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[Noraa]

NANCYYY OR FLEA!!!!!! Whoever sent that!

[Noraa]

i am back from RETIREMENT! i have no clue how my play style will be now that I don't care about this game like my life depends on it anymore, but who knows maybe im super good now >______< but also town is normally doomed in games with town me alive at endgame because im loud rip. replacements shake out differently sometimes if my predecessor did a lot or i have an op role. idk either way excited to be back ribbet!

-sent quietly xoxo

[Noraa]

sup noraa

hi pooky! :OO

[Noraa]

why the drap votes?

[Noraa]

why the drap votes?

Cause I claimed a fake result to gain an extra track without me being night killed.


Anyway I’m beginning to believe I might actually be wrong on Johnny.

I actually checked Best Bird last day, note why I said Best Bird was town for me and I checked Pooky tonight and both showed up as no visits.

Again, still don’t know if wolves have Ninja but I think these 2 are actually town.

However again I’m not entirely sure.
Like I definitely miss cleared someone.

I don’t think ML Bait votes Malcolm from all those VC’s as W/W.

uhh hm. ok. trying to process this post and my brain is just going beep beep ribbet beep beep error beep Ribbet Ribbeep BEEP. it seems like a very ~not good~ idea to guilty someone for fun so you get another track??

idk this is so antitown that im like hmm...maybe...it comes from--dare i say--town???

[Noraa]

NANCYYY OR FLEA!!!!!! Whoever sent that!

It was Nancy but you are loved equally by me and Butterfea. <3

I love Flea too! And yes ofc I love you both <333

[Noraa]

why the drap votes?

Cause I claimed a fake result to gain an extra track without me being night killed.


Anyway I’m beginning to believe I might actually be wrong on Johnny.

I actually checked Best Bird last day, note why I said Best Bird was town for me and I checked Pooky tonight and both showed up as no visits.

Again, still don’t know if wolves have Ninja but I think these 2 are actually town.

However again I’m not entirely sure.
Like I definitely miss cleared someone.

I don’t think ML Bait votes Malcolm from all those VC’s as W/W.

Why would you knowingly claim a fake guilty on town, if you’re town?

That’s totally fucked up.

~Nancyfly

It was 50/50, either way I think I’d live?
If they flip town, mafia now has to confirm the mason claims cause I’m not a viable ML.
If they flip mafia, G&C was obviously not the mafia that attacked because that’s suicidal so mafia probably think that I’m fake claiming and just claimed Tracker because I hard scum read their wolf partner and thus might decide not to kill me first.

im about to throw something i cannot read this. i need a game summary like 3 sentences on the past 3 days. my brain is screaming

[Noraa]

MONNNNNNNNNNN I SAW YOU ON THE LIST AND I WAS LIKE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSS
kookie monster been inactive so long D:

[Noraa]

Pooky who is drap's partner if drap is scum?

[Noraa]

Dude if I was going to do Option 3 it would be on someone like Pooky.

pooky is immortal. guilties cant hurt him :3 based on what gamestate looks like right now, this argument doesn't stand too well.

[Noraa]

i think drap is maybe town. like they're scummy as fuck, i completely agree this tracker whatever faking shit is a total shitshow. but also this seems like a miserable hill to die on for mafia :/
i guess im missing context from yesterday but if the DNA slot from yesterday were fairly SRed, it does seem ridiculous for scum to fake guilty them just to die today. like why not just push them along and let them die?
the opposite story is also massively bad but it makes more sense than scum making this awful move.

its bad to the point that its hard to see it as town btu i feel like the more its like that, the more likely it is town. town flailing imo looks way worse than scum flailing does most of the time. anyways i literally have no reads and just random thoughts. ribbet

[Noraa]

Anyway I’m beginning to believe I might actually be wrong on Johnny.

like does this come from scum

Like I haven’t hit correctly for so long and it’s honestly annoying.

or this

Like my tracks have to be wrong right?
Every dead player and every alive player I tracked voted Cephrir here.
Was this Pure?

or this

i feel like im going to end up proposing a horrendous solve to this game in the next twenty pages, but drap is seriously giving flailing town. IDK??!?!?? like i feel like i could find a random town game of my own, and find quotes that give the exact same energy like so fast. anyways i dont trust my reads and you shouldnt either but i want to say this anyways so i feel like im contributing a lot to the game and being a solvy and cute frog. ribbet!

[Noraa]

ngl I don't think its impossible that drapion is town and faked a guilty cuz "reasons" but we can't leave him alive atp even if he is town because LOL

why not???? if you believe he is town, why cant he live?

[Noraa]

i know in the past, i would do hella stupid things as town and town would never forgive me for it. and i remember always wishing they would so idk, i dont agree that anyone antitown needs to die and that we dont even need to try to read drap at this point because of the things he's done.

i need to homework for a bit. back in a few

[Noraa]

because I can't rely on him to play to town win condition.

if he's town, it means he decided to fake a guilty track on someone town and got them mislimmed and that's not playing to town win condition.

I actually got a wolf out of it though.

Trust me Pooky, Butterflies is a wolf, I haven’t been wrong this game but I have made questionable actions this game but I still find it reasonable.

No you didn’t, you faked a guilty on town and are trying to drive a miselim another one. Pooky knows that this 100% my towngame here, so you can fucking get reckt.

barely staying sane with all these random names being thrown around but ngl im worried pooky isnt town??????? i've always had the expectation that pooky solves the whole game day 1 as town but idk like current gamestate and pooky town? ugh i just keep feeling like scum pooky could easily fool everyone and town pooky would've solved the game by now. i dont know i litearlly dont trust anyone here RIP.

[Noraa]

Butterflies showed TMI on Me and C&G.

i dont see the tmi

[Noraa]

Real talk, I don't think Drapion is scum here. They fake claimed a result after C&G was already on their way out the door, it wasn't necessary. And I'm confident they just self-hammer to end the day ASAP and cut off info/discussions.

ew roden agrees with me!! /jk hi

[Noraa]

I understand so why is Drap voting you then?

