LOST: Kissing Siblings?

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Bellll!

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Omg I didn't preview post and outed us

Will a snoopy gif help?

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i understand trust from predecessor is low but empty PTs are uninformative

i want to know about your take with

T-Bone's

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1. I'm an omguser at heart. Sure they were dunked on as incorrect by Luke and they are incorrect, but they aren't changing their mind based on their most recent post.
2. I don't really understand why they're attacking one of the most active players in the game who can be read correctly eventually anyway. Mostly it just looks like they're uninterested in meta.
3. I think it makes sense for them to dislike people who are invested in thread control. They're attributing manipulation to my actions but the spoiler there is that I'm about as manipulative as scum as a wet rag. I don't manipulate. I just try to fit whatever they think makes people town.
4. In this case I'm just going from player to player pushing them. Sadly everybody I push is having RL stuff going on. So Dwlee flunked out for me and I won't push there yet.

Enchant seems okay so far, but god knows I can't read that one, but I don't want that one to die.

I think it's interesting, that Pooky asked for a mass read's list which the scum team will obviously use so if they don't do something with it I'm going to start attacking them.

I see two contrasting motives with

Pooky

calling for reads.
Can't read

Enchant

well either. What's difficult for you?

What do you think

T-Bone

sees as town and would you see value in emulating that?

Pretty much, I can't tell which players dislike me and which ones are scum.

oh

I'd say "but what if they just logically think you're scum"
Well, they're wrong so their logic is incorrect at a fundamental level.

oh

...Why aren't you asking me to post this in the thread instead?

cause me want to pick your brain without having to filter out 20+ players, also because i feel it makes actual use of this PT?

i promise doll, your desire to taste this toucan blood does nothing to discourage me im on that BEAK HIGH.

*stare*

*DROPS ASS LOW AND STARTS TWERKING*

*accidentally farts*

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me spiritually, crumb of my alignment bb

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vague threat of popularity? delicious way to let the tension burn into our souls before both of our bloods be spilled before the end of this wretched fuckfest

-umbra

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taly doesnt like to play devour, he enjoys townreading and "seeing where the wind takes him"

some of us are a bit, different in form.

~umbra

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on that disconcerting note, i dont get good vibes from

BBT

but i need to review how that wagon formed because i inherently distrust the 1v1 gamestate, specifically because both wagons have remained at a relatively high volume for over 2 days?

time is an illusion

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Good day, Bell.

This is Sol. Yes, some of us are also interested in this game. We each may have differing opinions or approaches, as a heads-up.

I find that you're unsure of how to approach this slot, and yet don't want to pursue? Why is that?

Sol

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ooooh i see

give me some thoughts to jump off with the reads i sent

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is silence preferable?

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im just figuring out how best to approach, i get the impression that theres scrutiny whether or not i give thoughts and gathering something coherent and "content-full" in <3 days D1 with a 26p seems unrealistic.

i might just start pulling teeth and going "lol antagonism" and seeing if thats more effective in getting me out of the "townhunting is the only thing that works here" strategy.

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like, with everything considered i dont think you're acting in poor faith, cant speak as confidently with several slots

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This game is going way too fast for me x_x Sorry Bell

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Ok yeah Dunn townread got deleted over that mason baiting.

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i am hard struggling

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Luke's pivot feels opportunistic but that may be misread given gamestate

I'd like to hear what inspired your vote, Bell

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I'm struggling to find time to

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im sorry

bell

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regardless of how this goes, no hard feelings

<3

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also happy scumday lmao

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im exhausted i just wnat to meeeeeeeeme

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holy shit

oth/tbone/luke/pooky/rad

all flipped on

ceph

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Bell

, who do you think I'm getting snowed by? tbh i feel like several of my defenders could be pocketing me in some manner.

i ask mainly because

tbone

suggested

drap/pooky/nancy

and i want a perception check

i also want to hear you talk about

OTH's

push on you being scum in lieu of defending me.

its also odd that

math

spent time trying to find

rce's

justification for the

ceph

vote but quickly pivoted back onto me the moment

luke

gave reasoning to vote me.

im really not feeling the

tbone

masterminding

ceph's

choices like

pooky

is implying? ill have to read back onto that

i still strongly believe

nancy/titus

are town, do you disagree?

