Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Pavowski]

I just wanna say this plist makes me happy

VOTE: Guiltylion

[Pavowski]

The flavor makes me happy too but I can't vote Ydrasse

[Pavowski]

did udo that purposefully to take the top wtf??? must be scum??

I pagetop aggressively as either alignment

and hi Marci, been a minute!

[Pavowski]

yes it has been

would u say i can trust u this time around

Yeah dude

[Pavowski]

I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

[Pavowski]

I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

I was gonna say that cat is clearly The Worst but I decided not to embarrass myself

Also I figured out its head is turned sideways

But I feel like I had to work too hard for it

I'd vote you but I'm over here trying to make GL sweat

[Pavowski]

I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

I was gonna say that cat is clearly The Worst but I decided not to embarrass myself

Also I figured out its head is turned sideways

But I feel like I had to work too hard for it

I'd vote you but I'm over here trying to make GL sweat

That sounds like a fun thing to be a part of VOTE: GuiltyLion

That's what I'm talkin' about

I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

u mean it isnt a bunny?

Marci it's siiiiiideways!

[Pavowski]

Oh, and yeet

[Pavowski]

Yay! hello everyone! now if you excuse me imma read through yawls posts

I'm attempting to rejoin the game after whatever I posted last night (maybe me and Ari were in the same, like, cosmic bender) and like, what is this

This happened on page 2 as if there was anything to catch up on at that point and nothing after

What, in short, the F

I just discovered that this top that already made me squee over the thumbslits also has hand warming pockets

This is also interesting, are the pockets hand-warming by dint of the fact that all pockets warm your hands, or do the pockets generate warmth in some way?

[Pavowski]

what cat? :<

FUMING.

If this was a deliberate troll it's hilarious

If it was inadvertent it's funnier

[Pavowski]

GL/Titus/Gamma

Here you go

I like your vibes Meuh but this is weird and I'm curious how serious it is

[Pavowski]

Neither, their lateral angle and precise size maximize the comfortable enclosure of hands at the expense of the other possible purpose of pockets: storing belongings. Belongings would fall out quickly. This they are handwarming as an identifier for specialization, like a "putting" golf club.

The first time I got high -- before I got snackish and lost track of time and space -- I had the feeling of this triangular prism embedded in the front of my brain, which created this slight pressure and heat. Not painful, just vaguely disorienting and somehow calming.

Your posts give me a similar sensation

[Pavowski]

GL/Titus/Gamma

Here you go

I like your vibes Meuh but this is weird and I'm curious how serious it is

I feel pretty much neut about Titus and Gamma.
GL's intro feels a bit weird honestly? Just a bit off and I want to poke there.

Dunno how you could feel otherwise given they have exactly 1 RVS post apiece

[Pavowski]

I am joining the Marci is Town crew after 233

We should make some t-shirts

[Pavowski]

Meuh is my only real scumread and I don't like Cake's vote. waffley on Beat I could see her either way but I didn't like that one post I called out. There's also a few slots who haven't done anything at all that I need to get a read on

...

VOTE: Meuh

also, you can have a vote for lawyering on behalf of Cakez before he even answered my question

combined with your skitter and beat townreads, feels like you're trying to make buddies more than hunt scum

these reasons are the trashy, i feel like you as town would remember the time we both miselimated meuh and be more cautious about how you read her. i feel like ur the type of person to always try to see the two diff sides to things before committing to something, but wheres the weighing out both options here..?
now, im not sure if that exact game shes played "making buddies more than hunting" but i do remember i called her out for the "making friends more than hunting" reason in a different game without you and wound up being wrong so :shrug:

whats ur actual reason..? do u think she'll be an easy miselim..? is that why...?

I wonder if GL has an aversion to the way I play, considering how much he talked about me in 2268... (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go)
Like wow that scumread was intense and he mentioned me every other post, I feel bad for past me

But also that's an easy cop out for a faulty scumread with poor reasoning, so I probably shouldn't give it too much weight

You don't think he's being genuine?

[Pavowski]

I am joining the Marci is Town crew after 233

We should make some t-shirts

Spoiler:

The fact that you made these

[Pavowski]

Meuh is my only real scumread and I don't like Cake's vote. waffley on Beat I could see her either way but I didn't like that one post I called out. There's also a few slots who haven't done anything at all that I need to get a read on

...

VOTE: Meuh

also, you can have a vote for lawyering on behalf of Cakez before he even answered my question

combined with your skitter and beat townreads, feels like you're trying to make buddies more than hunt scum

these reasons are the trashy, i feel like you as town would remember the time we both miselimated meuh and be more cautious about how you read her. i feel like ur the type of person to always try to see the two diff sides to things before committing to something, but wheres the weighing out both options here..?
now, im not sure if that exact game shes played "making buddies more than hunting" but i do remember i called her out for the "making friends more than hunting" reason in a different game without you and wound up being wrong so :shrug:

whats ur actual reason..? do u think she'll be an easy miselim..? is that why...?

I wonder if GL has an aversion to the way I play, considering how much he talked about me in 2268... (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go)
Like wow that scumread was intense and he mentioned me every other post, I feel bad for past me

But also that's an easy cop out for a faulty scumread with poor reasoning, so I probably shouldn't give it too much weight

You don't think he's being genuine?

