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Ego, this started

I'll read this tomorrow from my Titus account. Nancy has threads backwards which I'm too tired to deal with.

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Still catching up, like Frog, Dunn, RAD and am per usual mesmerized by Pooky and seriously considering ingesting the blue pill he gave me for my confirmation.


~N

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I don't care whether Titus reads the thread tonight or not but find it annoying that they're attributing not reading the thread to nancy having the thread in the other direction

If they had just said they were tired and left it at that I would not have had a problem with it

Bruh, I’m dyslexic.

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Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

That's a correlation != causation. It's players who aren't getting townread by myself or my townreads. I'm hoping a few of those players will say more and get ruled out.

Who values a townread from scum?

This is a strawman, I'm valuing townreads from the players I read as town.

Forgive me, but a townread from you is not on my checklist for today.

Okay, what's your point though? You're the one who felt a need to bring it up.

Your poe is trash. You're probably scum. Why would I want a townread from scum?

Galron seems really town. Am I missing something? Still on pg 13. Alternatively, we just blame Pooky for everything.

~N

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I'm reading my interaction with Galron as SvT.

I don’t think that’s how it’s supposed to work.

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This is funny to me, because this is the least serious I have taken a game in a while.

Meh, I was being non-serious at the start of moderators as well.

But my point stands.

I was have purposefully tried to take this game less seriously, and this is the second time someone said that I was being extra serious early

Do you think it's more likely to come from mistaken town or scum trying to stir up trouble (or other?)

Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start

Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Rad's prob town

Luke started very serious out of the gate, like rvs didn't exist. Too much caffeine?

It feels like Galron lifted the idea straight off of Rad.

I don't think that Galron and Rad are scum together, but I think that there is probably scum in the pair.

Someone please catch me up before I embarass myself

too much

more than usual for d1.

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VOTE: CSF

Because.

Why?

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Pg 7. Liking Luke, Bella, CSF the most.

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~N you think that Galron and I are just clashing?

Idk yet what to think. I will probably need to reread everything because my eyes started to glaze over after reading about 10 pgs.

I’ve never played with you or scum!Galron, so I don’t know yet how to read it.

Titus wanted to vote Dunn and I told her if he’s doing anything, he’s probably town.

Rn, just looking to sheep someone I really tr with > than rand good takes. If Pooky’s town here, his record is pretty impressive but not rushing that read yet.

~N

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Still catching up, like Frog, Dunn, RAD and am per usual mesmerized by Pooky and seriously considering ingesting the blue pill he gave me for my confirmation.


~N

Pg 7. Liking Luke, Bella, CSF the most.

is this the same person?

Yeah, making reads as I go.

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~N you think that Galron and I are just clashing?

Idk yet what to think. I will probably need to reread everything because my eyes started to glaze over after reading about 10 pgs.

I’ve never played with you or scum!Galron, so I don’t know yet how to read it.

Titus wanted to vote Dunn and I told her if he’s doing anything, he’s probably town.

Rn, just looking to sheep someone I really tr with > than rand good takes. If Pooky’s town here, his record is pretty impressive but not rushing that read yet.

~N

I didn't realize Pooky is a good town player, they're pushing my mislim pretty hard and I believe they're town here.

I played D1 with scum!pooky in a large theme recently and I think they're noticeably less image-conscious in this game.

Well they’re of course sometimes wrong but they were ingenious in catching scum!FL and the reason we won tm. My reads aren’t actually contradictory. I still think you’re town but I would probably have to metadive you to have a more confident read on you, unless you’re one of those players whose town and scumgames look the same.

I’ve skimmed most of the game, so don’t really have any srs so far but Pooky does seem townie here. He isn’t making memes about animal cops, so that’s reassuring.

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The first post I made in this game is on page 10, which means if you have a read on me at page 7 you are going out of order or something else is going on

I’m dyslexic. What Titus said and others confirmed is correct. I have everything set to descending, so probably couldn’t really answer that.

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hey I make memes about the Animal Police Department when I'm town too

But you don’t usually glut the thread with them. You also don’t sound like you’re trying to pocket the playerlist.

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The first post I made in this game is on page 10, which means if you have a read on me at page 7 you are going out of order or something else is going on

I’m dyslexic. What Titus said and others confirmed is correct. I have everything set to descending, so probably couldn’t really answer that.

I don't think this answers what I said.

I don’t think I have been reading anything out of order but I suppose it’s possible? I don’t think I have though.

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hey I make memes about the Animal Police Department when I'm town too

But you don’t usually glut the thread with them. You also don’t sound like you’re trying to pocket the playerlist.

Says Nancy as she falls deeper into my pocket :>

You also don’t sound menacing like you did in Hideyoshi.

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Feeling a bit meh about Nancy's entrance tbh, but if she's town here, I have faith she'll town it up soon

I promise to be a locktown read by d4.

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D4?! yo I have the attention span of a cat, I hope it'll be sooner than that, esp bc I can't read Titus at all

I’m obviously hoping to have it happen sooner than later but it generally takes me longer in larges, so that’s obviously an extremely conservative estimate.

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do you feel strongly about your Galron townread? any spicy scumreads for us?

No. I probably don’t feel extremely strongly about anyone yet, so people I don’t want to vote for today but he could well be town here.

I so far like you, Pooky, Luke, Frog, Dunn, I guess. Idk if scum!Galron would take such a strong stand as scum. I am pretty bad at making decent srs in a large extremely early unless I can either r tell by meta or of a slot is really obvscum. My reads usually get better as game progresses.

@RH9/Ircher hydra, it would really help if you guys either signed with your names or made it clear which chemical/DNA /whatever is which.

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Can you link to a post that you liked from me when you were initially catching up?

Maybe tomorrow but you just strike me a really digging as opposed to either just fluff posting or shading players for weird reasons.

Don’t expect me to effort extremely much, especially if there’s another 30+ pages to read by tomorrow.

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Nancy, why do you want to sheep someone instead of finding someone you think is scum and then pushing for their death?

I find that >rand chance you yourself think you’re town, no?

It’s d1, no flips yet and I don’t have any srs to push yet, so if that doesn’t change closer to deadline, sheeping would obviously make the most sense, unless it contradicts one of my more confident trs.

Explain the bolded please? Lol I obviously already know I’m town.

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Nevermind about Dunn. Slight town read. I feel like he's making real effort in the game. I think his vote on BBT was probably sincere as his reasoning resonates with the rest of his ISO.

I think his 483 feels way out of character though. I responded to this post earlier and wouldn't have thought it came from the guy with this ISO. It's very light hearted and his ISO reads as anything but light hearted.

I did especially like 248 where he picks 2 fights that he could just stay out of as scum.

I bet Dunn rubs people the wrong way with his straight forward bluntness. Does anyone know if this is his standard approach?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: The toad

Yeah, think so. When he’s scum he either doesn’t really do a whole lot or just pushes extremely suspicious reads. Here, he comes accross as pretty nuanced, like he’s more interested in solving than pushing anything.

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The reason I asked for you to link to a post is because I still don't understand where in the thread you are reading to get a read on me from

No, I get that, I would have to ISO you and I generally don’t do that unless I’m pinged but more so, I don’t think I could specifically narrow it down to any specific post, it’s based on several.

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These posts feel pretty nuanced to me, and likely to come from town

That's a good eye. scum!Dunn could have just said it's likely to come from town but you pointed out how nuanced it was. Townie++

I don’t know what BBT is but agree with Dunn that Toad seems pretty nuanced in his posting.

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These posts feel pretty nuanced to me, and likely to come from town

That's a good eye. scum!Dunn could have just said it's likely to come from town but you pointed out how nuanced it was. Townie++

I don’t know what BBT is but agree with Dunn that Toad seems pretty nuanced in his posting.

Is this a dyslexic joke?

???

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These posts feel pretty nuanced to me, and likely to come from town

That's a good eye. scum!Dunn could have just said it's likely to come from town but you pointed out how nuanced it was. Townie++

I don’t know what BBT is but agree with Dunn that Toad seems pretty nuanced in his posting.

Is this a dyslexic joke?

???

lol sorry, I thought it was a joke?! I mean, Dunn didn't say that Toad seemed nuanced in his posting... and the bit about not knowing "what BBT is"... I thought you were making a joke...

NW, yeah I guess I misread, apparently it’s you, he was calling nuanced not Toad but I think that seems true for both of you.

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Is this Titus posting now?

No, still me.

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NW, yeah I guess I misread, apparently it’s you, he was calling nuanced not Toad but I think that seems true for both of you.

Sorry again for the confusion. To clarify, in 802 you're saying Dunn is coming across as nuanced or The toad? I read that as you're talking about Dunn. So then you're saying all 3 of us are being nuanced in our posts?

This is now the nuance arc of the game and the word is suddenly sounding foreign to me.

I said that about Dunn. I thought Dunn said that about Toad but he actually said it about you but yeah. I think I agree with that assessment.

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D4?! yo I have the attention span of a cat, I hope it'll be sooner than that, esp bc I can't read Titus at all

You should trust me on the Titus head

~GE

What did you say about Titus? All I recall was you confirming what she said about reading everything backwards?

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Nancy, why do you want to sheep someone instead of finding someone you think is scum and then pushing for their death?

I find that >rand chance you yourself think you’re town, no?

It’s d1, no flips yet and I don’t have any srs to push yet, so if that doesn’t change closer to deadline, sheeping would obviously make the most sense, unless it contradicts one of my more confident trs.

