Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Freedom]

Before, I finish my read through,
UNVOTE: Crescent
I like their ISO.
I'll comment more later.

[Freedom]

Before, I finish my read through,
UNVOTE: Crescent
I like their ISO.
I'll comment more later.

445 is a good example of what I like.

[Freedom]

marci, if you don't mind, do you think that there are any posts that I should be focusing on?
I have given up on my readthrough.
I don't get your early SR on Ausuka.
Was that only a RVS read?
Ascetic Miller could definitely exist with an Enabler as somebody said before. (I forgot who.)

[Freedom]

VOTE: marci

i think ausuka is town for the simple reason i've never seen scum claim miller and i'm running with it until proven otherwise

still think marci is scum and i'll be looking at everyone who is ignoring weighing in on this discussion

Been feeling town on Datisi based largely on posts like these. Second post read as though he's trying to force activity and discussion and prevent people from ignoring the whole Ausuka/Marci thing, which felt pro-town to me.
Gut feeling is also that I don't think scum immediately calls Ausuka's claim town but maybe I'm bad at scum.

Happy to be corrected though

P-edit: l-word brah

my problem is these are posts from the first 3 pages of the game and since then hes done not much at all, and while you could probably say that about half the players in the game i dont particularly find it towny...

Personally, based on the context, Alex seems all right.
Worst case scenario, it could be an attempt at justifying a TR but I've seen Town do that before.
As for Datisi, I think that I'll have him at null.

[Freedom]

it wasnt a comment on alex's alignment just me disagreeing with his reasoning for his read

I see.
Sorry for the misinterpretation.

[Freedom]

@mod

Ignore my 550.
I didn't realise that Shosin was voting Datisi.

[Freedom]

@mod

Ignore my 550.
I didn't realise that Shoshin was voting Datisi.

EBWOP

[Freedom]

And on the note about Corwin going after SYD's VLA... That VLA was made at virtually the start of the game, in post #56. It kinda ended up a little bit irrelevant anyway because SYD has still been around and posting, albeit at a low clip (Tied with Bella for lowest poster). I don't really understand the basis behind attacking it. It feels kinda dirty.

I agree.
STD made a brilliant take in 279 which I don't think that he'll ever post as scum.
Though, I know that he's wrong on who scum is in our hood.

[Freedom]

@mod

Ignore my 550.
I didn't realise that Shosin was voting Datisi.

So are you intending to be not voting, or still on Datisi?

I intended not to unvote.

[Freedom]

STD made a brilliant take in 279 which I don't think that he'll ever post as scum.

Can you explain this? I think the neighborhood thing would not be particularly difficult for scum to do and am confused as to why you found it towny.

He had no reason to want to make us think that scum was in the hood. He could easily convince us that we should use the hood as a psuedo-Masonry and hunt for scum outside. But instead, he takes the risky move of saying that scum could be in our hood.
Though, my POV is affected by the fact that I am in the hood.

[Freedom]

STD made a brilliant take in 279 which I don't think that he'll ever post as scum.

Can you explain this? I think the neighborhood thing would not be particularly difficult for scum to do and am confused as to why you found it towny.

He had no reason to want to make us think that scum was in the hood. He could easily convince us that we should use the hood as a psuedo-Masonry and hunt for scum outside. But instead, he takes the risky move of saying that scum could be in our hood.
Though, my POV is affected by the fact that I am in the hood.

I think anyone suggesting that a four player hood be seen as a masonry would be scumread for it so I don't think that's an approach scum are especially likely to take?

I see.
I didn't know this.
Though TBH if he suggested that we shoud pretend to be Masons, I would probably have fallen for it.
Now, you're maing me doubt my TR on STD.

[Freedom]

Now I want a glimpse into the universe where four people claimed Mason on d1

That's a good point.
Nobody would do that.

[Freedom]

Draggo I liked for the hood reveal until just recently, and they haven't posted much besides? Or if they did I don't remember?

STD didn't post since a day ago. But I think that it's likely because he's busy.

[Freedom]

Datisi, if I'm interpreting correctly, you think that STD's inactivity is NAI and that Corniwoid's attacks on it is bad?

