Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

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HEAL: NotAHecticAlt

RR, what are you addressing?

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oh nvm I see now lmao

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I have no idea who I'd want as a leader just looking at the player list. From what I'd guess though, we want to elect consensus town reads who are also good at reading others, since it looks like we'll have to rely on them to make choices in future events.

so where's your vote for me?

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I have no idea who I'd want as a leader just looking at the player list. From what I'd guess though, we want to elect consensus town reads who are also good at reading others, since it looks like we'll have to rely on them to make choices in future events.

so where's your vote for me?

I don't know you.

It’s not Hectic’s alt. What more do you need to know?

idk why but TOWN

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oh rofl i just read the rules and you cant self heal lame

HEAL: PenguinPower

I'd also like myself to be healed as I tend to thrive with control over stuff in games like this.

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vrej

why did you heal roden/CSF over PP btw?

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because i felt they had the towniest entrance

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also theyre a mod so clearly theyre already well suited in positions of power

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moreso the frivolous attitude towards choosing a leader feels agendaless

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NotHectic why do you want control or why do you want Peng to have control?

Because i know I am town and i tend to take these kinds of mech things seriously + my top townread is penguin rn so if i cant have it i might as well push a townread in atp.

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Ejj/loki are 2 scumleans

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ejj mostly feels like theyve identified me as that annoying townie that wont be easy to kill and will be a threat so preemptively shading me to not be leader is a way to shade me and not allow me in the spot.

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ejj who are your candidates for leader?

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HEAL: Andante

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ejj is andante scum or town to you

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If we are concerned about Andante being leader (I haven't played with her before) that is fair enough and we can think about "leader-ing" someone else, but FWIW I think I agree with Loki's idea of trying to heal town. After all, one of the only pieces of moderator-confirmed information we have is that a town leader should be good for the town. Doing anything other than healing townreads seems equal to acting on the basis of setup speculation, and IMO would require slightly stronger justification than what we've seen so far. (P-EDIT: since I've started writing this I see this has been discussed and people mostly seem to agree with me, but eh, not gonna throw away what I've already written.)

Also, if we are concerned about putting too much power in the hands of one person there might be ways to mitigate that? For example, we could ask whoever we elect as leader to pre-commit to keeping other's votes into account. For example, if 'leader' = dayvig, we can ask them to just shoot a consensus elim. If 'leader' = can determine the pool of elims on the next day, we can ask them to put people we all suspect in the elim pool, and so on. Of course, this may not work if the leader is some sort of night-acting role.

@ejjinami

64 - if later you think of anything I can do to make your experience of playing with me better let me know, regardless of my alignment I'd like you to have a good experience in this game. But it's also ok if I just ping you and you can't explain why.

I see some discussion of my playstyle. While I'm not sure it's amazing for gamestate to get hung up on the three posts I've made so far, I also feel the urge to explain myself, so gonna stick it in a spoiler tag:

Spoiler: spoiler

she seems to be showing similar practice to me in her read formation, in a way that make me feel like she's town
I tend to also form reads pretty spontaneously as town, and the justification can be rather slim

[...]
Oh I missed that. Why are you getting bad vibes from them?

Frankly, probably just their playstyle(TLDR: possibly NAI)
The way they gave someone a town-read and asked “how likely they are to deceive her as scum” – pinged me as slightly lamist. The question makes little sense so early in the game, especially near a town-read based on 1 post
I’m not exactly treating it seriously tho
It could very easily be a playstyle clash
Or just a question to get the game started
tbh I feel kinda stupid even talking about it that much
just ignore it, I'll get stronger reads eventually

I think I rely on tone a little more than most players, so I suppose it can feel like my reads are out of nowhere to an outside observer. My internal experience is nothing like that: I can spend a fairly long time re-reading posts, trying to gauge tone, and generally agonising over which way the balance of evidence points.

The "how likely are you to deceive me as scum" question is partly an attempt to get the game started, yeah. Sometimes I like to come off slightly stronger than warranted to see how people respond.