I think he's scum. He generally doesn't seem genuine or well-intentioned. Though your question seems like it's in response to my post but idk what specifically you're responding to

I think you answered what I asked even if I didn't communicate what I was asking very well

Man I'm on that stuff tonight, I'm trying, oof

[Pavowski]

A wild Isis appears

[Pavowski]

independent of that i like the thesis that shutting down threads of entropy in low information phase is ++apparent content and +0 town and kind of scummy

This is the stuff, right here

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Meuh good call tbh, fast and loose is a much better play than slow and steady

Of the Meuh votes I like this one the least

(See? I don't have to make jokes, I could have said this one is the worst)

[Pavowski]

like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

I think of posts like this and I think this is good analysis of Meuh

But then

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Not engaging with my response to GL’s argument at all, not asking me any questions to try sorting me, just echoing what’s already been said.
You have more experience playing with me (and a more accurate history of reading me) than GL and you’ve already seen Marci’s D1 tonal reads on me be very wrong.
The fact you’re willing to just go along with this push and rely on Marci/GL would be more understandable if we had never played together.
But here, I think it’s pretty telling.

I think this is fair and I sense there may be opportunism in the Meuh votes so I'm gonna trust my gut for the moment and see where this goes

VOTE: Gamma

[Pavowski]

I think we just win the game if we eliminate Pavo + GL

i dont think so tbhs

why do u think pav?

he feels like he is heavy on the chill/buddying and light on the solving/sorting

You have correctly identified my early game meta

[Pavowski]

Marci why are you still self-voting? =x

Team Marci is Town cannot sheep you

[Pavowski]

I replaced in after d1 in guardians tho

[Pavowski]

true

I guess I forgot anything happened on D1 in Guardians

Still one of my favorite games on site even though I did literally nothing in it lol

[Pavowski]

pav, whos scum?

VOTE COUNT 1.3

[5]

Gamma Emerald

: Beat, Aristeia, Meuh, Pavowski, SirCakez

[2]

Meuh

: Gamma Emerald, the worst

[1]

GuiltyLion

: skitter30

[1]

skitter30

: Isis

[1]

SirCakez

: GuiltyLion

[1]

marcistar

: marcistar

[1]

the worst

: Titus

[1]

Not voting

: The Ugly Fruit

Using my highly refined system and my impeccable d1 skills, I'd say 1 on Gamma, 1 doing the vanity thing, and I still have an eyeball on that ugly fruit

I realize I am not actually ready for gamma to be at e-2

UNVOTE:

Same, there were more existing votes on Gamma than I was aware of. That being said, I'm not loving some of Gamma's responses to being voted. Does that conflict with my 1 scum on the wagon feeling? Probably.

Mehhhhh UNVOTE:

[Pavowski]

I think it pretty clearly seems good to eliminate mafia

Hmm, yes, the spiciest of takes

[Pavowski]

@Titus, your RVS (I'm assuming) on the duck/cat thing is still there. Is it an actual vote at this point?

[Pavowski]

Yay! hello everyone! now if you excuse me imma read through yawls posts

Looking over the messages and so far i'm getting townie vibes from both the Tiger PFPs

@Fruit, got anything else for us?

[Pavowski]

yea I still think Pavo is just mafia sorry

I don't feel like you *are* sorry

[Pavowski]

I dont want you to be mafia :<

Thanks, I think? Who *do* you want to be mafia??

[Pavowski]

I dont want you to be mafia :<

Thanks, I think? Who *do* you want to be mafia??

I think this is an unfair questions ~.~

Not trying to trap you, I just wasn't sure what to do with you not wanting me to be mafia, lol

It seems to imply that you don't feel the same about others

[Pavowski]

I really like the vibes on this boat it feels like we're at a party with fancy sundresses and little sandwiches they serve on those fancy multi-tiered tray things.

It's nice.

Agree with this entirely except uh

I'm gonna do you all the favor of not putting on a sundress myself

Anyway apropos of nothing

@mod

I'm v/la until the 9th. I'll still be reading the thread but posting will be limited.

[Pavowski]

lol I love this game so much

[Pavowski]

pav does not want to wear a sundress : ( must mean hes scum...

I mean ... I'll *wear* one, but none of us are going to enjoy the experience

[Pavowski]

whos the dude in ur pfp

the dude

The duck gets it

[Pavowski]

if Pavo puts on his sundress and agrees to come to the boat party I will rent a yacht

Goddammit fine

[Pavowski]

Marci if you put the Dude in a sundress I will 100% use it as my avatar for the remainder of this game and possibly forevermore

[Pavowski]

idk why u guys like to pretend like its such a hard thing to do... it really isnt..

omg.

[Pavowski]

Why did I agree to this I'm not even high tonight

[Pavowski]

UNVOTE:

Pavowski you look ADORABLE !!!!!! I am willing to let you escape the ship even if you're mafia. Sundress Sisters for Lyfe

Selling out your dignity is always fookin worth it.

[Pavowski]

X_X

LMAO what is even happening right now

[Pavowski]

As hilarious and delightful as this is, I actually do have quite a day of driving ahead. VLA in effect. Catch you dudes on the boat

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Meuh good call tbh, fast and loose is a much better play than slow and steady

Of the Meuh votes I like this one the least

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Not engaging with my response to GL’s argument at all, not asking me any questions to try sorting me, just echoing what’s already been said.
You have more experience playing with me (and a more accurate history of reading me) than GL and you’ve already seen Marci’s D1 tonal reads on me be very wrong.
The fact you’re willing to just go along with this push and rely on Marci/GL would be more understandable if we had never played together.
But here, I think it’s pretty telling.

