Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[KittyTacky]

ok i have a test for whoever shows up first

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

BEEP BOOP. HELLO FELLOW HUMANS. I AM A HUMAN LIKE YOU. BEEP BOOP.

[KittyTacky]

I joined this game just to flirt with the cute moderator and because he invited me.

his invite dm said that he liked me, i was kinda ngl

im gonna frame it and put it on my wall

why aren't you going to mindlessly tunnel me this time? did you finally roll maf?

I pre-inned.

[KittyTacky]

This is my first time playing a mountainous setup, not used to games without PRs.

[KittyTacky]

Furtive glance and anyone else,

Want to share your old games so I can get a feel of how you play as either alignments

:curtain:

I played a bunch in many normals, mostly, but also Store Bought Potions which was the first non-normal-non-newbie that I didn't crash and burn in.

[KittyTacky]

Meow me a river.

Also, that is the cutest avatar. I cannot tel if that is an actual cat or a doll.

Thank you, it's a cute cat.

What is your experience with the players in this player list

Yeah it's the cutest PFP that I have ever seen.

[KittyTacky]

I remember finishing games with... Roden. That's it. This playerlist is new to me.

[KittyTacky]

Oh and RR I think.

[KittyTacky]

the wagon is on a slot getting replaced, they are effectively dead votes

The slot's scummy actions are not undone, we should wait for a replacement though.

[KittyTacky]

I don't like the naked votes on Lokie Dokie.

[KittyTacky]

Vivax almost seems... too scummy to be scum

People who seem too scummy to be scum are almost always just scum who played badly.

[KittyTacky]

I will repeat that the string of naked votes on Loki is just HMMMMMMM to me.

[KittyTacky]

ok I am feeling good about a Dann TR currently. I am not sure if I should be in the business of sharing every townread this game but I do like working with Dann so I'm gonna throw that one out there

I still kinda gut scumread everything fire is posting, I don't like that they unvoted Loki and didn't vote anywhere else.

I also don't like Rat describing my case as "nitpicking" in 175 - calling out the logical slip up is arguably a reach, like I understand that particular point is not necessarily AI, but the overall argument I was making was that I felt fire's TR on Ari was premeditated, which is definitely a cause for concern. Also, I want to clarify my understanding of that post in general - RR, are you using "human"/"AI" as stand-ins for "town"/"mafia", or are you just making a joke about the flavor and Bell's comment as opposed to making a read on me?

I feel like I know who Loki is and I have a lot of trouble with his playstyle because he can not fathom or accept any suspicion or scrutiny on him in any circumstances, but so far I am fine with shelving him as town for now and judging him based off his read accuracy when we get some flips - further if fire is scum then I def think Loki's spewed town by their interaction

Other thing I found odd:

the wagon is on a slot getting replaced, they are effectively dead votes

The slot's scummy actions are not undone, we should wait for a replacement though.

a) What are DonEmpire's scummy actions, in your own words?
b) Why are you not voting the slot if this is how you feel? Better yet, why are you not voting anybody?

I'm actually nullreading the slot, I just explained why they aren't being unvoted.

[KittyTacky]

I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

[KittyTacky]

I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

I don't understand how you can sus the loki voters and also be null on roden

this feels like a contradiction to me.

I'm not heavily scumreading the Loki voters. And explain how is it a contradiction?

like um

which loki voters are you exactly sussing?

The ones who actually gave content so far. I can't read someone who made so few posts at all regardless of if they made a naked vote or not.

[KittyTacky]

hmm ok there's 4 other scum we can wagon a different one

VOTE: KittyTacky

Elaborate.

[KittyTacky]

i think furtive can be town for being funny

he wasn't very funny as scum

maybe more that he seems relaxed here

Fine, I'll look into that. Though tbf even if I put

furtiveglance

in my PoE, deep down I think it would be wiser to eliminate a more obvious scum today.

Really weird comment. I don't agree with RR being 'obvious scum'.

I think they’re both scum and Kitty is the cw to scum.

Kitty is pretty much getting voted for low activity which is totally nia for him.

I'm Lurkasaurus Rex when not hyperposting to catch up as either alignment.

[KittyTacky]

Dear God, this whole "I don't get scumread" thing is insufferable.
I don't think it's necessarily scummy, because the same thing happened somewhat in Terminator, but it IS obnoxious and makes the game way harder to follow for anyone else.


Anyway,
VOTE: Greeting
Ignoring the actual substance of posts in favor of superficial "tells" is probably as scummy as it's gonna get D1.

Did a reread of the whole game so far, yeah I can sheep this.
VOTE: Greeting

[KittyTacky]

I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

I don't understand how you can sus the loki voters and also be null on roden

this feels like a contradiction to me.

I'm not heavily scumreading the Loki voters. And explain how is it a contradiction?

like um

which loki voters are you exactly sussing?

The ones who actually gave content so far. I can't read someone who made so few posts at all regardless of if they made a naked vote or not.

name names

Don't like Dannflor, mostly.

[KittyTacky]

I think KittyTacky is a better vote tbh Bell

VOTE: Kitty

Why do you think he's scum?

He is shading without specificity - which tends to be scum going through the motions rather than actually thinking about who is mafia

I do this as town tho.

[KittyTacky]

I think KittyTacky is a better vote tbh Bell

VOTE: Kitty

Why do you think he's scum?

He is shading without specificity - which tends to be scum going through the motions rather than actually thinking about who is mafia

I do this as town tho.

so you're doing this as mafia now?

Nope.

[KittyTacky]

Don't like Dannflor, mostly.

I have trouble believing you actually scumread Dannflor because you have done literally nothing to push or sort him.

I was busy IRL and feeling out of this game, and I think Greeting is scummier at this point anyways.

[KittyTacky]

Maybe he just doesn’t like me personally

No you're fine.