Explain the bolded please? Lol I obviously already know I’m town.

Scum pretend to have town perspectives.

Premise you provided.
1. I want to sheep someone I think is likely to be town.
2. Wait, the most likely person to be town....is me!
3. I should sheep myself.

1. who I also trust to have good takes.
2. Well no offense but like duh.
3. assumes that I have a confident scumread.

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1. Uh. Those players are likely to also be decent scum.
2. Yes duh.
3. No it doesn't.

1. I have to base it on my current reads att.
2. ditto
3. Of course, it does. If near deadline I still don’t know who to vote for, what other means do you suggest I decude, flip a coin?

or sheep someone I think is likely to be town and more confident than I am?

Like I don’t even understand what point you’re making with this?

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More corwinoid votes for saying they were gunna catch up and then never catching up.
Lim all liars.

I'm sorry everyone, I've been our the last day and a half with some unexpected family issues, I'm catching up now.

@Bell are you seriously kidding me?

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clearly, you should sheep Titus, Nancy

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I wish I could vote 5-8 people right now.

You could always just put a list of people you'd be willing to vote for instead of actually voting

No order:

Pooky

Cephrir
Penguin(?)

Corwin

CSF

Don’t really have any kind of read on either one.

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There's a difference between who I'm willing to vote versus who I want to vote right now.
I'm willing to vote anyone but me if the argument or the circumstances are good enough.
I want to vote those people.

You need to explain your reasoning if you want anyone to sheep you and two of the people on your list I think are town, the third hasn’t done anything ai and as I’ve already said, reasons for the other two?

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I wish I could vote 5-8 people right now.

You could always just put a list of people you'd be willing to vote for instead of actually voting

No order:

Pooky

Cephrir
Penguin(?)

Corwin

CSF

Don’t really have any kind of read on either one.

Why did you cross Corwin off? I get not wanting to wagon them right this second given their recent IRL things, but I don't see why they're town

I never said Corwin was town, I said their posting wasn’t ai.

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No order:

Pooky

Cephrir
Penguin(?)

Corwin

CSF

Don’t really have any kind of read on either one.

Why did you cross Corwin off? I get not wanting to wagon them right this second given their recent IRL things, but I don't see why they're town

I never said Corwin was town, I said their posting wasn’t ai.

Oh hmmm, when you said you "don't really have any read on either one," I thought you were talking about Cephrir and Penguin

Yeah I meant them. I have no sense at all of Penguin so far and I don’t think Corwin has done anything ai.

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Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

Gogo team Buss-the-Frog!! You can do it! Bus that frog!

Of that Pooky list, don’t understand what Johnny’s done so far that’s ai? Corwin, already commented on. Like to see more from Galron. Don’t currently sr Frog, so that leaves Cephir and BBT.

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Flavor

A flower-wielding Jin helps convince Sun not to leave him to escape her father's world, and so she chooses not to escape the Sydney Airport and boards flight 815 with him.

Vote Count 1.14

5 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Cephrir, Lukewarm, Galron)

4 Cephrir (BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, Frogsterking)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)
1 Corwinoid (Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Toogeloo

I’m going to get Titus to analyze this.

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not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

This is kinda cringe. You don't have a real vote to place anywhere?

Kind of agree with this, why did Cephir make this vote but it’s kind’ve worse than a naked vote because doesn’t say gut or really anything.

I think Galron is more likely town than not from his ISO.

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I’m also not a fan of BBT’s current posting but he isn’t really trying to look townie, if that means anything. His ISO so far is terrible but he also doesn’t seem to be terribly conscious of that? But I guess if it was near deadline, I probably wouldn’t object to either.

@Gamma, do you remember Cephir from Post Apocalypse? Do you think he’s sounds similar here?

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not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

This is kinda cringe. You don't have a real vote to place anywhere?

Kind of agree with this, why did Cephir make this vote but it’s kind’ve worse than a naked vote because doesn’t say gut or really anything.

I think Galron is more likely town than not from his ISO.

if i don't give a reason you can assume the reason is gut

What is your current read on them?

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I don't recall saying that Corwin was lying. I never think a person is lying about their circumstances nor do I doubt them. They can just be scum while also dealing with life stuff.

I also don't see how Corwin being eliminated now would be a bad thing beyond a loss of information this day phase. It is not something that is fundamentally bad to be voted out in a game of mafia.

Because nothing about is posting is ai and others have already said, he is dealing with rl stuff that’s affecting his posting and yeah, pretty much also low info vote.

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Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

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Spoiler:

Okay I caught up. Someone talk me out of the vote I'm gonna make, cause it'll be on scum. You have until the time it takes for me to format the vote. Maybe through a segment of BB too. Ready. Set. Go.

i think the fact that u didnt follow this up with a vote makes u scummy.

Frogster's obviously scum but can we pretend we don't know that for the next 4 days to get some more info out of him before we inevitably feed him to the polar bears?

im kinda starting to come around on this, i dont think frogster has the best intentions really.

I think the wagon on Ceph was interesting but not sure what I can get out of it yet.

r u making any attempts to look into it tho? part of the reason why originally i was fine with voting u was that saying somethings interesting is easy, and then not trying to look into it is just like making empty promises i feel.
but i do kinda like 340 ugh

I'm tempted to townread Johnny here.

i dont see y u would think this..? rn johnnys currently still null for me, i don't think hes done anything particularly ai

or scum!Frogster knows something special (this is not shade, I have no read on him right now, I repeat not shade, any scum would know something special, just saying).

this feels overly cautious

i think i like toad..

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ur so funny roden!! but do u have more to say at all?

I am realizing that without flips showing that Me, my neighbor, Toog, or Toog's neighbor flipping as neighbors that it will actually be kinda messy for someone to claim it after the death of their neighbor.

giving scum suggestions?

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

i like this post a lot ^.^

Cool. Thanks.
Real quick before you go.
Are you scum?

Come on now. I'm town as fuck

i expected you to be more excited to play the game based on how excited you seemed in the signup thread, but you aren't really efforting too much... are you scum?

bells weird

galrons posts do nothing for me

<<bell, bluebloodedtoffee, tbone, frogster, roden, rad>> is kinda my list of interests rn. rads so hard to read

-marci

lean town on OtH. Marci is one of the most frozen af players as scum.

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Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

again, just a vibe, i guess i could go in depth on them right now and try to produce what made me feel this way but it's far from my top priority

Yes because two heads and less predictable, so scum is more likely to target them in general. So. just saying I get a little but worried whenever I see a hydra getting sr unless they’re flaming obvscum like D & D was in CoD.

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See invictus in which they didn't freeze much and did fine.

Marci was scum in that?

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See invictus in which they didn't freeze much and did fine.

Marci was scum in that?

Okay just checked, frozen, was probably the wrong word, fake and performative might be better. She sounds similar in HDP to that game. Here she seems more natural.

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Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

again, just a vibe, i guess i could go in depth on them right now and try to produce what made me feel this way but it's far from my top priority

Yes because two heads and less predictable, so scum is more likely to target them in general. So. just saying I get a little but worried whenever I see a hydra getting sr unless they’re flaming obvscum like D & D was in CoD.

i greatly disagree with this philosophy and will not be abiding by it

You were in Post Apocalypse so I genuinely don’t understand this take?

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i don't even remember that game but no i am not going to give all hydras bonus points for being hydras and i dont think there's anything wild about that

That’s not at all what I was saying.

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VOTE: Frogsterking

Voteskim vote.

~Titus

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I think I need to see a reads list or something from Toad.

PEdit:

Titus is probably scum, Titus hasn't had any trouble reading my slot as town in the past, and if I'm correct about my townreads on my wagon, my wagon is a very attractive place for scum to park a vote right now.

I haven't read the thread. You have many different counters, which makes you an attractive flip for VCA and I wanted to get the game going with votes. You would know that if I am behind, I look at votes. The fact you jump to a) an omgus and b) an assumption that I read that's directly contradictory to my statement is very odd.

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Titus, you have a hydra partner who's reading the game in full, you don't need to throw a vote down like that...

True, I don't need to. I want to to get invested. Nancy let me and she can move the vote.

~Titus

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Titus, you have a hydra partner who's reading the game in full, you don't need to throw a vote down like that...

True, I don't need to. I want to to get invested. Nancy let me and she can move the vote.

~Titus

Well she said vote wherever. She didn't agree to the specific vote to be clear.

~Titus

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@Dunn When did we become top tier town? Why?

~Titus

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When did Bell?

I think he's town but I recall you FoSing him somewhere.

~Titus

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When did Bell?

I think he's town but I recall you FoSing him somewhere.

~Titus

I think that the way they are treating me comes from town them. Calling out Toogeloo early in pt is towny. Their reads are believable. When they are scum they are more stilted.

PT? Who is in it?

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When did Bell?

I think he's town but I recall you FoSing him somewhere.

~Titus

I think that the way they are treating me comes from town them. Calling out Toogeloo early in pt is towny. Their reads are believable. When they are scum they are more stilted.

PT? Who is in it?

Spoiler:

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

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I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

hey lovelies it's the beakiest bitch of them all

uh I only read this past page and I think Gal/Rad town/town is above rand

Theres like 5 scenarios I imagine mutual paranoia going between S/S and T/S and "how would you react to that" and "we do this all the time so is this valid?" do not strike as scum dialogue

Also Bell townlean for healthy caution in the PT

Though in this case, the reason I pushed Toog is because they posted in thread that they were in a PT and that this implied that they were townie when there was no such indication.
I was uncomfortable with them implying that in thread as a request for a pass.

