LOST (Game Over)

[Bell]

VOTE: Lukewarm

*hugs*

[Bell]

VOTE: Bellaphant

It feels necessary to eliminate you or Bell today so that people don't get confused between the two of you. You're not here to defend yourself, so you're naturally the easier choice.

I was just thinking that. But I remember them having a penguin avatar.
I don’t have the heart.
Oth, I don’t remember them being especially active. Or easy to read.

Petit: ugh, two penguins. Just what I needed.

[Bell]

there is only one penguin

Factually incorrect.

[Bell]

So the monster in black.
And then there’s the others.

Who would the rest of the bad guys be? Like traitors? Dead weight?
I never watched lost.

[Bell]

Mafia is not determined by flavor.
Nvm. Skimmed rules.
Also I joined a bastard game.
And roles don’t flip with alignment. Which is fine because honestly I just get confused with roles anyway

[Bell]

It’s pretty clear just by my role that the flavor does determine what kind of role you have.

[Bell]

@STD.
The last number is the answer to the universe.
It is also the number to my building.

[Bell]

VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

There are ways around this. Will STD be olbliging for example if I made a plist and asked you to hold who you suspected would that be considered your words or mine?

[Bell]

Stones: cajones. electromagnetic scones.

Highly features: rocks. Plays starring role in most movies and makes appearances in all the others.
Also, acts as birth control in lost land.

[Bell]

Roles are attached to the flavor but not alignment.
And then they probably tweaked the scum roles for balance like every other mod ever.
You just can’t say I’m Jack therefore I can’t be scum(plot twist, Jack is dead and replaced by a scum agent).
No, that wasn’t a crumb.

[Bell]

I am here to build a new church and bring you all to the promised land

who will help me lead the flock

VOTE: Pooky

[Bell]

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Toogeloo
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Cephrir
Frogsterking
Roden
Rad
Corwinoid
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey
Lukewarm
PenguinPower


Please color code semi regularly.
Thx.

[Bell]

There have been a ton of flavor softs already.

Not sure flavor claiming is helpful to town though

Would recommend not doing this. Imo.
Flavor claiming I mean.
Unless you’re a rock. In which case feel free.

[Bell]

guys gammas bullying me

You were made for this game Marci.
Tell Gamma you’re like the most survivalist survivor to have ever survived.
They must take a back seat.

[Bell]

I never watched Lost so all flavor is completely, ahem, lost on me. Happy to be town though!

Obviously scum. Not town binning you for this. Not the easiest sort ever. Nope. Not gunna do it.

[Bell]

bell r u town this game too?

No.

[Bell]

I’m 3rd party.

[Bell]

One day I will not try to kill your when you try to start a cult midgame.
As soon as you stop being scum every time you try to start one.

Today is maybe or maybe not that day.
I did miss playing with you pooky.
Nostalgia is the only drug I need.

[Bell]

d

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[Bell]

One day I will not try to kill your when you try to start a cult midgame.
As soon as you stop being scum every time you try to start one.

Today is maybe or maybe not that day.
I did miss playing with you pooky.
Nostalgia is the only drug I need.

I swear Pooky was town when he did it in Guitarists
is my memory completely fried?

~GE

He does it as town too. But funnily enough Pooky rolls scum >rand.
So it’s technically true from my perspective. But it was kind of self-aware joke/half bullshit pressure that I don’t really expect to go anywhere because Pooky is a pain to take down because of their engagement style.

I.e., nothing to 125%.

[Bell]

what does knowing the flavor or not have to do with the game

Roles and flavor seem to align.
That’s it.

[Bell]

Lost is the one about the guy and his volleyball isn't it?

That was a p. Good movie.
Castaway.

[Bell]

Malcolm, what's up?
How are you? Are you still getting eliminated every day 1?
How has all of the being eliminated effecting your playstyle this game or how do you predict it will if at all?

[Bell]

So the monster in black.
And then there’s the others.

Who would the rest of the bad guys be? Like traitors? Dead weight?
I never watched lost.

Mafia is not determined by flavor.
Nvm. Skimmed rules.
Also I joined a bastard game.
And roles don’t flip with alignment. Which is fine because honestly I just get canfused with roles anyway

This could be scum trying to pull a fast one on us by pretending not to know

Lol

[Bell]

So the monster in black.
And then there’s the others.

Who would the rest of the bad guys be? Like traitors? Dead weight?
I never watched lost.

Mafia is not determined by flavor.
Nvm. Skimmed rules.
Also I joined a bastard game.
And roles don’t flip with alignment. Which is fine because honestly I just get canfused with roles anyway

This could be scum trying to pull a fast one on us by pretending not to know

Lol

hi my role has a drawback and i haven't decided yet whether to claim harder than that or not

VOTE: enchant i don't think a rock will help us survive this situation

What if we didn't do this every time

I guess I should out my drawback as Hated if we're doing this again

What made you want to keep the hated part a secret initially?

rofl i thought he was joking

I don't joke around

1. That's a lie.
2. What exactly do you want me to say, I make those types of posts almost every theme game I've been in and I've been town in most of them, I might even pretend ignorance of the set up less to appear more competent in the hopes of driving wagons more effectively. I assume you don't remember this because I don't see what angle scum you would have to bringing up inaccurate information when I'd slap it out of your mouth.