He claimed he was going to track you but no explanation, just a vote.

^^^^^^
Like this is wolf with TMI.

Right Here.

?

[Noraa]

Just read over that exact day.
Read it with knowledge of me and C&G being town and then read it while pretending are alignments aren't known.
You will realize Butterflies posted that as if they knew me and C&G were TvT and I was legit tracked and so butterflies was confused why I claimed red.

i don't see the TvT tmi

[Noraa]

im struggling to figure out what scum's optimal positioning around drap wagon is rn. gah i forgot how replacements sucked

[Noraa]

I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

how does scum get "forced to give green checks"? i disagree with all reasons to keep drap except "i think drap is town" reasons.

[Noraa]

Also hi nornor. You has town vibes <3 i approve

FLEAAAAAA we vibing vibing vibing ribbet. idk what im doing honestly but if someone else wants to solve the game for me, they are very welcome to and i will gladly accept the solve and pretend it's mine. i feel so behind on the game that i just dont even want to process it lmao.

the moment i start thinking about reading people, my brain is just like fuck this everyone is scum. the game ends. bye. it reminds me of when my humanities class had the trolley problem discussion and someone was like "the moment you throw real world logic at this, everything just falls apart; I mean you normally dont think of a trolley as a stealth vehicle.." thats my brain right now. the moment i think about this game, my brain falls apart. im like so sorry i was the replacement lmao. someone scumread me or something maybe i'll be really cute and reactive.

[Noraa]

But I think Drap is town and Luke agrees and I trust Luke therefore I am right and Drap should not die *sparkle*

[Noraa]

I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

He already lied about DNA, so totally don’t know why you think he’s suddenly going to tell the truth?

I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

how does scum get "forced to give green checks"? i disagree with all reasons to keep drap except "i think drap is town" reasons.

If he's the last wolf alive then obviously every person he tracks is town
if he's town then obviously everyone he tracks is clear

do you like understand how tracks work? i dont mean that offensively but this makes no sense.

[Noraa]

this game is such a meme i shouldve just gone full troll and started faking guilties on people lol

you haven't done anything to help. do something to make it not a meme :/

[Noraa]

I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

He already lied about DNA, so totally don’t know why you think he’s suddenly going to tell the truth?

I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

how does scum get "forced to give green checks"? i disagree with all reasons to keep drap except "i think drap is town" reasons.

If he's the last wolf alive then obviously every person he tracks is town
if he's town then obviously everyone he tracks is clear

do you like understand how tracks work? i dont mean that offensively but this makes no sense.

Sigh. If there is only one scum left then Drap would clear anyone who didn’t visit on a night there was a kill. Scum!Drap would have to clear just like town!Drap otherwise we would flip on a faked guilty.

EXCEPT Drap already faked a guilty so the whole point is moot.

Fucking hammer.

"if he's the last wolf alive then obviously every person he tracks is town" does not help anyone and makes no sense. like yes any action scum does to someone else is going to be an action on town if there is only one scum left?
"if he's town then obviously everyone he tracks is clear" barely stands because that's not the case right now unless some bastard element flipped a scum as town.

also why are you angry with me for not hammering? like theres plenty of other people who could hammer. i already told you i think drap is town; you could ask any of the other 4 or whatever people who aren't on wagon.

[Noraa]

What even is the case for Drap and Johnny scum???

[Noraa]

Hi gamma!

[Noraa]

What even is the case for Drap and Johnny scum???

They both have acted like they’ve been doubting each other but with minimal tangible proof of such
Drapion gave the most token “I could be wrong on Johnny” comment possible, and Johnny said some shit about not wanting to vote Drapion but feeling obliged to despite not actually voting there

~GE

how is anyone supposed to give more than minimal tangible proof when they dont talk?

[Noraa]

if he's town and faked a guilty in a world where there's only 1 wolf alive then its 100% game throwing no room for any fancy play there

ok i finally understand this. what a weird way for something to hit. if he throws in elo and gives a fake clear or guilty, we'd actually be fucked.

[Noraa]

thats the argument that makes keeping him not worth it even if he is potentially a cop in elo. because if he's a cop in elo and lies to us, we lose. and because he lied, we can't trust him anymore because he isn't playing to wincon.

my mind go boom. crazy stuff. i dont think i've ever thought about this that way before.

[Noraa]

with the guarantee that at least one dumbass will defend him

well thats not very nice....
sadribbet

[Noraa]

What even is the case for Drap and Johnny scum???

They both have acted like they’ve been doubting each other but with minimal tangible proof of such
Drapion gave the most token “I could be wrong on Johnny” comment possible, and Johnny said some shit about not wanting to vote Drapion but feeling obliged to despite not actually voting there

~GE

how is anyone supposed to give more than minimal tangible proof when they dont talk?

?

~GE

mon is literally always busy. ofc theres not much "tangible proof"

[Noraa]

drap is a different story but drap is a strange player so its not easy to read into it anyways

[Noraa]

Hm
I wonder; did any one slot specifically benefit from Drapion’s fake guilty?
I’ve been thinking about how his gambit could have been better if only 1 scum was alive and then it came to me that maybe Drap decided to make a saving throw for his scum partner. If he’d done a play like that as last scum alive it could have been the game-losing misplay, so it could have been that he had to do it before his last partner got sunk.

~GE

uhhh well. but if draps partner was dying, drap has to carry to a win. now drap dies and the partner who is supposedly in a worse position is like not any better off?

[Noraa]

thats the argument that makes keeping him not worth it even if he is potentially a cop in elo. because if he's a cop in elo and lies to us, we lose. and because he lied, we can't trust him anymore because he isn't playing to wincon.

my mind go boom. crazy stuff. i dont think i've ever thought about this that way before.

