LOST (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

Hi. This is a lot of pages. Any suggestions on where to start? I will start skimming VCs but places I could target read late tonight after gaming with my sister would help.

[MathBlade]

That’s…a thing. FoS on Galron’s replacement

When Galron is quiet it’s usually a scum tell for him and he’s in the bottom half of post count.

I will ISO him later and see if it is all naked or if it has content.

If his ISO has content it’s not a scum lock but if no content Yeet please.

I’d normally vote Galron here but I have a rule of letting people play first.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Bellaphant, ?, ?, ?, ?]

Why? do you think bella is pocketing me with their latest post?

Objection your honor leading the witness

Are you trying to pocket Titus?

[MathBlade]

Okay Galron has content so NAI for that slot

[MathBlade]

It concerns me, though, that Frog conveniently forgot about mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting. It annoyed the hell out of me that people were up my ass for dealing with life issues, when mala's getting a pass with posts like

why is there 31 pages

NoU

-.-

mew

Actually that he's looking at every *other* low activity player is bothersome.

I like this post a lot. Was this ever explained?

[MathBlade]

@Taly

nah im not feeling the johnny scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

About your Johnny read, I found this and the tail end of 2003

I don't know if pooky town is a hot take. Even with some people here clearly wary of their scumgame, they're still in the top 5 townreads

I saw the PoE stuff, and I was kind of interested to see where he landed with that. But I think you may be overremembering how much discussion you had with them? I didn't find that much beyond asking you to explain some TRs and crossing names off the list.

Looking at their recent posts, I like 2307 though I don't agree with it. Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

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About Galron, it seems to be mostly a metaread and a TvT interaction with Rad. If you could quote some posts where they've done something that is outside their scumrange, that'd be helpful. My general feeling about their posting is in 1106 - another example is the "Challenge me" post that was just ??? random and other tonal stuff like that, and their thought process feels opaque to me.

Posting any sort of content in general is outside their scumrange

Calculasia and a recent scum game with Titus demonstrates this.

I was just thinking panicking scum by the replace out but on looking at their ISO it has content so the replace out is NAI prolly.

[MathBlade]

Also:

I was townreading Corwin - I think that he genuinely believes in 1742, and 1763 looks like a fairly complex thought even if I disagree with its conclusions.

Neither of these posts make me feel like the slot is more likely town.


1742 - I am not sure what makes this complex? The concrete points made are
:Reads lists bad.
:Maybe pocketing Bell??

The reads list one is super vague, does not actually tell me which, if any, of the reads they had issue with -- and also ignores the fact that that was not just a random, unsoliceted reads list. That was a post made in direct response to this post from Johnny.

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me, me want conversation

Who are you familiar with here? I think you could give me some perspective on quite a few people

And the comment about Bell was basically "I feel better about Bell" which is some incredibly weak pocket attempting if that is what she was trying to do. (and ignores that if she wants to pocket bell, she has a whole PT in which to do it)

1763 - just reads to me as, "Mad that they got flack for being away when Mala was't" and I am unsure what makes that something that would bother town more the scum.

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it and a good chunk of the game is ignoring the question of where to look.

This is a good indication that people either need to slow down or scum are intentionally making the game too fast.

[MathBlade]

Hi. This is a lot of pages. Any suggestions on where to start? I will start skimming VCs but places I could target read late tonight after gaming with my sister would help.

This question was not.

We really need to slow the game down and respond to things as they appear.

I will be back after done gaming.

[MathBlade]

why isn't the thread drowning under a metric fuckload of Math posts yet

not that i want that to happen

Because I am multitasking IRL and as I said last game I was horrible so I am trying this listening thing

I think it’s a thing worth doing

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Updated Chart So Far

So Far:

Top Townreads:

Lukewarm - 19 TRs
Rad - 17 TRs
Dunn - 16 TRs - 2 SRs
CSF - 14 TRs
Pooky - 14 TRs


Top Scumreads:

BBT - 12 SRs - 2 TRs
Toad - 11 SRs - 1 TR
Ceph - 8 SRs - 2 TRs


No Consensus:

Bell - 12 TRs - 7 SRs
OTH - 12 TRs - 5 SRs


Mostly Null:

D-Lee 3 TR 2 SR 17 Nulls
Bella 5 TR 1 SR 16 Nulls
C+G 5 TR 2 SR 15 Nulls

@Math

Okay thanks for how that’s shaping out that’s going to be a huge help

[MathBlade]

Last 8 pages or so I haven't read but I was thinking C%G are a mystery. Nancy do you have any thoughts there? Taly?

Absolutely no clue so dead null.

Do you believe thy have a postng restriction?

It’s likely. I really don’t see either head making that up.

I believe posting restrictions could exist and the game does have bastard elements.

I could see some based on type or something like that. I think a player could have a post restriction and another player be careful about how they say things.

[MathBlade]

im curious, i came in with several slots cautious or scumreading me but you've taken to conversation very well, why?

Is this a question for me?

si amigo por favor

@Taly

nah im not feeling the johnny scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

About your Johnny read, I found this and the tail end of 2003

I don't know if pooky town is a hot take. Even with some people here clearly wary of their scumgame, they're still in the top 5 townreads

I saw the PoE stuff, and I was kind of interested to see where he landed with that. But I think you may be overremembering how much discussion you had with them? I didn't find that much beyond asking you to explain some TRs and crossing names off the list.

Looking at their recent posts, I like 2307 though I don't agree with it. Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

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About Galron, it seems to be mostly a metaread and a TvT interaction with Rad. If you could quote some posts where they've done something that is outside their scumrange, that'd be helpful. My general feeling about their posting is in 1106 - another example is the "Challenge me" post that was just ??? random and other tonal stuff like that, and their thought process feels opaque to me.

my approach to joining this game was pretty passive, to have someone actively think of a mutual solve when it was already expressed that many people, including myself, had difficulty sorting a definite scumread, seemed much more likely town in my eyes. nothing in

johnny's

post has overtly signaled to me that he's leading me to any specific conclusion that i must follow, and him thanking me for my participation felt sincere.

so no, my read on

johnny

isn't based on how much we have discussed reads, it's how reads were discussed.

i agree with

penguin

, if memory serves, ive mislimmed them before so im good with taking more time to sort the slot. nothing ive skimmed has caught my attention.

~

ooof wasn't prepared for

galron

rep

Math

, you'll have to flesh out why

galron's

rep warrants an FOS. feels NAI off principle since there was no indication a rep-out would occur

@Bella will get to you, something IRL caught my attention

It felt like Galron replaced out due to fearing I would FoS them and they’d be sunk.

When I calmed down that was unlikely.

[MathBlade]

ngl but mathblade looks kinda scummy so far on entrance cuz he doesnt have 180 posts by now rofl

I just played a game where I literally defended the entire scumteam all game even getting myself miselimmed for them. Like I am just not doing to do that hyperposting while playing a strategy game. Just no.

[MathBlade]

He is also conveniently landing on shading the slot that was the leading wagon in 11 out of 23 of this games Vote Counts, after skimming the vote count

I said I will. I haven’t actually. As I said I ran off to play games.

[MathBlade]

Maths just salty bc cori was salty bc I’m more obv town than they will ever be

?? I am not salty?? Confused

[MathBlade]

Luke's 100% correct thoughts on Math's rep in:

2313: MathBlade prioritized reading his own slots iso on rep in.

You know who needs to make sure that they don't contradict the prior owner of thier slot?

Scum!

Case Closed.

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But also, the way that he tried to latch onto corwinoid's post about Frog also felt weird.

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Because, there is no sign Math actually did any of the follow up I would have expected from him if he was actually interested in this.

Like, checking to see if literally two posts after corwin's post, frog directly responded to it

{snip}

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

Or looking at Mala himself to see if there was a reason to think differently about the two slots.

Now this is just bullshit.

I have never cared about the reads of my predecessor upon replacing it.

Someone linked the post and I was asking where to read. I clicked on it and vibed it and asked if it was addressed.

[MathBlade]

Anyways, we are not killing Johnny today.

Help me kill Mathblade.

Why do you say we are not killing Johnny?

[MathBlade]

I really hate 2430 rawr.

Do you hate 2430 because it’s about you or for some specific reason?

[MathBlade]

Luke's 100% correct thoughts on Math's rep in:

2313: MathBlade prioritized reading his own slots iso on rep in.

You know who needs to make sure that they don't contradict the prior owner of thier slot?

Scum!

Case Closed.

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But also, the way that he tried to latch onto corwinoid's post about Frog also felt weird.

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Because, there is no sign Math actually did any of the follow up I would have expected from him if he was actually interested in this.

Like, checking to see if literally two posts after corwin's post, frog directly responded to it

{snip}

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

Or looking at Mala himself to see if there was a reason to think differently about the two slots.

Yeah, maybe? Town!Math usually immediately starts making reaads and engaging with the playerlist.

I was literally away from phone. I do not post through brain power

[MathBlade]

math r u scum

No I am the towniest town to ever town

[MathBlade]

Ngl

The last two games that math replaced in he was scum

So I could see this being the third

Mala you’re breaking my heart here. Are you scum?

I literally wasn’t online.

Like it’s a well known fact and can check prior games I am not available for a few hours on Sundays. That’s Titus and me time

[MathBlade]

Anyways, we are not killing Johnny today.

Help me kill Mathblade.

Why do you say we are not killing Johnny?

I think he’s probably town.

Are you Luke?

I was asking Luke specifically.

[MathBlade]

Ngl

The last two games that math replaced in he was scum

So I could see this being the third

Mala you’re breaking my heart here. Are you scum?

I literally wasn’t online.

Like it’s a well known fact and can check prior games I am not available for a few hours on Sundays. That’s Titus and me time

Nonoonoo

You broke my heart twice in the last two games we were in

You don’t get to use that line

I can and am. Get over it. You shouldn’t be sussing me right now based on the fact I am a replace in. If you seriously sus me it should be for what I bring to the table

You feel very bandwagony. This can’t be a coincidence. I post that I have RL and I want to listen and I get turbo pushed. Wtf.

[MathBlade]

I have never cared about the reads of my predecessor upon replacing it.

I didn't mean checking reads.

I meant that as scum, you have to check if your predecessor did any claims or softs.

But :shrug:

I was already leaning scum on your slot prior to the rep in

That doesn’t make sense and contradicts your prior post.

As I said I haven’t read anything. That post was linked I liked it and said so.