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im still very confident with

ceph

scum, i dont see the justification for town that people have outlined so far. even if this gladiate was not targeted to protect a scumbuddy in danger, it felt weird that

ceph

kept this supicion on my slot for majority of the dayphase without ever pushing it

and in fact pushed

johnny

instead but pivoted back onto me.

it feels disingenuous, especially in light of

ceph

taking fault of my post 1580 which was a reply to

johnny

.

i still feel like

johnny's

got +1 townpings but they have lacked presence in this thread so far.

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im feeling slightly calmed with

Luke

? like i dont think hes a buddy to

ceph

in any reality because of how much he's willing to ride the fence and find a lim.

in a vacuum, that perspective can be scum-indicative but i think scum likely has a preferred gladiate elimination, especially in the reality of

ceph

!scum

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i have reservations about your alignment but since you've given interest in getting my opinions, i want to work together.

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hey

bell

sorry for not getting to this ASAP, my mental health dipped today and im on VLA for several IRL reasons.

i read

ceph's

townflip ill have to rethink my whole solve, i feel bad and disappointed that my presence this game has been a far cry from productive for town.

can you compile any questions you got so when i get to this tomorrow, i can share input on any and everything?

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this plist needs some more love

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holy shit

oth/tbone/luke/pooky/rad

all flipped on

ceph

OTH didn't really flip on them though. They didn't really have a position to begin with, Neither did Rad. They were already No votes.

i didnt anticipate several people shifting votes, i was very confident that i was dying.

do you think any of the

ceph

votes could be to incriminate my slot further?

i should review the pages leading up to

ceph's

gladiate again

Bell

, who do you think I'm getting snowed by? tbh i feel like several of my defenders could be pocketing me in some manner.

i ask mainly because

tbone

suggested

drap/pooky/nancy

and i want a perception check

i also want to hear you talk about

OTH's

push on you being scum in lieu of defending me.

its also odd that

math

spent time trying to find

rce's

justification for the

ceph

vote but quickly pivoted back onto me the moment

luke

gave reasoning to vote me.

im really not feeling the

tbone

masterminding

ceph's

choices like

pooky

is implying? ill have to read back onto that

i still strongly believe

nancy/titus

are town, do you disagree?

2. The only thing I felt is mildly insulted when GE pushed at me, so I decided largely to ignore it. It's clear I don't really like being suspected and have little interest in jumping a particular player's hoops. I didn't dig because in general when I dig into GE it takes time that I don't have the patience for right now.

It felt odd to opportunistic to me because

Gamma's

push came at a time where I was likely to be eliminated regardless of his stance on my slot.

And at a time where we can shade your slot with little resistance because the thread was forced not to acknowledge it in depth.

Gamma

has seen me as several alignments before, so I don't think it's unlikely that their hydra is a scum-slot that sided with me to gain cred on my likely elimination.

I also believe

Math

and

RCE

fall into this category to some extent but for different reasons. But I doubt all 3 in this pool

{Math/OTH/RCE}

are scum. I'll digress about

Math/RCE

tomorrow, they had a very extensive back-and-forth that effectively lead nowhere, and when both of them had stated they were

"voting

Taly

"

or had actually done so... they both switched off little provocation.

I don't think S/S is impossible within

Math/RCE

.

3. From a post to post angle I can't see scum T-bone, their posts are relatively relatable and they aren't always aiming for understanding/writing for an audience. However from a larger perspective I can see it in their mild reach outs and shifts in angles in their approaches to me. They pushed at first before becoming relatively benign. Pooky isn't wrong that they never did hard push anyone and while there's some evidence of solving there isn't much like unguarded posts from them either. I'm not sure if they're afraid of criticism or just waiting for something to come to them or they're afraid of taking a stance as scum and just want to appear somewhat harmless and funny. I find the arguments for MB and Frog more compelling. I can't help but think Pooky is wrong on one of them, but I don't know.

