LOST (Game Over)

[Taly]

hey lovelies it's the beakiest bitch of them all

uh I only read this past page and I think Gal/Rad town/town is above rand

Theres like 5 scenarios I imagine mutual paranoia going between S/S and T/S and "how would you react to that" and "we do this all the time so is this valid?" do not strike as scum dialogue

Also Bell townlean for healthy caution in the PT

[Taly]

Fuck, sorry Bell

[Taly]

I am prepping for a presentation so cannot make good real-time convo at the moment, but we want to know what are good pages to read content wise.

And I say "we" because I'm plural.

Think of us as a hydra that shares a body.

Pedit

Fuck, sorry Bell

Taly, what made you think Bell had claimed?

I did a very short ISO skim on Toog's beginning of the game and saw that the PT was known, then a logic leap that Bell was outed.

[Taly]

I think I need to see a reads list or something from Toad.

PEdit:

Titus is probably scum, Titus hasn't had any trouble reading my slot as town in the past, and if I'm correct about my townreads on my wagon, my wagon is a very attractive place for scum to park a vote right now.

Not convinced re: Titus-scum

Summarize the townreads on your wagon?

[Taly]

Gotta present in 40 min and I'm dissociated! Yay!

[Taly]

pocketed

[Taly]

Frogs, why is BBT likelier scum than Titus?

Luke, why did you consider Galron?

[Taly]

yay people are noticing me



as supreme toucan overlord, i demand tribute be paid in toucan sam gifs.

Taly is here! Hi Taly!

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me,

me want conversation

Frogs, why is BBT likelier scum than Titus?

Luke, why did you consider Galron?

Among BBT or Dancing Puppets I'm not sure which is more likely to be a scum slot. I think the BBT slot is objectively scummy by looking at the iso, and the Dancing Puppets slot is just pinging me hard based on my own subjective experiences. Unless BBT starts posting more, there's a higher chance I'll turn around on my Dancing Puppets read, as I've done with Malcolm and Galron already. I think there's a slightly lower chance I turn around on the Dancing Puppets slot because my PoE is getting tighter.

i might have missed but i also inquired on why you townread the people on your wagon

*Back pats T-bone*
You're wrong try again.
Also hi Taly!

lets gossip in the PT doll

i demand

nancy/titus/gamma/galron/pooky/dwlee (when you recover bb)

acknowledge me, my inertia as a replacement is weak so i want to skip this phase ASAP

BBT

, was that

frog

vote just to counter the wagon further or is there reason behind the vote?

[Taly]

pooky

your name will be changed to

poopy

if you dont meme next post with me

[Taly]

nani

olvido como rapidamente estos juegos son.

un hora por favor

[Taly]

BRO WHERE TF AM I ON THIS

[Taly]

actual content shortly

[Taly]

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

[Taly]

it's summer y'all

[Taly]

Greetings. I may take interest in this soon, if circumstances permit.

I am a "headmate/alter." But we prefer the first term, Taly does. We can't think of an alternativel

~Sol

[Taly]

hmm, do i learn from every large game ive played last year or do i form a townbloc right here right now

[Taly]

Order matters very little, I'd prefer to do a tier-style list but figured it's most coherent to stick with the structure.

town

Galron
Rad
PookyTheFluffyBear

+ null

Dancing Puppets
Dunn
Bell
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
JohnnyFarrar
Lukewarm
Roden
Corwinoid

? null

Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null

BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

***

= notes for people to look at next, or people I haven't actually give any skim at or contact with so far

For as little as the townbin is I'd fight for it.

[Taly]

There's plenty of null due to typical dissonance among the system, and the dayphase being early.

Sol

[Taly]

Why town Gal? Why -null T-Bone?

It's partially gut but I've played with

Galron

multiple times against, same alignment, and as a hydra. Difficult to verbalize but I don't see an agenda, a lot of their posts look like doubtcasting at face-value but they read to me as a genuine thought process and critic.

It's also connected to my

Rad

townread and their interactions. In my opening page, I commented on their interactions their and the initial read stuck, especially with

Rad's

communication towards me.

As for

T-Bone

, a lot of it is disagreement with the assessment of

Bell

, but I'm a biased party as a PT partner. So I thought to watch how that read progresses without my commentary.

Also, I took the wrong meds at the wrong time earlier, and I might be a little loopy / LA this afternoon. Yay.

bless, sorry to hear that!

pedit

Order matters very little, I'd prefer to do a tier-style list but figured it's most coherent to stick with the structure.

town

Galron
Rad
PookyTheFluffyBear

+ null

Dancing Puppets
Dunn
Bell
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
JohnnyFarrar
Lukewarm
Roden
Corwinoid

? null

Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null

BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

***

= notes for people to look at next, or people I haven't actually give any skim at or contact with so far

For as little as the townbin is I'd fight for it.

Taly I'm only doing 3 colors, green yellow and red.

I dunno how you want those nulls to be split up lemme know

uhhh

bring

+ null and town

together

<3

PEDIT AGAIN FFS

UNVOTE:

I had no internet access the entire day yesterday so don’t know when I’m going to catch up. so Titus told me I could unvote, so I did.

~Nancy

nancy <3

[Taly]

oh, we are darling

[Taly]

actually i thought i did too LOL i scrolled and read that

bell

was like

"give PT at least 5 minutes break"

in this thread and i was like:

n a n i

i feel better about

bell

than this morning

[Taly]

Galron

give me some input on

BBT

we got conflicting feels

[Taly]

@Taly I mean, I'm right here.

What you want?

I understand the read, I really do. I haven't seen Rad mention me yet, what's his read on me?

Quickly losing desire to vote, I actually asked

Galron

knowing you were probably around to see if you'd communicate directly.

The initial thought was that you were holding reads to stall in time to make them, because almost all of your posts up until recently have given little impression of your perspective on the game.

And yet you've posted a bit frequently and the tone and diction feels similar to what I've seen commonly with scum.

But given the past page, I'm going to think more on this.

Following people's reads are difficult, I don't remember what

Rad

thinks of you hahaha, 26p is a bigger bite to chew than I thought.

Justify your lowest reads, please :3

[Taly]

y'all i live rent free in this fucking game

i searched my name to see who to reply to and im not sure where to begin because of the volume of posts that came up and i dont know if thats most productive so uh

hi im here and queer

[Taly]

johnny

did you get to my thoughts about slots im familiar with earlier?

i vaguely skimmed

BBT's

takedown on a post, i dont think "LAMIST" is ever an appropriate depiction of my playstyle.

cor

, you made a post implying you felt the same but wanted

BBT

to expand - what is your vex with me?

pooky/t-bone

i want to hear your take of

marci

!scum

kind of lost on the

johnny

scumreads

[Taly]

Why you even asking for cases at day 1, just vote.

Noobs.

i like this, surface level tells me there is both a lack of opportunism and agenda, so + to a towny thought process.

~

umbra:

ready to scumhunt yet?
no, me want to feel good on townies right now

umbra:

and post our communication here?
so our thought process is elaborated candidly

sol:

i agree

umbra:

if you wont soon, i will.

Spoiler: me, an upcoming graduate student

[Taly]

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

[Taly]

pooky/t-bone i want to hear your take of marci!scum

I'ma be honest I don't know who Marci is.

off the hook

hydra

johnny did you get to my thoughts about slots im familiar with earlier?

I did bubbie the only one that caught me off was bell but I remembered later that you have a PT together so you're obviously gonna play nice
(Tho he do be doing that anime villain thing where he makes a triangle with his fingers every time he posts, tho)

i can form a pentagram with my fingers if that helps~

honestly the vibe in our PT feels moment-to-moment but im trying to avoid paranoia as much as possible.

I guess I expected games of this size to be less... reachy? Like there's more people but still I'm like lost for a vote and the thought of 14 of us agreeing on anything sounds bananas

pooky's

the closest to build a consensus actively within this plist, you think that is town or scum motivated?

[Taly]

johnny

did you get to my thoughts about slots im familiar with earlier?

i vaguely skimmed

BBT's

takedown on a post, i dont think "LAMIST" is ever an appropriate depiction of my playstyle.

cor

, you made a post implying you felt the same but wanted

BBT

to expand - what is your vex with me?

pooky/t-bone

i want to hear your take of

marci

!scum

kind of lost on the

johnny

scumreads

I read those as joke posts re: Marci.

I don’t think he is either. Think Cephir could be town because he sounds different than in PA. I’m so lost as to who’s scum. :/

ill switch gears a bit since several people have expressed feeling lost here

anyone in my

+ null / town

list in 1704 is off the table for me today unless any whack shit is pulled or a consensus is absolutely necessaru.

(possible exceptions: T-Bone + as of recent, I want to hear from Cor about my question, I liked OTH's recent post about me, felt in good faith.)

? null
Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

this is the PoE but it's too large to suggest it as so, it's more of who i am going to focus on sorting for an elimination.

i have no clue how many scum there are in this large a playerlist but 6-7 seem safe?

so roughly half the list is town, other is scum, given i am often wrong on 2 scum at this stage of a large game, 8-9 townies.

PoE needs to be quickly chopped down to 3.

gameplan set, yay!

pedit

pooky/t-bone i want to hear your take of marci!scum

I'ma be honest I don't know who Marci is.

off the hook

hydra

I was joking cause they are in a hydra.

I have Off the Hook as a scumlean but I don't remember why off the top of my head and I haven't reevaluated as of yet since I haven't found anything they've posted recently that caught my eye. But like if you have a meta reason for reading them town, that doesn't resonate with me, so I couldn't engage you on that point.

oof me bad at interpreting jokes online

and fair enough

honestly the vibe in our PT feels moment-to-moment but im trying to avoid paranoia as much as possible.

I sympathize

pooky's the closest to build a consensus actively within this plist, you think that is town or scum motivated?

I like pooky for town. The list would be a brilliant thing to hide behind as scum, but I think he's being forthcoming with his own thoughts as well

we agree on something makes me feel more confident then.

[Taly]

2022 Taly Reading Setup Before Making Important Game Assessments: 0/1

It's an official counter.

Sol

[Taly]

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.

Spoiler: cursed GIF

pedit

Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/

oh i felt better with

pooky

!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town

[Taly]

Spoiler:

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.

[cursed GIF]

pedit

Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/

oh i felt better with

pooky

!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town

It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.

good point,

@T-Bone for p-edit

I think it's counterintuitive for scum because scum can often mold the gamestate to their desires, by keeping an active record of gamestate and consensus for town in real-time, it's more difficult to misconstrue events in favor for a scum-aligned narrative later.

how do you feel about

galron

,

nancy

?

pedit again

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

then whats an AI action from

pooky

in your eyes so far, if one?

[Taly]

Spoiler: Johnny's Poe

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Roden
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
PenguinPower
Bell
Cephrir
Frogsterking

Spoiler: Taly's Poe

Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

@Taly when comparing our lists, these are the people you've removed but I haven't:
Bell (we discussed, feel free to skip explanation)
Bellaphant
Roden
Galron
Mala
Nancy and Titus

Do you care to help me remove them from mine?

