LOST (Game Over)

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VOTE: T-Bone

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there is only one penguin

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there is only one penguin

F

actually

in

correct.

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u town?

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sweet. ez game.

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VOTE: bella

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townreading pooky should be the default imo

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VOTE: ceph

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all you vanity voters need to do something...shame on you.

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or castrating

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I wonder if Pengy is F5 waiting for this pagetop

I was but then my boss called me and I had to actually....work.

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oooh no - we can't let the mod have the pagetops

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all you vanity voters need to do something...shame on you.

Is this a joke?

Very clearly.

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was this serious?

do you think it was?

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i cant tell i think its hard to tell what u mean by things..

i think it's very rare to find where i have serious votes that early in the game...i think that's common knowledge

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VOTE: T-Bone

Big scumclaim btw

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i cant tell i think its hard to tell what u mean by things..

i think it's very rare to find where i have serious votes that early in the game...i think that's common knowledge

am i meant to know this?

i only remember playing that discord moderator game with u

pretty sure it was brought up there tbh

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that loss was on me

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i'm so rusty

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mmmhmm

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I'm becoming increasingly suspicious of both the hydra slots

why

I think you've asked a number of go-nowhere questions for the sake of appearing active.

i like this take tbh

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I can argue that this is showing a higher awareness of the gamestate which can be viewed as cautious/scummy.

Wait, so having a strong understanding of what's happened so far in the game is SCUMMY to you? lol

Is this a common belief?

Having a good understanding of the game state this early on points to informed knowledge. yes - that's weird.

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I can argue that this is showing a higher awareness of the gamestate which can be viewed as cautious/scummy.

Wait, so having a strong understanding of what's happened so far in the game is SCUMMY to you? lol

Is this a common belief?

Having a good understanding of the game state this early on points to informed knowledge. yes - that's weird.

okay cool, I'll only skim and take in the bare minimum needed to process what's going on

~GE

because that's what i said

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I can argue that this is showing a higher awareness of the gamestate which can be viewed as cautious/scummy.

Wait, so having a strong understanding of what's happened so far in the game is SCUMMY to you? lol

Is this a common belief?

Having a good understanding of the game state this early on points to informed knowledge. yes - that's weird.

okay cool, I'll only skim and take in the bare minimum needed to process what's going on

~GE

because that's what i said

I think what you said feels off from you
why do you think gamestate knowledge this early is scummy

also I wouldn't even call what I was talking about that frogster took issue with gamestate awareness, it was just a post that I read
~GE

because early game is lowinfo? like is that a real question?

I wasn't referring to whatever "frogster took issue with" - I was making a general point.

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Me.

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okay, and being keen on the gamestate early vs, later on is scummy how?
Also I brought up the frogster thing because and marci were both like "lol we're getting SR for READING"
~GE

Because. As. The. Game. Moves. Foward. More. Information. Comes. To. Light. And. It. Makes. Sense. For. People. To. "Be Keen." On. The. Gamestate. Later. On. While. That. Information. Does. Not. Exist. In. The. Early. Game. To. Uninformed. Players.

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The overall understanding of the game?

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Penguin, I think your point makes sense in a general statement context.

But frogster's example was that OTH was aware of the C+G hydra having a posting restriction.

So I don't think it makes sense in this specific case

that's fair - i wasn't responding to that

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PenguinPower1928

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all you non-voters need to do something

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vote fool

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like - you lean scum so vote there

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I can't this is my ongoing war on terror against VCAers.

VOTE: T-Bone

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Bruh I'm at peak bandwidth

VOTE: T-bone

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VOTE: T-Bone

good vote

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VOTE: bbt

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Nope, you asked and I answered. Posting style changes = meds wore off = probably an increase of "grenade style" posting like Bell was describing, among other things.

pooky are you still sure this is scum because im not

I wouldn't like bet a kidney on it.

I don't see anything he's posted that makes me think oh yea this is town Frogster.

so why aren't you voting there, partner?

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now we're starting to have fun

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and if I'm correct about my townreads on my wagon

who are those again?

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actually as I set up this excel table I realize it might be useful to see where everyone is on townreads/null too since it's not that much work to add that info in.

so in your next post pls list the entire PL in the following format:

[Townreads]:
NAMES

[Null]:
NAMES

[Want to Murder]:
NAMES


Mine were listed in 883 and I've been busy so I haven't actually updated them yet.

Basically just sort the entire PL into 3 lists cuz its easier for data collection

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{Dunnstral, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone, Lukewarm}

{Malakittens, Taly, Galron, Roden, Rad, Corwinoid, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Bell, Cytosine and Guanine, Cat Scratch Fever}

{Dancing Puppets, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

anyone yellow or below can go

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smh

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ofc

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We don't have a Best Bird in this player list. What a scumclaim.

Don't you make me do it...i will do it...

