LOST (Game Over)

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Replacing the Toad

Hopefully this slot will become more readable but I still think Toad sounded different here than in Schadd’s game.

Lol, unfortunate.

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Puppets, dwlee, Dunn, Bird, and one of the non voters?

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I have read nothing but I’m pretty confident in my solve.

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Yooo RCE.

I had a scum read on your slot for a long time but then The toad, well, he started to win me over. He will be missed, but now you're here, so that's fun!

Well that’s a good trajectory because I’m basically confirmed!

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Mmm take dwlee out of my hero solve for the moment.

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*pokes RCE*
Go on.

The ! Was a full stop.

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I don’t know why I said mmm, maybe dwlee is delicious.

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Is it worth isoing Rad or can I blindly trust you Bell?

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Hi RCE.

You're now my Nemesis

I have special eyes reserved just for you in this game my friend. Be town. Or die. Your choice.

Well boy do I have a deal for you *Slaps role pm* I’ve got so much town in this bad boy right here.

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Why would you blindly trust me.
That’s a terrible idea even though I’m town this game

Are you just not confident in your reads? Real question.

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RCE,

Is is town of the green variety?

Or town of the red pretending to be green variety?

I was gonna say telling you my role pm had no color was angleshooty but neither does the sample pm.

It is however obvious I’m town of the town variety.

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Yes.

Lol I’m glad this was your answer because I think your Rad read is off. Based only on this page.

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Less post edits, more screaming that you are right.

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Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

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Oh this is not gonna bode well for me.

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Well like is my only sus and I flip back to this page with rad townreading Bella for not undermining universal townreada but I guess like is a universal townread?

So I have to actually read I guess.

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Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

I’m basing it off of the first 4 pages. What a silly question.

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I never watched Lost so all flavor is completely, ahem, lost on me. Happy to be town though!

Wolfy entrance.
VOTE: Rad

Lukewarm and Bell give early towny vibes.

Bad take. I’m probably scum for this post.

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Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

I’m basing it off of the first 4 pages. What a silly question.

I’m obviously asking for a more specific answer.

I think the way flavor was approached by multiple other slots (Bell, BBT for example) Felt organic. The way Luke approached it felt more like a tool, ergo not organic. It might be overzealousness of knowing the flavor and wanting to talk about it but if that’s the case my read probably falls off further into the thread.

If I had to strip everything away I’d say it’s like, other slots were engaging in a conversation that Luke felt they needed to be inserted into.

Even at the time they are getting townreada for it so idk maybe I’m crazy.

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I never watched Lost so all flavor is completely, ahem, lost on me. Happy to be town though!

Wolfy entrance.
VOTE: Rad

Lukewarm and Bell give early towny vibes.

Bad take. I’m probably scum for this post.

I have no idea wtf you’re doing in this game but it’s hella entertaining.

Just vibing.

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Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

I’m basing it off of the first 4 pages. What a silly question.

I’m obviously asking for a more specific answer.

I think the way flavor was approached by multiple other slots (Bell, BBT for example) Felt organic. The way Luke approached it felt more like a tool, ergo not organic. It might be overzealousness of knowing the flavor and wanting to talk about it but if that’s the case my read probably falls off further into the thread.

If I had to strip everything away I’d say it’s like, other slots were engaging in a conversation that Luke felt they needed to be inserted into.

Even at the time they are getting townreada for it so idk maybe I’m crazy.

donu think luke is scum?

I think he had a scummy opening and got chain townread for it. Which is weird.

I’m not calling anyone here a sheep but I’m no Welshman.

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Idk where that is. I’m on page 5 and have light townreads on Bell, CSF, Pooky, Klick, and possibly BBat but that’s the weakest. I feel like there was another but I can’t come up with a name off the top of my head so it shouldn’t be that important.

Dwlee might be town on tone from a random page I read. I like Rad for recent posting and nothing from the early game. I like off the hook for a combination of tone read and their reads in relation to my thinking. I don’t know if that’s early game or recent, I feel like I’m mixing things up by going back and forth.

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I’m to be insufferable all game. all fucking game..

I mean at least I can talk to the dead.

VOTE: dancingpuppets

I probably would not have revealed that until you learned something useful from a dead player, but :shrug:

This post reads +townie to me.

It doesn’t to me.

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To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

Err…. What if you’re town with bad reads?

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Sus on me or sus on Luke?

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I’m to be insufferable all game. all fucking game..

I mean at least I can talk to the dead.

VOTE: dancingpuppets

I probably would not have revealed that until you learned something useful from a dead player, but :shrug:

This post reads +townie to me.

Literally right before this, Luke dropped a flavor claim. Well a soft. I don’t put much stock into a first post claim that isn’t like miller or ascetic or something. Mala could be doing anything. I think the townie reaction is to ignore it or wifom it.

It’s also like…hypocritical to call them out on this when they just dropped flavor info. And if the counter argument is that flavor didn’t matter, why ask Bell about it right after?

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To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

Err…. What if you’re town with bad reads?

Scum team should still want to knock down the top town players regardless of their ability to read. Town read players aren't scary for their ability to read (that's completely separate and a skill thing), they're scary for making the less town read players more likely to be the target of town's focus.

Well generally I guess. But we just finished a game that is the antithesis of this statement. Also Large games have a larger amount of town blending as well as scum. Universal townreads aren’t as big a thorn for scum as potential prs with accurate suspicions.

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I’m to be insufferable all game. all fucking game..

I mean at least I can talk to the dead.

VOTE: dancingpuppets

I probably would not have revealed that until you learned something useful from a dead player, but :shrug:

This post reads +townie to me.

Literally right before this, Luke dropped a flavor claim. Well a soft. I don’t put much stock into a first post claim that isn’t like miller or ascetic or something. Mala could be doing anything. I think the townie reaction is to ignore it or wifom it.

