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4) ???In post 34, Frogsterking wrote:Frog's Strategy
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His argument was based on the fact that it's really uncommon for players to use plural 'mafias' instead of 'mafia', which in his eyes makes you look like you're trying to fit in.In post 77, inutile wrote:but yes i would like to find the mafias i do not really get what you’re saying
I think it's an exaggeration, but that's what I gathered from the interaction.- Greeting
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Catching up, I am happy to announce that bothintuileandAusukaare probably town.Frogsterkingless likely town than the other two, but still I think more likely town than scum.
What's so towny aboutfurtiveglance wrote: Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile,HoppipTownhoppip?- Greeting
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I have played withIn post 121, Ausuka wrote:I'd also like Greeting to elaborate on their reads I guessFrogsterkingbefore. He likes to troll around, and, in my experience, tone-wise, he usually falls into the category "too scummy to be scum". It's a meta read from experience, because not knowing that, his ISO is very confusing.
Still, there is a more obvious sign pointing to him being town: I completely agree with his reads from 41, and he was the first one in the thread to make this observation actually. Some of his later reads are admittedly a bit hurried, and shaky (such as 137), but to be fair this overall sounds like town!Frogactively sorting rather than scum!Frogthrowing random reads around. Maybe if he expands more on his reads, the townread will get more firm, but I'm happy to give him a townlean for now.
People don't tend to take him seriously because of the way he posts, butFrogsterkingcan be a pretty capable player if he wants to be.- Greeting
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The read onintuile/shiki is more of a tone/meta read too. I've played withintuile's other alts and she also played in a game I hosted. To be fair, if someone has so many alts, they could just play in a different way on each alt and no one would notice.Intuiletends to play the exact same way tone-wise when she's town, and this game is no different. Her interactions with you sounds like town!intuilesorting and your responses sound like a townie defending himself.
I don't think it would be typical of scum to try to make a read out of this, but in my mind it reads as typical of town!In post 22, inutile wrote:yeah your opener pretty paint by numbers but you're aware so
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make an early read!!intuileto try to make a read out of you being friendly in your opening post (5).
She actually said herself what she does in mafia games, and I confirm that in my experience it's true:
Tl;dr: your interaction withIn post 26, inutile wrote: but not alignment related, so! more a wondering aloudintuilelooks like town vs. town, and shiki is just being herself.
As for strictly you, I would say that your tone reads as towny in general, but I would say that my townread ofintuileis stronger than my townread of you, as there is significantly less content and active scumhunting in your posts.- Greeting
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It wasn't when I cast it, but now that I have caught up, I don't really feel inclined to change it. I think pressure on that slot is justified.In post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: Serious vote?- Greeting
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If this was a Newbie game, I would be more likely to agree. But I find clueless behavior like this in Normal games more suspicious. I guess this is a risk actual newbies take if they don't play a newbie game before jumping to the Normal queue.In post 122, furtiveglance wrote:
TownIn post 82, hoppip wrote:
Hmm...I suppose that's fair. But I'm not so sure that "looks bad" is the same as "looks scummy." For instance, I think it looks bad that you're shading Inutile for superficial reasons. But do you think that's scummy?In post 76, DeltaWave wrote:
frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks badIn post 73, hoppip wrote:
What do you think of the rest of its posts?In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
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.........................................................In post 141, Frogsterking wrote:Do what I said or I won't explain ANYTHING to you.
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Wait, what?In post 167, Ausuka wrote:I think the inutile read is pretty convincing but I'm townreading it anyway.
One thing I'm wondering about is that you implied you townread me pretty heavily earlier but now are saying you don't think I've been scumhunting much - did your read change or something?I amtownreadingintuile. What do you mean by that sentence?
As for the read on you, while reading the thread, the tone and responses looked towny, but when I checked your ISO, the overall game contribution looked worse thanintuile’s.- Greeting
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Good. I second this sentiment.In post 174, furtiveglance wrote: Another thing - I don't get the refusal to share. This game is about co-operation. If you repeatedly refuse to talk you're transgressing, which may get you a sanction. And 3 sanctions is a full desadulation. And I might vote you for the simple crime of not talking.
