Large Normal 240: Baileyposting [game over]

[geraintm]

So, I signed up for the next normal game because I didn't want a month wait like last time, and this is largerthan I am used to. And a load more going on. I'm hoping, like, 5 people die tonight so I can keep some track of what is going on.
Also the set-up is weirder than I am used to

And this is what, game 240? Gonna discount the zero

[geraintm]

My early TRs are:

Andante

Vivax

Enchant

Crescent

Order is meaningless.

Rest is kinda ???,

geraintm

's post 88 kinda gave me a bad vibe, but I'm not giving out a scumread over one post only.

My hello post without even a vote gives you a bad vibe?
Holy mackerel this is going to be a long game

[geraintm]

I can’t type.

VOTE: lowell

[geraintm]

Also, on a Gera note, pay attention to how Gera holds up over time. The entrance is weak, but also kinda whatever. Gera as scum in a game of 13 basically could not hold up for an entire game. By the time we were in day 3, he had regressed to near-total uselessness.

It was hard in that game when 2 other town were useless too.
But you are right, I think I am obvious scum

[geraintm]

VOTE: fred

[geraintm]

The counterpoint is if Fred is scum it likely means Prince (who voted him), Owen (who he made an awful vote/shade on), and Andante (who he triggered) are all likely town. Owen and Andante would have a natural reason to join in based on the actions Fred has already committed. Andante is mad he exists, and Owen could easily be town who was scumpinged by such a bad argument. The reasoning that scum must be shading Fred is forced and the reasons for voting Andante are weak.

im voting fred, do i not get a read too?

[geraintm]

VOTE: Fred

Idk i voted Andante jokengly

Naught points for you, this vote seems bad, and thr next one too.

Ps: just come down with covid so will do my best to keep posting but feel shut

[geraintm]

Fred why won't you vote for Meg?

I would vote for MegAzumarill if I have an idea of why MegAzumarill is being voted and I consider the reason warranted to vote MegAzumarill.

This feels either very cool town or very coop scum

[geraintm]

too much information

This feels just about the right level of information

[geraintm]

too much information

Fred's ISO kinda just makes me want to punch him, but that just appears to be his thing. "Neat."

I'd like to hear some reasoning behind why people are townreading Enchant, because I feel like they've gotten a few random casual town reads and this ISO is almost void of actual content.

Malcolm's new stuff is just post #321.. Which just leads me right into Gera's ISO.

I find it confusing that he votes for absolutely no reason, and later calls attention to the fact that he voted for no given reason... Then shades Enchant for doing the same thing with essentially no justification, but remains on Fred anyway for.. No justification. I want him to walk me through his thought process here.

I had a reason

[geraintm]

Ger tends not to do much on D1 as a general rule. Vote on Fred could be read as opportunistic and there's not much in their limited ISO so far but it's feasible from town Ger.

this feels like TMI

VOTE: Malcolm

like, ok so what gerain usually doesn't do much? you used too many words to go "gerain probably town" like, you're trying to justify a TR there, but it's actually a really bad take, cause I have a great example of scum!gerain doing nothing day 1. but going "that's feasible from town Ger" like what?? Gerain should be no where near being called town right now. I'm not saying they have to be a SR, but like, there's nothing in this game so far to push gerain into TR territory

agree with this. no one should be scum or town read day 1, and certainly not me

[geraintm]

Three wsy tie for longest wagon, can't have that

u vote

[geraintm]

Picking over half the game to have scum is top quality content.

[geraintm]

Picking over half the game to have scum is top quality content.

This comment is garbage, I don't know if you're maliciously misrepresenting me or you're just wrong.

I named 7 people, there are 4 scum, that's pretty damn narrow.

Oh, I didn't realise you meant all the scum were in that group.
I still think posts like that day 1 are worthless, you.csn turn around later and go "look, they were in my list, wasn't I clever".

Day 1 reads are worthless

[geraintm]

UNVOTE:

Picking over half the game to have scum is top quality content.

This comment is garbage, I don't know if you're maliciously misrepresenting me or you're just wrong.

I named 7 people, there are 4 scum, that's pretty damn narrow.

I had meant to UNVOTE: previously

[geraintm]

Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.

Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.

[geraintm]

Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.

Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.

The hypocrisy of this post almost choked me through the computer screen

oh, i do vote plenty after day 1, you must have noticed that last game?
sure i was scum and the votes all went towards me winning the game, but i did vote!

[geraintm]

For the love of all that is holy I can we not no-elim on day 1

Yes!
Let's do this!
Brewster's Millions style!

[geraintm]

VOTE: Prince

Prince ducked conveniently away from fred wagon to save his buddy. I will oblige and vote him instead.

Do u really think this? this post reads like a joke

Yep, naughty points for Lowell. No one was at all close.to get voted off, no one needed saving

[geraintm]

Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.

Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.

Oh and speaking of Gera.. What would even the point of lying about this? Enough people know where I came from, and almost no game there ever requires a majority. I specifically had no vote down on days 2 and 3 of that game for the purposes of course correction if necessary. People are often votehappy and early hammers are a thing. People on day 2 in that game randomly decided to form a mini wagon on someone very late in the day when we had 99% likely scum sitting there. My vote was on said scum with a "no thank you" less than a minute later. They did the same thing on day 3 with suddenly wagoning the wrong option late and I shut that down too.

But that ultimately doesn't really work as a playstyle when we actually need a full 9 votes to kill someone. Sudden late counterwagons to a guy on 6-7 aren't really going to be much of a thing in this format.

Thr is this true was more a way if expressing surprise than doubting your honesty.

I am.sure you are always hinest in this game, right?

[geraintm]

Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)


Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell

This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.

geraintm

is the scummiest of these four.

Pooky

is just being himself to be fair.

I wonder why people.are.oicking me as scum.day 1s nowadays? But to call me newb scum is weird. And to say I am thr scummiest person in the game? Is anyone actually voting me to back up that claim? I wish people would so I remember who was trying to get me eliminated later

[geraintm]

Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)


Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell

This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.

geraintm

is the scummiest of these four.

Pooky

is just being himself to be fair.

I wonder why people.are.oicking me as scum.day 1s nowadays? But to call me newb scum is weird. And to say I am thr scummiest person in the game? Is anyone actually voting me to back up that claim? I wish people would so I remember who was trying to get me eliminated later

I said you were the scummiest of these four, not in the game.

sorry yes you are correct. i t slipped my mind that the person who made the grouping of 4 scumand the person ranking them were not the same person.