Why are you trying to manufacture it into something more than what it is?

[MathBlade]

Anyways, we are not killing Johnny today.

Help me kill Mathblade.

Why do you say we are not killing Johnny?

Because I am leaning town on him?

That doesn’t explain the level of conviction.

You’re definitive. Town lean != we aren’t killing

Town lock = we aren’t killing

Why are you so definite here?

Don’t get me wrong I think based on how many people say Johnny is a bad elim probably bad but like ?? I want to see how you are thinking because you make no sense

[MathBlade]

Even youtube advice cannot help me. I knew it was a mistake to play a new category of game without like paying a billion other games of the type. But you have to start somewhere.
Rip.

Oh well.

I'm happy to kill someone soon. Who are we missing from the list of reads lists Pooky?

VOTE: Bell

I wanna see where this goes.

The DNA of their posts feels funny. Like my inner voice pings me.

[MathBlade]

His posts*

[MathBlade]

Math replaced into a town slot so like take a chill pill

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

If Math contradicts my confirmed town mason claim then we can know he's actually scum.

I’m confused by this.

That's okay. I'll tell you when you're older.

Even youtube advice cannot help me. I knew it was a mistake to play a new category of game without like paying a billion other games of the type. But you have to start somewhere.
Rip.

Oh well.

I'm happy to kill someone soon. Who are we missing from the list of reads lists Pooky?

VOTE: Bell

I wanna see where this goes.

The DNA of their posts feels funny. Like my inner voice pings me.

Are you even better than Corwin? Please don't play with my heart.

I am exactly the same as Corwin. It is not possible for me to be better or worse.

[MathBlade]

This is interesting. I agree with math but i'm also suspicious of math

Why are you suspicious? Try articulating it.

If you can’t articulate it then it’s probably scum thinking I am an easy miselim for trying something new.

If you can it’s worth sorting.

[MathBlade]

Even youtube advice cannot help me. I knew it was a mistake to play a new category of game without like paying a billion other games of the type. But you have to start somewhere.
Rip.

Oh well.

I'm happy to kill someone soon. Who are we missing from the list of reads lists Pooky?

VOTE: Bell

I wanna see where this goes.

The DNA of their posts feels funny. Like my inner voice pings me.

There’s only one DNA slot in this game and it isn’t Bell and he’s one of my top trs.

I mean Bell, not the DNA slot.

Can you explain why you TR Bell?

They seemed more contenty in WH13. Here it’s about a game.

It pings me wrong.

I think the DNA slot could be town. Like cells they might have programming they do.

[MathBlade]

Wait what is DNA (other than a mid BTS song)

DNA is an easy way to say the C&G hydra.

Cytosine and guanine are parts of DNA

[MathBlade]

It's because you sin by not matching Puppets' reads...whatever they are.

I figured it was because I had them low in my reads but that's not a mutually exclusive stance.

I have bad reads too, join the club

Is this sarcasm because you disagree with DP or do you think your reads are bad and are reevaluating?

[MathBlade]

I have never cared about the reads of my predecessor upon replacing it.

I didn't mean checking reads.

I meant that as scum, you have to check if your predecessor did any claims or softs.

But :shrug:

I was already leaning scum on your slot prior to the rep in

That doesn’t make sense and contradicts your prior post.

As I said I haven’t read anything. That post was linked I liked it and said so.

Why are you trying to manufacture it into something more than what it is?

I'm not sure what you think is a contradiction here. I never thought you cared about Corwin's reads. I thought you did an iso read of Corwin.

I saw you start getting into the thread. You said that you were going to skim vote counts. You said you did a Galron iso read. Then you quoted a post from your own slot from 30 pages ago.

From my pov, it looked like you went Mod iso -> Galron's iso -> Corwinoid's iso. I commented on that. Because, yeah. That seemed like an odd priority if you were town, but I could see scum needing to check for softs/claims.

You are saying that you did not do corwinoid's iso. It was actually that someone else linked the post. I see that CSF linked the post. So, sure. Happy to drop it.

However, that was not the backbone behind my vote on your slot. I had already narrowed who I wanted to vote down to your slot or the toad last night, before you ever repped in.

That was more of a "Here are new thoughts on the slot since the Math rep in"

I still think that it is weird that you saw that, but did not check to see if Frog ever responded. Or to look at Mala for yourself. But instead, said

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Which I really did not like.

And that came on top of me already narrowing down to two people.

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Since I narrowed it down to two people I was interested in, I saw movement happen in Malcolm's direction, and movement happen in Johnny's direction.

I think that both are town, so I decided it was past time for me to stop pussy footing it with my vote, step in to stop those two wagons, and vote one of the two that I was considering. (This should also answer your question on why I said that we were not killing Johnny today)

You’re still inventing more research that I didn’t do to make your point

I plan on catching up once I get time to do so.

You think it’s weird I am reading in real-time but didn’t get a chance to go ISO specific users when I said I hadn’t?

Like your entire argument is just bias you didn’t like my predecessor. Fine whatever. Say that then and let’s figure out where you’re fucked up versus inventing shit that’s clearly bad.

Because the latter which it really feels like you’re doing makes me think you’re scum but at the same time I don’t see scum being that bold to be that bad.

[MathBlade]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

I am amazed anyone can read lack of posts besides hammering

Has Not Mafia started to provide content?

[MathBlade]

I realize I've been taunting a bit much. I like Math for town because I strongly town read his predecessor. I didn't understand the scumread on Corwin then, even if I understand the impulse to scumread Math now.

I’m on the fence, maybe?

What do people think about Roden? He just seem to be really non-committal about his reads. I was really hoping he’d respond to all of the posts about that so I could clarify my read on him.

No opinion. Haven’t seen a post on Roden.

If what you say is true then:
Roden was really uncomitted in the recent game with me and Mala. Eventually he did settle but it was too hate and Roden was town. I think he just gets drowned out in this player size. I would town lean for that but I would have to see how and why being uncommitted before any serious strong read

[MathBlade]

I am going to start looking at VCs now.

Mala you’re a medical nerd and you’re awesome. I don’t have enough footing to ask you a good question yet.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

4 8 15 16 23 42...What could these numbers mean?

Vote Count 1.1

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm)
1 Frogsterking (The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Bell)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker, Off the Hook, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Roden, Rad, Corwinoid, Enchant, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

JohnnyFarrar and Frogsterking have (expired on 2022-07-08 12:42:51) to confirm.
Cat Scratch Fever replaces humaneatingmonkey

Numbers yay. Most important VC ever /s

[MathBlade]

I feel like Math's push onto Bell comes from him feeling the need to have somewhere to try to turn the discussion away from himself because I called him scum.

Instead of him actually thinking Bell is scum right now.

I literally invited you to make a case based on logic based on my predecessor.

How is that exactly turning the conversation away?

You really are grasping at straws here.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

Pilot of flight 815 Seth Norris alerted the survivors of the crash that they had gone off course at least 1000 miles and radio transmissions were down, so any rescuers would be looking for them in the wrong place, before he was killed by the smoke monster.

Vote Count 1.6

7 Cephrir (Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, The toad)

2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)

1 Enchant (Cephrir)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (Frogsterking)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, , Roden, Corwinoid, Enchant, Dunnstral, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Everyone has confirmed!

I don’t like how fast this picked up steam. Less than 200 posts big ass wagon. Seems off. Probably scum in there. Will need to read to verify.

[MathBlade]

4 8 15 16 23 42

These numbers seem to be coming up a lot in VCs.

I did a Google search and these numbers seem important to Lost.

Any suggestions Lost nerds?

[MathBlade]

Math reasonless 5 names can be scum even if impossible together

~Titus

Bell
Lukewarm
2-3 people on the Cephrir wagon at start

If only two then someone pushing me on replace in.

I like don’t have reads on half the game. So not sure what this serves

[MathBlade]

4 8 15 16 23 42

These numbers seem to be coming up a lot in VCs.

I did a Google search and these numbers seem important to Lost.

Any suggestions Lost nerds?

they're the player numbers for the scum team, the mod put them in the first post as an easter egg

Unlikely. OP says 5 mafia.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

The Black Rock, an old ship found inland on the island, contains dynamite. Rousseau used some for her traps. Dynamite was also used to blow up the door to the hatch. Dynamite is dangerous, and on the trip to retrieve some to blow up the hatch, a high school teacher named Arzt mishandled some and lost his life.

Vote Count 1.13

5 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Cephrir, Lukewarm, Galron)

4 Cephrir (BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Bellaphant (Frogsterking)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Toogeloo

I kinda feel like these past few are an important VC.

Like if Cephrir is town as I think he is

Then we either have a counterwagon on scum!frog or so far scum haven’t really seen a threat yet

[MathBlade]

I feel like Math's push onto Bell comes from him feeling the need to have somewhere to try to turn the discussion away from himself because I called him scum.

Instead of him actually thinking Bell is scum right now.

I literally invited you to make a case based on logic based on my predecessor.

How is that exactly turning the conversation away?

You really are grasping at straws here.

What part of asking me about my read precludes you from thinking "I need to start pushing in a different direction"

Because that was the point I was trying to get across. This feels like an argument about how I possibly used less optimal words to express that, and therefore it is to be dismissed entirely. Which is not a discussion I enjoy having on this site, though it does feel like I end up having those a lot.

I saw you actively responding to the fact that you were getting pressure.

Then latch onto a post to vote bell. Concluding that because you saw a single post talking about a video game, that you could then compare that to his entire prescence in a different game.

They seemed more contenty in WH13. Here it’s about a game.

It pings me wrong.

Trying to draw that comparison feels more like you were looking for someone to vote, then a real genuine basis for a scum read.

Because I was and still am actively talking about it. Actively talking about it is the opposite of trying to steer away.

Asking you to expand more on my predecessor and the reason you scumread them (which you haven’t done) I think is more valuable to sort if you’re being genuine. I don’t force conversations as scum. Many people who know my scum game know this fact.

You’re contradicting yourself more often than anything here. I don’t get why you have this tunnel and that’s what it is whatever your alignment. You’d be better served by calming down and explaining.

You’re pitching my actions as scummy versus a genuine belief is what I get right now.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

The Black Rock, an old ship found inland on the island, contains dynamite. Rousseau used some for her traps. Dynamite was also used to blow up the door to the hatch. Dynamite is dangerous, and on the trip to retrieve some to blow up the hatch, a high school teacher named Arzt mishandled some and lost his life.