[Freedom]

Datisi, if I'm interpreting correctly, you think that STD's inactivity is NAI and that Corniwoid's attacks on it is bad?

i think std is off doing whatever it is that americans do on 4th of july, and that calling that out is probably icky -- tho i wanna hear the justification for it

I see.
I would like to hear a justification too. (At least more than saying that it wasn't meant as an attack)
I don't think that they have, in the game thread or our hood.
On another note, I like your latest posts so I'll
UNVOTE: Datisi

[Freedom]

like, i'm not talking about it wrt moral in mafia (even though it is kinda yikes attacking people for v/la), i'm talking about it wrt content because i cannot figure out what is supposed to be the scum motivation for "i'm in a hood. ok cool bye"

This is a really good point.
STD was obviously excited about our hood.
He was clearly enthused in it.
Even if he wasn't on V/LA, there's no scum motivation for not posting in one day after telling everybody about the hood.

[Freedom]

My content BARELY sucks

case and point

You mean 'case in point'?
Also, why do you think that Datisi could be trying to push a mislim on marci?
I see no reason why scum wants to do that D1.
It's much more beneficial for scum!Datisi to do that during ELO.

[Freedom]

My content BARELY sucks

case and point

You mean 'case in point'?
Also, why do you think that Datisi could be trying to push a mislim on marci?
I see no reason why scum wants to do that D1.
It's much more beneficial for scum!Datisi to do that during ELO.

by that same logic why would scum push any mislim on day 1, though...

That's true.
But marci is said to be LHF, so it'll be beneficial to leave her in ELO and then get her limmed.

[Freedom]

I hate STD's posts btw

Why?
He seems fine to me.

[Freedom]

johnny - posted pretty much nothing content kind of sucks

corwinoid - in the hood hasn't done much yet

datisi - i think the push on marci could be scum trying to mislim a town

freedom - in the hood, for the sins of shoshin

this is the closest thing he has to hunting and like maybe I can write an actual post on it tomorrow but it's 3am right now, this just feels wolfy af

I mean STD has a fairly similar playstyle as town but I feel like in our last game together he was significantly better than this?

Does no one else see it

From a quick skimthrough of Micro 1056 (which I believe is the latest game that he was Town in), I think that he is acting relatively similarly. Though, he wrote more in the quoted post than in his posts in Micro 1056.
Maybe his towngame changed.
IDK
His other posts in this game are fine.

[Freedom]

I think his pushes suck. Like literally all four of them

I agree somewhat.
I think that of his proposed pushes, only the one on JF can be justified (based on how you interpret).
The one on Corniwoid could be justified but his justification seems to be mainly because Corniwoid hasn't posted much in the hood.

[Freedom]

Basic assumptions about balance like you shouldn't put 2 vigs in a 12 player game, or you shouldn't make ICs bulletproof, or you shouldn't put three mafia doctors in a gunsmith game? Normal mods can and do mess with players in this way. Maybe it's pointless to talk in circles about it though.

This sounds like one of Datisi's games.

Because my suspicion of Datisi has been lighter than my suspicion of Marci and then Marci started openwolfing

I mean the post I quoted alone has to be the scummiest thing in this game so far? Marci gets pushed, seems to completely crumble under pressure, insists she's sure Dats is scum, and then turns around and says 'oh Dats you're so silly tunneling me here! btw I'm going to go lurk now for Better Reads or whatever'

I agree.
That sounds very like scum!marci, at least per Micro 1056 which Datisi mentioned. I'm pretty sure that when Faker called her scum, she started saying things like:

PLEASE you're scum

Though, she didn't switch back.
So, maybe this could be town!marci?

[Freedom]

Datisi votes Marci in #41, which Marci doesn't even register until #383 when she susses him. He is then the focus of almost every post she makes afterwards.

She only counters him in #450 because Shoshin asks her to vote there. This is the actual reason the vote was placed to begin with.

Also possibly interesting: When Ausuka and Datisi moved off of Marci to Alex in #331 and #332, Marci was left with VOTE: 0 people voting her.

She has barely any reaction to the votes on her until her train is already dead.