I think you’re overthinking and underthinking simultaneously.
You realize if Drap game throws like that, it’s game-losing, right? Like, the damage is fucking done. Why are you willing to play with fire like this? It doesn’t matter that we can’t trust him after he lies in ELo. ELo stands for Eliminate (scum) or LOSE. So a mistake at that point, there’s NO SECOND CHANCES!

~GE

but thats what im saying D:

[Noraa]

drap is a different story but drap is a strange player so its not easy to read into it anyways

wut? What authority are you speaking with to say Drap is a strange player?

~GE

I mean anyone who makes that play is a strange player. if DNA was already out the door, as town or scum drap, that was strange play.

[Noraa]

Having strange play doesn't justify voting.
My vote is justified by the fact that drap is a danger to town in elo. I will vote but I want to wait around since theres no point in rushing to hammer. if we get more content now, maybe we can end this game faster.

[Noraa]

with the guarantee that at least one dumbass will defend him

well thats not very nice....
sadribbet

I think we still got two mislunch before elo
lets say that drap is scum then
Butterflies doesn't sound like their partner based on today
BestBird doesn't sound like it based on previous interactions
It can't be me or the masons
It also can't be pooky cause it's fked up if scum have tracker and cop and none for town.

so left with oth/johnny/taly
I think many people would agree that this contains at least 1 wolf even in a world where drap is town

who are taly and oth and where am i?

[Noraa]

i replaced yeet. also im talking to you right now but ok i see what you mean. off the hook. oth

[Noraa]

oh i am taly.
anyways that post from gamma makes zero sense idk what ur on.

[Noraa]

i replaced yeet. also im talking to you right now but ok i see what you mean. off the hook. oth

Butterflies mentioned Taly (your original slot owner) multiple times and you decide to respond to THAT.
Lol.


Yeah pretty sure this and butterflies is a wolf.

sorry a cute frog isnt allowed to be cute. your cryptic ass posts about random things from yesterday made it impossible to catch up with the game and figure out that taly was my predecessor from ten replacements ago.

[Noraa]

I pushed Math the hardest Day 1, I was the only one actually pushing Bella and had to track them to bell for you all to open your eyes and then I try and stop Mala AND Rad but you guys ML BOTH before I could convince you to vote Malcolm AND CSF had to do that for you.

we heard you the first time

[Noraa]

Please take my word all.
When I die, it’s Butterflies and Nora.

dw im taking notes. i'll definitely be taking your word. rest in peace VOTE: Drap

[Noraa]

heck that was such a cute hammer!!

[Noraa]

amenribbet

[Noraa]

who the fuck didnt fast night

[Noraa]

sigh, alright. i was bored but now im busy and have a bio test and the game decides to open. like .... rude!!!!!!!

[Noraa]

ok tbh i dont want to study. fuck bio. someone talk to me about something interesting. i want to procrastinate

[Noraa]

sounds about right. wearing black clothes in summer can be super miserable

[Noraa]

i hate that. why did you tell me that ;[

[Noraa]

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

[Noraa]

Have you even backread though?
you can't argue about not townreading anyone the day before elo when you haven't backread.

easy for you to say when you don't have 500 whole ass pages that you haven't read. i wont gain anything from reading like ten pages. if i want to get something out of that, i need context and thats like at least 50 pages. hell no

[Noraa]

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

Then you’re incapable of reading me. I repeat I don’t ever have a near fucking meltdown over Taly gladiate as scum and even Luke did a 180 on his sr of me after that anc Bell also hard tr me after that.

Do I also need to requote Pooky who locktowned me? He sussed me in White Flag but here, he has as lockclear. Think about that if you seriously want to solve this game.

i didnt read whatever gladiate thing happened and i think your scum game and town game are very similar or at least i cant tell the different. i cant read you and i dont like trying to read you because you get upset with me regardless of alignment unless i say you're town. i dont want to upset you but i also cant just give you a town pass when i see no reason to townread you! im sorry i cant read you but i dont see a reason you have to be town here and im not willing to read the meltdown because i will probably tr you after that but my read has zero value because i would think that regardless of your alignment because im weak to ate. what am i supposed to do???? like i cant just magically spawn a cabd brain overnight i literally dont know what you want from me. like could you be town? yeah? would i be able to tell either way? no.......

[Noraa]

taly slot can die for all i care. nothing seems memorable when i think about that slot.

???????????????????????? i have been spamming the roof off and there's nothing memorable? what are you on

[Noraa]

im fine with the current poe, ive been sus of johnny for awhile and i think itsnonly strengthened.

taly slot can die for all i care. nothing seems memorable when i think about that slot.

i know im town, if im the chosen elimination so be it.
what worries me is who was miscleared if its only one of the ppl in miselim baits poe..? is it butterflies or miselim bait..? i feel miselim bait would be the one but i wanna see what theyve been cleared for since i clearly missed that.

so you think the scum team is johnny and me? dont talk about my predecessors i dont care about them nor can i defend anything they said because i didnt say it. i repped in 500 hundred pages in and shit about taly does not resonate. talk about me. why is NORAA scum?

[Noraa]

were scum that comfortable with rodens reads..?

does roden even have reads? all i remember was him defending drap.

[Noraa]

wasnt the noraa hammer pretty weird though ://

it seemed like noraa was defending drapion but then they just switched up and hammered??

maybe im just overthinking things

the day was never going to end on a different elimination. i mean yeah, i thought drap was town but he couldn't live to elo. plus my hammer was the cutest so it doesn't really matter.

[Noraa]

Gonna be reading over some stuff but I think we just kill Johnny today, Pooky's death kinda heavily incriminates him

But like, let's not rush the vote this time

does it? i really want johnny to be town honestly, to the point that its not even logical. but like i think any kill could be framed as "oh that incriminates johnny"
like has anyone here townread the dude for the past five days? litearlly anyone could die and you could find a post calling johnny scum
like could he be scum? yeah, but this isnt the reason.