Also, UNVOTE: , things are getting serious and I'm not ready for a serious heal yet.

this is towny af

my current leader pool is:
[myself, Aisa, Andante, Penguin]

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im getting scumpings from FB in the sense he feels like Squid Game here

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but there's 1 tiny detail thats making me hesitant on that read which I'll keep to myself for now :3

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Loki's interest in being on Andante's good side, knowing how Andante tends to play, comes off as a scum pocket in the sense that they're trying to look good by giving andante leader ? this is like strictly a preflip off seeing andante as town and noticing how loki is treating Andante, as matter of fact town who has good reads and not separate from that, if that makes sense.

ejj feels LAMISTy in like a subtle way too


so rn like preliminary scumpool is [FB/ejj/Loki] for independent reasons.

gamma/CSF had weird entrances too

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blah why does no one feel towny

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oh roden/fidget prob town i forgot lmao

i would probably leader the latter moreso tho

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ok i have 5 town including myself im somewhat confident in im gaming now

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does anyone have any issue with a pairing of Penguin - Andante for team leaders btw?

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does anyone have any issue with a pairing of Penguin - Andante for team leaders btw?

bc if so, feel free to file the issue here:

Spoiler:

(also im doing this for a reason so bear with me)

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also i just thought of it but we should maybe plan on being potentially pulled into PTs and doing a minigame that requires some level of coordination that scum may have.

we should definitely think of planning ahead and guessing if such a minigame exists so we know what we will choose in the case of something like a secret vote or something like that

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in Pooky's squid game, pooky had 1 game be a secret vote so thats why i just thought of it and we should game the setup so pooky cant do such evils things to us :3

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so in essence: choose a pool of players we'd want to kill if we had to do a vote and ranked before the next stage, that way we don't fuck ourselves over.
i myself am pro killing in ejj/loki/FB or a low/non poster

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we can use hurt tags to vote on that

HURT: ejj
HURT: loki
HURT: Firebringer

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hectic u werent in squid game were u

my username is not a lie

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we can use hurt tags to vote on that

HURT: ejj
HURT: loki
HURT: Firebringer

Oh and what’s weird about Gamma’s and CFS’ entrances?

And still trying to decide if you’re town and your ability to read me hasn’t improved since Anything uPick or you’re scum tunneling me similarly to what you did in Witch Hunt.

Oh and pro top, it’s completely pointless to use hurt tags unless it’s literally to remove a previous heal.

they were tonally awkward.

and you are the likliest of my 3 scumreads to move up so i wouldnt worry too much if you're town.

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oh lmao i just realized i kinda did overhype the penguin townread and internally made it stronger than it should be

regardless im fine with my heal there as i think the controversy around it spews penguin town :3

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if u dont want penguin leader, voting for me is literally right there

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loki frozen and crying in scumchat

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My core value in life and the only one that translates over to mafia is to hold tight the characteristics that make me an individual and not forgo them for anything. I understand you are worried that I will get eliminated, however that is not enough for me to change my talking style for you. Not strictly relevant, but people have been trying to change me my entire life and I have always maintained my values and manner of speaking through the deepest of pressure. I'm not saying I am triggered but being asked to adapt my style of speaking to suit a vague and abstract ideal personality doesn't sit right with me. I'm not blaming you, I'm just offering my perspective, it is not my intent to tear apart my innate values as a person in what should be my favourite past-time and a way to blow off steam. I hope these comments do not come off as antagonistic and I wish you the longest of days.

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its an extreme reaction to me shitposting to gauge your reaction and you passed

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believe it or not im not actually informed of your alignment and need to sort to figure it out.

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and you passed

Did I?

better luck next time

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My core value in life and the only one that translates over to mafia is to hold tight the characteristics that make me an individual and not forgo them for anything. I understand you are worried that I will get eliminated, however that is not enough for me to change my talking style for you. Not strictly relevant, but people have been trying to change me my entire life and I have always maintained my values and manner of speaking through the deepest of pressure. I'm not saying I am triggered but being asked to adapt my style of speaking to suit a vague and abstract ideal personality doesn't sit right with me. I'm not blaming you, I'm just offering my perspective, it is not my intent to tear apart my innate values as a person in what should be my favourite past-time and a way to blow off steam. I hope these comments do not come off as antagonistic and I wish you the longest of days.

