Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Titus]

Hey bare with me. Not feeling well but doing the best I can

VOTE: the worst

Long time no play.

[Titus]

I might spend this weekend being that girl and looking to provoke people.

[Titus]

hey y'all just taking a quick skim not gonna be around playing much tonight but I wanna say I do TR Meuh's response to me in the tail end of that back and forth, I thought her approach tonally didn't feel too defensive and if I accept 79 being a clarification instead of a question with intent to sort it does resolve some of my gut dislike of it

Why do you talk in word salad?

[Titus]

There's an easy wagon on Gamma.

Therefore, I do not want Gamma.

[Titus]

@Titus, your RVS (I'm assuming) on the duck/cat thing is still there. Is it an actual vote at this point?

Not yet. Soon I think.

[Titus]

VOTE: Beat

Theory
Beat and Pav are scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: Beat

Theory
Beat and Pav are scum.

Why are you revealing the secret theory I was preparing to dramatically reveal

Whoops. Didn't read most. Started looking at votes.

[Titus]

Red flips aren't that bad idt, in this setup they uniquely would have been revealed as mafia at some point anyway

U must not be scum or you would have figured this out, I discussed it for hours in the scum PT

hmm wait that's true
I kinda forgot the escaping mechanic means the mafia just forming a bloc is less likely
I was particularly keeping my eye out for potential mafia being really defensive of each other but I suppose red flips are happening - one way or the other.

Disagree, and that's the basis for my theory.

[Titus]

I dont really see any reason Pav should be scumread at this point and it makes me wary of the motion in that direction.
VOTE: Meuh

Like this feels like how scum would defend their partner
-Through scumreading a third party
-While not actively stating they think their partner is town

Especially how much this setup make red flips bad for the scumteam

Agreed, and that's exactly what I noticed. This is a common tactic referred to as a chainsaw.

[Titus]

I think we're just disagreeing as to the definition of forming a bloc.

[Titus]

Titus would you like us to find you a sundress ?

*misses social cue*

Umm we can go shopping I guess.

[Titus]

probably gonna stay on meuh? I liked cakez' skitter read but I can't remember like anything else he's done this game

Are you really scum? Where's the worst I know?

[Titus]

Willing to vote SirCakez but not thrilled about itm

[Titus]

Let me know when we're back to mafia

[Titus]

I don't think Aristeia is scum with you but I think 2 of the 10 players that didn't even comment on my oh so terrible assessment could be

You did something in the last 5 pages?

[Titus]

This is your bulletin. Beat and Pav are still scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: gamma

e-2

What happened to voting HEM?

[Titus]

Got my games backwards. Ignore.

[Titus]

I'm worried Gamma is a chainsaw for Cakey.

[Titus]

Don't know. It's inconsistent with my theory.

[Titus]

Cakez has a point on Gamma

[Titus]

Maybe it's Beat Pav Gamma with stubborn town on Cakez

[Titus]

Titus, why do you scumread pav?

I don't really see you ever explain why..

No reason to TR, Strong link to Beat

[Titus]

I'd say my questioning style but think this is the first time it's come up in a game w you
but I do think the gamestate should suggest I'm town. There's been no one actually backing me up at all, I've had to fend for myself 100% here. In a setup like this, why the fuck would my scumbuddies not mount some sort of counter-offense?

as for why I'm not voting you, until I parse Cakez better I'm not moving my vote.

actually how about this
VOTE: the ugly fruit
hasn't done much but what he has done, I'm not a big fan of

Odd

[Titus]

I feel like this game is devolving into camps. Normally, I'm fine with that but nobody is actually taking a stand on wagons being bad. People are just refusing to get on wagons. It's making it difficult to get relationship reads as I am having trouble sorting scummy avoidance versus town avoidance.

[Titus]

I actually decided to switch to TUF exactly because I felt I needed to parse Cakez better. At that time I didn’t want to make a push to eliminate before knowing who exactly I felt should be eliminated. TUF was more of a pressure vote though.

Then how does TUF help you parse Cakez but an Ari vote does not?

[Titus]

I feel like this game is devolving into camps. Normally, I'm fine with that but nobody is actually taking a stand on wagons being bad. People are just refusing to get on wagons. It's making it difficult to get relationship reads as I am having trouble sorting scummy avoidance versus town avoidance.

What are the camps?
Who's refusing to get on wagons?

I'll answer this at the next VC.

[Titus]

butbyeah ur camped on a vote thats going nowhere titus,
kinda reads like UR refusing to get on other wagons...

not all that helpful imo..

VOTE: Beat

Marcistar with Beat and Pav.

[Titus]

The camps are largely who would vote Cakey and who would vote Gamma. There's little overlap which strategically means one of those two should be the lim but it goes against my reads.