[Noraa]

thats very different

[Noraa]

But Noraa, if you have time, please reread the gladiate. It seriously looked like your slot was getting whacked and I was totally demoralized over it. In our discord, Titus told me that she’d rather vote a tr > a no lim and I told her that I would lose complete motivation for playing in that case and would probably just prodge for the remainder of the game, which I would have because I was that strongly opposed to voting you and are you seriously going to suggest I was trying to pocket Yeet? I’ve been consistently hard tr your slot since the getgo and OtH as well. It’s all in my ISO.

Titus? Also I don't know what yeet did, but assuming they weren't a really big presence. Either way, there's more reasons to giving a town read than pocketing. If you looked so good and towny from it like you claim, wouldn't that be reason enough to do it at all? im psyching myself out about this now but i dont think me reading that is going to help. i really dont see why you town reading me and being upset over a gladiate are reason you are town. like you do this to me every game and it makes me extremely paranoid of you because i dont see the logic behind your posts and im trying my best to not be like nancy is scum for this because i know you do this as town too. if you are town, i doubt im going to have an easy time coming around to that but this is not helping and only making me extremely fucking paranoid.

[Noraa]

For the most part, enough people have been town reading him and been against voting him out for the last five days.

not the impression i got from yesterday

[Noraa]

i feel like i saw drap-johnny as the scum team pairing a couple times at least.

[Noraa]

And if Johnny is town...why doesn't scum just leave Pooky alive to lead another mis-elim on town!Johnny? Taking Pooky into ELO after that + all of the paranoia building in the background around him would've made him the ideal scapegoat.

idk i cant answer that but i dont really think pooky dying = johnny scum. pookys reads have been largely wrong -> why would town continue to trust him. if this were a typical pooky town game, game would've ended a while ago. or the majority of the people wouldn't be voting with pooky which is why the game hasnt ended.

[Noraa]

Noraa, in White Flag you claimed to trust Pooky’s read on me. Why not here?

if pooky were playing his typical game, his reads wouldn't have been this bad. i started scumreading him yesterday idr if I posted about it because of his reads and apathetic behavior. even if he was town, i dont trust his reads.

[Noraa]

also to be clear because im like extremely tired right now and probably not speaking coherently, im not saying that i think johnny is town. im questioning the confidence behind an argument that doesnt make sense to me for johnny scum. pooky flip =/= johnny scum.
can johnny be scum? yes, but not for this reason.

[Noraa]

i would prefer this day lasts a little longer but if that hurts momentum and interest in the game, absolutely not worth letting the game die. i just woke up from like a two hour nap and need to do other stuff. probably here tomorrow. i dont think the reasons to vote johnny are good but if he flips scum, yay i guess? if he doesn't, ughh atp.

[Noraa]

god i already know this is gonna be one of those games where i get behind and never get caught up again. ugh. something that just hit me in the face was a johnny-butterflies team. i fucking dont know at this point. everything is making me paranoid. hell you could probably convince me that the game is so bastard a mason is scum right now.

like butterflies backing off johnny is so weird to me. my brain just keeps screaming oh my fucking god butterflies thought johnny was doomed and wanted cred but now that johnny wagon isnt going flash, butterflies wants to keep him. but then every time im like ugh johnny might be town and if i think too hard im like no gamestate means he's probably scum so them im like huh maybe butterflies feels this way too. but then my brain goes back to the first argument and its like i solved the game! and then im like wait but what if ....? nancy can you just not reply to this for a bit btw? i need to let this float around for a bit

[Noraa]

my brain right now: flipflopflpfopflipfopfipflipflopslfoppfloopp

[Noraa]

god i already know this is gonna be one of those games where i get behind and never get caught up again. ugh. something that just hit me in the face was a johnny-butterflies team. i fucking dont know at this point. everything is making me paranoid. hell you could probably convince me that the game is so bastard a mason is scum right now.

like butterflies backing off johnny is so weird to me. my brain just keeps screaming oh my fucking god butterflies thought johnny was doomed and wanted cred but now that johnny wagon isnt going flash, butterflies wants to keep him. but then every time im like ugh johnny might be town and if i think too hard im like no gamestate means he's probably scum so them im like huh maybe butterflies feels this way too. but then my brain goes back to the first argument and its like i solved the game! and then im like wait but what if ....? nancy can you just not reply to this for a bit btw? i need to let this float around for a bit

Why is it weird Noraa? I don’t know what Johnny’s going to flip. Are you convinced he’s scum here because I’m not and if he’s town, then we get two town and two scum tomorrow and Idk if scum’s wincon is parity or killing all the townies but in any case, we absolutely can’t afford to rush this vote - which is what you claimed to have wanted.

I’m saying I’m not confident Johnny’s scum anymore and you should realize that scum!me wouldn’t gaf about that. Like it’s almost like you want to sr me no matter what I do here.

I’m not confident on Johnny’s alignment, so I think it would be seriously fucking stupid to rush this vote.

Also, Johnny supposedly kills Pooky why? to avoid getting run up? But Pooky died and Johhny still got put up to e-1, so if Johnny!scum actually killed Pooky, how did it help him?