Wtf????

Who and what is this even about or directed to and why do keep ignoring my questions?

its an extreme reaction to me shitposting to gauge your reaction and you passed

believe it or not im not actually informed of your alignment and need to sort to figure it out.

So you’re tr me now? Well that is definitely different from WH. I still don’t understand most of your reads. I’ve only played one game with scum!you. How do I know this isn’t a pocket?

well you dont because i am good enough as scum to have likely faked what ive done this far but some good faith goes a long way on day 1

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also that long post was a copypasta from a fun player in datisi's champs game lmfao

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im not even trying to be townread ..? im trying to be leader, yes, but im overall trying to hardsolve the game d1 because im like always n1d as town nowadays

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ok ill spill why i want to be leader so bad - because i believe that leader gets nightkill immunity likely and id like that for myself.

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and also thus why im pushing it onto the people i townread most if i cant have it

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like im doing a pretty shit job of getting townread by putting myself out there in a way that gives me negative attention and all lmao

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I feel emotionally burned out despite having done literally nothing lol

Mafia

Agree with FB that Andante might be someone scum votes up early (I am not saying that I disagree with Andante as leader, I don't see any issue, but FB saying that he would probably try to WK and maybe take advantage of a tunnel is definitely something i see scum pouncing on. Plus, Andante's so likable i dont think anyone would mind.)

so in essence: choose a pool of players we'd want to kill if we had to do a vote and ranked before the next stage, that way we don't fuck ourselves over.
i myself am pro killing in ejj/loki/FB or a low/non poster

we can use hurt tags to vote on that

HURT: ejj
HURT: loki
HURT: Firebringer

Don't you think this is overkill at this stage? Why're you so eager this game, Not Not NotHectic?

i have not played a game of mafia in about a month, and I'm addicted

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gamma played in my previous game on this account and I was outted that game so yeah.

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pooky and hosting games where I cant actually vote people name a worse duo

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imagine they both just get stumped

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I think the leader gets to go back in time and kill Pooky before he hosts this game

any thoughts about the game?

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RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

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which posts are lamisty

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No I literally naturally post a lot, I've had the top post count since I entered thread.

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I think maybe you are not reading my posts if you think im not trying to hard solve when I have reads on every player

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RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

forgive me for being blunt, accusing people for doubtful reasons at best won’t accomplish much at this point
You wrote that read without thinking much, possibly a response to a scum-read on you.
Possibly as a way to maintain the leader-persona
please, quit it.
it just makes you appear unpredictable. It would be good to have some way to determine whether you seriously think of scum-reading someone or it’s just a reaction-test

dont we all hedge. i mean ur hedging on me.
I am hedging on a secret coin flip on a few players.

Hedging keeps the game turning

bleh
forced
Give me the result tho

The point was they made a scumread by dressing it up as a maybe townread - I dont think this kind of "testing the waters" is towny and frankly, looks outing to me.

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HURT: Penguin
HEAL: ejj

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it depends on if they own a waffle maker or a pair of hedge trimmers

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oh fuck im at 56 posts

pooky you are evil

I'm going to take like a 24 hour break rn

my 2 heals are my biggest endorsements for leader atp, i may change andante at some point but I dont see a viable candidate. I myself dont care about things like personality for this and strictly only care about towniness. I heavily doubt pooky would give leaders the ability to completely screw over the game - in squid game they had impact but it wasn't *bad*, for example.

I'm not explaining ejj at this time - I realize I flipped my read there and I want to see how the gamestate adjusts to that shift.

