Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Enchant]

I claim VT.

[Enchant]

I have a cool thought experiment I want to try.

Let's all write down which three numbers we would submit if we were running a scum team.

I will explain after everyone writes down their numbers how this will help us.

I will go first.

1, 3, 13

One which i think not be picked by anyone else.

[Enchant]

for example let's say Enchant.

I'm not very good at reading Enchant - he rarely does much in a game and typically not very AI. He's kind of like a mini-NM in a way.

He has slot 1 pick, usually the strongest TPR.

If he survives very long, it feels obvious to me that he is just mafia, if he gets shot by the mafia at night because they think he is ascetic cop, that resolves the slot for me. I would rather have these picks go to someone I am bad at sorting because it resolves issues for me down the line.

Tee-hee.

[Enchant]

How the fuck it's troll answer when it's logical.

[Enchant]

Aye, purge time.

VOTE: Aris

[Enchant]

I am not refusing to play though.

[Enchant]

The other game I've played with Enchant, at least that I remember, was a game where they replaced in on d2-3ish and got like, immediately universally townread as town when their slot's previous occupant was contentious. So I know Enchant is capable of actually interacting with the gamestate as town. I'm sure reading them isn't as simple as "are they literally playing the game of mafia" but well, in this game their only content now is an explanationless vote on a person who just had 2 people unvote them. So.

Of course.

I already info on this game.

Starting blind sucks.

[Enchant]

Lurking for purpose is pretty boring.

[Enchant]

You all just jelaous.

[Enchant]

Jelous.

[Enchant]

Jealous*

[Enchant]

I am bored, can we end game already?

[Enchant]

I meant day

[Enchant]

I meant day

Fastest way to do that is vote HEM or me or explain why you think we’re both town

Not really fastest.

[Enchant]

You really wagon math for townreading hum?
Bruhbruh.

[Enchant]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

[Enchant]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

[Enchant]

Can we cut debate and hammer?

We still have 3 days, why the rush?

That's not rush in any case, but i think mafia are more likely to be early voted, due DISTANCING, and after 7-10 days of bunnyhopping someone else dies instead.

It's annoying.

Can you do me a favor and read the VCs?

I did.

Aris (not seriously probably)>HAM and then counterwagons Dwlee99+Math.

Therefore, Aris is maf, but you all have affection to anime, so let's kill HAM instwad.

[Enchant]

You are enchanted by Aris, and can't see devil.

[Enchant]

ok but i kind of doubt mathblade flips scum and if hem/mathblade both flip scum then im fine with being limmed cuz like lol we r going to win since enchant never endgames anyway

You talking about me, but you doing that without respect. You didn't even kiss my shoe.

[Enchant]

VOTE: HEM

[Enchant]

L minus 1 Enchant

Are we ready to end the day?

Yea

[Enchant]

We should try to get a majority consensus before we do that in the future. If the majority are onboard no problem.

"Elims by majority"
"We need majority consensus before we do that in the future"


Hilarious 100k

[Enchant]

Also i think MATH is town.

So don't vote Math. Thanks.

[Enchant]

Can scum pick vigilante

Apparently scum can pick aesetic cop, I don’t know why they would though.

Imunnity to roleblocks/watches/anything.

[Enchant]

Enchant, can you stop defending scum?

bruh

[Enchant]

I am not claiming anything.

[Enchant]

Just thinking Math is town

[Enchant]

Math is scum. I was shot.

Why scum ever shots you with your 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

[Enchant]

If Titus town, it's seems action to gather reactions.

[Enchant]

What confirmation you want from me?

[Enchant]

No.

[Enchant]

I still think Math is innocent very likely.

[Enchant]

I am Bulletproof.

Bruh.

[Enchant]

IMMORTALITY.

[Enchant]

Which isn’t good if you don’t use it.

Excuse me

[Enchant]

Which isn’t good if you don’t use it.

Excuse me

You heard me.

You’re not playing the game.

Give reads or do something.

About what you interested?

[Enchant]

ok i can policy enchant now

Sure thing.

You can start voting.

[Enchant]

like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?

Perhaps we win before end game.


Either way i had suspiciouns about Ausuka even before, but now i need to reread some things.

