Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Pocketing attempt spotted

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marci hard town

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Obviously

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Pocketing attempt spotted

Why is this a pocketing attempt?

Realize i misread this and its because [arbitrary RVS reason]

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can you talk me through your marci = hard town read?

Very at home in the town. You'd expect to find scum either sticking out or trying to fit in rather than naturally ditting in.

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Skitter start the wagon with me

There's already like 4 votes on me, including skitter

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Unless Cakez is deliberatly faking so I think scum would be more likely to identify the gamestate. Cakez most likely green then

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If you want to <3

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Indeed we have

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I have played with a signifigant portion of the playerlist.

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Is my point not that it being unlikely is the source of the townread?
I suppose you could say its not but I see no reason not to present my thought on the natural counterpoint to my read. Besides it never hurts to be meticulous.

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The Setup is designed around a Mafia lim always being more powerful than a town lim. Shooting for mafia every day is for the best

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The Setup is designed around a Mafia lim always being more powerful than a town lim. Shooting for mafia every day is for the best

Ahh yes in Mafia we try to eliminate scum. Beat with the strats.

Dont like this taking the quote out of the relevant context.

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I think we just win the game if we eliminate Pavo + GL

Feels.... overly confident and potentially malicious.

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like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

I posted 79 because to me Skitter was pretty clearly wrong about the intent behind Beat's vote.

I guess maybe the thing I really want to ask here is - do you think Skitter being wrong about the intent of Beat's vote is town-indicative, or just completely NAI? What felt off to me the way you posted 79 and Skitter disagreed with you and reaffirmed she scumread Beat yet you then landed on a townread, I didn't understand the thought process of how that question and her answer lead to your read. But if 79 for you was nothing beyond clarifying a misconception then I might have less of an issue with it

I kind of doubt someone would purposely misinterpret a pretty clear memey vote to drive an agenda, tbh. I don't think it was purposeful so I just think it's NAI.
So yeah my intent with the post was just to clear that up, not defend Beat. I only really got the town-lean on Beat after looking into them from being prompted by Skitter. None of Beat's posts really stuck to me beforehand. Whether Skitter townreads Beat or not doesn't really matter to me when reading Skitter.

From the interactions here I don't think GL and Meuh are S/S. GLs push on Meuh feels. . undermining. It wouldnt be an effective bus and would only serve to weaken scum's hold on the gamestate. I could see it as either genuine scumread or scum shading so i think its nai individually, although Meuh's defense by reframing the question feels slightly scum indicitave

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Note: Quoted are the bookends of stated interaction not the entire interaction

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Don't Elim List: Beat, Marcistar, SirCakez, GuiltyLion, Isis

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Looking over the messages and so far i'm getting townie vibes from both the Tiger PFPs

Why

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We shall see

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btw

whats ur thoughts on the worst

no thoughts head empty
He’s like a late-game sort for me most times

well maybe u should try thinking more about it.. please..

last time I tried to sort duck early it worked out poorly, as a result i'm not gonna do that

:/

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There's an easy wagon on Gamma.

Therefore, I do not want Gamma.

Im partial to this course of action but....

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VOTE COUNT 1.3

[5]

Gamma Emerald

: Beat, Aristeia, Meuh, Pavowski, SirCakez

[2]

Meuh

: Gamma Emerald, the worst

[1]

GuiltyLion

: skitter30

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skitter30

: Isis

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SirCakez

: GuiltyLion

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marcistar

: marcistar

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the worst

: Titus

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Not voting

: The Ugly Fruit

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-06-12 18:48:05)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• skitter30 and the worst are currently v/la.

• have fun!

Actually I misread the current wagoners

UNVOTE:

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I dont really see any reason Pav should be scumread at this point and it makes me wary of the motion in that direction.
VOTE: Meuh

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....

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Cakez has had quite a few AI moments this game. Im fairly confident they are town.

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Cakez has had quite a few AI moments this game. Im fairly confident they are town.

which ones? I do remember this point:

Unless Cakez is deliberatly faking so I think scum would be more likely to identify the gamestate. Cakez most likely green then

where I get the logic but it's not super indicative in my mind, I don't think forgetting or misunderstanding the gamestate in the first ~100 posts is something scum can never do

the only other mention of real mention of something specific he said in your ISO is this:

The Setup is designed around a Mafia lim always being more powerful than a town lim. Shooting for mafia every day is for the best

Ahh yes in Mafia we try to eliminate scum. Beat with the strats.