[Bell]

@Gamma, sure yeah. Flavor could help with identifying the legitimacy of a claim. Please don't go overboard Lost watchers.

[Bell]

I make those types of posts almost every theme game I've been in and I've been town in most of them,

If you do the same thing in every game, it does mean you will end up doing it more as town, because town is a more common alignment than mafia. This does not mean that you doing it makes you less likely to be mafia, however.

I might even pretend ignorance of the set up less to appear more competent in the hopes of driving wagons more effectively. I assume you don't remember this because I don't see what angle scum you would have to bringing up inaccurate information when I'd slap it out of your mouth.

I do not have any knowledge of you doing this.

Cool. I do this. Now you know.
Yes. It's entirely possible that I could be *lying*
scare quotes.

[Bell]

Rad you can't show weakness like this

Tell Marci to eat bricks

Which one uses all the 'u' in their messages? I like that one and the other one can eat bricks.

This is probably a common reaction. RIP.

@T-bone could you wait until the next episode. We gotta stretch this out.

@Frogster have I not seemed defensive?

[Bell]

I can argue that this is showing a higher awareness of the gamestate which can be viewed as cautious/scummy.

Wait, so having a strong understanding of what's happened so far in the game is SCUMMY to you? lol

Is this a common belief?

No.
But there’s a nuance to it, that could be right for certain scum players, along the vein of “player pays more attention to other people’s reads than their own”

Or some such.

[Bell]

I'm tempted to townread pooky because their persona seems different from D1 in the large theme KTANE game

Bad frog.

[Bell]

So do y'all like take physical notes for these larges? I have never completed one

I make notes PTs.
@Ceprir, don't make that type of post I'll reflexively vote you if you do it again.

Can someone explain Klick to me.
I can't read whatever they're doing.

[Bell]

I feel like there could be one scum in Galron/Frog from their argument.

While I don't agree with T-Bone's view re the faked restriction, I think he's town for suggesting it. Seems like a theory unlikely to come from scum.

I don’t really see it. It just looks like Frogster pissed them off. And they responded how they responded.

[Bell]

That would be Galron’s responsibility, not mine, silly.

[Bell]

I think Pooky’s approach makes sense so far.
But they’ve done meta pushes before as scum sometimes on their own partners (e.g., baltar)

[Bell]

That would be Galron’s responsibility, not mine, silly.

I don't think I did anything to piss off Galron, because I don't think Galron has a false sense of entitlement. I think if they appeared pissed off then they are likely acting.

One of my improv teachers explained to us one day: "remember in improv we have four emotions: mad, sad, glad and afra'ad!"

Haha. I must be super depressed today because I didn’t laugh at this.
Uh, probably a failure of imagination, they might not even admit to it or I could be totally wrong. Since explaining your own morality can be awkward. Best just to hide it and pretend it’s something else.

[Bell]

Bella feels town, maybe Frogster too

Still struggling for strong scumreads

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I lowkey also thought last night that C+G might've been faking their posting restriction but as an excuse to not engage with the thread

Ircher doesn’t really engage with the thread even without post restrictions. Until suddenly, they do.

[Bell]

Bella feels town, maybe Frogster too

Still struggling for strong scumreads

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I lowkey also thought last night that C+G might've been faking their posting restriction but as an excuse to not engage with the thread

They feel town do they?

[Bell]

I’ve made posts like Galron’s as town. It’s trying to take away your sense of efficacy because you did something they didn’t approve of.
Also, frog, if you don’t think you have sharp edges I have a bridge to sell you.

[Bell]

Even if you softened your edges, you’d still cut people. People don’t change easily.

[Bell]

In b4 Galron denies all of this and I get embarrassed and misinterpreted them entirely.

[Bell]

i think dunnstral has been slowly transforming into an AI and now he's a robot because no one noticed and put a stop to it

Is this a reference to dance game?

[Bell]

In retrospect I should have let them post a bit more before explaining my thoughts because I've now tainted the process for the rest of the day.

True. Not invited to the opinion party, but I don’t see much benefit to questioning chat restrictions. I reflexively challenge them and ultimately I’ve never gotten anything positive out of it.

[Bell]

You are sarcastic

[Bell]

That’s not what I meant.

[Bell]

I’m sorry.
Last two games had literal or pseudo chat restrictions.
My shit posting glee cannot be contained.

[Bell]

VOTE: CSF

Because.

[Bell]

So 17 pages have happened since I went to work.

That's always nice. Got some reading to do. Or not. See how I feel.

Cool. Thanks.
Real quick before you go.
Are you scum?

[Bell]

VOTE: CSF

Because.

What's on your mind, Bell?

Not doing enough. No nuanced takes. Nothing that seems interesting or can’t be said by scum.

[Bell]

Don’t care if you’re the most powerful PR to ever PR, there’s a billion people worth shooting over you even at your most hype.

[Bell]

Just try.

[Bell]

….uh. That’s bad that you don’t enjoy hunting as town.
But I could see why scum you wouldn’t have much fun making shit up.

