Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Datisi]

first!!!

VOTE: ausuka

whoever doesn't have an avatar, please get one, it's really difficult for me to read the game otherwise. i will even resize it for you if needed.

[Datisi]

VOTE: save the dragons

[Datisi]

i can get it to work

pls i need pictures to associate with each slot

[Datisi]

@crescent



save the image onto your pc as whatever, go into ucp > profile > edit avatar > upload the saved image and submit. i just tested it on an alt, it *should* work

[Datisi]

VOTE: marci

i think ausuka is town for the simple reason i've never seen scum claim miller and i'm running with it until proven otherwise

[Datisi]

3/13 is the standard. there are a few 2/13 games (mostly run by nk15), but they're generally rare and the fact that it was brought up in that post in a sorta awkward way contributes to my thoughts that marci might be scum trying to appear scumhunty or whatever

and yes, that is the exact same picture

[Datisi]

i'm sorry your friend rolled scum, gamma

[Datisi]

why do you still vote me then

[Datisi]

still think marci is scum and i'll be looking at everyone who is ignoring weighing in on this discussion

[Datisi]

why did the vc format change

[Datisi]

Marci's town.

Roden needs more votes.

why and why

[Datisi]

Do kind of find it interesting though that Ausuka claimed that and then no one really acknowledged it until Marci like 8 posts later or something

i acknowledged it immediately by not voting ausuka anymore

[Datisi]

Datisi town (he was anything but).

why am i scum (other than disagreeing with your marci read)? why is marci unlikely to call ausuka's role fake?

[Datisi]

suspicious of roden because the early townread of shoshin for "solving behind the scenes" seems (1) kinda awkwardly explained, (2) seems like tmi? like, i'm a bit skeptical that he saw two basically naked votes and decided there's some townie solving happening there

[Datisi]

ausuka, do you scumread alex?

[Datisi]

Working theory: Roden/Datisi/Crescent scumteam.

The reason I think you're town is because I saw this trajectory without you even saying anything lol

so how did you see this coming? it's not obvious to me from shoshin's iso up until that point at all

[Datisi]

ausuka town on content

i may or may not be pocketed by the marci read

[Datisi]

I'm alive, catching up on two games now. Will also be in and out for the next hour or so if anybody wants to chat

who is your strongest townread and why is it datisi

[Datisi]

stop mentioning ongoing games, thanks

[Datisi]

Thoughts on Crescent:

Spoiler:

My first thought was to distrust Asuka.

My second thought was that I haven't seen such a claim come from scum in a few years.

As such, the claim doesn't really do a lot for me. I need to see their actual play. It's way too early for a blanket judgment,

The reason Marci voted for Asuka is kinda hogwash. The only one that argument might actually be valid on right now is Marci herself.

Town don't usually lay out their logic in this way: "My first thought...," "my second thought...," "as such..."

From what I remember (back when I used to play more), scum tend to overly-justify their behaviors/reads in this way. They sequence their thoughts more often than town, and format posts as logical-sounding arguments. This pings me from Crescent.

I also don't like Crescent's use of "kinda" to soften his posts. In the context of aggressive/confident posting like Crescent's, it feels off.

Kinda too early to make such a statement.

Three people haven't been in the topic yet, and aside from Shoshin's two contentless votes (The second one being a countervote), there really isn't anyone it would apply to unless you count the guy who said "I feel like marci is being marci" and went VLA.

This post rubs me the wrong way. Throwing shade my way without committing to it.

Crescent also falls into another common scum pattern: lazily attacking lack of justifications, rather than searching for deeper meanings.

Oh he's shitposting for reactions. Less interesting.

Another common scum pattern: Discrediting/dismissing townies and their efforts to scumhunt as non-serious (or not to be taken seriously).

why do u immediately jump to shitposting? LOL what if shoshins serious..

Yes, let's seriously come up with a scumteam based solely on a single point of interaction 80 posts into the game. That sure sounds serious~

I am very weary of shitposters right now for reasons I can't get into.

This is more of the same. Crescent portrays himself as experienced, yet acts like he's never seen a townie genuinely scumhunt early or try to figure the game out after 80 posts.

Oh no, I've drawn aggro from the guy who just expertly avoided actually answering the previous question asked to him.

There's no deeper thinking of alignments here, just mindless dismissal of my play.

This feels like Crescent's trying to hide their frustration that I'm voting them. If you were online at the time and saw Crescent's flurry of posts, it very much felt like Crescent having a "tantrum" (as Marci describes).

Frankly though, he's already pointed out three people as scum, someone to be scum if we're not, and also said an inactive is probably scum so he's probably wrong on the three of us anyway.

It reeks of flinging poop around and seeing where it sticks. He's pretty well thrown shade at half the players in the game in the first 100 posts.

This is where Crescent loses it entirely.

Nothing about what I did was "flinging poop around." Assuming there's three scum, I'm looking for three scum. I'm considering possible scenarios where one of the players I suspect isn't scum. This is how townies think through the game, which Crescent should know. Instead, Crescent acts like I'm desperately shading half the players, hoping something sticks.

Why would scum ever do this in the beginning of the game with no rhyme or reason? It's an absurd proposition, one that shows a total lack of thought. Crescent's just mindlessly applying a scum behavior ("scum trying to shade enough players to get a mislynch") to a situation where it doesn't apply at all.

I read this (and all the posts about this topic and from this moment) as over-reactions to me voting Crescent.

Oh and between saying I was scum with those two for no given reason and voting me I don't even appear in a post of his. I commented that he dodged a question and he voted me. Ok then.

So say he's not shitposting? What is he doing then? Blustering at the game in what doesn't resemble any legitimate attempt to scumhunt anyone. All he's trying to do is spread shade to as many people as possible, which is a scum-slanted action.

Again, Crescent suggests I'm spreading shade to as many people as possible, which just isn't true. Again, my take is that Crescent's attacking me because I voted them.

Crescent's simultaneously trying to dismiss/discredit me ("shitposting") while also attacking me as scum ("throwing shade wherever it sticks").

Is anyone else not surprised that Crescent isn't more curious about why I'm voting them? Can anyone point to something from Crescent that shows a genuine attempt to solve my alignment?

why are u so pressed about it then if its meaningless?

The problem is the insistence it isn't meaningless.

Crescent is concerned that I'm serious about my vote on them.

To sum it up: 3 of his posts are blank votes without a reason. The other 9?

Puts sus on Roden, then on me and Datisi.