Vote Count 1.13

5 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Cephrir, Lukewarm, Galron)

4 Cephrir (BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Bellaphant (Frogsterking)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Toogeloo

I kinda feel like these past few are an important VC.

Like if Cephrir is town as I think he is

Then we either have a counterwagon on scum!frog or so far scum haven’t really seen a threat yet

Math, VCA is good for a willing to flip and a starter vote but that's all at the moment.

Talk to me about Rad, bbt and Dwlee please

I haven’t interacted with them (or don’t remember their posts) so I have no opinion.

I am starting VCa to get an idea where to read since no one answered my question about where to read. A spreadsheet of who reads who as what is helpful as I go along but VCA is something I can do to get reads without waiting 3 days to parse all of it.

[MathBlade]

I was posted a spreadsheet which was who scumread who right?

That’s not a summary unless it didn’t open on my phone?

[MathBlade]

After finishing the VCs I can go for a Frog wagon I think

We need to start kinda discussing big game picture.

My inner voice kinda still pings me that Bell is scum but I think it might be better to delay it and get a rough idea how D1 is going in general.

If Frog is scum then prob lock town Cephrir

If Frog is town then either my initial assessment of Cephrir is wrong or there’s scum in the hyperposters

VOTE: Frog

[MathBlade]

Okay, permanent spot on my scum reads list.

Who?

And lmao

Hi big bird!

[MathBlade]

Oh I read that as big bird! Lol

I am going to start some ISOs and dinner back in a bit.

[MathBlade]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Can you expand on this? The depth seems lacking. I think you can do better.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

If I was DNA hydra I would be annoyed by posts like this. If I was the mod I would say a picture is worth a thousand words or some BS like that. What are your reads in the game?

Post 2597 — Dunn being gone for a while or lurking is NAI. Can you expand more on this? It seems unwarranted.

Yes this seems random things pinged my inner voice as I was ISOing.

[MathBlade]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Can you expand on this? The depth seems lacking. I think you can do better.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

If I was DNA hydra I would be annoyed by posts like this. If I was the mod I would say a picture is worth a thousand words or some BS like that. What are your reads in the game?

Post 2597 — Dunn being gone for a while or lurking is NAI. Can you expand more on this? It seems unwarranted.

Yes this seems random things pinged my inner voice as I was ISOing.

I’ve already explained and re-explained it, I don’t know how I can make it clearer?

I explained Dunn in my last post.

Re: DNA hydra, I have no clue what would or wouldn’t annoy them because they really haven’t clearly explained their post restriction or if they did, then it went over my head,

~N

Only the first post was directed to you.

I will ruminate on this as I eat. Maybe my inner voice will speak up more later.

I believe DNA hydra has a post restriction from what I have read. 100 words I think?

[MathBlade]

Math, why do you townread Cephrir? I thought his scumcase on Malcolm was meh, and the way the bolded was worded kind of rubs me the wrong way.

Spoiler:

Is there some question other than the quoted one that's being evaded here? It looks answered enough to me. This post feels to me like the conclusion ("I'm going to attack Roden now") came before the substance...

Roden can be interested in whatever he damn well feels like

And DNA hydra - what is there to townread there?

The intro wagon on him was really fast and it didn’t feel like a scum wagon.

In response to your DNA question

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

I’d appreciate it if you backed off. It’s way too late at night for me to do a proper defense but I think y’all are capable of reading between the lines.

[MathBlade]

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there.

This is interesting. I don't need to know specifics, but can you relay messages from Jin?

Inner voice

[MathBlade]

I literally told you Jin was annoyed with the question before.

[MathBlade]

The intro wagon on him was really fast and it didn’t feel like a scum wagon.

Ehhhh it was basically a RVS wagon though - does that change your read there?

It makes it stronger. It isn’t impossible Cephrir is scum but it’s definitely enough not to elim him today.

[MathBlade]

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

My opinion on the Hydra posting restriction, is that if it is real he is likely in a neighborhood with Sun.

That would give the slot an outlet to talk as much as they waty, and a way to keep communicating after they have run out of words (Jin getting Sun to "translate" for him). We also know that there is at least 2 claimed neighborhoods at this point. Could be with Toog, or could be a 3rd hood.

Can you like back off please if you’re town?

It’s hard enough trying to read everything and relay the hood properly and catch up.

If you think I am scum push me tomorrow or the next day

It’s really destructive and unfun to push me right now.

I was really hoping you’d see what I was saying if you’re town and why I scumread you.

I should not have had to claim here.

[MathBlade]

Math is town. told all of you naysayers, now hopefully you will take my reads seriously.

Is the "told all of you naysayers " because he claimed his hood?

Because we have at least 6 players in hoods this game. Don't think that is an alignment indicative role tbh

It’s 100% not alignment confirming. I agree. It’s how I am playing it that is.

Why do you say at least 6 players have hoods? The game is bastard and the concept is people stranded.

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

[MathBlade]

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

My opinion on the Hydra posting restriction, is that if it is real he is likely in a neighborhood with Sun.

That would give the slot an outlet to talk as much as they waty, and a way to keep communicating after they have run out of words (Jin getting Sun to "translate" for him). We also know that there is at least 2 claimed neighborhoods at this point. Could be with Toog, or could be a 3rd hood.

Can you like back off please if you’re town?

It’s hard enough trying to read everything and relay the hood properly and catch up.

If you think I am scum push me tomorrow or the next day

It’s really destructive and unfun to push me right now.

I was really hoping you’d see what I was saying if you’re town and why I scumread you.

I should not have had to claim here.

I'm off for bed.

I not sure why you responded to that post in particular, because that had nothing to do with your alignment and everything to do with me bragging about predicting your role existing like 1,500 posts ago.

Also not sure why the claim came now anyways. I've managed to rally what, 3 total votes against you? Lol

But regardless, I'm off for the night

Because you’re the main focus

I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.

There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.

So I brought it up with DNA and asked.

[MathBlade]

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

My opinion on the Hydra posting restriction, is that if it is real he is likely in a neighborhood with Sun.

That would give the slot an outlet to talk as much as they waty, and a way to keep communicating after they have run out of words (Jin getting Sun to "translate" for him). We also know that there is at least 2 claimed neighborhoods at this point. Could be with Toog, or could be a 3rd hood.

Can you like back off please if you’re town?

It’s hard enough trying to read everything and relay the hood properly and catch up.

If you think I am scum push me tomorrow or the next day

It’s really destructive and unfun to push me right now.

I was really hoping you’d see what I was saying if you’re town and why I scumread you.

I should not have had to claim here.

I'm off for bed.

I not sure why you responded to that post in particular, because that had nothing to do with your alignment and everything to do with me bragging about predicting your role existing like 1,500 posts ago.

Also not sure why the claim came now anyways. I've managed to rally what, 3 total votes against you? Lol

But regardless, I'm off for the night

Because you’re the main focus

I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.

There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.

So I brought it up with DNA and asked.

do you have a read on the DNA hydra

I think they’re town. They could have easily lied and said their restriction applied in the hood too.

They’ve been posting some good questions I relayed to the thread

I would love them to be engaged more but I can understand it being hard to engage when you can’t post in thread.

[MathBlade]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

[MathBlade]

I think they’re town. They could have easily lied and said their restriction applied in the hood too.

They’ve been posting some good questions I relayed to the thread

I would love them to be engaged more but I can understand it being hard to engage when you can’t post in thread.

it would make absolutely 0 sense for them to claim their post restriction applies in the hood too

Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

[MathBlade]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

A 26 player game with only 5 scum and no daytalk?

Yikes.

My example was me and a buddy.

I just am unsure what exactly is the bastard element so until then I don’t rule anything out.

Like there’s some catalyst missing for the lack of wagons.

[MathBlade]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

A 26 player game with only 5 scum and no daytalk?

Yikes.

My point in that post wasn't that it is impossible for a game to exist whete scum dont have day talk.

It was that, in this game in particular I doubt it because of the disadvantage already in place due to the size of the scum team.

That is already a decent point towards scum lack of an ability to coordinate a wagon. They don't have the combined voice/voting power scum teams normally have on day 1.

Also, there has been very little effort from the town for there to be someone trying to lead wagons either. (Part of why I thought I should try to do that)

It could be just the scum size maybe yeah? I can see that. I just think something is weird and impacting day play.

I disagree with the lack of someone trying. We have too many heroes and it’s why I voted Frog.

DNA scumreads Bell rather heavily so I was putting a vote there as I thought it possible from the different posting style. (They can confirm with a yes if you insist but if I ever lie they can CC me so it’s stupid)

Like I think we just need to take Pooky’s sheet assume it’s honest and elim in the top 5-10 to narrow the pool today to stop hero elims and get something going. It kinda feels like too much “I want X” versus we agree Y

[MathBlade]

I am also unaware of what the lack of day talk had to do with the hoods.

You kinda duck tailed into the day talk thing from the hoods thing.

But, like you are in a hood and you say you are town, and say that you think that your partner is town.

So, what gets you from thinking you are in an all town hood to thinking scum doesn't have day talk?

It’s more the explicit number 6 pinged me as weird.

There’s 5 scum.

I know I am town, if Jin is town then 6-2 = 4 so all scum can’t have a PT because arithmetic

I combined it with how wagons haven’t happened and then if you’re telling the truth only 6 players have a PT it made me flash back to my prior game

[MathBlade]

Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

can you explain how you got to this townread of them?

It’s more they have had spicy reads and been open and communicative. I have played with both heads before and one of the heads (imho) tends not to effort. I kinda don’t want to share their spicy reads without permission but I don’t see scum saying some things.

[MathBlade]

Are these not relevant to what you're talking about?

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.

Oh. And also this apparently lmao

I need sleep too apparently I am missing things.

Reading overload

[MathBlade]

Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

can you explain how you got to this townread of them?

It’s more they have had spicy reads and been open and communicative. I have played with both heads before and one of the heads (imho) tends not to effort. I kinda don’t want to share their spicy reads without permission but I don’t see scum saying some things.

You're protecting them when this entire time they could have circumvented their own restriction by sharing what they had in their PT.
Corwin also seemed to have dropped the suspicion so I'm going to assume they either disagreed with IRcher/RH's take or you're lying about their takes.

?? I am sorry I don’t follow. Can you restate this?

If I lie about any takes I would just be counter claimed and C&G just says “I never said that”

Then I get turbo yeeted

I don’t lie about what C&G says even if you incorrectly think I am scum.