[Titus]

The camps are largely who would vote Cakey and who would vote Gamma. There's little overlap which strategically means one of those two should be the lim but it goes against my reads.

Why do you read Gamma as town?

He largely makes sense and stalled tvt makes sense. I know I just said Cakey or Gamma should be the flip strategically but I can't bring myself to do it.

[Titus]

I got a migraine. Catching up tmo.

[Titus]

I got a migraine. Catching up tmo.

[Titus]

Not feeling well. Responses may be unclear. 2.5 hours from reading games. Taking day largely off bc ill. Got to covid test point but negative.

[Titus]

Catching up now.

[Titus]

TUF is such a LHF wagon not interested at all rn

what will it take to make u use a sundress icon

Ooh I got it... if you have Carmen Sandiego in a sundress I'll do it. Or anyone in a fedora with a sundress.

[Titus]

like this game is actually very simple

(1) there are massive disincentives towards bussing because you can't actually bus-spew yourself clear due to the clear-mechanism on D1/D2.

so scum have the incentive to hardshield their teammates from being elimmed on d1/d2 because they can't ever take advantage of bussing a teammate really.

Therefore it is important to make the consequences of hard-shielding as dire as possible for a scum player.

Hence why I believe we should policy elim anyone who derails a scum wagon on d1/d2 - which we will know as soon as the derailed scum flip.

Since there is no way for scum to escape together, one of them must remain behind while one of them escapes, there is literally no way for scum to get away with hard-derailing a elim on a scum partner because we will policy them immediately upon escape.

True to a point. We need to a) give town players the confidence to be wrong and b) encourage people to work as a team. If we auto eliminate anyone who defends a wagon, getting a wagon going will be torturous as no one will move off their pet wagon for fear of being miseliminated.

[Titus]

pls guys fruits my friend and he isnt used to how ppl on forums play hes just playing with what he knows from (he does irl maf with friends) and discord maf

its prob a cultural shock for him

Proactive defense here is odd.

[Titus]

I believe Ive made clear my main reason for not voting GE is I have stronger scumreads elsewhere

Hmph...

[Titus]

good song

Gamma, what are your reads?

[Titus]

Need a VC before determining my next course.

[Titus]

titus how much of the game have you read?

All of it. Did you think I missed something?

[Titus]

Ok so Gamma was wagoned before I left, then unwagoned, then wagoned again, and is now slightly less wagoned but still a leading wagon (as of last VC)

That's ... kinda wild

Meanwhile Gamma votes Meuh, Cakez, Aristeia, and now Cakez again

Gamma is almost always cross-voting somebody (though I guess I don't see the timing without digging in deeper). That's interesting.

if a wagon formed on Titus/Isis I might join it
besides that all my suspects are people either voting or who have voted me

Why us two?

What do your reads look like?

[Titus]

Ok so Gamma was wagoned before I left, then unwagoned, then wagoned again, and is now slightly less wagoned but still a leading wagon (as of last VC)

That's ... kinda wild

Meanwhile Gamma votes Meuh, Cakez, Aristeia, and now Cakez again

Gamma is almost always cross-voting somebody (though I guess I don't see the timing without digging in deeper). That's interesting.

if a wagon formed on Titus/Isis I might join it
besides that all my suspects are people either voting or who have voted me

Why us two?

What do your reads look like?

I TR everyone else that hasn't voted me (skitter, GL, TUF)
I also don't think all scum are among people who voted me

Why?

[Titus]

I'm thinking Beat Pav Gamma at the moment.

[Titus]

titus how much of the game have you read?

All of it. Did you think I missed something?

i guess more just that i dont' have a very good sense for what you're thinking this game

Fair, I'm still sick and am likely going to sleep soon.

[Titus]

good song

Gamma, what are your reads?

skitter30, marcistar, The Ugly Fruit, GuiltyLion, Meuh
Pavowski, the worst
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Titus, Isis, Beat
Aristeia, SirCakez

town, townlean, null, scumread, strong scumread

Your scumreads are the two other wagons that could get votes.
Your weaker reads are the person driving the wagon on Beat, the person who could move, and the opportunity to vote Beat.
Pav inexplicably has a townread. If you were going to townread one of Beat and Pav, it should be Beat.
TuF is far to high on this list. I get a townlean but not hard town. Meuh is the only real hard town in there. Ari and Isis should be hard town as well. This reads list is just bad.

[Titus]

Titus if you're town here I'd like to work with you

Then vote Beat. It's the only place we can as I don't see you voting Pav.

[Titus]

Ari I liked her response to my conflict rather than pushing me to vote in Cakez/Gamma right away.

Cakez I'm weaker on but I just don't feel like he's a good lim. I can't really explain it well but his tone and the wagononmics just make me go, I'm not interested.