This + his reads (113; I mean I kinda disagree withhoppip, but it's still a valid read from a town point of view - speaking of122) + the earlier quoted post makes me thinkfurtiveglanceis town.- Greeting
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Of all the posts I made this game, this is the one you found the most interesting?In post 191, hoppip wrote:[quote="In
Not me thinking the same thing when I read thatIn post 157, Greeting wrote:
.........................................................In post 141, Frogsterking wrote:Do what I said or I won't explain ANYTHING to you.
Spoiler: ???"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I see a lot of talk aboutDeltaWaveand they're definitely in the PoE for me. The ISO is quite shallow, when at this point there's more than enough content to make deeper reads. Not going to lie,intuileis probably my strongest townlean for now, and the fact that this is the playerDeltaWavehas been so focused in this game makes him look worse in my eyes.
I suppose I agree with him thathoppipis sus, andAusukais town, but my gut tells me that something's not right here.
I'd be actually very much interested in hearing more from you.In post 151, DeltaWave wrote:i'm actually interested in hearing from the sideliners since this has mostly been the same few active people talking"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I don't fully agree with this. Casting suspicion on players who are obvtownIn post 219, DeltaWave wrote: that's a fallacy that even very seasoned mafia players make, so i'll call it a null for you. specifically, I'm referring to the idea that if you think Player A is town and Player B votes for Player A then Player B is likely mafia. makes assumptions that aren't true, and day 1 usually consists of town primarily going at each other while mafia eggs it on or hides. but like I said, even people who have played many many games make this mistake so I will call it a null for you.isa valid scumtell.
Is 67 the only reason you are sussingIn post 219, DeltaWave wrote:i'm standing by my position that inutile is sus and i really don't care that it's making people scumread me. i'm not going to back off what i think is my best read right now because it's unpopular or it might get me eliminated. clearly, an inutile elimination is not going to happen right now based on how people are reading her but i don't operate on consensus like that. i truly do not understand why people see inutile as town. as i said before, if there's evidence that she always plays this way (even as town) then my tune might change but to date, nobody has done so unless I somehow missed it. you can think i'm mafia all you want but i would have picked a safer bet than this if that was the case. if you really think that mafia will wagon popular players instead of killing them at night i dont know what to tell you.intuile?"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I don't fully agree with this. Casting suspicion on players who are obvtownIn post 219, DeltaWave wrote: that's a fallacy that even very seasoned mafia players make, so i'll call it a null for you. specifically, I'm referring to the idea that if you think Player A is town and Player B votes for Player A then Player B is likely mafia. makes assumptions that aren't true, and day 1 usually consists of town primarily going at each other while mafia eggs it on or hides. but like I said, even people who have played many many games make this mistake so I will call it a null for you.isa valid scumtell.
Is 67 the only reason you are sussingIn post 219, DeltaWave wrote:i'm standing by my position that inutile is sus and i really don't care that it's making people scumread me. i'm not going to back off what i think is my best read right now because it's unpopular or it might get me eliminated. clearly, an inutile elimination is not going to happen right now based on how people are reading her but i don't operate on consensus like that. i truly do not understand why people see inutile as town. as i said before, if there's evidence that she always plays this way (even as town) then my tune might change but to date, nobody has done so unless I somehow missed it. you can think i'm mafia all you want but i would have picked a safer bet than this if that was the case. if you really think that mafia will wagon popular players instead of killing them at night i dont know what to tell you.intuile?"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Of course, "obvtown" is not the same as "confirmed town". But players who are towny on first glance should be given the benefit of the doubt. It is impossible to accurately sort everyone on Day 1. Reads of players can change during the game, when their behavior changes or a troubling voting pattern arises.In post 266, DeltaWave wrote:missed that post. disagree with you on a scumtell like that. "obvtown" is not the same as "confirmed town" and i can't tell you how many times that someone who is "obvtown" on d1 ends up as scum by the end of the game. what is "obv" to you might not be "obv" to everyone else and what you're basically saying is that people should conform to the groupthink, which is basically what scum do to stay under the radar.