[geraintm]

More details in the scum PT.

huh?

[geraintm]

I am giving you a chance to change my mind and convince me to go with you, it's up to you if you want it or not.

Naughty point for you

[geraintm]

I am giving you a chance to change my mind and convince me to go with you, it's up to you if you want it or not.

Naughty point for you

Would it be better for town if I tunnelled my main scumread until death/endgame (whichever came first) and stubbornly claimed this is the only way forward?

No, but asking for permission to vote someone from another rpkayer to me always seems bad.
I don't like it

VOTE: meg

[geraintm]

I am giving you a chance to change my mind and convince me to go with you, it's up to you if you want it or not.

Naughty point for you

Would it be better for town if I tunnelled my main scumread until death/endgame (whichever came first) and stubbornly claimed this is the only way forward?

No, but asking for permission to vote someone from another rpkayer to me always seems bad.
I don't like it

VOTE: meg

I’m not planning on voting for

UNOwen

, nor planning on getting permission to vote him. I do want to work with

Vivax

though, because he’s one of my strongest townreads at the moment.

Are you reading my posts carefully? Or do you just read a few sentences and then make an assumption of what I was doing and form opinions based on that? Because you’re consistently drifting away from everything I say. I don’t remember you being that clumsy in Mini Normal 2267.

not carefulyl no, i just spotted that bit where you asked someone for their reasons for voting someone so you could join their wagon, rather than coming up with your own reasons.

[geraintm]

Who is this Vivax and what have you done with the old one?

[geraintm]

VOTE: bugspray

Come along, let's pressure this player into giving some opinions.

VOTE: BUGSPRAY

OBVSCUM DIE

VOTE: Bugspray

Disclaimer: Not a scumread, but killing not_mafia or people who could be them is always fun.

did bugspray claim maf? what did I miss?

This quick wagon sure seems interesting. Gonna note it for later

[geraintm]

There is definitely scum in {

Lowell

,

Prince of Paterson

,

MegAzumarill

,

geraintm

,

FancyPants

}. Perhaps even more than half of them are scum.

I think this is your second list now scum and me being thr only overlap and yet you aren't voting me....

[geraintm]

There is definitely scum in {

Lowell

,

Prince of Paterson

,

MegAzumarill

,

geraintm

,

FancyPants

}. Perhaps even more than half of them are scum.

I think this is your second list now scum and me being thr only overlap and yet you aren't voting me....

That's another misrepresentation. Both you and

Meg

overlap. I am going to have to assume that you keep misrepresenting me on purpose. This is anti-town behavior that cannot just be explained by clumsiness anymore.

I am not, however, going to turn my full attention to you now when

Meg

is at E-2. This could be a ploy to divide the

Meg

wagon and save them from dying today.

Maybe if

geraintm

is scum, then so is

MegAzumarill

and 117 was faked as a response to a likely true concern (which both a town and scum player could have). Admittedly though, this could also be scum

Meg

trying to pocket

geraintm

.

Meg

is playing differently to what I remember, both as scum and town too.

This is a mental note to myself to come back to sort these two later in the game.

Ah, this is my mistake. I wasthinkkng of your post 486 when you said I was the scummiest of the 4 (which didn't have Meg as one of the four) but it technically was not your list.

I was just aware you had picked me as possible scum recently, previously commented as me being the scummiest in a previous list and yet weren't voting me

It isn't a misrep, more we were thinking of a different moment

[geraintm]

I will say though there's a decent likelihood that Bugspray is town if Meg is scum because this counterwagon feels kinda weak and is on arguably the easiest target in the game.

i woul like to say i am very interested in resolving these slots at some point because of the above reasons, feel we get a ton of info on people if we flip meg and they are scum. bugspray and those who so quickly pushed their wagon

[geraintm]

Oh and in response to this: Meg has no posts in 15 hours,

you still havent got over that other people can have lives that are different to yours, have you?
disappearing for 15 whole hours does mean zilch

(other points still can stand)

[geraintm]

UNVOTE:
not going to let MEg die without some final words

[geraintm]

Happy to vote Meg here given the arguments being presented.

VOTE: Meg

did you hammer after i explicitly unvoted to give them time to claim?
naughty point for you.

[geraintm]

This is great! I absolutely take back 743 though, as it's entirely possible that

geraintm

was trying to derail the wagon.

nope.
they had said they would claim if they got close, and i wanted to enable them to claim. just lucky we hit scum, if that had been a green shot i would have been utterly furious with Malcolm for the hammer.

[geraintm]

hey just gonna hard claim odd night gunsmith rn and say that i investigated lowell and they do not have a gun

foir the crumb you can see i was immediately trying to challenge someone to a duel and the weapons i offered were all very odd guns

anyhow we yeet freddy
VOTE: frederich with the fucking one avatar of a history looking dude

Im making the assumption that this claim is true, and putting bugspray in my strong town pile and Lowell in likely town

i think scum were3 freaking out in private when the wagon flashed from two at 4 to suddenly azu as the only wagon. one of the at 4 wagons was certainly scum and then suddenly they have to deal with a new wagon ons cum??? just absurd!

i don't understand this though

Yay I’m harmless! Everyone hug me!

Confirmed Scum Doctor in game.
Check useless.

not useless, just not a clear. dont be bad mouthing Lowell like that

VOTE: prince

Looks even better after the flip

dont get this

VOTE: MalcolmTucker the premature hammer is probably last minute bus. MT showed no signs of sussing Meg before that and the excuse is weak. I dont see town MT going for that if theres a risk Meg is green.

i can get going after malcolm though

No, I'm not going after

MalcolmTucker

, especially that

Unsure

jumped on that wagon so easily.

VOTE: Unsure

who would you have been happy with voting for Malcolm?

Remember now. Vivax mentioned more in the mafia thread or something like that. After that is when all his nonsensical posting started

i dont understand this post

[geraintm]

looking at the thoughts of people on Malcolm and Fred.
flipping them both would obviously solve their slots, cant work out though which one would be more useful to help solve others

It kinda sucks that the only defunct point I've is in the very post I voted him though~

Also I'm just going to let this loose:

I'm actually legit angry at Bugspray for flat out wasting their role on a godawful meaningless claim. Not getting voted off after Meg flipped scum. Too inactive to be worth killing at night. Claims random inno scan for absolutely no reason day 2.