[Enchant]

VOTE: enchant

Nah we don’t kill a BP claim now

Can be elimmed later if still around

um how does enchant flip again if we dont vote him out?

its not like mafia can nightkill him if hes town

Exactly if Enchant is town scum can’t kill him

We sort enchant by what he does

what he does

is pick bulletproof over ascetic cop

which is basically a scum claim

i am not sure if town has ever done that before

I am glad, i made in history.

[Enchant]

Imo if mafia have Jailkeeper, Math!town is last person they jailkeep, like ever.

[Enchant]

Just elim second scum and spam tracker/jailkeeps on me for funnies before i turn in confirmed immortal god of nothing.

[Enchant]

Where intel that i am vengeful fakeclaiming comed from?

[Enchant]

There should't be any massclaim now.

Calm.

[Enchant]

This is literally beyond frustrating. I am outvoted but this is totally gamebreaking if we massclaimed my way.

You can get my vote if you explain why we need to claim.

[Enchant]

another thing

if we lim enchant and he is scum ascetic cop then universal backup if it exists becomes ascetic cop and scum have no idea where ub is

Or he turns in Bulletproof. Which is...
Hm. Idk. Is random guy getting BP is powerful?

[Enchant]

Roden used watcher on me?

... Why in the hell.

[Enchant]

Roden used watcher on me?

... Why in the hell.

Voyeur. I was mainly checking to see if you were really BP, finding out you weren't targeted by the NK is just extra info. I wasn't expecting you to get shot though.

I forgot it even exist... Fine.

[Enchant]

It probably is WF + Enchant. However, we should still finish the process. It could well be Ari healed a kill.

VTs claim the categories they tried to submit, starting with Wallflower.

Why probably Enchant?

If Wallflower’s scum, her ISO looks like potential distancing with Implosion.

The lack of n3/vengeful claim.

Can you explain logic behind this?

[Enchant]

Failure logic for many reasons.

[Enchant]

Nah
VOTE: Wallflower

[Enchant]

I think i understand why you flipped Math anyway.

[Enchant]

Here i come again.

[Enchant]

Here i come again.

A little less conversation, a little more action
All this aggravation ain’t satisfactioning me

Helpful posting

Thanks. It's not like anyone care what i think, yeah?

Enchant could be scum BP right? Is there a point in vigging him? Maybe I'm missing something

[Enchant]

If you’re town, you need to do something to look town but sure I would definitely be interested in what you think.

It's not about if i am town or not, it's more about "bestmechflip" and strong bias that town!me is useless anyway.

[Enchant]

Strategically, I'd vote out Enchant and vig Wallflower but willing to go with what the group decides. I haven't been batting 1000% due to my work schedule (but the massclaim plan was made before that to try and confirm Enchant as scum).

What sense in your plan of massclaim if in the end you pushing me regardless?

[Enchant]

If you’re town, you need to do something to look town but sure I would definitely be interested in what you think.

It's not about if i am town or not, it's more about "bestmechflip" and strong bias that town!me is useless anyway.

It’s a combination of both but yes it of course matters whether you’re town or not but I think due to both jk and Ari being the most likely nk, it sounds nuts to me to lim anyone other than Wallflower.

Going for bulletproof is scummy.

[Enchant]

I think it’s possible scum thought Ari didn’t jk Ausuka. Maybe I’m wrong but I think STD could still be scum but like I’m almost certain Enchant is.

Enchant’s reactions to both Roden check and Ari’s not wanting to vig him don’t make any sense if Enchant is town, plus he tried to get Ari limmed > HEM.

Only way town or scum anything other than scum bp or okay with my hypothetical vigging them is if they know they were not targeted n1 and that’s why he was upset at Roden’s voyeur check because Roden makes it clear he wasn’t targeted. Like what town!bp doesn’t jump for joy here at being confirmed bp and what anyone other than never targeted scum bp is unhappy at not being vigged?

Yeah, I really think Enchant/STD is a possibility. Where is STD and why isn’t he doing anything?

So I just don’t know if it really makes that much sense for me not to lim my strongest sr when I still have some slight paranoia on STD. \_0_/

Like I’m not going to fight it if everyone prefers WF but I just don’t see anyway Enchant is ever town here.