I think this is fair and I sense there may be opportunism in the Meuh votes so I'm gonna trust my gut for the moment and see where this goes

VOTE: Gamma

Pav can you help me reconcile these two posts

you think the worst's Meuh vote is worse than Gamma's Meuh vote, but then you vote Gamma instead? Are you scumreading both of these players? I get that your gut is saying scum voted Meuh, but I'm not able to understand the strength of your scumread on either player or why you voted Gamma over the worst

This was from a page or two back but I'm trying to catch up while looking out at the beach (still wearing my sundress fyi, the breeze around my legs is lovely)

TW's vote is worser in a vacuum but I scum read Gamma more in general. You also asked about gammas responses. I'm phone posting and it's hard to dig back but I recall Gamma pointedly asking one of the earlier voters why they were voting, but then with some of the later voters, there was like, no reaction. Which struck me as odd

"Strength of my scum read" is just kinda white noise to me d1, I put very little stock in my ability to read people before anything concrete happens

[Pavowski]

It's the perfect summer sundress accessory

[Pavowski]

and like pls don't feel guilty or whatever about getting my alignment wrong or mislimming me.

It's fine - some people take it really personally - I am not one of them; being mislimmed is part of the game.

The only way a player can really expect to never be mislimmed is if they have extreme divergence between their scum/town games and that's imo borderline cheating.

Good morning

I am driving home today and just thought I'd see how long the thread got in the meantime... woof

Anyway this is NAI but I love this post from Ari, it has retroactively made me feel better about a lot of games on this site... One of those things that like, is obvious but you don't necessarily realize it until you say it or hear it... Or maybe I'm just super dumb, which is a thing that should never be taken off the table

Ok I'm off to drive for most of the day. Should re-engage tonight.

[Pavowski]

Oh and to give some content on the current discussion I would say that non-engagement trends scummier but is not in and of itself AI, and please ignore my nonexistence over the last several days

Ok the road beckons and I must answer

[Pavowski]

Evening friends, I am home after an 8 hour drive and I dropped an edible, AMA while I review and while I'm still coherent

[Pavowski]

Actually reviewing all of the past 4 days might be a tall order but I'll do my best

Hope you feel better Skitter, the 'vid is no joke even if all you have is a fear that you have it

[Pavowski]

Who the hell am I kidding, I'm not reading all that in time. (Though I do see the Fruit is posting more -- Hi Fruit! -- and is now vla I guess, so nevermind)

Gonna look at votes instead, numbers don't lie, except when they're imaginary

[Pavowski]

Ok so Gamma was wagoned before I left, then unwagoned, then wagoned again, and is now slightly less wagoned but still a leading wagon (as of last VC)

That's ... kinda wild

Meanwhile Gamma votes Meuh, Cakez, Aristeia, and now Cakez again

Gamma is almost always cross-voting somebody (though I guess I don't see the timing without digging in deeper). That's interesting.

[Pavowski]

Ok so Gamma was wagoned before I left, then unwagoned, then wagoned again, and is now slightly less wagoned but still a leading wagon (as of last VC)

That's ... kinda wild

Meanwhile Gamma votes Meuh, Cakez, Aristeia, and now Cakez again

Gamma is almost always cross-voting somebody (though I guess I don't see the timing without digging in deeper). That's interesting.

interesting indeedy. do you think it's ai?

do you think it's ai?

Lookit you guys having a little moment there

First thought is it's town because I think scum!Gamma would be more self-aware about OMGUSing but I should check the ISO before I like, marry myself to that take or anything, and I feel my edible arriving so that's not a thing I'm gonna do tonight

[Pavowski]

Evening friends, I am home after an 8 hour drive and I dropped an edible, AMA while I review and while I'm still coherent

how do u feel about space? what's your favourite galaxy?

Space is my favorite, galaxies suck, nebulas are where it's at

[Pavowski]

fart noise

Pardon you

[Pavowski]

Evening friends, I am home after an 8 hour drive and I dropped an edible, AMA while I review and while I'm still coherent

how do u feel about space? what's your favourite galaxy?

Space is my favorite, galaxies suck, nebulas are where it's at

nebulae are really cute yeah. what's your third favourite planet in our solar system?

I feel like you are trying to derail my very useful re-entry to the game with more fluff but I will say

Earth

After Saturn and Venus, obviously

And Pluto counts (because Dwarf Planets are Planets too [#dwarfplanetsareplanetstoo]) but is further down the list

Now I put you on the spot

Looks like you're the only one voting Meuh right now, why not get on a wagon? (I am looking for ideas)

[Pavowski]

what were you hoping to discern from asking me that tho

The vanity wagons are interesitng and they have dissipated except for yours and Fruit's, but Fruit is vla so that's less interesting

[Pavowski]

burp noise

fart noise

I did not notice this on sundress attack night but your avatars are very very similar and it's stressing me out

[Pavowski]

Also

[Pavowski]

I am back on my pagetop shiznik

[Pavowski]

Pav what do you think about Beat

I'll iso-dive them a bit, I don't remember having much of an impression yet

[Pavowski]

Stoned Cakez will be rolling in with hot takes soon...

Stoned posting is my gig tonight bub

Actually I'm probably gonna lose focus and drift away to listen to Radiohead so you can take over for me

[Pavowski]

Pav what do you think about Beat

I need to read again with a clearer head but the defense of Gamma is weirdish ... doesn't seem to particularly townread Gamma but says like "I could vote there but eh" and "I think there is more value elsewhere"

And I don't love it

Has also gone to bat for some other players in rather overt fashion, ie TUF and, well, myself

Which also pings weird

Then again I think she's an alt, which is weird, cuz alts are weird

tl;dr null leaning scum

(oof I cannot look at any more isos tonight, my coherent time is running out)

[Pavowski]

yw yw

[Pavowski]

Lucid Pav is going bye bye, I will vote in the morning when I have a chance of remembering what I'm doing

[Pavowski]

I don't like how we have another wagon that is just two votes away from being a hammer, The only reason as of now why I don't see the Hammer ending so soon is if either at least two mafia are voting bean, or they don't wanna get someone killed immediately. either way I don't like this vote, I honestly don't like any of the votes that have come stupidly close to a Hammer, Like Gamma's

Who would you like us to be looking at instead?

