Micro 1056: Moderators of the Discord Server [game over]

[Meuh]

Gooood morning Discord server!

RVS doesn’t seem like a thing (especially since I don’t think choices can be undone)
So I’m spiritually voting for Faker right now.

I think using some weird fast strategy would be the best way to get all the scum in a single channel but it still sounds tricky to do. I think we should take full advantage of this day, try our best to get scum all together and if it doesn’t work, we have a nice day 2 to play

[Meuh]

Actually maybe I should pick a channel right now, and the next person to check the thread should do the same. If we’re both moderators (which is statistically probable), we put the mafia in a tricky position…

Also the game flavour is great already!!

[Meuh]

If I were to pick a channel it’d probably be Stop Getting Banned…
Sillyposting sounds fun but also I don’t wanna carry the responsibility of being conf town in this setup

[Meuh]

If I were to pick a channel it’d probably be Stop Getting Banned…
Sillyposting sounds fun but also I don’t wanna carry the responsibility of being conf town in this setup

Wait oops I mixed them up…
Mafia Discussion I don’t wanna go in because I don’t want to have the responsibility of being conf town
Stop Getting Banned seems fine
Sillyposting sounds fun though, I wanna townie hunt

[Meuh]

I would prefer going to the game where we have to vote for a townie, which ever one that is

Sillyposting
I also wanna go there

[Meuh]

As a moderator, I shall be modkilling everyone else

Modkill: RH9
Modkill: Save the Dragons
Modkill: Faker
Modkill: PenguinPower
Modkill: Meuh
Modkill: marcistar
Modkill: PookyTheMagicalBear
Modkill: Dwlee99

Truly embodying the discord mod spirit <3

[Meuh]

I think so

[Meuh]

Luke why did you choose to roll scum…

[Meuh]

Marci just stole my own reasoning for picking a channel smh

[Meuh]

they got matching outfits and everything

You should match with us too… it’d be so cute!

[Meuh]

I wanna do sillyposting
Because I'm so silly

[Meuh]

Now I don’t wanna do sillyposting because I don’t wanna get stuck with Luke and Pooky

[Meuh]

Now I don’t wanna do sillyposting because I don’t wanna get stuck with Luke and Pooky

Rude

I feel like you two will go on pages long arguments and I want an excuse to not have to actually read you guys off of it

[Meuh]

I can go in mafia discussion I guess

[Meuh]

my solve literally arranging themselves into little groups its so cute

<3
Faker prob town also tbh

[Meuh]

i personally believe whoever locks in first without letting everyone else talk should get autoyeeted because its +++ scum win con to lock in without discussion

Ehh...
It's anti-town to lock in immediately, but that doesn't somehow make anyone automatically scum.

[Meuh]

I kind of have a dilemma with Mafia Discussion, cause I have a 50% chance of being clear which is nice since I feel like I'm a mislimmable player
But also I feel like I have below average reads and not particularly good leadership?...
So it feels very meh to go like anywhere

[Meuh]

Now I don’t wanna do sillyposting because I don’t wanna get stuck with Luke and Pooky

Rude

I feel like you two will go on pages long arguments and I want an excuse to not have to actually read you guys off of it

and yeah, I like playing with Marci but I have like 0 interest in reading her, I don't find it very fun.

So Mafia Discussion > Sillyposting >> SGB

I might just go into MD in not too long, maybe Sillyposting could also be fun though!

[Meuh]

Maybe I would be good in sillyposting
I have like a 50/50 rate of being obvtown or having most people scumread me and it makes deciding this significantly harder.

[Meuh]

Can I go to Mafia Discussion, then?

[Meuh]

I'd like to go in MD with you, Faker

My townread on you is like one of the only reads I do have this game so I'd like to be in the same server tbh

STD also has good vibes.

Although with the swip swapping around I'm not sure how best to approach forming a group?

Actually would it not be good to have a 3 townie channel? To restrict what the mafia can do with the swap at the very least.

[Meuh]

i want meuh to join sgb

if im right about m&m being s/s one of them has to get swapped out

You’re not
Which is why I wanna stack townies in MD.
Then scum has more limited options and day 2 becomes simpler

[Meuh]

I haven't seen Meuh's scumgame in awhile but 210 on the surface looks quite good IMO.

It's mostly tone which is probably not worth putting stock in, but the confidence is nice to see.