[MathBlade]

Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

can you explain how you got to this townread of them?

It’s more they have had spicy reads and been open and communicative. I have played with both heads before and one of the heads (imho) tends not to effort. I kinda don’t want to share their spicy reads without permission but I don’t see scum saying some things.

I don't understand why you think you can't share their spicy reads like wtf?

Because I am treating it like a three headed hydra.

Some things we collaborate on and I ask permission whenever possible.

If they give me permission to then I will. Hoods end up also being sorting tools.

[MathBlade]

Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

can you explain how you got to this townread of them?

It’s more they have had spicy reads and been open and communicative. I have played with both heads before and one of the heads (imho) tends not to effort. I kinda don’t want to share their spicy reads without permission but I don’t see scum saying some things.

You're protecting them when this entire time they could have circumvented their own restriction by sharing what they had in their PT.
Corwin also seemed to have dropped the suspicion so I'm going to assume they either disagreed with IRcher/RH's take or you're lying about their takes.

?? I am sorry I don’t follow. Can you restate this?

If I lie about any takes I would just be counter claimed and C&G just says “I never said that”

Then I get turbo yeeted

I don’t lie about what C&G says even if you incorrectly think I am scum.

I've been playing with Andante lately and you wouldn't believe the stuff they say other people say when they didn't.
You're a different type of unbelievable.

??? That seems dumb.

[MathBlade]

I am starting to think that I failed as town leader

UNVOTE:

You were trying to lead?
Just point out who you want to die and I'll back you unthinkingly.

I was trying to kill mathblade

Mathblade is my most apathetic read. They scum read me every game and I argue with them every game. You can step back and just let a mob kill them though. It happens about 50% of the time due to inundation.

I literally said that was C&G’s read and I was willing to sheep it?

[MathBlade]

you all know that DNA isn't shorter than C&G right

It’s easier on my phone lol

[MathBlade]

you know, if we can't figure out who is scum (and i'm not alone in struggling to find scumreads) we can always punt today by eliminating enchant and try again tomorrow

Why do you suggest this? I hate being this far behind.

[MathBlade]

Taly stopped posting in PT btw, they asked if I preferred the silence.
and I told them just to post their stuff in thread.
I know nobody asked but if anyone is thinking Taly is adding additional thoughts out of sight.
They're not.

That doesn’t surprise me

They posted one post as a doctor in Shadowrun and it was a doctor who crumb so like I almost killed them for that but Frozen Angel replaced into the slot and I buddied her instead.

[MathBlade]

you know, if we can't figure out who is scum (and i'm not alone in struggling to find scumreads) we can always punt today by eliminating enchant and try again tomorrow

Why do you suggest this? I hate being this far behind.

enchant is enchant, he isn't going to do anything or become readable, and since i'm struggling to find legit scumreads i'm starting to think he could be one of the missing pieces

I feel the same about Not Mafia

But just because I can’t read someone doesn’t make them a good elim

Otherwise I would elim Titus every game and I am trying to be better about it and figure out why people ping me

[MathBlade]

(To be clear I know NM is not in this game now. It’s an analogy )

[MathBlade]

Math are you going to be on tonight?

I feel you looked at the VCs and came to the same conclusion I did regarding Frogstar so mindmeld suggests a bit of town. Nancy townreads you, so I'd like to talk before I post my current reads at the end of the night.

~Titus

I am falling asleep

I have like maybe 5 minutes of sleepy

[MathBlade]

Math are you going to be on tonight?

I feel you looked at the VCs and came to the same conclusion I did regarding Frogstar so mindmeld suggests a bit of town. Nancy townreads you, so I'd like to talk before I post my current reads at the end of the night.

~Titus

I am falling asleep

I have like maybe 5 minutes of sleepy

Tomorrow it is.

Before you go, can you give me your thoughts on the bird, dwlee and johnny?

~Titus

Bird seems to be Penguin. Didn’t see anything scummy. Not sure I follow your argument I think y’all are TvT but with the amount of reading it’s hard to go in-depth.
Dwlee hasn’t posted
Johnny I don’t have a super strong opinion either way.

[MathBlade]

Because you’re the main focus

I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.

There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.

So I brought it up with DNA and asked.

Ummm, they claimed the post restriction was day 1 only, what?

I forgot it was D1 only. *sigh*

I am tired.

I have about 15 minutes before I gotta get ready for work.

Any questions?

[MathBlade]

I do think Luke is town but I think their point about the reads list and their town reads to be a bit contrived, but I think that I'm just very wary of the lists being used in bad faith/I don't actually think anyone is 100% confident in their reads in a game this big.

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence. My read on puppets flipped about three times in the last 15 pages, I think I need to iso them without the noise of the rest of the thread. From my recollection math is better at reading Titus than vice versa.

I disliked tbones elim list (at least half of it) but I'm wondering if I'm just never going to get into the same vibes as them.

Think I need to iso rad too. I thought their initial response to puppets was fine but then their tone shifted a bit in a way that felt new to me.

@pooky, are we meant to be updating our readlist periodically as a whole?

I am not sure what half these words mean. *hides in blushies*

And like no? I am not good at reading Titus and said so before.

What are your thoughts about the rest of the game? Like what sense do you get?

Not a fan of this.

[MathBlade]

*snorts*

Spoiler: Titus Readwall with few reasons 2.0

BlueBloodedToffee - Scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - Mystery Detectives
Malakittens - Townlean
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact
PookyTheMagicalBear - Town for the day
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) - Hard town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Cephrir - Don't want to eliminate Day 1, gtmh town
Frogsterking - I want this to be scum, not sure if they are
Roden - Forgetable ok compromise
Rad - Don't want to lim but would do it
Corwinoid aka Math now - Town (mind meld Frogster vote)
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Dwlee99 - Would lim
Bellaphant - gmth town
Klick - Needs more shiny words
Bell - Hard town
Dunnstral - Probtown
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Weak townread
T-Bone - Town for the day
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey - Probtown
Lukewarm - Probtown
Best Bird PenguinPower - Prob scum

~Titus

pick my brain

titus <3

also

nancy

idk if im very similar to

Slaughter-Hour!Taly

, i havent tasted blood yet, could you elaborate?

Cephrir wants feedback on Johnny. Johnny and Malcolm are good places to expand. Klick too.

Kinda like the large townblock vibe going on, minus lack of wagons.

~Titus

I actually have a super spicy read but I am not sure if I want to share it yet. It’s kinda weird and moonlogicky. I want to ruminate on it more when not working.

[MathBlade]

If I decide to I will probably run it by C&G first

[MathBlade]

I do think Luke is town but I think their point about the reads list and their town reads to be a bit contrived, but I think that I'm just very wary of the lists being used in bad faith/I don't actually think anyone is 100% confident in their reads in a game this big.

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence. My read on puppets flipped about three times in the last 15 pages, I think I need to iso them without the noise of the rest of the thread. From my recollection math is better at reading Titus than vice versa.

I disliked tbones elim list (at least half of it) but I'm wondering if I'm just never going to get into the same vibes as them.

Think I need to iso rad too. I thought their initial response to puppets was fine but then their tone shifted a bit in a way that felt new to me.

@pooky, are we meant to be updating our readlist periodically as a whole?

I am not sure what half these words mean. *hides in blushies*

And like no? I am not good at reading Titus and said so before.

What are your thoughts about the rest of the game? Like what sense do you get?

Not a fan of this.

@Bella I don’t see your answer to this. Can you please point out where you explained what you’re saying here?

I am catching up.

[MathBlade]

Yooo RCE.

I had a scum read on your slot for a long time but then The toad, well, he started to win me over. He will be missed, but now you're here, so that's fun!

Well that’s a good trajectory because I’m basically confirmed!

?? How are you confirmed ??

The toad was inactive the entire time I am here.

Can you explain?

[MathBlade]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

I think Lukewarm is a tomorrow elim if ever.

I don’t think I have seen a Liekwarm scum game

Admittedly Luke is being weird and illogical on some things but that screams more paranoia than scum

I waffle on that though. Do you have reasoning?

[MathBlade]

@pookie, bella, RAD, JF, dwlee, math

: do you have any slots in particular you'd like me to look at?

~GE

btw I scoured Math's ISO to see if he had a read on us, and I didn't see one but I do kinda feel like he's leaning town for me after it. So that's one slots I've already managed to look over.

I would rather catch up first. Yeah I know non answer. I will always take opinions on Titus because reading her is hard. I mainly am trying to investigate and figure out the bastard part of the game because I work better with facts and being Day One there aren’t any.

I have a theory that I think might work but probably no one will like but I was hoping C&G would comment first before sharing.

[MathBlade]

...(that's a little condescending )

Also, people are really a lot more aware of their reads status than I am, generally? That's you, Luke and bbt that's bought it up.

Shit was I coming across as condescending? Sorry that wasn't my intent at all!

I'm very aware of the reads that came from pooky's collection and I think the heavy town reads absolutely need to be the focus of scum here. Any possible slip up of heavy town reads should be immediately pounced on by scum if town doesn't do it for them. Not saying it necessarily makes players who pounce scum, but it needs to happen one way or the other. So I'm definitely interested in focusing on people who may opportunistically jump at me for my DP read and the fact that you could but didn't screams townie to me.

?? Has Pooky delivered a recent sheet? And why would scum instantly focus on the townreads? This seems like weird coaching. I don’t like this interaction. It seems more strategery versus what is.

[MathBlade]

Rad, are you suggesting widely town read people should be able to do whatever they want without being questioned otherwise it's scum trying to undermine town reads?

Because it sounds like that's what you're saying.

No, I'm saying that any town slot that's being widely read as town is horrendously dangerous to scum and they need to be taken down a slot. Maybe town accomplishes that for them, or maybe scum has to push it. But it has to happen.

Do you disagree?

I disagree with this. Just because someone is read as town doesn’t make them dangerous. They have to be dangerous and correct. Town miselimming town and then being miselimmed is way more dangerous than a universally townread player who has correct reads. I again don’t like this abstract ness. What’s going on in this game?

[MathBlade]

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

[MathBlade]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

I’m basing it off of the first 4 pages. What a silly question.

I’m obviously asking for a more specific answer.

I think the way flavor was approached by multiple other slots (Bell, BBT for example) Felt organic. The way Luke approached it felt more like a tool, ergo not organic. It might be overzealousness of knowing the flavor and wanting to talk about it but if that’s the case my read probably falls off further into the thread.