I continue to find your play a little weird, but I know you're new to the site. TRing Ari for not wanting a hammer here doesn't track for me. Time is getting lowish in the day, we need to be figuring out a lim, and either Gamma or Beat get us some info, regardless of how they flip at this point.

[Pavowski]

I'll speak for myself but I don't think 2 days would qualify as an "early hammer" for anybody here.

It's also customary once a player hits that e-1 for a player who means to hammer to claim "intent to hammer" and give people a last chance to give their thoughts before it happens. (This is why when Gamma hit e-2 several days ago we all bailed out, and presumably why Ari hopped off of Beat, but that's a little fishier at this point for me)

Granted there are some that will quick hammer but that, too, can be a source of info

[Pavowski]

Off topic, but for future reference, what would you dictate as an early hammer?

That's a moving target that depends a lot on the information on the table and the stage and pace of the game, but I'd consider a hammer coming before the midpoint of the "day" early in a lot of cases and especially early in a game

It just depends on too many things to give a simple answer to this but yeah, a d1 ending before half the time has elapsed I'd be thinking "why"

[Pavowski]

Also maybe I'm taking crazy pills but I do not find the Marci / Fruit back and forth genuine

[Pavowski]

Let me put a finer point on it

@ Marci and Fruit

The interactions between the two of you are awkward as hell imo and I'm wondering:

Do you SR the other or are you just struggling to read them in this particular arena?

[Pavowski]

Oops fruit posted while I was posting and I was too lazy to pedit

[Pavowski]

ok

ill reread beats iso tomm

sorry if ur town here - i just get queasy feelings about this and i need to digest it

VOTE: Beat


maybe I am just really dumb

What prompted you deciding to go Beat here after all?

[Pavowski]

I didn't particularly want beat, I think we learn more from a gamma flip but that ain't happening right now

I was gonna vote you Ari but you getting back on Beat kinda defuses the concrete reason I had to scum read you

[Pavowski]

That is, I found you unvoting Beat a good chance of s/s just based on how and when it happened but that feels out the window now

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Gamma

this feels like a good place to start

[Pavowski]

we will misyeet today and ari will escape tonight.

You think scum!Ari:

is voting Beat
hops off wagon when Beat gets close to elim, and then
votes Beat again to secure the lim

[Pavowski]

Nothing has clubbed me upside the head yet

I think Gamma makes sense here, I could look at Ari too

[Pavowski]

Dudes =x

Don't get personal, it's such a lovely day

You know, except for Beat floating in the water back there

[Pavowski]

Got some reading back to do tomorrow, calling it a night while we're here. Take it easy all

[Pavowski]

pls guys fruits my friend and he isnt used to how ppl on forums play hes just playing with what he knows from (he does irl maf with friends) and discord maf

its prob a cultural shock for him

ugh fruits always just such a frustrating player to deal with.

he calls me filler, but thats just exactly what he is.
refuses to read at times, complains about wagons in a way that it seems like hes trying to prevent progression, only focusing on reading skitter, a weird lack of reads in his iso.

i know hes perfectly capable but also i know he just generally likes shitting around and being stubborn

i dont scumread fruit im just statimg facts

when hes town he usually gets in the way of good scumhunting where we play

I think the thing really sinister about this progression is that after 1275, TUF has been granted agency. If 1275 is taken well by the other players, modest efforts of scumhunting from fruit will followed up on, rather than if she didn't post it, then we might view it as being too low effort to signal boost compared to other people in the town.

After 1534 TUF doesn't have agency. He's discredited. If you engage the lines he's questioning along you're participating in "getting in the way of good scumhunting".

The thing that changed was that TUF suspected her.

1275 is perhaps the scummier feather on the scale in the end. She probably has long held a belief that fruit is ineffective, but she characterized his posting favorably in 1275 because she expected fruit to just bloc with her for free since he doesn't know anyone else in the game. She'd be interested in doing that as both alignments but more interested as scum because town!marci doesn't know whether she needs to just kill TUF d1 because he's scum (she's never actually posted an affirmative reason to townread him, all game)

It's reassuring to see that I'm not the only one bothered by Marci/Fruit

[Pavowski]

Oh and welcome Coral, another anime girl in a sundress to keep straight, things are going great

You have the right vibe, I embrace the vibe

[Pavowski]

I don't love reading people when emotions are high but I think Ari's reactions with TW last night (hate to see you go Duck) are towny

[Pavowski]

TW's reactions less so

[Pavowski]

I'm not saying TW slot is scum full stop, I'm saying in the interaction between TW and Ari there I found Ari townier. Duck/coral is still nullish and I'm gonna try my best to read it based on Coral

[Pavowski]

Feckin heck I thought I was talking to Meuh, I swear your avatars are basically identical lol

Didn't mean to refer to you in the 3rd person while addressing you directly, that was weird

Also, yeet

[Pavowski]

I'm not saying TW slot is scum full stop, I'm saying in the interaction between TW and Ari there I found Ari townier. Duck/coral is still nullish and I'm gonna try my best to read it based on Coral

you didnt think the way duck got mad at me was townie?