Then on Scamper and everyone who hasn't posted yet, which are 3 people.

He then shades Ausuka.


He has shaded

eight players

and voted for three, in the first 104 posts of the game. Doesn't feel genuine at all.

More of the same. Crescent's upset that I'm trying to evaluate alignments in the first 104 posts of the game.

"Fling poop around and see where it sticks" is a tried and true scum strategy. The issue is, it tends to dilute your actual vote so much that it has no real power. The goal is you're hoping even one of the people you shade takes off as a train - Preferably someone you've never actually voted so it doesn't blow back directly on you.

If he were shitposting it'd be NAI to me. The fact that he voted me for pointing out he dodged a question was a mere continuance of his already anti-town behavior (His previous vote was also a direct countervote).

Anyways, very hard early defense of who's by a fair margin the scummiest player in the early game.. Generally does

not

come from scum.

Marci's way more likely to be town based on that one post.

Crescent assumes I voted them them for reasons that have nothing to do with why I voted them. I suspected Crescent before Crescent asked me any questions. I voted Crescent because I decided Roden was town.

There's just no real thought process here. Very concerning.

I wouldn't want to mislynch Crescent, since they're very engaged and active at the moment. If I'm wrong about this, I need someone to help me reach that understanding.

crescent is a she, and we don't use the l-word anymore.

this case is very much over exaggerated, but it does show a certain thought pattern that i had bwen mulling over myself. mainly, shoshin's shading of multiple people definitely isn't townie, but it's also difficult to call it scummy since that sorta behaviour often gets scumread, and scum generally have a bit more... grace doing it. so seeing crescent surface-level latch onto it without đuch deeper thought is concerning.

shoshin, can you answer my question about your read on me, please?

[Datisi]

i feel like i have had almost double the people ping me as some sorta scummy than some sorta townie, which uh

very rarely happens and it is Not Good

[Datisi]

144 makes me like alexcellent.

how is that post anywhere in the realm of good

[Datisi]

I'm still waiting for Scamper to actually say why he townreads me and Gamma. Feel like I've been waiting on that for a while.

@scamper

[Datisi]

i feel like i have had almost double the people ping me as some sorta scummy than some sorta townie, which uh

very rarely happens and it is Not Good

I mean

Do you want to elaborate here

not really - my three sorta townreads are you/bella/shoshin

the people that have at least somewhat pinged me scummy at some points are marci/alex/crescent

hm okay it's actually less people in the latter category than i thought, but like -- still have too many nulls for my liking, and the reads i do have feel much less defined than i'd like them

inb4 "datisi what the fuck are you talking about, it's page 10" yes i know what i said

ik this is complaining without doing anything about it, but that's my current mood so you know

[Datisi]

not really - my three sorta townreads are you/bella/shoshin

y do u townread bella?

she townreads me

her vibes feel chill and not overly attention-grabby, she explains what she thinks but not in an over-the-top way, her thoughts make sense to me

[Datisi]

do you find that you're townread by town more often than scum?

is being chill and not overly attention-grabby a towntell? because if anything i feel like trying to avoid attention is what *scum* want to do and shes been playing on the sidelines and offering some commentary but avoiding getting into the thick of it, none of her analysis has been substantial and she ignored the question i asked her in 62

i don't have data in mind for how often scum v town townreads me -- but i think it's likelier scum townreads me here. bella doesn't know of my meta about getting pocketed (don't think anyone on this playerlist knows, really), and i feel like scum would be more inclined to put me aside as a potential misyeet for later, rather than outright townread me when i've been having a not-very-clear thought process.

i think scum who is putting in an effort to solve (like she has) is more likely to make a show out of it to make sure people ~notice~ they are solving and townread them for it. the more lowkey solving is more often seen in town i think.

[Datisi]

but i think it's likelier scum townreads me here

it's likelier town* townreads me here, imagine proofreading posts

[Datisi]

Johnny's catch up is lightly towny because the push on Dats seems counterintuitive for scum to make and I like it, still want to see more from him tho

johnny is pushing me?

[Datisi]

pooky would absolutely make a troll setup lmao

[Datisi]

VOTE: alex

[Datisi]

i havent read deeper into my wagon but i think datisis pretty scummy.

why

[Datisi]

What're your reads, Datisi?

right now they're what i said earlier. i'm not at home currently and don't have time to read the game in detail. i will probably make a comprehensive readslist tonight.

mind elaborating on your read of me now?

[Datisi]

Probably worth noting how he appeared the instant you called him scummy though almost like that summoned him.

when i'm busy, i skim for mentions of my name as that is the only thing i can respond to without having to possibly backread.

do you wanna call me scum for it?

[Datisi]

@shoshin, we don't use the l-word on this site anymore, and i haven't gotten to this game yet. i don't lurk to "avoid posting content" or whatever else because i am more than good enough at scum to know what to post.

[Datisi]

i don't lurk to "avoid posting content" or whatever else because i am more than good enough at scum to know what to post.

What's your win rate as scum?

Or more precisely, how often do you survive as scum to endgame?

my games are on the wiki, with the exception of the recent championship qualifiers scumgame. i don't keep track of numbers, they depress me

[Datisi]

why do you think it's worth noting then?

pedit: lol

[Datisi]

hey shoshin, how did i go from 5th to bottom to apparently first/second?

[Datisi]

Current reads, from towny to scummy:

Ausuka
Roden
Scamper
Crescent
Marci
Bella
Alex
Datisi
Johnny
STD
Corwinoid
Gamma

Low confidence on all reads.

I'm not sure what you're asking, Alex. Crescent's probably town despite posting like scum.

I understand why you're voting Bella, but I'm not interested in that lynch today.

I'd appreciate if you join me in sorting through Gamma/Datisi/Corwin/STD. We should lynch in this group today.

Why isn't Johnny in this group?

Johnny's town.

johnny has not posted between 341 and 413?

[Datisi]

Realized he's obvtown

do you mind actually backing up the claims you're making?

[Datisi]

Realized he's obvtown

do you mind actually backing up the claims you're making?

I gave up on questions like this a while ago.

i'm still trying to show some good faith, but fuck me i guess

[Datisi]

"Guy who replaces out day 1 as scum"

I'm known by many as this type of player. Something to consider, Crescent.

if the supposed implication of this is "i'd have replaced out of this game if i was scum", that's actually really disgusting.

[Datisi]

"Guy who replaces out day 1 as scum"

I'm known by many as this type of player. Something to consider, Crescent.

if the supposed implication of this is "i'd have replaced out of this game if i was scum", that's actually really disgusting.