[KittyTacky]

exceedingly fine with a Greeting wagon

Roden, who are you town reading?

Bell
Dann
GL
Kitty
Loki

Bell and GL are more like town leans though

Can you expand on Kitty and Bell?

Kitty kinda just does the exact same thing as either alignment every game, like making content but never feeling all that present, shrugging when he gets sus'd, and generally being an easy push. The way I try to read players like that is to try to understand their intentions, since I think it's harder to hide intention as scum when you're focused on making your town and scum play identical. I don't really see any attempts at obfuscating his thoughts, and he doesn't really seem to care about his wagon too much.

Bell's simpler, if he's posting then he's town, if not then he's scum. I see this get said every game he's in and I haven't seen it proven wrong yet. His activity has been somewhere in the middle this game so far though, so he's just a town lean.

Yeah.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: DannFlor

Interested into seeing what Loki thinks of a wagon on Dannflor.
It's not on Loki, so it can't be that bad.

You know this Dannflor vote isn't gonna happen, they're widely townread. Why aren't you being more realistic about surviving?

That's a mafia priority. My priority is finding the correct elimination.
If I get yeeted, I haven't been read correctly, and neither was the mafia.

Why isn't KittyTacky the correct elimination?

Because I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

This is KT's first post with suspicion;

I don't like the naked votes on Lokie Dokie.

atp in time the only people who had voted for Loki Dokie are Dannflor and Fireisredsir, fire had unvoted at this point.

~ 3 hours later - Roden votes for Loki Dokie 188

KT comes back and reiterates his position here:

I will repeat that the string of naked votes on Loki is just HMMMMMMM to me.

which is incongruent with:

I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

I don't see how you can suspect naked Loki voters and also be null on someone who fits your criteria.

Roden did not make any other content and just making a naked vote isn't enough to sus him.

When I press KT on which Loki voters he suspects, his response is:

The ones who actually gave content so far. I can't read someone who made so few posts at all regardless of if they made a naked vote or not.

Which implies that he is scumreading one of the other loki voters for their content - but he hasn't actually explained specifically what content he is suspecting.

I further push him to be specific about who he is scumreading at he responds with:

I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

I don't understand how you can sus the loki voters and also be null on roden

this feels like a contradiction to me.

I'm not heavily scumreading the Loki voters. And explain how is it a contradiction?

like um

which loki voters are you exactly sussing?

The ones who actually gave content so far. I can't read someone who made so few posts at all regardless of if they made a naked vote or not.

name names

Don't like Dannflor, mostly.

Now this is weird to me because

(1) he's given absolutely no indication prior to this point that Dannflor is a person of interest or suspect for him.

I did though, see my previous comments.

There's no indication in his iso that he suspects Dannflor at all.

(2) in fact he even sheeps Dannflor with this vote:

Dear God, this whole "I don't get scumread" thing is insufferable.
I don't think it's necessarily scummy, because the same thing happened somewhat in Terminator, but it IS obnoxious and makes the game way harder to follow for anyone else.


Anyway,
VOTE: Greeting
Ignoring the actual substance of posts in favor of superficial "tells" is probably as scummy as it's gonna get D1.

Did a reread of the whole game so far, yeah I can sheep this.
VOTE: Greeting

I can sheep a case by someone else that someone I sussed is voting too.

(3) all of his responses to me feel manufactured on the spot and not part of an actual thought process to find scum. I would guess that his initial comment about the Loki voters wasn't real suspicion and really just playing on Loki's extreme sensitivity to being suspected to try to pocket Loki. Which is why he is having such a hard time actually showing any thought process that involves actually pushing or suspecting any of the people who naked voted Loki to begin with.

No that's just my writing style. I'm always sorta detached from the game.

[KittyTacky]

I suppose KittyTacky could be mafia.
Attached easily to the Greeting wagon but made a retort about Dannflor without committing.
I‘d like the right to tinfoil on this some more.

Because Dann isn't a strong read for me. -_-

[KittyTacky]

669 is a decent scumcase and probably my favourite of Vivax's content all game. Which makes me lean towards scum/scum, plus I was already leaning that way earlier after that weird vote on Dannflor.

Yeah, if I’m actually wrong on Kitty, this would probably be the most compelling argument to me based off my experience playing with him.

Yeah that Dannflor vote made absolutely no sense. I also wonder why Kitty would single out Dann who did a 180 on me when it’s Vivax who has continued to push me not Dann.

@Kitty, why aren’t you suspicious of Vivax?

I am, actually. It does seem like an opportunistic scum voting LHF. I'm willing to vote between Greeting/Vivax.

[KittyTacky]

@Kitty, I would really like your read on Vivax. Can we not run him up before this gets answered please?

Rather scummy.

I just... do poorly in mountainous games as I found out. It's slightly demoralizing having no play around PRs to find scum/town with.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Vivax

Sheeping.

[KittyTacky]

I just... do poorly in mountainous games as I found out. It's slightly demoralizing having no play around PRs to find scum/town with.

what other mountainous games have you played

this feels like a wack excuse for not playing, like what do you do in non-mountainous games when you roll Vanilla Townie? Even if we had a ton of PRs, even if YOU were a PR, we'd still have no info for D1, how does that excuse detached D1 play?

1. None on-site, some on Discord tho.
2.1 I am playing, just I feel I'm doing so poorly and I don't know what to do.
2.2 I still try to play around PRs. Not their results, but how people respond to claims and speculation etc etc.

[KittyTacky]

Vivax is all over the place for me.

Kitty hasn't done anything. I get "Meta says they're always like this"
but even for that, I'm not seeing any hyper posting which they say they're capable of.

I hyperopost when I see something that I latch on to.

[KittyTacky]

I didn't play too well. GG.