I'm missing:
T-Bone, and I don't think T-Bone scum goes after the post restricted Ircher slot. Seems actively un-fun, unless they're scum together but we're gonna save that paranoia for later

oof, it was lost on me that

Cytosine/Guanine

were post-restricted? where is the source?

bella:

I liked the questions they've asked so far and the timing at which they were done, need me to pick them out?

roden:

saw them posit a town/town between two players in a post? (i should review this at some point) don't think that's typical for scum behavior when there's no notable 1v1s occurring? it's enough to make my eyes go somewhere else.

mala:

ive seen mislimmed early-game for a lack of active, focused, nuanced content - i dont think they're a player that's well-read given the current site culture. im weary, i want to give this slot some time. itll be an easier sort later.

nancy/titus/galron:

best that you ISO me for reads on these two slots.

I agree with CSF and Frogster that Johnny's read on Frog seems quite weak. If nobody else had been particularly SR'ing the slot then I'd put it down to town just having a gut-read early on. But given Frog got quite a lot of attention early on I think it's possible Johnny saw some momentum on a player that looks townie now and felt like it would be an ideal place to put their vote as scum.

From one POV you'd expect them to have backed off by now considering there's essentially an admission their read isn't that strong, but I think it's also possible Johnny could be fairly self-aware scum here if they haven't pushed much elsewhere and want to look as if they're at least trying to maintain some sort of pressure on a slot.

nah im not feeling the

johnny

scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

you think im being pocketed?

[Taly]

VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

oh shit, THIS IS BREAKABLE HAHAHAHA.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

what is better is that quotes are excluded, so we can feed

C&G

lines.

Spoiler: Cytosine & Guanine, you guys can do a readslist by just bolding what you agree with, or removing the text that is incorrect, it's STILL a quote!

BlueBloodedToffee is scum is town is null is ?
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) is scum is town is null is ?
Malakittens is scum is town is null is ?
Taly Toogeloo is scum is town is null is ?
PookyTheMagicalBear is scum is town is null is ?
MalcolmTucker is scum is town is null is ?
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) is scum is town is null is ?
Galron is scum is town is null is ?
Cephrir is scum is town is null is ?
Frogsterking is scum is town is null is ?
Roden is scum is town is null is ?
Rad is scum is town is null is ?
Corwinoid is scum is town is null is ?
The toad is scum is town is null is ?
Enchant is scum is town is null is ?
Dwlee99 is scum is town is null is ?
Bellaphant is scum is town is null is ?
Klick is scum is town is null is ?
Bell is scum is town is null is ?
Dunnstral is scum is town is null is ?
JohnnyFarrar is scum is town is null is ?
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) is scum is town is null is ?
T-Bone is scum is town is null is ?
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey is scum is town is null is ?
Lukewarm is scum is town is null is ?
PenguinPower is scum is town is null is ?

Ircher thinks
RH9 thinks
Ircher disagrees agrees
RH9 disagrees agrees

[Taly]

fuck oh well the toucan tried

i need to shower, and unplug from this

goodnight y'all if this is my last post tonight

<3

[Taly]

hi im half-asleep and just ate a cheese sandwich and its midnight and i need to sleep and my headmates are all gathered in the headspace holding hands and shit

[Taly]

mhm, soaked away all the filth and debauchery, im now fresh and clean enough for my soul to get stained with blood for the next day

[Taly]

some stains are never cleaned

umbra

[Taly]

on this ominous note, goodnight for real

goodnight, buenas noches, bonen noktos

[Taly]

you think im being pocketed? (johnny)

May not necessarily be a deliberate pocketing but it's not impossible - scum can fake being constructive when it's useful, or if they think town are perhaps going down the wrong path. My no1 issue with Johnny after a look through their ISO is their primary SR is someone they don't even seem to particularly strongly SR. Of course, you could argue scum would be more aware of this and would have backup reads ready if their main read fades away but in a game of this size it's probably more viable for scum, if they seem helpful, to slip through the cracks early on because there's so many players and it's easy to miss when one individual scum doesn't necessarily have any reads they've managed to make look genuine.

I'm also running low with scumreads so I share

Johnny's

problem tbh, anyone in

{Rad/Galron/Pooky//Dancing Puppets}

you disagree with being townbinned?

Spoiler:

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.

[cursed GIF]

pedit

Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/

oh i felt better with

pooky

!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town

It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.

good point,

@T-Bone for p-edit

I think it's counterintuitive for scum because scum can often mold the gamestate to their desires, by keeping an active record of gamestate and consensus for town in real-time, it's more difficult to misconstrue events in favor for a scum-aligned narrative later.

how do you feel about

galron

,

nancy

?

pedit again

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

then whats an AI action from

pooky

in your eyes so far, if one?

I think Galron’s town. If you’ve read my ISO you’d see thar he was one of the slots. I hard vetoed limming today. Galron appears to be genuinely solving, so I totally do not get the srs on him at all.

glad that your slot is town this game hehe

im proposing the same question to

malcolm

to you, what about

rad/johnny

?

Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook

So this is my POE if I trust Taly. Which I do. I'm gonna see how many ISOs I can stomach before my eyes cross

Pedit: Taly we tried breaking this already

im curious, i came in with several slots cautious or scumreading me but you've taken to conversation very well, why?

2080 is super town, tbone! What's your issue with cat.
?

explain please

bluebloodedtoffee is obvscum cmon guys!!

Do you think bbts response to me is more town or scum? Specifically the climb down.

My first thought is the whiplash seems convenient, but knowing that you and

BBT

have had consistent banter, it feels more plausible for town to seek resolution.

umbra:

disagreed, i think its fear, jump up and climb down is too distant to be sincere.

VOTE: Roden

Feeling alright about Roden as possible scum at the moment.

Looking back and their reads list feels quite weak - the town section is quite generic with the exception of maybe Gaston. They have three SRs, one of whom is Toad, who their case against seems pretty weak, with C&G being another, again a SR that doesn't say much given their posting restriction.

While I'm reluctant to go too heavily on associatives early on I think Roden/Galron is a possible team - Roden's defence of Galron when they came under pressure didn't do much for me and felt like the type of early defence a scum teammate could easily make for their buddy.

I’m mulling back and forth whether his noncommittal read on me is possible a way to position to potentially push us later or why scum!Roden wouldn’t just straight up try to pocket me. Like I would expect Roden to tr me here, irrespective his alignment because there hasn’t been a single game that he hasn’t.

This feels like a town thought to me

@Luke

I disagree on

Galron

, I may have asked you earlier about that read but haven't seen a reply.

I'm also confused on

C&G

being anywhere but null or off the table given how they can't actually communicate their thoughts in the thread.

What was the issue about

Roden's

defense, specifically?