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HURT: Penguin
HEAL: ejj

That’s a 180 degree switch up? Especially on Penguin.

makes sense but ur going to have to point out why and how ur certain on someone isn't a waffler vs hedger

Waffling tends to occur in different posts with usually a logical timegap betweeh those changed reads. Hedging can either occur in the same post or subsequent posts that progressionwise don’t make much sense.

So for example, waffling: I have a strong town or sr on a player and then either new information or a new assessment makes me switch that read. The read changes but the logical progression behind it makes sense.

Hedging is more like you look like you’re making an actual read but failing to commit to it. It’s a way to make it easy to at some point out of nowhere flip your read on a player, since you’ve already laid the groundwork for having either kind of read on them. If you make a read where you outline points for where they can be either alignment, you don’t need to account for your read change.

It’s not black and white but it’s far easier to be outed as scum for illogical progression or fake waffling thznhedging because you’ve already laid the groundwork to be uncommitted to that read. So as long as there’s clear logical progression on a read, waffling is usually town indicative where as hedging makes it far easier for scum to hide.

Don't put words into my mouth. That is all for now.

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Where did I say I scumread penguin?

also
HEAL: ejj
HEAL: andante

My current top townreads are ejj, andante, and CSF - ranked from strongest to weakest.

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Where did I say I scumread penguin?

also
HEAL: ejj
HEAL: andante

My current top townreads are ejj, andante, and CSF - ranked from strongest to weakest.

HURT: Penguin
HEAL: ejj

I can’t wait for someone to suddenly accuse me of not hard tr Andante but between you and eijj misconstruing my posting, anything is possible.

oh rofl

i used hurt tags to remove my leader vote on penguin. so i was right that you put words in my mouth.

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HEAL: ejjinami
Also quite liking ejji for leader at the moment. The volume and flow of their posting seems natural. For example, their reaction to some of my posts feels not overthought; I also like 220. I did a quick search and didn't find any past games as scum. Assuming they're not an alt this also raises my confidence in them being town slightly? I think that if they are fake town-spewing they are doing pretty competent town-spew, to the extent I'd expect it to be slightly out of reach for a newer scum player?

Admittedly am slightly susceptible to tring high volume posters and people who agree with me, so here's to hoping that's not the case x

If my count is correct, ejji has four heals at the moment. Would love to hear from anyone who has reservations about ejji.

Anyone kicking around rn and want a quick chat?

I have the highest post count and i seem to be invisible to you - wanna talk about your read on me

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Still waiting on someone to tell me where i said i scumread penguin

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I'm approaching the halfway point for my posts - so I'm going to be sinking into the background as I have work tomorrow anyways.
Aisa summed up my thoughts pretty much perfectly. That's a person actually reading the game in good faith. (praying its not a pocket tho lmao)

ejj>andante>CSF>PP(i still townlean the slot)>Aisa>Fidget>Loki>FB>Gamma>Radical Rat>Shoshin(default reading this bottom of the pack)

If we end up getting split, I ask the side that doesnt have me to respect this list at least for the top 5 ^^

See yall later

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I changed my mind I want to strictly be leader again.

Anyone who opposes it i want detailed reasons because I can actually do well in setups like this with unknown mechs.
Loki- idk if you know this, but my PoE is not "bottom5" or whatever arbitrary number.

And andante please stop blatanrly misrepresenting me.
I will mass quote all the posts that aren't "spam" for you and if you want to talk spamming stuff i should bring up one of your own towngames.

Honestly?
HEAL: ejj
HEAL: csf

I also changed my mind on giving andante mech control too.
If you are going to accuse me of "pointless spamming", when

I think RR is pretty much obviously scum and shoshin probably scum by PoE of me having some degree of townread everywhere else.

I'm *not* having control wrested from me because i need to play nice to not have the game screwed over.

The sheer fact so many people are circling to put me in PoE makes me feel there is at least 1 scum there potentially aiming to silence me because i do play well and yes loki that is why you are that low.