Isn't this also against the rules?

yes it is, which is why i am asking

what did you mean to say by 454?

[Datisi]

i wanna soul-townread crescent for pointing out how anti-town shoshin's play is, because this rng roulette of constant naked "reads" is doing wonders for killing my motivation for this game. the fact that crescent noticed it too is probably? +town.

[Datisi]

But Shoshin just practically townconfirmed with replacement meta which makes it even more insufferable.

shoshin has done similar "i would/wouldn't do xyz if i was scum here guys!!!" while being scum, so it's not actually indicative of alignment.

[Datisi]

shoshin has done similar "i would/wouldn't do xyz if i was scum here guys!!!" while being scum, so it's not actually indicative of alignment.

You think I'm scum here?

i have zero opinion on your alignment due to the fact that you chronically refuse to explain anything that you do.

if i cared enough, i'd go back to check if you were acting similar in that last game we played, but just so happens that i do not care enough right now.

[Datisi]

wow, bella is town, i can't believe that

[Datisi]

idk i feel like datisis had the time to get into the game but just hasnt

yes

[Datisi]

i wanna soul-townread crescent for pointing out how anti-town shoshin's play is, because this rng roulette of constant naked "reads" is doing wonders for killing my motivation for this game. the fact that crescent noticed it too is probably? +town.

ok i wanna point out this looks like its openly pocketing crescent and trying to take advantage of her to push on shoshin, it just feels completely icky

and i think his reaction to shoshin's comment was kind of a low-key scumclaim

so with that i wanna

VOTE: Datisi

this post feels kind of ironic, considering that i never voted shoshin, and i literally said i do not think she is scum, so...

i'm open to hearing how my comment there was a "scumclaim", but this post feels like trying to take advantage of the existing datisi push :>

(this caught my eye, i'll try to catch up properly before my shift today)

[Datisi]

roden might be townie for 539. i don't think it makes sense for him to be trying to pocket me, it's not a read that will get townread by others, and it instinctively makes sense based on what he's seen from my games. (though i would warn against reads like that because i can be useless as scum too, but y'know. he's town for it.)

hood reveal is interesting, i dont have a problem with std outing it since theres probably scum in a 4 person hood but i kind of wish he'd waited a bit longer so that we could have reads from people on the players in the hood + lemons could have posted

cuz right now my immediate thought is the lemons slot is probably scum but we learn basically nothing from it now if thats true

I really do think the setup could have a four player town hood just to fuck with the players

Like I'm not saying that's what's happening but I think it's not good to let the hood shape reads too much in a troll setup

i dont think having some slightly unusual roles is an indicator of a "troll setup". even if we assume its randomized alignments its more likely than not theres scum in the hood,

and i think "oh it's a troll setup so the hood is all town" is a weird logical leap and not good thinking

, b/c if it were that obvious the game just solves itself on day 1

the bolded is a weird logical leap. ausuka did not say that the hood is all town, like they specifically said they don't think that's necessarily the case -- i thought scamper's statement was supposed to be "clearing everyone from the hood is bad" which would've been fine, but inclusion of "troll setup" in their post while quoting ausuka calling the setup a troll setup feels like they're attaching the bolded to ausuka, which? no?

Something feels off about the timing and the VLA. I know it's a holiday and I'm trying not to let a VLA influence me, but it just feels off.

???
what feels off about that? what is the possible scum motivation for saying "btw i'm in a hood" then fucking off for a few days? (i don't think there's town motivation either, the action feels nai to me, but assigning it to scum feels Not Good.)

[Datisi]

my problem is these are posts from the first 3 pages of the game and since then hes done not much at all, and while you could probably say that about half the players in the game i dont particularly find it towny...

this post is sidestepping what alex is calling me town for, and going "well datisi has also not done anything since then. yes i know a lot of people haven't either. but it's not townie for datisi!!!" the post seems like it is supposed to address why alex's reasons for thinking i'm town aren't valid, but the only thing this actually says is "it was a while ago", which i'm sure alex is aware of

i commented on 556 already but it is a lol post

oh, i just had a thought and if that thought was correct, then i think scamper's scumpoints go up tenfold

i do wanna have a chat with you when you're here, though

[Datisi]

i think gamma might be townie based on posts around the top of page 24

i think her thoughts wrt the shoshin read actually make sense now that they're explained, as opposed to how they seemed back when it was first going down

[Datisi]

i wanna soul-townread crescent for pointing out how anti-town shoshin's play is, because this rng roulette of constant naked "reads" is doing wonders for killing my motivation for this game. the fact that crescent noticed it too is probably? +town.

ok i wanna point out this looks like its openly pocketing crescent and trying to take advantage of her to push on shoshin, it just feels completely icky

and i think his reaction to shoshin's comment was kind of a low-key scumclaim

so with that i wanna

VOTE: Datisi

I do actually agree that this dats post was somewhat wolfy and I'd like him to explain it when he comes back

Like, I don't disagree that Crescent is town but I don't see the thought process behind this read. Why would mafia ever hesitate to call out Shoshin's play here as anti town? Especially after the trust tell thing, assuming Shoshin is town here scum would be pretty damn annoyed that she tried to clear herself in such a way?

part of it is a mindmeld. i was thinking how shoshin's play is Bad, someone else made the same comment about her play, i'm town, so crescent has increased chance of being town now.

regardless of that though, i feel like calling someone out for anti-town play is more likely to come from a town mindset? like, the overall mindset of "your play is shit and unfun but you're still town goddammit" is anti-opportunistic.

especially since crescent did say prior that shoshin's play can be a scum tactic, but then switched onto calling her town. unless they're both scum, this doesn't make much sense from crescent.

you could say that crescent wanted to appear townie by calling someone anti-town but town, and sure, maybe. but i feel like scum generally doesn't triple down on that the way crescent did, because it runs the risk of people going "wtf ok we get the point already, shut up", AND it makes it increasingly difficult for them to potentially change their mind later on that slot if they need to. it's counterintuitive to scum to do that.

as for that post pocketing crescent... yes? i am? i think she's town, i want her to think i'm town, i want us to work together. you got me.