It’s also like…hypocritical to call them out on this when they just dropped flavor info. And if the counter argument is that flavor didn’t matter, why ask Bell about it right after?

He wasn’t shading Mala with this, so don’t get your point?

Fair, just explaining why I don’t find it townie when you do.

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Sus on me or sus on Luke?

You. Why is Luke even scummy? Like I’m just thinking you pushing Luke is the kind of thing you’d do as scum.

This is accurate and I don’t hate this read. But it doesn’t change my Luke read 5 pages into the game.

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I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

Right, OK. So you agree that scum can just kill top town reads.

So, why bother wasting energy and drawing attention to themselves in thread by trying to push/discredit them?

You're literally arguing against your own original point here.

Bah bah bah can we agree that you are both right in niche situations? This is going to go in a circle.

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Did Nancy or titus post 3167?

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Noted. DP is likely town.

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Sorry I'm not trying to suggest that you're doing anything wrong. If there are non-meta reasons you are reading players they are getting drowned out by your endless references to meta and past games.

Do you and Nancy not have games together? Modded or modded by?

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Noted. DP is likely town.

When did that happen? I thought we were part of your “hero” solve.

My solve got better that’s all.

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Hi Titus,

Why am I scum?

The mystical VCA. I didn't get a hello. I don't see solving.

I need hugs and constant affirmation I'm a good person.

~Titus

Not in a mafia setting but, same.

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This new Titus is pretty towny. I dig it.

Unrelated, Pooky and PP are never partners this game ever ever.

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I think that we are wagoning Cephrir because he called Klick a Not Town Read, and Klick OMGUS'ed voted him, and this player list is full of sheep.

Better then anything I have to go on atm, but also not enticing for me to join.

Carry on.

Luke might be warm. Idk your pronouns so I’m going to default to they/them. Feel free to correct me.

Also agreed on a town block of mala/hook so +points.

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I do get tired of having to perform absurd feats of towniness at the start of every game, invariably get out of the wagon regardless of my alignment and then get doubted for those absurd feats of towniness for the rest of the game

Like yes running me up immediately is an effective strategy and I will absolutely town or scumclaim under pressure, not that you will actually get me elimed either way. but could you try a different one sometimes? It's annoying to have to do every time

Was all for calling ceph town till this post. But I get it.

IF Ceph flips town I’m thinking a pool of like (PP, Klick, Rad, myself) as invest worthy slots. I’d Take myself out but like objectively yeah sure.

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UNVOTE:
To be fair I didn't know this was a common thing! I do think you're town though
Pooky's not a good vote though

Take out Klick, this feels genuine. Replace with Bella/bbt.

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What's suspect about ircher/rh9? I'm more interested in your thoughts there vs. on us because they have the post restriction

~GE

The what?

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Thanks, fellow townie.

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Nvm I found it. I guess I like skipped over them claiming.

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Cool, can you tell me about PP and Enchant? I’m more interested in Enchant since they have a lingering flavor claim though.

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Is the post restriction cheeseable? Like, they would have different prod rules no? If their post count is reached.

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Lol we tried breaking it

Can I ask who started that effort?

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Cool, can you tell me about PP and Enchant? I’m more interested in Enchant since they have a lingering flavor claim though.

Enchant walked back the rock flavor claim if that is what you are referencing

It was but I was more getting at why are they in the lower half of your reads.

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Lol we tried breaking it

Can I ask who started that effort?

I was a proponent early on of the idea, and TBone mainly raised the argument against it.

Is the post restriction cheeseable? Like, they would have different prod rules no? If their post count is reached.

I brought this up early on

Yeah I’m around where the post restriction first gets challenged. Are you still townreading PP?

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That’s incredibly helpful and 569 is exactly what I was looking for since that was my first thought. Second thought was it’s against the spirit of the game but somebody might have a better solution.

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Also never answered TBone, but Nancy has a very specific play style and meta is a large part of that. I just found it hard to believe with how long the two of you have been on site that you have never crossed paths and you would be aware of that but I guess not.

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Cool, can you tell me about PP and Enchant? I’m more interested in Enchant since they have a lingering flavor claim though.

Enchant walked back the rock flavor claim if that is what you are referencing

It was but I was more getting at why are they in the lower half of your reads.

Oh, I did not even realize that 3267 was directed at me. I was just commenting that he doesnt actually have a lingering flavor claim anymore lol.

To actually answer your question now that I realize it is for me: I feel like you managed to pick out my two nullest reads of the list to ask me about.

Enchant: I find him incredibly hard to read in any game we have ever been in together, and I find basically all of his posts in every game to be completely NAI. I used to scumread him alot for his playstyle, but then he kept flipping town. Then I started town reading him for "Being the same as always" and he would flip scum. So, I have 0 metric to sort the dude.

Is there a reason that you think he should be higher?

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PenguinPower: He seems to just be hanging out, coasting on the fact that he has enough town reads to not actually be in any danger. I feel like he has a lot of posts, but off the top of my head it is hard for me to recall any of them that are not joking with pooky or with t-bone except for a single conversation he had with OTH that I liked. That converstaion actually got him a town lean when it happened, but it was ages ago.

I have a perception about games, in general, that "the people whose posts are least memorable are more likely to be scum" -- so, I that is basically why my over all impression of him has slid back down to null just over time.

Well I think you’re catching onto my point. Enchant is harder for me to read because I want to scumread the way they interact with the game and it’s probably just personality based. So I tend to kind of put them into a ‘whatever happens happens pile’. But you are on the nose with PP and what I remember of PP as scum, blending in fits their playstyle.