ANYWAY 67 is not the only reason why I sus intuile. I hope I spelled that right. as i stated previously, the frantic style is personally a lot like how i sounded when i was first playing scum and that rang some bells for me. also, i'm not as comfortable with locking people as town in d1 and letting them slip under the radar until the endgame as some people seem to be. if other people aren't going to do the suspecting then i will.
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side note, plz do not think my associations are necessarily teamsolves. just pointing out information for the future, in case i get eliminated.
You can be stubborn about this if you want, but in terms of winning the game for town, this approach is usually not very effective."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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You may be thinking that he's limbait, but looking into his ISO, is there anything to townreadIn post 324, Ausuka wrote:
I think this post is scummy - part of it is just that it feels a bit slimy? But I'm particular I don't get the eiralox read and I think the push on Juice is opportunistic and unlikely to lead to much while being a seemingly safe route for scum - I think town would be more likely to expand on the BBT read or push Eiralox harder since it's more likely to generate AI content at this stageIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
VOTE: JuiceJuicefor?"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I agree with the pressure onJuice. Or anyone from my PoE to be honest (320). One could say that the slot might not get any townier (or scummier) with pressure, but leaving these kinds of slots be is perfect for mafia, because they will never be townread, and horrible for town sorting. The game has now been going for a few good days and he's given very little.
I'll wait for the tally and then probably jump in."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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In post 463, Eiralox wrote:why tho?
Because the slot has given us literally nothing to townread it even though the game has been going for several days now and plenty of content has been made.inutile wrote:i… don’t get it
Juicehas approximately 15 hours to claim before I hammer."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I am in V/LA.In post 470, Eiralox wrote:
nah i already gave them 24 hours. read above. so you saying this is de facto scummy to me.In post 466, Greeting wrote:In post 463, Eiralox wrote:why tho?
Because the slot has given us literally nothing to townread it even though the game has been going for several days now and plenty of content has been made.inutile wrote:i… don’t get it
Juicehas approximately 15 hours to claim before I hammer."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I see Juice being replaced. I guess it’s probably common sense that the replacement should be given a chance before dropping a hammer, but I see he’s no longer at E-1 so that’s fine.
I read about half of what happened in the game with a clouded mind due to tiredness, and apparently some people are scumreading me for announcing intent to hammer. Would you rather I quickhammerred when I could?
Though I townread none of these two players so kinda not sure if it’s even worth my effort to engage with this.
Another thing I saw, I thinkinutilebeing concerned about the day ending early. I don’t share this concern. If the slot warrants suspicion, I don’t really see the need to drag the day on to the very last minute. This point has some validity if it’s later in the game. Town could, for instance, be middle of a massclaim and someone hasn’t had the chance to claim their result (happened in Large Normal 240 which has just ended, and because of quickhammering a scummy player who turned out to be scum, town paradoxically lost). Or, if there is enough doubt about the player being scummy. But I would say that at the time when I made my last post there wasn’t much prospect of the slot getting more towny."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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How is it odd?In post 607, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
This seems odd, given that Greeting hasn’t talked much about Gandhi.In post 153, Greeting wrote:
It wasn't when I cast it, but now that I have caught up, I don't really feel inclined to change it. I think pressure on that slot is justified.In post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: Serious vote?"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Of course it is. I can’t focus on everything all the time. There are players on MS whose posts I just usually don’t read, because my head hurts when I do (and that includes this game too). I leave sorting them to others or just try to focus on them when I really have no other choice.In post 611, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
Greeting’s scumhunting seems very selective, he’s actively talking to very few players and ignoring a lot of other stuff happening in-thread.In post 168, Greeting wrote:
Wait, what?In post 167, Ausuka wrote:I think the inutile read is pretty convincing but I'm townreading it anyway.
One thing I'm wondering about is that you implied you townread me pretty heavily earlier but now are saying you don't think I've been scumhunting much - did your read change or something?I amtownreadingintuile. What do you mean by that sentence?