[Datisi]

Datisi, if I'm interpreting correctly, you think that STD's inactivity is NAI and that Corniwoid's attacks on it is bad?

i think std is off doing whatever it is that americans do on 4th of july, and that calling that out is probably icky -- tho i wanna hear the justification for it

[Datisi]

like, i'm not talking about it wrt moral in mafia (even though it is kinda yikes attacking people for v/la), i'm talking about it wrt content because i cannot figure out what is supposed to be the scum motivation for "i'm in a hood. ok cool bye"

[Datisi]

radiant lodestar

i kept reading this as "radiant lobster"

[Datisi]

okay, tldr of my reads is

ausuka, bella, crescent, roden, gamma, johnny - townie, vaguely from towniest to scummiest

shoshin/freedom idk. i wanna say townie. i opened this iso from town!shoshin when we last played: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

and realized i'm seeing red because i'm still annoyed at her play in this game. so i'm gonna give myself a day to cool off there and get to this tonight. or just wait until i can read freedom. i'm probably not gonna see that day, but you never know.

scamper, corwin, alex, marci have pinged me scum at some points. i'll make an effort soon to try to determine what's going on here. wanna have a chat with scamper as soon as possible, though.

VOTE: scamper

no opinion on std as of now.

[Datisi]

do you have any updated opinion about my play or

[Datisi]

i didn't say that

[Datisi]

i didn't say that

then why do u think i need to update my opinion on u

because ur opinion was "lol datisi isn't getting into the game"

which is like, objectively true but it's not ai as you make it out to be

but also if that were the case coming from town!you, you'd have thoughts on my play now that i am in the game (:

[Datisi]

"roden's reason for townreading me is townie" is about as deep as that goes. i don't think there's much value in pocketing a person half the game is scumreading. could he be scum putting up a front of defending me? sure. he's not locktown by any means. but i gotta start somewhere and i think his current reads offsets whatever i thought was scummy of him earlier (since he did explain it anyway) and it's more likely he's just town right now.

@ausuka

[Datisi]

i think ur not trying to solve
it just feels like ur playing a game of follow the leader where asukas the leader.

here is where you're making out to be ai lmfao

marcistar is obvious scum and i don't know why it is so difficult for others to see

[Datisi]

i just think its a good point to bring up

like, what does this even mean? why would it be a good point to bring up if she's not calling me scum for it? everyone can see for themselves i wasn't much into this game prior to this morning

like nothing she's saying about her read of me makes any sense

[Datisi]

ur just soft for datisi..

I mean I'm trying not to let that influence me but pressing him here does seem counterproductive idk

idk i feel like datisis had the time to get into the game but just hasnt

this is plainly trying to get ausuka to scumread me

if she's doing that, then she's making it be ai
if she's not doing that, then this post doesn't make any sense because why else would she say this than "datisi is scummy for it tho right"

[Datisi]

Like I guess I just think it's natural for town who know they can get pocketed to be afraid of being pocketed and I don't think it's true that people who are seen as scummy never get pocketed and that Dats probably knows that

i don't look at every townread i ever get and think "omg what if i ma getting pocketed oh no!!!"

if the gamestate is such where it makes sense that people would be trying to pocket me (i'm conftown, i'm a popular townread, etc) i'm gonna be thinking of it more. if it's like this where i think people would have less incentive to do so (i'm getting wagoned, more popular scumread) i'm gonna be thinking of it less

could roden be pocketing me? sure i guess. do i think both the gamestate and the nature of his read make it much less likely, and therefore there's no point to me worrying about it at the moment? yes

[Datisi]

i am once again asking you to vote marcistar

VOTE: marcistar

like this is blatant scum flailing, come on

[Datisi]

no coherent thought process

just blatant mindless arguing like she did in micro 1056 that ended this morning

work so i gotta go for now but vote marci k thx

[Datisi]

so am i copying ausuka or am i doing easy votes

and "your vote wasn't on your strongest scumread" is a lol accusation that i hope i don't have to respond to

[Datisi]

how am i "trying to take advantage of the existing datisi push" when the primary person doing it is...marcistar, who you think is scum? (and shoshin, but she is no longer a player in this game). i cant be scum taking advantage of other scum...

and at that moment in time, it felt like u were buddying up to try that...your first reaction looked like you were outraged she was trying to clear herself in a dirty manner, and then later you pointed out that shes done it before as scum so it shouldnt be read into...the whole thing felt a little 'angry a potential mislim is slipping away to me'...even though you said you dont think shoshin is scum, that only happened after crescent made it claer she had no interest in pushing shoshin anymore...

i don't solve for teams on day 1. i don't think it's likely you two are scum together. if she's town, then your push on me feels much worse.

shoshin is gone sure, but that looked like you were trying to get some momentum going there before her replacement got in and did who knows what.

yeah, i was extremely mad she was trying to imply whatever it was that she was trying to imply. i knew it doesn't make her town. you know why i was mad? because i find that type of play disgusting and i think it ruins games.

you can say "well you only said shoshin is town after---" but at that point it's making the facts fit your narrative, not the other way around. if i had wanted to push shoshin for her play, i would have. i'd have voted her immediately. it'd have been obvious i think she's scum. i didn't think so.

[Datisi]

b/c its not like anyone is going to admit they dont believe what they are arguing

didn't marci literally do this though?

[Datisi]

re 715 -- that's just not how i play. i saw you making posts towards me that were smelling bad, and you voting me. i remembered that this happened after there were a few votes on me already. "scum taking advantage of votes being on me? let's test it" is as far as i thought. i'm not gonna think "wait, but xyz are already voting me, and i am abc% sure there's scum there, which mean that therefore def% less likely--" no. that is most of the time counterproductive because i generally fall flat on my ass whenever i try to get a team going on d1.

"push dying with shoshin" is something i disagree with (partly because she wasn't doing a good job of it lmao, partly because it wouldn't have been difficult to carry it on)

i mean, you say you agree they were gross. allegedly you're town. so obviously you can see how a townie can hate those posts, no?

nah, i'm trying to figure out what you were trying to do because your vote against me was very bad. and ok, then we're back to "but you were pocketing crescent!!" which like yes i was, good job. think for a bit what a town-motivated reason for trying to make someone think i'm town is.

[Datisi]

i think ur not trying to solve
it just feels like ur playing a game of follow the leader where asukas the leader.

here is where you're making out to be ai lmfao

marcistar is obvious scum and i don't know why it is so difficult for others to see

i dont get why the quoted post makes her "obvious scum"...

because 2 posts ago she claimed that she wasn't trying to paint my absence as ai

when she obviously was (both in that quoted post, and in 500)

[Datisi]

scamper's responses to me are kinda getting better. not willing to call them townie yet, but i no longer feel murder rage there.

still think marci is scum. in the other game that just finished, she was literally just arguing for the sake of arguing. and like, scum!marci is perfectly capable of being completely useless and doing no analysis other than screaming that this one person is scum. seriously. can anyone tell me what her points against me even are?

so am i copying ausuka or am i doing easy votes

also noting that the above ^^ has not been adressed and that marci claimed i'm doing both, soooooo

[Datisi]

oh yeah, would also be willing to wagon corwin at this point. those last few posts are concerning in how inoffensive and contentless they are.