I noticed reading through that certain slots have an overwhelming lack of attention or hard reads on them.

Contrast to slots like Pooky, OTH, Luke, Bell who are a lot easier to sort and sort around because slots are either finding them as town and cliquing up or know who the stronger townies are and are positioning themselves around them.

I’m just trying to get some harder reads on slots being ignored, whether those slots go down today or not.

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And roden has been dead null to me all game. Felt inoffensive all day in a way that does not align with my prior experience with him as town. Nothing that made me go (!!SCUM!!), but also just not making me think town at any point

I find that people in this section of my reads really often are just scum who no one can be bothered to vote because they're never the *best* vote

Well it’s an extended scumlist. They are null for a reason.

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Who did math replace? For continuity in my read up.

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I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess it’s corwin.

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…HUH?! WHO?

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Oh I just copy/pasted Frogs sig lol

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Page 20 reads list + whatever page I repped in on:

DP
Mala
Pooky
OTH
Ceph
Frog
Rad
Klick
Bell
Dunn
CSF
Luke
Dwlee

Bella is like upper null
I need to read more from bbt

The rest I am fine at this point with wagoning. I don’t necessarily scumread the left over list as some of them haven’t even popped up in the first 20 pages or so. Malcolm tucker has gotten a few townreads by this point though and I have no clue what they have even posted so..idk

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Page 20 reads list + whatever page I repped in on:

DP
Mala
Pooky
OTH
Ceph
Frog
Rad
Klick
Bell
Dunn
CSF
Luke
Dwlee

Bella is like upper null
I need to read more from bbt

The rest I am fine at this point with wagoning. I don’t necessarily scumread the left over list as some of them haven’t even popped up in the first 20 pages or so. Malcolm tucker has gotten a few townreads by this point though and I have no clue what they have even posted so..idk

I can order this even

DP, mala, Pooky, bell, Dunn stronk town

Rad, Luke, Frog strong town

Klick town

OTH, CSF prob town

Dwlee something

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RCE, does your read on Dwlee change if I inform you the slot has still done nothing 100 pages later?

The only dwlee posts I’ve read are from 123 and 124 so probably not.

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Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

Be be fair, I did have a couple people scun reading me pre- like page 40.

This entire page is garbage naked reads

We have more than 100 pages

Can people quit acting like it’s fucking RVS?

Uhh I repped in like 2 pages before that. I reserve the right to develop my reads the same way everyone else did at gamestart.

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Also obligatory naked read - mala is town AF

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my main hangups with mathblade are:

(1) Corwin was a scummy scum fuck when he was playing

(2) Mathblade doesn't feel very enthusiastic and dude is like a dog with a bone when he reps in as town.

(3) when asked for why he townread C+G in the hood, I don't think his reasoning was very compelling or strong and felt more like TMI.

1) That’s not explained. That’s I am scum because I am scum.

2) Again I literally just had a game where I defended all three scum. So I started slow to get my feet wet and trying to figure out communication with Ircher/RCE and figure out a way to fo it while reading 100s of pages. So I didn’t have a bone. Because I haven’t found one

3) That’s actually a reason. I already answered it and no one agreed with you.

Like cmon

What communication with me?

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Uhh, can someone compile all the hood claims? Every page I’m learning about a new one.

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Nah YALL can piss off with a Pooky wagon.

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Bell you’re toeing a line at the moment.

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A line that feels less and less game related.

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Since no one else is interested in engaging with Luke’s observation without a narrative driven take I’ll take that for what it is.

@Luke I’m heading into work but are you interested in cross checking maths wagon to Ceph wagon at height? I’m interested in this for 2 reasons but don’t have the time.

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Reasoning out your predecessors actions is already a red flag but that’s just me. You wouldn’t do it for any other slot in the game because you aren’t them so, ya know.

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Uhh, can someone compile all the hood claims? Every page I’m learning about a new one.

Bell - Taly
Luke - Cat Scratch Fever
Cytosine and Guanine - Mathblade
Dancing Puppets - Klick

I have not claimed who my hood mate is.

Ooh spicy. Did CSF claim it?

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Disappointing.

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Uhh, can someone compile all the hood claims? Every page I’m learning about a new one.

Bell - Taly
Luke - Cat Scratch Fever
Cytosine and Guanine - Mathblade
Dancing Puppets - Klick

I have not claimed who my hood mate is.

Ayy he’s taking my CREDIT!!!
Is that your Hood mate?
Might be a scum slip by Dunn that also slips Cat.

Even though it didn't pan out, I kinda like how quickly you came up with that question. Feels like a town-perspective sort of question that just popped into your head immediately.

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Whoops broke that quote.

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I already thought Dunn was town but boy did I have this fire ready.

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rofl RCE I was wondering if you were thinking the same thing but just didn't spell it out in 3662. I guess so eh?

I was busy searching cats iso for a pt mention.

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Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

I’m not liming my strong tr. And again, this is whack.

Run statistics

Find how many games Pooky is elimmed D1 as any alignment.

Bet it’s damn near close to 0.

Hell people even say (paraphrased) “I don’t wanna elim Pooky he’s too good when he’s town”

I never ever try to convince anyone Pooky is scum

It’s better to let time sort him by who he pushes than argue against site wise popularity bias

Some players just are not pushable D1 and it’s toxic AF

Flashbacks of elimming town!pooky d1 intensifies.

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Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

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Nancy you are a gem, don’t ever let anyone take your shine.

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I was inches from a Klick wagon but they swooped in with sauce.

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Today I don’t want to lim: dwlee, Rad, frogster, TBone, OTH, ceph (read as townreads)

But my towncore is - Bell, DP, Luke, Pooky, mala, Dunn

Frog and TBone are close to making the jump up, Rad and ceph are on a downtrend that I can’t fully quantify.