They also harbored zero doubt on my alignment. Asking me to summarize the game for them over the weekend.
It was weird. But not scummy weird. Just weird.

yeah no...i hate this post rather than just answering the queston with names.

Can you answer that?

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I still need readlists from the following people:

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Taly Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Cephrir
Roden
Corwinoid
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
T-Bone

Nancy and I will do separate. I'll try mine tonight. Lots of analysis there.

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UNVOTE:

I had no internet access the entire day yesterday so don’t know when I’m going to catch up. so Titus told me I could unvote, so I did.

~Nancy

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Why town Gal? Why -null T-Bone?

It's partially gut but I've played with

Galron

multiple times against, same alignment, and as a hydra. Difficult to verbalize but I don't see an agenda, a lot of their posts look like doubtcasting at face-value but they read to me as a genuine thought process and critic.

It's also connected to my

Rad

townread and their interactions. In my opening page, I commented on their interactions their and the initial read stuck, especially with

Rad's

communication towards me.

As for

T-Bone

, a lot of it is disagreement with the assessment of

Bell

, but I'm a biased party as a PT partner. So I thought to watch how that read progresses without my commentary.

Also, I took the wrong meds at the wrong time earlier, and I might be a little loopy / LA this afternoon. Yay.

bless, sorry to hear that!

pedit

Order matters very little, I'd prefer to do a tier-style list but figured it's most coherent to stick with the structure.

town

Galron
Rad
PookyTheFluffyBear

+ null

Dancing Puppets
Dunn
Bell
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
JohnnyFarrar
Lukewarm
Roden
Corwinoid

? null

Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null

BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

***

= notes for people to look at next, or people I haven't actually give any skim at or contact with so far

For as little as the townbin is I'd fight for it.

Taly I'm only doing 3 colors, green yellow and red.

I dunno how you want those nulls to be split up lemme know

uhhh

bring

+ null and town

together

<3

PEDIT AGAIN FFS

UNVOTE:

I had no internet access the entire day yesterday so don’t know when I’m going to catch up. so Titus told me I could unvote, so I did.

~Nancy

nancy <3

<3

Hey Taly, who did you replace and how is CSF so low?

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we are down to 5 people without readlists:

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Enchant
Dwlee99

I don’t usually make readslists on d1, especially not in larges. I also wouldn’t hold my breath for d2 either. Early game, I give out reads, usually trs, which I have and you absolutely should know this Pooky.

~N

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Taly is prob scum

Based on?

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I'm with you but we're doing something different Nancy. All he needs is a rough estimate let's call it. That's what mine is.

I haven’t had phone or internet access for over 24 hours and haven’t read anything in this game since Thursday night, so you’re going to have to explain to me exactly what you’re talking about? Thanks.

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My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

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I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

From what I understand, flavour is nai in this game right but I wonder if this could possibly be town indicative for Toog or not? Reasoning is that he made a huge deal about flavour in FFIV but yeah I realize that’s extremely weak reasoning.

Feel better <3

~Nancy

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BRO WHERE TF AM I ON THIS

Taly has the best memes. <3

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I feel like Dancing Puppets could potentially be scum on the basis of a lot of their recent posts. Feel like there's a lot of stuff about them not necessarily having particularly distinct reads/being willing to sheep despite the fact that they have been quite active anyway. For how much they've posted it feels like there's a real lack of content there.

Do you think scum just admits they're going to sheep at the beginning of the game?

Granted, I think both heads of the hydra are normally very headstrong about their reads. It's a bit weird to see them both want to take a back seat.

this is such a weird post, i cant tell what roden actually believes.
its like hes trying to discrrdit malcolms thoughts, but then he actually says something thats sorta in agreeance with them?

If this is indeed the case. then this will be the first time Roden hasn’t read me correctly. I pretty much didn’t do jack early in DC either so anyone being suss on either of us for activity reasons can just get wrecked.

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taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

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taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

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Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

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Spoiler:

So you don't care about my read and you don't want to explain your reads

Not really, no. I care about your reads on the player list as a whole and I'll answer specific questions you ask which I can understand.

Why?

Because whatever reasoning brought you to the conclusion that I'm scum is incorrect. I also can't explain anything to you unless I can understand what kind of information you're looking for. As long as I can understand what you're asking and you aren't asking too much I'm willing to try to answer.

Why are you scum reading me then if you think I'm just wrong??

I think you've done nothing before this point to indicate to me that you're town, and I previously scumread you based on process of elimination and activity level. My read going into this evening was that I can reason my way to 1/3 in this game, and I believed there to be 1 scum between you/BBT/Corwin.

I do think that the way you're arguing with me now is more like a Town who is just wrong. That's new information though, I didn't start to think that until shortly after I read 1419.

One scum in Roden/BBT/Corwin is such an eclectic group to tie together. What interactions do they have that leads you to believe this?

List is roughly ordered

TOWN
Klick
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Rad
JohnnyFarrar
Bellaphant
Lukewarm
Pooky

[gap]
Off the Hook
PenguinPower
MalcolmTucker
Cytosine and Guanine

NULL
Taly
Malakittens
Dancing Puppets
Galron
Roden
Corwinoid
Enchant
Dwlee99
Dunnstral
The toad
T-Bone

SCUM
Bell
BlueBloodedToffee
Cephrir

Tell me about why you put Bell here.

Yeah Bell should be a lot higher. At least is reads on CSF and Pooky are good though.

Rn, CSF, Pooky, Dunn, Luke, Bell, Taly OtH , Galron in no particular order are all pretty strong tls for me.

~N

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BlueBloodedToffee - ls
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - t
Malakittens - n
Taly - n
PookyTheMagicalBear - lt
MalcolmTucker - lt
Galron -nlt
Cephrir - n
Frogsterking - ls
Roden - ls
Rad - nlt
Corwinoid - ls
The toad - t
Enchant - t
Dwlee99 - n
Bellaphant - n
Klick - n
Bell - ls
Dunnstral - nlt
JohnnyFarrar - n
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - n
T-Bone - s
Cat Scratch Fever - nlt
Lukewarm - lt
PenguinPower - n

off the top of my head
ugh but im not happy w it so im gonna talk with gamma later

@Marci, what does “it” “is” and “nlt” stand for?

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Rn, CSF, Pooky, Dunn, Luke, Bell, Taly OtH , Galron in no particular order are all pretty strong tls for me.

are these all your TLs/TRs?

I'll color these in green for you,

just give me the list of people you find scummy and everyone else is null and we're gucci

It’s d1, call it what you like. These are the slots I would hard veto voting. I don’t make freaking lists like that. Read my iso I think I’ve made it pretty clear who I’m not currently feeling great about.

I townblock on d1, unless a player pings me as obvscum. I’m not going to argue with you about this, Taly also tried to pressure me into making a readslist in HDP and if you recall. that didn’t happen either.

~N

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How come all of the leading wagons in this game are really bad?

scum are either strong players or lurking imo

If ceph flips scum, this becomes a funny post lol

I feel like it's also the type of post that can quite feasibly come from good/experienced scum? A lot of the time you assume scum maybe don't want to draw any attention to what the makeup of their team could be, but in a big game like this making associatives can be hard and I can see scum being more willingly to openly comment on what the scumteam may be like, even if only to misdirect.

I think this is a clever take. Nice.

Oh yeah, I forgot about you. @Pooky you can use your green magic marker on RAD as well.

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sure who do i use my red marker on for u

Are you actually trying to piss me off or what?

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Read my iso I think I’ve made it pretty clear who I’m not currently feeling great about.

ok the whole point of this excercise is so I don't have to read your iso to figure out who you are not feeling great about, just give me their names plz <3

I haven’t read anything that happened from the time my internet went out on Thursday night until I made my initial post today but I recall I wasn’t feeling too great about either BBT or Ceph. I’m sorry I don’t have any confident srs yet.

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Spoiler:

I'm not necessarily keen on reads list, especially in a bigger game where it's genuinely hard to sort a lot of players, but this is roughly where I'd say I'm at in terms of how I'm feeling. Some players here I'd genuinely forgotten were in the game though given the size.

Town

Rad
Dunnstral
Cat Scratch Fever
Lukewarm
Taly
Frogsterking
Dwlee99
Off the Hook
T-Bone
Klick

Null/unsure

Malakittens
PookyTheMagicalBear
BlueBloodedToffee
Corwinoid
Enchant
Bellaphant
Bell
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine
PenguinPower

Possible scum

Galron
Cephrir
Dancing Puppets
Roden
The toad

You have us plus one of my stronger trs in your scumpile. Is this because I dared to want to sheep a slot I strongly tr? That’s actually funny.

I don’t push reads unless I feel extremely confident on them, this way I can continue to brag when I get it right. I also don’t understand why Toad is scum?

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@bbt, ceph improved in my eyes for a bit and then a wagon formed on him and he actually got worse! He got weird and ate and sarky

I wrote this hours ago, with a p-edit about corwin but it didn't go through

So you would vote Ceph then?

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it's fine to not have any confident SRs

you can always add/change your reads later

It’s hard in a game with that many players. So I just try to figure out who I think is most likely to be town and go from there.