[Datisi]

it's almost as if marci's posts are not made in good faith and she's posting nonsense just for the sake of it.

[Datisi]

i opened the iso

i saw actual solving

[Datisi]

you shouldn't put three mafia doctors in a gunsmith game

i hear you talkin shit

[Datisi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13378298

I think this is an interesting read

My first thought here is just like, she seems to struggle with scumplay a bit? So I'm more inclined to think she's scum here rather than too-scummy-to-be-scum.

Also she said she tends to be more bitchy as scum? I'm not 100% sure whether or not that applies here and I think it's hard to evaluate without being Potentially Rude

this is the game that i was thinking about before, but couldn't say. her entire iso this game was literally just... repeating how i'm scum for frankly nonsense reasons, having no other reads, outright refusing to have any other reads, and being sorta rude in pushing me in order to appear confident or whatever the fuck. it's like, the exact of what she's been doing here. there's no actual thoughts or re-evaluations of my play here. she's just repeating i'm scum for reasons that she doesn't even know.

This does feel like how scum!marci interacted with town!Faker in Micro 1056

Hey Draggo and Datisi, does this ring true? I don't wanna read Micro 1056 either

not sure what freedom is referring to there. marci and faker were in a confirmed 1v1 on day two, so yeah obviously she was screaming at faker. and yes, it did sorta seem like her play towards me this game.

also, @whoever said it seemed like scum!marci had more solving in micro1056 than here -- the early solving was distancing because leaving false associates is extremely important in the setup that game was running. compare it to invictus, which just ended, which is much more traditional mafia like here -- her whole iso on d1 was "lol datisi scum".

[Datisi]

std might be scum, his reads are lmao and "datisi's push could be scum trying to--" what makes you think it's that as opposed to town pushing someone they think is scum.

also scumreading shoshin is a bit wack because how is that play scummy as opposed to stubborn town

not sure why freedom is saying talking about elo and not pushing things through on d1, but like. (1) i definitely do shitpush people through as scum on d1, (2) faker said that marci gets more obvious as the game goes on. if i'm scum and i see town!marci acting scummy early on, i am gonna be trying to capitalize on that immediately. so make of that what you will.

inb4 "but if you're town, why not let marci be for a while so you can--" because i think she's scummy now, and the last time i thought she was scummy now, she was scum, and i want a dead scumfuck on d1.

[Datisi]

do you wanna say something or are you just gonna keep being obnoxious

[Datisi]

gamma, who is scum

[Datisi]

That's the thing though, I don't think she did anything different that earned her second wagon. If she's fucking up then she's fucking up for three days straight. What happened to her wagon the first time around?

her first wagon was an early rvs wagon and people just got bored and decided to try pushing something else? then once she got back and started spewing bad takes again, people voted again? it's not that deep.

[Datisi]

then once she got back and started spewing bad takes again, people voted again? it's not that deep.

"bad takes" isnt only a scum behavior

sorry, i thought it was obvious what i was trying to say -- "utterly nonsense takes that seem to be devoid of any logic or consistency, that show no re-evaluation, that are made purely for the sake of arguing, and that i am aware scum!marcistar does at least somewhat often as scum" would be the full version.

[Datisi]

that's not re-evaluation

you didn't show any thought process and you didn't even unvote or vote elsewhere

[Datisi]

not to mention it came after you got a wagon on yourself again specifically for the push on me

[Datisi]

i like scampers post on corwin, i was getting similar vibes that corwin is doing approx nothing this game

VOTE: corwin

i absolutely still want to murder marci, but we can get this going for the time being

i like ausuka being tryhardy and digging meta up

if anyone needs me for something specific, ask within the next ~half an hour probably kthxbye

[Datisi]

crescent is town

[Datisi]

same

[Datisi]

Corwin attacked me because he refused to entertain any arguments that used other games to read players.

can you link an example of this?

[Datisi]

TBH I DONT WVEN KNOW WHAT ARGUMENT IM MAKING HERE IM ARGUING JUST TO ARGUE

all i know is i think datisisisisis scum

another reason why this post pinged me from marci at the time was because in the scum pt of micro 1056, she made these posts:

prism saying ill lose my motivation eventually?

also me: loving to argue just cuz its funny

i always have so much fun arguing but prisms trying to be mean : ((

which kinda looked like her treatment of me here lol

[Datisi]

i also sometimes argue as scum because it's funny. but i don't do it as town, because it's anti town wincon, soooo...

[Datisi]

i wanna ignore datisi so much but last time someone did a bs push on me based on meta they turned out to be scum :rosejudge:

so maybe ill just ignore him, hes the clown anyways

didn't you call me town for my meta push on you lmfao

[Datisi]

@datisi, can you give me the tl;dr for your change in read on marci? You seemed pretty deadset that she's obvscum a few pages ago.

there is no change, i still think she's a scumfuck

i just thought the corwin wagon could be good for the game since he was kinda scummy to me (and i don't like sitting on one wagon if it's going nowhere, and the marci wagon felt like that) and now i scumread corwin even more than before and people are actually interested here so here i am

make no mistake, i still want to murder marci if that's whta you're wondering, as evident by me pointing out more reasons why i think she's scum this morning

[Datisi]

i didn't post this >.>

lmfao sorry, i accidentally quoted both posts and didn't realize that i edited them wrong

[Datisi]

Probs been pointed out already, but kind of weird to me that Marci has been saying she's up for a Corwin wagon for a fair bit: 670 855 and 863 all imply a scum read and willingness to launch him but now there's a wagon on him and she isn't joining it.
Also worth noting Corwin seems averse to a Marci wagon.

Bad post. He already has 5 votes. Marci joining would be poor play.

… You know what her alignment is?

i think corwin and marci are not scum/scum based on this

mostly because, if they are scum together, then marci was planning to distance from corwin. probably because it was agreed in scumchat that he's likely to die early so they went with it. but you'd expect that once there's a wagon on corwin, she'd so what was being planned and actually... hype it up and join it? because not doing so literally defeats the whole point of the bus?

like, if she's hoping the pressure passes on its own, and even if it does, he's likely to die anyway, and then she looks worse due to the fact she distanced early

not a fan of this conclusion myself since, if i'm right, it means i am going wrong with townreading someone, but it is what it is.