@Nancy

Let's dissect your uncertainty, what would a town and scum motive for

Roden

to push you to be?

~~~

@Cor

1738, I still want to hear what reason you had for your read here.

@CSF

I want you to challenge me on my

Gal/Johnny

townreads.

[Taly]

im curious, i came in with several slots cautious or scumreading me but you've taken to conversation very well, why?

Is this a question for me?

si amigo por favor

@Taly

nah im not feeling the johnny scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

About your Johnny read, I found this and the tail end of 2003

I don't know if pooky town is a hot take. Even with some people here clearly wary of their scumgame, they're still in the top 5 townreads

I saw the PoE stuff, and I was kind of interested to see where he landed with that. But I think you may be overremembering how much discussion you had with them? I didn't find that much beyond asking you to explain some TRs and crossing names off the list.

Looking at their recent posts, I like 2307 though I don't agree with it. Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

---

About Galron, it seems to be mostly a metaread and a TvT interaction with Rad. If you could quote some posts where they've done something that is outside their scumrange, that'd be helpful. My general feeling about their posting is in 1106 - another example is the "Challenge me" post that was just ??? random and other tonal stuff like that, and their thought process feels opaque to me.

my approach to joining this game was pretty passive, to have someone actively think of a mutual solve when it was already expressed that many people, including myself, had difficulty sorting a definite scumread, seemed much more likely town in my eyes. nothing in

johnny's

post has overtly signaled to me that he's leading me to any specific conclusion that i must follow, and him thanking me for my participation felt sincere.

so no, my read on

johnny

isn't based on how much we have discussed reads, it's how reads were discussed.

i agree with

penguin

, if memory serves, ive mislimmed them before so im good with taking more time to sort the slot. nothing ive skimmed has caught my attention.

~

ooof wasn't prepared for

galron

rep

Math

, you'll have to flesh out why

galron's

rep warrants an FOS. feels NAI off principle since there was no indication a rep-out would occur

@Bella will get to you, something IRL caught my attention

[Taly]

frogs

your voting pattern is incoherent

[Taly]

*snorts*

Spoiler: Titus Readwall with few reasons 2.0

BlueBloodedToffee - Scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - Mystery Detectives
Malakittens - Townlean
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact
PookyTheMagicalBear - Town for the day
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) - Hard town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Cephrir - Don't want to eliminate Day 1, gtmh town
Frogsterking - I want this to be scum, not sure if they are
Roden - Forgetable ok compromise
Rad - Don't want to lim but would do it
Corwinoid aka Math now - Town (mind meld Frogster vote)
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Dwlee99 - Would lim
Bellaphant - gmth town
Klick - Needs more shiny words
Bell - Hard town
Dunnstral - Probtown
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Weak townread
T-Bone - Town for the day
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey - Probtown
Lukewarm - Probtown
Best Bird PenguinPower - Prob scum

~Titus

pick my brain

titus <3

also

nancy

idk if im very similar to

Slaughter-Hour!Taly

, i havent tasted blood yet, could you elaborate?

[Taly]

i either disagree with or do not follow any vote past page 100.

titus

oof i feel like im repeating the same thoughts with

johnny

2022 2373 are good posts. and for expansion? 2375 killed what fear i had about being pocketed by

johnny

for D1 at the very least.

as for

malcolm's

recent posting im not for

rad/johnny

-scum at all, so id prefer them summarize because i dont have the bandwidth to ISO and give critical commentary at the moment.

klick

last i checked had a large townlist, i agree with several but i need to pick their brain, havent seen much nuance to the reads written out to discern whether it's more likely informed or not.

[Taly]

Taly, i remember you had intended to sort a few of your null slots. Have you made any progress there?

---

The only thing I got out of these pages is that i want to cross RCE off m lim pool for today

crossing out

tbone

,

offthehook

,

penguin

, and

mala

.

rethinking the

cor/math

slot.

leaving-

malcolm

/

ceph

/

klick

/

enchant

/

frogs

/

BBT

/

RCEnigma

, haven't actually dug into ISOs much though.

p-edit

Corwinoid @ RCEnigma

[Taly]

Taly, i remember you had intended to sort a few of your null slots. Have you made any progress there?

---

The only thing I got out of these pages is that i want to cross RCE off m lim pool for today

crossing out

tbone

,

offthehook

,

penguin

, and

mala

.

rethinking the

cor/math

slot.

leaving-

malcolm

/

ceph

/

klick

/

enchant

/

frogs

/

BBT

/

RCEnigma

, haven't actually dug into ISOs much though.

p-edit

Corwinoid @ RCEnigma

Why is bb town? Obviously agree with OtH/Mala,

no strong reason, i typically have trouble reading

penguin

and nothing they've said so far has caught my attention. i want to vote within players that have much more content.

And roden has been dead null to me all game. Felt inoffensive all day in a way that does not align with my prior experience with him as town. Nothing that made me go (!!SCUM!!), but also just not making me think town at any point

I find that people in this section of my reads really often are just scum who no one can be bothered to vote because they're never the *best* vote

I'd be rather happy with a Roden vote
I have no opinion on Dwlee at all

This is why I'm trying to herd Townies into the direction of these two players.

summarize why

roden/ceph/dwlee/johnny

contain at least 2 scum

[Taly]

Toog

[Taly]

lmao

toogeloo

[Taly]

i sense

frogs

their sword

[Taly]

sharpening their sword*

why do i forget words when they matter

[Taly]

i choked

[Taly]

Well guys, I think my work here is done.

what did you acccomplish? you added me to a scum theory that i asked about, it read as deflective.

[Taly]

I think that a second mason should step forward or Roden should die. I am willing to discuss this before leaping to action.

I agree with this

uh... I have tons of issues with baiting a mason claim D1.

[Taly]

Also the thread has exploded 40+ pages since I was last able to even get to the thread, let alone read. :/

[Taly]

I don't really agree with outing but there's enough people: I'm the mason partner. We had a crumb strategy that fell through cause we didn't get to it yet

I hate this

[Taly]

I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.

If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.

If someone does, we kill Dunn

VOTE: dunn

Porque

Yo necessito enlaces

[Taly]

Critically reading wise I'm about 90 pages behind

[Taly]

I think that a second mason should step forward or Roden should die. I am willing to discuss this before leaping to action.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Explain

[Taly]

Like I can't justify why masonhunting is a good idea after one was claimed or they would be eliminated.

[Taly]

Tambien gracias Luke

[Taly]

Mala I pretty much put my name in the search bar and saw your vote

Uh, would kitty GIFs melt your heart?

Pedit

I still think doubting the mason claim is townie and Dunn is town for doing it

Even with the benefit of the doubt, why is it ever a good idea to doubt cast a D1 claim especially when it confers conftown?

No, I don't see town motive here.

[Taly]

I, Supreme overlord Toucan take the pagetop.

POOPY NO!

[Taly]

Even with the benefit of the doubt, why is it ever a good idea to doubt cast a D1 claim especially when it confers conftown?

No, I don't see town motive here.

he didn't believe the claim

i think scum usually believe town when town claims mason

I'll revisit this

[Taly]

Hey Pooky remember to add these to the reads table:

Most Likely Wolves - Math, Hook, Dunn, Puppets, Rad, CatScratchFever and Frog

its 21:5, which are likeliest town?

[Taly]

frogs

lets be besties

<3

[Taly]

I feel like this day should end.

I agree.

But to do that we have to talk and discuss and get 14 people to agree on an elim somewhere

What's the reservation with

Dunn

?

[Taly]

nancy

meme with me and forget about the thread for a bit

pedit

me sorry

johnny

darling

[Taly]

frogs

lets be besties

<3

Why?

because joy?

[Taly]

FUCKING POOKY TAKING MY PAGETOPS

[Taly]

puts Luke in one pin and Nancy in another*

[Taly]

hesitant to lim anyone in a claimed hood rn

honestly im hardly getting any insight from the thread at this point. :/

im willing to entertain any more dissuasion from

dunn's

blood being spilled today

[Taly]

hesitant to lim anyone in a claimed hood rn

Why? Being in a neighborhood does not make you less likely to be mafia. And there are a lot of people in neighborhoods.

easier to read as time goes on in my experience, plus its one way to just limit the collective pool since finding cohesion seems incredibly difficult right now.

im also still pretty lost why you wanted mason claims.

[Taly]

i cant look at this thread. goodnight lovelies

[Taly]

Save Taly!

nani?

yalll i overslept and i need to be at work ASAP, its going to be later today before i even address some votes ive seen sprout up.

i dont know what people want from me.

[Taly]

what was the problem with the

dunn

vote?

[Taly]

this D1 is a nightmare holy shit

[Taly]

what was the problem with the

dunn

vote?

He claimed a role that would be confirmable over night.

Bought himself til tomorrow imo

link?

UNVOTE:

i cant keep up with this thread.

[Taly]

How many votes each player would need for me to join their wagon

0 - Klick
2 - Taly
2 - BlueBloodedToffee
3 - ProfessorDrapion
3 - Frogsterking
4 - Best Bird PenguinPower
4 - RCEnigma The toad
6 - Bellaphant
6 - Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
6 - Cephrir
6 - Enchant
6 - Malakittens
7 - JohnnyFarrar
7 - Rad
8 - MalcolmTucker
8 - Mathblade
9 - Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
10 -PookyTheMagicalBear
10 - T-Bone
11 - Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey
13 - Off the Hook
13 - Lukewarm
13 - Bell
13 - Dunnstral
23 - Roden
23 - Dwlee99

ive surpassed two probably there's your cop-out.

[Taly]

Is it a role that is confirmable or extremely useful and you would not recommend killing in any capacity D1 Dunn.

Confirmable: yes
Extremely useful: no
Would not recommend killing day 1: yes

good enough for me

[Taly]

Nancy

im going to be mislimmed before i returned to the thread tonight

:woozy_face:

i want this video to be my legacy in the game.

outside of

dunn vote/claim/masons

, my initial PoE has hardly changed. i am beginning a PhD program and i do not have the time to do the same ISOs and wallposts i typically do.

and with several slots

(frogs and sometimes bell)

, i try to get caught up with the game and im only suspected further with it.

you guys should not expect much more from me. :/

[Taly]

VOTE: Frogsterking

[Taly]

Frogs

, I don't understand your insistence on a scumteam while you bounce votes around several players with little context. It reads as disingenuous and your suspicion of me for prying is in poor faith.

klick

, why were you OK with pulling for a Mason claim?

[Taly]

VOTE: Frogsterking

Mmm I don't like this naked vote from Taly

I'm suspected because I don't do much

Now there is suspicion because I am voting when the thread has 0 cohesion?

Please pick a lane.

[Taly]

VOTE: Frogsterking

Mmm I don't like this naked vote from Taly

i don't like you trying to frame it as a naked vote tbh.

She was starting to get voted, expressed worry that she would be eliminated while at work, was given a reason why her current vote (Dunn) was not happening today, and you were the active topic of discussion at the time that the vote was cast with Drap calling for a wagon on you

It was clearly a survivalistic vote, not a naked one. smh

No it wasn't survivialiastic. Are people reading my posts?

Frogs has remained in my PoE and I sew scum motivation behind the interactions I've had with them.

[Taly]

I needed to be at work a few minutes ago. I'll be on later

[Taly]

yall making me post while i take a shit at work...

I think that a second mason should step forward or Roden should die. I am willing to discuss this before leaping to action.

klick, why were you OK with pulling for a Mason claim?

I think once Roden claimed Mason, it was much more useful for the other Mason to just out than for people to waste time discussing the possibility of the other Mason being scum.

Especially with the other Mason being Dwlee, I think it was a good idea to claim so that we don't constantly have Dwlee in the elimination pool. They're higher priority NKs now as well, which is good for two explicitly-not-townread slots.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Explain

This kind of feels like a lazy vote, because just by opening Dunn's ISO, it's clear he had already explained his reasoning a lot by this point. It's not really directly engaging with any of his points imo

@taly

This was entirely lost on me. When I entered the thread, all I read was

Klick

agreeing with a post where

Dunn

was pushing for a Mason claim, and the

Dunn

wagon was nonexistent so I felt it was a good prod. I didn't have the space to sort context. I figured my most effective way to get a reply was a vote. I was tired of voteparking on nothing anyway.

VOTE: Frogsterking

Mmm I don't like this naked vote from Taly

I'm suspected because I don't do much

Now there is suspicion because I am voting when the thread has 0 cohesion?

Please pick a lane.

Frog has no lane.
He has scum motivation and he’s trying to much sure you and enchant are the two wagons because your both town and he doesn’t wanna afford a wolf wagon and it might lead to both Frog and Math being wolves as he might be doing that to avoid the beginning of day situation that happened with Math.

How does this connect to