Have you even ever seen my scumgame? I don’t think you’ve played with scum!me before

[Meuh]

Ohhh that makes sense!
I think that scumgame I actually played pretty okay and then I slipped I was mason hunting and got flashwagoned
My more recent scumgame was more of a slow and tedious descent into a loss

[Meuh]

Pooky, do you realize that your reads are : Everyone who posted on page 1 is scum?

I noticed this too, but why does it matter at all

[Meuh]

Fun fact: Dragons/Faker/me are confirmed not to be the scumteam because if we were, we would win from the day end rule

Kinda surprised no one (especially RH9) thought of this? (Faker touched on the rule earlier but not this specific scenario iirc)
Like RH9 going into MD could’ve just let scum insta-win but luckily that’s not happening

Also because of this, the next channel choice should be the one for whoever goes into SGB, to make sure we can’t instalose

[Meuh]

meuh did you say where you wanted to go or do you want me to just pick

I want MD

[Meuh]

Fun fact: Dragons/Faker/me are confirmed not to be the scumteam because if we were, we would win from the day end rule

i'd love to see one of you choose a channel just to confirm that

I’d rather make you wait as long as possible to be scary
Day will end eventually, trust me!

[Meuh]

Oh. Okay.
Resolving MD first sounds best to me since it's the option that keeps the most townies in the game to drive discussion? But maybe there's more important factors at play. (I also want to resolve it first so I can focus elsewhere afterwards but that's too personal and specific to really matter)

[Meuh]

Tbh to me this swap makes me think that one of two things are true:
-Scum are just throwing Marci to the sharks because they don't think she's going to win her game either way and are aiming to win the other 2.
(MD being the best place to send her because Faker so spooky, and SGB too easy for scum)
-Marci is town and is being thrown here for an easy minigame win.

Pedit: So manyyy posts
Marci should be possible to solve with flips, yeah. So it may be better to end this game later?

Also not sure what to make of RH9 going into MD because I wanted Faker/me/Dragons there bc of town vibes.
I kind of got the impression scum were split evenly yesterday. Like the vibe I had EoD yesterday was that there was 1 scum in sillyposting, 1 scum in Marci/Dwlee, and because of that, RH9's quick choice to go into MD is iffy. I feel like scum would want to split evenly before the swap? Or is T/S as a swap ideal. Hmm. But also if they have that position they'd want to swap 2 townies right?? Wouldn't that be the better option?

Marci please try to solve

[Meuh]

You went from the easy game for scum -> even game.

Not sure how I feel about this? Like purely from looking at the setup, sure.
But there's people in those minigames. The scum team knows what minigames they have a good chance of winning and while the mechanics impact it, a game with less win% for scum in a purely mathematical sense doesn't mean that's what it actually is in practice.
Sillyposting could be the easiest scum win at the moment, purely off of the circumstances of the 3 people within it.
So acting like this is the what this switch means is a very closed off way to look at the game imo. It worked fine as an overview pregame or day 1, but at this point it's no longer that simple.

[Meuh]

This might sound bizarre but I think that the interactions between Dwlee and marci seem like they are aligned, possibly even scum together.
What does everybody else think?

i wanna know what made you think this.

im pretty sure at this point their push on me is partly in fact that theyre scum and partly fact they seem to hate me

Bruh what makes you think I hate you vs just think you're scum?

I don't really know why but this post feels good from Dwlee. hmm.
Also this does not feel partnered whatsoever.

Pedit: Fair enough

[Meuh]

if you ask me if new information changes my mind

i would tell you resoundingly

hell to the no

I know you've said this but like, does your hero solve being incorrect change anything at all to you?
Not even hurt your poor little Miltank heart, that you would accuse an innocent Discord moderator like me?
Or was I just a fun extra inclusion to your Marci and Lukewarm read? I'm legitmately curious as to what the thought process behind that whole solve was, even if half-joking.

Hope you get better Marci! <3

[Meuh]

Pooky if Marci and Lukewarm are scum together, why does that swap happen? To me it doesn't really feel like it'd work towards their agenda.

[Meuh]

Pooky if Marci and Lukewarm are scum together, why does that swap happen? To me it doesn't really feel like it'd work towards their agenda.

I mean they're screwed either way so they might as well go for maximum wifom

This feels absolutely terrible
Assuming scum are just doing whatever because they already lost the game on

day 1

is a massive stretch.
imo swapping Lukewarm into MD or even swapping Lukewarm with Marci makes more sense as something for that pair to do. Trying to get Luke and the third hacker to win their games sounds best and I don't see the swap really does that at all.