If I had a dayvig I’d shoot BB formerly PP or Malcolm.

Also Bella is on the verge of don’t like, they are amicable in a way that doesn’t creep me out so that’s + but beyond that no strong impression.

I think Klick does have some scum equity but that’s just without flips and on play minus voting patterns I think they are +town.

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Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

Once they are free to talk as much as they want, They can say that they thought anything day 1 with no one here to verify they actually thought it real time

If math flips town than what they said dna said should just be taken at face value. And the dead will still have contact in some capacity anyway.

It’s whatever though, I’d give math a day.

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RCA, talk to me about mala and bell?

I know I need to dive Dunn

Both feel loose and free flowing. Mala just exudes town demeanor.

The Klick townread is more substantial. My only real issue with Klick was the voting but I asked myself what I found scummy about it and couldn’t pin it down. Their votes are very openly displaying what they think at that particular moment readswise and have actually been used to develop those reads (Example, the step back from cephrir and again on my slot.)

What I think is happening in regards to Klick is twofold. People are conflating thread presence with perceived town behavior and playing as if the two go hand in hand. As well as, slots are just giving Klick the old jab, jab, step back…..but they keep stepping back and Klick gets scummier in retrospect as a result.

What do I mean by that? Well I don’t recall an instance outside of ceph where Klick engaged with a slot and they came out with a Klick scumread from it. It’s all been after the fact.

If I’m wrong call me out but that’s how I’m seeing it.

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Oh I also wanted to add that despite all of that. I still feel more strongly about Mala being town than Klick being town. I just have better reasons for townreading the other way round.

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Inb4 Dunn and Pooky are in a hood and Pooky is Bernard.

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Or super lame explanation that Pooky is rodens too townread but it isn’t reciprocated so there just isn’t a mason partner q.q

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Shit that makes Pooky scum maybe?

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I guess it could be town fake claiming. Wouldn’t be the first time this week.

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Too late I’ve already given roden the thumbs down of death.

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I skipped like 8 pages. Did a second mason claim or are we still debating?

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Also like at least 3 players pointed out early game “I would expect xx flavor to be some kind of doctor” and are worried about mason partner dying immediately. IM LOOKING AT YOU BELL. I think.

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So yeah I’m for rodens partner outing today.

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But I’ll throw this in the ring as well. I recall someone’s argument for Roden!scum as the lack of slots coming to his defense. Specifically NO ONE coming to their defense. That’s just a sentence or two, do with that what you will.

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But I’ll throw this in the ring as well. I recall someone’s argument for Roden!scum as the lack of slots coming to his defense. Specifically NO ONE coming to their defense. That’s just a sentence or two, do with that what you will.

There have been many people coming to his defense. Myself is one. Bell and Luke are others. I think there were a few more.

I’m talking pre claim.

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Glad we outed that for no reason, terrible job everyone

It’s hard to hear you with that horse in the way

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VOTE: BB

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Didn’t know BB was V/LA

VOTE: Johnny

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Think Dunn is town and I’m not interested in elimming him today.

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My vote is not related to whatever they are doing right now.

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Well it is but not in a direct way if that makes sense.

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Yes, I had doubts about rodens claim as well and I’m town. So all this ‘not a townie mindset’ mess is irrelevant to me.

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I also don’t know the flavor so ehh.

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Pushing Dunn off the back of Luke is the only ‘Active’ thing I’ve seen Johnny do since I’ve repped in. Latching onto something dubious a townie has done AFTER another townie attacks it is mafia 101 or something, idk I dropped out.

But my Johnny vote is because their pop in on the mason situation was Wolfy.

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I will go through johnnys iso but I’m already biased so I’ll only pick out the scummy things k.

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Also I already gave my word that I’d give them a day and I’m no liar. But I still think Math is scum.

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Fuck me that’s a lengthy iso.

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I read 100 posts with my eyes glazed, Where am I?!?!

My point on the pop in still stands.

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Enchant is…. Idk. Best served as an invest target I think.

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John-ny John-ny John-ny John-ny John-ny!

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We are so close to a real Jonny wagon. Don’t you guys ruin this for me.

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Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Modding (and joining) a large game right before you get married is a choice that was made lol

But also, CONGRATS you two!

Oh snap congrats! I have un-game related wedding questions, it can be postgame though.

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Let me find the quote Rad, I will ask you one question and leave it at that.

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Big no on Dweelee, Roden.

Dunn feels like a shark out for blood right now. Do we feel like he has an agenda? Is that why we're voting him?

Context: post mason claim, post Dunn theory on masons, post Luke’s case against Dunn.

Does it seem more or less likely that Town!Johnny both acknowledges the building push against Dunn but ignores the reasons against him. While also inviting others to case Dunn from a slanted angle.

I think they saw a townie with a vulnerable point to push without getting their hands dirty but that’s just me.

The vote coming only after prodding several slots on whether it made Dunn town or scum was also skeevy to me.

[RCEnigma]

I am getting scum pings on more and more of Nancy's posts, and agree with Bell that Titus's vote was weird and unexplained.

Would not be sad at their elimination.

I would.

[RCEnigma]

3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral)

Would love for BBT, Roden, Johnny, OtH, RCE, t-Bone, Best Bird, Malcolm, C+G, and Dunn to get their votes on viable wagons please.

Outdated VC, Johnny is a viable wagon.

[RCEnigma]

TIL frogster is very adorable.

[RCEnigma]

TIL frogster pretending to be CSF is very adorable.

[RCEnigma]

Catching up, on 237. Why is everyone dumb telling?

[RCEnigma]

Ceph gladiated Taly.

They are your only voting options today

(Not voting is technically a choice, but no elim is bad imo)

Legitimately?