Math

again?

Some people need to help a bird out

Frogs

, I don't understand your insistence on a scumteam while you bounce votes around several players with little context. It reads as disingenuous and your suspicion of me for prying is in poor faith.

klick

, why were you OK with pulling for a Mason claim?

Taly why would you make me want to OMGUS you when you're already under pressure from other slots lol

This reads as anti survivalistic from Taly? Like scum!Taly would be more aware of the gamestate maybe

It's almost like my goal is to solve, rather than survive

:thonk: "cue being called LAMIST"

No but really, this post gives me pause a little bit. This was a perfect opportunity to go on the

"fuck

taly

"

campaign and you didn't go for it.

Nancy

talk to me about

Frogs

-town

klick, why were you OK with pulling for a Mason claim?

I think once Roden claimed Mason, it was much more useful for the other Mason to just out than for people to waste time discussing the possibility of the other Mason being scum.

Especially with the other Mason being Dwlee, I think it was a good idea to claim so that we don't constantly have Dwlee in the elimination pool. They're higher priority NKs now as well, which is good for two explicitly-not-townread slots.

Who do you think is a higher priority NK?

[Taly]

It annoys me when people characterize my play as AtE.

I don't set out to emotionally manipulate people. That's not my thing.

Anything that is branded as "AtE" is sincere emotion from me, regardless of my alignment.

[Taly]

I want to hear

Mala

justify her vote.

[Taly]

frogs

are we besties or what, conflicting signals here

something feels off :/ I ruled out

Mala

because she's often mislim bait D1 and wanted to give her time. And I waver with

Frogs

...

>look at players condoning or complicit with all 3 current wagons, next thing to look at in tandem with

Mala

reply

[Taly]

I just spit milk on myself in public :woozy_face: :smiley_poop:

[Taly]

I officially dislike all 4 current wagons

[Taly]

mala

why am I scum

[Taly]

Frogs do you let "spin the wheel" decide your votes?

[Taly]

You are really out here saying "Taly is scum for not self voting"

[Taly]

Mala, if you explained your vote on Taly, it might help idk. People (myself included hello) are just wagoning anyone who's not a strong townread at this point, because this day has gone on for over 200 pages and fatigue is hitting hard

Ngl it’s prob a really shitty reasoning but it has to do with toog

I didn’t like the replacement, dead stop.

I know toog isn’t a fan of being scum in large games

In what way is this about anything I have posted?

[Taly]

I'm stranded in the rain. I've got shit to do

Catch me with a counter that isn't Johnny.

[Taly]

Nancy rn

[Taly]

luke isn't even in my league in terms of confbiasedness

can confirm

[Taly]

I officially dislike all 4 current wagons

What are your preferred wagons?

Several of Luke's posts have pinged me today but for plist cohesion, I'm fine dismissing it.

Upon seeing Mala only presenting info against my predecessor and Frogs pivoting back onto me, my comfort in their wagon is returning.

[Taly]

You sure Pooky? Can we handle the debauchery?

[Taly]

so like im doing this ig

How many votes each player would need for me to join their wagon

0 - Klick
2 - Taly
2 - BlueBloodedToffee
3 - ProfessorDrapion
3 - Frogsterking
4 - Best Bird PenguinPower
4 - RCEnigma The toad
6 - Bellaphant
6 - Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
6 - Cephrir
6 - Enchant
6 - Malakittens
7 - JohnnyFarrar
7 - Rad
8 - MalcolmTucker
8 - Mathblade
9 - Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
10 -PookyTheMagicalBear
10 - T-Bone
11 - Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey
13 - Off the Hook
13 - Lukewarm
13 - Bell
13 - Dunnstral
23 - Roden
23 - Dwlee99

Why are your votes based on wagon popularity rather than a specific stance?

VOTE: Frogsterking

Mmm I don't like this naked vote from Taly

i don't like you trying to frame it as a naked vote tbh.

She was starting to get voted, expressed worry that she would be eliminated while at work, was given a reason why her current vote (Dunn) was not happening today, and you were the active topic of discussion at the time that the vote was cast with Drap calling for a wagon on you

It was clearly a survivalistic vote, not a naked one. smh

I still feel this is a misrep, whether it is unintentional is yet to be seen.

So unvote Taly. It’s a terrible wagon.

No thank you.

I have not been town reading Taly.

I agreed that the way she engaged with everything happening during the mason claims was weird. I am also acutely aware that she voted Dunn for trying to get the mason claim, and has asked Klick why he would ask for it. But not a single word towards me about it, even thought I was one of the loudest voices calling for it to happen.

That felt off to me. Only difference I can think of is that Dunn was being voted for, and Klick was being voted for, and I wasn't. And that does not seem like a townie motivation to pick and choose who you question.

Plus, I am down to sheep Bell on the matter, since it is his neighbor

All combined, it is a good enough vote for me

Oh I didn't read the 40+ pages that had the intricacies of thay dialogue

If you were calling for the push for Mason claims, why did you vote Dunn?

How many votes each player would need for me to join their wagon

3 - Frogsterking

Frog CFD LET’S GO!

VOTE: Frogsterking

VOTE: Frogsterking

Frogs isn't town

VOTE: Frogs

we neeed a flip

We did it boys!

VOTE: Frog

Huh

I am getting scum pings on more and more of Nancy's posts, and agree with Bell that Titus's vote was weird and unexplained.

Would not be sad at their elimination.

No. I'm very confident this is Nancy town. I don't sense hee attempting to pocket me and she is deliberately pushing a defense here for me, a slot that has very little resistance in pushing otherwise.

It makes no sense that Nancy would protect me this vehemently as scum.

[Taly]

Oh my fucking god I can't get these damn pagetops

[Taly]

No BAD FROGS TF

[Taly]

Yall my phone almost dead and I'm a 30 min walk to my apartment and I'm eating so uh

My legacy in this game is still that stan Twitter video I posted earlier if I get mislimmed

[Taly]

oh Luke, my knight in shining armor

<3

[Taly]

yeah that post was ignored

I just now saw it sorry also im at 2% can't talk now

[Taly]

yall making me post while i take a shit at work...

<snip>
VOTE: Dunnstral

Explain

This kind of feels like a lazy vote, because just by opening Dunn's ISO, it's clear he had already explained his reasoning a lot by this point. It's not really directly engaging with any of his points imo

@taly

This was entirely lost on me. When I entered the thread, all I read was

Klick

agreeing with a post where

Dunn

was pushing for a Mason claim, and the

Dunn

wagon was nonexistent so I felt it was a good prod. I didn't have the space to sort context. I figured my most effective way to get a reply was a vote. I was tired of voteparking on nothing anyway.

First, thanks for responding while at work

Second, I'm not actually sure this tracks? Like after your vote, Luke quoted a bunch of posts where he talked to Dunnstral about the merits of the other mason outing themself, and I think you saw it... but it still doesn't look like there was any follow up to the vote

Spoiler:

I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.

If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.

If someone does, we kill Dunn

VOTE: dunn

Porque

Yo necessito enlaces

Lots of quotes

Spoiler:

I think that a second mason should step forward or Roden should die.

I am willing to discuss this before leaping to action.

I am also starting to lean towards it being the right call for bernard to claim.

But, want to think on it more before committing to pushing that agenda.

Roden, what are your thoughts on whether Bernard should claim today, and if you think he doesn't what do you think about the no-flip messiness or how to avoid it

I actually think that most other people should not comment on this anymore, until after Roden does.

Every person commenting on it so far is kind of claiming Not Bernard.

TOWN

PookyTheMagicalBear

Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Corwinoid
Bell
Dunnstral
Lukewarm

NULL

BlueBloodedToffee
Malakittens
Taly/Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
JohnnyFarrar
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever/humaneatingmonkey
PenguinPower

SCUM

Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)

TBD

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99

To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.

Right now I'm around here:

Cult Recruitment 1.1:

PenguinPower
Dunnstral
Malcolm
Bell
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
Toogeloo
T-Bone
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)


On the Waitlist:
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

Roden

Rad
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Lukewarm


Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

Dunn, please explain why you posted that?

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

I hope by shortly, you mean: "I am typing it up right now, but is big post"

Shit that makes Pooky scum maybe?

Please wait for Dunn's answer instead of making guesses.

I am very interested in what explanation Dunn has for making that post

Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, Klick, Enchant

These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.

Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion

These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.

Off The Hook

In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.

Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad

These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.

In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.

In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"

Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade

These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

VOTE: dunn

TOWN

PookyTheMagicalBear

Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Corwinoid
Bell
Dunnstral
Lukewarm

NULL

BlueBloodedToffee
Malakittens
Taly/Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
JohnnyFarrar
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever/humaneatingmonkey
PenguinPower

SCUM

Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)

TBD

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99

To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.

Right now I'm around here:

Cult Recruitment 1.1:

PenguinPower
Dunnstral
Malcolm
Bell
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
Toogeloo
T-Bone
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)


On the Waitlist:
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

Roden

Rad
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Lukewarm


Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

This was not an intentional post.

It came with no context or reason.

It was clear that Dunn was trying to grab these reads lists to take else where.

He made it clear that he is not a Neighbor this game

We had to also reply to the game mod to confirm our roles...so Toog forgot that they would have replied neighbor or something like that to STD?

Actually that you reminded me we had to do that makes this worse in retrospect.

What do the neighbor players think of this?

That left 2 places that it was intended.

He was drafting a post, or he was grabbing it to take to his scum chat.

I wanted to see his big post before I decided which it was.

The method by which he was editing those reads lists is completely inconsistent with the post that he actually built.

Quoting reads lists, and enlarging text in 4060. Exclusively using [ Post] tags in 4079.

----

After I saw the mason claim, I also did a check of who I thought that Roden's most likely mason partner was. My answer was Pooky.

I think that Dunn was grabbing those posts for a scum chat to suggest that his guess was that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, but accidentally posted it here.

Obviosuly, there is not a town motivation to highlight who you think Roden's mason partner is, so I think that this:

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

Was the best thing that he could come up with as to why he would have posted the reads list. He had already done the work narrowing down most of the player list (I was able to confidently discredit 20 of the 25 possibilities when I looked myself), so he just had to cross off the others.

I think that is why he then said that he was discarding anyone who put one another in Null, and is pretending like masons would not totally consider putting someone in null

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

This whole section of his post feels like they needed to be crossed off in order for him to explain his accidental post.

This is also, basically the list of people that I had as potential Roden mason partners, with Pooky being my best guess.

Even if we were to believe that Dunn was crossing off each player, there was no reason behind making 4060. It was clearly an accident and he is pretending it wasnt.

This was not an intentional post.

It was though. That's why I bolded what I felt were the relevant parts.

This was not an intentional post.

It was though. That's why I bolded what I felt were the relevant parts.

And why it came with no context, and took you 3 mins to even have the follow up of

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

If it was intentional for here, I feel like it would have came with 4062 intrinsically as part of it. not 3 mins later.

Or you are scum, because you highlighted the exact reason why I thought that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, while pretending that you just proved that roden has no mason partner option.

Which I don't find believeable.

And I find it more believeable that you were purposefully trying to highlight that. Just not not in this thread.

i alrdy claimed mr eko like in my first post what even is this theory rofl

I will accept that you are not his mason partner. That is irrelevant.