[Meuh]

Pooky if Marci and Lukewarm are scum together, why does that swap happen? To me it doesn't really feel like it'd work towards their agenda.

I mean they're screwed either way so they might as well go for maximum wifom

This feels absolutely terrible
Assuming scum are just doing whatever because they already lost the game on

day 1

is a massive stretch.
imo swapping Lukewarm into MD or even swapping Lukewarm with Marci makes more sense as something for that pair to do. Trying to get Luke and the third hacker to win their games sounds best and I don't see the swap really does that at all.

Okay maybe I'm too caught up on this but I'm still not over this post from Pooky, it seems so disinterested in actually thinking about the game.

[Meuh]

You have to be trolling. Absolutely disgusting interpretation.

ok fine

meuh what is faker's point?

I get the impression the point is “Hey Pooky, some major points you’re making about a confident scumread of yours have gotten strong responses that you haven’t even bothered to engage with or taken the time to really consider, wtf?”
If that’s what you’re asking because that’s a vague question

[Meuh]

Oh. fun

[Meuh]

I've been gradually refreshing, seeing more posts on the last 4 pages and just deciding not to read them because it sounded very unfun

Kinda just relieved that's over now

[Meuh]

can we just not this is pointless

[Meuh]

Dats is sleeping. It's going to be more than 5 minutes.

[Meuh]

At least SGB seems like an interesting minigame

[Meuh]

happy anime watching

[Meuh]

That sure was silly wasn't it?? (get it?) (it's clever)

As an aside, this flavour is fun, ty Datisi!

[Meuh]

i was worried RH9 was the mafia and dwlee was town but looking at the way pooky interacted with the two slots it seems reversed that dwlee is town whom pooky wasn't planning on spewing but did, and RH9 is mafia

? Am I misunderstanding this or did you misspeak?

[Meuh]

I'd rather resolve SGB.

If Meuh wants to resolve MD first there's a specific way to do it, which is to vote when you think the town player is online and the mafia one isn't. You have them confirm themselves then pull the vote; the coordination is so that the scum player does not self-hammer.

I don't really get this. What's the point of confirming one of you?
Do you want the townie to explicitly not vote and state so, so this townie can then help solve SGB?

I've been in that sort of situation of confirming townies by having them explicitly not vote (with Marci, Lukewarm and Catboi as it so happens ) but I'm not sure what's the point for it here.

[Meuh]

Also either way we lean on solving, I think we still shouldn't solve either for a good bit and get significant content from those in SGB.

[Meuh]

It feels somewhat safer because I trust Meuh more to make a good decision.

I appreciate the trust, though I'm not sure I'm that good at solving

Also
I don't think I should say much on SGB at the moment...?
If I do it feels easy for scum to take advantage of my stance to pull off the win. I'd rather others analyze the game more first.
If we had won Sillyposting it'd probably be fine for me to more extensively comment but since scum can afford a loss, this particularly scares me.

[Meuh]

before pooky was revealed

i thought dwlee was town and RH9 more likely to be a hacker

but after pooky was revealed

i thought the opposite because pooky's interaction with dwlee appears S/T and pooky's interaction with RH9 is non-existent (which makes sense for it to be S/S)

So you thought Dwlee was moderator at first and still do?
and you thought RH9 was hacker at first and still do?
How is this the opposite? Or am I still not getting it

[Meuh]

no wait

you know what

i fucked up

i don't remember who i thought more likely to be mafia

but i think that dwlee is possibly town and rh9 possibly mafia atm

Okay ty, that makes more sense!

[Meuh]

Meuh, who do you want eliminated the most from SGB?

Deliberately not answering this yet but will give input later. I still think being too clear on it means that the mafia in SGB can play in a specific way that takes into account. I want content from you 3 that isn't tempered by my own stance on the matter.
Plus I'll be around until the end of the game either way so there's no rush

[Meuh]

Will properly catch up and poke around at some point in not too long (might not be tonight)

[Meuh]

Uhhhh

[Meuh]

There's also just very little point to buddying a town RH9 all the way over in SGB. If my gameplan is to buddy and exploit RH9, I just keep RH9 in MD and clear him. Instead I rolled the dice that Meuh doesn't spiritually connect with her friend for some tonal/meta reason that I will have no clue how to dislodge.

hmm.

[Meuh]

Guess what's concerning about it

[Meuh]

Fair, I won't ever

not

get a bit freaked out by that, though.