[Bell]

You think?

[Bell]

The knights can go first tho.

[Bell]

That's just how I talk Bell

But I think it should also be somewhat apparent to those following the thread closely. Idk

Sure, I’m just trying to gotcha’ you to see how/if you react badly to it.
Uh. Not feelin’ much.

*points at Cephrir*
I love you. Are you a cop? Please claim cop.

[Bell]

Cephrir is a cop with multiple investigates.

[Bell]

Only a cop could mistake two people for each other at close range.

[Bell]

VOTE: Cephrir

>.>

[Bell]

We should all go back to this.

[Bell]

how long do you have to be wrong about this before i can finally claim you got one wrong and i'm therefore vindicated

At least 30 minutes. But currently I take no blame, because your play this game is near indistinguishable from like, the last 3 times you were scum.

[Bell]

I know it’s on purpose. But like, what am I supposed to do with that.

[Bell]

To borrow Frog’s chess analogy, everybody knows the right first 20 moves. (Well I don’t but you know), unless they get pushed into ambiguous territory. I know I’m already obvious town, but like, that’s what I gotta do. Or just kill you so you try something different.

[Bell]

You whine about how you hate being pressured, but it’s the bread and butter of player’s who want to figure out what’s up with the guy who keeps posting non-AI stuff.

[Bell]

To borrow Frog’s chess analogy, everybody knows the right first 20 moves. (Well I don’t but you know), unless they get pushed into ambiguous territory. I know I’m already obvious town, but like, that’s what I gotta do. Or just kill you so you try something different.

bell i would be more likely to react weirdly if you, specifically, *didn't* try to kill me at this point

Nah, you would have just kept going as you were going.

[Bell]

And I guess you would have faked suspicion on me for not suspecting you but you did that last game, so.

[Bell]

Yw.
I am very skilled. If you ever need a cleared scum to win a game for you, please contact me.

[Bell]

I actually have no idea what they mean by this kind of dance in shakesphere. I pretty much entirely avoided talking to any of my scum partners the entire game.

[Bell]

@Marci you’re weird.

[Bell]

You’re smelly.

[Bell]

Dunnstral what’s my alignment this game?

[Bell]

Mine

[Bell]

Dunnstral what’s my alignment this game?

[Bell]

Anyways, anyone else have any questions for me before I go?

If you don’t town bin me I’m gunna scum read you.

[Bell]

Bruh.
Would I even do this if I were scum

[Bell]

Telling you to town bin me.

[Bell]

Nancy, why do you want to sheep someone instead of finding someone you think is scum and then pushing for their death? I find that >rand chance you yourself think you’re town, no?

[Bell]

Nancy, why do you want to sheep someone instead of finding someone you think is scum and then pushing for their death?

I find that >rand chance you yourself think you’re town, no?

It’s d1, no flips yet and I don’t have any srs to push yet, so if that doesn’t change closer to deadline, sheeping would obviously make the most sense, unless it contradicts one of my more confident trs.

Explain the bolded please? Lol I obviously already know I’m town.

Scum pretend to have town perspectives.

Premise you provided.
1. I want to sheep someone I think is likely to be town.
2. Wait, the most likely person to be town....is me!
3. I should sheep myself.

[Bell]

VOTE: Corwinoid

[Bell]

More corwinoid votes for saying they were gunna catch up and then never catching up.
Lim all liars.

[Bell]

Bell, do you have thoughts on Frog or Galron?

I don't like them.

[Bell]

1. Uh. Those players are likely to also be decent scum.
2. Yes duh.
3. No it doesn't.

[Bell]

Half truths aside,
I dunno. I've never been able to read Galron and my default desire is to auto-kill them.
I've played with Frogster once. I don't like Pooky's push there because it's insane when you think about it. But I'm happy to let it sit.
Mostly I just keep getting tempted to slap Frog's ego down. Which I tend to think is a town thing. But I dunno. I don't know frog that well.

[Bell]

She said people who she also trusts to have good takes.

[Bell]

Is there a reason you're chill this game Roden?

[Bell]

I wish I could vote 5-8 people right now.

[Bell]

Half truths aside,
I dunno. I've never been able to read Galron and my default desire is to auto-kill them.
I've played with Frogster once. I don't like Pooky's push there because it's insane when you think about it. But I'm happy to let it sit.
Mostly I just keep getting tempted to slap Frog's ego down. Which I tend to think is a town thing. But I dunno. I don't know frog that well.

I think Bell not liking me pushing Frogster only increases the odds that Frogster will flip scum here

More corwinoid votes for saying they were gunna catch up and then never catching up.
Lim all liars.

I'm sorry everyone, I've been our the last day and a half with some unexpected family issues, I'm catching up now.

@Bell are you seriously kidding me?

That was 6 hours ago.

[Bell]

I wish I could vote 5-8 people right now.

You could always just put a list of people you'd be willing to vote for instead of actually voting

No order:

Pooky
Cephrir
Penguin(?)
Corwin
CSF

[Bell]

There's a difference between who I'm willing to vote versus who I want to vote right now.
I'm willing to vote anyone but me if the argument or the circumstances are good enough.
I want to vote those people.

