LOST (Game Over)

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First

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VOTE: Bella

You finally rolled scum?

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VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

That's genuinely hilarious

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Rude.

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Sawyer maybe? Got to be some kind of traitor or some shit.

Ben and the village people possibly? Ethan?

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I still remember those numbers even after all these years.

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You're Stone?

I don't follow?

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OK. Well, unless I am forgetting something pretty massive, I have no idea what that means.

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Roles and flavor are different things, no?

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I see what you're saying now.

So scum could have Jack and have scum doctor for example?

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There have been a ton of flavor softs already.

Not sure flavor claiming is helpful to town though

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I watched it.

And it's one of my favourite series ever tbh.

It did get worse towards the end though and the ending felt rushed. But yeah, a really good series.

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VOTE: Cephrir

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So 17 pages have happened since I went to work.

That's always nice. Got some reading to do. Or not. See how I feel.

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Cool. Thanks.
Real quick before you go.
Are you scum?

Come on now. I'm town as fuck

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VOTE: Frog

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I was under the impression Titus typically declined to heavily VCA D1.

Yes and in the KTANE game she read my slot as town D1 based on dayplay without VCA. I don't think she's ever FoSed my slot in any game we've played in before based on VCA or dayplay. It seems a little convenient she would FoS it now based on a skim when I'm the leading counterwagon to BBT.

My wagon sprang up to counter yours, actually.

Technically, I'm the counter wagon to you.

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Alright, it's finally the weekend and I'll be able to read this game properly.

Did not expect 61 pages though in the first few days...

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UNVOTE:

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I've read 20 pages so far.

Go me?

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Hi Bella,

Explain why you're voting me?

Thanks

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Also, I am only up to page 20 and I saw that Toog and Luke were in neighbourhoods. Has there been any news on the other people in there with them?

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Who is Taly?

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I just checked OP because, you know, common sense.

Umm, so neighbourhoods should probably be sorted, no? I know it's flavour based but indulge me.

Ethan infiltrates the camp of the survivors from plane crash and pretends he was one of the people on the plane. Could this be done in the form of a T/S neighbourhood?

Also, 2 neighbourhoods with T/T doesn't really make sense to me? If they're all town just make one of them a masonry or whatever?

I'm not great at game set up, but like, based on flavour I would think there is scum in the neighbourhoods somewhere. If someone is widely enough scum read from the neighbourhoods, that would be a good place to start

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Yeah I get that, it was just something that popped into my mind as I saw neighbourhoods being mentioned.

I'm not saying elim someone because they're in a neighbourhood. But if they're scummy AND they're in a neighbourhood, well that's just a bonus.

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How come all of the leading wagons in this game are really bad?

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Ceph, I don't have too much of an opinion on actually but he's not the scummiest player by any stretch from what I've read.

Frog wagon is bad though

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how come u arent doing anything about it then

I'm probably going to fight you soon.

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I'm only on page 20 though and things can change.

Seems unlikely in regards to you but you never know!

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That's exactly what I need.

I just need to produce something fake but I need time to do it.

I haven't had any time at all to do it yet. But sure. I need time.

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I mean, if you think I'm scum then I'm all ears.

Let's dance.

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I've got a fair few reads yeah, I can share if you really want it.

But like, reads lists are just meh.

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Lukewarm
Klick
Frogsterking
Malakittens
Enchant
Rad
Bellaphant
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Cephrir
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dunnstral
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Galron
Corwinoid
Bell
Cat Scratch Fever
T-Bone
Taly
JohnnyFarrar
Roden
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Dwlee99
MalcolmTucker
The toad
PenguinPower
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

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I was just about to move you up my list as well.

You just lost that privilege by dissing my reads list.

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Mala is pretty much flavour claim.

I don't see scum outing that straight away. Could be wrong, but yeah, don't see it. Same for Enchant really, being first to flavour claim just gives her town points.

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Willing to talk Ceph, what you want?

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Boop

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Bella, was my vote not sneaky anymore?

Also, don't vote Ceph please and can you talk to me about Penguin?