VOTE: Taly

[RCEnigma]

Can you quote where?

Ceph why didn’t you graduate Johnny?

[RCEnigma]

Gladiate even.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah fine, I don’t necessarily think Taly is scum but blood is blood.

[RCEnigma]

I don’t actually think anything about Taly, they kinda just there… which is prolly more scum indicative than town but idc either way.

[RCEnigma]

I say run with it and we deal with scum tomorrow on super unreliable maybe town information.

[RCEnigma]

It’s insane that this is still going. Flip Taly, invest frogs, mala, johnny. Red on these narrows down who was defending who, and who is suspect for steering into Taly if they flip town.

Figure it out.

[RCEnigma]

if people want to eliminate taly they should make a case for why taly is mafia.

No, no they shouldn’t. Taly was not everyone’s choice. But the choice is now Taly or ceph.

I townread ceph more than Taly is a perfectly valid reason and vice versa.

Make a decision.

[RCEnigma]

Whyyyyy. Why would we no lim? Are we serious?

1.)why are we that certain Taly or ceph both flip town?

2.) why can we not just have a flip. If the game was smaller I get it, but there is a point where this ‘save every townie’ mentality is not a benefit to town.

[RCEnigma]

VLA till day 2….

[RCEnigma]

Wow can't believe I got Luke mixed up with Bell what a scumclaim.

Why are you being so defensive? This is like the second post now and no one is even accusing you of anything?

tbone is probly just mafia having fun trolling

Can agree with this.

[RCEnigma]

I’m back to Rad being town.

[RCEnigma]

If Taly flipped scum I’d tunnel Pooky through the entire earth for doing this. Even though I think they’re town.

[RCEnigma]

Despicable.

[RCEnigma]

Scum!math can do as he pleases.

[RCEnigma]

i am willing to vote for taly as long as we get to yeet tbone tommorrow if taly flips town

if taly flips scum you guys can do whatever the fuck ya'all want i dont give a shit

Yeah I’ll carry on this legacy.

[RCEnigma]

TBone/math/Johnny/???/???

[RCEnigma]

Oh forgot you’re scumreading frog.

[RCEnigma]

Sorry Taly, we will crusade in your name though.

[RCEnigma]

Happy scum day!

[RCEnigma]

Wow can't believe I got Luke mixed up with Bell what a scumclaim.

Why are you being so defensive? This is like the second post now and no one is even accusing you of anything?

tbone is probly just mafia having fun trolling

Can agree with this.

Honestly not having a lot of fun right now.

This is just how the turns table.

[RCEnigma]

Well if we had the choice to flip TBone instead today I get it. But we don’t.

[RCEnigma]

This game went from there are too many townreads to too many scumreads real fast.

[RCEnigma]

And by real fast I mean 300 pages.

[RCEnigma]

As scum , math blade will use something in the gamestate as a crutch for why they aren’t actively involved in solving. It would not be the first time they have used thread speed as that crutch even.

[RCEnigma]

TBone first.

[RCEnigma]

Well not confirmed yet, but yeah Dunn is either FN or fruit vendor.

[RCEnigma]

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

I think frog/Johnny would be the only likely cases.

[RCEnigma]

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

good to get this cleared up, I had asked who the wagons were earlier
btw was ceph a wagon at the time? I don't believe he was and my gears are turning on a certain thought

~GE

The context is, frog freaked at being run up and claimed rolecop. Mala wagon was competing on and off. Johnny wagon was growing. Ceph was not being wagoned at the time.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah I mean, Johnny was steadily growing but slower than it needed to be to save your slot Taly, probably.

[RCEnigma]

I’ve had to stop myself from challenging every incorrect or questionable statement and argument. But it genuinely won’t move the game forward nor make anyone happy. So I think it best just not to.

[RCEnigma]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.30

6 Taly (Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever, T-Bone, Dunnstral, Mathblade, Rad)
3 Cephrir (PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Taly, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker, Cephrir, Malakittens, Bell, Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, Dwlee99, Best Bird, Frogsterking)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Major dogpile on Taly

No one questions why.

If it’s the right decision that should be answered before hammer

Then vote ceph.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

[RCEnigma]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.30

6 Taly (Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever, T-Bone, Dunnstral, Mathblade, Rad)
3 Cephrir (PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Taly, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker, Cephrir, Malakittens, Bell, Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, Dwlee99, Best Bird, Frogsterking)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Major dogpile on Taly

No one questions why.

If it’s the right decision that should be answered before hammer

Then vote ceph.

See I am not sure that’s right either.

If it’s TvT then scum might want Taly dead for her reads
If it’s TvS then scum want Taly because she is town.

I would rather people talk reads and why Taly
If you’re on Taly to prevent no elim so does Ceph

Why Taly?

If there is a good argument I will join either wagon

I just kinda hope we would talk

I townread ceph more and no limming is bullshit.

Suddenly everyone needs a lock tight case to pick 1 of only 2 logical options.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

[RCEnigma]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

5 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (Frogsterking, T-Bone)

1 Cephrir (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them

We need the day to end

It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting

I gotta go

Is this you?

[RCEnigma]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

[RCEnigma]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

5 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (Frogsterking, T-Bone)

1 Cephrir (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them

We need the day to end

It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting

I gotta go

Is this you?

It is.

My point was to generate content where people talk

This hasn’t happened.

It has. You can choose to read through it or not. But that’s a you thing. We don’t need another 100 pages for that.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

It’s not just someone in my town pool, it’s someone who I’d bet the game on being town and if you think this is T-T, then limming either one is nutso.

It’s not. My wincon is not to keep every townie alive. We can share a similar view on slots and not have the same degree of confidence on it. I’m not asking you to move your vote or anything.

