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Are we finally town together or nah?In post 18, Alianna wrote:Many reasons?
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Oh NOW she's willing to vote him immediately.
Sorry, couldn't help it, Bella- Somnus
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In post 38, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It's Enchant.
Likely a fake claim.
I don't particularly like it.
VOTE: EnchantI don't put much stock in a page 2 claim, especially in this setup, but why would this be scum indicative? Like, is the thought that Enchant decided to fake-claim as mafia here thinking we'd all keep him around just for his alleged Night 5 result? I'm not being snarky here. I'm genuinely curious.
I meant to do my homework and look at if this is the kind of setup where mass-claim even matters at some point or if Day 1/2 PRs are considered more valuable than 4/5, but Youtube was beckoning and 1 video led to 14 and here we are.- Somnus
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I'm absolutely heart-broken. I was expecting to be called a clodpole and I got this instead.In post 39, Not_Mafia wrote:Hello friends New and old Let’s embrace the spirit of co-operation and work together I can’t wait to weed out the the 3 traitors among us Hopefully nobody comes out of a vent and we can have a victory royale as the kids say Don’t worry there won’t be any hard feelings I know it’s just your role PM making you betray us Afterwards I’m sure you can rejoin our little community for afternoon tea Most importantly let’s all be respectful and have FUN!- Somnus
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I mean, yeah, if a Night 5 cop survived to Night 5 to use their power, they would become the most important PR in the game. I think the fact that the game isn't guaranteed to get to a Day 6, as well as the fact that it would require ridiculous amounts of scum incompetence or a whole bunch of doctor saves in a row to even get a N5 Cop to that point, makes it a pretty ineffective role.In post 50, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Somnus, imagine there was an actual N5 Cop, how do you suspect that goes?
More so if that someone is not familiar with Enchant. N5 is a strange choice as scum I guess, but still, I don't particularly like it.- Somnus
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Good to know. Sometime within the next couple days, I want to take a quick skim through a handful of the previous games in this setup. I wasn't sure if this is one of those setups where mass-claim at some point tends to give town an advantage.In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think d2 massclaim is rather common and I don't think it's that badIn post 45, Somnus wrote:In post 38, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It's Enchant.
Likely a fake claim.
I don't particularly like it.
VOTE: EnchantI don't put much stock in a page 2 claim, especially in this setup, but why would this be scum indicative? Like, is the thought that Enchant decided to fake-claim as mafia here thinking we'd all keep him around just for his alleged Night 5 result? I'm not being snarky here. I'm genuinely curious.
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I'm going to put my neck out on the line already and say this wagon is a bad idea. To the few of you who were just in Deputy Cultists, Enchant claimed his PR role on Day 1 in that game as well. Granted, it was known that there was exactly one Day 4 Governor, so it's not the exact same situation. But I'm hard opposed to this already.- Somnus
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He could, sure. And we're probably treading into the deep waters of WIFOM and without knowing the ins and outs of how this setup tends to play out, my gut tells me that claiming on page 2 probably wasn't the best idea.
But since he did, does claiming Night 5 Cop as mafia seem like a +EV play here? Do you think he discussed this in a PT with 2 hypothetically buddies pre-game as a good idea or just decided to like...wing it as mafia out of boredom as soon as the game started?- Somnus
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Was actually looking forward to playing with a former scum-buddy of mine. Oh well
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I agree and I don't think it was a good idea (again, not familiar with the history of how this setup tends to play out). But I think it's a far worse play as mafia.In post 80, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I think claiming early in that manner was an anti-town act that i expect town to be more careful about. That’s all.In post 72, Somnus wrote:He could, sure. And we're probably treading into the deep waters of WIFOM and without knowing the ins and outs of how this setup tends to play out, my gut tells me that claiming on page 2 probably wasn't the best idea.
But since he did, does claiming Night 5 Cop as mafia seem like a +EV play here? Do you think he discussed this in a PT with 2 hypothetically buddies pre-game as a good idea or just decided to like...wing it as mafia out of boredom as soon as the game started?- Somnus
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I guess? I mean, there's multiple cops that could check him. I wouldn't want multiple cops wasting their 1-shot on it though.In post 86, Bellaphant wrote:Hi and-ancy!
@somnus, is it? Generally yes, but this enchant, day one elim bait...so even people processing it and saying 'eh let's leave this a day ' is a net positive for scum.- Somnus
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Are you normally this skeptical of people you're hard town-reading? I see "too scummy to be scum" thrown around on this site way too much, but I don't think I've ever heard of "too townie to be town".In post 324, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I want you to be town, but like… it’s like you feel 2 townie 2 b town.