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I can see the ceph thing but think their first interactions with you/rad was weak. Pp I'm not convinced on.

This is what caught my attention. Has nothing developed from here?

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Corwin, you're scum reading me?

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Activity has been low because work. This game is going at a heavy pace and I knew I just wouldn't have the time to read it properly until the weekend. Given you have seen me play both alignments, I'm surprised you're using that as a reason to scum read me.

What is the wagon thing a reference too?

Also, during our scum game I had a 2 week break, hence the activity levels. In fact, if I remember right, my activity significantly slowed down towards the end of that game once I had gone back to work.

I do like your paranoia about not wanting to be fooled by scum!BBT though. You can be town for Today.

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@Taly I mean, I'm right here.

What you want?

I understand the read, I really do. I haven't seen Rad mention me yet, what's his read on me?

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Don't worry about the town game either, again, I understand haha.

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@Galron - Because I naked voted on two wagons.

But like, if that's people's reasons for their BEST scum read then there is something wrong.

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Taly is prob scum

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Quickly losing desire to vote, I actually asked

Galron

knowing you were probably around to see if you'd communicate directly.

The initial thought was that you were holding reads to stall in time to make them, because almost all of your posts up until recently have given little impression of your perspective on the game.

And yet you've posted a bit frequently and the tone and diction feels similar to what I've seen commonly with scum.

But given the past page, I'm going to think more on this.

Following people's reads are difficult, I don't remember what

Rad

thinks of you hahaha, 26p is a bigger bite to chew than I thought.

Justify your lowest reads, please :3

First part of this post is LAMIST - making it obvious that they were trying to 'sort me'

Stalling to make time for reads is also bad. As if I couldn't generate them on the spot if I really wanted to. Or even just disengage from the thread and come back another time given my activity levels thus far.

Tone and diction are buzzwords. This in no way clarifies WHY they think I'm scum. Poor generalisation.

The whole post is wishy-washy as well. Prob waiting to see where the tide flows on a potential BBT wagon.

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Frog, if not Ceph, then who?

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Read?

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Mine

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What are your thoughts on Penguin and OTH?

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Do you have any thoughts you could share right now?

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Above is @Frog

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Frog, can you answer my question please?

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Boop

I explained what I was seeing in my earlier posts.

I also haven't read past page 20 yet disregarding the last 5 pages or so

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I don't even know how that has happened

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Willing to talk Ceph, what you want?

Can you give me some words on any reads you feel relatively strongly about, perhaps?

Sure.

OTH felt super basic early game, posts like 214 look decent on the surface but when you actually analyze them there isn't much there. I also don't see how answers to their questions gain anything in terms of advancing reads. 261 is more of the same.

263 This is a poor push on Rad and seems to be the best they can come up with at this point of the game? Again, just basic, surface level posting.

278 They then meta'd themselves as an attempt at a defence for asking 'seemingly filler questions.'

Nothing they post comes across as genuine scumhunting and more of just trying to look busy, combine this with weak pushes and through the first 20 pages, they don't look great.

Penguin is an interesting one for me because as I was reading it felt like everyone and their dog were town reading them and I couldn't understand why. I didn't understand the vote on Bella (133) or the vote on Ceph [170. He says early votes are not serious, OK then, sure we'll go with that.

But then he says that he likes Frog's push back on OTH (283. This seems like it gives him a better reason to vote than his naked vote on Ceph. But he doesn't and as far as I'm caught up to, he still hasn't moved his vote. This probably wouldn't be a problem if the Ceph wagon wasn't the biggest and most prevalent wagon in the game at the time. It just feels like he stays on it much longer than he needs to (for a non-serious early game vote)

Other scum reads not as strong with minor reasons and explaining town reads has always seemed like nonsense to me - unless said person is likely to be elimmed of course.

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I also decided in answer to your question earlier about compromises on Ceph, that I'm willing to compromise vote Corwin because his claim that I showed preferential treatment to Mala looked like shade, and I respect the process I took to reach 1 out of 3 Corwin/Roden/BBT, I'm willing to stand by it as far as Corwin goes even though since then I've thought you and Roden seem more likely to flip town.