Dont like this taking the quote out of the relevant context.

but then he became Do Not Elim by 284?

what else am I missing that points to him being town?

The latter I later decided was AI as I imagined it came up in ISOing me which scum could do but I wouldnt expect it that early. They also have been fairly consistent all around and not manipulative in my opinion. They present their information in a manner that is more akin to sharing it with the group then saying we should act on it.

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Titus is very no nonsense which isnt necessarily AI but I find their ISO more green then red for reasons I can't quite place.

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I dont really have a lot of other posts that i particularly want to respond to, but some other things i wanted to mention:

- i find titus scummy
- i find the rise, and fall, of the gamma wagon to be quite interesting and perhaps scum-indicative of gamma. I'm also finding his content to be remarkably flat
- i am maybe getting over my gl sr
- meuh and marci are probably both town
- i dont really understand isis's scumread on me ....
- sundresses were cute
- i think cakez is town and i like his analysis/focus on the gamma wagon

VOTE: isis

Pedit yes sorry i'm bad at this 'catching up' thing >.>

Something about this post is offputting to me. Its perfectly fine at face value but feels kind of non commital and just gives me bad vibes

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I think my problem with it is that it feels like scum positioning themselves rather than sharing thoughts.

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Looking at VCs the overwhelming majority of the time Meuh is on the leading wagon. (or is the leading wagon)
My conclusion is that it isnt a good look for them

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I could sseee myself joining the Gamma wagon but will refrain for now. I think value can be found elsewhere

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I am apparently turning into a snake

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I’m not really getting the impression Isis v Skitter is a T/T situation tbh

If there’s scum there I’d lean towards Skitter at the moment

What makes you think this?

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Looking at VCs the overwhelming majority of the time Meuh is on the leading wagon. (or is the leading wagon)
My conclusion is that it isnt a good look for them

Why?

It gives the impression you are trying to play the majority/ are just bloodthirsty for a mislim.

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the way Beat chainsaw defended Pav after I placed my vote there,

Your push was bad and I pointed out it was bad. I see no problem there.
Pav is very tonally and strategically town and I still stand by that. That isn't why the push is bad, but its why I intervened.

Also unvoting an RVS vote when they get a huge wagon is scummy how?

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The camps are largely who would vote Cakey and who would vote Gamma. There's little overlap which strategically means one of those two should be the lim but it goes against my reads.

Why do you read Gamma as town?

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the way Beat chainsaw defended Pav after I placed my vote there,

Your push was bad and I pointed out it was bad. I see no problem there.
Pav is very tonally and strategically town and I still stand by that. That isn't why the push is bad, but its why I intervened.

Also unvoting an RVS vote when they get a huge wagon is scummy how?

It ties you to Gamma, who I find pretty scummy.

I mean you yourself mentioned that you unvoted so I dont see the point?

Plus that wagon of gamma was pretty weak at the time

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I do see my efforts are in vain pushing towards you so I'll fall back for now.
VOTE: Ari

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anyways, I think I want my vote here

VOTE: Beat

I'm not fully convinced re:Ari & Skitter because I have a lot of respect for their game, but my gut feeling is we may be in a world where all of Ari/skitter/Isis are town all paranoia fighting each other, and meanwhile Beat just kinda comes in and posts a quiet vote on Ari while taking a very fence-sitty opinion on Gamma. I get a sense Beat doesn't want to look too bad from a GE townflip. Also, a few of the ways she's justified her reads have felt made up and reachy to me - claiming that Cakez ISO'd her? (571), strong townread on Pav, the idea that Meuh is "bloodthirsty" 845, none of it feels genuine to me. Also I TR Titus and Meuh and think it's a pure wagon so far

p-edit: lmao yeah I was definitely more the snarky one first in that interaction w/ Ari haha

1. My ari scumread was addressed before the vote near start of day. It has grown since then.
2. I believe this is an accurate read on my position with the Gamma Wagon. I'm not convinced enough of GE being scum to vote there when we are so close to hammer. I also have other scumreads I'd like to address more. I am fence sitting on Gamma deliberately in a way (though i didnt think of it like this before)

(Additionally I dont think a GE flip gives us much info regardless of alignment)

3. I mean those would be hard to make up, no? I suppose its a moot point in either direction since surely I could find some way to townread people as scum that isn't as.. odd as I have this game. I guess it could also reasonably explained as scum motivated rather than the legitimate thoughts I am having about the game, though I'd argue that scum typically would only do that for scumreads.