Offensively awful play.

it did seem a very quick claim. i wouldnt have in that situation, i woul dhave waited to see if any pressure built up on their check before claiming.

i don't like lowell posting that last half of yesterday

Scum reading Lowell gets you a naughty point.

Adante = town.

My hesitation with Fred is that Lowell abandoned the Meg wagon for Fred just as it began to gather momentum, and then didn't return until it was clear the Meg wagon was serious. So it seemed like Lowell might have been trying to defuse the pressure on his buddy which obviously doesn't work if Fred is also scum.

I actually forgot about this.

Lowell ended up probably the single hardest person in the game on Meg's train though, as he was really pushing that to be hammered after stalling out for so long. It's theoretically "possible" that Meg disappeared intentionally just to let Lowell do this, but that's kind of a total bush-league play.

same, scum reading Lowell gets you anaught ypoint too. Lowell isn't getting eliminated any time soon.

Lowell ended up probably the single hardest person in the game on Meg's train though,

is this revisionist history. Lowell was being super sketchy

did you even read Bugspray???

@ Greeting

if you remove the bugspray/lowell pair too, you get left with
Unsure, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99 UNOwen, Prince of Paterson

are you happier with those?

I suppose I could leave Firebringer and geraintm out for the time being. Although I am not very sure about these two, they have given me some stuff to townread them for, while the rest are all kinda shady.

i am interested in what i have done that is shady

keepign on trying to get Lowell voted off whilst sayign you trust Bugspray.

VOTE: enchant

i dont get this vote at all. but Enchant's reaction is weird.

VOTE: Malcolm

ok, i can get with the vote but the progression sucks.

Ultimate obvious bus.

I didn't even realise I was hammer lmao. Glad I just went for it.

you know you get zero credit for the hammer, it just makes your clot look worse and claiming you did ti accidentally doesnt help.


right now, i would be happy with a Malcolm elimination. but firebringer looks super weird too

[geraintm]

Ping-pon is amazing.
Nice post gera, can I call you pinhead you sly devil?

i have no idea what this means

[geraintm]

@greeting

i still think malcolm is the way to go today

[geraintm]

@vivax
my picture is something i found nearly 20 years ago that i thought was memorable for other users. no hellraiser connection.

i am pretty all over the place, i've got very little to help me focus on anything at hte moment. it feels like a larger game like this needs 2 nights to really get going

[geraintm]

VOTE: Firebringer

i can see no reason in their post history for this.
naughty point, just looks like trying to get any wagon going which isnt them

VOTE: Unsure

Likable counterwagon. The predecessor to the slot had enough scummy stuff going for themselves.

i didn't really get GReeting's logic, but it felt like a half decent attempt to read someone. but seems very oppotunistic from vivax.
BTW, this game's Vivax is 100% different to my last game with them. does anyone else have that vibe off them?

@ crescent - your post 805 - it felt like it was agreeing with post 797that was scum reading Lowell

im lazy and just gonna omgus
VOTE: Fred

i hate this slot

I also hate Enchant

i'm going to VOTE: Firebringer though i dont think anyone else is really going to go that way. but Fred and Enchant are eminently worthy of being voted off too.

[geraintm]

i didn't really get GReeting's logic, but it felt like a half decent attempt to read someone. but seems very oppotunistic from vivax.
BTW, this game's Vivax is 100% different to my last game with them. does anyone else have that vibe off them?

It was actually

Vivax

who led me to look into

Unsure

's predecessor on Day 1.

oh, i didnt see any mention of vivax in your iso to suggest this

[geraintm]

Fred's post was 893 with their vote for Fred. It had zero backing to it, it came from nowhere like it was trying to start a wagon.
Fire's vote which tipped me over the edge on them was 939.

I was 90% aware the wagon on Fred was not going to go anywhere, butbi felt I needed to back up my total dislike of them with a vote, I have often said thoughts and opinions without votes don't count

[geraintm]

tis game is dying a death, second game in a row

[geraintm]

i would push the Fred wagon over the edge, but ther eis no way we should be ended today right now. we will end up with the situation where a bunch of players cruise through to day 4 or whenever with no content whatsoever.

[geraintm]

I am Hagrid.

How the hell you suspect Hagrid.

Have you watched Harry Potter, scamp?
Hagrid was a notorious criminal. Maybe well intented, but still a criminal

I am Vigilante.

you know i am going to believe this, right?

[geraintm]

The game was dying. We had 2 replacements out for inactivity and thr game just seems paused as even the replacements come in and claim they'll jot be posting any time soon.

[geraintm]

I should also note that Vivax shows up on these wagons every time too. I don't think this is especially damning for him, as I've felt since early on that he is town who is often overconfident and often wrong, which is exactly the type of town that mafia would want to hide behind and join their pushes. However, it should be noted, because if he survives to endgame, depending on the flips it could be worth giving him another look.

my experience with vivax in my last game are so totally different to this one. there they were shitposting townie, only marginally more useful than not mafia. this game....theyve attempted to be an actual functional member of society.

if it werent for so many people coasting so far today, the flip of fred seems worth it for the level of info it will gain. i just dont want to do it yet, because otherwise we end up day 3 and 4 with certain people having zero presence in the game and we end up either eliminating only vocal players or forced to go after those who have effectivly dodged the entire game

[geraintm]

If by the time I get back Fredrick A Campbell is at E-1, I will announce intent to hammer and hammer against my better judgement, for the simple reason that it's best to eliminate someone than no one and this still seems to be the choice of most townies. Given the way Day 2 is going, realistically I don't see any other solution, and I would name Fredrick A Campbell as a townlean, not a townread too.

we have five days and we just got new people in slots.
This is not a rush situation

i agree with this, those rushing today know something the rest of us dont

[geraintm]

Are we back to Fred again? Honestly people.

VOTE: fred

are you calling out your own post on Fred?

[geraintm]

Here is a good question for everyone.
Why am i the only one voting Mala?

because you dont normally pile onto a replacement until they have had a chance to properly post, just bad form

[geraintm]

Here is a good question for everyone.
Why am i the only one voting Mala?

VOTE: Malakittens

Not so good now eh

this is the quaility of posting i expected from vivax

[geraintm]

Here's the issue I have with voting Mala right now based on the notion that Fred is town. A Mala flip basically doesn't tell us anything.

If Fred is town, there is an over 90% chance Enchant is scum. If Enchant is scum, Mala's chances of being town go up a little based on DWLee's actions.

