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What does this mean?
Not sure what you're trying to say here.In post 22, inutile wrote:yeah your opener pretty paint by numbers but you're aware so
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vote someone
say something about someone else in same post
encourage engagement
make an early read!!- Ausuka
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Ok, am I mafia?In post 26, inutile wrote:was saying it felt like a sort of
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"this is how to post at the beginning of the game" thing
like especially the first post is textbook "how to rvs"- Ausuka
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I didn't really know. I mean, I think talking about my opener being textbook RVS seems somewhat nonsensical? It's the very start of the game, there aren't many options.In post 27, inutile wrote:
though i am now kinda curious what else you could have thought i was trying to say there (also to me i am simply saying it not trying to say but i understand that i am often unclear and am happy to clarify)In post 25, Ausuka wrote:Not sure what you're trying to say here.
I don't really have a feeling about hoppip. Maybe I will later, idk.
Pedit: I'm trying to ask, like, what are you getting at with what you're saying? Were you just narrating my play?- Ausuka
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In post 30, inutile wrote:it means i was asking if ausuka has/had a non-alignment related feeling as i did/or at least did after hoppip's first post- Ausuka
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I think 22 is weird considering you say you're not scumreading me - tonally it doesn't sit right with me, especially the double exclamation pointsIn post 40, inutile wrote:can you at least do whatever it is you would do to sort me as it feels like the extent of your scumread if you're town is simply that i do not communicate effectively which is obvious and i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
What mafias should I be looking at right now instead?
Why?In post 41, Frogsterking wrote:Inutile and Asuka both townlocked.- Ausuka
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Is it you?In post 47, Frogsterking wrote:Also Asuka, the irony in your statement about the mafias is that there is 1 scum who is findable already. You didn't notice them because you were distracted by your fight with inutile.
You seem to have this idea in your head that I'm tunneled because I voted someone on page 2. Maybe I just don't agree with your read? Who knows.- Ausuka
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I mean, you said I didn't notice your read because I was distracted by fighting with inutile. That seems to imply my read with inutile is distracting me from reading other players somehow. I am suggesting that your scumread is not that obvious and you should talk about it because there's no use in being vague about that information.In post 51, Frogsterking wrote:
You're the only one who said anything about being tunneled, I just said you were Town. You can't say I've implied you have bad reads either because I'm trusting your read on Ghandi.In post 49, Ausuka wrote:You seem to have this idea in your head that I'm tunneled- Ausuka
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I mean, inutile seems to have a pretty blatant anxious sort of personality. and like, I don't think anyone would be confusing on purpose? So I'm unclear why you're scumreading them for this hereIn post 76, DeltaWave wrote:
frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks badIn post 73, hoppip wrote:
What do you think of the rest of its posts?In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile- Ausuka
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thanks bestieIn post 69, hoppip wrote:Oops, I missed this earlier! I don't mind if you pocket me today, so sure!
Hoppip would you say you're trying to shift your playstyle on this alt? I'm not asking you to out your main or anything but I think it'd be useful to knowIn post 91, hoppip wrote:
Hi Nuclear Ghandi! Can you read my post again? It looks like you missed the point of what I was saying.In post 87, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
Shading can only be done by wolves? Unless I've a misunderstanding of the word, I don't quite understand how you could not wolfread DeltaWave if you genuinely think they're shading someone.In post 82, hoppip wrote:
Hmm...I suppose that's fair. But I'm not so sure that "looks bad" is the same as "looks scummy." For instance, I think it looks bad that you're shading Inutile for superficial reasons. But do you think that's scummy?In post 76, DeltaWave wrote:
frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks badIn post 73, hoppip wrote:
What do you think of the rest of its posts?In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
This could be Chainsaw Defense done by you, but as that wiki says - Chainsawing is mostly likely if you and inutile are both wolves here, so it's not all that damning for you unless inutile flips red.- Ausuka
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Do you think scum would admit guilt so openly?In post 89, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
Does anyone else believe this's a stretch read?
But you were trying to look town? I consider this as admission for guilt.eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town- Ausuka
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I think you're reading too much into the wording and it was just saying "I disagree with your interpretation"In post 104, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:Not intentionally, no. But perhaps you can explain to me why would the thought "how much I tried to appeared towny?" pop in a townies thought process or why would the answer ever be above zero? To me it's not a natural towny thing to think about and, at the very least, indicative for >rand wolf slot.
I think this is a fairly townie response though- Ausuka
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I'd like if you could elaborate on your townreads.In post 113, furtiveglance wrote:Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave
Can you elaborate on your thoughts on 83 as well? I really do not see what you're seeing there- Ausuka
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Hi - I do kind of see why people are going after Delta but I don't see it right now. I think furtive is more suspicious than anyone else and him broadly agreeing with your view on the gamestate doesn't really convince me otherwiseIn post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hi Ausuka, I think you're town and this is a bad vote. Change it please?- Ausuka
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Ok, the townreads don't do a lot for me but to be fair it is very early in the game, soIn post 143, furtiveglance wrote:
I missed this intially because I posted right after. I townread you for the progression on inutile, it looked natural. Frogsterking is making a lot of reads early on which I usually find towny. Inutile and Hoppip both just seem to have an innocent kind of energy, I can see their approaches to the game being from a town perspective.In post 120, Ausuka wrote:
I'd like if you could elaborate on your townreads.In post 113, furtiveglance wrote:Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave
Can you elaborate on your thoughts on 83 as well? I really do not see what you're seeing there
83 interested me because DeltaWave says Hoppip is acting sus after their interaction in 82, in which Hoppip said DeltaWave 'shaded Inutile for superficial reasons', which is what it looked like to me as well. Hence I called it a delayed omgus.