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Spoiler: Readlists So Far

Highlights so far:

BBT is the most susp'd person - 14 scumreads 0 townreads.
Lukewarm is the most townread person - 19 townreads 0 scumreads.

I townread BBT

BBT might be town from this, nearly everyone has him as red but then everyone sr Kitty in Schadd’s game, so Idk how useful that is.

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My man, Frog!

If anyone still thinks Frog is scum, you need to give your head a wobble.

I'm the counter to his wagon and EVERYONE is scum reading me. It's so easy for scum!Frog to go along with this to kill his wagon completely.

Frog is town. So am I. Now go find scum. Thanks.

Okay, maybe my analysis could actually be right this time.

A lot easier said than done imo, I don’t understand how anyone has confident srs yet.

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@Pooky, you made a mistake, CSF doesn’t have us as red, please fix, yw.

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@Mala, why aren’t you doing anything?

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@Pooky, you made a mistake, CSF doesn’t have us as red, please fix, yw.

I did put you as red. I'm very uncertain about your slot, and I thought you weren't as present as I expected you to be, though tbf, I also didn't know your Internet was out yesterday.

I don't think Titus doing that VCA vote was town indicative btw (@whoever said that), since she has done it as scum before. It also doesn't make sense, since technically all wagons are counterwagons to Cephrir, so shouldn't Titus be voting Cephrir instead of Frogster by her own logic...? but that's not that important, I don't want to belabor this point since it's probably NAI

Yeah and fiwiw, I’m still extremely stressed out about it. I also couldn’t use my phone and probably don’t want to see a tv set for like an entire week.

I haven’t even read that post but it’s actually extremely easy to tell with Titus’ VCA. You know how? It’s not contradictory. Read Death Curse for an example of scum!Titus vc.

You need to read Gamma, he really knows my meta, which he absolutely should from playing about half a gazillion games with me.

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@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

Holy shit dude, you made a read ~52 pages ago based on the start of the game, FoSed every other inactive player, and never looked twice at your very early read even given the "content" of her posts. And you don't think that's giving that slot a pass?

What's the difference between townreading and giving a pass? And why does this bother you so much?

Reads change, he's showing no interest in re-evaluating her while mudslinging half a dozen other people for exactly the same things. Which suggest his motivations about one or the other aren't entirely honest.

Mala hasn’t really done jack except make an odd rvs vote on us and give an enthusiastic tr on Luke.

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Let me help you with your vca argument: counterwagons are a fake concept 99 times out of 100

Not true, while obviously not foolproof, they are often far more useful than that.

VCAs for example rarely have two competing scumwagons though it does happen, so in like approximately 78% of cases, if you flip scum. the cw is statistically highly likely to be town.

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Mala hasn’t really done jack except make an odd rvs vote on us and give an enthusiastic tr on Luke.

and

give an enthusiastic tr

on Luke.

???

Why did you bold and enlarge that? Most of the playerslist is tr him.

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Mala hasn’t really done jack except make an odd rvs vote on us and give an enthusiastic tr on Luke.

~~~~~~~~~~~tone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you disagreeing with this?

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granted ill reeval if mala continues to do nothing but im way happier with her than other low content slots right now so i can certainly understand how frogsterking arrived at the same conclusion

Like it’s still early so could obviously mean anything but I was recently in a game with her where she did nothing as scum, so I’m not currently tr her.

So what other low content slots are you concerned with? I haven’t read anything that happened yesterday, unless someone thinks there’s something I need to see.

[Dancing Puppets]

Mala hasn’t really done jack except make an odd rvs vote on us and give an enthusiastic tr on Luke.

~~~~~~~~~~~tone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you disagreeing with this?

no, im suggesting that what little she has done is readable

I don’t sr anything she’s posted but I don’t have any kind of read on her yet.

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My man, Frog!

If anyone still thinks Frog is scum, you need to give your head a wobble.

I'm the counter to his wagon and EVERYONE is scum reading me. It's so easy for scum!Frog to go along with this to kill his wagon completely.

Frog is town. So am I. Now go find scum. Thanks.

I thought you were getting run up pretty flimsyily but I do not like this. The last time I saw this argument both players were scum lol. How strange.

I have never seen this particular argument from scum buddies but I think I can recall only one game ever where scum this confidently tr their buddies like this.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=18774

JF scumgame.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=18774

JF scumgame.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=18774

JF towngame

I have only played with town!Johnny.

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meta

vca is trash

nope and hell nope

[Dancing Puppets]

I thought you were getting run up pretty flimsyily but I do not like this. The last time I saw this argument both players were scum lol. How strange.

Ewwww.

The last time I got wagoned I was town. So what?

You're just citing an event. I'm citing something you stated as a reason to give a read. The way you try to pretend those are somehow the same thing is gross.

Why is that “gross”?

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Corwin -> town
Dancing Puppets -> null
Galron -> null
Taly -> red
Johnny -> red

Can you explain your Taly sr?

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Okay. Is the kind of sparse content on track for penguin? They seem a little light.

Yeah he's pretty sparse as both alignments.

But it’s in the content. As scum. he really doesn’t do anything but coast. I should probably ISO him. His reads according to Pooky’s graph were off the charts wtf though.

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hey cg, and feel free to ignore this question if the answer is no

are you sure you only get 100 words and not 100 different words

i was just thinking that's what i would have suggested if i saw that post restriction in a setup to make it more fun

The former.
-Guanine

Which head is this? I don’t speak DNA.

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Where is me

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{Dunnstral, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone, Lukewarm}

{Malakittens, Taly, Galron, Roden, Rad, Corwinoid, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Bell, Cytosine and Guanine, Cat Scratch Fever, Enchant}

{Dancing Puppets, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

anyone yellow or below can go

This makes me think Peguin > rand chance of being town because in two games I played with scum!him, he did. pretty much nothing but post like. gazillion cute penguin memes.

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Spoiler:

For the record I like a frog vote. Dude seems shady. Lemme look at a plist and I'll give you the ones who should live to d2

Also Corwin talked a bit about his problems elsewhere, they're real and we should give him space.

Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone

Can you go into these reads some more, and talk about why you're voting Frogster?

Post restriction has me curious. Not necessarily a townread but I would like to, y'know,

play

with Irch and RH9

I like T-Bone, and I don't think scum T-Bone picks a fight with the post restricted hydra here

Frogger seems to be... fake? Like sometimes they'll post something and I'll think to myself "there's no way they actually believe this"

Stand BACK while I post my ROCK SOLID D1 case on Frogger everybody. It'll have quotes and everything

Johnny is the above still the best you have?

Because what you wrote about your read on me is terrible.

Wow fat fingers again, that was at Frogster

Do you think what Johnny wrote about his read on me is objectively terrible, or is it just me?

I mean I lean town on him so I think he's fine.

Trust me, I get the impulse when someone does something bad directed at you. It's something I fight all the time, not always successfully. I don't think you can objectively look at it since it's directed at you.

Yeah it’s tough but sometimes I can tell despite the read on me. I expect certain people to be able to read me better than others. OtH is probably one of my strongest trs now because they are not only correctly reading me but for all the right reasons and Marci sounds exactly like she did in OMB.

[Dancing Puppets]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35197

I dare anyone to tell me this isn’t town!Marci.

[Dancing Puppets]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35197

I dare anyone to tell me this isn’t town!Marci.

this isn't town marci

Hahahahaha, very funny.

[Dancing Puppets]

johnny

did you get to my thoughts about slots im familiar with earlier?

i vaguely skimmed

BBT's

takedown on a post, i dont think "LAMIST" is ever an appropriate depiction of my playstyle.

cor

, you made a post implying you felt the same but wanted

BBT

to expand - what is your vex with me?

pooky/t-bone

i want to hear your take of

marci

!scum

kind of lost on the

johnny

scumreads

I read those as joke posts re: Marci.

I don’t think he is either. Think Cephir could be town because he sounds different than in PA. I’m so lost as to who’s scum. :/

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

johnny

did you get to my thoughts about slots im familiar with earlier?

i vaguely skimmed

BBT's

takedown on a post, i dont think "LAMIST" is ever an appropriate depiction of my playstyle.

cor

, you made a post implying you felt the same but wanted

BBT

to expand - what is your vex with me?

pooky/t-bone

i want to hear your take of

marci

!scum

kind of lost on the

johnny

scumreads

I read those as joke posts re: Marci.

I don’t think he is either. Think Cephir could be town because he sounds different than in PA. I’m so lost as to who’s scum. :/

ill switch gears a bit since several people have expressed feeling lost here

anyone in my

+ null / town

list in 1704 is off the table for me today unless any whack shit is pulled or a consensus is absolutely necessaru.

(possible exceptions: T-Bone + as of recent, I want to hear from Cor about my question, I liked OTH's recent post about me, felt in good faith.)

? null
Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

this is the PoE but it's too large to suggest it as so, it's more of who i am going to focus on sorting for an elimination.

i have no clue how many scum there are in this large a playerlist but 6-7 seem safe?

so roughly half the list is town, other is scum, given i am often wrong on 2 scum at this stage of a large game, 8-9 townies.

PoE needs to be quickly chopped down to 3.

gameplan set, yay!

pedit

pooky/t-bone i want to hear your take of marci!scum

I'ma be honest I don't know who Marci is.

off the hook

hydra

I was joking cause they are in a hydra.