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Where is me

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{Dunnstral, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone, Lukewarm}

{Malakittens, Taly, Galron, Roden, Rad, Corwinoid, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Bell, Cytosine and Guanine, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant}

{Dancing Puppets, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

anyone yellow or below can go

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pooky

your name will be changed to

poopy

if you dont meme next post with me

i'm okay with this

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It's basically your own fault if you're further down the list, just saying. Sign up earlier next time.

don't ignore the call out

say i'm the best bird

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But my reads are perfect like this post.

you are going to fall in my reads if this continues

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pooky gets a town boost for that one

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eh - we'll see what happens if you fall in my reads.

the future is uncertain

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best bird*

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touche bear...touche

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literally 1 second p-edit

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mmmm....x to doubt your null reads.

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dunn is yellow now

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Bell
Rad
Enchant
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

hate this.

dunn is orange now.

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mmmmm

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When did Bell?

I think he's town but I recall you FoSing him somewhere.

~Titus

I think that the way they are treating me comes from town them. Calling out Toogeloo early in pt is towny. Their reads are believable. When they are scum they are more stilted.

PT? Who is in it?

Spoiler:

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

---

I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

hey lovelies it's the beakiest bitch of them all

uh I only read this past page and I think Gal/Rad town/town is above rand

Theres like 5 scenarios I imagine mutual paranoia going between S/S and T/S and "how would you react to that" and "we do this all the time so is this valid?" do not strike as scum dialogue

Also Bell townlean for healthy caution in the PT

Though in this case, the reason I pushed Toog is because they posted in thread that they were in a PT and that this implied that they were townie when there was no such indication.
I was uncomfortable with them implying that in thread as a request for a pass.

They also harbored zero doubt on my alignment. Asking me to summarize the game for them over the weekend.
It was weird. But not scummy weird. Just weird.

yeah no...i hate this post rather than just answering the queston with names.

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{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone, Lukewarm}

{Malakittens, Taly, Galron, Roden, Rad, Corwinoid, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Bell, Cytosine and Guanine, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant}

{Dancing Puppets, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dunnstral}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

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But this is definitely how they play as town.

solely? because that seems weak when titus is known for vca.

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Not really - and I won't expand further for now.

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hi tbone - i'm best bird?

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Not really - and I won't expand further for now.

What reason do you have to play this close to your chest?

pretty sure i made an explicit statement. last time i respond.

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very good

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cool cool - so meh

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tbf - mod has plentiful votecounts so that's not true

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poopy...you mean, right?

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So salty

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So salty

Who's salty Penguin. I need to understand you better. I like you though.

Responding the the post directly above mine.

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Oh Dunn, nm.

Tell me something fancy Penguin.

I don’t know how to speak fancy so….penguinfacts.

A group of penguins in the water is called a raft but on land they’re called a waddle!

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His like Penguin is also frequent miselimbait.

don't like this - before my break i was actually very hard to lim as town.

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Although, I have been kinda considering shifting him back down to null, because there has not really been anything memorable coming from the slot since.

hi - i'm weekend v/la (and now actual v/la)

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Flavor

As Susan and Brian ignore Walt's request to look at birds in his book, a bird flies into the window and dies.

Vote Count 1.23

3 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron)
3 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, PenguinPower, Klick)

2 The Toad (Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear)

1 Cephrir (Roden)
1 Bellaphant (Frogsterking)
1 Galron (The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)
1 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1 Roden (MalcolmTucker)

Not Voting (Taly, Mathblade, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cephrir, Rad)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mathblade Replaces Corwinoid

this votecount makes penguins cry

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Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

pretty sure you know that's not true....

moving on u....down.

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aw man i missed the pagetop

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{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Bell}

{Malakittens, Galron, Roden, Rad, Mathblade, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, T-Bone}

{Taly, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad, Cat Scratch Fever, Dunnstral}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

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Wow only moving me down to null? Come on.

<3

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Maybe he’s reading a different game than the rest of us, because this list has NM tier insightful reads. I do like his greens though.

Like his greens - nm tier reads...

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do you just post to read what you write?

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By the way Pooky I think the page 100 pagetop deserves bonus points.

not how it works, and pooky and i are teaming up after that last assist.

we've done it before. no, i won't be taking questions.

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That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

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do you just post to read what you write?

Wut

*sigh* you say you like my "greens" implying that you like my town reads but at the same time say that my reads are uninsightful - read: bad - so....talking out both sides = writing to read what you write and not actually understanding or believing it.

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sure looking forward to the next votecount

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It's because you sin by not matching Puppets' reads...whatever they are.

I figured it was because I had them low in my reads but that's not a mutually exclusive stance.

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That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

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I assure you I totally believe what I said and you trying to imply anything contradicting that is not going to work on me.

I *totally* believe this because you wrote it.

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He’s trying to imply I contradicted myself when I didn’t but yeah that too.

Working with what you give me tbh

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Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Sorry - I should have been more explicit. Why should I be reading those scum reads as town?

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:shiftY:

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oooh - that caps broke it, but I still got it.

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pooky! look at these timestamps:

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If you’re going to act deliberately obtuse, then I’m likely wasting my time with this. I said you had NM tier reads for a reason and it obviously wasn’t about your greens.

bs - I stated why i put them where I did.

You haven't told me why I should put them where you want them.

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I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

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pooky! look at these timestamps:

???

pagetop-related, not mafia-related.