If I had to strip everything away I’d say it’s like, other slots were engaging in a conversation that Luke felt they needed to be inserted into.

Even at the time they are getting townreada for it so idk maybe I’m crazy.

donu think luke is scum?

I think he had a scummy opening and got chain townread for it. Which is weird.

I’m not calling anyone here a sheep but I’m no Welshman.

I really hope you’d expand more. I haven’t hard time to read the beginning of the game yet but rapid fire constant reads do match my VCA.

[MathBlade]

To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

This seems rather arrogant and factually false or a tautology.

Question 1 I do not follow
Question 2 as established assuming you’re town, no they don’t if your reads are bad.
Question 3 yes town can misread town it happens a lot
Question 4 this is question 2 rewritten
Question 5 begging the question (assuming you’re town) if you’re town and you’ve solved the game correctly and all your TRs are town and believe it and then that you’ve narrowed down the precise scum team then yes definitionally scum have lost

But the sheer arrogance of that statement when not proposing a team or explaining a team but instead in a back and forth spat that makes zero sense to me makes me give zero fucks

[MathBlade]

To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

Err…. What if you’re town with bad reads?

Okay this is the nicer version of what I said. You can be town whether my theory is true or not.

[MathBlade]

To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

Err…. What if you’re town with bad reads?

Scum team should still want to knock down the top town players regardless of their ability to read. Town read players aren't scary for their ability to read (that's completely separate and a skill thing), they're scary for making the less town read players more likely to be the target of town's focus.

Lol no

I have been left alive as mechanically confirmed town with proper reads because people distrust me that much.

Like this just isn’t a thing.

I can’t figure out whether this is arrogance from town or scum though.

[MathBlade]

No, I'm saying that any town slot that's being widely read as town is horrendously dangerous to scum and they need to be taken down a slot. Maybe town accomplishes that for them, or maybe scum has to push it. But it has to happen.

Do you disagree?

Yeah, I do.

Just kill them? Unless their reads are bad, then let them live and continue making bad pushes while leading town?

You disagree?

I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

I think NKA is one of the best ways to catch scum.

Assume I am scum incorrectly. I have a different kill pattern than most people. Who I kill would be different than who StD would kill. I have had discussions with teammates on who to kill and why in PTs. Applying one size fits all brush feels like fake content. It’s meant to say things but not actually be helpful.

[MathBlade]

To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

This seems rather arrogant and factually false or a tautology.

Question 1 I do not follow
Question 2 as established assuming you’re town, no they don’t if your reads are bad.
Question 3 yes town can misread town it happens a lot
Question 4 this is question 2 rewritten
Question 5 begging the question (assuming you’re town) if you’re town and you’ve solved the game correctly and all your TRs are town and believe it and then that you’ve narrowed down the precise scum team then yes definitionally scum have lost

But the sheer arrogance of that statement when not proposing a team or explaining a team but instead in a back and forth spat that makes zero sense to me makes me give zero fucks

Ooooo
You gonna vote Rad?
Or Pass?

I am not sure yet. The only read I have on Rad is that Rad is arrogant.

I can’t tell if that arrogance is genuine or being used to fake reads.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Titus Readwall with few reasons 2.0

BlueBloodedToffee - Scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - Mystery Detectives
Malakittens - Townlean
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact
PookyTheMagicalBear - Town for the day
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) - Hard town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Cephrir - Don't want to eliminate Day 1, gtmh town
Frogsterking - I want this to be scum, not sure if they are
Roden - Forgetable ok compromise
Rad - Don't want to lim but would do it
Corwinoid aka Math now - Town (mind meld Frogster vote)
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Dwlee99 - Would lim
Bellaphant - gmth town
Klick - Needs more shiny words
Bell - Hard town
Dunnstral - Probtown
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Weak townread
T-Bone - Town for the day
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey - Probtown
Lukewarm - Probtown
Best Bird PenguinPower - Prob scum

~Titus

I don’t like the lack of scumreads here.

Have you given thought as to why so few? You don’t feel very attacky.

Where is I am going to attack people Titus?

[MathBlade]

To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

This seems rather arrogant and factually false or a tautology.

Question 1 I do not follow
Question 2 as established assuming you’re town, no they don’t if your reads are bad.
Question 3 yes town can misread town it happens a lot
Question 4 this is question 2 rewritten
Question 5 begging the question (assuming you’re town) if you’re town and you’ve solved the game correctly and all your TRs are town and believe it and then that you’ve narrowed down the precise scum team then yes definitionally scum have lost

But the sheer arrogance of that statement when not proposing a team or explaining a team but instead in a back and forth spat that makes zero sense to me makes me give zero fucks

Ooooo
You gonna vote Rad?
Or Pass?

I am not sure yet. The only read I have on Rad is that Rad is arrogant.

I can’t tell if that arrogance is genuine or being used to fake reads.

It might just be how he plays normally no?

Possibly. I don’t know Rad. I want Rad to speak about this game rather than some theory based “perfect” scum. Something tangible. There’s hundreds of pages.

[MathBlade]

I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

Right, OK. So you agree that scum can just kill top town reads.

So, why bother wasting energy and drawing attention to themselves in thread by trying to push/discredit them?

You're literally arguing against your own original point here.

I like BBT’s reach out here. I don’t think there’s any SvS worlds here for Rad and BBT. I think if one of these two is scum the other has to be town. (I am not sure if any scum are in these but if any probably Rad) more I am relatively certain SvS is out.

[MathBlade]

Rad, are you suggesting widely town read people should be able to do whatever they want without being questioned otherwise it's scum trying to undermine town reads?

Because it sounds like that's what you're saying.

No, I'm saying that any town slot that's being widely read as town is horrendously dangerous to scum and they need to be taken down a slot. Maybe town accomplishes that for them, or maybe scum has to push it. But it has to happen.

Do you disagree?

Or they are playing a good scum game and aren't a threat at all!

This.

In games with huge blocks d1 generally means one of three things: Town are winning hardcore or town are losing or bastardiness or a mix. If I can sort the bastard I can sort which case (if any) applies.

[MathBlade]

Who’s on and ready to win?

You’re being annoying

Who says sheeping you is winning?

Do you have a case or thoughts?

This game feels like a ton of people going

“Sheep me”

Another person “Why?”

Person 1 again “Sheep me”

Another person logs off

Person 3 “I can do that person”

Person 4 “Sheep me on new person”

Person 5 “Why?”

Person 4 again “Sheep me”

Rinse wash repeat

Can we like talk with versus talk at?

[MathBlade]

NGL I can be pretty arrogant rofl

I have to read up on malcolm and DP tonight. And now I have to uhhh do this:

Possibly. I don’t know Rad. I want Rad to speak about this game rather than some theory based “perfect” scum. Something tangible. There’s hundreds of pages.

I got my work cut out for me then?

Sorry if you don't like my theory here. It's sincere. If it's wrong, ok! It's how I've been thinking about this list though. I truly believe that scum should want to knock down any

town slots that are highly read as town

(I think the "town slot" part got missed in one of my past posts by a couple people now). Seems like a no-brainer to me but if it's wrong, ok!

That’s not right or wrong. It depends on context.

If the OP is to be believed (which I am not 100% sure it can be because bastard which relates to my theory) and I am hunting as if it is true and false. Then with the narrower pools more than likely we will elim town or a bussing victim D1. It’s very unlikely we hit scum which is pretty demoralizing which becomes more important we foster collaboration instead of dictatoriness. Because if we have a group of people who are always online dictating A,B,C then people become fed up if they flip town or they check out due to lack of agency.

This has happened in many many large games with limited scum pools.

[MathBlade]

What we do know is that scum have an agenda and the sooner we find that, the sooner we find scum.

[MathBlade]

I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

Right, OK. So you agree that scum can just kill top town reads.

So, why bother wasting energy and drawing attention to themselves in thread by trying to push/discredit them?

You're literally arguing against your own original point here.

What? I mentioned that they'll probably just NK luke. How many NKs do they get? Just 1 right? So you still gotta tear down the other top town reads.

We legit know nothing.

It’s been ages since I have seen this show but at first it started normal but then got weird(?)

Assuming anything mechanically right now seems sus.

We should work from what we know and work from that to determine scum not work from unfounded assumptions.

[MathBlade]

What we do know is that scum have an agenda and the sooner we find that, the sooner we find scum.

What’s that?

Yes that’s what we need to find.

[MathBlade]

I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

Right, OK. So you agree that scum can just kill top town reads.

So, why bother wasting energy and drawing attention to themselves in thread by trying to push/discredit them?

You're literally arguing against your own original point here.

Scum does this kind of thing all the time. Why nk a slot you can just get miselimed? Titus literally did that to tpr!Scorpius in that mini normal.

Okay RAD is back to green. I like this take from him.

Titus in the last game she was scum in…She had takes…bad takes…like Uhmmm wtf takes.

[MathBlade]

Hi Titus,

Why am I scum?

Bc you’re a baddie

Can we like stop this shit? Why?

[MathBlade]

Yup Math is town.

Also, I feel like one of the replacements is probably scum

Why?

[MathBlade]

@ProfessorDrapion

What are you a professor of and why did you choose that field?

I will be determining your alignment based solely on your answer to this question (no, really, I'm not joking)

I am the Professor of many things.
Why take one field when I can take multiple fields.

The Quick Thinker
The Motivator
The Pokémon Specialist
The Supplier
And many more.

ok they're town everyone pack it up we're done here

Clearly /s no more questions necessary

They clearly have no need to evolve their posting to explain things. /s

[MathBlade]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

Be be fair, I did have a couple people scun reading me pre- like page 40.

This entire page is garbage naked reads

We have more than 100 pages

Can people quit acting like it’s fucking RVS?

[MathBlade]

Topic: why my read turned around on Math

(No quotes because phone posting. )

It was our conversation about whether the scum team had day talk. Thinking they might not would be a town slip, obviously.

And after talking to him about it, it really felt like a genuine thought.

It does not feel like an angle that scun would even think to take in that moment?

But he not only said it, he doubled down.

When I asked several questions about how he came to that hypothesis, it felt like he had pretty hood answers.

"Sees post about 6 people being in pts" -> "knows he and CG are two people in pts" -> "Thinks CG is town" -> "6-2=4, does that mean the whole scum team is not in PTs?" -> "that would explain why there don't seem to be a lot of scum coordination on wagons" -> present theory to the thread

It tracked pretty smoothly, and was explained during real time conversation.