Dunn did not cross you off as a possibility for that reason, so does not matter.

He crossed you off entirely because you had roden as null lmao

Lets follow Dunn's methodology

Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, Klick, Enchant

These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.

Discount the people voting him.

Mood. Same.

Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion

These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.

Off The Hook

In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.

Lets discount the people that comments on the mason claim immediate.

Again, same. Sub out my own name for Dunn's, and that was my exact thinking.

Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad

These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.

In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.

In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"

Lets eliminate anyone that Roden has pushed.

Again, reasonable. This is exactly how I proceeded

Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade

These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.

Agreed, we can discount the people that we know are flavor neighbors with other people. I did the same thing.

-------------
Then we hit the disconnect. Where his discredits of options to the point of being ready to out all of this, and push a mason claim stops being reasonable.

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

What methodolgy was used here?

He cross referenced Roden's reads lists across the other people.

And decided that if either party listed the other party as null, it is not impossible for them to be mason partners.

I don't buy this hard and distinct disconnect from reasonable reasons to discredit mason options to this.

At best, I think that this becomes the list of people that Dunn wants to look at more closely. But he is acting like he was ready to out the whole list already at this point.

Furthermore, with the similarities between these, what is the thing that puts pooky in his own category? why would pooky be the person that he quotes the reads lists for?

The fact that Roden was town reading Pooky
vs
Both players mutually null reading the other.

That is a reason to GUESS pooky, not discredit the pooky option, nor is there a reason to prioritize quoting his reads list earlier

(Further more, Pooky moves Roden to his town reads, and in the spread sheets the are mutually town reading one another. Which is part of why I guessed Pooky)

At best, I think that this becomes the list of people that Dunn wants to look at more closely.

But he is acting like he was ready to out the whole list already at this poin

t.

AND, we were already mid discussion about forcing Roden to just out his mason partner.

We were already doing that thing at that time.

Excluding 5 people besides Pooky for no reason is weird, but it's not like anyone one of those players couldn't come in and either affirm or dispute the claim. If it was me, I'd have just claimed and left Dunn's theory dead in the water. It's not really that manipulative imo, because if Roden is actually a mason and the partner claims then everything Dunn says is moot. It really only applies if Roden is fake claiming.

So like maybe you can make an argument that Dunn knows Roden is fake claiming cause they are both scum...but that doesn't seem to be the argument you're making?

I don't think that scum!dunn wanted to make this argument.

I think that he intended to quote them, copy them, post them in a scum chat, but accidentally posted those reads lists here, and then was backed into explaining why he did that.

Tambien gracias Luke

I don't understand what you're saying.

Like I can't justify why masonhunting is a good idea after one was claimed or they would be eliminated.

Was this not follow-up for my vote enough?

[Taly]

que

[Taly]

i dont understand what you're saying,

CSF

my vote on

dunn

wasn't

"naked'

, i prompted for an explanation and gave a reason on why the behavior could have scum motive.

4496

[Taly]

you continue to avoid answering my prompt

mala

, is there no reason outside of

toog

that warrants a scumread?

that is a pretty unfair take :/

[Taly]

it is just neighbor and i don't think that's an insignificant role.

[Taly]

im better read post-D1.

[Taly]

I just remembered on the cephrir game toog replaced out and he was limmed D1 and it was town
So apparently I could be wrong on that tell

I legit don’t know

[Taly]

i dont understand what you're saying,

CSF

my vote on

dunn

wasn't

"naked'

, i prompted for an explanation and gave a reason on why the behavior could have scum motive.

4496

I didn't say it was naked

But why were you asking for an explanation if he had already explained why?

4496 doesn't really look like you had looked at any of Dunnstral's posts beyond 4020 to me

because that was what happened and i didnt have the time to sort through the posts, so i figured pushing an action i disliked with a vote would warrant a prompt answer?

like, i dont know the expectation here. ive already put more into this game than i bargained for and there are big lapses of discussion that im not privy to.

[Taly]

Spoiler: self-meta post, gloss over if it is not your thing, i wont repeat self-meta again anyway

if theres any self-meta argument that i can advocate in my benefit, its this:

i do not readily give ammunition as scum.

1.

as scum i rarely cast a vote i feel i could be scrutinized for

"frogs/dunn"

especially when i already have pressure.

2.

doubly so trying to rethink current wagons outside of my own, even when i am a viable elimination

"johnny/mala/frogs"

3.

i dont votepark onto nothing and intentionally let that perception accrue when i have people's judgment

4.

its not common for me to avoid speech in a PT as scum because i love hoods and i like to

"win"

a partner over, and have done so before, but im not sold on

Bell!town

and i question their paranoia on me.

5.

i dont look at the thread of me being wagoned and then say

"LET'S MEME WITH STAN TWITTER"

or make fluffy posts that lead nowhere, really.

this is a poor representations of my scum-play and people who have seen me as scum before can vouch for that, i believe.

i do not even have a good understanding on why my slot is being rung up. ive addressed people's concerns, ive given context to my posts and why ive made my stances and when i do, ive given the limitations that my schedule imposes on me, and ive actively sorted reads as much as my life allows.

the only problem with my slot is that this D1 is disgustingly long with 200+ pages with 26p and the strongest reads on me are from players who townread me or do not want to eliminate me this early

that I have played with before

nancy/johnny/pooky

.

and im not spending hours a day playing footsies with each toe representing another player to vote for an elimination that doesn't happen.

pedit

because that was what happened and i didnt have the time to sort through the posts, so i figured pushing an action i disliked with a vote would warrant a prompt answer?

like, i dont know the expectation here. ive already put more into this game than i bargained for and there are big lapses of discussion that im not privy to.

I suppose it's possible you were short on time and wanted to talk to Dunn yourself, but it's like... if you had natural curiosity about why Dunn was doing something weird/scummy, I expected you to see if he's already explained why or at least read the posts when they were quoted for you i guess

that is a less interactive approach. not my preferred style.

Taly, do you think you've done something out of your scumrange already? why should I townread you?

i beat you to the punch no but like... ive outlined both meta and in-game reasons why my elimination is not optimal here, i feel. ask if you have anymore questions i feel that you're the most good faith on my wagon.

[Taly]

The shameless, aggressive omgus from they who will not be named personally grinds my gears. I don't like the play. I still don't think it is scummy.

i hope youre not meaning me doll

[Taly]

oh my god, i never get pagetop tf

[Taly]

We are going to have to accept that anybody who we try to vote is going to complain about the game being too long and not being able to post, and how they are only being voted for activity.

ok but that's a fraction of my defense. i think to brand my stance as that is trivializing and convenient for you.

[Taly]

maybe there's a reason,

*drops some bread for the toucans*

[Taly]

2.

doubly so trying to rethink current wagons outside of my own, even when i am a viable elimination

"johnny/mala/frogs"

I did start to doubt you were scum here, but you ended up with Mala and Frogs in your will-lim bucket anyway when I asked for it

3. i dont votepark onto nothing and intentionally let that perception accrue when i have people's judgment

This is what I don't get, and Nancy has said this too. If you're just busier IRL nowadays since the last time you played as scum, would you really be around in the thread more to like... manage perception and stuff?

Like I'm not sure if you're playing differently to your old scumgames here because you're town or if you're just too busy nowadays to play an effective scum game, if that makes sense.

As for the other stuff, I'm so tired right now; I can't verify your meta

the only problem with my slot is that this D1 is disgustingly long with 200+ pages with 26p and the strongest reads on me are from players who townread me or do not want to eliminate me this early that I have played with before nancy/johnny/pooky.

I mean, this does make me doubt my scumread somewhat, but the thing Nancy said hasn't been addressed by my hypothesis that you're just too busy now

and Johnny and Pooky haven't really expounded on why they think you're town tbh

This is probably annoying to respond to, so I'll just say the bolded is what I'm most interested in

i dont have a convincing answer, tbh. yeah, my activity affects my play. meta before 2022-

Taly

reaches so far.

I did start to doubt you were scum here, but you ended up with Mala and Frogs in your will-lim bucket anyway when I asked for it

@Taly: I should also say that I still think Frogs is town in spite (or even because of) his chaotic play, and I've lost confidence in Mala flipping scum based on how aggro she is right now

I haven't read anything. I probably won't be able to commit to this game until the weekend.

I claim being in a PT with another player though, so I should be good .

@Pooky: Was it? I feel like divining an alignment from this is like drawing water from a stone, but my brain is also the size of a cat's so idk

this is what I was worried about earlier today on

frogs/mala/taly

being T/T/T but everybody wants to consolidate somewhere and i never understood the

johnny

scumreads tbh.

[Taly]

oh hang on i forgot to read my role PM

Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.

All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or Cephrir.

NV: Everyone

VOTE: Cephrir

so i just got gladiated, oh well

i feel sick and i got deadlines. i was going to say VLA until Sunday but i dont think it matters at this point.

fuck this game

[Taly]

There is a lot of math and scenarios on why KILLING YOURSELF is better then killing no one.

One example is that It affects how many protective have to land before the town is bought a miselim.

Like, right now a doctor saving one (1) player = an extra town miselim. If we no kill, then a doctor would have to save two (2) players to = an extra town miselim.

But also, info for looking back.

I agree with this and would rather selfvote than allow no lim to happen

i share the same opinion.

[Taly]

hold on not yet

Your town read on Cephrir is WAY to over confident.
Why?

I was already lightly leaning town on Ceph before the gladiate.

I think that a scum!Gladiate from Ceph would be near game throwing levels of bad.

I think that Ceph is good at the game.

i.e. I think that ceph doing the gladiate there was possibly the most town indicative thing that any player has done this game so far lol

VOTE: Taly

I highly doubt Taly flips scum i'm just voting to end the day because this game is disgusting

Are you sure we stil can’t save Taly?

I don't care anymore

VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

why isn't this a

ceph!scum

move? im a VERY easy elimination to push through in defense of ANY SCUM within

Frogs/Mala

or even

Johnny

.

[Taly]

and even when

mala

surpassed my wagon, i didnt jump at the opportunity to vote there or even compromise on

johnny

the entire premise laid out on me being scum so far has been refuted, what little of a premise that is.

the only way i can understand this occurring is that my initial PoE has contained majority of the scumteam.

[Taly]

I haven't read the last thirty pages, wtf is happening

ceph

gladiated me, pick a lane, make this shit quick.

i feel that this was planned in the event that a scumbuddy counterwagon to me acquired the possibility of elimination.

[Taly]

? null
Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

im thinking this contained 3-4 of the team.

i dont necessarily believe

mala

or

frogs

are scum together, but given how often

frogs

has vote hopped between anyone who could remotely be flashwagoned, i wouldnt discount it as potential bussing.

in retrospect,

mala

is very likely scum independent of alignment's at the moment, they've specifically sat on a read of my predecessor who replaced out for PERSONAL reasons, and even when this was challenged not hold much weight, the pressure on my slot still remained in respect to their wagon.

the fact that im being wrung up because of a lack of pushes or reads compared to multiple slots in this playerlist does not make sense.

the only two people that i would comfortably still remove from this list are

t-bone

and

CSF

because the former has had very stream-of-conscious posting that i havent actually felt pinged by as ive read it (alongside earlier +'s ive mentioned on

t-bone

), and

CSF

who is the ONLY player on my wagon that has actively fleshed out their suspicion of me -

JUST ISO

, I think they've interacted without any form of premediated agenda.

dunn