[Datisi]

can i also intent to hammer? :>

[Datisi]

VOTE: corwin

[Datisi]

oh i just had a different thought

scamper can be not-lockscum for what i said earlier

[Datisi]

there is a universe that i thought we were in, which made scamper scum for something earlier

i just realized why we're not in that specific universe

so disregard the idea i had a bit ago

[Datisi]

Why was Scamper scum earlier again?

i assumed something which i realized is not true

[Datisi]

you don't get notified that you were blocked

[Datisi]

i am lowkey inclined to power through this claim because i don't think we can ever actually learn corwin's alignment from the claim

i also wouldn't cry if we yeet marci instead

[Datisi]

actually i will go check something brb

[Datisi]

actually i will go check something brb

okay this isn't helpful

i think i am willing to power through the claim on the basis of what ausuka said about pooky probably being more likely to put in a wacky role than simply jailkeeper

reminds me of a game where all townies had a role that was a wordsalad, and then my buddy claimed "follower" lmao

[Datisi]

lmfao pooky i saw that lock

[Datisi]

unironically can we kill corwin now

[Datisi]

nah bella scumclaimed
I caught a grammatical error that indicates she backtracked on calling Corwin town and instead opted to just say she was leaving him alone for today

oh, i see

i don't think it's a scumlock because of an obvious explanation, but lol, nice catch.

can we kill corwin now pls.

[Datisi]

that's still y-1

[Datisi]

is that truly a hammer or do i have to do things still

[Datisi]

bless

lmk if there's anything aimed at me before threadlock, otherwise see y'all tomorrow

[Datisi]

VOTE: marci

still think she's scummy and my one reason for thinking she's unaligned with corwin is gone because corwin flipped traitor and not maf.

more at some point maybe.

[Datisi]

Hi corwin! Are you town now?

Are we on the same team this time? I think so since BBT isn't here.

So uh

i have seen iconeum crumb in a similar fashion before, but corwin strikes me as a much more careful player than someone who would do That. so thinking bella is town, still.

[Datisi]

i truly cannot believe iconeum rolled scum against me once more, that is heartbreaking

VOTE: iconeum

@mod

(and everyone else), i'm vla every tuesday and thursday bc uni schedule is hell those days

so we finally roll scum together, and ur already bussing me? nice

VOTE: datisi

this was a traitor crumb i saw once lmao

but yeah i think bella is town.

[Datisi]

i believe the term is lolcatting

[Datisi]

What this means is: The chance is pretty high that both scum voted for Corwin at some point.

how does the prior text follow into this?

[Datisi]

- i think ausuka, gamma. and

datisi

are all

probable town

on play

what

[Datisi]

i still kinda lowkey think datisis scummy tho

are you gonna explain this or?

[Datisi]

okay yeah nothing too important happened

i'm tired as all hell after today's shift and will be passing out shortly, gonna attempt to give this game some attention tomorrow morning before work. good night :>

[Datisi]

yes

does that equate a townread?

i'm asking bc i don't remember you townreading me yesterday and i'm curious where it came from; if you did tr me yday then sorry for being lazy i guess

[Datisi]

im thinking freedom/std are town on play, not because of hood mech spec or anything

why are they town on play?

on a related note, can you two give some reads now that we have flips pls?

[Datisi]

std might be scum, his reads are lmao and "datisi's push could be scum trying to--" what makes you think it's that as opposed to town pushing someone they think is scum.

also scumreading shoshin is a bit wack because how is that play scummy as opposed to stubborn town

@std can you please respond to these two, thank you

[Datisi]

still thinking ausuka and bella are town

scamper is spewed town from corwin's iso, and i think crescent's play around corwin really isn't scum

i don't remember why i was townreading gamma, but i'm gonna trust past!datisi

and with great sorrow i announce that i found a progression from marcistar that, in this economy, i really doubt comes from scum

so that leaves: alex, johnny, std, freedom

VOTE: johnny

i'm gonna sheep scamper for the time being. i'll try to figure out what's what at some point

[Datisi]

v/la for a few days

i got sick. got a negative test currently, but i feel like shit. will try to follow along, but don't expect much.

[Datisi]

hey std, remember when we were in that game where skitter was getting sussed and i correctly read the gamestate and made her do the kill at the right time, which lead to a false soft inno on her

not saying that's what's happening here, but it's not a given johnny is town

also i doubt std does This as scum, so my pool is even more narrow than before so what's up

[Datisi]

really? wasn't he collectively null at best at eod1?

[Datisi]

Datisi what's the progression you found?

Spoiler:

ur so buddy buddy

in before

I see.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think the scummy stuff necessarily needs to be looked at through the lens of a scum strategy.

This is a good point.
Not everybody strategises as scum. Some people as scum panic and do ridiculous things like locking into a minigame that is the easiest for scum in GotF early.

noo can we pretend it was planned... my egos shattered....
early game is easiest to find if im scum i think since ill panic easier... but my associatives always suck ass too so

can we vote corwin

Explain.
Is it to do with their push on STD?

no
its bcuz of the buddy buddying!!

in before

I see.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think the scummy stuff necessarily needs to be looked at through the lens of a scum strategy.

This is a good point.
Not everybody strategises as scum. Some people as scum panic and do ridiculous things like locking into a minigame that is the easiest for scum in GotF early.

noo can we pretend it was planned... my egos shattered....
early game is easiest to find if im scum i think since ill panic easier... but my associatives always suck ass too so

can we vote corwin

Explain.
Is it to do with their push on STD?

no
its bcuz of the buddy buddying!!

I see.
Where did STD buddy Corwin?

not that

i think corwin buddy buddied bellaphant

i don't think that main-scum, who is aware that there is a traitor in the game, goes out and attacks someone for "buddying". i think that buddying is something they'd actively be on the lookout for from their traitor, so it's counter-intuitive to be making false cases on people getting "buddied" because that's something they're currently looking for.

but even if she did to this^^, then i think there would've been a progression of "aha, i said corwin is buddying bella!! corwin flipped traitor!! therefore xyz" and not whatever 1679 is, which was also made after she was specifically asked, as opposed to immediately/early

[Datisi]

JF has 8 posts today.

6 have absolutely no value.