As for the read on you, while reading the thread, the tone and responses looked towny, but when I checked your ISO, the overall game contribution looked worse thanintuile’s."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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If you were talking about 542, I have always considered days on MafiaScum to be excessively long. As in, good to have a time backup, but dragging on days when there’s a scumslot agreed upon feels unnecessary. The major counterargument came from a recently-ended game, but it’s not applicable in Day 1 + town really did misplay that game.In post 666, Frogsterking wrote:
My biggest issue with the Greeting wagon is that Greeting is V/la so they don't have the ability to adequately defend themselves. I also haven't checked Greeting's meta to see if they normally propose this strategy D1.In post 665, DeltaWave wrote:MHD is feeling town to me. we aren't going to eliminate gandhi.
keeping nero in the likely town pool (doesn't change my inutile read)
i like the greeting wagon. i don't want to vote until we get a VC because idk how close greeting is to hammer.
Posts like the above are fueling my confbias of a Delta/Gandhi/MHD solve."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I agree and this post is why afterwards I left the author out of the PoE.In post 676, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
I really like this post and I can’t fully explain why but it seems very tonally genuineIn post 219, DeltaWave wrote:
that's a fallacy that even very seasoned mafia players make, so i'll call it a null for you. specifically, I'm referring to the idea that if you think Player A is town and Player B votes for Player A then Player B is likely mafia. makes assumptions that aren't true, and day 1 usually consists of town primarily going at each other while mafia eggs it on or hides. but like I said, even people who have played many many games make this mistake so I will call it a null for you.In post 197, Greeting wrote:I see a lot of talk aboutDeltaWaveand they're definitely in the PoE for me. The ISO is quite shallow, when at this point there's more than enough content to make deeper reads. Not going to lie,intuileis probably my strongest townlean for now, and the fact that this is the playerDeltaWavehas been so focused in this game makes him look worse in my eyes.
I suppose I agree with him thathoppipis sus, andAusukais town, but my gut tells me that something's not right here.
I'd be actually very much interested in hearing more from you.In post 151, DeltaWave wrote:i'm actually interested in hearing from the sideliners since this has mostly been the same few active people talking
i'm standing by my position that inutile is sus and i really don't care that it's making people scumread me. i'm not going to back off what i think is my best read right now because it's unpopular or it might get me eliminated. clearly, an inutile elimination is not going to happen right now based on how people are reading her but i don't operate on consensus like that. i truly do not understand why people see inutile as town. as i said before, if there's evidence that she always plays this way (even as town) then my tune might change but to date, nobody has done so unless I somehow missed it. you can think i'm mafia all you want but i would have picked a safer bet than this if that was the case. if you really think that mafia will wagon popular players instead of killing them at night i dont know what to tell you.
the hubbub around ghandi is interesting and i don't know what to make of it right now. people took very strong opinions about the player right off the bat and i can't understand why that would be the case. it would be interesting to revisit those interactions once we see some flips.
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asuka strikes me as town.
furtiveglance also strikes me as town. although his vote against me is wrong, the rationale seems towny.
bbt, on the other hand, strikes me as someone who wanted to piggyback off furtive's reasoning to join a relatively uncontroversial wagon that coincidentally targets the main person campaigning against inutile.
hoppip is neutral, leaning town. the rationale for sussing me wasn't great but is the kind of rationale i could expect from townspeople.
nuclear g - again, not sure what to make of this player since i just don't have a read on them and i'm confused as to why this is the biggest wagon rn. i'm not saying it's wrong, just don't know if it's right
juice, hut, miralax, and mohab all fall into the same category for me, which are low activity lurkers. there is ALWAYS scum in this group on d1. i wouldn't be surprised if juice is scum who is letting us slug it out. only two posts and still maintaining an RVS vote when we're nine pages in.
i wouldn't be terribly surprised if it's inutile/juice/bbt, assuming a standard 10:3 split."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I honestly don’t remember why I did this. I played one game with him where I was scum, and felt threatened enough that I killed him (Newbie 2095). I probably saw the same tone as in that game and just put him into the townbin for that. I will have to check to make sure though.In post 704, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
This read list is odd in that Greeting decides that BBT should be out of the PoE despite BBT only having made two posts of substantive contentIn post 320, Greeting wrote:Sorting.