I don't think hoppip was really calling Delta suspicious in post 82. He seemed to be saying that Delta's point is bad but he's not necessarily scum for it. In any case, I'm still not really sure what you mean and why you find it suspicious - it's only one post after so not really delayed, and anyway don't you think town could suspect someone who they're in some sort of confrontation with? The idea of 'delayed omgus' just feels off to me honestly.- Ausuka
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It's mostly vibes. The main thing I would say I don't like is his post pushing delta, more specifically I think the thing about "delayed omgus" feels artificial and I think is unlikely to come from a natural thought process.In post 164, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Ausuka, can you talk to me about why Furtive is scum please?- Ausuka
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I think the inutile read is pretty convincing but I'm townreading it anyway.
One thing I'm wondering about is that you implied you townread me pretty heavily earlier but now are saying you don't think I've been scumhunting much - did your read change or something?- Ausuka
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Do you disagree that town often suspect people who suspect them? I feel like you're pushing a scum!Delta possibility without really considering the other side of things. Like, there is indeed a world where Delta decided to scumread hoppip because he misinterpreted their post as a scumread and wanted to push back against it, but I don't see why you think it's likely, which I was hoping to get you to explain because I think it's a stretchy read.In post 171, furtiveglance wrote:Ok, you're right that delayed omgus isn't the right term. It's a knee-jerk reaction nonetheless, it felt to me that DeltaWave didn't want to allow Hoppip to put a bit of sus on them without getting the last word. As to whether or not Hoppip did put sus on DeltaWave, I would argue the answer is yes, whether intentional or otherwise. They said that DeltaWave 'looked bad' to them. So I read into that a bit, I thought DeltaWave looked worse from the whole interaction. I understand your issue with buzzwords like 'omgus', I have the same thing. But in this case I thought it was notable that DeltaWave didn't let it slide, they said they would respond later but made the point of saying that hoppip was being 'somewhat sus'- Ausuka
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I mean I think you and furtive are right about Eiralox, but it's not like it's a hard sentiment to fake.In post 178, Greeting wrote:
Good. I second this sentiment.In post 174, furtiveglance wrote: Another thing - I don't get the refusal to share. This game is about co-operation. If you repeatedly refuse to talk you're transgressing, which may get you a sanction. And 3 sanctions is a full desadulation. And I might vote you for the simple crime of not talking.
This + his reads (113; I mean I kinda disagree withhoppip, but it's still a valid read from a town point of view - speaking of122) + the earlier quoted post makes me thinkfurtiveglanceis town.- Ausuka
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I'm aware, and I'm not as confident about this as I would be if you had made such a read later in the game. But I'm just saying it doesn't seem like your read on Delta came from a genuine thought process; if I'm mafia here and Delta is town I would probably want to vote Delta here, he feels like an easier push than other people who have been present so far. So when I feel like you decided he's scum and then made up the reasons it's concerning to me.- Ausuka
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Because I think pushing teamsolves on day 1 is a bad idea and is pretty likely to misdirect our attention. Talk of associatives now is just noise. I think this is a pretty obvious answer, what are you hoping to get out of this line of questioning?In post 263, Frogsterking wrote:
Okay and why bring it up?In post 260, Ausuka wrote:You, eiralox, and Delta have all been doing it quite a lot iirc- Ausuka
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It's not substantially different. Anyone else can correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's really obvious why I would criticise team solving. I think it's also extremely obvious who I was talking about there. Like super extremely blatantly obvious to the point where I do not think this is a real train of thought from you.- Ausuka
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I thought last night this was likely because I couldn't understand Frog's thought process at all. Right now I think we view the game so differently that this line of reasoning is probably useless.In post 284, hoppip wrote:
Do you think it's fake confusion? Or do you think they're playing dumb?In post 280, Ausuka wrote:Like hmm who could this post about several people making teamsolves in the thread be about??? Maybe the people who have been doing that repetitively, in this thread, open for everyone to read- Ausuka
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Kind of surprised you're calling Delta out for his push against Juice, because honestly it felt like one of the least scummy examples of that. I think furtive and hutmeil both came off looking worse.In post 247, Eiralox wrote:In post 246, DeltaWave wrote:
OH yeah that must be why I'm still voting inutileIn post 245, Eiralox wrote:it's page 10. so? juice is still null. im not against any votes there but data-wise iffy. why do I get the feeling that you're hunting for easy elims Delta?