Also, Johhny made me question an assumption I had that scum was obviously going to bus Johnny but I realized from my scumgames that I would only bus if my buddy was dead in the water scum, so I think that it’s suboptimal for scum to bus here if Johnny is in fact scum. It’s entirely possible that I’m also wrong but I have enough doubt to think that I could very possibly be right and as idiotic as Drap’s read on me was, he was right on Rad and yeah, I think it’s possible that Johhny could possibly be a miselim here.

my point was if you were scum with johnny, you wouldn't want him dead. i never said rush this vote

i literally auhhh you're listing the reasons i think you're scum as reasons that you are town. i really cant explain how much your posts make my scumdar go off. im trying so damn hard to just think like ok what would town nancy do? probably the same thing; ok then this isnt ai but i literally i just cant. like
scum wants to bus johnny. yes, thats why your extremely confident push on johnny that opened this day looks weird now that you've retracted it since no one has hammered.
i mention keeping the thread open a bit longer and you immediately unvote. i just dont feel like you would unvote as town. i dont feel like you would backtrack as town. his recent posts shouldn't result in a backtrack from one of your tunnels. I don't think I've ever seen you backtrack a tunnel before as town. The fact that this came right after i said hey guys slow down makes me feel like I gave you a reason to back track. And then the fact that you're not offering reads and basically just asking people to give suggestions for a new elimination just make my scumdar jump up and down and scream.

sigh. and then after writing all this, im like fuck if im scumreading nancy this much nancy is town right. i hate it here.

[Noraa]

I dont have thoughts on Hook or BB which is strange since i normally SR gamma and marcistar. could just be that ive been preoccupied with butterflies. idk about bb since idk if they're an alt or what.

[Noraa]

why does everyone think im a she? best bird is a hydra???? also yeah lukewarm is ass at reading me.

[Noraa]

I dont have thoughts on Hook or BB which is strange since i normally SR gamma and marcistar. could just be that ive been preoccupied with butterflies. idk about bb since idk if they're an alt or what.

Well. it would really help me if you did because I think you’re town and that’s another thing I’m liking about Johnny because I trust Roden the most obviously followed by you and MB and Johnny seems to be mindmelding with me on that.

so you think the scum team is bb/hook? you used to hard townread hook. i hope you understand why im finding your 360s suspicious as hell

[Noraa]

my brain right now: flipflopflpfopflipfopfipflipflopslfoppfloopp

Nornor tldr me where your reads at?

-Butterflea

I think that the scum team is somewhere around bb/hook/johnny speaking WITHOUT paranoia right now gun to my head. if both scum is in that pool, i think i'd want to take johnny out. mm idk tbh because thinking more on that, i might take bb out. hmm i could also take hook out.
i think judging off how i feel about each slot, i'd probably take johnny out.
judging off partner vibes, im not sure yet

hook doesn't townread me, i dont think? and i dont scumread them. which is a bit strange given both slots' past with me. idk if i've ever played with marci on my main, but i remember my last alt game with her, we crossed tunneled each other to death. gamma normally townreads me while i scumread the heck out of them. now that i've said this, it probably doesn't apply anymore, but meta wise the slot is null scum.

johnny i feel like he could probably do this as scum or town. i feel like scum johnny and town johnny both know this is how to look towny. you know like be chill about it, dont blow up, accept that you should die, etc. but also from past experience with him, i know town him is very chill about things even when shit is blowing up and i've tunneled him for being this way before so ugh.

and then bb being penguin doesnt really help. i cant remember anything about playing with penguin but i feel like i just havent seen the slot around much so im pretty null there.

[Noraa]

i actually dont see the tmi in actually, any of those posts. like malcolm assuming johnny is town makes sense if he thinks johnny is town, no?

[Noraa]

i actually dont see the tmi in actually, any of those posts. like malcolm assuming johnny is town makes sense if he thinks johnny is town, no?

I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying but it's TMI because of the way he approaches the read and thinks 'he's town'.
Johnny is like an lhf and Malcolm was banking on that fact to continously ask town what's his scum motive for defending johnny here. It's weird if Johnny is his scum partner as that would just directly implicate him if johnny flips and would lead town to make a connection between the two of them.

im not following. i know you're not trying to say that johnny and malcolm are scum, but thats what im coming out of your post thinking you're saying. this seems like a lot of wifom. i dont see the tmi because if you think someone is town, you will talk like you are certain they are town even though that doesn't logically make sense.

[Noraa]

i actually dont see the tmi in actually, any of those posts. like malcolm assuming johnny is town makes sense if he thinks johnny is town, no?

I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying but it's TMI because of the way he approaches the read and thinks 'he's town'.
Johnny is like an lhf and Malcolm was banking on that fact to continously ask town what's his scum motive for defending johnny here. It's weird if Johnny is his scum partner as that would just directly implicate him if johnny flips and would lead town to make a connection between the two of them.

im not following. i know you're not trying to say that johnny and malcolm are scum, but thats what im coming out of your post thinking you're saying. this seems like a lot of wifom. i dont see the tmi because if you think someone is town, you will talk like you are certain they are town even though that doesn't logically make sense.

Okay. I'm curious how you catch people with TMI
If you think that it's natural that scum would talk certain about their townreads regardless of alignment.

uh well i think tmi is like when scum says a read out of nowhere. like if scum was always like omg X is scum. all of the sudden they say "if i was scum, why wouldn't i just push X; thats an easy mislim right?"
something like that.

[Noraa]

the whole butterfly bb dynamic is just :/
like i really just dont agree with anything and then anything that i do agree with im like O_o o_O
i think i would say they probably aren't scum together but i currently think that bb-nancy is more likely than johnny-nancy because that interaction was kind of funky. bb calls johnny-nancy scum which is exactly what i said like i swear two pages ago. and its so out of nowhere that im like :// it gives me the exact same feeling as nancys 360 on johnny. but it could also be that it really is nancy-johnny and bb just sees it too. im not sure but i think bb looks scummier than nancy right now, so that makes nancy-bb more likely than johnny-nancy probably.
i need roden input on nancy's alignment. im just mmm i really believe she could pull this off as scum. like i feel like my paranoia is being brushed away and it's making me even more paranoid. i feel like i could loop in circles about my read on nancy for like days.

[Noraa]

flea not being here is sad but also flea posting probably wouldnt really be able to help me read the slot. sigh.

[Noraa]

she was getting scum read the entire game

this right here.