7th is basically sheeping me on Scamper. Also says Scamper needs to re-examine his thought process.. At least Scampwe has a thought process.

The other is his one true content post that says the most likely scum on Corwin is Gamma, and 36 hours later we still don't have a reason why. It kinda looks like he ripped someone right out of the POE in my wall without thinking it through.

He voiced some very light suspicion on Gamma in #634 yesterday, but the reason is very vague and an excuse is made not to pursue it. We still don't know what Gamma did towards me that spurred it.

I love how I start the day by saying the most likely POE is Alex + Datisi or Gamma, and it's specifically those 3 people now sitting on Johnny after Scamper's unvote.

the fact that these two posts come from the same person, only a page apart, is hilarious

no, i'm not unvoting a scummy slot just because there's an unreliable "clear" on them

[Datisi]

why is johnny town

[Datisi]

lol

would you rather wagon gamma or alex

[Datisi]

VOTE: gamma emerald

pew pew

[Datisi]

i still think bella is more likely town than not due to softing her role and due to surely, surely the mafia traitor not playing around his main scumbuddies like that (surely?)

but i'm not actually that sure in it so if she got run up to claim, i wouldn't cry about it

[Datisi]

VOTE: alex

meh

gamma's vote on bella is actually maybe crazy enough that i don't think scum thinks of it? idk lole

[Datisi]

im twon

[Datisi]

It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been.

you know what would help with this

running some fuckers up

who are you voting for?

[Datisi]

sooooooooo

anyone gonna join me on the alex wagon then?

[Datisi]

VOTE: bella

sure

[Datisi]

i still think bella is more likely town than not due to softing her role and due to surely, surely the mafia traitor not playing around his main scumbuddies like that (surely?)

but i'm not actually that sure in it so if she got run up to claim, i wouldn't cry about it

^^

also my standards are getting lower and i want things to actually happen.

[Datisi]

Datisi has voted 5 different people today and his vote tends to move as soon as momentum for his current wagon dies down.

yes. i want things to happen. wagon on a person generally forces them to do things. if there's not a wagon building on them, i can help build another one. it's not rocket surgery.

i think the only two things that need to be said in response to alex's "case" is
- he's looking at a thing i am doing, and attaching a scum!motivation to it without considering what a town!motivation for it could be.
- i'm not townreading bella strongly enough anymore to be against the wagon on her. the weird softclaim was townie in the moment, but looking back it's nowhere near as it felt.

also, the idea that scum!me would be "just looking to kill someone" is lel but alex doesn't know me so this is excusable.

[Datisi]

I know his role is probably complicated and confusing to him too given this game but we also have datisi in this game who is literally a NRG member so outing it will only help with that. Idk

i am also someone who loves making up complex normal setups and setting up weird role interactions, so. and even if you're worried i'm scum, role mechanics isn't something i can lie about due to everything being written out on the wiki.

[Datisi]

yeah it still could be johnny. i'm just really dumb

not to be rolefishing or anything, but can you just out what you are at this point? i still suspect johnny, the recent posts give me zero (0) faith in him being town, and the weird mech-clear-but-not-really is derailing that

[Datisi]

my first instinct is to call alex scum for making a case that's building on an objectively true event, and then twisting it into a scum-motivated thing without looking for town motivation.

unfortunately, i've had it before where a townie made a "wow datisi jumping votes datisi scum???" case on me, so rip.

i'm not sure 1902 comes from an alex/bella team, though, which is kind of sad because that was my working theory when voting bella. (inb4 you ask, yes i was still suspecting johnny at the time, yes my mind works in mysterious ways, shut up)

[Datisi]

yeah, that's what i'm thinking about

especially since my progression on bella could very easily be argued to be a bus

[Datisi]

I'm hesitant to vote there in case I'm wrong and she's actually a town PR

we already have one power role outed (not counting ausuka)

mafia had a blocking role that is dead, which means they probably don't have super strong roles left so they can't interfere with them

hesitance to vote someone who can be town power is noted, but sometimes relying on mech is going to hinder winning the game rather than help it

[Datisi]

freedom, what do your reads look like right now?

[Datisi]

Unless Roden implied somewhere here or

in the hood

that he was more than just a neighbour.

@std, did this happen?

[Datisi]

I hope there are 2 ascetic millers in the game

That would be an excellent meme game

i once played in a game that had two millers

day 1 went as well as you expect

[Datisi]

any second now...

[Datisi]

Actually yeah, fuck it, probably is for the best rather than risking it on MyLo/LyLo

I'm VT

well shit

i can confirm that alex is vanilla (idk if he's a town one)

i was planning on claiming a guilty and seeing what he claims, but also i just woke up so rip

we doing the massclaim?

[Datisi]

VOTE: johnny

i see he's online, he should claim asap.

[Datisi]

well fuck me, i sort of believe that claim, just by the speed of it.

so either the scumteam is the ultimate meme of gamma/marci, or i'm going wrong somewhere. bleh.

[Datisi]

town one shot novice complex vigilante

[Datisi]

town one shot novice complex vigilante

[Datisi]

i was originally planning to blast freedom because confirmed non-vt

but i think i recall pooky making a mafia traitor + 3 townies hood before, plus i did some Research and i thought freedom was town

so i just went for the next person i thought was scum

in retrospect, it obviously would've been better if i'd saved it but lole

[Datisi]

well if i'd known there was another vig that was about to put us in evens, i would've waited

i thought alex was scummy and my big brain setup specc told me remaining scum are probably not vanilla

[Datisi]

yeah uh, a part of the reason why i was playing sorta scummily the whole game was because i was counting on the fact i can confirm myself

then last night i actually convinced myself freedom was town and lol

[Datisi]

pooky's attempt to steal the "most unhinged moderator of the normal queue" title from me

[Datisi]

can we finish the massclaim so that johnny can out the result pls

[Datisi]

town one shot novice complex vigilante

Can you ELI5 what this does compared to simple vig?

one bullet

can't use it n1

fails if i target a vanilla

[Datisi]

Explain that to me?

traitor was bulletproof, so it's a scum i can't kill, AND he was a jailkeeper so that can block me

i thought it was only fair that i can murder the other two scum (and also it made sense to me if roden's role was supposed to be a some sorta neap)

to be fair, that was before i knew just how bonkers this setup is and that also there is another vig in the game, so what do i know lole

[Datisi]

i realized i don't have a good grasp on the game and reads and i wanted to wagon people to fix it

[Datisi]

alexcellent, read the game

and also claim

[Datisi]

slay

johnny, results?