That's interesting.
This does feel like how scum!marci interacted with town!Faker in Micro 1056.

[Freedom]

@Freedom

what’s the hood like rn?

Mainly me and Roden talking about a typo that I made and then about marci's wagon. Though, STD popped in earlier and mentioned some TRs including you. Corwin made one post regarding my take on JF and scamper.

[Freedom]

not sure why freedom is saying talking about elo and not pushing things through on d1, but like. (1) i definitely do shitpush people through as scum on d1, (2) faker said that marci gets more obvious as the game goes on. if i'm scum and i see town!marci acting scummy early on, i am gonna be trying to capitalize on that immediately. so make of that what you will.

inb4 "but if you're town, why not let marci be for a while so you can--" because i think she's scummy now, and the last time i thought she was scummy now, she was scum, and i want a dead scumfuck on d1.

I see.
I was mainly saying what I would want to do as scum.
Though, it's purely hypothetical.

[Freedom]

Datisi, what does inb4 mean by the way?

[Freedom]

in before

I see.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think the scummy stuff necessarily needs to be looked at through the lens of a scum strategy.

This is a good point.
Not everybody strategises as scum. Some people as scum panic and do ridiculous things like locking into a minigame that is the easiest for scum in GotF early.

[Freedom]

can we vote corwin

Explain.
Is it to do with their push on STD?

[Freedom]

can we vote corwin

Explain.
Is it to do with their attack on STD?

EBWOP

[Freedom]

in before

I see.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think the scummy stuff necessarily needs to be looked at through the lens of a scum strategy.

This is a good point.
Not everybody strategises as scum. Some people as scum panic and do ridiculous things like locking into a minigame that is the easiest for scum in GotF early.

noo can we pretend it was planned... my egos shattered....
early game is easiest to find if im scum i think since ill panic easier... but my associatives always suck ass too so

can we vote corwin

Explain.
Is it to do with their push on STD?

no
its bcuz of the buddy buddying!!

I see.
Where did STD buddy Corwin?

[Freedom]

i think corwin buddy buddied bellaphant

I see.
Can you link the post for me?

[Freedom]

i think its some bs happenong rn it just feels like running in circles tho

What do you think is?

[Freedom]

Hm. On a side note, I just remembered Alex constantly trying to get Shoshin to notice Corwin.

I don't know if Alex would do that if they were scum together.

I think that scum could do so.
It isn't exactly clearing.
Especially, if people like to replicate their towngame as scum.
But then, in all, it's probably NAI.

[Freedom]

I don't like 1018 and the bottom of 1027.
It feels needlessly defensive from Corwin to scamper's 1016 and as STD said in 1029, "pratically TMIing" them as Town.
Regarding, 1016, I think that it actually fairly good analysis from scamper and I concur with it.
VOTE: Corwin

[Freedom]

Your defense of corwinoid is noted

This is towards JF and not Gamma, right?

[Freedom]

Though my reasons for distrusting Alex are completely independent of Corwin, and he did vote Johnny over him when frankly Corwin had done even less than Johnny.

STD could be partially right on his solve.
It's highly possible that he misread you and that JF/Corwin/Alex is the solve.

[Freedom]

I don't know if she has a history of bussing, though she doesn't strike me as the type to bus towards unpressured teammates.

Correct me if I'm wrong, she seems to be more interested in distancing than bussing to my knowledge.

[Freedom]

Corwin mentioned in the hood that they're separating themself from the game for a bit, partially because of Crescent but also because IRL stuff happened apparently.

They're also accusing Crescent of playing the complete opposite as she did when she was town in the Mini that got brought up. So uh, basically a "no u" argument.

Oh that.
Corwin did say that Crescent was reasonably attempting at progress in this game opposed to her towngame in 2272 or something.
I might've misinterpreted their post.

[Freedom]

same

I agree.
His inquiries seem like a genuine attempt at solving.

[Freedom]

goodjob datisi!! wanting to laugh is totally a scum motivation!!

That seems like a misrep to me.
Datisi was saying that scum!you argues for arguing's sake, not scum!you wants to laugh.