i would really be surprised if he was capable of doing that as mafia >.>

Let me preface by saying that this whole conversation makes me uncomfortable, not just because the Duck is my dude, but because the moment you start trying to figure out people's emotional reactions to things it quickly becomes a minefield and I don't wanna stick my foot in my mouth more than I do just as a result of talking generally

But I think it's easy as scum to have that "worst possible interpretation" view when other people post things and I think it's possible that played a role here

I dunno, as I'm saying this I feel like it sounds stupid, and I think it's only barely useful -- if at all -- to be basing a read on a player who has now exited the game. I just get really uncomfortable when people take things personally, and I'm a little bit socially handicapped anyway

And again I'm not saying all of the above = DuckScum, I was just noting that, in that particular exchange, you -- Ari -- struck me as townier. You could both be town

Anyway I feel awkward as hell now =\ I'm just gonna pretend that unpleasantness last night didn't happen and we just have a new face at our sundress party for some reason

[Pavowski]

i tried my best and my best was terrible aaahahaha

Hey another sundress!

You know, I didn't realize until last night that GL has a dress now too and I felt super dumb about not realizing it earlier and didn't want to bring it up, but seeing as I'm in full-on awkward mode HEY GL HAS A DRESS

[Pavowski]

Anyway I feel awkward as hell now =\ I'm just gonna pretend that unpleasantness last night didn't happen and we just have a new face at our sundress party for some reason

Hi, I'm new face, nice to meet you!

I've noticed a sort of lack of strong stances from you this game. The vibes are a bit questionable, to be honest. You seem self-aware of an awkwardness so I guess it could be more of a personality thing.

What is your strongest alignment-related opinion right now?

How dare you question my vibes

I think we should've limmed Gamma yesterday, and I'm a little surprised we're not talking about it much today

[Pavowski]

1. The rise and fall of the Gamma wagon(s) yesterday
2. Generally pretty stingy with reads and info
3. Overreaction to Isis throwing a little shade to start d2

[Pavowski]

Hard pushing is not, like, my style, man

[Pavowski]

pav, whos scum?

VOTE COUNT 1.3

[5]

Gamma Emerald

: Beat, Aristeia, Meuh, Pavowski, SirCakez

[2]

Meuh

: Gamma Emerald, the worst

[1]

GuiltyLion

: skitter30

[1]

skitter30

: Isis

[1]

SirCakez

: GuiltyLion

[1]

marcistar

: marcistar

[1]

the worst

: Titus

[1]

Not voting

: The Ugly Fruit

Using my highly refined system and my impeccable d1 skills, I'd say 1 on Gamma, 1 doing the vanity thing, and I still have an eyeball on that ugly fruit

I realize I am not actually ready for gamma to be at e-2

UNVOTE:

Same, there were more existing votes on Gamma than I was aware of. That being said, I'm not loving some of Gamma's responses to being voted. Does that conflict with my 1 scum on the wagon feeling? Probably.

Mehhhhh UNVOTE:

why did you unvote gamma here and then never vote for the rest of the day ?

Gamma wagon had too many votes for that early in the day

Then I was on the beach

Then I didn't like the wagons at day's end and vanity wagoning at that point would have been pointless

[Pavowski]

marcis sig might legit be a scum claim

Her signature represents her pretty well tbh...

cries

It did tho

[Pavowski]

marcis sig might legit be a scum claim

Her signature represents her pretty well tbh...

cries

It did tho

*Do, dammit

[Pavowski]

I'm not sure how I feel about Skitter at this point, I should probably reread her
Not sure she's a good lim idea for today either way

am i actually evil... why does it represent me sob

on another note, im drawing rn and the girlies... arms... both of them... kinda looking dislocated and noodle like bodies r so hard

on another another note, i feel like i need to think deeper abt my reads cuz like the more yall talk the more i regret flipping beat so easily like that
someone should totally pocket me rn so that i dont need to do the thinking

someone should totally pocket me rn so that i dont need to do the thinking

MOOD

Here you go

Vote Gamma, we'll be besties

[Pavowski]

There's your hard push btw Marci

[Pavowski]

I think my stuff is arriving at the station, deuces for tonight my dudes

[Pavowski]

Good afternoon friends, the last couple days kinda ran me over in a big way, apologies for my absence

[Pavowski]

must be some kind of super power

More like "stupor power" amirite

No actually half this game I've been high or unavailable and that's maybe not the best way to go about playing mafia, but we all make mistakes in life.

I really am reading back the last several pages

[Pavowski]

just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that

Did the votes indicate that Marci getting limmed was imminent/likely at the time of this post? This feels weird

[Pavowski]

Good afternoon friends, the last couple days kinda ran me over in a big way, apologies for my absence

As long as you're here to make yourself sus that's all we need

My entire oeuvre is sus, even in games I'm not playing in

I once had players who still wanted to vote me even after I was confirmed town in a game

[Pavowski]

kinda also waiting to see Pav's reaction to this wagon

I see I have 4 votes now and they came pretty quick. That's fun.

This is the kind of thing that's odd to say out loud in the thread because now I'm super self-conscious

I dunno how to respond to the wagon anyway, because everytime I try to "act towny" I invariably garner more scumreads

So pardon me while I check the PT to see how I should react to this

[Pavowski]

Guess it's time to give Gamma a break since nobody's coming with me on that one UNVOTE: Gamma

[Pavowski]

yes I mean I specifically intend for you to feel self-conscious if you are scum

if you are town your main objective should be sorting people though, not being townread?

like, do you think there is scum voting you currently? scum not voting you but angling to join the wagon? who is town voting you?

just give thoughts let me see you actually thinking about the game instead of floating in and out

I should advocate for my non-lim, tho, right?