This post doesn't make sense.

[Enchant]

I am not upset at check, i questioned is Watcher (who is 1-shot) really targeted claimed BP and why. I didn't knew Roden is actually Voyour, which is acceptable.

Fact that i was not shot N2 have no connection to N1, I don't understand your accusation here.

Yes, vigging me is dumb. What else you expect?

[Enchant]

Maybe you, if you dodging answering on arguments.

[Enchant]

I will not answer anything, if you don't respect my mind, and you perfectly show you don't.

Therefore talking is useless. Why you ask questions, if you plainly always change topics?

[Enchant]

Sure thing.

[Enchant]

If i am maf, my only play is claim Cop anyway and faking guilty for funnies.

Not claim for saving obwtown and dying hilariously for bunch of failurelogic ppl.
Nothing new, it's classic.

[Enchant]

"Fake Vig claim on Enchant"

NO ONE EVER BELIEVES THAT

[Enchant]

Did i put on torture chamber instead of mafiagame on accident?

[Enchant]

If i am maf, my only play is claim Cop anyway and faking guilty for funnies.

Not claim for saving obwtown and dying hilariously for bunch of failurelogic ppl.
Nothing new, it's classic.

No because cop is aesetic and Roden confirmed you can’t be cop.

...

IT WAS AFTER MY CLAIM HAPPENED. YOU DOING IT ON PURPOSE?

[Enchant]

No, you trying to kill me with your logic (i mean EMPTY VOID YOU HAVE INSTEAD) and i resist it.

[Enchant]

enchant if you picked ascetic cop

it is much better for us as town

you understand this right?

How me dying as Cop n1 is better?

[Enchant]

I dislike Dwlee's read on me but am aware I am heavily biased on that so

Does anyone else think it's weird?? Like the progression of Ausuka is tunneled, Ausuka is single mindedly tunneling me (which I don't think I was?) to being willing to vote Ausuka based just on that reasoning

I also don't like their progression from scumreading Bella at the start of the day when that was a pretty fashionable read iirc to then going onto Implo when that again iirc was looking like an easy push toward the latter end of d2, seemingly dropping their earlier scumpool not including implosion

But again I might be like *actually* tunneled at this point so I'm interested in hearing other perspectives on their ISO

I know I was going to keep my reads private but... It's not like I'm always going to jail my top scumread, I would be willing to jail anyone to reduce predictability and because of rather low read confidence, so it's fine I think. A hypothetical world with town Wallflower and Enchant where Ari dies tonight and we don't have much reads discussion going on seems like a very bad world!

Just in a case, i taked BP to meme.

I don't remember Mala being in any way memetic.

[Enchant]

Ari, Ausuka, Dwlee, Bella, Roden, Gamma all town. I’m very convinced of this. Titus, probably, Implosion maybe? STD who knows?

Who else is left other than Enchant?

You don't really want to see me walts with conftown status while bulletproof, do you?

[Enchant]

I just don’t understand why scum wouldn’t have targeted Ari but fliiped scum!Wallflower doesn’t make these posts.

Or you are bad at game.

[Enchant]

Ari, Ausuka, Dwlee, Bella, Roden, Gamma all town. I’m very convinced of this. Titus, probably, Implosion maybe? STD who knows?

Who else is left other than Enchant?

You don't really want to see me walts with conftown status while bulletproof, do you?

You're not conftown, we've been saying you were going to get elim'd on Day 4 since the start of the game.

Who's scum?

I will turn after second scum die and i am jailkept while kill happens.

[Enchant]

OH I DON'T KNOW WHO IS MAFIA.

MAYBE I VOTING THEM.

YOU KNOW. PERHAPS?

[Enchant]

I just don’t understand why scum wouldn’t have targeted Ari but fliiped scum!Wallflower doesn’t make these posts.

Or you are bad at game.

Why does this post seem informed to me?

Because it's truth.

[Enchant]

I just don’t understand why scum wouldn’t have targeted Ari but fliiped scum!Wallflower doesn’t make these posts.

Or you are bad at game.

Why does this post seem informed to me?

Because it's truth.

If you think I’m “bad at game”, it sounds like you know something I don’t. Like you actually know who scum targeted, which makes me wonder why you voted Wallflower.