[Freedom]

Good point.
So it's very likely that marci's scum with Corwin.

[Freedom]

I think that I now TR Gamma more after that exchange with Ausuka.
I don't think hewould defend marci this much if he was scum.
Unless marci and Gamma are T/S but I don't think that this seems likely.

[Freedom]

NM spent all of 2273 shitposting and trolling the game. Host refused to force him into any content and he wasted a town slot all game. It sure pissed me off, but he was getting off on the incessant trash NM was spewing. What kinda trolling was in that newbie game?

Mm I took a catnap. Meow.

Probably one of those people who try a backfiring gambit or one of those people who hammer randomly.
I guess?

[Freedom]

I mean Corwin's posts were obviously terrible

I was hoping he would post some more while I was asleep but no

Don't want to vote there because lolhammers but yeah

You think someone in this player list would lolhammer?
I don't think we have any blatant players like that except maybe Marci but think that's a death sentence for her if Corwin is town

marci would never lolhammer regardless of her alignment from my knowledge of both her towngame and scumgame.
She just isn't the sort to lolhammer.

[Freedom]

okay
what abt freedom?

Sorry.
Forgot about this game.
Catching up now.

[Freedom]

If there are 4 neighbours, an ascetic Miller and whatever Bella is, does a JK really fit here?

i mean, any of the neighbours could be scum

True, actually I forgot Corwin’s a neighbour

“Town Neighbour Jailkeeper”

Does this sound like a thing?

It's probable. There's no reason why a Town JK Neighbor couldn't exist.
However, this wouldn't match up with Ausuka and Bella. There would be too many Town PRs and suggest that Mafia has some fancy PRs too.

[Freedom]

Which part?

[Freedom]

There would be too many Town PRs and suggest that Mafia has some fancy PRs too.

This part

It was in my opinion that Normal Games are usually not Role Madness and 4 Town PRs seems a bit too much for the norm.

okay
what abt freedom?

Sorry.
Forgot about this game.
Catching up now.

How is that what you see coming in?

It was the first unread post.

[Freedom]

Who are the potential four town PRs?

Ausuka/Bella/Corwin/???

Unless you're counting the hood?

I am.
I know that I'm Town.
Therefore, at least 4 Town PRs.

[Freedom]

Feels a bit weird, thought you searched your name

All right. I lied a bit.
I was on another account when I realised that people were still posting in this game. I had thought that it was Twilight and when I realised my mistake, I quoted the first unread post on that account which coincidentally contained my name.
Then, I copy-pasted the quote over and made that post.

[Freedom]

Who are the potential four town PRs?

Ausuka/Bella/Corwin/???

Unless you're counting the hood?

I am.
I know that I'm Town.
Therefore, at least 4 Town PRs.

If Hoods counted as a PR, then MM2272 had 6 town PRs.

I see.
But that seems to be a one-off incident to my knowledge.

[Freedom]

I think I wouldn't mind hearing from another hood member first if they can verify that what Corwin said in 1491 checks out.
Also it might be worth checking if he said all that stuff about her read in the hood chat before or after mini 2273 ended because I think the timing of that can be relevant.

He called her narcissistic before Mini 2273 ended but Roden's partially right in thar it was after it ended that he conceded his read.

[Freedom]

Can the hood peeps enlighten us on if there was anything noteworthy from Corwin in the hood yesterday?

Mainly telling me that he didn't want his IRL stuff impacting my decision to vote him.
Otherwise, nothing new from him yesterday that was noteworthy.
(I'm pretty sure that I've already talked about his posts on Crescent in my last post.)

[Freedom]

doubts on johnny being scum

elaborate on them for me?

He did in our hood but it's up to him if he wants to share.
It's do to with his role.

[Freedom]

i think STD is town here anyway because scum has no reason to fakeclaim an investigative result on johnny

I agree.
Though, I think that his result might have arisen from his confusion on what his role did.
He claimed that his role would roleblock non-Vanillas in addition to having a different result on Vanilla roles.
However, when I guessed a role which wouldn't do that, he said that I was correct.
This means that he might've misinterpreted what his role did and thought that he cleared Johnny of making the kill.