Looking at my votes right now I'd say the worst looking ones are Ari and Titus:
Titus has been shading me from d1 but hasn't voted me until the wagon gained some steam, gives the impression of waiting for cover
Ari kinda same deal but less so -- was an early vote
Skitter and Meuh lean town for me

[Pavowski]

what about me pav!! im not on ur wagon but whats ur read on me!!

I find your reaction to your wagon distinctly out of step with the rest of your play this game

Which is to say you've been all vibes until you have some votes on and then it's "lim me, whatever" which just doesn't click

Gonna be sad if you're scum, but I feel like I could say the same about several people in this game so I guess I need to let go of not wanting to vote people

[Pavowski]

There's also your straight-up stonewalling when it comes to giving reads which is like, so anti-town it might actually be town

Which also makes no sense

Congratulations Marci, you're an enigma, but I'm leaning scummy on you right now

[Pavowski]

Feels genuinely lost d1 and is making some contrary reads on d2 when it would be easier to lay low

Also if Skit were scum I'd think there would be a little more sauce in the defense of certain slots (ie me)

[Pavowski]

Marci / Gamma can be partners here

[Pavowski]

the prime reason being the last game me and marci were scum together in went about as poorly for us as possible

This does not at all mean you can't be partnered here

[Pavowski]

we cant be partnered cuz im not scum ezpz lemon squeezie

Oh, well that's that, then

[Pavowski]

=\

[Pavowski]

we cant be partnered cuz im not scum ezpz lemon squeezie

Oh, well that's that, then

This was me not at all accepting her reason if that's what you meant

See this is why I don't lead pushes

[Pavowski]

I still feel like persona non grata in this game

Absolutely not my intent, and my apologies for making it seem so

[Pavowski]

Kinda weird for pav to quote an already short post and take out the logic part and say "no u"

also I think this is pretty bad from Pav the more I think about it

like Gamma made very clear arguments in that post that were

predicated on

how things went down the last time marci/Gamma were S-S

and Pav didn't respond to the claims that Gamma made, just took the premise out of context and treated it like it was the conclusion

VOTE: Pavowski

Maybe we are reading Gamma's post in fundamentally different ways, but Gamma identified the statement I sourced there as being "the primary reason", the rest of the post is conjecture

I never want to assume I've been 100% clear but this feels like a bit of a misrep

[Pavowski]

Then again I'm exhausted and roasting in my skin in this heat wave so what the hell do I know, I need a shower and then some sleep

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Fruit

[Pavowski]

Does this make us friends again Marci?

[Pavowski]

i'm at the point where maybe I put your names into a hat and draw one out and we do that if you can trust my lucky hat and god's good graces

This doesn't sound so bad right now tbh

There are 6 days left in this day, how is it possible

[Pavowski]

we were always friends sob

<3

the vibe in thread yesterday gave me the yucks but I feel better tonight, probably because I'm about to make tacos

[Pavowski]

I mean Fruit do you have thoughts on the game beyond your vote on Marci?

[Pavowski]

HEAL: Skitter
HEAL: Ari since this whole thing is your idea

That's about as far as I'm willing to go right now

These are not 1000% town btw, but that's an impossible standard right now

[Pavowski]

it is actually kind of wild to me that Pavo voted for me and you when we almost threw him off the boat like 2 days ago -.-

Same

I'm weird like that, I don't assume people voting me are evil

Also as you pointed out, it's probably tricky for scum to pull an advantage out of this little plan, so that makes you suggesting it pretty +town

[Pavowski]

it is actually kind of wild to me that Pavo voted for me and you when we almost threw him off the boat like 2 days ago -.-

Same

I'm weird like that, I don't assume people voting me are evil

Also as you pointed out, it's probably tricky for scum to pull an advantage out of this little plan, so that makes you suggesting it pretty +town

i don't think i suggested it?
ari did

why are you even townreading me

I quoted your response to Ari's statement, that was directed at Ari, my bad

I answered that yesterday and it's fresh in my mind so I stand by it

[Pavowski]

Feels genuinely lost d1 and is making some contrary reads on d2 when it would be easier to lay low

Also if Skit were scum I'd think there would be a little more sauce in the defense of certain slots (ie me)

[Pavowski]

I prob should have asked this yesterday but can you explain why scum!skitt would be

more

strong in defending you if you are town? Doesn't it serve her to let you get miseliminated? what benefit would WK-ing you specifically for her here?

I'm saying if scumskitt were going to bother defending my slot, she'd put a little more work into it than just saying "pav's not scummy" and leave it at that, which is how I remembered it

Which is evidence to me of townskitt, who does not want me mislimmed if she's TRing me, which I figured she was at the time

[Pavowski]

Marci seriously =\

[Pavowski]

Oh phrasing. Make sense. Ironically

You and I are sharing a brain, I'm sure of it

[Pavowski]

Oh phrasing. Make sense. Ironically

You and I are sharing a brain, I'm sure of it

as long as i don't have to wear floral white i may allow

Not a problem

I only need it 10% of the time

[Pavowski]

UNOFFICIAL GL VC PLEASE NOTE UNOFFICIAL

VOTE COUNT GL

[4]

The Ugly Fruit

: Meuh, Pavowski, Gamma Emerald, marcistar

[3]