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While making reads I prioritise intent over tone.In post 719, Ausuka wrote:why do you townread MND?
pedit: don't think this game would have been fast paced regardless of the deadlineMND’s gamesolving intent is evident and sounds genuine. Even though he’s scumreading me.
Like, the fact that I wanted hammer half-way into Day 1, could be, objectively speaking, taken as a scumtell, but its importance is hugely overrated. It’s being talked about as if it was the most important thing I ever did in this game, when in reality nothing happened, and it wouldn’t have happened anyway while the slot was being replaced.
Another valid point he made was about me votingNuclear Gandhieven though I haven’t talked much about him. That’s also true. But the full truth is thatGandhihas done nothing yet when the vote was cast and when he started contributing and analysing, I focused my mind off him. Nonetheless, I did not say it and so the confusion is probably genuine."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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It does have some merit, but I don't think you took into account the fact that he replaced in. I have seen this type of catching up in games before, that is quoting loads of posts to find anything notable and comment on it, and in my experience that is NAI. I would much rather if he made up to 5 long summary posts with conclusions though.In post 723, Nero Cain wrote:hey Greeting. You do realize that part of scums jobs is to make "good points" and try to come off as townie? They are going to poke holes and cast doubt on town b/c that like their job. I personally don't think that your reason to town read him is very good. What do you think about my accusation that he's active lurking?"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Which newbie did I help this game? I am scumreadingIn post 734, hutmeil wrote:
I remember that game. BBT came in strong and scum killed him for that (as you said).In post 716, Greeting wrote:I honestly don’t remember why I did this. I played one game with him where I was scum, and felt threatened enough that I killed him (Newbie 2095). I probably saw the same tone as in that game and just put him into the townbin for that. I will have to check to make sure though.
But I also remembered how you played scum in that game is similar to how you are playing now. You we're posting as needed ( I guess so as not to get prodded ) and flying under the radar and acting helpful to newbies which of course makes you look townie to them.hoppip, who sounds like a newbie, because this isn't the Newbie queue.
How am I flying under the radar? I have like 3-4 people voting me now.
This post makes zero sense actually and says nothing about how "BBTcame strong" in your opinion. So you agree with my read and you think I'm likely scum?"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Posts like 561, 585, 599, 607, 703, 704 - all have the intention of solving the game imo.In post 739, Ausuka wrote: Anyway, I'm trying to ask where his gamesolving intent is evident? I haven't gotten much of a read out of MND so far."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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You never explained your progression from leaving me out of the PoE (last seen 363) to voting me 771.In post 771, furtiveglance wrote:Regardless of my insecurities, I'm opposing Hutmeil's vote. Greeting is more palatable.
VOTE: Greeting"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Firstly, I don't think there was a group consensus read in this game ever. Even inutile got scumread before she replaced out.In post 787, furtiveglance wrote:
I think this readslist is just the group consensus as it was at the time. As in the average of everyone's thoughts. It makes me think you just looked at post count instead of thinking about the game.In post 320, Greeting wrote:Sorting.
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But, let's say that there was a group consensus on townreads. Why is the fact that I support it scum indicative? If I am scum, I don't want a group consensus of townreads, because I will never be able to miseliminate all of them."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I haven't spoken about all of my townreads, sure. But I explained most of them. I would say that the posts listed below are evidence against me making up reads by copying consensus townreads. Plus, I am now townreadingIn post 789, furtiveglance wrote: I'm saying you supporting the group consensus is scum indicative because you don't need to engage with making up your own reads.Mapuche Never Diewho is the leading wagon and so far from being a consensus townread.
Frogsterking(145)
Nero Cain(inutile) (152)
Ausuka(152)
furtiveglance(178)
DeltaWave- tier below townreads, but out of the PoE (715)
Mapuche Never Die(721, 781)"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Anyways, this is my Day 1 final PoE.
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Left outMapuche Never DieandNuclear Gandhibecause both of them produced sufficient amounts of good content.