[Freedom]

i think STD is town here anyway because scum has no reason to fakeclaim an investigative result on johnny

I agree.
Though, I think that his result might have arisen from his confusion on what his role did.
He claimed that his role would roleblock non-Vanillas in addition to having a different result on Vanilla roles.
However, when I guessed a role which wouldn't do that, he said that I was correct.
This means that he might've misinterpreted what his role did and thought that he cleared Johnny of making the kill.

oh

well some clarity there would be helpful but im not really sure i wanna go for JF right now
there's basically no resistance to voting him and he barely seems to care when scum are already down a teammate, so if hes mafia i dont really have any idea who his partner is supposed to be...

I'll ask STD first.

[Freedom]

iactually do lowkey think dstisis scummy

i think johnnys towny

i thought bellaphant was scummy but thats until datisi decided to wagon there
shes still scummy tho

im fine with a bellaphant wagon
VOTE: bellaphant

marci, could you explain a bit more?

[Freedom]

iactually do lowkey think dstisis scummy

i think johnnys towny

i thought bellaphant was scummy but thats until datisi decided to wagon there
shes still scummy tho

im fine with a bellaphant wagon
VOTE: bellaphant

marci, could you explain a bit more?

no thank you

literally what do u want me to explain more
nothing theres confusing

Uh.
I might've missed the part where you said why Johnny's Towny.
(Especially, since after talking to STD, he might've misread his role and Johnny is not cleared of making the kill.)

[Freedom]

To be clear, the bracketed part was nothing to with marci.

[Freedom]

I still want to hear more from marci regarding the Johnny TR because I'm not sure what he could've done other than STD's 'clear' that would make him blatantly Town.
But then, I might be misinterpreting marci.

[Freedom]

I am confused by the STD role situation and given that he is outed as a PR anyway I don't understand why he's being like, so secretive about it.

The role that STD claimed is essentially the same as Roden's but with the Traffic Analyst swapped with another role which can confirm his alignment (to a degree).
I do share your concern but he didn't seem to express to much of an interest in our hood to roleclaim.

[Freedom]

I am confused by the STD role situation and given that he is outed as a PR anyway I don't understand why he's being like, so secretive about it.

The role that STD claimed is essentially the same as Roden's but with the Traffic Analyst swapped with another role which can confirm his alignment (to a degree).
I do share your concern but he didn't seem to express too much of an interest in our hood to roleclaim.

EBWOP

[Freedom]

freedom, what do your reads look like right now?

Town

STD (His roleclaim seems genuine, his dayplay seems Towny)
scamper (intent to solve, townspewed by Corwin flip)
Datisi / Ausuka / Crescent / Alex / Gamma (intent to solve)
marci (Null)
Bella / Johnny (by PoE)

Mafia

[Freedom]

Unless Roden implied somewhere here or

in the hood

that he was more than just a neighbour.

@std, did this happen?

I'm not STD but he didn't imply anything other than that he loved roles which were like Corwin's.
So that might've implied things.
He did wonder if the remaining Mafia were Goons.
He did make a curious comment too. He remarked that due to Mafia having Multitasking, they have to have at least one PR.

[Freedom]

Unless Roden implied somewhere here or

in the hood

that he was more than just a neighbour.

@std, did this happen?

I'm not STD but he didn't imply anything other than that he loved roles which were like Corwin's.
So that might've implied things.
He did wonder if the remaining Mafia were Goons.
He did make a curious comment too. He remarked that due to Mafia having Multitasking, they have to have at least one PR.

When did he mention that about Corwin's role? Like when Corwin claimed JK?

He said it after the the flip. It was around the start of N1.

[Freedom]

I didn't know the neighbourhood had night talk, I might be dumb

All PTs always have Night Talk in Normals.

[Freedom]

Has marci explained her TR on Johnny yet?
I want to hear her explanation before we end the Day.

[Freedom]

Okay, now that I'm *slightly* less mad - looking at the flip, I'm assuming this means STD targeted johnny on night 1? So that means johnny is a PR since he didn't die?