I have Off the Hook as a scumlean but I don't remember why off the top of my head and I haven't reevaluated as of yet since I haven't found anything they've posted recently that caught my eye. But like if you have a meta reason for reading them town, that doesn't resonate with me, so I couldn't engage you on that point.

oof me bad at interpreting jokes online

and fair enough

honestly the vibe in our PT feels moment-to-moment but im trying to avoid paranoia as much as possible.

I sympathize

pooky's the closest to build a consensus actively within this plist, you think that is town or scum motivated?

I like pooky for town. The list would be a brilliant thing to hide behind as scum, but I think he's being forthcoming with his own thoughts as well

we agree on something makes me feel more confident then.

Oh you’re tr him then, your last post confused me.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.

[cursed GIF]

pedit

Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/

oh i felt better with

pooky

!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town

It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.

[Dancing Puppets]

Explain that please. Why?

Because it’s in scum’s interest to not have people know what’s happening. This behaviour is overwhelmingly protown and In the vast majority of games I’ve been in, this type of play has nearly always been from town.

[Dancing Puppets]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler: Johnny's Poe

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Roden
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
PenguinPower
Bell
Cephrir
Frogsterking

Spoiler: Taly's Poe

Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

@Taly when comparing our lists, these are the people you've removed but I haven't:
Bell (we discussed, feel free to skip explanation)
Bellaphant
Roden
Galron
Mala
Nancy and Titus

Do you care to help me remove them from mine?

I'm missing:
T-Bone, and I don't think T-Bone scum goes after the post restricted Ircher slot. Seems actively un-fun, unless they're scum together but we're gonna save that paranoia for later

I’ll help, read that insect game again, several times.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.

[cursed GIF]

pedit

Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/

oh i felt better with

pooky

!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town

It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.

good point,

@T-Bone for p-edit

I think it's counterintuitive for scum because scum can often mold the gamestate to their desires, by keeping an active record of gamestate and consensus for town in real-time, it's more difficult to misconstrue events in favor for a scum-aligned narrative later.

how do you feel about

galron

,

nancy

?

pedit again

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

then whats an AI action from

pooky

in your eyes so far, if one?

I think Galron’s town. If you’ve read my ISO you’d see thar he was one of the slots. I hard vetoed limming today. Galron appears to be genuinely solving, so I totally do not get the srs on him at all.

[Dancing Puppets]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon. Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum. He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

[Dancing Puppets]

I’ll help, read that insect game again, several times.

I played that game during a week-long stay in the hospital I had almost blocked it out.

Well the only other game I can think of is Schadd’s game but I don’t know how helpful that would be considering that the game was pretty much ruined for me due to an absurdly deathtunnelling animated cow.

[Dancing Puppets]

Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens

PenguinPower

Frogsterking

Cat Scratch Fever

Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad

OffTheHook

So this is my POE if I trust Taly. Which I do. I'm gonna see how many ISOs I can stomach before my eyes cross

Pedit: Taly we tried breaking this already

Don’t know about the rest of that list but feel pretty confident these three are town.

[Dancing Puppets]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.

Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.

He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.

Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?

[Dancing Puppets]

My eyebrow is absolutely up at how much pushback these pooky townreads are getting

Pedit- sweet dreams Taly. Thanks for helping me get my feet a lil

Bell is probably just paranoid but as for the rest? don’t know.

[Dancing Puppets]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.

Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.

He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.

Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?

To appear townie. As outlined above it's clearly being read as pro-town. Just pointing out it'd have an advantage for scum too.

So how does that make him scum? You could pretty much make this kind of argument for pretty much anything. Your entire argument is that Pooky could also do this as scum but again why?

Just to look protown and what?

At best this is an argument for an nai read but he isn’t trying to control the game or push an agenda, so not a good reason not tr him. And you didn’t answer my question, why does scum!Pooky do this in the main thread?

And it was me specifically who pointed out the graph thing. Scum!Pooky could presumably get tr just for requesting readslists, which could by itself be a far more convincing argument for being lamisty than making all of these graphs.

[Dancing Puppets]

Klick why did you flip your read on me

I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you

But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed

Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.

But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum

I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.

[Dancing Puppets]

Klick why did you flip your read on me

I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you

But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed

Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.

But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum

I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.

I don't have any statistics or anything, but this

feels

simply untrue.

Faking confident town reads is like one of the easiest things to do as scum lol

I suppose but in general scum likes to push fake srs > having confident trs. But it’s not just having strong trs, it’s the he’d be surprised part but yeah, I guess that could also be fakable.

[Dancing Puppets]

I feel like Dancing Puppets could potentially be scum on the basis of a lot of their recent posts. Feel like there's a lot of stuff about them not necessarily having particularly distinct reads/being willing to sheep despite the fact that they have been quite active anyway. For how much they've posted it feels like there's a real lack of content there.

Do you think scum just admits they're going to sheep at the beginning of the game?

Granted, I think both heads of the hydra are normally very headstrong about their reads. It's a bit weird to see them both want to take a back seat.

this is such a weird post, i cant tell what roden actually believes.
its like hes trying to discrrdit malcolms thoughts, but then he actually says something thats sorta in agreeance with them?

If this is indeed the case. then this will be the first time Roden hasn’t read me correctly. I pretty much didn’t do jack early in DC either so anyone being suss on either of us for activity reasons can just get wrecked.

I don't have a read on you at all yet, and I didn't mention anything about activity.

I think I can read (at least) Nancy fairly consistently...in a game half the size of this one. But with this many players I think both heads are just getting drowned out. You two just aren't positioned in the game like you normally would be, and it's harder to get a read on where your heads are at in relation to everyone else when you aren't feasibly going to have the interactions and associations I tend to rely on to figure you out. And I don't think it's because of your decision to hang back a bit this game, the overall game activity is just so overwhelming that it's hard for more than a core few people to maintain a presence.

Tangentially related, finding out that Johnny apparently has 96 posts kinda stunned me. That's honestly way more than I would expect from him for a single Day phase, but he's still registered as "low activity" in my mind because his entire presence is basically him chewing on the end of a piece of straw and being funny every once in a while. His ISO is actually fine when skimming but he's easily getting overshadowed by the dozen bigger personalities at the forefront of the game.

While it’s true we haven’t played a large together before, I also know that you aren’t like STD who is inconsistent at reading me. What made me so obviously town to you in Schadd’s game and every single other game you’ve played with me that you aren’t seeing here?

And you being correct at reading even extends to my alts - some of them which I doubt you even know about. I have been town in every single game I’ve played with you and even when you didn’t know it was me, you still tr me pretty much out of the gate in every single game.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

Bell
Rad
Enchant
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

hate this.

dunn is orange now.

When did Bell?

I think he's town but I recall you FoSing him somewhere.

~Titus

I think that the way they are treating me comes from town them. Calling out Toogeloo early in pt is towny. Their reads are believable. When they are scum they are more stilted.

PT? Who is in it?

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

---

I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

hey lovelies it's the beakiest bitch of them all

uh I only read this past page and I think Gal/Rad town/town is above rand

Theres like 5 scenarios I imagine mutual paranoia going between S/S and T/S and "how would you react to that" and "we do this all the time so is this valid?" do not strike as scum dialogue

Also Bell townlean for healthy caution in the PT

Though in this case, the reason I pushed Toog is because they posted in thread that they were in a PT and that this implied that they were townie when there was no such indication.
I was uncomfortable with them implying that in thread as a request for a pass.

They also harbored zero doubt on my alignment. Asking me to summarize the game for them over the weekend.
It was weird. But not scummy weird. Just weird.[/quo

yeah no...i hate this post rather than just answering the queston with names.

But this is definitely how they play as town.

solely? because that seems weak when titus is known for vca.

Obviously disagree with some of these takes particularly Dunn but I definitely see conviction in these reads. So unless, someone can link me to game where Penguin played this way as scum, I still lean town on him.

[Dancing Puppets]

Come on Bella, you want me of all people, to comment on meta?

PEdit - Join the Penguin wagon please.

Why are you pushing this so hard? Penguin is a very easy mislim in most games he’s in and you haven’t given a single reason that I can recall why he’s even scum here.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Dunnstral

From bad vote to worse vote. This is town!Dunn here.

[Dancing Puppets]

Penguin is an interesting one for me because as I was reading it felt like everyone and their dog were town reading them and I couldn't understand why. I didn't understand the vote on Bella (133) or the vote on Ceph [170. He says early votes are not serious, OK then, sure we'll go with that.

But then he says that he likes Frog's push back on OTH (283. This seems like it gives him a better reason to vote than his naked vote on Ceph. But he doesn't and as far as I'm caught up to, he still hasn't moved his vote. This probably wouldn't be a problem if the Ceph wagon wasn't the biggest and most prevalent wagon in the game at the time. It just feels like he stays on it much longer than he needs to (for a non-serious early game vote)

You’re more than welcome to your bad meta opinion but it’s just not true. Meta is a reliable scumhunting tool in numerous games, as long as it’s decently recent.

[Dancing Puppets]

From bad vote to worse vote. This is town!Dunn here.

Based on what?

You’re the one naked voting him, why don’t you explain that?

Dunn has been really solvey in his posting and without any obvious agenda.

His like Penguin is also frequent miselimbait.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm sorry? In what way does that respond to my post on Penguin?

I responded to the meta portion of it, obviously.

[Dancing Puppets]

Must have missed the vote. For what it's worth I would agree much more with the Penguin vote than Dunn, I think he's been pretty townie.