[Meuh]

Properly reading the stuff I missed, sorry I was busy eating dried cranberries. (Solid snack! I recommend it)

[Meuh]

My point here with the above two posts isn't that marcistar needs to or should listen to me. From her point of view I'm scum and obviously shouldn't.

She was willing to go toe-to-toe with me when it was tonal blitzing, but when it comes to substantive holes or inconsistencies, she's nervous. What I just pointed out isn't a big deal at all and honestly isn't even that scum indicative. I think her discomfort in the engagements show a lot more.

I gave this time to let it become apparent: The nail in the coffin imo is the complete lack of care about being on the verge of defeat. Town has lost one minigame, and there's neither indignant fire or flailing despair. She's frozen but knows the game isn't over if she gets voted out, and that there exists a safety net of another partner in a scumsided game to pull the win out if she fails.

I find this argument pretty compelling.

Sidenote but I'm curious who would put Marci in the same game as me. I don't think speculating about it would do much but it's interesting. Feels like a risky gamble to make, because my Marci reading skills are no more consistent than a slot machine

[Meuh]

I'm also kind of curious if Dragons has any questions for myself and marcistar.

Don't get me wrong-I'm happy to see you giving content in SGB.

...But is it really okay for you to leave me to run unchecked in MD?

This post is kind of ???
Can't quite put my finger on it but I find it odd.

[Meuh]

Honestly, I agree with Dwlee that we should resolve MD next.
It feels somewhat safer because I trust Meuh more to make a good decision.

Tracking through your posts, you think marcistar is the scum in this minigame. 277 seems to be your best statement of it: It's all related to earlygame with Dwlee99 and her initial votelock on SGB.

Has your read on this game evolved as we've continued to play? You also haven't ventured a read on me at all, which I find pretty surprising.

Yeah. My read has evolved. I've been starting to reconsider my read on Dwlee. In a vacuum, they actually seem all right though a bit non-committal as seen in 253.
However, this conflicts with my read on STD, who reads as wrongly tunnelled Town as in his latest stream of posts.
Especially, the amount of insight that he has put in. If I had to bet for scum out of my minigame, I would be forced to say Dwlee despite improvements in my read of them.

What's non-committal about it? Them saying Pooky could also be the cat? That felt more jokey than anything. I'd like an expansion of the thought here.

[Meuh]

Meuh, who do you want eliminated the most from SGB?
Same goes for Faker and marci.
I want to see your reads because it could potentially impact my decision if we are to resolve SGB after MD.

I'd lean Dragons, though that's more from comparison to you and Dwlee. I've liked seeing your thought processes and I don't recall seeing Dwlee and Pooky as S/S. I'm not feeling too strongly about it at the moment, though.

[Meuh]

It happened because I reined in the wild horses and prevented Lukewarm from rapidvoting Penguin who hadn't posted, only to have him rapid-vote Pooky instead.

oh so u pushed towards the scum wincon!!! lovely

...This doesn't feel like town Marci. This reads more like scum!Marci trying to fake a read than anything else. Though I do think that because of her and Faker knowing the other's alignment, she'd read less natural?
But also I feel like Marci would've made her thought process regarding her approach to Faker more transparent as town. So I dunno.

[Meuh]

i also worry that marcistar is LHF and it's faker but i don't have anything concrete on that yet. let me see if i can come up with something, it was just a vibe about a post faker made

My point here with the above two posts isn't that marcistar needs to or should listen to me. From her point of view I'm scum and obviously shouldn't.

She was willing to go toe-to-toe with me when it was tonal blitzing, but when it comes to substantive holes or inconsistencies, she's nervous. What I just pointed out isn't a big deal at all and honestly isn't even that scum indicative. I think her discomfort in the engagements show a lot more.

I gave this time to let it become apparent: The nail in the coffin imo is the complete lack of care about being on the verge of defeat. Town has lost one minigame, and there's neither indignant fire or flailing despair. She's frozen but knows the game isn't over if she gets voted out, and that there exists a safety net of another partner in a scumsided game to pull the win out if she fails.

i think it was this one, it looks a bit performative

i'll try to see if i can come up with some questions for marcistar and faker soon

if faker is scum her engagement of pooky had to have been theatre as well. which is a hard pill to swallow. so maybe it is marci.

Hmm this string of posts from Dragons is good, though. Feels pretty genuine and like it has real progression. Maybe it's someone else.

[Meuh]

if faker is scum her engagement of pooky had to have been theatre as well. which is a hard pill to swallow. so maybe it is marci.