During N1, the target that STD claimed was Johnny.
This doesn't reveal that Johnny is a PR though.
It might've been that he was protected or STD was prevented from NKing him.
It's somewhat funny that I thought that STD would target Crescent and was thinking of telling him not to in our hood.

[Freedom]

Sorry, Crescent, if you're reading this.

[Freedom]

Okay, now that I'm *slightly* less mad - looking at the flip, I'm assuming this means STD targeted johnny on night 1? So that means johnny is a PR since he didn't die?

During N1, the target that STD claimed was Johnny.
This doesn't reveal that Johnny is a PR though.
It might've been that he was protected or STD was prevented from NKing him.
It's somewhat funny that I thought that STD would target Crescent and was thinking of telling him not to in our hood.

The only thing we know of that could have blocked or protected anyone was the scum JK. I feel like there's reasonable odds that there probably isn't a town doc or anything. I know I'm probably overanalysing and meta gaming but I think a lack of doc/town protection roles would explain why StD was a simple vig and can't kill PRs.
I'm doubting anything else prevented StD from carrying out the kill though, I feel like scum having a JK and RB would be pretty busted. I think it's more likely that scum have an investigative role given the existence of a traitor and that would probably give more credence to the miller claim.

I see.
So you think that if Johnny was protected, it would be by scum?
Either that or he's scum PR, right?

[Freedom]

If Johnny was protected I don't see the reasoning why a townie would do it, and given how many PRs we have already I'm doubting town has further protective powers in any case. At the same time I doubt scum have much means to protect as well given they've lost their JK (unless maybe scum BP?). But in any case I think the most likely explanation is Johnny is a scum PR.

Yeah.
I was thinking that Johnny might be scum Bulletproof if he wasn't a scum PR.

[Freedom]

Are we doing massclaim today? That seems like it would make sense

OK.
I'm Town Neighbor.
(No role attached.)

[Freedom]

@Freedom, did StD say anything in the hood during the night? You two didn't have any discussion about who he should vig or anything at all?

He said nothing during the night.

[Freedom]

So the setup would look something like this?

1. Town Simple Traffic Analyser Neighbour
2. Town Simple Vigilante Neighbour
3. Town Novice Complex Non-Consecutive Friendly Neighbour

4. Town Ascetic Miller Mailman
5. Town Simple Doctor Voyeur
6. Town One-Shot Novice Complex Vigilante
7. Town Neighbour

8. VT

9. VT
10. VT
11. Mafia ??
12. Mafia ??

13. Mafia Bulletproof Traitor Jailkeeper Neighbour

Coloured lines are ones confirmed via flips.

That just feels like way too few VTs for a game that has multiple roles that only get anything out of interacting with a vanilla role.
Crescent was VT. We have myself, Marci, Scamp, Gamma all claiming Vanilla. I assume that at least one scum is probably just a goon. If Corwin wasn't a traitor I'd say it could just be goons left.
Feeling like at least one of those PR claims is bogus. I could see one scum make a claim and the second scum just lay low as VT or something. Idk, I have no hot takes here.

P-edit: lots of posts happening
P-edit 2: I'm not cleared at all.

I thought that Johnny claimed Simple Combined Doctorr Voyeur and Ausuka claimed Ascetic Mille Even-Night Mailman.

[Freedom]

What message did Ausuka send you Freedom?

They claimed their role and said that they figured out that the hood is all PRs, which they thought scum might've done as well after Corwin's flip.
They told me that who they suspected to be scum and told me to crumb in my daystart post, recommending the word 'even' to tell them that I recieved their message.

[Freedom]

What message did Ausuka send you Freedom?

They claimed their role and said that they figured out that the hood is all PRs, which they thought scum might've done as well after Corwin's flip.
They told me that who they suspected to be scum and told me to crumb in my daystart post, recommending the word 'even' to tell them that I recieved their message.

But you're not a PR outside of being a hoody?

Yup.
I'm nothing but a Town Neighbor.

[Freedom]

someone ask me abt stuff while im.in imense pain and laying in bed and maybe ill be forced to answer due to bordem jdjdjsjjd

OK.
Have you explained your Johnny TR?