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Agree that her ISO doesn't look great. I have some conflicting thoughts on this and want to see how it plays out. Not really concerned if this puts me under the radar or if some of these thoughts are admittedly bad, but here's where I'm at with her:
1.) I'm really careful about scum-reading someone just for making some jokey posts in the early phases of a game. I actually enjoy when people are light-hearted in games to make it not such a serious slog 24/7. That's why even though Not_Mafia is kind of a pain in the ass to get serious thoughts out of, I enjoy having people like him in the game.
2.) It's no secret that Alianna is one of my favorite people on the site. We've played a couple games together and spectated a couple of games together. I'm only in this game because she dragged me into it. I wasn't super into this setup and thought it looked insanely town-sided (although, according to the wiki, mafia is actually ahead of town in this setup, although it was last edited in 2018). This is an objectively terrible reason, admittedly, but I'm going to feel really really bad if less than 24 hours into this game, I bandwagon her off and she flips town. I'm not saying I'm unwilling to vote there today, but I'm not willing to pile on and get her speed-voted out of this game right away. I want to see how things play out with her now that she has a wagon forming on her first. If this makes me look bad, so be it. I'm not concerned with how I look.
3.) Even though I'm quite familiar with her play, she's never rolled scum on this site. All of her games have been town. When we've played together, I've never had to legit read her, because both times, I was scum and she was town. So yes, I'm going to be a little patient here in trying to determine her alignment. I'm not dodging the situation. I'm approaching it carefully for the time being.- Somnus
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Hilariously, the two slots I don't see myself voting today so far are the two that have been deemed "low-hanging fruit". I think Enchant is town and for reasons that I'd rather not point out yet that may also be terrible, I think Not_Mafia is town (I'm not opposed to a cop check here at some point though).- Somnus
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NorwegianboyEE wrote:Oh it's not the end of the world.
(Idk why, but i almost always feel tranquil and relaxed when i'm scum. It's like nothing get's to me. Big advice if you ever want to catch scum!me.)
I read Open 833 (Twin Trap) about a month ago. I'm going here for the time being and would like to see some thoughts on this player (who was correct in that I have a likeable face!).NorwegianboyEE wrote:It's like a great friend of me once said, it's not about what scum!Norwee does. It's about what he doesn't do.
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BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Somnus and Gamma would be great cop checks.
Protect myself or Fun times if Docs.
Thanks.
Lord, I hope if there was a Night 1 Doctor, they didn't waste it here. And if you are even town in this game, why on flat Earth would mafia target you? You've been an asset to mafia so far. Do you consider yourself widely town-read in this game for some reason? The lack of self-awareness here is stunning.- Somnus
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If I were a Night 1 Doctor, you know who I'm protecting?
Ausuka wrote:On an Ali scumflip my current reads are
Bella, Gamma, froggo, Enchant are all townreads
fun times, bbt (I don't see them as partners) are also pretty likely to be town
Norway, NM, and goldish could go either way
Somnus and PP should be under suspicionAusuka wrote:I think 333 feels like a partner post, particularly considering the precondition of "these thoughts might be bad" and the emphasis on his personal relationship with her. It's like Somnus wants to push back against the pressure but is somewhat afraid to do so.Ausuka wrote:
Like the way he's so focused on how resisting the wagon would make him look is really bad imoIn post 333, Somnus wrote:I want to see how things play out with her now that she has a wagon forming on her first. If this makes me look bad, so be it. I'm not concerned with how I look.
If I die get this guy d2
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I mostly stick to reading Newbies and Opens. I skim mini normals. I usually don't bother to read theme games or any larges in general. But I digress.In post 681, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Ehehehe I had fun in Democrabilities. I hope that doesn't come back to haunt me lol. Please rest assured that I'm not scum this time..... or am I??In post 673, Somnus wrote:Ehhhh....I can't really deal with this right now and I'm on a couple hours of sleep. But I'm just going to point out to Goldfish that I've read Democrabilities (including the mafia PT thread) so I'm kind of at a quandary here as far as how to proceed with you.
(Glad you're here though regardless.)
Also how do you find the time to read literally every single game on this site? I don't understand it.
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It's more the odds that you ended up a Night 1 cop and investigated me when I was largely town-read except by Asuka, who was only scum-reading me because they prematurely decided Alianna was absolutely going to flip red and that I somehow must have been Alianna's scum-partner who was terrified to vote her off less than 24 hours into the game. A ridiculous conclusion on their part, but it happened.