[Bell]

I wish I could vote 5-8 people right now.

You could always just put a list of people you'd be willing to vote for instead of actually voting

No order:

Pooky
Cephrir
Penguin(?)
Corwin
CSF

Explain.

1. I keep getting glimses of scum them but I see scum them so much and I imagine they repeat their behaviors like Cephrir does that I may just be annoyed with them. I'm tired of this argument being made so I'll respond to it now. There's a difference between being wishy-washy and unsure. I'm unsure. But that's what pushes are for.
2. They're I'm in the "I should just kill this instead of watching a player intentionally obfuscate their motivations" They're basically not participating. Or they were and then they voted, but it was an empty vote.
3. They're sort of always non-spicy but they seem even more so this game.
4. Stated.
5. I've only played with CSF the try-hard. This isn't that.

[Bell]

I'm actually coming around on town!Corwin myself.

??? why?

I feel like every time I start to feel good about you being town, you go and post something random like this

When did you feel good about them being town and why didn't you mention that?

[Bell]

it's wild how much folks are reading into players, including me, who haven't even started playing yet

Is this when you start pocketing people and faking town tells

They're more of a pocket person.

@Pooky, I get that they're stilted as scum but this seems a very low bar you've let them step over.

[Bell]

I don't recall saying that Corwin was lying. I never think a person is lying about their circumstances nor do I doubt them. They can just be scum while also dealing with life stuff.

I also don't see how Corwin being eliminated now would be a bad thing beyond a loss of information this day phase. It is not something that is fundamentally bad to be voted out in a game of mafia.

[Bell]

CSF is it true that you're the worst scum on earth and the fact you're posting at all means you're destined to be auto-binned as town forever and ever?

[Bell]

Dw, I haven't been banned yet and I am a terrible liar but I try which apparently is the important thing.

[Bell]

Sure, I'll believe you and Pooky.
Enjoy your town bin. Please effort at some point.

[Bell]

VOTE: Dwlee99

Making the rounds. Hi.

[Bell]

I have a lot of people to make up shit on and be wrong about. This is going to be my largest work yet.

[Bell]

Those are town reads/don't want to lim reads. You can tell because I'm not in them.

[Bell]

I find it unlikely that frogster isn't themselves this game.

But I am deeply unhappy of how many posts I've made and deleted that are some form of "stop shit posting, only I can do that" I do think their granade style is still here and they haven't changed much, I'm glad they're (I hope they're) in a better place emotionally rn.

[Bell]

See invictus in which they didn't freeze much and did fine.

[Bell]

That's their most recently completed scum game I think.
I'm happy to take Luke's word on Marci tho. They haven't actually been wrong on them to my knowledge and I'm okay ignoring the weird vibes Gamma is giving off this game because why try to sort them if Marci is town.
logic'd

[Bell]

I find it unlikely that frogster isn't themselves this game.

But I am deeply unhappy of how many posts I've made and deleted that are some form of "stop shit posting, only I can do that" I do think their granade style is still here and they haven't changed much, I'm glad they're (I hope they're) in a better place emotionally rn.

That's nice! What is grenade style?

You forgot? It's pretty much where every post you make seems to be incendiary. For example, hearing someone give an SR on a player and immediately announcing that you think they're town. Creates the beginning of a conflict.
Mostly, with all the shrapnel going all over the place it's hard to tell what's real. Well, not that it isn't already hard.

See invictus in which they didn't freeze much and did fine.

Marci was scum in that?

Yes.

Stand BACK while I post my ROCK SOLID D1 case on Frogger everybody. It'll have quotes and everything

^ unironically excited for this

Johnny, if you were being sarcastic in 963, I would still appreciate it if you could point to some post numbers that gave you this feeling. It would at least give me a window into your thought process

They were being sarcastic. Making a rock solid case day 1 has been done a handful of times in the last year.

[Bell]

*Back pats T-bone*
You're wrong try again.
Also hi Taly!

[Bell]

I have been on an anti-lurker kick lately.
But mostly I just start poking everybody.

Spoiler:

It's because I don't know who the scum are

[Bell]

Though in this case, the reason I pushed Toog is because they posted in thread that they were in a PT and that this implied that they were townie when there was no such indication.
I was uncomfortable with them implying that in thread as a request for a pass.

[Bell]

They also harbored zero doubt on my alignment. Asking me to summarize the game for them over the weekend.
It was weird. But not scummy weird. Just weird.

[Bell]

I'm okay ignoring the weird vibes Gamma is giving off this game because why try to sort them if Marci is town.
logic'd

am ireally that strong townie to u?

He said that because he thinks I'm town bestie <3

Actually I just don't think You'd town clear Marci as scum with Marci.
But also, you do seem townish so far Luke.

I will note that Lukewarm did in fact interpret all of that string correctly.
I said I didn't like them because snark at wording, before obliging because I always do that.
Then rolled my eyes at the gotcha question by Luke before explaining in irritation.

[Bell]

Does Toad have a pretty tight scum game?

Don't be an amphibious traitor.