[Freedom]

only way I think Ausuka can be scum is if they're a mafia mailman and lied about the miller part

I was thinking that too.
But then I didn't think that a Mafia Mailman would target me unless they somehow thought that there were two Traitor Neighbours.
So I am going to trust Ausuka to be Town.

[Freedom]

Eh, I don't think scum!Ausuka would lose anything by mailing you. You're fairly well trusted and townread and can confirm the letter which confirms her mailman claim, which kind of makes her appear more town. The other alternative is you're scum partners together But compared to every other possible team in the game I find this super unlikely.

That's a good point.
She does have nothing to lose.

[Freedom]

freedom, do you care at all about who gets killed today?

I originally wanted Johnny but his claim seems all right so I'm unsure now.

freedom, what do your reads look like right now?

Town

STD (His roleclaim seems genuine, his dayplay seems Towny)
scamper (intent to solve, townspewed by Corwin flip)
Datisi / Ausuka / Crescent / Alex / Gamma (intent to solve)
marci (Null)
Bella / Johnny (by PoE)

Mafia

Freedom are your reads more detailed than who has intent to solve

Who should we murder today

TBH if I didn't read everybody by their intent to solve, I would need to reconsider my reads.
Let me think about it.

[Freedom]

This is what I mean about a lot of teams being unlikely, if it's Freedom scum then it means the hood was 2 towns 2 scum.

I mean it isn't impossible to have a hood with 2 from each alignment.
TBH remember how I said that I was going to reconsider my reads.
I now have Johnny as null.

[Freedom]

If we are going by play and ignoring roles, then from Town to Mafia:

Town

scamper
Ausuka / Datisi / Alex
Gamma / marci
Johnny

Mafia

However, taking into account, role claims, I would move both Johnny and Ausuka up.
And TBH I don't think that scum!Johnny would claim such a complex role as Simple Combined Doctor Voyeur.

[Freedom]

By the way, is there anything you want from me other than posting more?
I would admit that I've been feeling a bit demotivated being too widely TRed.

[Freedom]

I guess I'm wondering why it's demotivating for you to be townread? Does it matter so much how people are reading you?

It does.
When I'm widely TRed for things which aren't super obvtown, it's hard to tell if y'all are trying to pocket me or you genuinely TR me.

[Freedom]

I mean that's fair but there's a lot of other stuff in the game than people's reads on you right?

True.
Though, from what I read, most TRs on me aren't because people like my play.

[Freedom]

So, is there anybody who we should wagon today?
I'm fine wagoning any of my nulls since I lack SRs.

[Freedom]

Like, there's only so much town can do when only half the playerlist seems to be here and actively willing to push people as mafia. This game feels immensely lethargic. There aren't really competing wagons ever and I think it's fair to say that me, Alex and Datisi aren't really town-leader types of players. Gamma and Marci are here but I have no idea what they're doing. I'm finding it difficult to sort people in this environment.

Maybe there's a part of the game that could be reread to help? I don't know.

That's a good idea.
I could also do an ISO dive when I'm less busy.

[Freedom]

@Freedom, who do you want to vote today?

Maybe Johnny or marci?
Even though, I don't exactly SR them, they are my lowest reads rn compared to everybody else.

[Freedom]

I don’t like how half of Johnny’s “town reads” have a qualifier or dampening factor

Good catch.
Though, it could just be that those people are dominating the gamestate and constantly posting things that are likeable.

[Freedom]

I will say I think Freedom's behaviour is fairly clear cut the scummiest of anyone and the role claim is also probably the worst. Shoshin is the only thing that makes me doubt that push.

Why is my claim bad?

[Freedom]

I don’t like how half of Johnny’s “town reads” have a qualifier or dampening factor

Good catch.
Though, it could just be that those people are dominating the gamestate and constantly posting things that are likeable.

where do either of you see that? cuz all of his townreads look pretty unambiguous to me...

I mean he TRed Datisi and Ausuka but also Alex so you're right.

[Freedom]

I don’t like how half of Johnny’s “town reads” have a qualifier or dampening factor

Good catch.
Though, it could just be that those people are dominating the gamestate and constantly posting things that are likeable.

where do either of you see that? cuz all of his townreads look pretty unambiguous to me...