falls back down into this PoE, but there is bias here, i felt that their handwave dismissal of my defense last night as

"complaining about activity"

was dismissive and potentially aligned with a

Ceph

!scum agenda, partially because 6521 feels like asking for permission to even vote me.

[Taly]

also, cue the

"

taly

is flailing"

paparazzi, its what ive come to expect of people interacting with me this game with a few exceptions.

[Taly]

with my current scumreads consisting of

frogs/mala/ceph/dunn

is various degrees of confidence and association, im thinking

{BBT/OTH/Toad slot/Best Bird/Malcolm/Enhcant)

, im thinking this group contains 0-1 scum at the very most.

which isnt far off, ive expressed townleans of

enchant/malcolm/OTH

at some point in this thread so far

and i dont even know if

Best Bird

is even in this game anymore, am i just skimming over their posts?

dwlee

is more memorable.

like, everything about this situation is flaming bullshit and i DEMAND someone to VERBATIM address my points!

and

BBT's

dropped off in posting to my knowledge so

:shrug:

i guess me becoming more active as a player is why im getting eliminated?

pedit

partially because 6521 feels like asking for permission to even vote me.

I disagree with your interpretation.

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

[Taly]

Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

dude, im going to be very honest, you saying that youve encouraged me to give perspective in this PT is absolutely not my experience, especially given the fact that ive even mentioned my struggling to keep up with the game in our PT.

i dont know what you were solving and looking for with me, but i cant say you took me with anything less than tons of caution and suspicion.

pedit

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Cephrir's initial vote was before the vote count was reset, so it didn't count. I let him know.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

[Taly]

why clear the person who INITIATED the gladiate?

its not about alignment, its about that person's confidence in eliminating their opponent.

i have been a consistently likely mislim the past 48 hrs and

ceph

has maybe received 1 vote from

nancy

out of tilt

[Taly]

Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

dude, im going to be very honest, you saying that youve encouraged me to give perspective in this PT is absolutely not my experience, especially given the fact that ive even mentioned my struggling to keep up with the game in our PT.

i dont know what you were solving and looking for with me, but i cant say you took me with anything less than tons of caution and suspicion.

pedit

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Cephrir's initial vote was before the vote count was reset, so it didn't count. I let him know.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

I verbatim encouraged you to give your perspective in the game thread

what wasnt enough, man?

[Taly]

why clear the person who INITIATED the gladiate?

its not about alignment, its about that person's confidence in eliminating their opponent.

i have been a consistently likely mislim the past 48 hrs and

ceph

has maybe received 1 vote from

nancy

out of tilt

fuck, if i were scum with

Ceph's

id have likely taken a shot at myself here.

im not going to wait if i think i have a guarantee.

[Taly]

so what do you think about this gladiate?

I was voting you before the gladiate, so the target appeals to me.

Beyond that, I believe it was a move made by town because the town was not coming to a conclusion.

and where is this necessarily devoid of scum intent? ive seen some wild shit, especially in role madness games kind of like this one/

just look at Anything Upick, mafia won off OP roles or roles people would think are towny.

[Taly]

I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

so what about my personality this game suggest scum? because that's how you're excusing

Cephrir's

behavior here.

What is the scum intent?

Please read my posts.

I genuinely believe I am a mislim to take heat off of 1, likelier 2 scumbuddies within

mala/frogs

.

[Taly]

I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

so what about my personality this game suggest scum? because that's how you're excusing

Cephrir's

behavior here.

What is the scum intent?

Please read my posts.

I genuinely believe I am a mislim to take heat off of 1, likelier 2 scumbuddies within

mala/frogs

.

You got weeded for activity, not cause of your personality. You replaced into this game.

In what world is this an objective assessment of my play?

That's an excuse that serves a scum narrative and it has been repeated the MOMENT I replaced in.

[Taly]

holy shit what is happening with this game

[Taly]

THIS IS MY ENERGY RIGHT NOW.



(not the social context of discrimination [ily

<3

, but the ENERGY OF BITING MY FOES

THIS BEAK CRAVES BLOOD.)

[Taly]

Listen, I'm not saying that it is a good thing you were gladiates, or that I would have done the same thing. I've gone through whole games without using my gladiate/other vote altering powers as town (Yggdrasil and Tarot come to mind). Frankly speaking, I think that the players who are going off about frogger and mathblade post gladiate are either whining or trying to avoid discussing the current votes for this day phase. Which is you and Cephrir, and yeah, I think you're more likely to be mafia here.

So

Ceph V Taly

is the compromise?

Cool, so the gamestate really said

"this isn't town's decision"

by your logic here.

[Taly]

In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

[Taly]

it feels moot. :/ ive put more time into this game this morning than i needed to for my productivity.

ive outlined my issues with the gamestate, any case against me, and walked through my entire thought process through the majority of it this game in some form or another.

i dont know what else people are asking for.



im just going to keep the vibes up and share music and reply to people.

[Taly]

give me

[Taly]

pagetop

[Taly]

here is a post-by-post of ALL my posts this morning upon learning about the gladiate. so people can make a decision with an easy reference point.

oh hang on i forgot to read my role PM

Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.

All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or Cephrir.

NV: Everyone

VOTE: Cephrir

so i just got gladiated, oh well

i feel sick and i got deadlines. i was going to say VLA until Sunday but i dont think it matters at this point.

fuck this game

There is a lot of math and scenarios on why KILLING YOURSELF is better then killing no one.

One example is that It affects how many protective have to land before the town is bought a miselim.

Like, right now a doctor saving one (1) player = an extra town miselim. If we no kill, then a doctor would have to save two (2) players to = an extra town miselim.

But also, info for looking back.

I agree with this and would rather selfvote than allow no lim to happen

i share the same opinion.

hold on not yet

Your town read on Cephrir is WAY to over confident.
Why?

I was already lightly leaning town on Ceph before the gladiate.

I think that a scum!Gladiate from Ceph would be near game throwing levels of bad.

I think that Ceph is good at the game.

i.e. I think that ceph doing the gladiate there was possibly the most town indicative thing that any player has done this game so far lol

VOTE: Taly

I highly doubt Taly flips scum i'm just voting to end the day because this game is disgusting

Are you sure we stil can’t save Taly?

I don't care anymore

VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

why isn't this a

ceph!scum

move? im a VERY easy elimination to push through in defense of ANY SCUM within

Frogs/Mala

or even

Johnny

.

and even when

mala

surpassed my wagon, i didnt jump at the opportunity to vote there or even compromise on

johnny

the entire premise laid out on me being scum so far has been refuted, what little of a premise that is.

the only way i can understand this occurring is that my initial PoE has contained majority of the scumteam.

I haven't read the last thirty pages, wtf is happening

ceph

gladiated me, pick a lane, make this shit quick.

i feel that this was planned in the event that a scumbuddy counterwagon to me acquired the possibility of elimination.

? null
Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

im thinking this contained 3-4 of the team.

i dont necessarily believe

mala

or

frogs

are scum together, but given how often

frogs

has vote hopped between anyone who could remotely be flashwagoned, i wouldnt discount it as potential bussing.

in retrospect,

mala

is very likely scum independent of alignment's at the moment, they've specifically sat on a read of my predecessor who replaced out for PERSONAL reasons, and even when this was challenged not hold much weight, the pressure on my slot still remained in respect to their wagon.

the fact that im being wrung up because of a lack of pushes or reads compared to multiple slots in this playerlist does not make sense.

the only two people that i would comfortably still remove from this list are

t-bone

and

CSF

because the former has had very stream-of-conscious posting that i havent actually felt pinged by as ive read it (alongside earlier +'s ive mentioned on

t-bone

), and

CSF

who is the ONLY player on my wagon that has actively fleshed out their suspicion of me -

JUST ISO

, I think they've interacted without any form of premediated agenda.

dunn

falls back down into this PoE, but there is bias here, i felt that their handwave dismissal of my defense last night as

"complaining about activity"

was dismissive and potentially aligned with a

Ceph

!scum agenda, partially because 6521 feels like asking for permission to even vote me.

also, cue the

"

taly

is flailing"

paparazzi, its what ive come to expect of people interacting with me this game with a few exceptions.

with my current scumreads consisting of

frogs/mala/ceph/dunn

is various degrees of confidence and association, im thinking

{BBT/OTH/Toad slot/Best Bird/Malcolm/Enhcant)

, im thinking this group contains 0-1 scum at the very most.

which isnt far off, ive expressed townleans of

enchant/malcolm/OTH

at some point in this thread so far

and i dont even know if

Best Bird

is even in this game anymore, am i just skimming over their posts?

dwlee

is more memorable.

like, everything about this situation is flaming bullshit and i DEMAND someone to VERBATIM address my points!

and

BBT's

dropped off in posting to my knowledge so

:shrug:

i guess me becoming more active as a player is why im getting eliminated?

pedit

partially because 6521 feels like asking for permission to even vote me.

I disagree with your interpretation.

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

dude, im going to be very honest, you saying that youve encouraged me to give perspective in this PT is absolutely not my experience, especially given the fact that ive even mentioned my struggling to keep up with the game in our PT.

i dont know what you were solving and looking for with me, but i cant say you took me with anything less than tons of caution and suspicion.

pedit

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Cephrir's initial vote was before the vote count was reset, so it didn't count. I let him know.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

why clear the person who INITIATED the gladiate?

its not about alignment, its about that person's confidence in eliminating their opponent.

i have been a consistently likely mislim the past 48 hrs and

ceph

has maybe received 1 vote from

nancy

out of tilt

Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

dude, im going to be very honest, you saying that youve encouraged me to give perspective in this PT is absolutely not my experience, especially given the fact that ive even mentioned my struggling to keep up with the game in our PT.

i dont know what you were solving and looking for with me, but i cant say you took me with anything less than tons of caution and suspicion.

pedit

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Cephrir's initial vote was before the vote count was reset, so it didn't count. I let him know.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

I verbatim encouraged you to give your perspective in the game thread

what wasnt enough, man?

why clear the person who INITIATED the gladiate?

its not about alignment, its about that person's confidence in eliminating their opponent.

i have been a consistently likely mislim the past 48 hrs and

ceph

has maybe received 1 vote from

nancy

out of tilt

fuck, if i were scum with

Ceph's

id have likely taken a shot at myself here.

im not going to wait if i think i have a guarantee.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

I was voting you before the gladiate, so the target appeals to me.

Beyond that, I believe it was a move made by town because the town was not coming to a conclusion.

and where is this necessarily devoid of scum intent? ive seen some wild shit, especially in role madness games kind of like this one/

just look at Anything Upick, mafia won off OP roles or roles people would think are towny.

I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

so what about my personality this game suggest scum? because that's how you're excusing

Cephrir's

behavior here.

What is the scum intent?

Please read my posts.

I genuinely believe I am a mislim to take heat off of 1, likelier 2 scumbuddies within

mala/frogs

.

I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

so what about my personality this game suggest scum? because that's how you're excusing

Cephrir's

behavior here.

What is the scum intent?

Please read my posts.

I genuinely believe I am a mislim to take heat off of 1, likelier 2 scumbuddies within

mala/frogs

.

You got weeded for activity, not cause of your personality. You replaced into this game.

In what world is this an objective assessment of my play?

That's an excuse that serves a scum narrative and it has been repeated the MOMENT I replaced in.

holy shit what is happening with this game

THIS IS MY ENERGY RIGHT NOW.



(not the social context of discrimination [ily