[Bell]

ok but she sounds way more stilted in pokemon dude lol

her scum game is like your scum game in terms of looking like a block of ice

*Back pats T-bone*
You're wrong try again.
Also hi Taly!

Oof bad posting.

How so? I usually let people know when they're wrong.

[Bell]

I understand that not all 25 player slots can be treated equally 48 hours into the game.

Wow, I didn't realize we were only 48 hours in. It feels like it's been a lot longer than that for me.

And yeah, Bell, I fell asleep reading last night, sorry for being human.

I'm not sure Corwin would make this post as scum.

[Bell]

They're being sarcastic and bitter. But I think it might come out differently if they felt any guilt toward their team.

[Bell]

You have a point.

[Bell]

[Townreads]:
Luke
Cephrir
Malcolm
Frogster
Rad
OTH
Mala
T-bone
CSF
Galron

[Null]:
Enchant
Klick
Roden
Nancy
Pooky
Johnny
Corwin
Bella
Dwlee
Toad
Cytosine~Guanine.

[Want to Murder]:
Dunnstral
Penguin
BBT
Taly

[Bell]

Pooky that's so much work I just did my no kill list like 12 hours ago

It takes 5 minutes or less.

[Bell]

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me, me want conversation

Who are you familiar with here? I think you could give me some perspective on quite a few people

There are a lot of players with meta on each other here.
Why are you asking Taly?
Please note, I still want Taly to answer. I'm not going to get in the way of that.

[Bell]

That's about CSF, Pooky reversed on them and feels their posting is too naturalistic to be scum this game. They are apparently *bad at mafia* and their "Plz don't get me banned Bell" made me feel a lot better about it because I always feel that way when people just town bin me for posting a lot. Even though, like, my scum game is crap because my town game is too insane to emulate.
Even though, I honestly think it's very in line for Pooky to want to defend their partners I don't think it fits with CSF and they did eventually start to try so I'm happy there.

Also, I don't know why but Taly asked what I thought about T-bone in the neighborhood.
Now, Luke an friends. I don't want you to get triggered because of shakesphere where I was like "posting in neighborhoods was bad" but I actually hold that stance as either alignment because I genuinely think it' a great place to pocket folk.

So when I say I responded to that post with:

1. T-bone doesn't like thread controllers, not sure why they're pushing at a super active player who sorts themselves. But don't see much point picking a fight for them from scum. Not sure why they didn't do anything when they got corrected by Luke, maybe they're inflexiable. Scum, but let's be real if that's true, that's just sad. So maybe the fact they haven't adapted at all is because they're just stubborn. Or something. I have no idea. I don't play with T-bone.

(inhalation)

That was quite the run on sentence wasn't it?

[Bell]

ok but she sounds way more stilted in pokemon dude lol

her scum game is like your scum game in terms of looking like a block of ice

Who is this abt?

~GE

Probably CSF?
-Guanine

This is an actual war crime of a post.

[Bell]

Are you faking your chat restriction, because if you aren't this is near unacceptable.

[Bell]

I don't even know what I gave myself credit for.

[Bell]

VOTE: Cytosine & Guanine

[Bell]

i should probably have better reads. how is this game 50 pages it feels like nothing has happened

I'm town ,I hope this helps you on your solving jouney.

[Bell]

i already know that bellissimo

What more do you need d1 ceph.

[Bell]

Would you say that JF made a town slip by not knowing how many scum there are Rad?

Scum slips rarely are scum slips I make more scum slips as town than I do as scum.

[Bell]

My read on rad is tanking.
Someone correct me but they appear too gullible now and I'm starting to think it's fake.

[Bell]

My read on rad is tanking.
Someone correct me but they appear too gullible now and I'm starting to think it's fake.

Gullible how?

You sound like "gosh, how am I going to find scum when there are so many experienced people?"
It seems like you're trying to get people to underestimate you.

[Bell]

That's not what gullible means Bell

Yeah, not what I meant. I don't know the word.

[Bell]

Okay. i like this game now. I mean i liked i already, but it's definitely improving,

[Bell]

The one thing I'm very confident about is my lack of confidence in my reads.

@CSF they have the tone right, sort of. /: but it's meh.

[Bell]

I'd say I play large themes more than any other category by quite a bit.
Less pressure and responsibility to get things right early and plenty of information to dig back t osolve the whole game if I'm unlucky enough to make it to elo.

[Bell]

Right now? Not really.
Taly hasn't posted in the PT.
There are a lot of pots I'm watching and waiting to see if they're going to boil.

I don't think Frogster is scum. I guess it's possible they just toned themselves down at the bequest of their scum team, but like.
Probably not.

[Bell]

It's one am.

I dunno why I have so many people putting me in their scum pile. I have 129 posts, I'm not a hard sort. This shouldn't be hard for them. But there I am, in the bottom half of half the player's reads.

Um. I don't think I want Cephrir to die anymore. Since they sort of jumped through my preferred hoops. though it's fairly subtle.
I do think some people need to back track a little and start taking safer reads/stances. Since a lot of times I feel like they're town binning people for poor reasons or just because they responded to them.
Then again.