Pavowski

: skitter30, Titus, GuiltyLion

[2]

marcistar

: The Ugly Fruit, SirCakez

[1]

skitter30

: Isis

[1]

Gamma Emerald

: Coral

[1]

Not voting

: Aristeia

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-06-21 19:53:27)

in the mean time we could talk about this

do we think all three of the leading wagons are on town? If so, what are scum doing?

if not, which of the three is most likely to be scum (directed at Isis, Coral, Ari)

it kinda occurs to me that for as much flack as we've been giving slots like marci/gamma/Pav for not doing anything, at least they're voting active wagons as of now
my townreads are the ones who are kinda just not advancing the game right now

Thanks for this GL

I don't think there's a chance in hell Marci and TUF are scum together, and .... man I still don't think Marci's play here is particularly towny but I'm having a hard time continuing to scumread her here

As for not doing anything, well ... a lot of the lobby wants me dead, and I've given the reads and votes I can, I'm not sure what else I can offer at the moment except maybe by getting flipped. Which, you know. Suboptimal for me but whatever

As has been pointed out by more than one person, it's really difficult to see what to do here, with no red flips and no NK to think about

[Pavowski]

I would prefed if he made an effort and didnt understand over whatever he's doing now

~
@ari: no, no at ~6:15pm they rebooked me on a flight leaving at 4:30pm the same day
Which is now delayed to 11pm >.>

Oh and safe travels Skitter, airport foibles are no fun =\

[Pavowski]

I don't think there's a chance in hell Marci and TUF are scum together, and .... man I still don't think Marci's play here is particularly towny but I'm having a hard time continuing to scumread her here

is UglyFruit the slot that you think is most likely to be scum?

I still like a Gamma vote but that's beaten to death at this point and it's obviously not coming today

Upon re-reading a little I like Titus less and less, possible I'm taking it personally but she's had it in for me basically the whole game and has never given a whole lot of reason why

Not like I'm under the delusion I'm gonna start a new wagon people will suddenly follow me on at this point

[Pavowski]

I mean... I thought I gave that in 2560 and 2564 but I'm here if you want to ask anything more specific

[Pavowski]

I don't think there's a chance in hell Marci and TUF are scum together, and .... man I still don't think Marci's play here is particularly towny but I'm having a hard time continuing to scumread her here

As for not doing anything, well ... a lot of the lobby wants me dead, and I've given the reads and votes I can, I'm not sure what else I can offer at the moment except maybe by getting flipped. Which, you know. Suboptimal for me but whatever

Sorry, i thought gl wrote this post for some reason
Ok so does this imply u think tuf is scum?

What do u think scum is doing rn ?

TUF is a decent shot for scum, I think, they're certainly not towny

Scum are probably fairly comfortable with the disarray we seem to be in, which suggests either they're not worried about the top wagons right now (I get this conflicts with me SRing TUF but I dunno what to do with that right now) or not worried about the people likely to be coronated at the end of this exercise

Or we could be close to coronating scum but if scum!Ari has orchestrated this it's almost worth taking the L

[Pavowski]

Make the case Marci, I'm ready to believe you

[Pavowski]

I am happy to hear everyone's thoughts about who they want to kill.

Pav my top choice (another log for the "Pav is scum" fire is that he just apparently completely missed marci's case on Isis, I have to think townies who actually care about sorting & solving would have clocked it while reading)

would be ok with any of marci/Gamma/Fruit as alternate choices, though my confidence in finding the town/scum in those is lower than my confidence in scum!Pav

anyone else feels like a bad choice to me, though I will sheep

GL, I get you think I'm scum. It's obvious you don't vibe with the way I'm playing. Respectfully, I don't appreciate the allegation that I'm not playing / don't care.

[Pavowski]

Seeking a replacement for Gamma Emerald.

meh I stand by my point

until proven otherwise by a townflip in either of them, I'm buying more stock in my Pav/Gamma read. Pav was also a voter on the first Gamma wagon (331), then unvoted once he had a good opportunity to do so (355), and did not rejoin at any point when Gamma wagon had it's second heyday (893), then Day 2 he voted Gamma but didn't push it at all (at least I don't remember any Pav pushing for Gamma lim) and moved to Fruit once Fruit was a viable wagon

and Gamma gave a very weak justification as to why she was avoiding voting Pav (2421)

Respectfully, I don't appreciate the allegation that I'm not playing / don't care.

Sorry, I see how that phrasing was more harsh than I intended it, especially if you are town.

if it helps at all, when I said "actually care" it was in reference to townies (who -actually- care) vs scum (who don't care because they're informed), I didn't mean to imply you don't care because of you as a player or person, I was saying you don't care because of your alignment. But I should have worded it better.

Preciate <3

[Pavowski]

Double quote sorry I was working on a reply to that 1st post and phone posting is bad

[Pavowski]

Seeking a replacement for Gamma Emerald.

meh I stand by my point

until proven otherwise by a townflip in either of them, I'm buying more stock in my Pav/Gamma read. Pav was also a voter on the first Gamma wagon (331), then unvoted once he had a good opportunity to do so (355), and did not rejoin at any point when Gamma wagon had it's second heyday (893), then Day 2 he voted Gamma but didn't push it at all (at least I don't remember any Pav pushing for Gamma lim) and moved to Fruit once Fruit was a viable wagon

and Gamma gave a very weak justification as to why she was avoiding voting Pav (2421)

I have pushed Gamma d2 and said repeatedly I will vote there today, but it has gotten no traction so I've dropped it.

