default setting is to do that to me.

When proven with a concrete actual example of things not matching reality,

Not only do you ignore it until it’s brought up

You just wait and see a response

You’re civil.

There’s no insulting, no talking down, no accusations

Everyone just breezed along like it’s another day in the neighborhood.

I just want that same level of courtesy.

I didn’t comment on it both because I didn’t really think anything of it either way and unless I take issue with Implosion’s explanation, I probably won’t but if I don’t like it, I absolutely will.

@Math I’m sorry if you feel at all personally disrespected by me. As I’ve already stated, personally I hold you in the highest regard and I assure you I wouldn’t say something like that lightly.

I think much of your play here has been really scummy and I do feel that you have twisted and misrepped a lot of people’s posts not just mine.

Until I hear Implosion’s response, I will assume it was probably a mistake on his part. I really don’t know what more you want me to say about that.