I don't want to elim Corwin today.

You seem in agreement about Penguin, so, how about it?

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Possible scum

Galron
Cephrir
Dancing Puppets
Roden
The toad

Talk to me about Ceph and Toad?

@bbt, ceph improved in my eyes for a bit and then a wagon formed on him and he actually got worse! He got weird and ate and sarky

I haven't read up to this point yet. I asked earlier if you had any developments on Penguin from your early game ping, did you have anything else? Would you be willing to vote there today?

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Mine

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Embarrassing.

Who wants to be first to correctly read me? Most sus person in the game for 2 nakes votes. After 70+ pages. Bat-shit insane

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I agree.

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My man, Frog!

If anyone still thinks Frog is scum, you need to give your head a wobble.

I'm the counter to his wagon and EVERYONE is scum reading me. It's so easy for scum!Frog to go along with this to kill his wagon completely.

Frog is town. So am I. Now go find scum. Thanks.

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Yeah, I got that

Was just focusing on how the leading wagons in this game are bad and town should probably do something about that.

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I thought you were getting run up pretty flimsyily but I do not like this. The last time I saw this argument both players were scum lol. How strange.

Ewwww.

The last time I got wagoned I was town. So what?

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I'm not saying it is

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I'm making the point of how whatever happened last time is not relevant in anyway to what is happening now.

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DO something about it?

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Also, we're both citing things that are absolutely nothing to do with this game.

But the way you phrased yours is particularly scummy.

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T-bone's posting isn't making any sense for anyone paying attention.

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Explain?

T-Bone tracks IMO, even if the conclusion is wrong.

Because it doesn't matter if what I said and what he said is the same thing or not. The premise is the same that what happened outside of this game has absolutely no relevance on what is happening in this game.

Further, he then says that my response is an attempt to manipulate people. Can you explain how my response is an attempt to manipulate people? Because I don't see it.

If anything, his response about Frog and myself is a manipulation of the game state in trying to ensure that two of the leading wagons stay exactly where they are.

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It's actually more interesting that bbt sprung up as the ceph counter, in hindsight.
P-edit I'm going to have to iso Dunn aren't I.

Bella, I really need you to move away from Ceph please.

Can you have a look at Penguin? Or OTH?

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VOTE: Penguin

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Ceph, I don't have too much of an opinion on actually but he's not the scummiest player by any stretch from what I've read.

Frog wagon is bad though

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Corwin, talk more about your read on me? In our newbie, you said you came into the game with a lean scum read on me before you replaced in.

Given that, why are you suddenly so paranoid about trying to read me?

I'm down for a Toad wagon as well. Haven't seen much from them in the 20 pages I've read but enough to vote.

Nobody interested in Penguin?

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Bbt what page are you on in your catch up?

I've read the first 20 thoroughly and I'm aware of what's happened over the most recent 20 pages or so too

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Why are you so bothered by my Penguin read? I spent last night interacting in real time rather than catching up because that's a better way to form reads. There is only so much time I can give one game.

Can you tell me how the Frog wagon 'wasn' t sticking' and why scum!BBT would want to redirect? Instead of, say, staying on the biggest wagon outside of my own?

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What info am I ignoring?

The Frog wagon petered out after I was the first person to unvote him. Again, scum motivation being what?

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Not ignoring, just not caught up fully yet. If I said I'm never reading those 46 pages, then you

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have a point.

Why doesn't scum!BBT come in with a fresh Frog case and just push it? The wagon was sat at 7 votes before I unvoted.

Your reasoning for why scum!BBT redirects is literally making 0 sense. What does 'scum motivation is town!Frog push failed' even mean?

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Frog, vote Penguin?

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Pooky, you post a lot but don't say a lot.

You feel me?

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It's def. more paranoia than scum read, like how can I not after I got a peek behind the curtain and saw you both-ways everything?

Maybe people think you're paranoid because you actually said your read on me was more paranoia than scum read?

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Right.

But you haven't answered my inital question of you reading me correctly in the Newbie and so why am I suddenly difficult to read?

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How about that Penguin though?