I do like the attention given though from this post since the points are reasonable even if the conclusion is incorrect. Such is the burden of uncertainty

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You enjoying the game so far TUF?

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GE generally gives little interaction at least up until I voted marci compared to players like meuh or ari (my alternatives). You could argue it gives some info about me perhaps but thats not very appealing for me obviously

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Gonna be honest this is the first time ive really begun to ACTULLY engage with the game, Finals week is a bitch

Yeah finals can be rough.
What are your thoughts on everyone so far? Frivolous or strong, wrong or right it's nice to start putting your thoughts to paper.

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Gonna be honest this is the first time ive really begun to ACTULLY engage with the game, Finals week is a bitch

Yeah finals can be rough.
What are your thoughts on everyone so far? Frivolous or strong, right or wrong it's nice to start putting your thoughts to paper.

(fixed because it was bothering me)

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???

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VOTE COUNT 1.9

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Gamma Emerald

: SirCakez, marcistar, Aristeia

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SirCakez

: GuiltyLion, Gamma Emerald

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Beat

: Titus, Meuh

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Aristeia

: skitter30, Beat

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Meuh

: the worst

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skitter30

: The Ugly Fruit

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Not voting

: Pavowski, Isis

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-06-12 18:48:05)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• Pavowski and Gamma Emerald currently v/la.

• have fun!

AFAIK 0 people are voting TUF

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I did notice but none seappped to voting you TUF, also Gamma being a bit of a nothing burger is literally the reason there is a wagon on them rn.

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There is however some info from how other interact toward gamma but thats less useful on a potential scum flip.

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I did notice but none seappped to voting you TUF, also Gamma being a bit of a nothing burger is literally the reason there is a wagon on them rn.

There is however some info from how other interact toward gamma but thats less useful on a potential scum flip.

GE generally gives little interaction at least up

until I voted marci compared to players like meuh or ari (my alternatives). You could argue it gives some info about me perhaps but thats not very appealing for me obviously

this is just, uh, very different from how i'm viewing the game rn ...

pedit idk why so many people are voting you
we call that a wagon

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I mean I dont consider non engagement a scummy thing in general. And that point is supplementary anyway.

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I believe Ive made clear my main reason for not voting GE is I have stronger scumreads elsewhere

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TUF is genuine which either is an incredible awareness for scum or more likely is warranting a green PM.
TUF how much mafia experience have you had in the past? What kind of games did you play?

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I disagree that my other scumreads give more info but its tangential anyway. I'd like to stop talking about this at the moment.

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non engagement is absolutely a valid antispew tactic to take as mafia

Its also something commonly seen in town for many different reasons which is why I consider it mostly NAI especially during day 1.

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1. My ari scumread was addressed before the vote near start of day. It has grown since then.
2. I believe this is an accurate read on my position with the Gamma Wagon. I'm not convinced enough of GE being scum to vote there when we are so close to hammer. I also have other scumreads I'd like to address more. I am fence sitting on Gamma deliberately in a way (though i didnt think of it like this before)

(Additionally I dont think a GE flip gives us much info regardless of alignment)

My issue is more - if you don't think GE is a good flip and you're invested in an Ari scumread, why weren't you being more loud about it? 1051 isn't gonna motivate anyone to vote Ari, I'd expect town to be more vocal about steering the wagon away from Gamma if that's what you want. that's what I mean by "quiet", you were content to let a bunch of people argue with each other and Ari to hardpush Gamma while you just plopped a vote on her

it might be a playstyle thing because you've been kinda withdrawn throughout the whole game but especially at that particular juncture of the game it felt like you didn't actually care about the current momentum of Ari's Gamma push/wagon

I mean my input this game has largely been ignored/ not engaged with except as reason to scumread me which doesn't incentivize me to be anything other than be withdrawn.

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For when I'm dead since people dont seem to want to unvote
Ari/ Meuh scum
Gamma Probably town but im not sure, dont think this should be elimmed tomorrow
Marci probably scum but didnt feel worth it to mention today
TUF Cakez hard town
GL and Skitter Slight Town
Rest are town by numbers but dont have a super big TR on them.