[Titus]

my reads feel like hot garbage atp and i dunno what is going on with like half the game >.>

Same

[Titus]

I'm really floundering in this game here. I am not following the social contexts here and the vote counts aren't helping. My reads feel dtale. I don't have a townblock in my mind, which worries me.

[Titus]

I may need to reread the game. I'm finally getting the lim I have wanted but I legit can't remember why I wanted it.

[Titus]

What's wrong with voting Titus?

Do you feel townreads on me are fine?

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 1.12

[6]

Beat

: Titus, Meuh, GuiltyLion, marcistar, Gamma Emerald, Aristeia

[3]

Aristeia

: skitter30, Beat, the worst

[1]

Titus

: SirCakez

[1]

Gamma Emerald

: Isis

[1]

skitter30

: The Ugly Fruit

[1]

Not voting

: Pavowski

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-06-12 18:48:05)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• Gamma Emerald and skitter30 currently v/la.

• have fun!

Here TUF

[Titus]

VOTE: the worst

[Titus]

I like the worst based on my skim of vcs.

[Titus]

I think I might be struggling to read Pav based on his language. Feckin heck comes across as fake but that's not likely an AI thing.

[Titus]

Hey Cakez, you want to get me back in the game? Let's discuss your reads. A readwall from anyone would help.

[Titus]

If it is compelling, why isn't Isis voting?

[Titus]

What about Gamma + Pav OR SirCakez with Coral?

VOTE: Gamma

[Titus]

Does Cakez sound upset at the number of TRs I have?

[Titus]

VOTE: Marcistar

A VCA case...my heart's gone.

[Titus]

Based on the VCs and how quick people are to defend marci without detailing why she's town, I'm ok with this

[Titus]

does Titus usually refuse to vote partners is what I mean

players have different styles

yea

Refuse is a bit strong and I change it up on occasion but I am generally antibus.

[Titus]

Titus, why should I vote Marci?

For the VCA. Because there is resistance but no TR defenses *shrug*

[Titus]

@Skitter, GL literally just made a case

[Titus]

There's no way there aren't any scum in GL/Titus/Isis

Then who do you think it is?

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 1.6

[4]

Gamma Emerald

: SirCakez, marcistar, the worst, Meuh

[3]

SirCakez

: GuiltyLion, Isis, Gamma Emerald

[1]

Isis

: skitter30

[1]

Meuh

: Beat

[1]

Beat

: Titus

[1]

skitter30

: The Ugly Fruit

[2]

Not voting

: Aristeia, Pavowski

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-06-12 18:48:05)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• skitter30, Pavowski and Gamma Emerald currently v/la.

• have fun!

VOTE COUNT 2.2

[4]

marcistar

: Isis, GuiltyLion, Titus, The Ugly Fruit

[3]

Isis

: Gamma Emerald, skitter30, Aristeia

[1]

Titus

: SirCakez

[1]

GuiltyLion

: Meuh

[1]

Gamma Emerald

: Pavowski

[2]

Not voting

: marcistar, Coral

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-06-21 19:53:27)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• Gamma Emerald and skitter30 currently V/LA.

• have fun!

Note to self, compare

[Titus]

if scum don't bus it will be very hard for 7 out of 9 town to agree on an elim

the game feels slow for some reason

If we get to that point, lord forbid, I have an idea to get us to agree and/or shake up discussion.

[Titus]

2004 Comparisons

• Aristeia - Undecided Gamma v SirCakez, Isis scummier than marcistar
  
• skitter30 - voted Isis both days. Confident not paired with Isis.
  
• Pavowski - Not on Gamma earlier, voting Gamma when on Isis despite larger wagons. Avoided both. Strong partnership with Isis viable.
  
• Meuh - Gamma scummier than Cakez, Voting guilty who is voting Marcistar. Voting opposite Guilty lion on Gamma v Cakez. Moderate anti-assiciatives Meuh and GuiltyLion
  
• marcistar - Gamma > Cakez, not voting counter. Would flip.
  
• The Ugly Fruit** - Votes skitter early, votes opposite skitter later on. Weak skitter anti associatives. Works as an Isis partner.
  
• Titus - Biased.
  
• Gamma Emerald - Likely town. Scum wouldn't bite the hand that feeds it (Isis)
  
• SirCakez - Would flip if either Marcistar or Isis are scum. Greater equity with marci though.
  
• Isis - Cakez scummier than Gamma. Possibly chainsawed for voting marcistar.
  Coral the worst - Gamma over Cakez. Sub obscures wagon 2.
  
• GuiltyLion - Cakez over Gamma. Marci over Isis. Anti associatives with Meuh bc countering Meuh or being voted by Meuh.

[Titus]

VOTE: Isis

Not opposed to marci but I feel we learn more from flipping Isis.

[Titus]

I doubt you are going to deduce five or more townreads from killing me Titus

"Gamma Emerald - Likely town. Scum wouldn't bite the hand that feeds it (Isis)" is this read a "no matter what Isis is" read or based on a bias that you think I'm maf?