I don’t know whether I like that you TR me now or hate it. This feels slimy and good at the same time. Good heebie jeebies

[MathBlade]

Yup Math is town.

Also, I feel like one of the replacements is probably scum

Why?

Replacements are more likely overall to be scum. I think context is important though. In this context I think players on a scum team who fall behind in a large game are more likely to replace out due to guilt of letting the team down.

So I see there have been several rep-outs already and I'm thinking that the rep-out pool is a better place to hunt than the entire player list.

Except this is fundamentally wrong.

Replace outs are indicative of a player not playing/wanting to play/busy/RL/bans or millions of reasons.

Some games have replace outs from all town because town is losing or lack of cooperation or unfun.

This game is insanely large and we (from where I have caught up to) haven’t had a single wagon all fucking game except Cephrir and maybe one other person. That’s demoralizing

[MathBlade]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

Be be fair, I did have a couple people scun reading me pre- like page 40.

This entire page is garbage naked reads

We have more than 100 pages

Can people quit acting like it’s fucking RVS?

Ah depends.
Can you stop complaining on how others wish to post?

I am not complaining about how others wish to post.

I am asking people to be productive and cooperative

There’s a difference.

[MathBlade]

SHEEEEP ME

Who’d you vote?

Probably taly.

Then do it.

Make a case and talk with people about Taly.

[MathBlade]

People i would rather we not elim today:
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Cephrir
Rad
Mathblade Corwinoid
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey
Lukewarm



People that I would not be sad it I attended their funeral at the end of this day phase:
BlueBloodedToffee
Taly Toogeloo
ProfessorDrapion Galron
Frogsterking
Roden
RCEnigma The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
Best Bird PenguinPower

Good list.

I approve except put BBT in the don’t wanna elim.

Dancing puppets is flirting with the line of would elim or not for not town blocking (or at least I don’t see that). They have town reads but I don’t see them trying to block enough.

[MathBlade]

what are some important ISOs to read? I give no assurance I'll comprehend them fully but I do feel like being at least somewhat mindful of happenings vs. just coasting

~GE

Now that I am here I would say Cephrir

Start of the game

And current wagons.

[MathBlade]

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

More naked I should die. Clearly a winning argument.

Since you agree with this jibberish, translate it.

What does “unbella” mean?

What’s intransigence?

It’s fucking word salad and you’re like “because I am scum?”

That’s like ??

[MathBlade]

@Titus, I cross referenced our reads list.

We agreed on:
Mala
Off The Hook
Cytosine and Guanine
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever
Bell
Dunn
MathBlade
Pooky
Rad
Ceph

Frogster ?

Klick
BlueBloodedTofee
Dwlee
Best Bird, Penguin Power
Roden

----

We disagreed on
{You havee town, I didnt}
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Bellaphant - gmth town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact

{I have town, you didn't}
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting

----

which of those read differences led to you thinking that my list was "bonkers"?

I think Luke was misguided town.

Good question here.

I don’t think his illogical pushes were bad faith anymore

[MathBlade]

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

More naked I should die. Clearly a winning argument.

Since you agree with this jibberish, translate it.

What does “unbella” mean?

What’s intransigence?

It’s fucking word salad and you’re like “because I am scum?”

That’s like ??

Give me 1 reason your town and I shouldn’t vote for you right now!

Because my role PM says so?

I don’t towncase myself because quite frankly I believe I am obvious and find self defense really antitown.

I explained that I am communicating for another slot and so am waiting on replies from them so if anything I think scum might be afraid of Ircher or RH9.

[MathBlade]

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

Hey something approaching a reason.

Can you elaborate?

Dude was posting for two people.

Some of it is Ircher/RH9 and some is him.

So yes by fucking definition Corwin was. Congrats!

[MathBlade]

i would like to flip mathblade dude is probly not town

Why?

[MathBlade]

ok

VOTE: math

Another naked vote wow color me shocked

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Mathblade

*shrug*

Ooh more naked votes /s

Why am I not surprised?

[MathBlade]

my main hangups with mathblade are:

(1) Corwin was a scummy scum fuck when he was playing

(2) Mathblade doesn't feel very enthusiastic and dude is like a dog with a bone when he reps in as town.

(3) when asked for why he townread C+G in the hood, I don't think his reasoning was very compelling or strong and felt more like TMI.

1) That’s not explained. That’s I am scum because I am scum.

2) Again I literally just had a game where I defended all three scum. So I started slow to get my feet wet and trying to figure out communication with Ircher/RCE and figure out a way to fo it while reading 100s of pages. So I didn’t have a bone. Because I haven’t found one

3) That’s actually a reason. I already answered it and no one agreed with you.

Like cmon

[MathBlade]

ok

VOTE: math

Another naked vote wow color me shocked

I know what’ll make you even more shocked.
That not every vote on you is a naked vote because I actually had reason to vote you.
WOW.

Also the votes might me naked but think they might have a reason they just didn’t state?
WOW.

Instead of asking about the naked vote your just gonna complain about it?
WOW.

I did ask. What misrep. At some point typing “Why?” 10 times gets old and you just say naked because it is.

[MathBlade]

my main hangups with mathblade are:

(1) Corwin was a scummy scum fuck when he was playing

(2) Mathblade doesn't feel very enthusiastic and dude is like a dog with a bone when he reps in as town.

(3) when asked for why he townread C+G in the hood, I don't think his reasoning was very compelling or strong and felt more like TMI.

1) That’s not explained. That’s I am scum because I am scum.

Bro but they referring to your previous slot owner, you scum?

It’s an empty reason

It’d be like me saying you’re scum because of your prior slot

It’s not actually a reason. It’s copy paste garbage that could apply to any replacement

[MathBlade]

I’m taking out my pitch fork.
*pokes MB*

You’re poking? Are you asking where to point it at? I am still catching up

[MathBlade]

it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

I don’t know about saving Johnny but targeting me for a reason yes

I need to figure out said reason

[MathBlade]

2) Again I literally just had a game where I defended all three scum. So I started slow to get my feet wet and trying to figure out communication with Ircher/RCE and figure out a way to fo it while reading 100s of pages. So I didn’t have a bone. Because I haven’t found one

I don't see why being wrong in the past will make you lack confidence now.

it's never stopped you before!

Did you actually interact with the reason I told you why before? Aristela treated me like I was a human and not some shitty ass useless piece of shit. I promised her I would shut up more so I am trying to listen and cooperate more

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89536 Here’s the game

And if you look in my ISO I do have opinions.

I am just not “rah rah rah must spam them 10000 times. I am so right”

[MathBlade]

like 80% of the read has nothing to do with you

I was always going to scumread whoever rep'd into the slot unless they towntold extremely hard cuz Corwin was scummy af

Then you should be able to explain that read

But you haven’t.

[MathBlade]

like 80% of the read has nothing to do with you

I was always going to scumread whoever rep'd into the slot unless they towntold extremely hard cuz Corwin was scummy af

Then you should be able to explain that read

But you haven’t.

uh yea i have

i linked the iso

town!corwin is like a bull in a china shop

he was barely present this game

Again already explained that

Having to play for two people is hard AF

Next

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89536 Here’s the game

And if you look in my ISO I do have opinions.

I am just not “rah rah rah must spam them 10000 times. I am so right”

What about your previous slot owner?
Got opinions on them?

No

I don’t judge my prior slots and come in with a clean slate

Barring a major catastrophe it’s almost always fine and reading myself is usually useless

The few posts I have seen were good Eg the contradictions

[MathBlade]

like 80% of the read has nothing to do with you

I was always going to scumread whoever rep'd into the slot unless they towntold extremely hard cuz Corwin was scummy af

Then you should be able to explain that read

But you haven’t.

uh yea i have

i linked the iso

town!corwin is like a bull in a china shop

he was barely present this game

Again already explained that

Having to play for two people is hard AF

Next

bruh he wasn't even playing for one person

Factually incorrect

[MathBlade]

Pooky sit down and write a concise argument with reasons why I am scum

The same thing I asked Luke to do

I don’t think you can because I am town

Stop one lining easily disproven bullshit

People just want to end the day so they vote me

[MathBlade]

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

VOTE: Klick

~Titus

Bb is a helluva a lot scummier than Klick.

Wrong

[MathBlade]

there's no way to prove anything dude

if this was a court of law we would never lose

Correct.

You can’t prove me scum just like I can’t prove me town

But you should at bare minimum be able to provide something that isn’t factually incorrect

Eg this post is scummy because blah blah blah

[MathBlade]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

Be be fair, I did have a couple people scun reading me pre- like page 40.

This entire page is garbage naked reads

We have more than 100 pages

Can people quit acting like it’s fucking RVS?

Uhh I repped in like 2 pages before that. I reserve the right to develop my reads the same way everyone else did at gamestart.

It’s more the game as a whole.

People aren’t talking with they’re talking AT.

People talking with try to convince with reasons and listen with empathy

People talking at go “X is scum”

Or very limited low effort posts.

The game is full of it.

[MathBlade]

1 Mathblade (Lukewarm)

6 Mathblade (PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dunnstral, Klick, Cephrir, Bell)

This feels like a wild situation.

There were

Zero people

in this game that felt strongly enough about Corwin/Math being scum that they were voting there.

I vote

, and a wagon starts forming.

I change my mind, and start town reading the slot.

I encourage people to look elsewhere.

Suddenly, there are multiple people talking about how obviously scummy the slot is, and that is needs to die.

Like, where was all of this confidence before I sparked the wagon?

I have no idea what it means, but it feels weird.

It feels weird because it’s scummy.

If Corwin was the reason my slot was bad they would have joined you when you cased Corwin.

But now that I am being wagoned there’s no good reasoning I am scum but it’s “Corwin”.

And there’s no good Corwin reasons either.

It’s about knowing that when I start something I don’t shut up and by goodness gracious y’all are Gonna talk and cooperate.

[MathBlade]

Talking with versus talking at isn’t a bad thing. But it disadvantages you for this to be the case.

I am not playing strategically for ME. I am playing so we win.

I don’t give a shit about disadvantaging me right now.

If town talks with and miselims me then you can find the scum doing it.

If everyone is talking AT each other it’s just “Math is annoying” and move on.

[MathBlade]

Explain why it’s scummy.
I’ll wait.