[Datisi]

i realized i don't have a good grasp on the game and reads and i wanted to wagon people to fix it

......

ok

people do nothing

if people have 5 votes on them

people can't do nothing anymore

[Datisi]

unless you're bellaphant in which case not only can you do nothing, you can replace out when you're at y-1 when you're an easily confirmable town role and it would take you approximately 5 seconds to type that and submit it, i guess?

[Datisi]

a traffic analyst in a neighborhood game

also don't forget that the traffic analyst is simple, so like half the chance his checks fail too

in theory, this is three confirmable town power roles (two vigs + friendly neighbour) plus additional clears from the ta

the issue being that all the roles are so gated, the game is swingy as utter shit

and in an average run, at least some of the complex/simple roles are gonna fail

so i might even say this is whatever, especially if scum is loaded, which they might as well be

[Datisi]

VOTE: gamma

meh

someone convince me it's not gamma/marci i guess

[Datisi]

actually why did i clear johnny again

would scum claim vt there first? don't see why not necessarily

can scum have a goon? probably, this is a pooky game

[Datisi]

alex*, not johnny

[Datisi]

VOTE: gamma

meh

someone convince me it's not gamma/marci i guess

How about the fact that leaves 2 fucking VTs when typically in my exp the minimum tends to range out at 4
Turn on your fucking brain asshole

i have seen 13p games with 2 vt's.

stop acting like a piece of shit, thanks.

[Datisi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85010

three vt's, but whatever

[Datisi]

what's the argument? wagonomics?

[Datisi]

new hot take

alex/johnny?

[Datisi]

i wish roden and std were still alive, they'd know to reverse volume clear me

[Datisi]

i wish roden and std were still alive, they'd know to reverse volume clear me

[Datisi]

volume clear is when you clear someone because they're posting too much for their scumrange

i'd be efforting much more if i were scum here lole

i think my issue here is that nobody instinctually makes sense as scum. like, johnny does, but like he doesn't strike me as a type of scum player to come up with the claim he did come up, yknow. unless he's scum with like, idk, ausuka or something. and i don't wanna think about that

[Datisi]

I've seen scum!Datisi a couple times now and this isn't it. If you don't have much of an opinion on him then he's very likely town; he's generally high activity as scum and working hard to make people want to keep him around and empathize with him.

eh maybe he's town i dunno. i think scum datisi would have more wall-y posts

look

do you think i make these kills at night

wake up sheeple

[Datisi]

if i was right on marci all along and got sidetracked for bullshit, i'm not gonna be happy
what are marci's reads right now anyway?

[Datisi]

the person I’m basing my psych profile of this sort of play on (Koba)

lmfao

[Datisi]

gamma, who is scum?

[Datisi]

*cough* gamma/marci *cough*

[Datisi]

also i don't feel like there are two scum in the vt claims? the simple roles would work better with a fair amount of vts i think

that's true, but also outguessing mod-pooky sounds like something that's designed to get us to kill ourselves.

[Datisi]

i think my issue here is that nobody instinctually makes sense as scum. like, johnny does, but like he doesn't strike me as a type of scum player to come up with the claim he did come up, yknow. unless he's scum with like, idk, ausuka or something. and i don't wanna think about that

would pooky put a mafia doctor voyeur in the game?

hmmm. the role would be a direct counter to std's vig (both target vanillas), but it could keep roden's target alive. AND it would act as a vanilla cop.

overall... i actually could see it happen, i guess? especially since the jailkeeper is a traitor, so they can't really coordiante their jalikeep well

[Datisi]

gamma has made such posts towards me both as town and as scum, can confirm

[Datisi]

it is angry! i don't like when people introduce information that shakes my very nice worldview of the game

[Datisi]

freedom, do you care at all about who gets killed today?

[Datisi]

this is a game that i was thinking of during the night btw

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13296575

where pooky said he likes putting townies + scum traitor in a hood

i know expecting him to repeat setups can be foolish, but /shrug

[Datisi]

i don't see how that is relevant

[Datisi]

Datisi you have been on MS more recently than me, do you think Gamma's Push on me is something he's capable of actually believing?

i think so

tbf i have no clue what the push even is and i'd maybe have stronger opinions if he actually posted about it, but /shrug

i'm gonna be very mad if freedom turns out to be scum bc i was this close to shooting him last night

[Datisi]

i'm not opposed to wagoning him up to make him talk, if that wasn't clear

same with johnny

[Datisi]

VOTE: freedom

pocket go brrr

[Datisi]

-_-
this honestly feels like you're mocking me, which like, fucking rude mate?

hmm

echant is a loose cannon, maybe gain some fucking context!

you're using low-effort axioms rather than actually thinking about what alex is posting
it could be a bus, anything could be a fucking bus! actually think about whether THIS is a bus you numpty!

Holy fucking shit Fenrir, your skull is denser than a neutron star

How about the fact that leaves 2 fucking VTs when typically in my exp the minimum tends to range out at 4
Turn on your fucking brain asshole

hmm

[Datisi]

johnny, you should vote for someone you think is scum then?

[Datisi]

?

is that a tilt vote? because i made no claims about alignments in that post for you to call me game-of-mafia-bad for

pedit: lmao

[Datisi]

how am i "reading into them"

am i not allowed to point out where you're being rude?

[Datisi]

no, i'm trying to imply that you calling me rude for mocking your "datisi/ausuka are pocketing one another" theory that has been justified just by "they voted together a few times" is actually fucking hilarious considering the fact that you have, in this game, called other people a numpty, said they're dense, and called them an asshole without a brain (obviously not the same person, but point stands).

i swear like a sailor, i'd be scum every single game i play if i judged "profanity" as a scum trait

[Datisi]

/shrug. you called me rude first, which i'm assuming wasn't game-related, but sure.

[Datisi]

has freedom done anything townie yet

also for the record i am also very cool with a johnny wagon too, so if freedom starts being townie of smt i can vote there (this is mostly a warning to johnny to start actually doing things k thx)

[Datisi]

oh shit 2275 is over i can talk about it now

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89627

basically this is a lot of the reason why i did not murder freedom last night. i saw that shoshin had flipped scum here, so i used this game to compare to her play here. and basically i came to the conclusion that she was much more aggressive and less apologetic here, so i kinda started thinking she's town for it lole

[Datisi]

freedom, are you an alt?

[Datisi]

did she say you're scum THO???

[Datisi]

is this marci behaviour possible w her being scum

i don't actually have knowledge of late game scum marci