No matter what you are.

[Titus]

Ahhhh ok lets try it
VOTE: pavowski

VOTE: pavo

Consider my vote here too.

[Titus]

That makes the most sense since you had an either or mindset with me possibly getting sawed for going at marci

I need to into more detail and add this last wagon in but I would be very surprised if you v marci was t v t

[Titus]

It's weird that there's a universal (edit: meuh liked it didn't she) consensus that Marci's reaction to her wagon was poor yet several vote switches away from her?(and a nonvote on skitter's part)

I didn't have a strong read on her reaction to the wagon personally, and Pavowski is a strong elim fmpov but it feels like I have sand in my tights

I'm starting to get an idea regarding camps and teams. I'll want a VC and more details, but I think you can see where I am going.

[Titus]

I actually moved onto Isis.

[Titus]

VOTE: Pav

[Titus]

VOTE: gamma emerald
fuck it, I'm clearly not fucking welcome in this game

ur my tr

[Titus]

like gamma if you're town here you kind of should be wondering if someone is defending you who shouldn't be because if a scum defends LHF town and then the scum escapes the LHF town usually gets chained right afterwards...

If anyone chains while I haven't finished my VCA, then they got another thing comin'

[Titus]

Coral, what if it's Skitter Pav?

[Titus]

Coral, I like your style. It's like a VCA but for social interactions. My brain's not really wired for that.

[Titus]

Why is skitter scum Titus

Skitter is not a high level scum candidate. Spitballing. Would rather flip Pav marci or Isis

[Titus]

Interesting. Coral, what do you think of Ari's vote switch off of Pav?

[Titus]

AFK today. I am not sure whether that idea is today or tomorrow. It can help scum today.

[Titus]

i guess we could just give scum points out

i dunno i just feel like our current voting system is getting us nowhere and its hard to build consensus

This to me means we've wagoned scum somewhere. Your changed vote derailed Pav.

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 2.4

[5]

Pavowski

: Meuh, skitter30, Aristeia, Titus, GuiltyLion

[3]

marcistar

: Isis, The Ugly Fruit, SirCakez

[1]

Gamma Emerald

: Gamma Emerald

[3]

Not voting

: marcistar, Coral, Pavowski

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-06-21 19:53:27)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• have fun!

I must have confused a sundress.

[Titus]

Meuh moved

[Titus]

you literally pushed beat over yesterday i dont want to hear it

I was wrong, and that's why I am looking at hard data for that reason.

[Titus]

People can we stop self voting? Even if I don't get my way, drama isn't good.

[Titus]

Fuck Monarchy. Anarchy rules.

I'm voting the scummiest slot I can.

Do take note that people can't agree on a heal target either although agreeing with the principal. Scum are deliberately being fractured at this point.

I say we just vote out Pav and be done with it.

I just worked 30 out of the past 34 hours. I'm not reading this shit about debates for a monarch. Don't care.

I will spearhead this game if necessary but I have not had the time to do so.

[Titus]

Ugh ten pages since Thursday afternoon. Can someone TLDR me?

[Titus]

You’ve been on this site for 13 years?

There are a lot of ancients.

[Titus]

meuh did i not tell u

THIS SITE IS OLDER THAN US
i think it was created when i was a baby..

I feel old.

[Titus]

when exactly was this created titus... do u know..

Nope. I'm not that ancient. I miss Thor and Dr. Pepper though. I've seen many come and go. Some I miss and some I don't.

[Titus]

If it was created in 2002, then I was in high school when it was made.

The first time I was asked out, it was on a landline phone.

[Titus]

I remember when you couldn't talk on the phone and surf the web at the same time.

[Titus]

There's a reason they call me Mama Bear.

I don't really understand instagram or social media. I'm not about broadcasting my life or needing a fake web persona. The closest I share with non RL friends or my therapists is the Speakeasy.

I had a flip phone, a smaller brick phone that could send texts the length of tweets, then a blackberry and finally a series of smartphones.

[Titus]

*RL = meatspace

[Titus]

No

[Titus]

It's a shame the babies missed my evolution. I used to be a rockstar with data and horrible with people. Now I'm kinda average.

[Titus]

Need to catch up. I vaguely recall seeing Ari make VCA excel images. I won't be able to review before work.

Side note, glad Ari was conftown. Would have pushed it today.

[Titus]

Sorry, I forgot to VLA.

I still need to VCA here.

[Titus]

Sorry, I am having major RL anxiety attack. I know my VCA is long overdue.

[Titus]

I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

[Titus]

Thanks. It came out of left field. Something I thought I processed from my divorce, I had not. I had to agree to a specific circumstance for work and I'm dreading the possibility of going alone.

[Titus]

My exhusband will be there.