[Noraa]

luke came back and said that noraa is also a possible partner with how ze setup both you and me as potential partners to johnny.

his plan would be johnny>noraa>you

he agreed with me that you backing of johnny was weird.

johnny should go first though.

i called nancy out for the 180 on johnny. you think i am scum with johnny. scum that decided to create pairings of scum, all with my scum partner instead of taking nancy's 180 and running with it.
you agree with best bird about 360 on johnny weird? you agree with ME. *I* said that first. Best bird was silent for DAYS after i posted that.

[Noraa]

yeah im talking directly to luke

[Noraa]

i have to go to work. i'll be back in uh 8 hours ish or maybe not at all until tomorrow after work. anyways if yall end the day, i'll catch up overnight. if not, i'll catch up during the day. toodles

[Noraa]

I think I've fully turned around on Bird by this point

I don't think best bird is more likely town for being all "ok kill me, get me out of here"

[Noraa]

Let me reword that. Luke's reads hold weight to me, due to being flipped town and being generally pretty good at this game.

luke literally doesnt have a single brain cell that is able to townread me present in his head.

[Noraa]

Also I don't think discrediting Luke is the way to go here?

If you trust luke so much, why dont you trust him when he said i give up on reading noraa; i always scumread them.

[Noraa]

I think the best elim right now is best bird>johnny>oth.
this is in terms of threat level. i dont think we have issues eliminating scum johnny or scum oth in elo. in fact, i think im more worried about mislimming them potentially if town, so we definitely dont have the issue of not elimming them if scum. the way oth is getting heat for what i see as not being active and best bird isnt because he was all defeatist and angry for no reason makes me also think best bird has a higher likelihood of not being town here since the gamestate is almost always going to favor scum because scum is trying to seem towny whereas town doesnt try to seem towny.
i think the best course of action today is to eliminate best bird. ask luke to leave a final reads list and we'll consider it true if best bird flips town and not consider it if he doesnt. luke is definitely posting because that stuff he said about me is a literal copy of what he's always said about me, so if best bird is actually town, a final reads list with reasons from luke is very important. but i think the risk of scum best bird running away with a win is much higher than scum johnny or oth doing the same thing especially if he has luke content to just copy paste.
consider two situations:
1) we eliminate oth and oth flips town. consider scum best birds chances in elo.
2) we eliminate best bird and best bird flips town. consider scum oths chances in elo.
i dont think those are even vaguely close and the same applies to johnny.

[Noraa]

If only one of Johnny or OTH are scum, then Nora can still be scum despite not being in Pooky's PoE

you're literally maneuvering a whole puzzle to fit me into a scum team. "lukewarm said noraa is scum and since pooky said oth/johnny, if only one is scum, noraa could still be scum!!"

its really annoying that you are like an ic here and not giving us any new content to work with. like do you not have reads outside of what luke and pooky have said? im sorry that's kind of mean but like, are you reading my posts and actually thinking about them? are you interacting with me and actively trying to read me? or are you just ready to die and want to hand things off? like i feel like i understand where you are coming from, but its frustrating to be on the receiving end. i feel like i am trying to solve this game and you're just throwing around some random thing luke said. it feels like you've done zero of the research yourself and are blind trusting luke.

luke has scumread me literally every single game he's been in with me. does that say shit about my alignment? why are you blind trusting dead town? just because they're town? like your argument has no content and is based off of "luke scumreads you and luke is town" like that argument does not hold up to any logic test. that is an invalid argument. if both premises can be true and the conclusion false, the argument is invalid. ok well thats the dry cut logic and doesn't always apply in mafia. but here, it certainly does.

[Noraa]

i feel like when im an ic im always useless to town in every way possible and have the shittiest reads ever. and then scum keep me around and i just want to die. but man the receiving end sucks.

[Noraa]

anyways i need to go to work. i'll finish catching up after work.

[Noraa]

johnny 2nd and oth 3rd?

you think oth has more win equity than johnny?

[Noraa]

i dont want to read this back and forth tbh but that was hammer wasnt it? i dont think this was the correct play but i hope dearly that this flips scum.

[Noraa]

if oth flips town, i think one of johnny/bb and someone else is scum.

[Noraa]

last thoughts hmm. i dont really like that hammer ugh but i do feel like scum nancy probably doesnt lolhammer like that. it'd be a weird move unless oth is scum. but i suppose if oth is scum, it would be an even weirder move; like why not just uh hammer either of the other two mislims in that world?

[Noraa]

oh i thought it was three to lim. rip. ok never mind.

[Noraa]

i specifically looked at the vc to see how many people were on the wagon idk where the 3 came from. and then i thought mod was gonna close the thread @_@

[Noraa]

why has butterflies just complete dropped out of your scum reads here?

many reasons.
number 1 butterflies isnt a plausible wagon today in general
2 im operating on a butterflies town assumption for now.

[Noraa]

its not really ever changed. i've been thinking about the game as two worlds. one is that butterflies is town and the other is that butterflies is scum.

[Noraa]

but there's more to it than just that.

where's the more

[Noraa]

i called nancy out for the 180 on johnny. you think i am scum with johnny. scum that decided to create pairings of scum, all with my scum partner instead of taking nancy's 180 and running with it.

To paraphrase Luke - yes.

He posted Friday night that 14966 where you say you think that bb-nancy is more likely than johnny-nancy looks like you are actively in the middle of pivoting away from Johnny, either to Nancy or to me.

Spoiler: which coincidentally you later did here

I think the best elim right now is best bird>johnny>oth.
this is in terms of threat level. i dont think we have issues eliminating scum johnny or scum oth in elo. in fact, i think im more worried about mislimming them potentially if town, so we definitely dont have the issue of not elimming them if scum. the way oth is getting heat for what i see as not being active and best bird isnt because he was all defeatist and angry for no reason makes me also think best bird has a higher likelihood of not being town here since the gamestate is almost always going to favor scum because scum is trying to seem towny whereas town doesnt try to seem towny.
i think the best course of action today is to eliminate best bird. ask luke to leave a final reads list and we'll consider it true if best bird flips town and not consider it if he doesnt. luke is definitely posting because that stuff he said about me is a literal copy of what he's always said about me, so if best bird is actually town, a final reads list with reasons from luke is very important. but i think the risk of scum best bird running away with a win is much higher than scum johnny or oth doing the same thing especially if he has luke content to just copy paste.
consider two situations:
1) we eliminate oth and oth flips town. consider scum best birds chances in elo.
2) we eliminate best bird and best bird flips town. consider scum oths chances in elo.
i dont think those are even vaguely close and the same applies to johnny.