I mean he TRed Datisi and Ausuka but also Alex so you're right.

johnny is town

You still haven't explained.
Is it a gutread?

[Freedom]

But yeah, I was paranoid of his claim at the start of day and there's some early day stuff that I was sceptical about, but if I compare his overall contribution against half the player list it's really difficult to view him as maf.

This somewhat sums up my thoughts on Datisi too.

[Freedom]

I will say I think Freedom's behaviour is fairly clear cut the scummiest of anyone and the role claim is also probably the worst. Shoshin is the only thing that makes me doubt that push.

Why is my claim bad?

I missed this - I think
1) Town needs significant power and also needs plenty of VTs. Both of our roles are effectively useless and therefore fairly unlikely to coexist, although I wouldn't rule it out because loltrollgame and I don't fully understand what balances a normal game.
2) It's somewhat odd you're the only neighbour who's vanilla. I could see you possibly being some form of scummy mafia PR who didn't want to either trueclaim or make up a claim so just claimed vanilla neighbour.

I agree with 1) and the first sentence of 2) but I disagree on the second one. If I was an actual PR, why would I fakeclaim after receiving your Mailman message?
You literally gave me a headsup on what claims I could make and you wouldn't find it bad.
Why ignore you?

[Freedom]

I think Freedom's the winning vote here

You want me to hammer?

[Freedom]

I think Freedom's the winning vote here

You want me to hammer?

I'm not self-hammering, you know?

[Freedom]

I will say I think Freedom's behaviour is fairly clear cut the scummiest of anyone and the role claim is also probably the worst. Shoshin is the only thing that makes me doubt that push.

Why is my claim bad?

I missed this - I think
1) Town needs significant power and also needs plenty of VTs. Both of our roles are effectively useless and therefore fairly unlikely to coexist, although I wouldn't rule it out because loltrollgame and I don't fully understand what balances a normal game.
2) It's somewhat odd you're the only neighbour who's vanilla. I could see you possibly being some form of scummy mafia PR who didn't want to either trueclaim or make up a claim so just claimed vanilla neighbour.

I agree with 1) and the first sentence of 2) but I disagree on the second one. If I was an actual PR, why would I fakeclaim after receiving your Mailman message?
You literally gave me a headsup on what claims I could make and you wouldn't find it bad.
Why ignore you?

I don't think I did?? I said you were probably a PR but that didn't mean you would know what exactly to claim

But I would know that claiming a PR would impress you more than claiming Vanilla.

[Freedom]

I will say I think Freedom's behaviour is fairly clear cut the scummiest of anyone and the role claim is also probably the worst. Shoshin is the only thing that makes me doubt that push.

Why is my claim bad?

I missed this - I think
1) Town needs significant power and also needs plenty of VTs. Both of our roles are effectively useless and therefore fairly unlikely to coexist, although I wouldn't rule it out because loltrollgame and I don't fully understand what balances a normal game.
2) It's somewhat odd you're the only neighbour who's vanilla. I could see you possibly being some form of scummy mafia PR who didn't want to either trueclaim or make up a claim so just claimed vanilla neighbour.

I agree with 1) and the first sentence of 2) but I disagree on the second one. If I was an actual PR, why would I fakeclaim after receiving your Mailman message?
You literally gave me a headsup on what claims I could make and you wouldn't find it bad.
Why ignore you?

I don't think I did?? I said you were probably a PR but that didn't mean you would know what exactly to claim

But I would know that claiming a PR would impress you more than claiming Vanilla.

I think this is has some legitimacy but claiming PR also carries risks - you're more likely to get caught in a lie, and you're more likely to have to explain why you weren't nightkilled, for example

Ah. True.
I would likely get caught lying.

[Freedom]

i just thought it would be fun to play like her on an alt, but it turned out my impression was *too* good, i was laughing to myself that u got paranoid of me because of it

i don't, like, want people to actually think i'm her though because then it would be weird

I thought that you were catboi for some reason.
Also, well done!
I never would've guessed in a million years that you were scum with Johnny.