And the fact that by your own admission in a game just a couple of months ago, this is the EXACT kind of gambit that you like to do as mafia. If anyone else in this game were making this claim, I'm not saying I'd lock-town them, but I'd be a lot less skeptical. And it seems to be a common play by scum from what little research I've done on the setup. So like...yeah I don't know how to approach this at the moment. Probably not something I'm going to explore too heavily right this moment, but it's alarming to me.- Somnus
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Disagree. It's the same kind of gambit, but different scenarios. In Democrabilities, that was entering eLo. Here, it would be a disaster for you if your partner went down (or you somehow did) in a game where town is seemingly and happily trying to speedrun a loss as quick as possible.
I have to ask: how much of the game had you read when you decided you were going to investigate me?- Somnus
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I didn't have a pre-conceived answer I was looking for. I've had weird vibes from that slot since the start of the game, and it has nothing to do with RP'ing a character. Whether I got an immediate answer from it or not had no bearing on whether I felt it was appropriate to put out an early-game vote on a slot that I wasn't (and still aren't) town-reading.In post 749, froggodoggo wrote:
what were u looking for from this post? you vote norwee soon after anyways without them responding to itIn post 330, Somnus wrote:
Are you normally this skeptical of people you're hard town-reading? I see "too scummy to be scum" thrown around on this site way too much, but I don't think I've ever heard of "too townie to be town".In post 324, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I want you to be town, but like… it’s like you feel 2 townie 2 b town.
How do you think people should read you? Do you think you behave an certain way as scum?
What makes it a weird vote? The fact that it wasn't automatically on the leading wagon that ended up flipping town barely 24 hours into the game?In post 750, froggodoggo wrote:not getting much else from d1 other than somnus & enchant both have weird votes that were off-wagon and that BBT mightve said the thing abt the docs to guarantee a kill on ausuka
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I do kind of agree with this though. Not_Mafia has been active and is clearly making observations, but virtually all of it just feels like casting 1-liners/shade and then moving on to the next person. Just kind of circling around to everyone (except maybe myself?), rinse, and repeat.In post 774, froggodoggo wrote:
i'm asking you to give reads and push stuff instead of constantly shading me and making snarky comments. i saw one post from you with actual reads on people and i want more. with the amount of things you comment on ur clearly reading this game so what gives?In post 766, Not_Mafia wrote:
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when is this happening?In post 234, Not_Mafia wrote:It's a bit early to be forming definitive opinions don't you think- Somnus
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Just Goldfish today and Enchant at the start of the game.In post 793, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also did another cop claim happen today beyond Goldfish or did I dream that up?- Somnus
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What do you want from me?In post 786, Somnus wrote:I've had weird vibes from that slot since the start of the game, and it has nothing to do with RP'ing a character.
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Mentioned it already, but this feels weird to me and feels like you're trying to look like you're solving without actually doing so. We were in that gross RVS stage of the game and you were fully aware of that so like...why is this a concern?In post 32, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Please give me the exposition as to why this is your primary mode of conduct.In post 12, Somnus wrote:I will be voting for the last person to join the game.
Why?In post 64, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
The early claim get’s the early limIn post 36, Enchant wrote:Because it's unlikely i live long anyway, i hardclaim N5 Cop.
VOTE: Enchant
I agree. It's not beneficial to town. But is it more likely to come from mafia or town?In post 80, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I think claiming early in that manner was an anti-town act that i expect town to be more careful about. That’s all.In post 72, Somnus wrote:He could, sure. And we're probably treading into the deep waters of WIFOM and without knowing the ins and outs of how this setup tends to play out, my gut tells me that claiming on page 2 probably wasn't the best idea.
But since he did, does claiming Night 5 Cop as mafia seem like a +EV play here? Do you think he discussed this in a PT with 2 hypothetically buddies pre-game as a good idea or just decided to like...wing it as mafia out of boredom as soon as the game started?
This feels like a reach.In post 85, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Now Enchant is visibly struggling with the deep philosophy of making an "good post" in a game of mafia. An thought resurfacing from the entrenched depths of an scum mindset for sure.
I may have missed it, but did you elaborate on this in regards to Nancy?In post 114, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Noting this for later.In post 102, Fun Times wrote:
Why would you do this?In post 36, Enchant wrote:Because it's unlikely i live long anyway, i hardclaim N5 Cop.
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How? What changed here?In post 174, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hmm somehow my intuition is telling me that maybe Enchant isn't scum.
Indeed. What if?In post 184, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What if i use humour to cope the fact that i rolled scum.