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If you’re going to act deliberately obtuse, then I’m likely wasting my time with this. I said you had NM tier reads for a reason and it obviously wasn’t about your greens.

bs - I stated why i put them where I did.

You haven't told me why I should put them where you want them.

Read my ISO and theirs. Beyond that I really can’t help you.

How about no. You called my reads out, not the other way around.

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I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

Then neither of you read Schadd’s last game where he was one of the main reasons we lost,

Wow - almost like one game doesn't define a player....almost.

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Bitch

How do you feel about pagebottom with this post?

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Boy - I'm doing better with pagetops as v/la then when not.

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Because the ones I objected to are wrong.

Are you kidding me right now?

"Red is green" why? "Because I object to you saying it's red"

Cool - fantastic discussion. I prefer NM tbh.

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T-bone is back in my greens.

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Mine

i felt bad - you earned it.

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T-bone is back in my greens.

Disappointing

stop agreeing with me then.

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+1

Respond to my question(s) instead.

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T-bone is back in my greens.

Disappointing

stop agreeing with me then.

You have Ceph in the wrong place, Bell probably too high for what he's done in this game, and there is still no best bird on this player list, Ducky ain't playing.

Happy to hear about Ceph and Bell if you want to expound upon.

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Ugh, I have a data plus VCA read but I don't want to vote there but I don't want to read more either. Somebody help. Too many theories but some solid town: Pooky, OTH, Cephrir, toad (memory from first skim not current notes really), Bella

Sooooo.....just moving on then? Love preflip VCA reads tbh.

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Why is penguin posting more when V/LA than when they weren't V/LA.

Because I'm actually on vacation when work!penguin is super busy.

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Why is penguin posting more when V/LA than when they weren't V/LA.

do you want him to post less rofl

why would anyone want that?

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Nancy can you pop on discord?

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Ugh, I have a data plus VCA read but I don't want to vote there but I don't want to read more either. Somebody help. Too many theories but some solid town: Pooky, OTH, Cephrir, toad (memory from first skim not current notes really), Bella

Sooooo.....just moving on then? Love preflip VCA reads tbh.

Nope, I want a wagon to sheep based on my sekkrit reads.

tbf - i get the desire to wagon.

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pagetopping with a pagetop scoreboard and taking the lead from the Mod at the same time

my mission in life is complete I can die happy now

not until you notice my subsecond pagetop steal

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AHHHHHHHHHH

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Would you accept when Ceph said vca is trash??

Do you think I would?

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not until you notice my subsecond pagetop steal

You can't steal from me; we are of one soul.

pooky!

2550

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wrong post

2531

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VOTE: Dancing Puppets

Seems to make sense when focusing on the feedback from players I townread.

don't hate this - want a vc first.

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Would you accept when Ceph said vca is trash??

Do you think I would?

That's why I'm asking. It was around that time I felt it, and when he said that was when I articulated my read. I think Ceph has been fine, I agree with him quite a bit this game, and I haven't liked some of the pushes on him.

Coincidentally it's also why I haven't gotten on board with BBT either. Too many people shading him as a scumread without strong reasoning imo.

While it's obviously impossible for every player scumreading Ceph to be scum, it doesn't look all that great to me. I don't see it.

Ah - sorry - I read that as "would you accept that VCA is trash" which I will not. Fair enough response.

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I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

I am amazed anyone can read lack of posts besides hammering

Has Not Mafia started to provide content?

Did anyone else catch this? I think Math is town.

~N

no? not at all.

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Is it really so bad, that you too can’t come together for the sake of a game? Like, if Frogs is seriously the better option, then of course fine but if not, I would hope that the two of you can rise beyond whatever differences for the sake of the game, no?

I mean - no. Not at all. When I say "gel" it's more of a natural conversation. I'm sure we could be ++ for town.

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T-bone has no power don't worry

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3 more I believe.

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That's somehwat what I wanted to hear. Did you think his 11505 was a good response given your 11500?

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Unofficial Vote Count King-Edition

6 Rad (Best Bird, PookyTheMagicalBear, butterflies, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)

6 MalcolmTucker (Cat Scratch Fever, Rad, ProfessorDrapion, Mislim Bait, furtiveglance, butterchurn)

2 JohnnyFarrar (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden)

Not Voting (Yeet, JohnnyFarrar)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-28 20:20:00)

[PenguinPower]

You aren’t helping yourself or town tbh. You remember your original claim?

Almost as if you could explain it from your view and Drap can from his and then we can test you and have good info.

[PenguinPower]

congrats(?) on completing the second-longest game in site history, everyone!

#1 largest day in Day 1

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Enjoyed playing with you Rad! You'll see in my PT that I started to think you were town toward the end.

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I wanna know why bell died?

same

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my ISO is the opposite of that

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There was a dead thread? psshh....my dead thread was cooler (no redactions from me).

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but seriously...i'm assuming the dead PT formed after my 2nd shot...?

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This is the longest game in MS history I believe.

2nd to Civilization Mafia in terms of posts...but probably the longest in terms of day phases.

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I wonder if people knew my main would that change player’s opinions on me?

No.

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Is dead people talking not also bastard?

That’s what I had assumed but when I checked the wiki, it’s not.