I’ve played lots of games with Dunn and scum!Dunn either just coasts or pushes really suspicious tunnels. I think both are probably town here.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Roden

Feeling alright about Roden as possible scum at the moment.

Looking back and their reads list feels quite weak - the town section is quite generic with the exception of maybe Gaston. They have three SRs, one of whom is Toad, who their case against seems pretty weak, with C&G being another, again a SR that doesn't say much given their posting restriction.

While I'm reluctant to go too heavily on associatives early on I think Roden/Galron is a possible team - Roden's defence of Galron when they came under pressure didn't do much for me and felt like the type of early defence a scum teammate could easily make for their buddy.

I’m mulling back and forth whether his noncommittal read on me is possible a way to position to potentially push us later or why scum!Roden wouldn’t just straight up try to pocket me. Like I would expect Roden to tr me here, irrespective his alignment because there hasn’t been a single game that he hasn’t.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Pooky, add Bella and T-Bone to my green list.

[Dancing Puppets]

Bella I don't know what you thought I was saying in our discussion but the intention was not to shade you at all, I was trying to read roden

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35800

Not a strong read but I think Toad feels somewhat different here? Like I was pretty confident on Gamma!scum after I replaced out than Toad reps in and suddenly everyone is hard tr that slot.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Roden

Feeling alright about Roden as possible scum at the moment.

Looking back and their reads list feels quite weak - the town section is quite generic with the exception of maybe Gaston. They have three SRs, one of whom is Toad, who their case against seems pretty weak, with C&G being another, again a SR that doesn't say much given their posting restriction.

While I'm reluctant to go too heavily on associatives early on I think Roden/Galron is a possible team - Roden's defence of Galron when they came under pressure didn't do much for me and felt like the type of early defence a scum teammate could easily make for their buddy.

I’m mulling back and forth whether his noncommittal read on me is possible a way to position to potentially push us later or why scum!Roden wouldn’t just straight up try to pocket me. Like I would expect Roden to tr me here, irrespective his alignment because there hasn’t been a single game that he hasn’t.

That'd potentially make sense. It taps into another idea that's making me factor that's making me doubt Roden here - on the whole I feel like they have a lot of null/non-committal reads, yet their (in my opinion) fairly weak SR on Toad seems a lot more committed by comparison.

@Gamma what do you think? I think it’s slightly odd that Roden isn’t even tl us at all but it’s the post before that one that concerns me more.

[Dancing Puppets]

I feel like Dancing Puppets could potentially be scum on the basis of a lot of their recent posts. Feel like there's a lot of stuff about them not necessarily having particularly distinct reads/being willing to sheep despite the fact that they have been quite active anyway. For how much they've posted it feels like there's a real lack of content there.

Do you think scum just admits they're going to sheep at the beginning of the game?

Granted, I think both heads of the hydra are normally very headstrong about their reads. It's a bit weird to see them both want to take a back seat.

Like considering his later post, why would he consider this to be weird? His lack of a read on us he specifically attributes that to it being a large, so these two posts seem to be inconsistent with each other.

[Dancing Puppets]

Subject: open 852: store bought potions (sold!)

wat is scum going for a quickelim here?

Who is this referring to?

~N

anything goes to E-1 this early, pretty safe to say that's scum dashing for an opportune quickelim. so im just gonna give away a free townread towards n_m here. also i like the strength of his push.

Gullo called me “caught scum” in that game I posted, so unless that is somehow town indicative for NM, it means nothing and I still think one or both of you could be scum here.

Why Roden is convinced it’s TvT is beyond me.

Also, if you think scum is pushing NM, then why are you still voting me?

~N

I think you're town because of how you're reacting. I think you would just be more tactical as scum here, brush off the scum read on you and probably employ some AtE.

NM is probably town just because of his early aggression. I know that it isn't necessarily a town tell for him, but his tunnel on you feels genuine. I think he's just wrong though.

Alternatively, it's possible that you two are SvS and it's just theatre, but I don't really see the point of it. Game state feels a bit too apathetic for that to be necessary imo.

And in another game with town!Roden, he was actively trying to sort me from the getgo. so it’s his lack of doing that which worries me.

[Dancing Puppets]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35782

Here is the only game I’ve played with scum!Roden where he WK’d me.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Nancy

Let's dissect your uncertainty, what would a town and scum motive for

Roden

to push you to be?

Well. it would be townie, if he had a reasonable reason to sr me I guess. For scum!Roden, probably not too smart but here’s the thing, he’s tr me every single game he’s played with me and he doesn’t seem to extremely interested in getting one on me att.

Idk, what do you think of the link I posted to his scumgame? Do you think he sounds similar or different here?

But that’s what I’m debating, why not pocket me? It’s not like that would make me suspicious anymore than it would for someone like Mastina to tr me.

[Dancing Puppets]

Last 8 pages or so I haven't read but I was thinking C%G are a mystery. Nancy do you have any thoughts there? Taly?

Absolutely no clue so dead null.

[Dancing Puppets]

Last 8 pages or so I haven't read but I was thinking C%G are a mystery. Nancy do you have any thoughts there? Taly?

Absolutely no clue so dead null.

Do you believe thy have a postng restriction?

It’s likely. I really don’t see either head making that up.

[Dancing Puppets]

Are you trying to pocket Titus?

Titus is playing this game?

Believe they're one half of Dancing Puppets no?

Affirmative. (Is that lawyer speak?)

[Dancing Puppets]

How’s y’all’s day going? I’m getting bullied by my hydra partner rn

~GE

Marci initially said that about you.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

Malcolm - I see a consistent scum read on Roden in his ISO - 1191, 1785, 2229, 2265 (votes Roden), and I actually like his posts on the previous page where he was talking to Johnny

I'm not really feeling Ceph's scumcase (2301) there. I think Malcolm's Roden progression is fairly transparent. He further disliked Roden's lack of proactive curiosity towards Toad - the "evasiveness"

The "looking at Roden's ISO" could easily come from town who opened up Roden's ISO to check there wasn't something that they missed. This dislike of Roden's readlist is also tracks,

because Malcolm also has disliked Toad (who was the one with only Galron in scum reads)

and has criticized Galron for having a mostly null reads list as well.

Malcolm --> town

I'm not sure I specifically noticed this at the time re Toad but yeah, my general issue there was that there wasn't a lot going on in terms of SRs.

My opinion of Toad has since improved though - their play seems a bit more natural to me and they have a self-awareness at posting a lack of major content so far that's struck me as townie insofar they've drawn attention to it more often than I think scum would want to. I also think their response to pressure from Roden was fair and demonstrated a willingness to be interrogated and to respond, which Roden of course rejected.

I don't necessarily have an issue with a lack of SRs on D1, I get it's not easy in a game of this size and a willingness to admit you're lost can be townie vs scum who are desperate to appear busy. But with Roden it felt odd that they had one scum in their list who has the post count restriction, and another who they've consistently suspected but were unwilling to really push when given an opportunity to do so since their read didn't have that much elaboration. Almost as if they were looking for an easyish slot to sit on D1.

Interesting point, I honestly don’t see how anyone has any kind of read at all on that slot.

[Dancing Puppets]

eh i guess dwlee could be seen the same way, but i think johnnys been more present than they have so its just something that sticks out more for him.

I've been feeling Dwlee town because as outlined above their vote on Pooky felt quite left-field and townie - like it was genuinely some original thought. Their ISO in general though does feel very focused in on Pooky individually (from TR to SR) and would definitely like to see more from the slot.

i dont quite trust dwlee yet, but they arent the worst LOL

recently there was a game where me and dwlee were scumpartners and imo their scumgame is pretty similar to their towngame so I think that might be scary to try and read later on ^.^

I haven’t really given them much thought so far but I disagree that their scumgames and towngames are similar but not really sure I can explain the difference all that well but there definitely is one.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'll be posting later tonight. Social engagement first. Intended to post last night but something IRL happened.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

im curious, i came in with several slots cautious or scumreading me but you've taken to conversation very well, why?

Is this a question for me?

si amigo por favor

@Taly

nah im not feeling the johnny scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

About your Johnny read, I found this and the tail end of 2003

I don't know if pooky town is a hot take. Even with some people here clearly wary of their scumgame, they're still in the top 5 townreads

I saw the PoE stuff, and I was kind of interested to see where he landed with that. But I think you may be overremembering how much discussion you had with them? I didn't find that much beyond asking you to explain some TRs and crossing names off the list.

Looking at their recent posts, I like 2307 though I don't agree with it. Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

---

About Galron, it seems to be mostly a metaread and a TvT interaction with Rad. If you could quote some posts where they've done something that is outside their scumrange, that'd be helpful. My general feeling about their posting is in 1106 - another example is the "Challenge me" post that was just ??? random and other tonal stuff like that, and their thought process feels opaque to me.

my approach to joining this game was pretty passive, to have someone actively think of a mutual solve when it was already expressed that many people, including myself, had difficulty sorting a definite scumread, seemed much more likely town in my eyes. nothing in

johnny's

post has overtly signaled to me that he's leading me to any specific conclusion that i must follow, and him thanking me for my participation felt sincere.

so no, my read on

johnny

isn't based on how much we have discussed reads, it's how reads were discussed.

i agree with

penguin

, if memory serves, ive mislimmed them before so im good with taking more time to sort the slot. nothing ive skimmed has caught my attention.