I am happy to eliminate anyone out of these four really andhutmeilis a good candidate. I don't think I really need to expand on thehutmeilcase as everything has been said. His only case was Juice, and when he got replaced, he didn't build a second one.
@Nero Cain: if anyone is actively lurking this game, especially since Juice's replace-out, I would say it'shutmeil."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I think this is E-2.
"Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I am staying onhutmeil. Alternatively, I can vote out someone else from my PoE. But I won’t be going after the rest, at least not today.
I am not sure what is so scummy that I’ve done in this game. But the composition of my wagon isn’t really that great either so probably not much. I’m still townreadingfurtiveglance, but less so, because the level of certainty with which he’s pushing my wagon over one tell is concerning, especially that the push seems to be coordinated withEiralox."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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In post 868, Nero Cain wrote:In post 866, furtiveglance wrote:I need to go now but get off hutmeil and get on Greeting.
no way scum is just these two and hut and they are trying to hard push a Greeting wagon, right?In post 867, Eiralox wrote:cos if hutmeil isn't scum and greeting is the unspoken vibe i've gotten from a few players(won't mention who yet) is a dire need to draw attention away from greeting.Eiralox’s whole presence in the game feels disruptive. Sometimes it seems like the guy is just itching to start a nonsensical argument and other times he posts a ridiculously wrong hot take. This is my general feeling about this slot. I am fundamentally unopposed to eliminating him like, anytime.
And yeah, pushing my wagon because of one read at the end of Day 1 seems like a poor choice byfurtiveglance. Kinda like he’s trying to exploit the momentum where he got everybody’s attention and there is time pressure to make a push on my slot in spite having a rather weak case."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I will not vote outNero Cainnow. As a matter of fact, I am unlikely to vote outNero Cainat any point of the game. Inutile was my strongest townread and the slot’s successor hasn’t done anything to tarnish it, so the read is likely correct."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I do townhunting rather than scumhunting quite often in games. Slots that can’t be townbinned in any way get in the PoE by default. It’s a matter of playstyle. And, I would say that it’s completely valid to want to eliminate the PoE and push it, if in my opinion it leads to solving the game.In post 881, Nero Cain wrote:
For me it was mainly that you spent most of early game talking about your town reads and thats like really easy to do as scum. Wasn't really till 197 that you started talking about your POE.In post 873, Greeting wrote:I am not sure what is so scummy that I’ve done in this game.
I had felt like your RVS on Gandhi and then leaving your vote there for "pressure" was scummy.
I assumed this line was about Ausuka, was it? if not who was it about? if so what was "not right"?In post 197, Greeting wrote:and Ausuka is town, but my gut tells me that something's not right here.
Was worried that your POE was a shit ton of mislimable town and you as scum could just use POE ad nauseam to justify your votes.
I'm down with the whole "hut isn't playing to his town meta/he's not being proactive." but I don't really think you've been either. Hut is p good flip today and we can just go from there tomorrow.
197 was aboutDeltaWave. I didn’t like the way he posted, but after I questioned him, I realised that it’s probably NAI and left him out of the PoE.
And also, it was kinda a long time ago?
Oh and I’m not really sure what my town meta is, I have a lot of towngames and played differently in many of them."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I’ve townhunted as town several times. It’s actually really common from me. Check my past games if you want a meta read.In post 901, Nero Cain wrote:
i see claims of townhunting come from scum way more than I do from town.In post 883, Greeting wrote:I do townhunting rather than scumhunting quite often in games.
That's not how cancel culture works! There's no statute of limitations on the internet.In post 883, Greeting wrote:And also, it was kinda a long time ago?
wasn't saying anything about your meta just that you aren't being all that proactive similar to hutmei.In post 883, Greeting wrote:Oh and I’m not really sure what my town meta is, I have a lot of towngames and played differently in many of them.