This is while you are also saying that it could also be that it really is nancy-johnny which makes it clear that Nancy has scum equity with Johnny in case he gets flipped today so that you can then lean into the "Nancy as a partner" theory.

actually i want to flip you today so are you nancy's partner?

[Noraa]

Maybe you’re onto something here BB? Noraa is being very concerningly hedgey on me. Like she won’t come out and straight up call me town and town!Noraa isn’t usually this hedgey.

:/ ok. like no i will not come out and call you town. yeah, you're right. i won't because you might be scum. defending my slot in a gladiate is your argument for why you're town and i dont buy that.
im considering you town for the rest of today, but that's grace.

[Noraa]

its not really ever changed. i've been thinking about the game as two worlds. one is that butterflies is town and the other is that butterflies is scum.

Like with this post. How does she not have a clear read on me yet? Like why would scum!me go to bat for someone who’s tunnelling me?

Scum you will do anything to get townread. it doesn't matter how ridiculous it sounds in theory. if it gets you townreads, you'll do it. why would going to bat for someone who tunnels you get you townreads? exactly because of this argument.

[Noraa]

And Noraa really only came around on me after Roden said I was town. Had he not done that, ze probably would still be pushing me.

I've never come around on you but I've accepted that there's no way anyone is considering you scum today. if you are scum, now is a pointless time to push you. all it will do is make people think you are town and screw town wincon over. i solved dragon ball day 1. did that help? no i kept telling people who was scum, and everyone dismissed it and it became normal to dismiss me and townread my scumreads. and guess who was shocked when they started flipping scum on like day 5? town. there is no way you are considered before most of the people here. if you are scum, now is too early to push you because there is no support for your wagon. if i catch you now and push you, a failed wagon will make your wagon harder to push in the future.

[Noraa]

i think bb>johnny>oth still for today.

[Noraa]

when luke townreads me, i'll consider doing that

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.

i actually hate that seeing this post makes me think you might be town what the actual fuck. anyhow, you're gonna have to deal with it and realize me being town and me scumreading you are not mutually exclusive.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.

really prefer johnny first tbh

Noraa is being off the charts scummy with those recent set of posts. Ze’s extremely lucky I’ve tolerated it for as long as I have. Had Taly never replaced out, decent chance scum wins. It’s mainly because they misted me so hard, I’ve ignored everything about Noraa’s posting that skeeved me out and now ze just looks like ze’s flailing. Ze’s scumposting so hard, now. Like ze’s just obvious scum here.

I feel like I could say that I've been tolerating you more easily than you could say that about me. Like the moment I say anything about you potentially being scum, you scream at me about how you're super disappointed I can't read you after so many games and tale's gladiate. I have been throwing paranoia at you less and less because your reactions haven't helped me sort shit.

like right now I am flailing. i dont know if i am confident i wont be an elo mislim anymore. i am not confident who is town pushing me and who is not. i want to be townread but then feel like my posts are all edited and sound scummy as hell. like no shit im flailing.

[Noraa]

I've been trying to play like how scum me plays in terms of agreeing with people and trying to get townreads. its not fun for me to die day 1 every towngame. see my last game before i retired. i tried to replicate my scum meta and got tunneled by everyone who has played with me before.

[Noraa]

I know that sounds stupid but when I literally die day 1 in like 60% of my town games, its not stupid.

[Noraa]

and?

[Noraa]

where is the evidence? who cares what pooky said one time? pooky could easily change his mind. and pooky's reads dont matter as far as im concerned bc if pooky was having a good game, this game wouldnt still be going.

how is it obvious you cant be aligned with anyone?

like your entire argument for why you're town is that you are town. like if i need to post a couple posts like that, i will. it doesn't make sense to me that you expect me to townread you off of posts where you just call yourself town and provide zero evidence or like good reasons. like what am i supposed to townread from the content of your posts? im more bothered by the fact that you expect me to townread you than anything else. like why should i? and im just scum for not town reading you at the end of the day. because "this is not how town noraa talks to me"

[Noraa]

like if i post a post saying i am town because who could i be aligned with? how could i be scum with anyone? i am playing as blatant town.
i would not get townread for it and i dont expect to either. your expectations are unreasonable.

[Noraa]

and?

that you're trying to replicate your scum!meta because of d1 whatever is nonsense.

is it? the moment i let myself go, i blow up and get locktowned. is that really what i want to be doing here? no. it really isnt.

[Noraa]

you're intentionally playing scummy

not what i said but ok

[Noraa]

Noraa, I know I’m town and I already explained why I don’t want to touch OtH. MB seems townie and Roden is IC. I was initially confused at Roden’s argument about Johnny being a bus but that doesn’t make sense and you’re the only one who seems to want to push BB. Your progression on me just isn’t believable, And you suddenly backtrack because I vote you?

You have been majorly hedging on me. Waffling and even flip flopping can come from town but hedging rarely does. You have very obviously been positioning me as scum with literally ANYONE. You really think I’m that blind?

i didnt say anything about touching oth as far as i remember. i know roden is an ic. hell your progression on me isnt believable.

i said you and bb and you and johnny. thats TWO pairings.

[Noraa]

Im calling you out for the way you call everyone who calls you scum scum. if thats hedging, sure.