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OK, even though it's meta based, do you have reason to town read Penguin this game? If so, talk to me about it.

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Hmm, I don't see why scum!Penguin couldn't do that. Seems pretty easy, especially given how easy the reads list is to attack (another reason reads lists are awful)

What do you make of them nakedly hopping on my wagon and staying there for eternity? You know, given how many scum reads I managed to accumulate by simply joining an early Frog wagon with a naked vote, I'm astonished that Penguin has done the same thing and literally gained 0 attention from it.

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BBT do you really think your wagon happened because of your naked votes or is that just a meme

It's just facts

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VOTE: Frog

VOTE: Frog

That's one naked vote too many.

VOTE: BBT

I imagine my wagon looks like a convenient place to park a vote right now and BBT is pretty, you know, not present in the game.

VOTE: BBT

wake up

VOTE: bbt

VOTE: bbt

I actually read some of ktane as it was happening, not enough to follow all the bomb stuff, enough to grab some town reads.

My last post, followed by these 5 votes. VC said Cat voted me as well but I must have missed it. All of these votes came before I posted again.

Like, if I'm not being voted for naked votes, then I'm being voted for being inactive? Like, help me understand.

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Cat's was an RVS vote so... Wow. They sat on me a long time and I'm not sure why Dunnstral's vote is before theirs on my wagon.

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VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Reasoning:

-Second player to "not realize" that flavor does not relate to alignment in post 29, something which I find mafia might try to fake to look like a townie.
-In post 68 they gently warn the town against flavor claiming. I personally feel it is not a very big deal (as opposed to the constant stream of impulsively claiming roles we seem to be dealing with already especially) and this is an easy angle for mafia to take to look reasonable.
-They voted for Cephrir with no reasoning. They have continued to vote Cephrir and continued to not provide any reasons. They have not even commented on it in a quick check-up.

This was Dunnstral's vote.

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VOTE: BBT

Oh yeah.

Here is your vote.

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Well, when you look at the votes I accumulated and you consider my wagon lasted from 1075 up until 1699 then you have to consider the fact that it was a convenient place for scum to sit.

The fact I was 6(?) or 7(?) people's top scum read for a significant portion of the game based off of a naked vote is astonishing. I understand they can't all be scum, but scum took advantage of that situation for sure.

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Worried is not the word I would use. Especially when my wagon isn't even relevant any more.

Suspicious fits much better. That was a horrible post Bella.

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I mean, you understand who I'm trying to get people to vote for, right?

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Bella, I'm not following you at all here.

I literally just showed you a bunch of naked votes on my wagon, Dunn, Frog and your main reason for voting me was my naked votes. So that's 3 at the very, very least. These reads were held as their (your) best scum read FOR 25 PAGES. How do you not see a problem with that?

How is talking about my wagon not progressing the game? It gives me people to look at, one of which I am trying to get people to vote, but it's not happening.

What the fuck Bella?

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It feels strange to me that you seem to be not really engaging with the fact that your counter was ceph, who you also don't want people to vote. I actually share 2/3 of your other scum reads, so this point bugs me.

Right, but counter wagon doesn't matter too much as only 7 votes. Like I said, they can't all be scum on my wagon but I expect scum to take advantage of a very comfortable place to sit for a long period of time.

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I don't even remember where I was trying to go with this anymore.

I'll come back to this later

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You're absolutely right Bella.

My apologies, and thank you

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The 25 pages thing is completely irrelevant given we're in a large. That were some really bad takes from me and I kind of wish I could delete them.

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Bella you made me feel dumb. On the brightside, I'm pretty sure you're town now so I got something from it.

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I was completely oblivious to the timing. I didn't realise it was only from Fri morning to Sat night, I just based it off # of posts and pages.

Every game I have played since being back has been remarkably slow and I've just caught onto something that wasn't relevant in the slightest.

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Penguin and Dunn have both hit the "good enough for Day 1" threshold for me.

Luke, can you talk to me about this?

Apologies for going so far back, but it only takes a quick ISO. Where did the town read on Penguin come from?

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Also mine?