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I will state I have a good record on killing 0 posting slot scum correctly btw -

And now i am out again until hopefully next stage so i keep my posts

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No my vote was already on ejj, it isnt hammer

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Loki being this ignorant and not tmi-ing me town is town indicative and this is going to be an annoying game

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I. Have. More. Townleans and townreads. Than. You. Are. Claiming. I. Do.

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It is terrible play to assume a non poster is town. That is how you want me to play. I will not. I will sooner eliminate the 0 poster and expect it to flip scum over most of the rest of the playerlist

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Leader Selection:

Andante [2]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie,

Aisa [2]:

Fidget, Ejjinami,

Ejjinami [2]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Roden [1]:

Gamma Emerald

NotAHecticAlt [1]:

Roden

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

not voting [5]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Aisa

Mod Note: Your Latest Post Containing Heals will be considered your Heals and override all previous Heals.
Hurt Tags do not do anything.
Shoshin has been prodded

Event

Deadline

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You dont prod a player who didnt respond to their role pm ^^^^^
Please stop skimming and actually read. (Ironic i know)

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You are tunneling me based on misinterpretations and false assumptions. Do better, I know you can

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Leader Selection:

Andante [2]:

Radical Rat, Loki Dokie,

Aisa [2]:

Fidget, Ejjinami,

Ejjinami [2]:

NotAHecticAlt, Andante

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Roden [1]:

Gamma Emerald

NotAHecticAlt [1]:

Roden

Radical Rat [1]:

Andante

not voting [5]:

Shoshin, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Aisa

Mod Note: Your Latest Post Containing Heals will be considered your Heals and override all previous Heals.
Hurt Tags do not do anything.
Shoshin has been prodded

Event

Deadline

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You dont prod a player who didnt respond to their role pm ^^^^^
Please stop skimming and actually read. (Ironic i know)

Okay you do have a point but I was also prodded in WH, probably twice I think? and I was town, so the point still is we don’t know. If you’re claiming I think she’s town, I never said that. We have no way of knowing if she got scum and went MIA or had internet issues after that. That slot will probably get replaced and then we’ll actually have something to base it on.

Oh and I also hard tr you in RC’s game, so I don’t think there even exists a game where I was scum and you town? So where you’re getting this I’m town because I didn’t tmi you town has never actually happened.

We hydrad together and i also replaced into a game where you flipped scum (the botched backup claim)
So no, i am not making things up.
I am town here so im going to have logical answers to all your accusations

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Too bad shoshin and RR are scum together and RR spewed them mafia

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actually its just FB/shoshin/RR so lmao

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Your point is that I've never seen your scum game - but I have. Please stop arguing semantics with me.

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Well still Andante, maybe Fidget? I’ve really liked her recent posting. I also agree with whomever thinks Gamma’s probably town here. I played with scum!Gamma in a comparible setup and he didn’t play anything like this.

tbh agreed with gamma (even tho it’s mainly gut on my side)
disagree with fidget-regardless if reasonable or not

But I’m usually paranoid about Roden. Wrt RR, he is always scummy irrespective of alignment. It’s the degree that makes that ai.

I… really don’t think they’re scummy here :/

I have no idea rn who is scum but Andante is an absolute townlock

great then

I prefer Andante and Fidget but not opposed to Eijj. Need more convincing on RR but don’t really understand the suspicion on him either.

remove fidget and we agree 100%

I think RR is pretty much obviously scum

wait, why lol?

consider a RR/FB/Shoshin world

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mine was outted in the other game on this account, I'm DkKoba - I'll let Loki decide to out their main but it is an outted alt if you know where to look.

whats your read on us btw?

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Does knowing who I am change your read in any shape or form? If so, how?

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NotAHecticAlt [4]: Roden, Firebringer, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower

:/
mmmmm

last thing before I dip...
although I liked the progression, this wagon really doesn't make me feel safe

(also kinda ironic hectic is being healed by their entire scum-team guess except for shoshin)

but yeah... not exactly a wagon composition I'd trust

explain this, now.