D1 unless I'm much mistaken the 2nd Gamma wagon had defused by the time I returned to the game

As for why Gamma hasn't voted me, well, obviously I can't answer that but maaaaybe it's because she doesn't SR me as hard as you do

[Pavowski]

Welcome Faker, I SR your slot sorry

[Pavowski]

UNVOTE:

Hey everyone, I don't really intend to reread unless I get bored one day or become particularly determined to root something out.

I see a VT flip Day 1 and I am down to hear a brief tl;dr on who I should vote. I've got a loose grasp on the setup. I'm around to chat for a bit.

at the moment we've stalled on wagoning and pressuring several suspects (your slot hit E-2 twice on D1 and is fairly suspected still, myself included), but other popular scumreads are theuglyfruit, Pavowksi, and marcistar (though maybe to a lesser degree), at a very abstract / general level the common sentiment is that these slots haven't been as engaged/present in scum hunting and are mostly sitting back while Ari, Isis, skitter, Coral have been arguing about which wagons/reads are best. Titus/SirCakez have been less involved but are pretty generally townread. Meuh is kinda in between those two camps, fairly townread but (in my opinion) not as directly engaged in some of the more significant debates of D1/D2, though definitely moreso than Titus or Cakez. I'm abstaining from commenting on myself

as a strategy to shake things up from the apathetic/stalled state, we held an election of most townread player and Ari got the most votes at 6, so we plan to let her decide the lim today.

you should probably look at the VCs of D1 as well as the Fruit wagon, which your predecessor supported, and maybe ISO Ari if you have any major concerns with her picking a lim today.

Petition to delete the first 100 pages of this game and make this post #1 instead

[Pavowski]

was produced under duress

whats duress mean

dress?!??! heck yeah i should try on my dresses

Petition to rename the game to Sun Duress Party

[Pavowski]

Just noted down that Worst got replaced by Coral

Good night everybody

[Pavowski]

Just noted down that Worst got replaced by Coral

Good night everybody

Do you think this has any bearing on alignment? I think the earlier posts to me make it appear legitimate, though it is tempting to work back through the post-worst ISO to doublecheck.

Not particularly, no

It has been posited before that TuF must be town because of posts like this, so in that way, maybe. But in and of itself, no

[Pavowski]

Also I will never get over how good this song is
https://open.spotify.com/track/4eZPjR0d ... 0741de4bf2
Like wow!

My absolute favorite lyricist.

And my favorite album from her.

[Pavowski]

Extraordinary Machine has a very different sound (weird issues with the production of the album caused her to have to re-record it and I think she was bored or something) but it's also quite excellent imo. Waltz... Werewolf... Every Single Night...

I so rarely encounter other fans, it's weird, cuz she's phenomenal

[Pavowski]

Who is Fiona Apple

See =\

She's an awesome songwriter/singer/pianist from back in the 90s but she's still kickin, has about an album every 5 or 6 years cuz she's a weirdo like that

[Pavowski]

I was interested to hear it from Marci, but I haven't really scumread Isis very much and my reads are purely academic at this point

Why am I still alive?

[Pavowski]

I wanted to give faker more time to catch up and skitter is on vacation

are you town pavo?

I hate this question every time it gets asked

My answer won't help my case and it's the only answer I can give

Anyway, yes

Faker I see you were looking for a little more from me ... sorry it's not going to happen tonight, I'm spent and was just checking to see Ari's decision. I don't see how anything I can say changes things at this point with two of you ready to hammer me

If I'm still alive in the morning I can maybe effort a little

[Pavowski]

Great flavor Ydra, and really well played town, I was terrified of y'all

At least I got this sweet avatar out of it

[Pavowski]

At least I got this sweet avatar out of it

og when i made it i LAUGHED SO HARD

and then i convinced myself of many diff things regarding u
but the biggest one was "lolol pav auch pretty pfp must be town!!" I WAS ENCHANTED BY IT..
YOU BETTER KEEP IT FOREVER

I might have to rotate in the Lebowski Luigi one too, not gonna lie

This game is an embarrassment of riches for my avatar selection, not so much for my scumgame

I was very sad to roll scum in this list =\ but that's life I guess

[Pavowski]

Hopefully my flip creates some confusion. We'll see.[/spoiler]

Oh you sweet summer child, I am so sorry. I found every post of yours hilarious though, and you're always fun to be around. Interactions take a really long time to get downpat.

lol. Thanks. All I really wanted to do this game was meme, the red PM was kinda a demoralizer =\

[Pavowski]

Spoiler: Slay the Spire

Won a defect run with no orb cards other than the basic starter ones and a fission. Deck was almost infinte through recycle + sundial + unceasing top + madness . Scrape was unironically like really good.

Oh yeah, this game introduced me to STS which has, since I got limmed, consumed a really inappropriate number of my hours

Probably for the best I got limmed, I was able to figure out how to play and suck as the Silent and realize that Defect > all

[Pavowski]

sorry for tunneling you meuh :>

still funny our original sundress party was pretty much all town and we ended up dragging poor pavowski onto the party boat with us and even got him that cute avvie.

this was so much fun ^^

Nobody forced me to do anything I was not otherwise willing to do

*hides sundress in back of closet*

(but not *too* deep in the back)

[Pavowski]

Is that last scum game you mentioned trust fall? If so I'm sorry for rolling town against you both of those times

It was. For a couple of reasons I took a break after that one (my suckage as scum being among them), then I saw this game open for signups, said "wow look at that plist, I want a piece" and then when I got my PM I very much no longer wanted a piece Still had fun tho *hairflip*