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I actually share 2/3 of your other scum reads, so this point bugs me.

Tell me more

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Come on Bella, you want me of all people, to comment on meta?

PEdit - Join the Penguin wagon please.

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Yeah but you're like 'You did this thing that you did as scum last game, too!' which is meta.

I mean, sure, I've said and done some things this game that I did in our last game where I was scum. What does that tell you?

Especially coming from someone you know manipulates their meta as best they can.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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Penguin is an interesting one for me because as I was reading it felt like everyone and their dog were town reading them and I couldn't understand why. I didn't understand the vote on Bella (133) or the vote on Ceph [170. He says early votes are not serious, OK then, sure we'll go with that.

But then he says that he likes Frog's push back on OTH (283. This seems like it gives him a better reason to vote than his naked vote on Ceph. But he doesn't and as far as I'm caught up to, he still hasn't moved his vote. This probably wouldn't be a problem if the Ceph wagon wasn't the biggest and most prevalent wagon in the game at the time. It just feels like he stays on it much longer than he needs to (for a non-serious early game vote)

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From bad vote to worse vote. This is town!Dunn here.

Based on what?

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I'm sorry? In what way does that respond to my post on Penguin?

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Dunnstral tried to discredit town reads on Bell (483)
Then he TR Enchant when almost her entire ISO is naked votes. He also gives a LAMIST comment of 'I'm not giving anyone a pass' (720)
Then comes his over explained vote on me. SR me for confusing flavour/alignment (I was second to do it he says, so what about first and 3rd, are they scum, too?) Why am I different to the other two? SR me for saying we shouldn't be flavour claiming - completely NAI post and I believe Luke seconds this(?) so again, what's different? Then adds in that I'm naked voting people even though he is TR Enchant who has spent the entire game doing so.

PEdit - @Dancing, I didn't mention meta in my read on Penguin. What are you talking about? I clearly stated what I didn't like about Penguin and it happened in this game.

@T-Bone - I was voting Penguin. Now I am voting Dunnstral.

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She's town

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@Luke, what do you make of Penguin liking the push on OTH from Frog but not joining with a vote?

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Mine?

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Good stuff from Malcolm.

Bad stuff from Johnny.

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I'm gonna be honest - those posts where there are multiple quotes and you're trying to figure out who said what, I mostly just gloss over.

I like Malcolm for town though so yeah, that's where I'm at with that.

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2360 is really bad

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I'd actually contend that this pushing on me is disingenuous and based on day old knowledge. I've made a POE that I'm slowly working through and have even ISOd YOU and you don't seem to have noticed or care. Why are you so against Pooky being townread? Why did you show up when Ceph voted you but not when I was talking about you yesterday?

Like, what makes the push disingenuous? Why is it being based on 'day old knowledge' a bad thing and how does it discredit the push in anyway?

Why does he mention Malcolm ignoring him? Is that supposed to be scummy? Is he saying that Malcolm showing up when Ceph voted him but not when Johnny talked about him scummy? If not, why mention it? If so, how so?

Like all of that post reads very badly

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Mine?

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Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Hahaha. Hold this L. This is quoted for end of game.

I fucking love my sig.

The meta read on Corwin is equally bad, too.

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Is that Titus or Nancy?

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Aww, not as happy then.

Still though, always nice for someone to get a meta read so horrifically wrong.

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I can show you scum!Corwin getting irritated too? So what?

I have quoted it to show you how bad this is post game.

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I agree, the slot is likely to be town.

You said you did a meta dive. How did you miss one of his most recent games?

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Cool, rads still town.

He is?

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Hi RCE.

You're now my Nemesis

I have special eyes reserved just for you in this game my friend. Be town. Or die. Your choice.

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I don’t really feel much from Rad. But it might be an idiosyncracy thing.
Tbh, I’ve started scum reading them for awhile now. But they’re low in my priority list.

Rad's recent flip on DP I think it was was pretty terrible

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Alright, I stand corrected.

On two counts

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RCE,

Is is town of the green variety?

Or town of the red pretending to be green variety?

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It concerned me more that they didn’t really have too much to say about us but seemed to omgus read MT and Drap.