I wonder if I gave Malcolm a pass too early because of what Luke said. *hmm*
Shrug*

I'm also pretty curious why nobody is voting me even though there are a bunch of people that have my really low in their reads list.
I'd say it's because I'm their scum buddy.

But like.
I'm not scum buddies with anyone because I'm not scum.

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I don't feel much from Roden.
T-bone's scope is narrow. I do think they appear consistent. But that's not really townie. They're eccentric and happily so. But it'd be nice if I saw more from them even though, I shouldn't because I kind of feel I'll just be disappointed. So why. Well, I guess because I want to sort them early so I know whether it's a drag them to the finish line thing or not. Then again it's day 1 and I can safely ignore them instead. But that's not really my style.
Penguin's focus on T-bone I'm not sure if it's because they're acquaintances or they really like them or something. Or if it's a meta thing. I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting their posts but it sort of feels like they're gradually becoming alarmed at T-bone's play, had a crisis and then decided just to chill on it. Which is a hell of an internal world to fake. But they're also just giving really plain takes. I actually don't care much for spicy takes for the sake of them, but they seem...safe to make. Which is fine I guess.

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Um. I don't think I want Cephrir to die anymore. Since they sort of jumped through my preferred hoops. though it's fairly subtle.

damn it i don't know how but you really can do it

I like this post a lot if it comes from scum Cephrir.

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I wanted Cephrir to die early this game because they copy pasting their posts from every game I've ever had with them early game.
I dropped a TR on them but I never explicitly stated I dropped the scum read there. But I just did.

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It sure is one am.

Let me try that again.

I didn't really say I was town reading Cephrir and had changed my mind, I just put him in the town pile.
I just explicitly stated I changed my mind on Cephrir and I think they're town.
I did want Cephrir to die in the early game because they were being themselves.

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I dropped a TR on them but I never explicitly stated I dropped the scum read there. But I just did.

I'm pretty sure townreading and scumreading somebody is mutually exclusive. You're saying you were doing both at the same time?

...While not really the case here. Have I never given you the speech about how I tend t make town cases and scum cases for everyone and choose which narratives makes the most sense to me?
It's usually something I do late game. But I've had a couple of people get tripped up and then keep tripping on themselves because they can't comprehend the mental gymnastics involved.

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I abandoned my PT. Don't go in there for at least 5 minutes.

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I just want it noted for the record that I am not scum partners with Klick.

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I just want it noted for the record that I am not scum partners with Klick.

Who your partners then

Don't have any.

@Klick, while I don't really think you're town. Because I don't really think someone with your level of experience uses "They seem self-aware" as an argument.
It's verifiable that I am very self-aware as town. It's a personal idiosyncrasy.

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Also, I am only up to page 20 and I saw that Toog and Luke were in neighbourhoods. Has there been any news on the other people in there with them?

I'm with toog/taly. We don't know each other's alignments.

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Who is Taly?

A miserable pile of secrets.

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It hasn't worked for me on a personal level and it hasn't worked here either.

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I just checked OP because, you know, common sense.

Umm, so neighbourhoods should probably be sorted, no? I know it's flavour based but indulge me.

Ethan infiltrates the camp of the survivors from plane crash and pretends he was one of the people on the plane. Could this be done in the form of a T/S neighbourhood?

Also, 2 neighbourhoods with T/T doesn't really make sense to me? If they're all town just make one of them a masonry or whatever?

I'm not great at game set up, but like, based on flavour I would think there is scum in the neighbourhoods somewhere. If someone is widely enough scum read from the neighbourhoods, that would be a good place to start

I am actually not against this on a voodoo level. But on my perfectionist tendencies the idea of trying to outguess the mod in a game where the story (I have wiki'd a lot of it) has a lot of people get shot, captured and beat up for being misidentified. While also having some cases I think if I recall of them being correctly identified, captured and then fooled into believing they're innocent is actually a thing.

Therefore.
*LOOP*

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It's very wifomy, but it might be fun.
But I reserve the right to complain if Taly flips town.
Because it would be bad for the town (and me) if that happened.

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It doesn't help that I would absolutely fake paranoia on my PT buddy as scum.
I did this with LLD.
But like, I did it because that's what I would have done as town anyway.

...I do get the super villian/master manipulator/plotter mistken identify award.
One time someone said I seemed like Mastina, writing in my PT about how much everyone is an idiot but me.
I was town in that game. But.

Do you see, maybe if you used a narricist lens on me it would solve for me.
But I personally think a trauma informed lens would work best.

Mostly, I'm just trying to do what I normally do as town which is:

Hunt/solve the game.
Get town read.

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Umm, so neighbourhoods should probably be sorted, no?

no

neighborhoods are a distraction just sort the players

the only thing a hood tells us is they probably aren't both scum, but even that is an assumption

It's an assumption based in probability tho.
You could put down any player and another player as scum and you'd be wrong most of the time.
In general scum rarely claim neighbors with each other, so you can tentatively add to that probability.
I've never personally been in a game where scum claimed masons/neighbors early in a game,
But I've heard stories of it happening and I would absolutely have been one of the suckers that would've gotten fooled there.

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I like this Marci.

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...That's not dumb telling Enchant because. Wait maybe it is.