Try to make up better rationales please
despite 'common consensus' inutile is very elimable today, we all are in theory. i think they are town but hey they are def still a poss. and when you voted inutile, well, at that point it did seem an easy elim?
and you voting one place doesnt mean im not gonna analyze your pushes where you don't vote? what logic even is that? i'm only allowed to comment on where you vote? while your early scum on juice has been reinforced here? better rationale? no. I like my rationale right here, trained on you.
sooooo yeah................... i'll wait for gandhi but you're starting to really sell me on delta/hoppip here.
Juice is supreme limbait. I don't have any strong evidence that they're town (I suppose play like this is somewhat +town just because if they were scum their partners would probably bully them into not doing this?) but I do agree that pushes there raise eyebrows to some extent.- Ausuka
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I'm going to be honest, I don't see the Delta read - I don't agree that scum are more likely to respond defensively and aggressively in the way he did to you, and I think Delta is likely to be town hereIn post 258, Eiralox wrote:delta/hoppip isn't a team solve to me, but a blatant pattern that i feel delta is trying very hard to veer past for whatever reason. if i felt town on either slot I woulda let it slide, but I don't.
That said I don't really suspect you either - you feel like you have conviction and I sort of understand where your Delta read comes from at least. It shows a level of solving that experienced scum can definitely fake but I think is probably +town for you here.
I don't think hoppip is a bad place to look though, his posting hasn't really whelmed me and the push on Delta felt slightly slimy in the sense that "if he was town he would have brought up his meta in response to my post" doesn't feel like a real thought? Does anyone else, like, understand this line of reasoning? If people do it might just be a me thing, but otherwise I don't like the read- Ausuka
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I think this post is scummy - part of it is just that it feels a bit slimy? But I'm particular I don't get the eiralox read and I think the push on Juice is opportunistic and unlikely to lead to much while being a seemingly safe route for scum - I think town would be more likely to expand on the BBT read or push Eiralox harder since it's more likely to generate AI content at this stageIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
VOTE: Juice- Ausuka
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I feel like this was meant to be a sarcastic comment to imply I'm defending Juice when I shouldn't be but I unironically think thisIn post 329, furtiveglance wrote:
You don't think Juice can defend themself?In post 324, Ausuka wrote:
I think this post is scummy - part of it is just that it feels a bit slimy? But I'm particular I don't get the eiralox read and I think the push on Juice is opportunistic and unlikely to lead to much while being a seemingly safe route for scum - I think town would be more likely to expand on the BBT read or push Eiralox harder since it's more likely to generate AI content at this stageIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
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Ok, that's not what I'm saying but go ahead, I can't stop you but you're not going to stop me scumreading your play eitherIn post 337, furtiveglance wrote:
I'm tired of being told some players are too scummy to be pushed. I want to reward players who try.In post 335, Ausuka wrote:I disagree. I mean, it's certainly reasonable to not townread Juice, but I think having them as your top scumread this early is just safe and boring. They are borderline unreadable at this stage. Later we might have more content, a new player in the slot, whatever.- Ausuka
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In post 340, furtiveglance wrote:
I disagree that they're unreadable, I read their posting as scum. I'm townreading quite a few players, so why not vote a low content slot?In post 338, Ausuka wrote:
Ok, that's not what I'm saying but go ahead, I can't stop you but you're not going to stop me scumreading your play eitherIn post 337, furtiveglance wrote:
I'm tired of being told some players are too scummy to be pushed. I want to reward players who try.In post 335, Ausuka wrote:I disagree. I mean, it's certainly reasonable to not townread Juice, but I think having them as your top scumread this early is just safe and boring. They are borderline unreadable at this stage. Later we might have more content, a new player in the slot, whatever.
What do you think of eiralox and bbt now thenIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
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You could equally ask why scum Juice would do that. It's not good play as either alignment. I have no particular love for that slot and I'm sure they'll probably be eliminated at some point unless there's a replacement but I stand by the idea pushing them as your primary scumread at this point is safe and boring and somewhat scum indicative as a result.In post 354, DeltaWave wrote:why would town!juice do that? it doesn't shake out- Ausuka
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I mean, this is generally just true because more people are town than mafia. I feel like you're trying to make a point about my play with this but not sure what it is.In post 358, furtiveglance wrote:
I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.In post 357, Ausuka wrote:That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.- Ausuka
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Who is town or mafia in this game?In post 359, Mohab500 wrote:
I mean, in most cases doesn't recognising town mean you also recognise mafia as its either town or mafia?In post 358, furtiveglance wrote:
I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.In post 357, Ausuka wrote:That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.- Ausuka
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No. Juice could definitely be scum. I just think it's weird to pressure there instead of other scumreads at this point. Like, I don't have an issue with compromise eliminating them at some point, but I feel like this game has been lethargic almost from the start and I'm just dubious that this is the road we should be going down right now.In post 381, Greeting wrote:
You may be thinking that he's limbait, but looking into his ISO, is there anything to townreadIn post 324, Ausuka wrote:
I think this post is scummy - part of it is just that it feels a bit slimy? But I'm particular I don't get the eiralox read and I think the push on Juice is opportunistic and unlikely to lead to much while being a seemingly safe route for scum - I think town would be more likely to expand on the BBT read or push Eiralox harder since it's more likely to generate AI content at this stageIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
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