I couldn’t have been proactive when I was in V/LA for several days. Otherwise, my prevailing feeling is that I’ve contributed my share to this game."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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To be fair, my townread of that slot was probably rushed. I haven’t seen him post much in the last days like, at all. And I don’t remember any of his posts or reads without looking them up. That’s all bad signs to be fair. I will be back before deadline to analyse this deeper.In post 907, Mapuche Never Die wrote:Actually: hutmeil’s reaction to the claim was towny, Greeting has made himself townier in the last several pages
VOTE: BBT
I propose a counterwagon."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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In post 920, Crescent wrote:I do see Furitive's argument here. #853 Nero insinuates he's scum with Hutmeil trying to protect him, and #868 he insinuates Furitive is scum acting under the knowledge that Hutmeil is town.
Regardless though, not really interested in a vote there today. Nero kinda just feels like he spouts everything he's thinking when he thinks it. It has better potential to be coming from a town mentality than many others.
Hut dropped a long post in #850, but didn't actually stay around. The post itself was alright, but the lack of follow up is a big concern. It feels like he just dropped everything into a single post and hoped it would be enough.
BBT has still done absolutely nothing since Juice left the game, and I'm not opposed to voting there. 2273 BBT was so much more aggressive than this it's staggering. Doesn't feel like the same player at all.
He as well as Hoppip have no posts in over 24 hours. I kinda like Hoppip's interaction with Eiralox, but I would really like to see updated reads and reactions here.
Anyways, if either Hoppip or Greeting try to idle out the day, I say kill them with fire. I don't want this day ending without some answers from the both of them. I don't like a Nero vote though.Crescent, is there a single question in this game I haven’t answered?
I mean,Eiraloxmight have asked some as I’ve seen them longposting about their supposed scumread of me but admittedly I’ve just been ignoring their posts."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I spoke ofIn post 893, Crescent wrote:Why was BBT on your townlist to begin with, and what has he done to stay there?
What is your case on Eiralox? They're in your POE in 796... But you essentially said nothing about them at all until #873, and all you said was "they feel disruptive". The only interaction you even have with them is them immediately questioning your intent to hammer Juice. I don't feel like you've made a valid point to justify a vote here.
These were two things I felt you still needed to answer for. I definitely still want an explanation of why you had BBT as solidly town for so long given how little he's actually done.BBTin 936. That was probably the reason, though now I kinda agree that the read was rushed and doesn't look great. I've just re-looked into his ISO and the tone kinda feels genuine so I can see why I felt like townbinning them at that moment.
And no, I am not casingEiraloxtoday."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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In case I am voted out today, I support this gamesolve.In post 942, Frogsterking wrote:This game solve is hutmeil/Gandhi/furtiveglance right?
Also, I am being heavily suspected for townhunting and voting players from my ISO, but it occurs to me that a lot of others are doing the exact same thing (Ausuka,furtiveglance,MND). Like, there's no casing here, just "*shrug* I am okay with this case". So yeah, kinda hypocritical of them to be fair."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Anyway, if I was hammered then town just shot itself in the foot. I hope that the least you guys can do is analyse the composition of my wagon tomorrow, because I was the town counterwagon to scummyhutmeil."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Oh, I didn't get hammered. I really thought I did, and was just kinda ready to forget about this game.
Fine, I'll claim if you guys really want me to. I'm a gated Town Cop who can only uncover Mafia Goons (full role isTown Disloyal Simple Cop).
It's a shame I probably won't even get to use the role now. I am, however, still planning on checking someone from my PoE Night 1. My current thoughts are to check out Mohab/Crescent's slot."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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I'd much rather be just a Town Cop, but yeah, for some reason that's hard to come by in the Normal queue.
I consider myself to be a rather intelligent person, but I'm not smart enough to make such a sophisticated fake claim, honestly. I would need to have someone from my team invent it for me (10% effort) and then successfully convince me to use it (90% effort), which overall makes it highly improbable.
I'm annoyed that I was forced to claim over absolute bs on Day 1, because the only way for my role to be potentially useful would be me checking out at least like 3 scummy people and hoping I uncover an actual Goon."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly- Greeting
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Anyway, question time is over, because I think the questions being asked are bullshit and my cooperation changes absolutely nothing. If you don't believe my claim, just hammer me so I can bitch about this game in the Dead Thread."Lmao if Greeting is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him" ~ Taly - Greeting
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