1. the man in black.
2. Jacob because what the actual fuck jacob?
3. "Step Momma"
4. The others (Just the man in black).
5. The scientists aren't really evil.
6. People being shits to one another.
7. Cocaine.

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I will allow the mod to spoiler my previous post if they want to spare dwlee the trauma of being spoiled.
But also, seriously Dwlee, play the goddamn game.

8. Load bearing bosses.

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Oh, I'm sorry I forgot about your RL stuff.
Not a sarcastic post.
I literally just forgot. my bad.

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I will allow the mod to spoiler my previous post if they want to spare dwlee the trauma of being spoiled.
But also, seriously Dwlee, play the goddamn game.

8. Load bearing bosses.

I am sick and there are 50 new pages please advise

Town bin me, CSF.
Ignore all our posts.

Should cut down n *looks at number of posts*

6-8 pages.

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Son of a bitch I lost my post.

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Red flag: wanted to talk me about reads where there’s less “noise”
Yellow flag: wanted to leap frog the sorting process and collaborate. Which is great power dynamics but like.
Blue flag: I don’t really play well In neighborhoods. I shy away from them due to okapoka’s rather persuasive argument and my posts would be identical here and there unless I trusted the other player wouldn’t leak it, but I don’t have that guarantee so.

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Yellow and red flags yeah.

Blue flag is me, forgetting. It initially had “Taly is excited to be alive”
Which I like.

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I do think some people need to back track a little and start taking safer reads/stances. Since a lot of times I feel like they're town binning people for poor reasons or just because they responded to them.

This is not something I intend to do on day 1 of a large game

Always be refining
-Bell

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JF is lurking.
Kill him.

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I get the sense Johnny is a low content poster overall. Sorry Johnny.

I mean you're not wrong

The difference is that I don’t see much like a desire to solve from them either. Which is AI.

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I feel better about corwin

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Has malakittens ever claimed a role out the gate like that as scum?
You’d think at least her scum team would stop her. But I understand the concern there.
I know Luke said the roles might be divorced from alignment but can you imagine a more worthless role than a scum player that can talk with the dead?

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JF, Penguin, C&g, Taly, Roden.

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And I guess enchant but they’re just auto In there tbh. They sound alone though.
Kind of. Just a weird feeling.

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I know Luke said the roles might be divorced from alignment but can you imagine a more worthless role than a scum player that can talk with the dead?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13054811

504. Point not found.

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Nvm, found it. That’s pretty messed up on Sanae.
Well it’s not like it doesn’t make perfect sense for MALA to be the MiB but as someone mentioned, flavor/alignment.

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JF, Penguin, C&g, Taly, Roden.

This is your scum list?

Yeah. But it doesn’t feel very good. I’m dissatisfied.

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Funnily enough I thought about calling for them to be the Lim of the day, but I’ve thought that about like 6 people just based on knee jerks.
I don’t oppose it tho.

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I just noticed - 7 people scumreading Bell! how does that feel

It makes sense. Colloquial expression: I’m up in their grill trying to find if there’s scum in it, but people think I stole something or are just annoyed.

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Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

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…also my understanding of the game state is usually better as scum than town, but like.
*can’t be assed*

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The biggest AI thing pooky has done so far early game is that he has done something so far early game.

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Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

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Malcolm gets "my username is just my first and last name" points (pls don't dox us)

Mal was uneasy about Pooky townreads really early

428 looks poignant.

@Bell

what makes you think Mal dies d1 a lot?

I like the pushback on t-Bones post restriction push

I don't like Mal +1ing frogs idea to just make them use all their words

Mal townreads dweelee for a pooky vote???

@Mal

state your beef w/Pookington

1. Misrecalled, I skimmed a few games with them in it and they always seemed to be getting pressured for style/grammar. It was an oppos, but it kind of had a maybe happy ending through Luke's identification.
But it could be totally wrong. their posting hasn't been great since.

I don't think there's a case to be made for scum Penguin in the same way that there isn't a way to case someone who has never posted.
It's the Dunnstral problem.

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Scum are almost certainly not spamming intentionally because the current top 4 are all usually hyperactive and have the most posts in their respective games.

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Lower than that I dunno about those players so I can’t
Say but only John and T-bone have made meaningless shit posts. And far be it from
Me to point the finger when I live in a molten glass house.

Though I think I have shared more opinions than both of them combined. So that sucks.

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How do you tell whether Bellaphant is scum or not.
I remember a long time ago accidentally mis eliminating them for playing kind of like this.
Just sort of mild pop-ins with mild takes all game.

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Question. Has anybody played hollow knight and does anybody know how you're supposed to kill the nightmare king, because I cannot for the life of me kill this absolute bastard.

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Even youtube advice cannot help me. I knew it was a mistake to play a new category of game without like paying a billion other games of the type. But you have to start somewhere.
Rip.

Oh well.

I'm happy to kill someone soon. Who are we missing from the list of reads lists Pooky?

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Even youtube advice cannot help me. I knew it was a mistake to play a new category of game without like paying a billion other games of the type. But you have to start somewhere.
Rip.

Oh well.