I also didn't understand

Pooky's

vitriol towards

Tbone

. I honestly think

Tbone's

expression of apathy to the hideous gamestate was reasonable and I couldn't attach any specific agenda to it.

4.I don't. I think Nancy is town because their personality traits have been consistent with how they seem to play. They're vulnerable to buddying. Flattery and they take sides they shouldn't be taking. But that's a conversation for never. I've been frustrated and then calmed myself down a lot with them this game and just let them spam insistently about their position without antagonizing them for arguing.

Out of everyone that sided to me

Dancing Puppets

is the slot I'm least concerned about. But what are stances that you don't think

Nancy

should've taken thus far?

im still very confident with

ceph

scum, i dont see the justification for town that people have outlined so far. even if this gladiate was not targeted to protect a scumbuddy in danger, it felt weird that

ceph

kept this supicion on my slot for majority of the dayphase without ever pushing it

and in fact pushed

johnny

instead but pivoted back onto me.

it feels disingenuous, especially in light of

ceph

taking fault of my post 1580 which was a reply to

johnny

.

i still feel like

johnny's

got +1 townpings but they have lacked presence in this thread so far.

1. Ceph tends to be pretty mild D1 if they can get away with it as either alignment really. I think their shadowing and trajectories make a general sort of sense.
2. Johnny doesn't make sense to me some of his posts seem purposely sarcastic because it doesn't make sense for them to make those posts unless they were making fun of someone. They've also been hard active lurking without contributing they have a significant number of page tops, they've followed the whole game and done almost nothing with it.

I noticed the active lurking with

Johnny

and it's a reason why I'm much less confident upon

Ceph's

townflip. But I doubt all the scum jumped to my rescue

(re: OTH/Math/RCE pool)

, so I'm going to ISO group these slots if I have time soon.

At the very least, they have my eye. There's various slots I suspect in this playerlist and for varying degrees at the moment. Considering the trajectory from being a null/secondary scumread to being a consistent top wagon through half of D1, it's not unlikely that I have been pocketed.

im feeling slightly calmed with

Luke

? like i dont think hes a buddy to

ceph

in any reality because of how much he's willing to ride the fence and find a lim.

in a vacuum, that perspective can be scum-indicative but i think scum likely has a preferred gladiate elimination, especially in the reality of

ceph

!scum

i have reservations about your alignment but since you've given interest in getting my opinions, i want to work together.

I am interested in other people's views.

mind saying who?

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fuck health my mind is racing about this game again hahahahueuehawaaa

*cries*

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No, I mean, it's a general policy for me to ask for people's death reaads I usually half-listen to them.

tbh idk, i just remember

ceph

saying they identified with my frustration at the idea that i utilize AtE as a playstyle because emotional manipulation isnt my thing

in retrospect that that post had no agenda, it further sours the realization that i was wrong about him X_X

I think Pooky didn't like T-bone making light and having insuffcient analysis for the game state along with in general not making hard pushes and in some cases, just being dishonest in their statements, for example their regret that they didn't push harder, but there wasn't much like any push to T-bone.

I do deal almost exclusively with raging Pooky scum though. I'm a little surprised he didn't call me out for not instantly scum reading them for their outburst.

ive been wrongfully tunneled and mislimmed D1 being on the other side of

pooky's

ire before... but he was town.

have you only seen

pooky

like this as scum? its an unfortunate playstyle approach but im still wondering if thats scum-indicative.

the regret not to push on

tbone

harder does feel a bit out-of-nowhere given that

tbone

was hardly the subject for an elimination prior to the gladiate.

im trying not to doubt every single person i originally townread though D:

T-bone is to Pooky what Johnny Farrar is to me.
In terms of "players that are here intentionally avoiding taking stances, asking innocuous questions and largely doing nothing with them"

so you think i was pocketed by

johnny

early D1?

Is one possible explanation anyway. my automatic unthinking reaction is raging Pooky = Pooky scum.
But to be honest, it only really makes sense if you're scum with them.

what's the likelihood that

pooky/tbone

were just S/S theatre? i doubt it especially off individual reads but i want to rule out S/S, T/S or T/T between those two specifically.

they seemed to ignore my posts about

ceph's

recent voting in-thread as the rage fight from

pooky

happened, is why the thought crossed my mind.