This is incongruent with you casting my interactions with Pooky as theater

Ehhhh don't know about this one. Dwlee's vibes here are not vibey.

[Meuh]

Like Dwlee's posting on like page 29 is just asking questions that simultaneously throw a bit of shade at people. Can't say I particularly feel good about that.

[Meuh]

By the way, what does everybody think of a Pooky-marci-Dwlee team?
I'm leaning there right now.

Why was Pooky in here?

From my PoE.
I TRed Luke and Penguin, leaving behind him.

Posts like these I feel slightly iffy about but I think it's more a posting style thing than an actual scummy thing. Hard to put into words but it feels a bit unnatural.

[Meuh]

what do you think of dwlee pooky interactions, meuh

Tbh I kinda liked them, I specifically remember the pocket thing looking good. But like Dwlee engaging with theater with their partner early on in the game? Would not be the first time I've seen it happen.
I have one game specifically in mind. Marci was also in this game so @Marci, what do you think about the DkKoba/Dwlee interactions in this game https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89094 comparatively to the way Dwlee has interacted with Pooky this game? Especially since you seem to think Dwlee is scum.
I don't the interactions are exactly the same but to me it feels like it could be a repeat of them putting a lot of effort into having convincing, good interactions with their partner.

[Meuh]

If I was scum why would I swap you out of my game?

cuz ill keep tunneling on u obv

i still think rh9 is thinking of things backwards,

clearly faker is just egging them on.

This doesn't even sound like you believe the second sentence

how??? ur just making shit up at this point tbhs

this game is so boring with faker being so obviously scum

Marci do you think you'd be better at swaying the third person in your minigame than Dwlee would be?

and do you actually think Faker is obv scum, or is she only obv scum to you?

[Meuh]

@RH9 so you scumread Pooky because Luke said so?

Yeah.
You got me.
It was mainly because of that.

Kind of like this and the general thought process on the Penguin read RH9 had on this page.

[Meuh]

The current plan is also to flip MD first, so even if I'm trying to steer RH9 away from scumreading my partner in SGB, it all goes out the window when my alignment gets confirmed before any SGB votes happen. There's literally zero point in buddying anyone in that minigame, the only person I have to convince is Meuh.

That's so true.
Any attempt you and marci try to make to sway anybody in SGB, the more interactions we have to use after you flip.
This makes any swaying attempts awkward especially since it could backfire.

I'd agree with this if we weren't already a game down. Scum are much more likely to delve into potentially associative - but credible - play to secure a win somewhere since that's all they need. There might not be an "after you flip", which is scary but something to consider.

Though I guess with the idea of us flipping MD first that makes sense. So mostly nvm

[Meuh]

ever since sillyposting ended, shes been focusing mainly on interacting with you

(RH9)

, and making sure you feel like your thoughts are heard, while shooting down anything that might be a valid thoughtprocess. thats pretty buddying behavior IMO. I can get examples if you still dont believe me but theres alot of them :shrug:

Do you think that may also just be since those 2 had the biggest thread presence? Cause I've seen them interact plenty yes, but also they were the only ones posting so...

[Meuh]

There's also just very little point to buddying a town RH9 all the way over in SGB. If my gameplan is to buddy and exploit RH9, I just keep RH9 in MD and clear him. Instead I rolled the dice that Meuh doesn't spiritually connect with her friend for some tonal/meta reason that I will have no clue how to dislodge.

The current plan is also to flip MD first, so even if I'm trying to steer RH9 away from scumreading my partner in SGB, it all goes out the window when my alignment gets confirmed before any SGB votes happen. There's literally zero point in buddying anyone in that minigame, the only person I have to convince is Meuh.

Really? I feel like its a valid strategy for you to be setting up a buddying system thingy with rh9 incase you lose this minigame. It'll make him look worse after your flip, and help your partner in stop getting banned win that minigame.

Why exactly would it make RH9 look worse? If she's the one pocketing RH9 wouldn't it be the opposite?

[Meuh]

Marci is pretty obviously scum imo. It's not beyond Pooky to egg on town trying to kill his partner, he literally got his partner vigged before, and Marci's play is full of inconsistent reasonings with weirdly placed AtE

Do you really believe this Dwlee? Is that a conclusion you've come to naturally?

[Meuh]

my mind is saying one thing but my gut is saying another

Make them fight, winner gets to choose.

[Meuh]

Officially caught up, youpi!