To both you and Frog: How did I avoid answering the question? My response in the form of a question was clearly pointing out that people were doing the usual dumb RVS thing. How would "voting for the last person to join the game" be a vote with any less merit than a random RVS vote? This feels extremely disingenuous...like you're doing me a favor by not pushing me on this or something while still pointing out, "Yeah, weird that he avoided the question" (which I clearly didn't).In post 244, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Oh, yeah i know they avoided the question. But i didn't feel like being an pushy ass so early in the game.In post 242, froggodoggo wrote:
somnus didnt really answer ur question and u didnt seem to mindIn post 240, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I don't know what you mean.In post 195, froggodoggo wrote:i think somnus' reaction to norwee's question on an early page was townie. altho not a fan of norwee not pushing for a response. norwee can u tell me what thats about? 33 and 34
In post 323, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ausuka are you always this smooth talking.
I still don't get the "2 townie 2 b town" thing. Tin-foil hat theory: this is the kind of thing you say to someone so that later, you can go, "Why would I possibly have night-killed them???"In post 324, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I want you to be town, but like… it’s like you feel 2 townie 2 b town.
How do you think people should read you? Do you think you behave an certain way as scum?
I didn't read the game to get a better read on you. As I said, I read the game a month ago. I've also read Newbie 2089 as it was ongoing. I don't recognize the person from that game at all at this point. Not going to go hardcore into meta stuff because it's MOSTLY whatever, but worth noting regardless. I see a lot more similarities to the Twin Trap-you than the Newbie 2089-you.In post 344, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ohh i like that you read an previous game to get an better read on me.In post 341, Somnus wrote:NorwegianboyEE wrote:Oh it's not the end of the world.
(Idk why, but i almost always feel tranquil and relaxed when i'm scum. It's like nothing get's to me. Big advice if you ever want to catch scum!me.)
I read Open 833 (Twin Trap) about a month ago. I'm going here for the time being and would like to see some thoughts on this player (who was correct in that I have a likeable face!).NorwegianboyEE wrote:It's like a great friend of me once said, it's not about what scum!Norwee does. It's about what he doesn't do.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
Somnus likely town.
This isn't a bad vote considering what Alianna had done up to this point (and after), but why?In post 345, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
OkIn post 329, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hey there, Norwegian.
I am going to need your vote on the Alianna wagon my friend. How about it?
VOTE: Alianna
This is fair.In post 530, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
You didn't exactly do much to save them.In post 529, Enchant wrote:Also i was right hahahahahahahahah i am smarter than half of town hahahhahgahahah
I even asked you why they were town and you just left.
So is your vote on Gamma in Day 2 to gain information or is it an actual scum-read? If it's an actual scum-read, this doesn't seem like a valid reason to change your vote.In post 626, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Alright.In post 622, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm honestly probably embellishing my confidence a bit but I still think the most confident pushes on Alianna were probably all town-motivated and that includes Andante
Anyway your arguments on me are very tunneling in nature so i don’t think there will be anything to gain from being on you at this moment.
VOTE: N_M
Their posts today are really lacking self-awareness. I doubt they don’t know that Alianna flipped town.
I'd like to know this as well. I mean, she did answer it during the very very brief window that she's actually been here and participating in the game, but so far I have not even remotely appreciated how the cops/cop claims have played in this game whatsoever, and it feels like town has willingly pissed away their most useful abilities to solve this game already.In post 738, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Why did you claim your result so early?In post 662, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:I'm a night 1 cop, Somnus is town
I'm certainly not town-reading Goldfish for a variety of reasons thus far, but I'm not willing to make this leap already.In post 823, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think mechanically, the argument to lim Goldfish is sound.
If they are mafia then that's a win.
If they are town that's unfortunate because we didn't hit scum, but they are town that already had an check. Meaning we won't lose any more town power. And if we have N2 doctor they can protect an confirmed town!Somnus that night. And even if we don't have an doctor for that night, mafia doesn't know that. So Somnus would likely not die anyway since any doctor worth their salt should be protecting our only conf!town in that instance.- Somnus
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What is it about me that causes such extreme interest as to create thought dumps? (Internal monologue, you may ignore this)In post 844, Somnus wrote:In post 812, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
What do you want from me?In post 786, Somnus wrote:I've had weird vibes from that slot since the start of the game, and it has nothing to do with RP'ing a character.
I have prepared a thought-dump for you. I don't expect answers/reactions to most of these. It's mostly just in response to this so that you don't feel like I'm avoiding this. Stand by.
By the way i feel much more healthy than i did earlier so i can finally play this more like i want to!