<3

, but the ENERGY OF BITING MY FOES

THIS BEAK CRAVES BLOOD.)

Listen, I'm not saying that it is a good thing you were gladiates, or that I would have done the same thing. I've gone through whole games without using my gladiate/other vote altering powers as town (Yggdrasil and Tarot come to mind). Frankly speaking, I think that the players who are going off about frogger and mathblade post gladiate are either whining or trying to avoid discussing the current votes for this day phase. Which is you and Cephrir, and yeah, I think you're more likely to be mafia here.

So

Ceph V Taly

is the compromise?

Cool, so the gamestate really said

"this isn't town's decision"

by your logic here.

In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

it feels moot. :/ ive put more time into this game this morning than i needed to for my productivity.

ive outlined my issues with the gamestate, any case against me, and walked through my entire thought process through the majority of it this game in some form or another.

i dont know what else people are asking for.



im just going to keep the vibes up and share music and reply to people.

give me

pagetop

[Taly]

now i actually need to be VLA but as the game demands, will be around...

[Taly]

thank you

[Taly]

In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

That's losers talk. Saying you didn't have a chance when you've been here for several thousands of posts and several days to make an impression on the game. Several times you chose to post some variant of "I don't understand/am not getting anything from the thread". Your votes and motivations are seen as suspicious. Half a dozen other players are sick/vla/barely doing anything; you weren't singled out here. You had Bell nagging in your ear to share your viewpoint in the thread, and honestly? You didn't share much, or respond to people.

I think every single person, or close to that, that I've voted today has complained about the game length and not being able to get into the game. BBT, Malakittens, even Roden. If everybody is doing it, then it isn't valid for anybody... somebody has to be the elimination, unfortunately.

Think of this as a positive post, even if it sounds mean; shifting blame isn't going to get anywhere. Honestly, your emotional appeal makes me feel uncomfortable but does not change my opinion; I think you can be mafia and upset if you feel you have been wronged. And if you're town, same deal and also relax because it's not actually a huge deal that you are getting eliminated on day 1.

I apologize to

Bell

that my push onto

Bell

is manipulative in that vein, that's not my intention. I'm giving an honest take on my experience. My discussion with

Bell

was not meant to sway or guilt him, I'm giving context to my perspective and it's not my intention or desire to blame him for these circumstances.

And no, I don't agree that just because everybody is doing it, that it's not invalid for anybody.

This is the longest D1 in any game ever. I've had hideously grinding large themes with less pages than this.

It's completely understated that this game is a mess to parse through and I don't think downplaying that is rational. Yes, it's still sound to say that I didn't provide enough info on my thought process enough and that I am scum for doing so, but to say this game isn't exceptional is not true.

[Taly]

To further reinstate,

Bell

, I am sorry about my emotional outpour, I realize that I 100% initiated the confrontation and that it is not your responsibility to appease or burden my feelings.

[Taly]

In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

That's losers talk. Saying you didn't have a chance when you've been here for several thousands of posts and several days to make an impression on the game. Several times you chose to post some variant of "I don't understand/am not getting anything from the thread". Your votes and motivations are seen as suspicious. Half a dozen other players are sick/vla/barely doing anything; you weren't singled out here. You had Bell nagging in your ear to share your viewpoint in the thread, and honestly? You didn't share much, or respond to people.

I think every single person, or close to that, that I've voted today has complained about the game length and not being able to get into the game. BBT, Malakittens, even Roden. If everybody is doing it, then it isn't valid for anybody... somebody has to be the elimination, unfortunately.

Think of this as a positive post, even if it sounds mean; shifting blame isn't going to get anywhere. Honestly, your emotional appeal makes me feel uncomfortable but does not change my opinion; I think you can be mafia and upset if you feel you have been wronged. And if you're town, same deal and also relax because it's not actually a huge deal that you are getting eliminated on day 1.

I apologize to

Bell

that my push onto

Bell

is manipulative in that vein, that's not my intention. I'm giving an honest take on my experience. My discussion with

Bell

was not meant to sway or guilt him, I'm giving context to my perspective and it's not my intention or desire to blame him for these circumstances.

And no, I don't agree that just because everybody is doing it, that it's not invalid for anybody.

This is the longest D1 in any game ever. I've had hideously grinding large themes with less pages than this.

It's completely understated that this game is a mess to parse through and I don't think downplaying that is rational. Yes, it's still sound to say that I didn't provide enough info on my thought process enough and that I am scum for doing so, but to say this game isn't exceptional is not true.

To further reinstate,

Bell

, I am sorry about my emotional outpour, I realize that I 100% initiated the confrontation and that it is not your responsibility to appease or burden my feelings.

I'm going to finalize my position in the thread by saying AtE is

not

a strategy I incorporate.

My feelings are NAI. For people to focus on my argument to sort me would be much healthier.

On that, I'm heading out. I'll come back with a better mood.

pedit

Yeah it is fair to say this game is very long. That is why the gladiate is pro-town; you are instead arguing that the game should have gone on even longer

Not at all what I'm saying. I think it was easy to gladiate me for scum to solidify a mislim while gaining credit for concluding the day. What looks pro-town is not always from town, and I am a mislim waiting to occur.

[Taly]

I want people to justify their

Ceph

townread.

[Taly]

I want people to justify their

Ceph

townread.

I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from

Ceph's

play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that

Ceph

is town.

[Taly]

I want people to justify their

Ceph

townread.

I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from

Ceph's

play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that

Ceph

is town.

[Taly]

@Dunn @Pooky what mech arguments are being made for Cephrir/Taly?

dunn hasnt done enough anti town shit today he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that yeeting taly!town is protown because he's happy to lose

I feel like I keep seeing posts from pooky and drap that act like my own view point is somehow invalid, or impossible for town to have. Which makes me completely disregard their arguments tbh.

Your opinion is absolutely valid, I want a rebuttal of my scumread on

Cpeh

, though.

i think Frogster spewed Taly/Ceph both town

How is Ceph spewed town?

cuz frogster is scum and his initial reaction to gladiate was to "sleep on the choice" which means he's thinking about which townflip puts him in a better position tommorrow.

@Taly, this is Pooky’s theory. But I think you will very likely die if we don’t no lim. :/

So you agree with

Pooky

on this?

There is a lot of math and scenarios on why KILLING YOURSELF is better then killing no one.

One example is that It affects how many protective have to land before the town is bought a miselim.

Like, right now a doctor saving one (1) player = an extra town miselim. If we no kill, then a doctor would have to save two (2) players to = an extra town miselim.

But also, info for looking back.

I agree with this and would rather selfvote than allow no lim to happen

i share the same opinion.

Both players on the chopping black have said that they would rather self vote then allow a no elim to happen.

It's still lost on me why you scumread me though,

Luke

.

I want people to justify their

Ceph

townread.

I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from

Ceph's

play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that

Ceph

is town.

Sure I'll answer your question.

I believe a town!Ceph recognized the game state was terrible for town. We're just spinning our wheels constantly in different directions with no real cohesion. We've got PRs announcing left and right and surely more to come with more new wagons. Many people were openly stating how long d1 is dragging on and how they hated it. Most people are stating that the game is too fast and they can't keep up, so most people aren't even reading the entire thread at this point and just coming to conclusions anyway because if they don't, people scum read them for it. So many people are being toxic as fuck and shouting at each other making no real progress on anything. I think town!Ceph decided enough was enough and got his top town reads to decide who should be eliminated and made his move.

Or a scum!Ceph I guess could be diverting attention from a frog or mala vote by putting himself in the crossfire and hoping we all come to the town!Ceph conclusion?

I gotta lean toward the more straight forward answer of town!Ceph.

That said, again, I'll vote ceph over taly here if I choose to vote because an any alignment ceph flip at least heals town and a town!Taly flip absolutely destroys it. I don't think we see a scum flip in either of the 2 options so I'd only go for that if I conclude that it's just the smarter town move due to "stats/theory reasons", or if I convince myself that this town needs a ceph flip to progress.

Why is my townflip more detrimental than

Ceph's

hypothetical townflip?

[Taly]

It is frustrating that this looks like it's going to work out so poorly

What was your intention?

[Taly]

It is frustrating that this looks like it's going to work out so poorly

What was your intention?

To end the day with an elimination that I felt had a solid chance of flipping scum. I still think there is a decent chance.

Nolim is a bad result

You never digressed on your scumread of me though, from what I have seen. I only saw you mention it in your reads when it became easy to push me. This gladiate feels like an easy option to protect a scumbuddy or at the very least solidify a mislim.

Why did you feel so compelled to gladiate when there was only 3 viable options previously, where there was plenty of calls for consolidation?

What are your reads on

Mala

and

Frogs

?

[Taly]

hey lovelies it's the beakiest bitch of them all

uh I only read this past page and I think Gal/Rad town/town is above rand

Theres like 5 scenarios I imagine mutual paranoia going between S/S and T/S and "how would you react to that" and "we do this all the time so is this valid?" do not strike as scum dialogue

Also Bell townlean for healthy caution in the PT

Frogs, why is BBT likelier scum than Titus?

Luke, why did you consider Galron?

yay people are noticing me



as supreme toucan overlord, i demand tribute be paid in toucan sam gifs.

Taly is here! Hi Taly!

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me,

me want conversation

Frogs, why is BBT likelier scum than Titus?

Luke, why did you consider Galron?

Among BBT or Dancing Puppets I'm not sure which is more likely to be a scum slot. I think the BBT slot is objectively scummy by looking at the iso, and the Dancing Puppets slot is just pinging me hard based on my own subjective experiences. Unless BBT starts posting more, there's a higher chance I'll turn around on my Dancing Puppets read, as I've done with Malcolm and Galron already. I think there's a slightly lower chance I turn around on the Dancing Puppets slot because my PoE is getting tighter.

i might have missed but i also inquired on why you townread the people on your wagon

*Back pats T-bone*
You're wrong try again.
Also hi Taly!

lets gossip in the PT doll

i demand

nancy/titus/gamma/galron/pooky/dwlee (when you recover bb)

acknowledge me, my inertia as a replacement is weak so i want to skip this phase ASAP

BBT

, was that

frog

vote just to counter the wagon further or is there reason behind the vote?

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Ceph

I'm trying to see what about my opening posts were needless. I replaced in with 1000 posts already made. Would a post-by-post catchup had been more feasible than real time discussion?

And what did you think about the discussion on

Frogs

slot during your gladiate decision?

[Taly]

I feel like a bargaining chip wtf

[Taly]

Cause maybe there's not a case?

:woozy:

Like, gladiating is the most excusable reason to towncase or scumcase someone and I see little of either happening.

[Taly]

I wanted them to post. If they wouldn’t they should die.
Only posted when pushed in a gladiate. #life.

Did you forget the previous 120+ I made before being gladiated?

The fuck?

[Taly]

When I get time and a computer I will give my paraphrasing of the PT

[Taly]

None of my posts are sticking to people's ears this game.

[Taly]

You may consider

Taly!scum

has more thread power than whatever the fuck the thread's opinion of me is.

The people advocating most for me!town are the most familiar with my play. This isn't like random slots coming to bat for me to save a partner. The advocacy isn't based on alignment but familiarity.

This thread doesn't support a narrative where I'm scum.

Perhaps I am being too demanding when I ask for a full scum case on Taly from whoever is advocating for Taly to get killed here.

I will lower the bar for those who want to kill Taly.

Give me your single most compelling reason to believe Taly is mafia here.

Why me and not

Ceph

?

Like, everything I read in this game seems like I'm the path of least resistance here.

[Taly]