[Meuh]

@Marci, what do you think about the DkKoba/Dwlee interactions in this game https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89094 comparatively to the way Dwlee has interacted with Pooky this game? Especially since you seem to think Dwlee is scum.
I don't the interactions are exactly the same but to me it feels like it could be a repeat of them putting a lot of effort into having convincing, good interactions with their partner.

ill be honest chief, i kinda dont remember that game at all, and i kinda lowkey dont wanna meta read. i lowkey dont even remember why i got replaced out
was dkkoba actually scum LOL I THOUGHT THEY WERE TOWN..
maybe ill read it deeper tmmrw, but on a skim it looks diff from pooky/dwlee here

Wait you got replaced out of that game? I didn't even remember

[Meuh]

I'm feeling Dwlee!scum at this point tbh

[Meuh]

Marci is pretty obviously scum imo. It's not beyond Pooky to egg on town trying to kill his partner, he literally got his partner vigged before, and Marci's play is full of inconsistent reasonings with weirdly placed AtE

bitch stfu ur the one whos obv scum ur not even doing shit except tunnel me and then u think u can CONVINCE people im scum??? ive got to laugh im so very obviously not scum and i dont get why u have to be blind xx

This has partner vibes to me I don't know
Marci's scumread on Dwlee's weird to me

[Meuh]

Like they're both tunneled on the other since the very start
and with a scum win already it feels easy for them to go into max distance mode to look like S/T, and then they just always win here

But also stuff like 267 I have a hard time believing comes from a scum pair so hmm

[Meuh]

But then also they pushed each other from day 1, right? That makes less sense because Pooky getting to win sillyposting seemed unlikely at the time right?
So they wouldn't be planning that S/T stuff

[Meuh]

could be faker and dwlee i think that's where i'm at atm

I think it might be it, Faker's stance regarding Dwlee is kinda iffy to me

imo Dwlee flips scum either way though so it'd still be tricky to solve MD with a red Dwlee flip

[Meuh]

It's kinda cool how my little notice thing and then prism notices the deeper thing etc. but beyond the cool prism is actually solving to notice that

Are you talking about Faker's response the RH9 tmi thing you pointed out?

[Meuh]

wtf dwlee how you going to pick a place alrdy

If you loved me you'd help me kill Marci

I'm tempted to join just to help you yeet this Canadian but my talents might be needed elsewhere

I kinda want you to play conftown or 1v1 so I can read it after

This back/forth is interesting. Maybe this is Dwlee99 and Pooky is being cheeky, but what they're discussing would be scum autoloss.

Hmm that actually does look pretty unlikely to be partnered.

[Meuh]

I also still think this is a weird interaction for S/S theater.

This might sound bizarre but I think that the interactions between Dwlee and marci seem like they are aligned, possibly even scum together.
What does everybody else think?

i wanna know what made you think this.

im pretty sure at this point their push on me is partly in fact that theyre scum and partly fact they seem to hate me

Bruh what makes you think I hate you vs just think you're scum?

?? I don't see how your plays around me this game are town motivated

also ive felt like u hate me for awhile but ive just never pointed it out. to me its pretty obvious, you always find a way to come after me no matter what anyone else tells you.
idk what i ever did to you

I think you're scum. I am pushing you. I think it's straight forward.

On the personal note I definitely don't hate you or even dislike you. I enjoy playing with you. I don't really even remember particularly pushing you in the past but my memory isn't great? If I scumread you a lot repeatedly it was probably just that I scumread your playstyle and not about you personally at all

But maybe Meuh has better insight into how marcistar plays cards like this

Yeah I pointed that one out earlier as a counter-point to my own thoughts that Marci/Dwlee could be the team.
I'm not sure Marci really delves into the territory of someone personally disliking her if they're her partner?
Like I could see Marci say this as either alignment but I don't see Marci doing this as S/S. Not impossible, but pretty unlikely.

[Meuh]

Pooky/Marci/Dwlee is definitely a team you need to jump through a lot of hoops to make sense of, vs like any other team.

What makes me conflicted about Marci is that her being scum and getting swapped into here with Pooky as a partner is kinda ???

Scum were set to lose Sillyposting and throwing Marci in here is fairly likely to lead to a second loss so I'm not sure it really makes sense for them to do it.
Unless they were like "Meuh is conflicted enough on Marci that it's our only chance" which while that isn't ridiculous, I also don't find too likely.
I feel like they'd rather swap Pooky with scum somewhere else to secure a win that way, than to cross their fingers it works out for Marci. Unless there were 2 scum in SGB, and they literally couldn't.
So I think Marci!scum indicates RH9!town purely off of the swap and Pooky's alignment. Does that make any sense? imo in a theoretical RH9/Pooky/Marci world, Marci just gets thrown into Sillyposting over Pooky and scum try to win that way.