I just did.

If something is scummy on post 200 you don’t wait until post 2000 to vote it if you believed it initially scummy.

You bring it up and talk about it and discuss it.

The fact I am not scummy but Corwin is is some serious cognitive dissonance

[MathBlade]

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

[MathBlade]

Talking with versus talking at isn’t a bad thing. But it disadvantages you for this to be the case.

I am not playing strategically for ME. I am playing so we win.

I don’t give a shit about disadvantaging me right now.

If town talks with and miselims me then you can find the scum doing it.

If everyone is talking AT each other it’s just “Math is annoying” and move on.

Tell me more about how selfless you are. I’ll believe it as soon as the game is over and you say it again.

?? This isn’t talk about being selfless I am not I am human.

It’s addressing the post you made

[MathBlade]

my main hangups with mathblade are:

(1) Corwin was a scummy scum fuck when he was playing

(2) Mathblade doesn't feel very enthusiastic and dude is like a dog with a bone when he reps in as town.

(3) when asked for why he townread C+G in the hood, I don't think his reasoning was very compelling or strong and felt more like TMI.

1) That’s not explained. That’s I am scum because I am scum.

2) Again I literally just had a game where I defended all three scum. So I started slow to get my feet wet and trying to figure out communication with Ircher/RCE and figure out a way to fo it while reading 100s of pages. So I didn’t have a bone. Because I haven’t found one

3) That’s actually a reason. I already answered it and no one agreed with you.

Like cmon

What communication with me?

RH9 autocorrect fail

[MathBlade]

So pooky is scum is then.

I am very much leaning that way

I don’t like how he up and ghosted.

I also know that pushing on him is a good way for people to never listen to me.

[MathBlade]

Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

[MathBlade]

So pooky is scum is then.

I am very much leaning that way

I don’t like how he up and ghosted.

I also know that pushing on him is a good way for people to never listen to me.

what ghost r u talking about

You.

I asked you to case Corwin and you complained it’s hard or refused rather than try it.

So either A) you’re scum

Or B) town that doesn’t give a shit about examining his reads.

[MathBlade]

Oh, I didn’t know that the most important thing is that people listen to you, not that you vote scum.

I am still voting in my PoE

Pooky despite his bullshit is not my top scumread

It’s more important to leave town better than where it is than get my way

[MathBlade]

If something is scummy on post 200 you don’t wait until post 2000 to vote it if you believed it initially scummy.

Corwin was literally on my first scum list here : 883

Still no reasons

[MathBlade]

Just going to point out that Pooky appears to be using his own spreadsheet, as there was 1 difference between his 883 reads post and what ended up in sheet reveal 1827 - Roden goes from null to town (with 24 Roden posts between these 2 Pooky posts, which is the majority of Roden's ISO)

And 1 more difference between 1827 and 1901 - Dancing Puppets goes from null to town (with 18 DP posts between these 2 Pooky posts)

So either town!Pooky is using the spreadsheet or scum!Pooky has planted this for someone to notice (Hello!). Pooky doesn't even mention the change in reads for Roden and DP, he just updates his chart and continues trying to gather more chart data (unless I missed it in the ISO skim, correct me if I'm wrong).

This is about the pace that my reads are changing as well, so while 2 seems kinda low maybe?.. it resonates with me at least.

I'm going with a strong town read on this, giving me 2 strong town reads now

One read change? In almost a thousand posts?

That is a top townread to you?

So Pooky is using a spreadsheet effort != Town.

One scum game I invented an entire code to buddy Frozen Angel and used it for three days.

I don’t get how the rest is relevant

[MathBlade]

"having to play for two people is hard af"

is um not an excuse

and corwin did not play for C+G

But I do have to though.

They have 100 words all game. I have to be them and me

[MathBlade]

I asked you to case Corwin and you complained it’s hard or refused rather than try it.

this is a completed corwin towngame:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go


he is much more involved and doesn't care about pissing people off and is invested in his own beliefs etc.

in this game he's not really around, came up with excuses for inactivity and when he was around didn't feel like he was like the above linked town game.

From what I gather Corwin did piss people off. So if I take your point at face value it’s wrong

I have another 75 pages ish I am behind on

I do not have time to read some linked game

You can actually explain what is different versus saying so

I already explained those points as having to be in a hood and sometimes RL happened

I even fucked called I was going to be wagoned while I was at work last night

Like cmon

[MathBlade]

i think jf/math r scum

no opinion on dwlee

rad is maybe a townlean atp i dunno.

bella probly town

Thoughts on Klick?

Klick is obvtown

More words please

Klick's scumgame is terrible and I would be shocked if he was somehow scum here

@Pooky, should I sheep you on Math I’m losing my tr on him. :/

In PYP he was more other focusdd than self-focused.

The other game I believed we were elimming unelimable town and was a useless VT

Here I am juggling this and the other Pt and trying to catch up and because I am not being a toxic asshole I am getting scumread

There is no winning on MS for me as town

[MathBlade]

Just going to point out that Pooky appears to be using his own spreadsheet, as there was 1 difference between his 883 reads post and what ended up in sheet reveal 1827 - Roden goes from null to town (with 24 Roden posts between these 2 Pooky posts, which is the majority of Roden's ISO)

And 1 more difference between 1827 and 1901 - Dancing Puppets goes from null to town (with 18 DP posts between these 2 Pooky posts)

So either town!Pooky is using the spreadsheet or scum!Pooky has planted this for someone to notice (Hello!). Pooky doesn't even mention the change in reads for Roden and DP, he just updates his chart and continues trying to gather more chart data (unless I missed it in the ISO skim, correct me if I'm wrong).

This is about the pace that my reads are changing as well, so while 2 seems kinda low maybe?.. it resonates with me at least.

I'm going with a strong town read on this, giving me 2 strong town reads now

One read change? In almost a thousand posts?

That is a top townread to you?

So Pooky is using a spreadsheet effort != Town.

One scum game I invented an entire code to buddy Frozen Angel and used it for three days.

I don’t get how the rest is relevant

But are you gonna plop a wolf read on them.
That’s the real question though.

I already do have Rad in my PoE

I don’t work on absolute town or scum unless glaring

That’s not how I function

[MathBlade]

ok i'll unvote and let you catch up if you want to catch up dude

UNVOTE:

i still think you're mafia

Fine I will get you that post first

[MathBlade]

@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

Holy shit dude, you made a read ~52 pages ago based on the start of the game, FoSed every other inactive player, and never looked twice at your very early read even given the "content" of her posts. And you don't think that's giving that slot a pass?

Start here Pooky

[MathBlade]

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.

Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1

So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum

By that point I know and the game will know

Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb

Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1

[MathBlade]

Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

I’m not liming my strong tr. And again, this is whack.

Run statistics

Find how many games Pooky is elimmed D1 as any alignment.

Bet it’s damn near close to 0.

Hell people even say (paraphrased) “I don’t wanna elim Pooky he’s too good when he’s town”

I never ever try to convince anyone Pooky is scum

It’s better to let time sort him by who he pushes than argue against site wise popularity bias

Some players just are not pushable D1 and it’s toxic AF

[MathBlade]

@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

Holy shit dude, you made a read ~52 pages ago based on the start of the game, FoSed every other inactive player, and never looked twice at your very early read even given the "content" of her posts. And you don't think that's giving that slot a pass?

Start here Pooky

that's response to aggression in a reflexive way.

corwin in the linked game is aggro af on his own and attacking multiple slots.

That is aggro af

It also attacks two slots.

That slot and the initial asker

Like what?

You’re attacking Corwin for having RL and multiple things to read

I am going to catch up now

Wake me when you provide actual reasons

[MathBlade]

You might not be good, but I think Titus is quicker to push you as town than you are. My meta is limited though.

I was talking about the game we recently finished when hq was yelling at me for not voting you when I knew you were town. It was based on our team mafia game. At the moment I don't have a strong opinion on your slot.

I think I have quite a few low key scum reads but nothing glaring. I'm happier with my town reads than I was, so I think I'm just overwhelmed by the amount of posting. There were 20+ pages overnight and when I caught up I didn't find a lot of it helpful for sorting people.

@math, this was my response to you..I didn't ask why you disliked my post so much.

That doesn’t make sense

How does that define your word salad?

[MathBlade]

Math, I doubt you continuing to engage with pooky on your own alignment will be good for anyone, and just keep flooding the thread.

That’s why I said I am catching up

I have never been / recall a single d1 Pooky elim in my decade plus on site

And in those games when I have pushed him town or scum it’s easy because someone always vetoes

Now I am going to do that

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

[MathBlade]

Decade plus or
Minus*

[MathBlade]

@ math I don't know what your issue is. Can you ...ask me some questions or something, instead of just telling me I'm shit? Kk thnx.

I did

What is unbella like?

Your response was unrelated.

I quoted it again

You said this was your response

What else am I supposed to do?

[MathBlade]

I am not her.

So by definition I am not Bella like

Everyone who is not Bella is not Bella like

So then it’s vacuous fluff

All of this is

Corwin wasn’t aggro

I point out where he was

Move the goal posts

It’s always some little thing and it’s why I don’t town case myself

It’s stupid

It’s why I just am going to read the rest of the night

[MathBlade]

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm not giving anybody a pass for "popularity".

That’s what everyone thinks

But there’s untouchables D1

That almost never get elimmed

They just don’t.

Then people don’t come back because people are friends

[MathBlade]

Math, I doubt you continuing to engage with pooky on your own alignment will be good for anyone, and just keep flooding the thread.

That’s why I said I am catching up

I have never been / recall a single d1 Pooky elim in my decade plus on site

And in those games when I have pushed him town or scum it’s easy because someone always vetoes

Now I am going to do that

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

Ugh, you used that wotd again, “popularity”, you did that also in Squid Game.

I also use it as town

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... Popularity

4 games in 20 years

My point proves itself

[MathBlade]

Now let me read damn it

[MathBlade]

20 Years? I think that just broke my brain.

Join date 2003 it’s 2022

19 years rounded to 20

[MathBlade]

also anything you say about popularity literally has nothing to do with my alignment so it's weird that this is the tack you're going with :/

My point is that if I was scum I do attack you because you’re never elimmed

As scum it’s hella easy to fake reads

And I keep posting because I keep getting asked questions

Like strongly pushing anyone is so easy to do for cred.