Let's sum up Enchant even further now that we've seen more: He unvotes for an awful reason, that also seems to slip knowledge that Fred is town, and has a terrible reaction in response to the scrutiny. On top of this bad reaction, he never makes any effort whatsoever to explain why it suddenly made Fred "town" in the first place, which was the very first thing I asked.

Then he just says **** it, and naked votes Fred

for the third time this game

.


Prince's logic for a Fred vote is pretty solid, I'll give him that, but I still hold that Enchant feels like scum who followed this pattern:


A. Hopped from lazy pre-planned wagon (MT) to town wagon (Fred) as MT's wagon was fading off.

B. Found a bad excuse to get off of Fred's wagon so as to not be caught on a town flip.

C. Reacted poorly under the scrutiny of this unvote, but wouldn't actually address why it stuck out as bad. Gave no reason for why this made Fred town.

D. Saw Fred's train suddenly losing steam, and contradicted himself by jumping back onto a guy he just called town for absolutely no reason... With a vote made for absolutely no reason.


This doesn't feel remotely like town progression, and it seems far too ill timed at times and awkward at others to be a bus.

crescent's posts area always very consistent, this game and the last. if they can fake this as scum then i am impressed.

[geraintm]

it is my birthday this weekend, won't be posting much.
i think i am in agreement with the grown ups posting in the thread that the Fred elimination looks best, but i on policy dont want to move to tomorrow without Malakittens saying something..

i take it Fred has made his peace with going at least?

[geraintm]

I am popping in quickly, I cannot follow anything rhat has happened lately and make sense of it. Especially enchants vote

[geraintm]

Popping in quickly before bed.

I just want to say I was sniped for thr hammer yesterday, I went back through their posts and came to the conclusion that it was right to vote them off, but whilst writing it the last vote came down and I couldn't post. I just sorta want to confess that I would have hammered too

[geraintm]

I ended yesterday with a group I'm suspicious of, and a bunch who just need to post more- I have no memory of them at all

[geraintm]

i come back to like, 6 pages and i dont think i am mentioned once. i don't know how to interact with people to actually leave a presence.

I guess there also is an alternative explanation, and that is that

Crescent

is a deepwolf who became town leader, and that I am absolutely wasting my effort right now.

the game Crescent is scum is the game i get owned. i am 99% sure if i have an investigative roll they'll be very near the top of the list of people i'd go visit.

Sure, I can go into more detail later if you'd like. The short answer is that by the end of day yesterday I started to feel like Firebringer was scum regardless of Fred's alignment. I don't expect to convince you of it and will probably switch to whichever wagon out of Enchant and Unsure needs more momentum. It's mostly a vanity vote. I don't think either are a quick jump though, as both were in my pool of most likely scum.

wasn't i on Firebringer?

unsure vs Greeting is getting stronger.
Unsure 1419 i don't like.

VOTE: unsure

Let’s kick some asses woooo!

Lowell is one of those players i have no memory of, andtheir entrance today seems oppotunisitc

is there a tldr: investigate guilty anywhere?

another player i have zero idea what they have done this game

Malakittens finally makes an entrance, they sure seem to like Andante

i need to go and look at wagons, we should have had enough now to make some sense.

[geraintm]

another player i have zero idea what they have done this game

easy. I pushed fred D1, then Malcolm, and I made a case for UNO no one read D2, game was dead I went "ok fine, lim fred" then people unvoted all "idk about that one!!!" fred was town, and here we are. I still hate malcolm's d1 towards me, and UNO is definitely maf for his stance on Meg d1

I've just been a tad too busy to sit here all day, and especially when this game is just "WHO CAN SHOUT THE LOUDEST" like yesterday... dead game, people went "ok just lim fred" and then there were lots of unvotes and "I'm not sure" like, what? game was dead. yall said "just lim fred and end it" yeah whatever

i might not take yor word for it, might have to actually review your posts

[geraintm]

I wanna end day voting in Malcolm/UNO

VOTE: Malcolm

i wonder how many naughty points one person can accumulate in a game?

[geraintm]

MT at the end of D1, why did you feel as if Meg needed more pressure?

Slightly confused here - not seeing this in my ISO? I hammered without realising after all.

you are saying you hammered without realising....doesnt actually make that true

[geraintm]

What do people think of Crescent? It's a slot I'd seen as town so far based on posting but wanted to have a greater look. There's a lot of shading people for joining the wagon without supposedly having a valid reason throughout D1 but also acknowledgement of Meg's drop in activity, almost feels a bit like Crescent could have been hedging there, aware they'd been too defensive. But also feels like there's just too many mentions of Meg/too many interactions early on for them to be scum partners together? Unless Crescent just wanted to be assertive in trying to save their partner.

iv played with them a few times, always town and they are always (appear) very competent. what they are like as scum is terrfying.

[geraintm]

Unsure 1419 i don't like.

Why?

I'd like to hear some elaboration on MT here, given I also soft-townread him.

As I said, I don't think town!MT comes in 8 days before deadline with a careless vote/hammer on a slot he townread all day just because a case convinced him — even though the slot ended up being scum.
Their angle on Fred is pure piggyback instead of anything that resembles a spark of originality — but on top of it all, there's nothing about MT's play that makes me think they're curious enough or solving the game.

The points against them being scum is "sloppiness" where people don't believe scum would play the way he did (in a way that endangers their slot/throws them under the bus as i understand it) but what was their alternative here? Anti-spew is a thing, especially if your slot is in danger of real elimination. I even think lack of self-preservation is scummy.

this was it, and i am reading it back now and i am trying to remember why i didnt like it. it is a weird mixture of regurgitating other people's thoughts on Malcolm and half formed thoughts of their own and throwing it all together to get a read and it just didnt feel right. like the bit about not thinking theyd be town but wait they could be town and i dunno....

thanks for asking me a question though

[geraintm]

I wanna end day voting in Malcolm/UNO

VOTE: Malcolm

i wonder how many naughty points one person can accumulate in a game?