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damnit i thought you scumslipped lmfao

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mmm I don't wanna elect not hectic though

skill issue

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hi toog sorry for the rand

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theres actually a few good reasons to vote nothectic.
1) increases likelihood nothectic is night killed
2) see 1

i mean if i get a gun as part of being a leader im probably blasting you so hf

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What should I tell the people to get u leader

what about telling your candidate to not tell the voters they have a skill issue...

you're calling me scum essentially and calling my scumreads town - so frankly maybe I just dont want a repeat of team mafia where you hard townread the most obvious mafia to me and scumread the most obvious townie to me. I'm getting deja vu and I'm not in the mood. You have literally never read me correctly when you have been town and you intentionally lean into that when you're scum too. Do you understand how frustrating that is to play against? Like the 2 times i was scum against you - you didnt say anything about me because i know how to play around town you. its literally so easy and the strategy has not changed.

when im town it is simply just frustrating af when you misread what i say, misrepresent my posts and simply just bad faith tunnel me *every* *single* game*.

so yeah im going to snap back with "skill issue" at this point because theres no convincing you i think.

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How did CSF get that high?

Lodging a formal objection to this one, I think there's a solid chance she's scum here

awoo

i sure wonder why andante suddenly opposes csf

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How did CSF get that high?

Lodging a formal objection to this one, I think there's a solid chance she's scum here

Btw this is scum who is panicking that a 2 town leadership is about to be established^

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Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

I stand by my Andante heal for now, she's overthinking things a bit, but looks plenty Town to me. Firebringer's point that he'd be electing her as scum is valid, but if scum wants to help elect a Townie as leader, I'm sure not gonna be the one to stop them.

I think Hectic is probably Town. Which is to say that the alt that ISN'T Hectic must not be. Really, just not a fan of all the grandstanding, feels like a spicy mix of LAMIST and Too Scummy To Be Scum, so they're off my list of viable leaders.

Firebringer I think is genuinely Town here, though largely gut at this point. Wouldn't want him as leader though, because while I do enjoy a good shitpost every now and then... I'd rather someone more reliable take the reins.

Ejj I could go either way on. Leaning Town for now.

Everyone else.... No terribly strong opinions on. Mildly sus of Penguin, but that's just like. A vague feeling, less than even gut

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rr went from this to their current fabricated stance bc they see a chance to get power

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Their scumbud toog replaces in, votes them, and they think now its viable to try to get themselves in because vocal townie andante is supporting them

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well funnily enough they slipped and exposed the read wasnt real so

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ejj if we wanna use vca and use it to say im scum with csf what does that say about you?
Fun fact: vca is shit and always has been.

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i refuse to vote andante out of spite atp and also bc mechanics are not her strong suit to put it lightly

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I'd go for loki fidget aisa
Thats it

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Yes i changed my mind from start of game partially bc she is tunneling me and also shielding scum but also bc i reconsidered the damage that could be done wrt the main mechanic of the game

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rr has been fairly shallow, has had ingenuine reads that focus on an agenda of silencing people fosing them by chainsaw defense and in general just hasnt really shown an inclination to solve(imo, i know people wont see this last one potentially bc they see wall post = solvy)

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I know I've been accused of being shallow but thats simply untrue and im growing suspicion of those accusing me of that due to the fact that i know ive examined this game from several angles including considering ejj scum at one point yesterday (didnt state it bc i mentally processed it but these are things i have considered)

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Csf has a fairly polarized game and IMO she has shown her town game here- and there are takes i dont believe she makes as scum, i.e. they feel too bold for her - in that i dont think we mindmeld the way we have this game if she is mafia.
Sure you can call me scum and say that shes just scum with me but if you can see one of us as town the other should come naturally.

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Note that RR froze up after showing a hard inconsistency in thought

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If you heal csf we move onto next phase, enchant

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GAME SPLIT POG

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I'll be on the team that doesnt include andante

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If I wanted to construct a group I felt good about being town rn it’d probably be me, Loki, Enchant, Fidget, and FB, with CSF as captain

why enchant over others?