How do you read T-Bone? I keep being up and down on that slot.

The biggest thing for me was that he said he had been leaning scum on you all game but did absolutely nothing to try and further/push that read.

I don't have a read on T-Bone, I can't say I have paid him a great deal of attention. I find a lot of the things he posts to be NAI.

I do remember him town reading Ceph as his wagon was building which I kind of liked. He also voted OTH at one point which I kind of liked, too.

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How so?

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Rad, are you suggesting widely town read people should be able to do whatever they want without being questioned otherwise it's scum trying to undermine town reads?

Because it sounds like that's what you're saying.

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No, I'm saying that any town slot that's being widely read as town is horrendously dangerous to scum and they need to be taken down a slot. Maybe town accomplishes that for them, or maybe scum has to push it. But it has to happen.

Do you disagree?

Yeah, I do.

Just kill them? Unless their reads are bad, then let them live and continue making bad pushes while leading town?

You disagree?

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Can we please trim down these fucking quotes?

Makes the page impossible to read

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Mine?

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I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

Right, OK. So you agree that scum can just kill top town reads.

So, why bother wasting energy and drawing attention to themselves in thread by trying to push/discredit them?

You're literally arguing against your own original point here.

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You're scum reading me Titus?

This is so funny.

Pedit - First part is about Rad, T-bone.

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Because I know you use meta. So, yeah, I'll enjoy that post game I guess.

Any reasons why I'm scum? Or just meta?

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I'm done with that conversation.

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Hi Titus,

Why am I scum?

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Mala, you too?

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The mystical VCA. I didn't get a hello. I don't see solving.

I need hugs and constant affirmation I'm a good person.

~Titus

I mean, I JUST said Hi.

You haven't seen solving? That's not fair. I've done plenty.

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What are your contributions?

Wow. How rude.

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Bella, talk to me about Penguin and Ceph?

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Mine?

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This game is impossible to keep up with.

I go to sleep or I go to work and it's 20-30 pages every single time

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Has Roden been elimmed or not?

I mean, a Mason claim just clear

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Just clears two people so why would we not do that?

This also ties into my early game theory of some neighbourhoods being opposite alignment.

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Pagetop?

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Wait, hold on. Roles are not revealed upon death so it's surely +EV for scum to NOT have the Mason claim? If it's a fake claim, and only one of them claim, then they get a ride off of it. If it's fake, two scum would have to claim Mason to make it viable, no?

What is the downside to Mason claiming if it's true?

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Masons are hardly game breaking either so to assume they would be insta killed is kind of like, meh?

An unassailable crumb would be difficult to find, no?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Flavor =/= alignment

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Masons are hardly game breaking either so to assume they would be insta killed is kind of like, meh?

An unassailable crumb would be difficult to find, no?

the surviving partner should be told about the crumb in the PT so they can point it out

I'm dumb.

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OK, if Roden leaves clear crumbs then I guess Mason shouldn't claim then

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What mistake?

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OK? And that's a mistake because?

Am I missing context here or?

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It's funny how people are talking about BB or Dunn being scum and I was laughed off the face of the thread for suggesting it earlier in the game.

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Why is it bad? Roles not revealed upon death, so like, yeah? Seems a decent enough claim?

I mean Masons and 4(?) neighbourhoods is pretty wild. Also, you say 'already explained' like 40 pages were not added to this thread while I was working

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Why is that better than crumbing?

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bbt can u stop complaining about the page number

its not like every page is required reading

i havent read like half the pages since page 100

just play the game. you not gonna get quizzed at the end on every little thing that happens.

No because it's absurd

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Ew. Self-meta. The worst kind of meta of all.

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Yeah I don't really ever play Larges, might have played one in my entire time on site?

I do like to read everything, so yeah, this is a real struggle.

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Frog you're all over the place here

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Mine?

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Mine?

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Not going to be able to get to this until tomorrow night which I'm sure will add another 60 pages.

The flooding in this game is so anti-town it's unreal

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VOTE: MathBlade

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Didn't realise Frog was a rolecop. Was wondering about the kills but that makes sense now.