Can I see your list to find out?

it is bed time here, i;m planning on looking at the wagons tomorrow to make sense of things and narrowing my pool. though i suspect it will end up me heading in different directions to everyone else

[geraintm]

vote count 1.final

with 17 votes in play, it took 9 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

yeet

MegAzumarill [9]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Greeting, Firebringer, UNOwen, Lowell, Prince of Paterson, Vivax, Crescent, MalcolmTucker

[HAMMER]

bugspray [3]:

Fredrick A Campbell, Enchant, Unsure

MalcolmTucker [1]:

Andante

Fredrick A Campbell [1]:

bugspray

Enchant [1]:

Dwlee99

Lowell [1]:

MegAzumarill

not voting [1]:

geraintm

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.

flavour

this was the day 1 hammer.
of the votes on, we know Pooky was town,


Greeting, Firebringer, UNOwen, Lowell, Prince of Paterson, Vivax, Crescent, MalcolmTucker
these were on the wagon, but i don't consider any of these to be likely town or scum because of likelihood of scum bussing.

the following is from vote 1.11, when there might have been a push for another wagon that wasn't Meg on a player later found to be town

bugspray [4]: Fredrick A Campbell, Enchant, Vivax, Unsure

So Enchant, Vivax and Unsure look suspicious to me - Vivax also managed to switch to be on the final wagon of Meg before the end.

Day 2

Fredrick A Campbell [8]: Prince of Paterson, UNOwen, Andante, Lowell, MalcolmTucker, Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, Enchant

that was the final wagon. Gamma ended up dead, the rest still alive.

Prince of Paterson - also voted meg
UNOwen - also voted for MEg
Andante
Lowell - also voted meg
MalcolmTucker - hammered MEg
Firebringer - also voted meg
Enchant

I am not sure where i am going with this.
i dont think these is much from the wagons to be gleaned. day 1 i think there was scum on the wagon (meg looked a gonner for much of the day and i peg scum as wanting to be on the inevitable wagon), day 2 almost certainly.

i think that triple of Enchant/Vivax/Unsure is where i am going to look at next, and see how much i dislike their slots (though i confess, Vivax is the one name that pings me right now, i have memories of them doing a bunch of stuff that upset me)

[geraintm]

Sorry, not posting much today and only quickly scanning the thread. Did vivax really vote for 7 different people since I last posted?

[geraintm]

i think that triple of Enchant/Vivax/Unsure is where i am going to look at next, and see how much i dislike their slots (though i confess, Vivax is the one name that pings me right now, i have memories of them doing a bunch of stuff that upset me)

i said i would look at this, and i havent yet and so despite everything oging on im going to do it.

[geraintm]

Enchant first, going to look at their important votes and see if any of it makes sense

Day 1

VOTE: Fred

Idk i voted Andante jokengly

but it didnt seem serious

jesus, there are then a whole bunch of "joke" votes on everyone, the last one being 585 on bugspray. no more votes day 1

Day 2

VOTE: Malcolm

trying to get a quick wagon launched on the DAy 1 Hammer

VOTE: Fred

back to fred, no reason

then 3 quick votes at the end of the day, going from Malakittens to Vivax to Fred. all with no reasons.

That is a frigging ugly vote history. i have literally no idea from looking at them to know why they voted for anyone.

Day 3
A vote for Prince (think the first one they have placed on the all game)

[geraintm]

Vivax now, and i am going to skip so many of the votes becase there are too many of them

DAy 1

This was their last vote of the day, it was on the final wagon. they were the 3rd last person to vote on the MEg wagon. i got nothing....i cannot see in their post history any especial reason they joined in. looks so bussy.
the previous few posts were interacting with Crescent, calling on Crescent's reads on Meg and themselves as making no sense. except we now know that they were right on one of the two....

If I turn the game on its head.
Andante, Fred, me, Meg uninformed? Maybe all mafia except me.
Now we can flip.

VOTE: MegAzumaril

Day 2....

they were not on any wagon at end of day.
they unvoted malakittens because it was unfair to push someone due to exams.
they had previously voted fred, but switched to mala and then never went back to fred

lets just say Day 2 Vivax isn't very similar to other days

Day 3 Vivax

voting everyone.

i hate their day 1 vote.
day 2, consdering how happy they are at every other point to be voting, they sure didn't want to be on the Fred wagon

[geraintm]

Unsure

Day 1 they voted Bugspray early and then never moved

Day 2

Initial vote on Malcolm, pressuring the hammer from Day 1. also seen that from Enchant

VOTE: MalcolmTucker the premature hammer is probably last minute bus. MT showed no signs of sussing Meg before that and the excuse is weak. I dont see town MT going for that if theres a risk Meg is green.

VOTE: Malakittens

Im okay with this but also okay with Enchant but prefer MalcolmTucker.

a later vote on malakittens. but i dont see any previous posts about malakittens, so it kinda comes from nowhere.

that was it for Day 2

Day 3

an early vote for malcom, and a recent one on Enchant.

[geraintm]

Gera what's holding you back from simply voting Enchant here?
I thought we'd hold hands, sing kumbaya and pull through with it, not pile on new stuff. Or are you pre-casing me if they flip mafia?

because i said i would look at all three of the slots before i did anything, and i want to keep my word.

[geraintm]

overall, of the three i would put their voting history as

Worst: Vivax
2nd: Enchant
3rd: Unsure

Vivax slotted onto the Meg wagon at a really ugly point, their Day 2 just looks like they were hard trying to not be on the Fred wagon and switched over to the Mala one before being nowhere

Enchant - i just cannot understand the logic behind any of their votes, they seem almost plucked from thin air

Unsure - similar to Enchant, just less of them.

Overall, i would really want Vivax to go today. their history is poor, and they seem desperate to get enchant gone today.
i think the two slots are on opposite sides, i don't think they can be together

VOTE: Vivax

[geraintm]

overall, of the three i would put their voting history as

Worst: Vivax
2nd: Enchant
3rd: Unsure

Vivax slotted onto the Meg wagon at a really ugly point, their Day 2 just looks like they were hard trying to not be on the Fred wagon and switched over to the Mala one before being nowhere

Enchant - i just cannot understand the logic behind any of their votes, they seem almost plucked from thin air

Unsure - similar to Enchant, just less of them.

Overall, i would really want Vivax to go today. their history is poor, and they seem desperate to get enchant gone today.
i think the two slots are on opposite sides, i don't think they can be together

VOTE: Vivax

But i can explain reasoning of every vote.

You dont though, they are all blank votes. I'm sure later on you can come up with an explanation that fits your narrative at the time.