[RCEnigma]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

5 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (Frogsterking, T-Bone)

1 Cephrir (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them

We need the day to end

It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting

I gotta go

Is this you?

It is.

My point was to generate content where people talk

This hasn’t happened.

It has. You can choose to read through it or not. But that’s a you thing. We don’t need another 100 pages for that.

But we do need some

There is pages not content

All of the reads here barring the one Bell said he doesn’t believe are “I townread Ceph more than Taly” it’s copy pasta

This game feels like it never left RVS

Iso them then. I’m fairly sure the slots townreading ceph have at some point talked about their townread of ceph. Regurgitating the same information isn’t going to help town.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

[RCEnigma]

But you can’t even do it in a few simple sentences

I literally am falling asleep betweeen posts

ISOs of a game this size is not feasible for this many players

You should be able to do a simple paragraph why Taly over Ceph?

This feels like redirection

I literally did. This is why I feel like you are spewing disingenuous bs. I do regret giving your slot a day but it is spilled milk at this point.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

Ok, then replace every Taly with Ceph.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Again I'm not certain Ceph is town but my vote is on no yeet. Why is Taly uncertain to you?

~GE

Their recent posting is good but it’s under duress. If their earlier posting left an impact on me I would probably be voting ceph here? But I can’t be sure on that. Just from the games that I’ve played with Taly I’ve never had an unsure feeling toward them, it was always a very definitive read one way or the other but I haven’t played with scum!Taly so my hesitance to put a hard read down is what is leaving that possibility in my head.

[RCEnigma]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

@ math

Also my argument for voting Taly is not that I think Taly is scummier. But no limming is dumb to me.

[RCEnigma]

HURT: Math

[RCEnigma]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

@ math

Also my argument for voting Taly is not that I think Taly is scummier. But no limming is dumb to me.

No liming is dumb to you.

This means pick between Ceph and Taly

You pick Taly because she’s scummier unless you are scum

Please try again

That is how a gladiate works yea.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

Ok, then replace every Taly with Ceph.

This doesn’t make sense you wingnut.

~GE

It doesn’t but math is being purposefully pedantic and I’m not really in the mood to make it a whole thing if voting math isn’t even on the table today.

[RCEnigma]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

@ math

Also my argument for voting Taly is not that I think Taly is scummier. But no limming is dumb to me.

No liming is dumb to you.

This means pick between Ceph and Taly

You pick Taly because she’s scummier unless you are scum

Please try again

That is how a gladiate works yea.

Then again I ask you why Taly?

Your answer because Taly provides info is insufficient as Cephrir provides info as to whether he’s likely defending Frog or not vs elim Taly get a clue to DP’s alignment

So why Taly over Ceph?

I have greater than 1 reason to townread ceph and ≈ 1 reasons to townread Taly. For reasons stated and requoted that you are ignoring so that you can say I don’t have a point.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

Ok, then replace every Taly with Ceph.

I did as I read? It makes your paragraph meaningless

There’s nothing here.

Ceph is more town because post ABCD
Taly is scummy for post EFGH

Those are reasons unique to them

You’re arguing an information elim not that Taly is actually scummier than Ceph

In other words you didn’t answer the question asked

This is correct, and I fail to see how it’s being pedantic.

~GE

Because the argument isn’t that I’m choosing one over the other because I think 1 is scummy and 1 is not. So fine, change Taly to Ceph and it also gives info. Not the same information and not info that I think is relevant to the slots that I want to pursue but yes it also gives info and I would not cry if it ended up being ceph over Taly.

We are having very very very useless conversations over an either/or scenario.

[RCEnigma]

Likewise. I was joking about the VLA till day 2 thing, but I’m going to step away from this game for a couple days.

Sorry about the situation Taly, however it turns out.

[RCEnigma]

Their recent posting is good but it’s under duress. If their earlier posting left an impact on me I would probably be voting ceph here? But I can’t be sure on that. Just from the games that I’ve played with Taly I’ve never had an unsure feeling toward them, it was always a very definitive read one way or the other but I haven’t played with scum!Taly so my hesitance to put a hard read down is what is leaving that possibility in my head.

I suggest you read her ISO back then. I think when filtered to remove the background noise of the rest of the game her towniness shines. There’s a weaker spot once she starts talking about the high activity causing problems but that feels like the exception rather than the norm.

~GE

I’ll do so but I doubt it trumps the fact that Ceph was actively going against the slots that I feel most strongly contain scum. However agenda driven that may be or seem.

[RCEnigma]

Their recent posting is good but it’s under duress. If their earlier posting left an impact on me I would probably be voting ceph here? But I can’t be sure on that. Just from the games that I’ve played with Taly I’ve never had an unsure feeling toward them, it was always a very definitive read one way or the other but I haven’t played with scum!Taly so my hesitance to put a hard read down is what is leaving that possibility in my head.

I suggest you read her ISO back then. I think when filtered to remove the background noise of the rest of the game her towniness shines. There’s a weaker spot once she starts talking about the high activity causing problems but that feels like the exception rather than the norm.

~GE

I’ll do so but I doubt it trumps the fact that Ceph was actively going against the slots that I feel most strongly contain scum. However agenda driven that may be or seem.

What are the slots you think are scum?

~GE

Math, Johnny, potentially BB, TBone.

Maybe I’m wrong on frog but I townread them pre claim and haven’t really read up post claim.

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Not BBT, although he has fallen farther down my list. BB meaning best bird(PP).

Regardless I’m still not really going to be swayed into the camp of no limming, if that’s what town decides fine but, ya know.

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I’m not here to discuss anything with anyone. Who is leading in votes?

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VOTE: ceph

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No. This day is draining my will to play mafia. I’m not repeating myself. I just want day to end. Please thank you.