When I get time and a computer I will give my paraphrasing of the PT

For the best honestly. My reporting is self-sabotaging at best.

Bell

, am I scum or not? The dissonance between giving me the floor as a sign of good faith for me being town and consistently announcing your paranoia of my slot doesn't make sense.

Perhaps I am being too demanding when I ask for a full scum case on Taly from whoever is advocating for Taly to get killed here.

I will lower the bar for those who want to kill Taly.

Give me your single most compelling reason to believe Taly is mafia here.

They hedged in a PT.
Toog implied their role was more inherently townie than it really was in the game thread.
They stated they wanted less noise so wanted to talk in a PT.
They replaced into a game and then went inactive. When usually people who replace into games have the time to replace into them.
Cognitive load(I’m aware this game is exceptional, but if I unthinkingly apply it, it works).

There I made up a case I don’t even believe In. Because of a town case that I feel is stronger that can be summed up in “they’re being very emotional and I don’t think it’s fake because reasons 1-9.

Even you initially were upset not because Taly was going to be killed, but because it derailed your frogster wagon and his reaction spewed that the gladiate was tvt. An assumptions on top of an assumption.

What did I hedge on?

[Taly]

All your reads were basically pinned with a “I’ll get back to this”

BBT, Lukewarm, etc.

Have I not expanded on these reads?

Why is my townflip more detrimental than Ceph's hypothetical townflip?

Because you have emotional defenders I think are town and ceph has non-emotional defenders I think are town. Green taly flip causes retaliation likely to fall back onto town and green Ceph flip causes nothing to happen because Ceph started us down this path to begin with.

I doubt there's more than 1 scum arguing about this loudly right now, if any, and a green taly flip makes everyone arguing hate each other more. the taly defenders hate the vocal ceph defenders and the town ceph defenders are just going to feel attacked and frustrated for it.

I think even a red taly flip right now is probably terrible for town, because again, I think the most vocal people right now are all likely town and red taly flip would become pure chaos where we just elim town back to back to back. Red ceph flip probably moves us towards a solve. Red taly flip can wait until later when we have actual cases against taly.

Ok... but I'd like a more concrete opinion on your reads rather than how you think the gamestate will react.

Do you realistically think this is TvT or SvT?

[Taly]

[Taly]

i am willing to vote for taly as long as we get to yeet tbone tommorrow if taly flips town

if taly flips scum you guys can do whatever the fuck ya'all want i dont give a shit

No. Stick to your guns. It's a fallacy to use my flip to confbias a tunnel.

I want to clarify that I do think it's more helpful to eliminate here but not to compromise on a slot that's widely townread.

I still don't feel like I've received sufficient reply from

Ceph's

POV on this gladiate nor do people refute my reasoning of scum motive.

I'm healthier right now than what I was the morning. I might be able to ISO

Ceph

soon.

My death isn't optimal.

[Taly]

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

good to get this cleared up, I had asked who the wagons were earlier
btw was ceph a wagon at the time? I don't believe he was and my gears are turning on a certain thought

~GE

The context is, frog freaked at being run up and claimed rolecop. Mala wagon was competing on and off. Johnny wagon was growing. Ceph was not being wagoned at the time.

And I was the only wagon with a stable level of pressure.

[Taly]

No, I don't accept this.

I'm not going to be the mislim to validate town's grudges especially when I find fault with my opponent.

What do I need to do

right now

to help town make the most of whatever happens today?

[Taly]

The frog wagon was stalling out with like 6 votes out of 14.

That does not seem feel like a "I need to scramble to save frog" moment

Except

Frog

had already been a popular wagon earlier in this day phase.

You can't tell me there was a consistent push-decline reaction on suspecting that slot.

My original trepidation in pushing

Frogs

was because I thought that could be scum led wagon, but this is further rebuked in light of a gladiate when

Frogs

became a viable option again.

Also. This doesn't even account for

Mala

,

Johnny

, or even

Dunn

who could've been scum that was pressured. Yes, the latter two or less likely but everyone was voting constantly AND calling for consolidation. Scum couldn't have predicted how the ending wagons would be without role interference.

And to suggest I'm scum in this scenario makes 0 sense, because I didn't actively pounce on another wagon and even still doubled down on my

Johnny

townread despite being a popular wagon.

Regardless of what you think of

Ceph's

move, I'm not scum here.

[Taly]

Every argument I see for not killing taly makes me want to pull my hair out.

It feels like literally every person who has said she is town, had said "she is town because she is obviously town" and since I don't think she is "clearly obv town to the point that only an idiotic person would consider her elimination" it means nothing to me.

She is town because she is town is a non-arguement.

Can someone actually explain why she is town this game?

Also, can someone explain why scum!ceph does his gladiate here? (And if you say "to save frog" please provide a list of 14 people who were open to killing frog at the time, thanks!)

What about the arguments that I'm making in my defense? I'm not telling you to blindly townread me and I don't think it's impossible that someone defending me is informed that I am town.

I'm going to be succinct: I think

Ceph

-scum gladiated to protect a buddy and solidify a mislim. That's all. I've digressed earlier this morning and I'm not certain of any change to this mindset upon my conversation with him thus far.

[Taly]

Hey, here's a good exercise:
I demand everybody townreading me to give rationale. Meta alone will not cut it. I think a strong scumteam would be on all sides of

Ceph V Taly

and I want to Jumpstart on that dialogue.

At the very least, it will give a coherent response to the defense, since people have stated that they do not see the argument of me!town led by others.

[Taly]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

Elaborate on the

Ceph

townread.
I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

[Taly]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

[Taly]

How can I say that I want to meme and solve and not die?

[Taly]

oh i see a post from

ceph

i missed

Ceph I'm trying to see what about my opening posts were needless. I replaced in with 1000 posts already made. Would a post-by-post catchup had been more feasible than real time discussion?

And what did you think about the discussion on Frogs slot during your gladiate decision?

1580 was a post i did not like that started me down a path of suspecting you. i felt like the idea was to show up and address your friends to start the process of getting them on your side

i thought it was toxic and noisy and going to go just as nowhere as the last umpteen discussions, and i kinda buy that he really thought his claim was powertown, and i thought it should stop happening

FFS 1580 was a REPLY to Johnny's question to me!

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me, me want conversation

Who are you familiar with here? I think you could give me some perspective on quite a few people

This was why I was so strong on my early

Johnny

townread because he was the

first

and

only

person to help me integrate into this game by getting me to think about previous players.

No, your continued suspicion on

Johnny

but target on me doesn't feel real. You believed

Johnny/I

were S/S with this interaction?

This feels like a setup, even independent of the idea that this gladiate was to protect a scumbuddy.

Also, are you labeling 1580 as toxic? To me, that word implies something close or akin to a breach of integrity, so I don't take that word lightly.

[Taly]

im getting bristled, ill just take a break.

[Taly]

i am tired.

[Taly]

me

[Taly]

want pagetop

[Taly]

thanks for the help

luke

[Taly]

me out here like

[Taly]

you all lack creativity D:<

[Taly]

i dont want to be mislimmed.

[Taly]

yall i was vibing with chun li dont kill it

[Taly]

No, I don't accept this.

I'm not going to be the mislim to validate town's grudges especially when I find fault with my opponent.

What do I need to do

right now

to help town make the most of whatever happens today?

Hey, here's a good exercise:
I demand everybody townreading me to give rationale. Meta alone will not cut it. I think a strong scumteam would be on all sides of

Ceph V Taly

and I want to Jumpstart on that dialogue.

At the very least, it will give a coherent response to the defense, since people have stated that they do not see the argument of me!town led by others.

like, are these not valid posts to address?

[Taly]

I still think

Ceph's

gladiate was scum motivated, it's predictable that I lose. Even if it isn't likely that it wasn't to save a buddy ~based purely off

Luke's

post refuting it earlier~ I still don't think their suspicion of me comes from town.

It literally started from me replying to a question in one of my first posts where

Johnny

asked about the people I were familiar with in this game.

And

Ceph

has since spent that time pushing

Johnny

and keeping quiet about his scumread on me until I became a viable option.

[Taly]

Dunn

I get the impression that you've dismissed majority of everything I've posted in defense of myself.

[Taly]

yeah but people want a towncase for me, that's part of why we're at a stalemate.

[Taly]

We can turn the tides on them if we get out Cephrir, like if Cephrir goes over and flips wolf town instantly wins this game but I don’t think people realize that fact.

Does town lose if he flips town or will you march on to your next preferred mislim? Just curious.

am i a mislim

t-bone

?

[Taly]

I still think

Ceph's

gladiate was scum motivated, it's predictable that I lose. Even if it isn't likely that it wasn't to save a buddy ~based purely off

Luke's

post refuting it earlier~ I still don't think their suspicion of me comes from town.

It literally started from me replying to a question in one of my first posts where

Johnny

asked about the people I were familiar with in this game.

And

Ceph

has since spent that time pushing

Johnny

and keeping quiet about his scumread on me until I became a viable option.

Which scum-buddy do we reckon Ceph was saving? What is happening? Can someone please sum up like the last 30 pages I've missed in a sentence or two? This post count is absurd and impossible to keep up with, especially when it's a 1v1.

i posited

frogs/mala

or -less likely-

johnny/dunn

as options.

[Taly]

idk my only error this game was not trying to dominate with thread presence a 300+ page D1

[Taly]

me out here like

Taly, if I had literally any other option outside of your or ceph, I would be inclined to vote someone else if for no other reason then because you made me laugh here lol

"well that's the idea, doll" ~ Harley Quinn Injustice 2

[Taly]

who said i was widely townread pre-gladiate?

i had several strong townreads and that seems to have only progressed upon today's interactions.

[Taly]

ok done updating for tonight ^_^

I'll review Taly tomm

As of yesterday.

Taly was town for 3 players (Dancing Puppets, Pooky, and Malcolm)

She was scum for 2 players (Bell and CSF)

And then null for 20 players.

Acting like she was ultra town read is revisionist history.

also this was before my

"vote

Dunn

"

plotline resolved, that's less than majority of my content on a post-by-post scale.

[Taly]

Would the day end faster if I voted ceph?

probably

[Taly]

who said i was widely townread pre-gladiate?

i had several strong townreads and that seems to have only progressed upon today's interactions.

The people who keep implying Ceph did this to get an obviously town player mislimmed.

The people who keep implying Ceph did this to get an obviously town player mislimmed

This was functionally my point

hence why i want my

"defenders"

to flesh out that townread

[Taly]

who said i was widely townread pre-gladiate?

i had several strong townreads and that seems to have only progressed upon today's interactions.

The people who keep implying Ceph did this to get an obviously town player mislimmed.

The people who keep implying Ceph did this to get an obviously town player mislimmed

This was functionally my point

hence why i want my

"defenders"

to flesh out that townread

Your defenders are more concerned with setting up future mislims regardless of what happens to you.

got any names in particular?

[Taly]

pooky

the mafia zoo wont be complete without its toucan

[Taly]

who said i was widely townread pre-gladiate?

i had several strong townreads and that seems to have only progressed upon today's interactions.

The people who keep implying Ceph did this to get an obviously town player mislimmed.

The people who keep implying Ceph did this to get an obviously town player mislimmed

This was functionally my point

hence why i want my

"defenders"

to flesh out that townread

Your defenders are more concerned with setting up future mislims regardless of what happens to you.

got any names in particular?

Drapion, Pooky, Nancy.

Also incidentally that's most likely to be scum moving on down. They are the only three players playing an entirely different game from the rest of us and I am sorry you have to throw your lot in with them.

so your take is that 3/5ths of the scum are my biggest defenders?

thats... interesting. i could be snowed with 1 but i highly, highly doubt all 3.

i have a good readrate with

pooky/galron/titus/nancy

.

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pooky

we just got 3 votes on

ceph

OTH/Luke/Tbone

add yours and i think we would be very split in wagons

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I can't say Taly needs me here.

Sol