But for her personal level idk if I really buy Marci's reads, I think there's more significant hints of solving when she is town.

[Meuh]

What makes Sillyposting getting resolved early particularly frustrating is that because Pooky flipped scum, we now have to deal with a team that only needs to win one more game to win the whole thing.
It makes them a lot more flexible and that makes tracking them down tougher. Associatives with Pooky are nice to have at least. However, associatives between any 2 players still alive are kinda tricky to rely on.

[Meuh]

I dunno about STD. His day 1 looked very good imo, but faking good tone on day 1 likely isn't too tall of a task for scum.

[Meuh]

I dunno about STD. His day 1 looked very good imo, but faking good tone on day 1 likely isn't too tall of a task for scum.

i like his posts today phase decently well.

do they actully seem not good to ypu?

They're still fine iirc but not as tonally good as day 1 was imo

[Meuh]

ive never seen meuh hammer without reason

i think ur just trying to fake concern

Dunno about this point
Here are the upside and downside for (town) Faker to not vote for you

Upside: Presents the opportunity for Faker to be confirmed without leaving the game
Downside: Non-existent

Like even if she thinks I won't hammer, why vote?

[Meuh]

tbh shes prob more likely to take alot of time to think since she got confirmed towned

its prob a big burden on her

True, especially since I'm still recovering from carrying the town in Eurybia, my back hurts

[Meuh]

not necessarily. i don't have a good memory so I don't remember dwlees scumgame at all.

i just think in general, scum don't like attention drawn to them.
is that not something that lines up with what dwlees doing right now? only posting when they

need

to? : D

STD's doing that too now and you don't have him as Mafia.
He's drawing way less attention than Dwlee who posts every once in a while with something super bound to get attention.
Honestly, STD's way more better than Dwlee at not standing out and getting noticed.
Nothing personal.

I was about to say the same thing… stop stealing my ideas RH9

[Meuh]

I want to vote soon, but first I’d like STD to chime in on what should be done in MD.

[Meuh]

and sorry for not being around yesterday, I’m a bit sick

[Meuh]

Who do you think makes most sense as a partner for RH9?

[Meuh]

I mean like

in Faker/Marci

[Meuh]

I'm just gonna vote, anything less than 2 and a half days would be bad

[Meuh]

Why unvote, to potentially catch you?

[Meuh]

Right, let's do it then

[Meuh]

That would be funny...

VOTE: Marci
I'm sorry

[Meuh]

AAAAAHHHH YES
UNVOTE:

[Meuh]

Yay, no problem!

[Meuh]

I forgot you were retiring

[Meuh]

and yes we've got this!! Just one more scum to track down

[Meuh]

Anyway that was just my slow-thinking, chewing on the game over time conclusion. I'll try to actually get into the nitty gritty soon.

For now I think this quote is very relevant and worth bringing back up. Now that marcistar is confirmed scum, this interaction should be more useful to someone else.

Silver bullet selling points [on Dwlee99 town] for me are 83 and 93 from marci in reaction to a point of Dwlee's. They're immediately defensive, then pivot towards the more aggressive. I think there's very good reason to believe this set in particular isn't S/S theater: Having locked in, Dwlee99 was confirmed to be going against her at this point.

I'd again be pleasantly surprised if this is S/S.

Yeah, I know I brought it up earlier but I find Marci/Dwlee as a team very unlikely, so they're probably not the correct lim here.

[Meuh]

Hi HEM!!

[Meuh]

Faker, we've played before?

Faker is a Prism alt!

[Meuh]

why am I in stopped getting banned? do i think there's scum in std and dwlee? i'm supposed to stop scum from forming right

To catch you up:

Lukewarm, Penguin and Pooky were in sillyposting, which scum (Pooky) successfully won.
I'm conf town in MD and Marci/Faker are the unconfirmeds.
However Faker was hammer tested and she is confirmed town, so functionally the game is 1-1 for town and scum.

Now we need to find the scum in stop getting banned between you, STD and Dwlee.

[Meuh]

@HEM
To clarify, after scum had already won Sillyposting, I placed a vote on Marci. Faker didn't vote for Marci and therefore is town (if she was scum, she could've ended the game by voting Marci). This also makes Marci scum.