My interest is that you're a scum-read. It doesn't go beyond that. I can't really get much out of some of the other players who I'm not town-reading, so at the very least, I appreciate that you're involved in the game and I'm glad you're feeling better.- Somnus
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I'm kinda having a hard time getting back into the game at the moment. I'm here and I'm reading. I'm just kind of at a loss right now. Part of it is stuff I'm dealing with, part of it is that I haven't been particularly interested in the Enchant vs. Norwee or Fun Times vs. BlueBlood shit-throwing, and part of it is that there's several players who I don't have the slightest clue where they stand or what any of their reads are. Part of that is from a slot replacement, part of it is from a slot that made a brief cameo in this game, declared an innocent check on me, and then bailed, and part of it is none of the above.
Not_Mafia: You've made a lot of quick, 1-line observations, but I can't tell who you town-read and who you scum-read.
Enchant: When you return from your 24 hour hiatus, can you elaborate on your scum-read of Norwegian? Like, yeah I know, anime avatar. But what else?
Penguin: Aside from the jake vote I guess I need to go back through your ISO later tonight before I go to bed. I know there was the post about Norwegian/BlueBlood about meta a while back. I know you've had opinions. I guess I'm just hoping you can elaborate on some of them more.
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In post 1091, Not_Mafia wrote:
I scumread Froggo slot I'd think that was obviousIn post 1071, Somnus wrote:Not_Mafia: You've made a lot of quick, 1-line observations, but I can't tell who you town-read and who you scum-read.
Nooooooo be nice! I’m on very little sleep!!!- Somnus
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In post 12, Somnus wrote:Hello, I enjoy the taste of human flesh and blood! Who areweTHE MAFIA sacrificing this fine day?
I will be voting for the last person to join the game.
Better get this out of the way real quick while I still have the chance.In post 35, Somnus wrote:That's sweet. I feel pocketed already but I'm a sucker for compliments.
I still will be voting for the last person to join the game. It probably won't mean much though, and even less now that I've explained it. But I'm a man of my word.
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Yeah. I'd rather we find other reasons to lim me.
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Yeah I suppose.
1.)It's a game with a lot of cops and doctors. Could be checking to see if there was a check his predecessor had made (if he had a night 1 role) rather than assuming people would have informed him of such a thing when he replaced in.
2.) Maybe he just has a weird style of approaching the game, particularly as a replace in?
3.) Wanted to first understand why his predecessor had votes on them before catching up?
I don't know. I'm not really interested in, nor have a reason in defending him. He just replaced in and assuming he's caught up tomorrow, I'd like to hear his reads.- Somnus
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I'm not his speaker and I'm not interested in defending him. In a game where people are being as cryptic as possible with their reads and the reasoning behind their reads, I'd appreciate getting reads from someone who just replaced in, even if I wasn't town-reading his predecessor. So you can kindly "boot it".- Somnus
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In post 1124, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
I must admit it to everyone, that I have told a mistruth. I have not come to save your kind from the malevolent forces of the Mafia, but to instead destroy those whom appose our might. Fear not, your death will be swift and painless as I, lord of all that is evil and dark, shall slay this town like a pig.In post 1120, PenguinPower wrote:
okay so scummy...and something that would be much better served iso'ing the slots that placed the votes.In post 1115, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I think the main reason why I wod ISO Froggo is to see if they claimed anything dumb that needs retracting and redacting. Another reason would be to see, with my own eyes, why froggo had 4ish votes accordion to the_worst's votecount.
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Welcome back. Can you convince the concerned citizens of this town who is worthy of your bullet of justice, and perhaps just as importantly, why?In post 1292, Enchant wrote:I am Vigilante.- Somnus
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In post 1338, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Do you think if Goldfish is telling the truth that losing Somnus is a massive loss for town right now?
I'm really flattered by the obsession with me, particularly since you don't think I'm scum. Getting people to explain their reads has mostly been a chore in this game, and no one has really had much of anything to ask me or discuss with me since Goldfish's questionable cameo, so I don't really have much to offer at this point and not really feeling that it's worth me going into try-hard mode.
But uhh...Happy Birthday.
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This baggage you're carrying from our last game isn't doing you any good. There's a reason half the playerlist doesn't bother to engage with you. You approach every conversation like a screaming toddler. This is about the extent of time I care to waste on you today. Enjoy your day.In post 1388, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm flattered you think I'm obsessed with you.
Thanks for proving my point about you being no loss to town though, I guess.- Somnus
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I still don't particularly buy that I was checked. Kinda hard to come to any conclusions on it considering the slot has been vacant for all but roughly 2 hours during the 10 days or whatever that this game has lasted.In post 1387, Enchant wrote:Imagine having friends who join with you only to check you N1 to ruin your mafia game, and leave if not.
That's what i could say best friend material. - Somnus
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