I'm not sure how voting Cephrir would incriminate you more given people were largely fed up and there were some critically dead slots that weren't voting.

i dont think the suspicion on me is going to die pretty much. people can look at my wagon and say that

taly

was one of the longest D1 wagons that was never resolved.

there's few games where ive seen dynamics like that go unresolved, and especially less so where scum try to chain another mislim out of it.

even though

ceph/I

were TvT, it was very much not a clear-cut take on who would survive the later discussion went on yesterday. especially around the time

OTH/tbone/pooky

voted.

pedit

I don't think Nancy's stances are unusual for them. <br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Titus's Roden vote post mason claim appears genuinely anti-town

yeah i dont get what was up with that.

honestly, it amazes me that

dunn/klick slot/luke

didnt get as much pushback on the desire for outing both masons.

i always believe that it's the optimal play to believe mason claims D1 regardless of previous input from the slot.

outside of that, and as someone who has hydra'd with

titus

before, i think her leaning on

nancy

is a good sign for town.

titus

trusts her partner as town even with dissonance.

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hey

bell

sorry for not getting to this ASAP, my mental health dipped today and im on VLA for several IRL reasons.

i read

ceph's

townflip ill have to rethink my whole solve, i feel bad and disappointed that my presence this game has been a far cry from productive for town.

can you compile any questions you got so when i get to this tomorrow, i can share input on any and everything?

Would you apologize like this if you were scum?

ooof my quote save didn't go through

consider my reply to 75 the answer to your question here.

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I find it pretty common for Gamma to dive tackle random people when there are wagons happening but not really engage much with the wagon itself.
It could be Shade tho. You've probably played with them more than me, but I find what Gamma did here relatively in line with them. This doesn't make them town. It just means they're in character.

ill pull their teeth, like i plan to with several more people.

I've seen hydra partners with Nancy lean on them significantly as scum too tho.

hmmm,

nancy

certainly isnt afraid to bloat the thread as scum. but the thought alone isnt strong enough to give me doubt.

I've been linked one game where Pooky had a Meltdown as town before. It honestly seemed fairly similar.

dont bother if its inconvenient but a link would be helpful

I agree that the suspicion on you won't die if you don't go out there and do what you're doing in here. Grass is always greener etc.

When Johnny said you were obvtown after a fairly benign post, I pretty much did a triple take and have been weighing whether it was sarcastic, meant to piss off the crowded that was triggered by Nancy calling you obvtown with the thinnest of rationales and an unwillingness to repeat them. Whether it was a snipe at Nancy because they is agreed, they were informed and just creating ambiguity for later if you flipped town or scum etc.

hmmm...

johnny

was the quickest player to give me a pass and the least vocal in my defense.

yeah good to note.

I was fairly frustrated so I stopped myself from writing multiple variations of are you kidding me? But I should have investigated their post and forced them to answer.

what was most frustrating about it?

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Taly must sleep. She will be around tomorrow.

And for reference, Taly's pronouns are he/him/she/her.

He has had fun messaging you tonight, Bell. Please get your due rest.

Sol

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Super inconvenient I'd have to go find the game and then go find the post where it was linked.
I meant similar to their scum melt downs. I still reserve the right to try to spot the difference between their scum and town melt downs.

I lean town on this one, but it's not as strong as I would like.

I'll leave that to you, my PoE is still larger than there are scum in this game, but pretty different from D1's PoE.

{Math/RCE/OTH/Tbone (eh)/BBT/Frogs/Johnny}

with honestly a few more I want to press.

I mean, it was situation in which my preferred elim got derailed as a minority exerted thread control through spam, AtE and "Taly is obv town" and largely argued for a sub optimal outcome of a no lim in an ambiguous situation
Like, Nancy didn't even know if you aTe'd as scum but felt confident enough to advocate for you making every page a battle for control of the narrative. They campaigned for you and ignored unwritten rules of general discourse.
That can be frustrating.

its a gripe i often see with

nancy

independent of her alignment, it isnt constructive to gamesolving. im going to toy around and see if she keeps up with the same rhetoric and vibe, my hope is that town!

nancy

fleshes out her POV better.