I'll reiterate one more time - flooding thread is anti-town at the very least. So much info gets drowned out.

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I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

You're like 100% wrong on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

Tell me more about this

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Well, you're wrong on me and your push is awful. You're saying it's unlikely that in a 26 player game, 21 of which are town, that we would have 3 D1 wagons on town? Like, the wagons on 6 or 7 votes are pretty much meaningless given they're barely 50% of the way to a lim. I don't see what you're getting at at all? The kill on a Mason makes little sense does it? Your NKA is just as bad as your VCA.

Why is the Math push easy and why does easy = town? As if Math being sick has absolutely anything to do with the vote, let's not get silly here.

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Mine

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Nah, you don't get to do that BS push on me and then just step off.

No way. You better explain that shit right now

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You've basically just said to flip me for information, that's laughable.

I wonder if scum are using NKA/VCA to frame me. Is it only DP and Math that have mentioned this?

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I don't care which of you is doing what. You can sort your dissonance elsewhere.

That push on me is not being side stepped.

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Titus is a huge proponent of VCA and I’m not convinced you’re town here based on your play during Deputy Cultists where you were town, so I could easily switch our vote back.

You’re one the slots I’m not currently tr.

As am I. The problem with Titus' VCA is that it's extremely basic. Like, level 0 analysis. 'Two wagons were town therefore 3rd wagon is scum'. That's horrific.

You really shouldn't use meta to read me.

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If Titus wants to switch our vote back, I’m not opposed. I just really hated Enchant’s Taly vote.

I’m okay with Enchant/Math/BBT but Titus thinks Math could be town, so idk. I really didn’t like BBT’s reaction to my voting Enchant, since I don’t see anything remotely suss about my vote.

My reaction to you voting Enchant? My reaction was nothing to do with that and everything to do with your slot making an awful push on me and then just trying to sidestep it.

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I'm okay with an Enchant vote since he put Frogster over BBT.

BBT, why am I wrong on you? Why should I side with you over someone whose VCA seems to match my own...

~Titus

See previous post about your VCA being level 0 analysis.

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If you are town, you should scumread Enchant and possibly Bella as their votes kept the conversation on TvT wagons.

~Titus

What is this in reference to?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your wagon and gamestate.

~Titus

Can you link posts or something?

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It's not lockscum but I have no reason to TR you. Gamestate says you're scum. The other VCA person agrees with this analysis.

If you hate my initial one, where's yours?

~Titus

Tell me more about how the gamestate makes me scum. And I don't mean keep using generic, vague statements that include buzzwords.

I mean the nitty gritty.

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Wait, I thought Dunn was a Mason?

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And Frog was rolecop?

Dunn being killed is a strange one then, no?

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I legit don't know how people are keeping up with this game.

Can someone give an overall summary of everything that's happened while I'm here please?

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I was really looking forward to this game and I'm not enjoying it at all

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Honestly, I like to read closely so it's completely NAI. As scum, I would probably want to read even closer tbf to make sure I didn't slip up about anything.

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Lol. Level 0.

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I don't even know what that means.

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Math/DP prob scum. So that's nice.

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I haven't read the damn game.

But you're still scum.

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Logical? Fuck. Me.

You call your push logical? It's awful

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Logical? Fuck. Me.

You call your push logical? It's awful

You call all your pushers wolf?
Logical? Fuck. Me.

Are you being facetious?

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Right.

But the level 0 analysis from DP is saying that because Ceph and Frog were town, that I MUST be scum. And nobody is questioning them on that push at all. Like, in what world is that acceptable?

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How can anyone possibly read this game? It gets 20 pages every 8 hours, I have absolutely no qualms about saying I haven't read about 80% of this game.

Because a CW to town doesn't equal scum. It simply doesn't work like that. Especially when said wagons barely gained momentum and had 6 or 7 votes when they needed 14 to lim. It's piss poor analysis and I refuse to believe that comes from town!Titus

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Of course it's OMGUS, your push on me is absolutely horrific.

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Because it's so basic. It's such an easy and lazy push for scum to make.

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Level 0