[Meuh]

I dunno about STD. His day 1 looked very good imo, but faking good tone on day 1 likely isn't too tall of a task for scum.

i like his posts today phase decently well.

do they actully seem not good to ypu?

Tbh this doesn't feel like the way Marci talks about her partner

[Meuh]

This might sound bizarre but I think that the interactions between Dwlee and marci seem like they are aligned, possibly even scum together.
What does everybody else think?

i wanna know what made you think this.

im pretty sure at this point their push on me is partly in fact that theyre scum and partly fact they seem to hate me

Bruh what makes you think I hate you vs just think you're scum?

?? I don't see how your plays around me this game are town motivated

also ive felt like u hate me for awhile but ive just never pointed it out. to me its pretty obvious, you always find a way to come after me no matter what anyone else tells you.
idk what i ever did to you

I think you're scum. I am pushing you. I think it's straight forward.

On the personal note I definitely don't hate you or even dislike you. I enjoy playing with you. I don't really even remember particularly pushing you in the past but my memory isn't great? If I scumread you a lot repeatedly it was probably just that I scumread your playstyle and not about you personally at all

To me interactions like these seem hard to fake between partners. So it makes that team feel more iffy.

However looking at Dwlee/Marci's day 1 more broadly:
Do I see Dwlee act like this towards their partner early? Yeah
and do I see Marci interact like this towards her partner early? Also yeah
So that might just be it.
Like I said before it feels like a team you need to jump through a lot of hoops to make sense of, but that may be the point in the first place.

[Meuh]

wdym you thought i already knew

I think that that was a faked dumb tell, and that you are scum.

I also am acutely aware that you "accidentally " locked yourself into the option that is easiest for scum to win and hardest for town to win.

And I would expect you to gravitate for the easier option for your alignment

i dont wanna play as confirmed town; i always think thats so boring
and the other one i think ill mix up what we've gotta do often

But it looks like you were doing an "oops" thing and now I want to vote you out

Hmm.

[Meuh]

Dwlee99, I'm curious about what you think of the marcistar interactions with RH9. My actual concern is that at a certain point she had phoned in the minigame and seemed to be making these half-defenses in the hopes of making him look bad.

Tinfoil? Probably.

1114 yeah these are the same vibes I got from this post.

[Meuh]

Dwlee99, I'm curious about what you think of the marcistar interactions with RH9. My actual concern is that at a certain point she had phoned in the minigame and seemed to be making these half-defenses in the hopes of making him look bad.

Tinfoil? Probably.

1114 yeah these are the same vibes I got from this post.

Wait I misread RH9 as STD, that's what I get for posting right after waking up
Ignore that post

[Meuh]

858 I don't think comes from Marci partnered with Dwlee
I'm also willing to narrow it down to HEM/STD

[Meuh]

Meuh I'm sure you know but just to remind both of us we do need to kick me out at some point.

Ready to vote Marci anytime

[Meuh]

svae the dragons u seriously have no preference?

I think it's noteworthy that this post (and the few following it) are Marci's only direct interactions with Dragons from what I can see, while she more extensively interacted with Dwlee and RH9. I'm not sure what to make of it though, idk if Marci would throw her partner aside in that wat

[Meuh]

idk if Marci would throw her partner aside in that way

EBWOP

[Meuh]

Uhhh we have 13 hours left
Dwlee/HEM/STD please vote soon, if we lose on time I'll cry

[Meuh]

Marci stop

[Meuh]

8 hours

VOTE: Marci

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

This might sound bizarre but I think that the interactions between Dwlee and marci seem like they are aligned, possibly even scum together.
What does everybody else think?

By the way, the swap reinforced my reads.
I think that Dwlee was distancing from marci during D1 so that when they were apart and marci flipped red, scum could use this flip to make STD misvote.

By the way, what does everybody think of a Pooky-marci-Dwlee team?
I'm leaning there right now.

RH9 was spot on, wow.

[Meuh]

Alarm bells were ringing in the back of my head when I brought up my suspicions of Dwlee/Pooky to Marci and she got so dismissive of it ughhh should've listened to that

I'm going to comfort myself by saying that STD probably wasn't gonna show up before the deadline anyways

I need to work on my town leader game, I've been on the defensive in most games for a bit, universal townread/conf town Meuh needs to learn to play well again!

[Meuh]

Mhmm well played to you 3!

[Meuh]

Thanks for modding Datisi!! Flavour was fun