I don't really think Mathblade is genuine when they hesitated to reveal that scum might role block Dunn/Frog and kill the other. It's too simple for them. They can come up with some very convoluted hypotheses about games, roles, and player behaviors esp as town.
This isn't that.

you think that was a red herring or a prophecy?

its very much a scumping to me to lay out a specific scum plan and be afraid of it, it reeks of

"you're thinking of that plan"

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was there any discussion of a roleblocker prior to

math's

statement of it EoD1?

mech isnt my strong suit so i dont know if its feasible to assume a scum!RB is at play or not.

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Elaborate on the difference in scale?

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i can see the lack of complexity being one of two things
1. they're sick and

Taly V Ceph

all occurred within 36 hrs which was a wild trip, so they're tired and weren't thinking optimally, which is understandable imo.
2. they're informed and know something else in play that makes what 2+2=4 mean to us, be like 2+(2*0)=2

1 is NAI and likelier a town interpretation.
2 is more likely scum-indicative, town-PR possible, but based on play, i lean the former of the two assessments. but i havent ruled 1 out, and i dont think rolefishing is pro-town here.

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slightly off-topic
is it confbias or tunneling to say i havent lost confidence with

frogs

-scum in light of my

ceph!scum

theory falling apart?

i just feel like their entire D1 progression was opportunistic, they pounced on whatever player remotely seemed like a vote that could get strong wagon traction.

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what are players you definitively townread?

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its stressful because i spent majority of D1 just trying to search for town and yeah, i stilll hold majority of my townreads or at least felt that my reasoning was good for them.

but with the gladiate

Taly V Ceph

TvT dividing the whole playerlist, it becomes more difficult to assess who was interacting with me from an uninformed perspective.

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Probably CSF, Dwlee, Roden. Luke.
Nancy just below.
pooky below that. Currently. But I tend to change on a dime with that one.
Klick far below that but still in town read land. Sort of.

I think it would be worthwhile to try to sort PD. Right now I lean town based on approach but it’s hard to sort the hyper competitive ones.

this is a pretty decent mindmeld.

CSF

i felt was most reasonable in their push and i actually liked some counterpoints they brought up, i also do like

luke

as well and i believe the masons.

nancy/pooky

are slightly lower, only because i can see the devil's advocate argument to my townread.

everyone else outside my PoE is weak town.

I don’t think it’s weird at all to scum read frog here.
I didn’t read your case for ceph scum.

me tired

bascially i thought they were protecting scumbuddy within

mala/frog/johnny/dunn

It’s actually a lot easier for you to interpret the game state there because you know you’re town.

ehhhhhhhh lot of noise can rattle me. too egoistic to see much else when im the center of discussion.

im a hit or miss like that.

any disagreements with my PoE?

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Math

is in my solve?

one of the stronger scumreads i have alongside

frogs

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ehhh probably a larger PoE is good but im probably shitfighting with half of the plist anyway

and this town seems volatile, its unusual for me to complete a D1 in a large without any solidified townbloc.

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yo 2022-

taly

is tired AF and just came here to twerk on people's faces like



my BEAK is still sharp and big as fuck

but i am r u s t y

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Charming.

Sol

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What's your favorite ice cream flavor like?

For me it's a toss up between red velvet and birthday cake

Hehe I eat ice cream

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Let's have our own honey moon and find out

I love coffee lol. But I put a lot of creamer in mine.

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I didn't really follow the reasons behind that slot being scum or suspicious, or really remember who pushed them.

I've consistently liked their posts or at least found nothing suspicious. Especially when

Rad

disapproved of how destructive the dialogue during the gladiate was becoming. In my experience, it's more likely town to convey grievances with environment because I've seen scum players exploit confrontation as a strategy.

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Actually I'd add

Rad

to my townpool.

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ah

the townread i least mindmelded with you on is

roden

, but largely because i havent paid them a lot of attention. what was your reasoning?

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why do i forget the most important shit

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the response to those opening questions vary imo, ill get to it tonight

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me back

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