You also have power of forgetting a kin of goldfish.

[Enchant]

I am literally yawning.

[Enchant]

I am harder.

[Enchant]

You literally played with me once before and it was my towngame where you was scum.

Stop lying pls.

[Enchant]

Imo probably should had picked neiborizer for extramemes.

[Enchant]

Surely if you're going for a meme role it has to be PGO

I thought about it, but realised it's a kind of pointless.

Do you see anyone claiming they go for Cop/Bulletproof, expect for Wall (Which is no comments scum)? I also don't see.

What point in being PGO, if scum received role without challenge and knows that i am not this role? I really looked at previous games and you notice how less faithful towns are that they get what they desire, thinking "Oh well toppick obviously picked Cop). So they try to get something lesser instead with bigger success. Scum doesh't care, they MUST try.


So i think, i didn't misplay here. I prepared to die for pick like instantly when i picked, because i knew what backlash it will start. My pick was useful. I probably stoped kill. I did well. Only issue.

Game was rigged from start by me being Enchant, and i can't control when ppl will get annoyed by me. Well. Happens?


So i plainly disagree that "Cop is in all way more useful that BP". It's depends on how you utilise it. I utilised it perfectly, but sucked at day. Don't repeat my mistakes and BP is probably most powerful role in this game.

Ayeye.

[Enchant]

Shall I hammer?

Yes.

[Enchant]

Anyone down to playing battleship while we waiting?

[Enchant]

I guess next time.

[Enchant]

Why won't you selfhammer then

[Enchant]

Did i break any law to end up in prison

[Enchant]

We autowin at this point, all this for me picking bulletproof.

Otherwise maf would just kill.

I carried.

[Enchant]

I would be down to clown if it got that far

Then why won't you selfvote?

[Enchant]

Bruh furry

[Enchant]

We could've just played 11:3 mountainous nightless and not had to bother with the draft thing

Not balanced i think.

[Enchant]

demoralize how?
We win anyway

[Enchant]

Ok I might have a better idea

Since I am guaranteed to survive the night, I will jailkeep randomly in [Save the Dragons, Titus]

Roden if scum has a 50% chance of being caught out and not knowing who I jailkept - since scum aren't multitasking.

This is a small upside since it's not a hard clear on Roden anyway, but there's no apparent downside to it

I don't see point in protecting like that.

[Enchant]

VOTE: STD

boink

[Enchant]

STD is at E -1 now, can someone unvote?

[Enchant]

first of all, thank you all for playing, a huge thanks to the replacements, and a shoutout to my eternal backup mod GeorgeBailey for providing the flavour and helping out with the game when i was busy.

pt's will be going public soon. scum and all personal pt's have 48 hours to ask for redactions.

one thing i want to apologize for is the way the role picking phase went. the last time i ran this setup, i made it so that once all picks are in, the picks are locked and the phase is over. it went without problem last time, but this time it resulted in... all three scum accidentally locking in the pick from the same bracket. i asked the listmod what to do, and i was told i should go with what i initially was planning to do.

however, i was also told i should've either set the 48 hours deadline as something that cannot be cut short, or made it clear that once all picks are in, they get locked. i definitely should've done that, and if i happen to mod this setup in the future, i definitely will do that.

the thread is now unlocked for post-game discussion.

I asked teammates what i should pick, Mala writed "Bulletproof" without bolding it, so i assumed it's answer on my question, not fucking pick.

Why you accept not bolded as actions is nonundestanding to me.

[Enchant]

WE ALL THREE WENT FOR BULLETPROOF BECAUSE OF THIS.

IT WAS HILARIOUS ONLY FOR 10 MINUTES.

[Enchant]

Oh jeeez.

[Enchant]

Classical "I will PM mod and won't tell anyone".

[Enchant]

I don't think picks even mattered, it's just pepper.

Got curbstomped regardless.

[Enchant]

So GGS

[Enchant]

So GGS

Why did you try to kill me? Because I was obvious town?

It's not mine idea. I mostly just listen to other mafs in that regard.

[Enchant]

I believe Neighborizer would save us.

[Enchant]

AND LEAVE ME ALONE NOooooooooooo