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I’m not here to discuss anything with anyone. Who is leading in votes?

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I’m not here to discuss anything with anyone. Who is leading in votes?

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VOTE: Math

Sheep sheep sheep.

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Oh yeah I forgot I made this during the night:



So during the night I was also taking a look at my original slot owners reads.

Turns out both me and him got wolf vibes from Frog.

Although he TR’ed CSF/Dunn/T-Bone, I however have not arrived there as I see them all as potential wolves.

His main wolf reads though were RCE and Bell.
So I’ll stick with my Bell Wolf Read.

Something I also noticed from reading my previous slot owners ISO is that Malcolm called out my slow owners reads despite them already claiming they copied most of it from Rad.
So that seems like potential scum motivation from Malcolm on my slot.



Even though Cephrir flipped town I still like the way Rad voted them. Also since my original slot owner town read Rad as well I’ll definitely keep Rad in my Townreads.

Uhhh, frog scumread me for 1 singular page because I didn't explain why I moved my vote to ceph.

I think like half of your poe are town though. Math can stay in your poe though I'm fine with that.

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> RCE you were very similar in the regard of changing votes off little provocation, I want you to justify your votes.

I wanted someone to die. It didn't matter who, I thought you were both town so whoever had more votes. Only reason I voted ceph was to end the day.

With cephs flip in mind Klick's slot is pretty nearly locktown for me. I kind of want to say Nancy hydra looks good in the sense they seem uninformed. I don't see them approaching Ceph the way they did in the gladiate if they already KNOW that Ceph is town. Unfortunately you don't get the same courtesy because scumreading Ceph doesn't make sense from your pov. You were already on the hot seat, there is no reason for Scum!Ceph to stick their neck out for an elim that was probably going to happen anyway. I think Like pointed this out.

You, if you are town, should be challenging the slots that Ceph polled for the gladiate. Tbone in particular, idk who else Ceph pinged for their reads. Unless you truly truly believe johnny is town.

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My gut is that this makes the Professor look a lot worse (especially since there is like zero reevaluations after a bunch of incorrect reads in flips), but also I doubt the Dunn kill is about them. I'm running with the assumption that Dunn was the factional kill and not Frog, otherwise the scumteam is playing 5D chess in which case good job.

@Taly because I said I would if Ceph/Frog flipped town. It's also a joke? What a weird thing to get hung up on. Sorry, I'm feeling relatively good because three of my town reads were correct, makes me feel like I have good read on the game after all, something among other things at the end of day 1, I was doubting.

Professor is highly likely town. Redirect.

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Well with that info in mind I think it's worth discussing....

DNA posted 101 words by my count. I checked myself five times. I did not include signatures, and I counted the number strings as one word each. I must have a major Blindspot to keep finding an extra word. It's possible. So some other players should count their ISO when they get a moment.

Thank you. I wanted to do this but I'm lazy

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I kinda want to lim Johnny (I scumread that slot, and Cephrir +1'd my read there, which makes me feel better about it) or MathBlade (Cephrir's best posts were when he was pushing Math imo)

but ngl BBT wagon sounds enticing too

Why were they best? All he did was naked say I am scum.

I am an easy target to hop on to

“Math is scum”

“Why?”

Because Corwin

“Why?”

Because they were inactive

They had RL

Like that’s it

If you’re going to suggest me, come at me

Otherwise let me focus my limited spoons on scumhunting

I haven’t read a single corwin post.

I think your arguments are intentionally pointed, just for a recent example your argument against Me over Taly to turn around and agree with not my stance but my landing place.

I think you used the gamestate as a crutch to avoid scum hunting day 1. I have a feeling that you think your hunting will come off disingenuous early game as scum. It might get easier as town gets more in its own way but that’s not really much to go on so I’ll leave that part be as just a psych read. It still fits into your overall scum MO. The most recent example I can pull from is Control where you repped in and used 2 days to complain you didn’t have a place in the game and felt lost while you played your game from hoods. I defended your play there because you had done the exact same thing in a game I had played with you before that and figured there was no way you pull it out twice the exact same way knowing I had that experience against you. But I’m now convinced it is a habitual thing that is difficult to break.

I find it hard to believe that your line on BBT is genuine. I’ll put a pin in that because I need to preface that read with this.

When do scum ever fear kill for read accuracy in large games? Scum target prs they feel pose a threat or townread slots that will be difficult or impossible to miselim. Dunn alluded that he was the former and logic dictates scum would shoot there with that in mind. YOU are the one spinning a narrative from the kills. So if Dunn was killed for claiming pr and scum did not target frog then how does either death point to bbt?

I think bbt is a fine fos but the logic has no meat.

Also, I only recall seeing it in passing but you where the one that brought up knowledge of a vig yesterday, which is suspicious in isolation. But opening today with “maybe multiball hmm?” Knowing a vig is present, gives the Henie jeebies. I’m surprised no one has brought it up yet, but maybe it got lost in the pile who knows.

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My gut is that this makes the Professor look a lot worse (especially since there is like zero reevaluations after a bunch of incorrect reads in flips), but also I doubt the Dunn kill is about them. I'm running with the assumption that Dunn was the factional kill and not Frog, otherwise the scumteam is playing 5D chess in which case good job.

@Taly because I said I would if Ceph/Frog flipped town. It's also a joke? What a weird thing to get hung up on. Sorry, I'm feeling relatively good because three of my town reads were correct, makes me feel like I have good read on the game after all, something among other things at the end of day 1, I was doubting.

Professor is highly likely town. Redirect.

Is your theory that bad reads equals town cause uninformed?

For the record that thought has crossed my mind.