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im the best enchant reader on the site and enchant has not towntold yet so theres a good possibility gamma just TMI'd them lmao

andante is different bc andante does that kind of read and its prob just a gut read

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take parachute

btw im preserving my posts for the voting phase so thats why im lurky rn

im fine with any team that doesnt have gamma/fb/toog/RR

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Looks like postcap got reset for this phase so spam koba is returning in a big way

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FB is a maybe town, bc upon review of his ISO, I feel like his posting felt more scum motivated in Infernal Affairs than it does here... he's just like out here vibing. But he's also just a bigger wildcard in general, and idk if I can ever get to a point where I feel good and confident about healing there

ahhh I'll sleep on it. I should be able to make time for this game tomorrow morning

But for now, this is my squad!

Why gamma?

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I think I’m back to suspecting NAHA
their Loki read philosophy seems kinda off here
I think in general they should have different reads as town

I sure wonder what agenda driven reason there might be for this post

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pretty sure we're waiting on the leaders to solidify their teams and then we vote on which team to send back to the past (where they do not bridges).

I'd like to sell you a bridge from the past:

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I still think RR slipped their reads arent genuine in their post where i accused them of townreading me before and not having progression while simultaneously not myself realizing i was quoting a post where they scumread me but when replying they did not even realize said inconsistency as one who had a genuine read there would.

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I think I’m back to suspecting NAHA
their Loki read philosophy seems kinda off here
I think in general they should have different reads as town

What reads do you think should be different?

I think he means i should townread him xD

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Also I don’t think NAHA came to a natural townread on Loki, and rather they felt pushing her was detrimental to their agenda

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Says mr enchant tmi-er

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gamma copied my idea of accusing someone of an unnatural townread bc i accused them of it first lmao
realizing that i am a threat this phase as ive caught scum gamma recently after misreading them SoDs

He knows i can find his alignment and thus has to resort to discrediting me.
other players who ive been more successful in reading have done the same - discred me before i gain the power to bury them

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if you townread rr i think its wrong

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Mainly the biggest thing i can suggest looking at is the subtle slip i pointed out within their read consistency, that does not happen with townies
Loki i think is town bc i do not think they push me gamestart the way they did and would have instead seen me as town from the start due to knowing my alignment and would have felt pocketing me would be better IMO - some of this is extrapolation on how i feel she is as a player, but i trust my extrapolations as they've been accurate in the past.

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enchant has been strictly NAI, tho i would townlean them slightly, nothing he has said is out of his scumrange, even his previous one before he upgraded his scumgame

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So if you are town, the read is bullshitted - something i know you do not tend to do - but the likelier reason is you thought he made alignment telling posts because andante, who you also spew town via this, also made a townread there.

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No i called RRs read on me inconsistent.

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If you cited roden as the reason you townread the slot I'd believe you but thats not how you phrased the read at all.
I agree that roden's few posts were towny from them - but my point was not that i disagreed with the enchant read but that i disagree with how you claim to have reached it

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tldr: skill issue

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ok i need to stop using that phrase before it gets me banned lmao

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yeah, that's it for me, loki is not getting on my team
if I'm wrong, just sorry

HURT: Loki Dokie

I assure you, loki is town

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Hectic, can you talk to me about your Gamma read, because I currently think you're both town and would like you both in my crew. is Gamma aware of Enchant's scumrange? His read would not be TMI if he's not aware.

Wdym?

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o7 i await a new timeline

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these teams suck

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VOTE: Team 2

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im sick today

can people explain why they support the team they are voting by explaining it player by player btw?
It would be helpful in case we are wrong (which i believe is going to happen regardless of the team bc i scumread a person from both)
If there is town between RR/Gamma i believe that it is important for them to towntell in a way that gets their team through so we just win - bc thats the only place i think there is scum atp

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something makes me feel like both teams may be impure but not because of loki or naha
anyone wanna hazard a guess as to what?

*finger pointing at you*

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no redactions

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i tried to setup a teammate when i should have bussed