I'm happy to kill someone soon. Who are we missing from the list of reads lists Pooky?

VOTE: Bell

I wanna see where this goes.

The DNA of their posts feels funny. Like my inner voice pings me.

Sure I'll be nice. Hi Mathblade. Your read is incorrect. Please try again.

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T-bone is back in my greens.

Disappointing

stop agreeing with me then.

You have Ceph in the wrong place, Bell probably too high for what he's done in this game, and there is still no best bird on this player list, Ducky ain't playing.

You are very tunneled.

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Or scum, either or.

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Why is penguin posting more when V/LA than when they weren't V/LA.

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Also, did Dunnstral drop off the face of the earth or what happened there? You can answer this Dunnstral.
Are you bored or something?

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Why is penguin posting more when V/LA than when they weren't V/LA.

do you want him to post less rofl

I want the world to make sense. Is that so much to ask, is that so much to ask?

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The numbers were the series writers' way of having fun. The idea was inspired by... (ugh) j.j. Abrhams.
Also the 42 was indeed a hitchhikers reference. *Fist pump* I don't get points fo that, everybody knos that.

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not until you notice my subsecond pagetop steal

You can't steal from me; we are of one soul.

Did you finish your lists? Has it been filled out?

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I bet that even though Dwlee is the sick one they are the most likely to post that list out of the 3 remaining.

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The pooky read's list.

Hi Titus.

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Post your reads MALA or I'mma
i'mma.

I'mma gunna have to ask you.

Do you ever claim your actual PR day one that early as scum?

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Bro

I was kidding about talking to the dead

Lmafo

I’m just unhappy I’m not Juliet

Also I have given some reads.

SO YOUR ATTITUDE CAN TAKE A HIKE OK

YOU TAKE A HIKE. I HOPE YOU ENJOY IT.

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Well now that Mala has lied about their claim I have *checks book* 5 reads(?) from them in 107 page game in which they've stated they have read over 90 pages of and no real push to speak of.

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Narrowing down my willing to vote list.

Yes there are still 12 names here, no it doesn't mean I'm actively looking to lim you yet.

I have just removed the other half of the player list from my consideration one way or another, and haven't had those aha moments for any of these players yet. I'm on the verge of removing a few more names.

Spoiler: WtV List

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Frogsterking
The toad
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
PenguinPower

Coward.

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Well now that Mala has lied about their claim I have *checks book* 5 reads(?) from them in 107 page game in which they've stated they have read over 90 pages of and no real push to speak of.

I said I was reading the thread backwards

But keep going off.

Okay, then I will! You're not doing enough! Are scum? You have to tell me if you are it's in the rules.

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I'd say this feels like MB town, but like I don't actually have a single clue how to read scum MB without a guilty. Since they sort of do this whole thing as either alignment.
I think the general best approach to them is to try to overlook the weirdness and see where their thoughts take them.

As for C&G the feeling is decidedly mutual. Is RH9 reading me? Or is it Ircher?

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Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

can you explain how you got to this townread of them?

It’s more they have had spicy reads and been open and communicative. I have played with both heads before and one of the heads (imho) tends not to effort. I kinda don’t want to share their spicy reads without permission but I don’t see scum saying some things.

You're protecting them when this entire time they could have circumvented their own restriction by sharing what they had in their PT.
Corwin also seemed to have dropped the suspicion so I'm going to assume they either disagreed with IRcher/RH's take or you're lying about their takes.

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People miss things even when they're wide awake.

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Pooky it's MB.
Wtf is my default. I respect them, but I don't think I get them, their reasoning, rules or agendas.

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Yes, I saw that.

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Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

can you explain how you got to this townread of them?

It’s more they have had spicy reads and been open and communicative. I have played with both heads before and one of the heads (imho) tends not to effort. I kinda don’t want to share their spicy reads without permission but I don’t see scum saying some things.

You're protecting them when this entire time they could have circumvented their own restriction by sharing what they had in their PT.
Corwin also seemed to have dropped the suspicion so I'm going to assume they either disagreed with IRcher/RH's take or you're lying about their takes.

?? I am sorry I don’t follow. Can you restate this?

If I lie about any takes I would just be counter claimed and C&G just says “I never said that”

Then I get turbo yeeted

I don’t lie about what C&G says even if you incorrectly think I am scum.

I've been playing with Andante lately and you wouldn't believe the stuff they say other people say when they didn't.
You're a different type of unbelievable.

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I am starting to think that I failed as town leader

UNVOTE:

You were trying to lead?
Just point out who you want to die and I'll back you unthinkingly.

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I am starting to think that I failed as town leader

UNVOTE:

You were trying to lead?
Just point out who you want to die and I'll back you unthinkingly.

I was trying to kill mathblade

Mathblade is my most apathetic read. They scum read me every game and I argue with them every game. You can step back and just let a mob kill them though. It happens about 50% of the time due to inundation.

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All you have to do is not get in their way or defend them.
and you'll need to shove Titus out of the way early, but it's manageable because of their low activity and their long history of incorrectly reading Mathblade if you want to challenge them.

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Bell the mb read was really on corwin. How did you read corwin?

Spiteful town.