[geraintm]

overall, of the three i would put their voting history as

Worst: Vivax
2nd: Enchant
3rd: Unsure

Vivax slotted onto the Meg wagon at a really ugly point, their Day 2 just looks like they were hard trying to not be on the Fred wagon and switched over to the Mala one before being nowhere

Enchant - i just cannot understand the logic behind any of their votes, they seem almost plucked from thin air

Unsure - similar to Enchant, just less of them.

Overall, i would really want Vivax to go today. their history is poor, and they seem desperate to get enchant gone today.
i think the two slots are on opposite sides, i don't think they can be together

VOTE: Vivax

Vivax doesn't seem desperate for anything except moving the game along.
Also as u would say, naughty points to u for voting Vivax.

Why? Day 1 they were on the very suspicious wagon that tried to get someone else eliminated besides the eventually scum, day 2 they were on the wagon of a townie for a long long time before helpfully getting off it before it flipped for odd reasons and uncharacteristically not going back. And day 3 they have voted everyone in the game at some point. They have the worst vote history in the game to me, why are you giving me a naughty point for that?

[geraintm]

Why am j being dishonest Vivax?
I think you are scum.
You've not actually replied to anything I said about you, you have just said I'm dishonest.

[geraintm]

Why am j being dishonest Vivax?
I think you are scum.
You've not actually replied to anything I said about you, you have just said I'm dishonest.

Within game context. I hope that goes without saying.
I just don't see the point of stalling the phase even if you think I'm mafia.
Surely there's someone you think is town in the game who has made a suggestion you can follow along when your own doesn't get traction, but maybe you just honestly like the phase to last as long as possible?

you are telling me to sheep someone else. you think i am trying to stall today by voting for you?

[geraintm]

but i do believe it. i have written a bunch of posts about it. i think you are the person in this game, with the knowledge i have, to be most likely to be scum.
i get that right now no one else is voting for you, but i have to get it out that you are who i want gone most. others might read my posts and agree with me, they may not, but im oing my best

your response though to "follow someone else who has made a suggestion" - that is awful!

[geraintm]

So, catching up. That was odd.
When it comes to roles I've never seem before (and I've never seem this) I tend to follow what others are saying because I don't understand how the roles should be used (I've had problems myself in thr past on not knowing how best to use my role).
I am inclined to follow Crescent here because they are a better player than me

[geraintm]

Checking my thoughts on Malcolm from my own ISO

Happy to vote Meg here given the arguments being presented.

VOTE: Meg

did you hammer after i explicitly unvoted to give them time to claim?
naughty point for you.

I then said later i would be happy with a Macolm elimination - i really, really hated that hammer

i later respond to malcom when they ask about crescent

that is pretty uch it. i had barely any interaction with them, and that initial hype there was about them after the Day 1 hammer disappeared and the game went elsewhere.
They were on both Wagons, so there is that.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Malcolm
i am trusting others about the value of this elimination. i know i hate others sheeping other votes, so call me out on that but this is one of those weird times where i am out of my depth and acknowledge that but trust in the hive mind

[geraintm]

Hiw did you forget, people have been telling you all day?

[geraintm]

that was a lot to catch up on.
1st thought: If Mala turns up green then the push to them away from Malcolm is sus as fuck. there were many people who could have pushed them off the edge but didn't.

Mala, i've not looked at all because they weren't in my pool of interest. quick look and what i see mostly is a ton of defending Enchant but there is pretty much no content at all from them. i am not going to vote for them, because i don't think they are anywhere near as bad as others, but they need to post something quick otherwise they look doomed for today, just from the feel of the town.

[geraintm]

I have no reason to doubt that claim.

[geraintm]

...Why would a rolestopper have anything to do with Malcolm's claim?

I came here just to explain it.

Andante wanted to rolestop Malcolm, so he can't be roleblocked.

Peace. I sleep

I've just read the wiki on rolestopper because I have never come across it before. Their plan was to target malcolm, so that malcolm would definitely be able to do their thing and so prove malcolms roll.
But what would have happened if no kne died because the doctor protected someone? It wasn't 100% guaranteed was it?

Am I missing something?

[geraintm]

I realise the question is pointless because everyone is dead, sorry

[geraintm]

That's a brutal twist in flavour there

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

Is your roll something like compulsive non-consecutive shit-voter or something?

[geraintm]

i've just realized that i accidentally set the day deadline at 8 days instead of 10. this will be corrected shortly. apologies for any inconveniences or distress this may have caused.

I was so distressed

[geraintm]

Thinking this through, what would it require for town to have the 2 cops from a mafia point of view? Is it at all possible they are both correct?
My feeling is that scum, from thr way they have been going after rolls, will kill mala tonight. If They don't then it is a pretty likely guilty on mala?

[geraintm]

No regrets on the Malcolm execution, even though I do think there are some good questions being raised about Malakittens claim.

I think we should decide if it's not better to mass role claim and figure out the setup now.

I'm in favour of a mass claim today.

This was yout first post today, you didn't mention the cop claim or lowell, did you crumb at all (and I don't think anyone has asked you what your night 1 action was?)

I cannot work out why if you were scum you would be playing the way you are though

[geraintm]

Sill question, like, really dumb. Why didn't you check mala?

[geraintm]

Sill question, like, really dumb. Why didn't you check mala?

My assumption is that Malakittens is scum and not worth investigating.

For the other questions, I'm not odd night, just night 3 and I didn't bother crumbing.

Sorry, for some reason I thought you said odd night.
Your claim BTW is genius, one shot cop. No kne can ever check that. But you didn't use it against Mala who you think is scum???

[geraintm]

Hmm ok.

As well as being a N3 cop, I also have a bit of information about the game that's probably useless except in a mass claim context, where it could

potentially

be useful. But I can't promise it would come to anything even then.

Trying to catch up.
I have the fear that you are going to pull something from your ass after all thr claims to help back up your claim. It is genius if you are scum

[geraintm]

Hmm ok.

As well as being a N3 cop, I also have a bit of information about the game that's probably useless except in a mass claim context, where it could

potentially

be useful. But I can't promise it would come to anything even then.

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.

I agree that

Crescent

is looking worse and worse the further we get into the game. Her dedication to the game and depth of reads heavily contrasts with her incorrect reads, stubbornness and poor voting record. If she is still alive by like Day 7 or so, town might need to kick her out.

If that is the case, the lengths she goes to get townread are very impressive.

I think I ages ago said I feared the game when Crescent is finally scum. This is the 2nd post in a row saying the same....which either makes me a predictive genius or else I am worried why suddenly today one of the players who'd be really difficult to eliminate is getting this sort of wagon....