Yes and no. I think professor has bad reads but the surety he presents them with feels town. They are also against the grain but not for the sake of controversy or obfuscation, they are just out there thoughts. I buy that he thinks these are accurate reads and that comes off as a lack of agenda.

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I will admit I have flip flopped on TBone like…..8 times at least.

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TBone talk to me about Johnny. Because that is really the main hang up in how I’m viewing you right now.

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RCE, what was your initial reason for voting my original slot owner?

I never voted your slot. Toad did I would guess, you would have to ask them.

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TBone talk to me about Johnny. Because that is really the main hang up in how I’m viewing you right now.

Yeah, what specifically?

My read on Johnny is two parts. One, my decision to treat him as town when the day started. That's a weak part and specific to me and negative experiences I've had in Hoods in the past, so like I don't expect anyone else to understand that.

The second part is that I have found Johnny helpful in helping me from my reads...mostly in the Hood but while I disagreed with a lot of his reads he voiced in thread, I felt like I understood his reasoning.

The first part I'm not considering anymore, we're past day 1. I think because he has been helpful to me, that I still slightly lean town. Which I wholy recognize is context that only I have. But...and I can't say this for sure because that's the game state we're in. I feel like if I didn't have the neighborhood with Johnny I would find his mostly lack of content scummy.

I actually was not aware you were neighbors. Or I might have been at some point and blanked.

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What do you think about their approach to the mason claims yesterday?

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Bird I hear ya. But I wouldn’t expect a concise, objective answer to that question.

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I think you’re aware that the divert away from Johnny looks suspect if Taly is town. It fits with your give neighbors a chance stance but there is always the possibility that it’s a fake claim fmpov. I don’t know how many neighbor claims were already out in the open when you claimed it, if any. I think your progression is probably trackable if I take the time to dig though.

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I think most of us read Dunn as claiming friendly neighbor, but that wasn't his role, we would have heard from someone by now.

Dunn could have been crumbing FV instead.
Dunn could have hit scum with either that aren’t claiming
Dunn could have sent to a JK’d target
Dunn could have been PGO (which also loosely fits with his crumb but I find it unlikely with math bringing up vig day 1 and then we end up with 2 town deaths by chance.

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That you start doing dissonance really really hard the moment your slot faces a little bit of pressure feels like an intentional strategy to deflect it.

Meh I don't read dissonance as scummy really. Like sure, in theory, hydra would be synced up and resolve disagreements privately, but that can be hard to do, and some of us just like to post without going through the extra steps. (It's a bad habit perhaps, but it is also common.)
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It’s common and always comes off scummy. People just literally don’t care how it affects the game.

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What Dunn was will make it easier to put the puzzle together yes.

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Knowing the power that town has gives us an idea of the power that scum has. Helps us pick out what claims down the line do and don’t make sense. What seems fake. Like we are playing a game of mafia, for example.

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That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

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Every time I skim through the pages I’ve missed I find a post or two and go hmm that’s a really good point. And it is ALWAYS from Lukewarm. Like dude I get it you are town with good observations, let somebody else try it out q.q

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I don't think that helps very much in a game where roles are not revealed on death. Also, it's day 2 on a 26 player large theme. Even if we had full flip information, it seems pretty pointless to be discussing it now rather than say day 5 or day 6 when it would be more relevant and useful.
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Like and Pooky will be dead by then. No one else is going to care enough to wade through the rest of the game to come back to this.

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I mean, Dunn wasn’t a universal scumread in the first place so it’s a non argument.

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Bells humor has been my savior this game.

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I kinda want to lim Johnny (I scumread that slot, and Cephrir +1'd my read there, which makes me feel better about it) or MathBlade (Cephrir's best posts were when he was pushing Math imo)

but ngl BBT wagon sounds enticing too

Why were they best? All he did was naked say I am scum.

I am an easy target to hop on to

“Math is scum”

“Why?”

Because Corwin

“Why?”

Because they were inactive

They had RL

Like that’s it

If you’re going to suggest me, come at me

Otherwise let me focus my limited spoons on scumhunting

I haven’t read a single corwin post.

I think your arguments are intentionally pointed, just for a recent example your argument against Me over Taly to turn around and agree with not my stance but my landing place.

I think you used the gamestate as a crutch to avoid scum hunting day 1. I have a feeling that you think your hunting will come off disingenuous early game as scum. It might get easier as town gets more in its own way but that’s not really much to go on so I’ll leave that part be as just a psych read. It still fits into your overall scum MO. The most recent example I can pull from is Control where you repped in and used 2 days to complain you didn’t have a place in the game and felt lost while you played your game from hoods. I defended your play there because you had done the exact same thing in a game I had played with you before that and figured there was no way you pull it out twice the exact same way knowing I had that experience against you. But I’m now convinced it is a habitual thing that is difficult to break.

I find it hard to believe that your line on BBT is genuine. I’ll put a pin in that because I need to preface that read with this.

When do scum ever fear kill for read accuracy in large games? Scum target prs they feel pose a threat or townread slots that will be difficult or impossible to miselim. Dunn alluded that he was the former and logic dictates scum would shoot there with that in mind. YOU are the one spinning a narrative from the kills. So if Dunn was killed for claiming pr and scum did not target frog then how does either death point to bbt?

I think bbt is a fine fos but the logic has no meat.

Also, I only recall seeing it in passing but you where the one that brought up knowledge of a vig yesterday, which is suspicious in isolation. But opening today with “maybe multiball hmm?” Knowing a vig is present, gives the Henie jeebies. I’m surprised no one has brought it up yet, but maybe it got lost in the pile who knows.

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There is more from other slots like Luke but no one ever responded to my issues with math so.

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don't quote me on this but I generally think that nk analysis is more likely to come from town because it's bad.