~

ooof wasn't prepared for

galron

rep

Math

, you'll have to flesh out why

galron's

rep warrants an FOS. feels NAI off principle since there was no indication a rep-out would occur

@Bella will get to you, something IRL caught my attention

It felt like Galron replaced out due to fearing I would FoS them and they’d be sunk.

When I calmed down that was unlikely.

Galron replacing out is totally nai, he replaced out Chromavalon and Slaughter Hour.

[Dancing Puppets]

Luke's 100% correct thoughts on Math's rep in:

2313: MathBlade prioritized reading his own slots iso on rep in.

You know who needs to make sure that they don't contradict the prior owner of thier slot?

Scum!

Case Closed.

---

But also, the way that he tried to latch onto corwinoid's post about Frog also felt weird.

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Because, there is no sign Math actually did any of the follow up I would have expected from him if he was actually interested in this.

Like, checking to see if literally two posts after corwin's post, frog directly responded to it

{snip}

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

Or looking at Mala himself to see if there was a reason to think differently about the two slots.

Yeah, maybe? Town!Math usually immediately starts making reaads and engaging with the playerlist.

[Dancing Puppets]

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Bell}

{Malakittens, Galron, Roden, Rad, Mathblade, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, T-Bone}

{Taly, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad, Cat Scratch Fever, Dunnstral}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

How is it possible for you to have such a terrible readslist? *smdh*

I’m obviously referring to OtH and my slot?

Taly, Dunn and CSF reads aren’t really much better.

[Dancing Puppets]

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Bell}

{Malakittens, Galron, Roden, Rad, Mathblade, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, T-Bone}

{Taly, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad, Cat Scratch Fever, Dunnstral}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

How is it possible for you to have such a terrible readslist? *smdh*

I’m obviously referring to OtH and my slot?

Taly, Dunn and CSF reads aren’t really much better.

Reading now.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Anyways, we are not killing Johnny today.

Help me kill Mathblade.

Why do you say we are not killing Johnny?

I think he’s probably town.

[Dancing Puppets]

I really hate 2430 rawr.

Hating on good posting. Sad.

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Bell}

{Malakittens, Galron, Roden, Rad, Mathblade, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, T-Bone}

{Taly, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad, Cat Scratch Fever, Dunnstral}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

Wow only moving me down to null? Come on.

Maybe he’s reading a different game than the rest of us, because this list has NM tier insightful reads. I do like his greens though.

[Dancing Puppets]

Math replaced into a town slot so like take a chill pill

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

If Math contradicts my confirmed town mason claim then we can know he's actually scum.

I’m confused by this.

[Dancing Puppets]

Maybe he’s reading a different game than the rest of us, because this list has NM tier insightful reads. I do like his greens though.

Like his greens - nm tier reads...

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

[Dancing Puppets]

do you just post to read what you write?

Wut

[Dancing Puppets]

Even youtube advice cannot help me. I knew it was a mistake to play a new category of game without like paying a billion other games of the type. But you have to start somewhere.
Rip.

Oh well.

I'm happy to kill someone soon. Who are we missing from the list of reads lists Pooky?

VOTE: Bell

I wanna see where this goes.

The DNA of their posts feels funny. Like my inner voice pings me.

There’s only one DNA slot in this game and it isn’t Bell and he’s one of my top trs.

I mean Bell, not the DNA slot.

[Dancing Puppets]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

[Dancing Puppets]

do you just post to read what you write?

Wut

*sigh* you say you like my "greens" implying that you like my town reads but at the same time say that my reads are uninsightful - read: bad - so....talking out both sides = writing to read what you write and not actually understanding or believing it.

I assure you I totally believe what I said and you trying to imply anything contradicting that is not going to work on me.

[Dancing Puppets]

do you just post to read what you write?

Wut

*sigh* you say you like my "greens" implying that you like my town reads but at the same time say that my reads are uninsightful - read: bad - so....talking out both sides = writing to read what you write and not actually understanding or believing it.

It's because you sin by not matching Puppets' reads...whatever they are.

He’s trying to imply I contradicted myself when I didn’t but yeah that too.

[Dancing Puppets]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

[Dancing Puppets]

I assure you I totally believe what I said and you trying to imply anything contradicting that is not going to work on me.

I *totally* believe this because you wrote it.

I really don’t care what you believe, I stand by what I said.

[Dancing Puppets]

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Sorry - I should have been more explicit. Why should I be reading those scum reads as town?

If you’re going to act deliberately obtuse, then I’m likely wasting my time with this. I said you had NM tier reads for a reason and it obviously wasn’t about your greens.

[Dancing Puppets]

I realize I've been taunting a bit much. I like Math for town because I strongly town read his predecessor. I didn't understand the scumread on Corwin then, even if I understand the impulse to scumread Math now.

I’m on the fence, maybe?

What do people think about Roden? He just seem to be really non-committal about his reads. I was really hoping he’d respond to all of the posts about that so I could clarify my read on him.

[Dancing Puppets]

pooky! look at these timestamps:

???

[Dancing Puppets]

If you’re going to act deliberately obtuse, then I’m likely wasting my time with this. I said you had NM tier reads for a reason and it obviously wasn’t about your greens.

bs - I stated why i put them where I did.

You haven't told me why I should put them where you want them.

Read my ISO and theirs. Beyond that I really can’t help you.

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

Then neither of you read Schadd’s last game where he was one of the main reasons we lost,

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

I am amazed anyone can read lack of posts besides hammering

Has Not Mafia started to provide content?

He’s not in this game. I’m saying that Penguin’s reads on us, OtH, Taly, CSF and Dunn are bad because NM deathtunnelled my slot in Schadd’s game, scum pocketed my slot and miselimmed him and we lost.

This could possibly be a townslip.

[Dancing Puppets]

If you’re going to act deliberately obtuse, then I’m likely wasting my time with this. I said you had NM tier reads for a reason and it obviously wasn’t about your greens.

bs - I stated why i put them where I did.

You haven't told me why I should put them where you want them.

Read my ISO and theirs. Beyond that I really can’t help you.

How about no. You called my reads out, not the other way around.

Because the ones I objected to are wrong.

[Dancing Puppets]

Uh in Schadds last game

Town SKINNED THE SCUMMIES

NIGHTACTIONSFORTHEWIN

No in his MOST recent game, town got scum stomped. I ought to know, I was in it.

[Dancing Puppets]

82

Read to here. Notes documented. Stopping reading and looking at the VCs.

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

Then neither of you read Schadd’s last game where he was one of the main reasons we lost,

Wow - almost like one game doesn't define a player....almost.

Wow, like he did the exact same thing to another player before me - also deathtunnelled them for some ridiculous reason and obviously didn’t learn anything from that.

[Dancing Puppets]

Jk

Idk

I need to sleep

No one is asking game revelant questions to me

When they should be using the fact I’m here and active to do so

SO EVERYONE IS SCUM BUT ME

I WIN

I did ask a question, I wanted to know how people are currently reading Roden. Idk if it means anything that I have no idea how to read his slot. For someone who’s provided as much content as he has. I should probably have a far more confident take on him, yet I don’t.

[Dancing Puppets]

Ugh, I have a data plus VCA read but I don't want to vote there but I don't want to read more either. Somebody help. Too many theories but some solid town: Pooky, OTH, Cephrir, toad (memory from first skim not current notes really), Bella

[Dancing Puppets]

Ugh, I have a data plus VCA read but I don't want to vote there but I don't want to read more either. Somebody help. Too many theories but some solid town: Pooky, OTH, Cephrir, toad (memory from first skim not current notes really), Bella

Bell not Bella

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

Then neither of you read Schadd’s last game where he was one of the main reasons we lost,

Wow - almost like one game doesn't define a player....almost.

Wow, like he did the exact same thing to another player before me - also deathtunnelled them for some ridiculous reason and obviously didn’t learn anything from that.

Every player has at least 1 bad scum read in literally ever single game that they play in.

Sounds to me like you just take it personally when someone incorrectly scum reads you, to the point of dragging it into different games. (This is not even the first time you have brought that game up)

I would very much prefer you not use this game as a place to bad mouth other players abilities where they are unable to comment to defend themselves.

So, I am asking you to please drop this conversation.

Sorry, I’m still salty over that game but fine.

[Dancing Puppets]

Nancy can you pop on discord?

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

Then neither of you read Schadd’s last game where he was one of the main reasons we lost,

Wow - almost like one game doesn't define a player....almost.

Wow, like he did the exact same thing to another player before me - also deathtunnelled them for some ridiculous reason and obviously didn’t learn anything from that.

Every player has at least 1 bad scum read in literally ever single game that they play in.

Sounds to me like you just take it personally when someone incorrectly scum reads you, to the point of dragging it into different games. (This is not even the first time you have brought that game up)

I would very much prefer you not use this game as a place to bad mouth other players abilities where they are unable to comment to defend themselves.

So, I am asking you to please drop this conversation.

Sorry, I’m still salty over that game but fine.

I just want to add it involved a helluva a lot more than a bad sr ftr, I’m talking about a relentless deathtunnel based off a single nai post, so not really the same thing at all but dropping it now, okay?

[Dancing Puppets]

Math reasonless 5 names can be scum even if impossible together

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Ugh, I have a data plus VCA read but I don't want to vote there but I don't want to read more either. Somebody help. Too many theories but some solid town: Pooky, OTH, Cephrir, toad (memory from first skim not current notes really), Bella

Sooooo.....just moving on then? Love preflip VCA reads tbh.