[geraintm]

[

If all claims are true, then the remaining 3-4 mafia should be in here.

Now, let's color all the townreads green.

{Unsure, Vivax, Firebringer, Crescent, geraintm, Prince of Paterson}

Conclusion? Either the townreads are off or the claims are off, because if both are right, we're missing one, up to two scum.

I think its pretty obvious claims aren't true in this game right now.

I assumed thay one was false, but then there were posts saying how it could be true and game set up is something others are way better at than me (as I still am coming up against new rolls like they rolestopper thing)

[geraintm]

Greeting town
Fb town
Enchant town
Unowen likely town
Which means Lowell is town

My PoE is the rest

Why are some of these town? Are you just making reads up?
You are under pressure and I am unsure of yout slot and want something more concrete than the above

[geraintm]

Bruh
Sorry about that

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

Is someone shining like a red light on people's names causing your votes?

[geraintm]

Andante wins the game tbqh

I don't understand thid

[geraintm]

I dunno, but once all the claims come out you come outbwith your extra bit of info which just so happens to corroborate some of the other claims. I have the fear....

I have lots of fear right now

[geraintm]

crescent's post feels mostly correct. they do feel town - but like they said they have the Fear that somewhere something doesn't add up and it only takes one scum to slip through into the town pile and we are doomed. my fear is that it is crescent, as i have no idea how to spot them as scum.

i think i have to wait for crescent to claim before i do

[geraintm]

VOTE: unsure

[geraintm]

VOTE: Unsure

Oh fuck my vote tripped

@greeting - don't worry, i think this is enough to not believe their claim.

[geraintm]

Quickly checking in (daughters birthdays today).
I cannot see me voting anywhere but mala today. Anyone not voting mala stinks
VOTE: mala

[geraintm]

Hitting thread quickly, I thought it would be night by now. Vivax just doing the absolute worst though.
Will catch up tomorrow

[geraintm]

i havent posted in 6 days because you sped run yesterday and gave me no chance to post.
someone asked if i claimed. i havent. i am vt. i think i said something like "i have no reason to doubt this claim" when someone else claimed, and that was me hinting at not having a roll that would conflict with a claim.
will catch up later.

[geraintm]

I'll have some time either tonight or tomorrow morning to look things over in full.

This is..alarming.

VOTE: Prince

yesterday was awful. i can see how it happened, it was all worked out the day before but you bounced them through pretty hard. i have no idea why the above post was made, why was it alarming? those on the wagon...some of you feel like you had a real incentive to get it done quickly.

[geraintm]

I don't know. If it was that easy then we'd be playing some other game. But sure felt like yesterday went way too fast

[geraintm]

I don't know. If it was that easy then we'd be playing some other game. But sure felt like yesterday went way too fast

So why bring it up? You have yet to actually state anything.

because i wanted to say that is where i would want to look, those who ran through yesterday and see if they have any other weirdness in their history

[geraintm]

vote count 6.final

with 7 votes in play, it took 4 to make a decision. day 6 ended.

yeet

Prince of Paterson [4]:

Crescent, UNOwen, Frogsterking, Enchant

[HAMMER]

not voting [3]:

Vivax, geraintm, Prince of Paterson

so this was teh vote yesterday.


Crescent, enchant and Frogsterking ending the day in no time at all.

Frogsterking was in from the off, then unvoted and then voted

they had voted for PRince in 2473, they were not on the Mala wagon the previous day

Crescent - also did not vote Mala the previous day.

i don't easily follow their long post on Firebringer
i cant believe he gives vivax credit for a good voting history - vivax spewed a vote on every single person in the thread, often all at the same time for no sane reason, it is the perfect way to obscure all reads into your votes by hving so many of them none men anything

ive gone back through their most recent posts and couldnt see any obvious bashing of Prince the day before yesterday's quick vote.

Enchant - did vote Mala

I actually fine on condition that you WILL kill prince after me, but I can't really be sure about it, because you all decided to throw game and probably will go for anyone, but not him.

Like really, Unsure openly tried to divert wagon from Prince on Malcolm, and everyone forget it at instant, which i always called out.

Also, if Mala somehow town, mafia team is Crescend+Prince.
I will not be here obviously to remind about this.

had a very good woe is me post that i've quoted above. for someone who thought the team is crescent and prince, they didn't seem to have any qualms about joining crescent in hammering the other scum

I am now 98% sure Crescent is mafia.

Ironically i can't do shit about it.

Enchant can you scum case Crescent?

No, i can't. I am not sure about it anymore.

and then following up today with this.

So, Question for Crescent - why did you vote so quickly for PRince yesterday. you are a very deliberate player, happy ot not place votes for a long period of time - yet yesterday you couldnt get onto Prince quick enough and i can't see the reasoning for it - can you point out to me why as i am sure i have just missed it.

Enchant - yeah, you need to be better and not flop on your reads that easily.

Frogster - why did you unvote and then revote yesterday?

[geraintm]

Prince felt so obvious that I was planning to first post maul him on day 6 before Mala was even flipped on day 5. The arguments felt virtually flawless, and the only reason I had for defending this guy was argued away by Owen in what looked to be solid reasoning. Prince had already spent the vast majority of the game on my scumlist as it was (you seem to gave ignored this part, and I'd like to ask why). He's on my shortlist both at the start of day 2 and day 3.

i didnt look back through all your posts, i looked at today, yesterday and was srolling back through the day before and i didnt see any of your normal wall type posts (like you have done today on frogster). you have too much to go through to find it all, but i felt like i hadnt spotted anything at the end of the day

[geraintm]

Prince felt so obvious that I was planning to first post maul him on day 6 before Mala was even flipped on day 5. The arguments felt virtually flawless, and the only reason I had for defending this guy was argued away by Owen in what looked to be solid reasoning. Prince had already spent the vast majority of the game on my scumlist as it was (you seem to gave ignored this part, and I'd like to ask why). He's on my shortlist both at the start of day 2 and day 3.

i didnt look back through all your posts, i looked at today, yesterday and was srolling back through the day before and i didnt see any of your normal wall type posts (like you have done today on frogster). you have too much to go through to find it all, but i felt like i hadnt spotted anything at the end of the day

Am I wrong to assume that you reacting to my case on FP in that way back in Day 1 is something I should usually read as AI for you but not in this game?