[Noraa]

Noraa, I know I’m town and I already explained why I don’t want to touch OtH. MB seems townie and Roden is IC. I was initially confused at Roden’s argument about Johnny being a bus but that doesn’t make sense and you’re the only one who seems to want to push BB. Your progression on me just isn’t believable, And you suddenly backtrack because I vote you?

You have been majorly hedging on me. Waffling and even flip flopping can come from town but hedging rarely does. You have very obviously been positioning me as scum with literally ANYONE. You really think I’m that blind?

i didnt say anything about touching oth as far as i remember. i know roden is an ic. hell your progression on me isnt believable.

i said you and bb and you and johnny. thats TWO pairings.

So you want towncred for skipping OtH and MB?

you claimed that i said you could be scum with anyone which is a lie.

[Noraa]

if i rememebr correctly, i've always died early in all of pooky's games to death tunnels. chromavalon i also died really early.
my towngame has become good? in what way? my win rate? or my reads? or my survival rate? 1 have neither a good win rate, good reads, or survival rate on average in town games. where are you getting this from?

i sr you because you keep telling me i have to TR you for no reason.

[Noraa]

no i lied. chromavalon i was alive at endgame. i tunneled dunn day 1 and exploded the thread which always gets me townread :/

[Noraa]

Im calling you out for the way you call everyone who calls you scum scum. if thats hedging, sure.

Town!you doesn’t obsessively focus on me and me alone and that’s what you did and pretty much continue to do, which could actually be town indicative if you we’re putting even the slightest effort into genuinely trying to solve me which you’re clearly not doing.

If you contrast that with BB’s progression on me, yours is just simply unbelievable. You also have two confitowns tr me and you also continue to ignore that as well and well of course there was also Pooky who said I was never scum here. You are just pushing me for the sake of pushing me. I can tell the difference between someone wrongly sr me and a nonsensical tunnel. I don’t read it any longer as town motivated.

obsessively focusing is not scum or town indicative. and how do you even measure effort solving? i could put a lot of effort into solving you and you could say that.

who cares that conftown trs you? lukewarm is conftown and his read on me is wrong. like your entire argument is that conftown tr you and you didnt let taly get gladiated and are playing entirely to your town meta. why should i townread you

[Noraa]

if i rememebr correctly, i've always died early in all of pooky's games to death tunnels. chromavalon i also died really early.
my towngame has become good? in what way? my win rate? or my reads? or my survival rate? 1 have neither a good win rate, good reads, or survival rate on average in town games. where are you getting this from?

i sr you because you keep telling me i have to TR you for no reason.

No Noraa, I and others have given you a fuckton of reasons. Like none of this is convincing me I’m wrong here.

frankly i dont care what you think about my alignment at this point. i just think your arguments make zero sense.

[Noraa]

i blew up the thread with a tunnel. that is not my town meta anymore. i dont want to rely on blowing up to be townread and i dont care what happens in this game. that will not happen here.

[Noraa]

Noraa, I’m not going to waste my time here. You are clearly redusing to engage with any of my arguments. This isn’t working and if you don’t care, then I don’t either.

your arguments have no content. i've replied to every single one.

[Noraa]

i blew up the thread with a tunnel. that is not my town meta anymore. i dont want to rely on blowing up to be townread and i dont care what happens in this game. that will not happen here.

That’s not why you were obvtown in that. Your entire play - every single goddamned post you made - practically screamed town!Noraa.

thats what you and pooky and everyone always tells me and its not true. the moment i dont blow up, no one who claims they can read me can read me. thats the facts and how it was and is. im not blowing up again. hopefully you learn something about my town meta from this game.

[Noraa]

If you are town and want to win this game, either elim me today and hit scum after or learn to read me without me being obvtown. if what you're waiting for is for me to become obvtown, that will never happen.

[Noraa]

bb should die before johnny and oth because bb is a bigger threat to town. bb can run away with a win in elo but johnny and oth cannot.

[Noraa]

it doesnt matter why he's scum, we have 3 eliminations assuming we dont hit two town in a row and just lose here. all we need to do is find 1 town within {oth, johnny, bb, noraa} and we win.

[Noraa]

i mean if oth isnt scum, bb is.

[Noraa]

i dont think i can reply to you in good faith right now.

[Noraa]

back from work. will catch up later.

[Noraa]

VOTE: mislim bait
Johnny I can see being town, especially after his Noraa read which doesn’t exactly match mine in terms of logic but feels similarly motivated; MLB’s unrelenting push on us feels pre-planned. I see zero considerations from him on things.

~GE.

This is like out of nowhere ... why is mlb scum?

[Noraa]

it doesnt matter why he's scum, we have 3 eliminations assuming we dont hit two town in a row and just lose here. all we need to do is find 1 town within {oth, johnny, bb, noraa} and we win.

You say that him being scum doesn't matter but the only way we make sure we don't hit two towns in a row is to lim people who's more likely scum over someone who's only dangerous as scum.

I don't get the idea why bb is more dangerous anyway

so you think that we should leave deep scum over scum who we definitely catch? that doesn't really make sense

[Noraa]

Fuckin bonkers. Kill me first, then at least you'll know you're wrong and have a clear Noraa

aughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. johnny are you town here? are you really town here aghhh

[Noraa]

how about a gladiate between bird and oth?

[Noraa]

And I don’t see how Noraa has been obvious town here in the slightest, so I find Johhny hard te zir extremely preplexing.

johnny thinks im town for the gladiate and whatever else happened around it. what obvtown read are you talking about??

[Noraa]

I think bb and oth are better lims than johnny. johnny has no reason sticking his neck out for me here as scum. if johnny is scum, getting me out here is a bargain and more because johnny will just need one more mislim and thats game.

[Noraa]

Sorry we wotc'ed you Teeby

[Noraa]

wotc

Wizards of the coast? Wall of the... Christmas? Went on the choir?

wisdom of the crowd!!

[Noraa]

nahhh not guillo

[Noraa]

no way.