I am very very good at generating towncred as scum because it’s so easy

The only problem comes in when you piss people off

I pissed people off for asking you talk to each other

I called I would be wagoned

I was right

I can’t defend myself because defense never works

So gg no re

If I push it’s always bad faith

There is literally nothing I can do that is protown

[MathBlade]

Let me fucking catch up and stop slandering me every three seconds with obviously false bullshit

[MathBlade]

you could hunt for scum and make a case for someone being scum?

complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?

I did that yesterday

And today

And tried to form a townblock

But you just spam “but math is scum”

So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts

Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown

[MathBlade]

I want to talk my reads and catch up

But instead there’s this flash wagon on absolute bullshit.

Where no one talks a single read I have

[MathBlade]

ok who do you think is scum and what's the case again?

Again I don’t have a single locked scumread

Frog is bad based on the VCA when I came in
Klick is bad for some of their posting

If I could label Bell a neutral I would

Lukewarm’s post with reads and who he’s willing to elim matches my list pretty much

[MathBlade]

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Detection

Read it and weep "Math"Blade

I have way too much to read right now.

What’s the subject and premise and I will get to it after I take a break and such

[MathBlade]

you could hunt for scum and make a case for someone being scum?

complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?

I did that yesterday

And today

And tried to form a townblock

But you just spam “but math is scum”

So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts

Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown

Or ignore him?

Like, yes. Pooky was calling you scum.

But there was also multiple slots defending you. Off the top of my head, Me, Both heads of Dancing Puppets, OTH all made posts about stopping your wagon.

The thread did not need 10000 posts from you arguing with Pooky.

It does

Pooky says someone is scum

That’s it

They’re the elim

[MathBlade]

Hey Math I'm here if you wanna chat reads. I've got a few ISOs to do and no will to do them

My latest reads I cited

I just want to read and quiet

[MathBlade]

I want to talk my reads and catch up

But instead there’s this flash wagon on absolute bullshit.

Where no one talks a single read I have

You wree trying to convince me that one of my strongest trs is scum based off of “popularity” and not because he’s actually done anything scummy.

I am unpopular

Pooky is popular

Therefore I die

Hence why I never want to be voted as any alignment

Once I get voted I am almost always elimmed

[MathBlade]

i alrdy unvoted you so you can go read

just go read?

like you're not magically going to get run up and ded just cuz u stopped posting for a few hours

this game is moving at a glacial pace

Yes I will

I quit posting for 8 hours

If I quit posting for 12 more I will be elimmed

Like that’s what it feels like

[MathBlade]

If I get elimmed in that 24 hours you die tomorrow

I will pray that somehow I can vig you from death

[MathBlade]

Alright fine, I'll make Math's wish come true

VOTE: MathBlade

Told you

And that’s not my fucking wish

[MathBlade]

I am expressing fucking emotions and thoughts

[MathBlade]

you could hunt for scum and make a case for someone being scum?

complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?

I did that yesterday

And today

And tried to form a townblock

But you just spam “but math is scum”

So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts

Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown

Or ignore him?

Like, yes. Pooky was calling you scum.

But there was also multiple slots defending you. Off the top of my head, Me, Both heads of Dancing Puppets, OTH all made posts about stopping your wagon.

The thread did not need 10000 posts from you arguing with Pooky.

It does

Pooky says someone is scum

That’s it

They’re the elim

Then why hasn’t Frog been run up then? Pooky was pushing him pretty hard, so people can actually think for themselves.

Because frog is more popular than me

I gotta go like Luke said

[MathBlade]

I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you

Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore

I already established that I only share reads with consent.

I don’t just announce things without permission especially while one head is catching up.

G head thinks that Bell is back null because their acting better but votes are weird.

Frog is erratic (their word)

Klick is null

I don’t know which reads I can and can’t share because they didn’t want certain reads shared

[MathBlade]

Math are you a meta guy? 984 - I think Frogster is town, and around the time I posted that is when the Frogster wagon stalled (some ppl also TR'd him for the meds comment)

I wouldn’t consider myself meta unless it’s something I notice
Because I struggle with social reads

I prefer mech being on the spectrum

So naked or illogical reads piss me off

[MathBlade]

Yup Math is town.

Also, I feel like one of the replacements is probably scum

Why?

Replacements are more likely overall to be scum. I think context is important though. In this context I think players on a scum team who fall behind in a large game are more likely to replace out due to guilt of letting the team down.

So I see there have been several rep-outs already and I'm thinking that the rep-out pool is a better place to hunt than the entire player list.

Except this is fundamentally wrong.

Replace outs are indicative of a player not playing/wanting to play/busy/RL/bans or millions of reasons.

Some games have replace outs from all town because town is losing or lack of cooperation or unfun.

This game is insanely large and we (from where I have caught up to) haven’t had a single wagon all fucking game except Cephrir and maybe one other person. That’s demoralizing

It's not fundamentally wrong dude,

you are uninformed

. These people at stanford used this very website as a corpus and showed that replace outs are more likely to be scum. You can find the corpus yourself online easily.

What’s Dis?
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Bolded

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“Another concern pertains to the fact that Mafiaare slightly more likely to be replaced than towns-folk. In our dataset, an average town-aligned slothas 0.33 replacements, while an average Mafia-aligned slot has 0.35 replacements, meaning that areplacement is 6% more likely to be Mafia.”

6% difference over a tiny sampling of 900 games from MS.

In other words no where near as likely as you’re portraying it.

It also doesn’t account for variables like time of year, site flaking, or any sort of control.

I can’t believe I skimmed a paper being distracted for 6 % I like Numbers but that’s pretty shallow

Back to reading the thread for me

[MathBlade]

includes 9676 documents from 685 games.The most active user account has played in 57games, accounting for an equal number of docu-ments in the dataset. It should be noted that manyactive players have less-used alternative accounts,making this a lower bound. Nonetheless, look-ing at the activity distribution, we expect that noplayer has played in more than 20% of all games,accounting for no more than 1.6% of all docu-ments.Another concern pertains to the fact that Mafiaare s

Correction wrong dataset

This is the proper one

[MathBlade]

I don't want the Roden wagon because it's another counter to Klick but that's weak day 1 and Klick is unflipped. The other mason has to claim though probably given flipless.

~Titus

VOTE: Dancing Puppets

I have to head to work but will explain later.

This is pretty sus. Like this goes against Titus ing and is wtf.

[MathBlade]

That seems incredibly thought out but likely wrong

Assume Roden is lying (your premise)

Roden’s alignment still flips I think
So then if Roden flips mafia then whatever

Roden flips town and confirms anyone else claiming mason the next day. Someone who isnt mason claims mason then gets CCd by any/real masons depending on size of masonry.

Using read lists to find a mason is a horrible way to find a partner.

In short I think scum doesn’t do this fake claim but if I think Titus is sus for trying to force a claim.

I also think that just because you can’t find the partner doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I really have to go but this feels ugly.

[MathBlade]

Why is it a facepalm?

You defend me because you know I am trying and realize I got a short end of the Schlick

Nancy then realizes I might be miselim able and gradually flips

A mason partner will eventually be clear why the fuck are you fishing?

[MathBlade]

Like if y’all elim Roden it’s not the end of the world as we likely get a conf town tomorrow but I’d rather not elim what is probably a true claim.

[MathBlade]

Assume Roden is lying (your premise)

Roden’s alignment still flips I think
So then if Roden flips mafia then whatever

Roden flips town and confirms anyone else claiming mason the next day. Someone who isnt mason claims mason then gets CCd by any/real masons depending on size of masonry.

What is the advantage to having a second mason claim after Roden dies, and not before?

Second mason is confirmed town.

[MathBlade]

Or third or however many

[MathBlade]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

[MathBlade]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

[MathBlade]

Why is it a facepalm?

You defend me because you know I am trying and realize I got a short end of the Schlick

Nancy then realizes I might be miselim able and gradually flips

A mason partner will eventually be clear why the fuck are you fishing?

How will Roden be clear in a flipless game? Second, if Roden is mystically town, an unclaimed mason can be cced given Dunn's rationale on how no one makes sense as a mason partner.

Nancy's giving me an earful on you, but I'm still not interested.

~Titus

Iirc alignments flip roles dont

[MathBlade]

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

From OP. Assuming that’s not bastard that’s correct

1) see prior post about where they’d have to crumb masons with Roden before the claim and hope there is one other masons not two+ or zero. Town Roden fake claiming mason just isn’t Roden. If it’s a lie he’s scum.
2) So? I’d buy multiple masonries in a 20+ player games
3) Why?
4) Because it’s stupid and fishing

[MathBlade]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

He showed why HE believes Roden is lying

I don’t think Roden is.

Correcting Dunn on his flawed logic only helps scum.

[MathBlade]

Let me start from the beginning, with a basic premise:

How is a mason claiming immediately after Roden dies superior to a mason claiming right now?

The mafia kills happen at the same time in both scenarios, it is actually not advantageous at all for the second mason to hold off on their claim.

If the argument is to wait even longer before claiming, then the mason result becomes unreliable. It's already looking like town would have a hard time explaining how they are masons with Roden.

Assuming Roden is town and mason for this argument

Roden’s mason partner becomes prime NK bait instead of invests or protectives.
Assuming Roden flips town today then partner claims boom conf town assuming they explain crumbs as masons do on this site.

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So if y’all really don’t believe Roden the play is to elim them

Assuming they flip town..

Then first post of the second day (assuming mason isn’t dead) they out crumbs

If no one puts crumbs we learn mason was shot.

It’s like we gain flipped roles and invests work.

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So if y’all really don’t believe Roden the play is to elim them

Assuming they flip town..

Then first post of the second day (assuming mason isn’t dead) they out crumbs

If no one puts crumbs we learn mason was shot.

It’s like we gain flipped roles and invests work.

You mean like Dunn already disproved?

~Titus

Dunn didn’t disprove it.

He posted why he doesn’t believe a mason partner exists.

I believe a mason partner exists.

I find his argument flawed.

However it is antitown to point out how.

I gotta go.

If you don’t believe Roden is a mason elim him.

I believe Roden.

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4. If their partner gets shot first they can claim that their partner got shot. So we know who the partner is.

Because that could let a fake!claiming Roden go through?

Literally any town player dies.
No flip.
Roden says that was their partner.

We have no way to verify?

We do by their crumbs.

It’s not enough to say so.

Eg I crumbed C&G with inner voice because I was speaking for them.

I would expect similar crumbs from before the claim.