I'm sorry, I'm jot sure what this means

[geraintm]

Looks like you changed your opinion of me there after I listed reasons for FP to be scum, but you didn't follow up with changing your opinion of them as well

i dont think i mentioned your posts about frogsterprince? i don't think i changed my opinion on you based on that?
i was talking to crescent, and you chipped in about something else i am got confused.

This quick wagon sure seems interesting. Gonna note it for later

This looks like you knew it was on town

Are you scum for extra knowledge? I can't find a rational explanation for your reactions if you aren't

nope, no extra knowledge, it was just me snarking at people when i see stuff that i don't like. you know...you can spot stuff that looks bad and call it out.

@ crescent - so, i am not sure what to say. i cannot fake other people's reads on me, i just play as i play and thats it. you can fake your own reads on people, but getting a whole bunch of people to all read you as town isn't something i can control.
i am a low level poster, i get more active as the game narrows down and more info comes out (though it feels like this game has run out of information now) and it didn't help that yesterday i didn't get to post at all and the day before i voted Mala straight off as i was convonced they were scum and i didnt get into much in the way of back and forth with people.

you do say that people don't mention me much....but i reckon if you went through everyone in the game (including yourself) no one has any interaction with me. somehow people just don't bring me into arguments, or else i don't get involved in them early doors because i think they are pointless. using lack of interaction between me and confirmed scum doesn't mean anything.

votes - dunno, you have gone back through them better than me. my off hand memory is i was stuck on vivax for ages, they've been a horible slot for me as i just am/was convinvced no sane player could vote like they have. i believe i voted off both scum - and i just checked

Eh. I believe if you really try, you can find reason to scumread/townread anyone.

this ^^

Frogster - i dont understand your pathway thing on enchant

[geraintm]

So do you want to vote Crescent or not, Gera

I feel almost bad for the failed pranksters of 2019 who made a very unwise decision. If you know you know, and you can't go back

Their push on me I know is at best mistaken and could be malicious. They are a player I cannot read and I have feared them being scum because when they are they'll best me senseless. I don't think do far this game I have said they are town or scum, but I don't think they should be eliminated for the possible pile

[geraintm]

Frogster - i dont understand your pathway thing on enchant

Can you try?

so the 1st bunch of snippets are them all over Crescent

then you point out the 3 night eliminations, except Greeting died before all the snippets so i was confused by the placement of them here.

and then the post flip of Prince where they backed off from wanting Crescent dead.

what does Pathing mean though? You have i guess pointed out their path of thoughts, how it was focussed on Crescent, a bunch of townies died, and now they don't want to kill Crescent.

but i dont know what this means for your thoughts on their alignment.
sorry if i am being dim

[geraintm]

what does Pathing mean though? You have i guess pointed out their path of thoughts

oh, i thought it was something cleverer than that.

[geraintm]

I'm just going to sheep Greetings legacy
Too grumpy to be a good influence on this game today, it's the bad kind of wtf-inducing posts

VOTE: Enchant

I think I've talked myself off of Enchant, somehow.

But seriously I do want to see SOMETHING more substantial from him today before I'm committing to anyone.

I'm just going to seriously tinfoil here UNVOTE:
And say Frogster/Fire is the scum slot cause it started off with self-proclaimed scumminess then went into making posts that make themselves look townie.

Also, Frogsters approach today with the pathing nonsense aimed at getting me to scumread you smells bad

My TR of FK is pretty much solely based on Fire, who has a very strong ISO. For him to be scum means he would've been playing a really strong scumgame before suddenly becoming demotivated and falling off a cliff.

my read on you is that you you seem very similar to the other game we were in....but frankly i think you are a pretty decent player and not having seen ascum game from you i think it will be very similar and i would have no idea what to ook for. if i had a power roll, you would be one of the first people i would check.

[geraintm]

To put it simply if it is Gera like I'm currently thinking it is, I may have discovered a serious scumtell of his and I would rather not say.

I might want to research more of his scumgames after work.

I have no idea if I have any tells, but I know I am a horrible scum player because I am way, way panicky all the time. I think I am always really really obvious when I am scum. But for someone people repeatedly say they cannot get good reads on, I wish people would actually target me so I cam get cleared. Me, that's what I do. Not mafia is in the game, i would check them over. Crescent, same as I find you intimidating and would want to know your alignment (and I think unchecked scum you would be very strong)

Right now I feel like I am being set up by someone to get eliminated. I also feel like if I try and push the people I think are more likely to be scum ill get overwhelmed in response

[geraintm]

I have a 5 hour car journey shortly.
You've gone through a past game and pointed out similarities, but you haven't done it with a town game of mine.
I don't move votes around much day one - I will often leave a random vote the whole day. I like evidence before voting, but I will limit on in ang game when I have some. There wasn't evidence early doors this game, but when there was I voted when I felt strongly. Now, I don't feel strongly and so I'm hesitant again (I'm not waiting to be cuddled up or whatever it was you said).
I knew this would happen, as soon as I said anything about any other player today I was going to get out posted
You mentioned a tell

[geraintm]

Sorry, back quickly. At relatives after a 6 hour drive.

Skimming, but what is Crescent doing?

[geraintm]

This doesn't feel like Crescent at all

[geraintm]

What have I missed? Have we won? Crescent?

[geraintm]

Please unvote before vivax logs back on! If you are town then please don't let him get the easy win!!!

[geraintm]

Or else you are just scum trying to bounce the game through

[geraintm]

It is easy if you have left a fangling vote kn me

[geraintm]

Why do you think I am scum anyway???

[geraintm]

You think I am scum who has not been on any of thr last few elkminatins of town?

[geraintm]

I'm off to bed now, see you all in the mornjbg

[geraintm]

VOTE: frogsterking
It's 4:44am

[geraintm]

I'm not sure how we won that. Even not counting me getting followed, that felt uphill all the way (voting off a pair of partners mid game after we lose one day 1) and Crescent pretty much nailing me.

Our roles didn't seem to do much, I thunk we just got lucky.

[geraintm]

Thinking of it, I think we as scum went for roles most of the time and it ended up being crucial, we would have lost if we hadn't. But also leaving the few town players in who would be able to solve the game nearly came back to haunt us. Still not sure which is the correct plan.

[geraintm]

interesting read of scum chat

Much overconfidence early, then the realisation that mala won't last long and then once I was alone I had a plan and it had like....a 10% chance of working