Nope, I want a wagon to sheep based on my sekkrit reads.

[Dancing Puppets]

Math reasonless 5 names can be scum even if impossible together

~Titus

Bell
Lukewarm
2-3 people on the Cephrir wagon at start

If only two then someone pushing me on replace in.

I like don’t have reads on half the game. So not sure what this serves

Gauging your accuracy. :/ I kinda get Luke but he obvtowns with Rad comments. Bell is just nope.

[Dancing Puppets]

Flavor

The Black Rock, an old ship found inland on the island, contains dynamite. Rousseau used some for her traps. Dynamite was also used to blow up the door to the hatch. Dynamite is dangerous, and on the trip to retrieve some to blow up the hatch, a high school teacher named Arzt mishandled some and lost his life.

Vote Count 1.13

5 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Cephrir, Lukewarm, Galron)

4 Cephrir (BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Bellaphant (Frogsterking)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Toogeloo

I kinda feel like these past few are an important VC.

Like if Cephrir is town as I think he is

Then we either have a counterwagon on scum!frog or so far scum haven’t really seen a threat yet

Math, VCA is good for a willing to flip and a starter vote but that's all at the moment.

Talk to me about Rad, bbt and Dwlee please

[Dancing Puppets]

I bet that even though Dwlee is the sick one they are the most likely to post that list out of the 3 remaining.

Which list? Game is moving too fast.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

I am amazed anyone can read lack of posts besides hammering

Has Not Mafia started to provide content?

Did anyone else catch this? I think Math is town.

~N

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

I am amazed anyone can read lack of posts besides hammering

Has Not Mafia started to provide content?

Did anyone else catch this? I think Math is town.

~N

So Luke you can lecture me all you like for the reasons you did but if my bringing up NM caused Math to townslip than that’s obviously a good thing.

[Dancing Puppets]

The pooky read's list.

Hi Titus.

Is there a legend for the post? Green town? Yellow Null? Red scum? Reads list on the left?

Not sure I TR Math but if he keeps his posting rate reasonable, I have bigger fish to fry and Nancy TRs him so....

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Narrowing down my willing to vote list. Yes there are still 12 names here, no it doesn't mean I'm actively looking to lim you yet. I have just removed the other half of the player list from my consideration one way or another, and haven't had those aha moments for any of these players yet. I'm on the verge of removing a few more names.

Spoiler: WtV List

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Frogsterking
The toad
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
PenguinPower

I'd do PP Malcolm or Frogster. My sekkrit SR is on here too.

[Dancing Puppets]

After finishing the VCs I can go for a Frog wagon I think

We need to start kinda discussing big game picture.

My inner voice kinda still pings me that Bell is scum but I think it might be better to delay it and get a rough idea how D1 is going in general.

If Frog is scum then prob lock town Cephrir

If Frog is town then either my initial assessment of Cephrir is wrong or there’s scum in the hyperposters

VOTE: Frog

Math is likely town.

Now I hope he doesn't annoy people.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

I am amazed anyone can read lack of posts besides hammering

Has Not Mafia started to provide content?

Did anyone else catch this? I think Math is town.

~N

no? not at all.

He obviously thought NM was on the playerlist.

~N

[Dancing Puppets]

{Best Bird}

{PookyTheMagicalBear}

{JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Bell, T-Bone}

{Malakittens, Galron, Roden, Rad, Mathblade, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Klick, Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant}

{Taly, MalcolmTucker, Frogsterking, The toad, Cat Scratch Fever, Dunnstral}

{Off the Hook, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets}

{BlueBloodedToffee}

{}

quick catchup, but this is about where I'm at...Dancing Puppet may or may not have switched with BBT.

Could Titus actually be right about you? Unless you have another alt called “bad bitd”?

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

[Dancing Puppets]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

[Dancing Puppets]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Can you expand on this? The depth seems lacking. I think you can do better.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

If I was DNA hydra I would be annoyed by posts like this. If I was the mod I would say a picture is worth a thousand words or some BS like that. What are your reads in the game?

Post 2597 — Dunn being gone for a while or lurking is NAI. Can you expand more on this? It seems unwarranted.

Yes this seems random things pinged my inner voice as I was ISOing.

I’ve already explained and re-explained it, I don’t know how I can make it clearer?

I explained Dunn in my last post.

Re: DNA hydra, I have no clue what would or wouldn’t annoy them because they really haven’t clearly explained their post restriction or if they did, then it went over my head,

~N

[Dancing Puppets]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

so it

is

literally just me saying that your slot is scum...and everything else was just chaff. cool.

No, I really don’t appreciate you continuing to mischaracterizing my posts. Just because I made this statement - in THIS post - doesn’t even remotely negate what I previously posted about your other reads. Are you even honestly trying to solve me or just continue to twist my words?

~N

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your hydra partner failed to even provide some simple reasons for reads not too long ago so honestly there's not much reason to town read you. If you were asking Penguin for reasons for his reads and he refused you'd scumread him.

How do you figure that?

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: dancing puppets

don't really care where the vc is at this point

VOTE: best bird

[Dancing Puppets]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

it is in fact possible for town players to think you are not town

He is clearly ignoring my posts and twisting everything I’m saying. If he was town here, he wouldn’t be blatantly ignoring them.

[Dancing Puppets]

Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

She’s been dealing with a lot of rl issues.

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

[Dancing Puppets]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

idk what game you are talking about wrt me and you playing.

appreciate the input on dunn, csf, and taly, but i don't agree atm. maybe i can push dunn up a slot.

PYP where I was in a scum hydra with Pooky and replaced Lillith and you played on this account.

[Dancing Puppets]

It does appear Puppets is having an easier time explaining Town reads than scum reads.

Which is typical for me early game, which is something I’ve already discussed and you’d actually know this if you bothered to read my goddamned ISO.

[Dancing Puppets]

That wasn’t a compliment. I recently played a game where we lost because NM deathtunnelled me for a nai opening post.

um...re-read my post?

I did. Your reads on us, OtH, CSF, Dunn, Taly are bad.

Oh - so there are just certain reads that you disagree with and the rest you are okay with.

Possibly next time say that, and what you disagree with, instead of trying to call them all trash but "your greens are good."

Now that we have a starting point, talk to me about

why

they are bad. I've given my (limited, and at most - hey it's D1) on Dunn, CSF, OtH, Taly, and....you.

Well first off you have us and probably my strongest tr as orange and then you have other strong trs of mine as yellows.

I would seriously like to understand your thought process in that. The greens I like because I obviously vibe with those, so you’re right, your list isn’t all bad. I just don’t understand how you can have those green reads and the other ones I mentioned as being so off.

Can you expand on this? The depth seems lacking. I think you can do better.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

If I was DNA hydra I would be annoyed by posts like this. If I was the mod I would say a picture is worth a thousand words or some BS like that. What are your reads in the game?

Post 2597 — Dunn being gone for a while or lurking is NAI. Can you expand more on this? It seems unwarranted.

Yes this seems random things pinged my inner voice as I was ISOing.

I’ve already explained and re-explained it, I don’t know how I can make it clearer?

I explained Dunn in my last post.

Re: DNA hydra, I have no clue what would or wouldn’t annoy them because they really haven’t clearly explained their post restriction or if they did, then it went over my head,

~N

Only the first post was directed to you.

I will ruminate on this as I eat. Maybe my inner voice will speak up more later.

I believe DNA hydra has a post restriction from what I have read. 100 words I think?

They’ve posted so little but yeah, think so.

[Dancing Puppets]

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

so it

is

literally just me saying that your slot is scum...and everything else was just chaff. cool.

No, I really don’t appreciate you continuing to mischaracterizing my posts. Just because I made this statement - in THIS post - doesn’t even remotely negate what I previously posted about your other reads. Are you even honestly trying to solve me or just continue to twist my words?

~N

You're in a hydra and I will respond to what your slot does as a hydra. Work it out in your hydra PT. I won't be acknowleding hydra dissonance here.

???

It’s MY posts you’ve been referencing, not Titus?

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm always down for yeeting Corwin

dude was scummy af when he was here

Do you think it makes sense that scum!Math wouldn’t know NM wasn’t actually a player in this game?

[Dancing Puppets]

Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

I am pretty sure that both the earlier posts refusing to elaborate, and that post elaborating were both coming from Nancy lol

hard to tell when some are signed and some aren't then....

I’m trying to remember to sign more now but until pretty much recently. I was the only head posting.

[Dancing Puppets]

okay, i feel better about dancing puppets now

---

Narrowing down my willing to vote list. Yes there are still 12 names here, no it doesn't mean I'm actively looking to lim you yet. I have just removed the other half of the player list from my consideration one way or another, and haven't had those aha moments for any of these players yet. I'm on the verge of removing a few more names.

Spoiler: WtV List

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Frogsterking
The toad
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
PenguinPower

This list looks very different from mine. With the exception of The toad, who I'm still rather uncertain about, everyone else here I think is town.

Everyone I'm willing to vote (basically null and scumreads):

Spoiler:

MathBlade
T-Bone
Roden
Taly
Dwlee
C&G
Toad
BBT
Cephrir
Johnny

I’ll try to link Taly in Anything uPick and Slaughter Hour tomorrow unless they beat me to it.