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Man's not possessed.In post 56, Frogsterking wrote:
HEY if you're going to play while possessed then sign up with your demon as a hydra like the rest of us doIn post 52, furtiveglance wrote:Hi, man's town n that.- furtiveglance
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Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave- furtiveglance
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TownIn post 82, hoppip wrote:
Hmm...I suppose that's fair. But I'm not so sure that "looks bad" is the same as "looks scummy." For instance, I think it looks bad that you're shading Inutile for superficial reasons. But do you think that's scummy?In post 76, DeltaWave wrote:
frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks badIn post 73, hoppip wrote:
What do you think of the rest of its posts?In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
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But seriously....this is kind of increasing my scumread on you. Why don't you talk about inutile, do you still think they're mafia?In post 123, DeltaWave wrote:
this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbhIn post 113, furtiveglance wrote:
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.
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Why are you scumreading Ghandhi? Bit of a non-sequitur I know but I don't want to get into your improv stuff.In post 127, Frogsterking wrote:I had this one improv teacher who was pretty cool who taught us that the hardest lesson in improv is to learn to accept gifts.- furtiveglance
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I missed this intially because I posted right after. I townread you for the progression on inutile, it looked natural. Frogsterking is making a lot of reads early on which I usually find towny. Inutile and Hoppip both just seem to have an innocent kind of energy, I can see their approaches to the game being from a town perspective.In post 120, Ausuka wrote:
I'd like if you could elaborate on your townreads.In post 113, furtiveglance wrote:Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave
Can you elaborate on your thoughts on 83 as well? I really do not see what you're seeing there
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I just thought Inutile was excited about playing, that's the vibe I got.In post 129, DeltaWave wrote:
that's funny, because you're looking more like town to me the more we talk. I'd say there's a decent 75% chance that inutile is mafia. signal-to-noise ratio is very bad, trying too hard w/r/t townclaiming, etc. reminds me of how I used to play a mafioso when I was new, very frantic. the 25% exception is if this user just plays like this all the time but I do not know the relevant meta.In post 126, furtiveglance wrote:
But seriously....this is kind of increasing my scumread on you. Why don't you talk about inutile, do you still think they're mafia?In post 123, DeltaWave wrote:
this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbhIn post 113, furtiveglance wrote:
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.
VOTE: DeltaWave
btw, someone (I forgot who - it's a page or so back) misunderstood why I was sussing inutile. it wasn't because mafia was plural or anything. it's that the whole "let's come together as town, I'm one of you, let's get those evil mafias" is a sus thing to say overall, especially early game. maybe later on when there are some flips or lots of evidence that's a decent thing to say but combined with everything else, inutile just seems like a mafioso on a sugar high.- furtiveglance
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I am happy that BBT is now voting with me, but I don't townread this post at all. I've found that responding to other people's reads/comments and following up like this is one of the easiest things to do as mafia, because a lot of the time town players' reads/comments on the game don't make a lot of sense and you can look towny as scum by criticising that.In post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, caught up. Stuff following;
A few things here, first regarding 51;In post 58, Frogsterking wrote: I actually think you've got me here and that everything you're saying in 53 is true.
I have three reasons mainly for not outing the scum slot yet:
- I want them to post more before they become alarmed so that it will be easier to look for their partners on later days.
I want them to participate in my survey start and if I out my scum read on them first they probably won't want to do that.
I want to give other players a chance to find them without me spoiling it.
1) Why would you trust a town reads reads so early into a game?
2) This feels like an attempt to pocket Ausuka
As for 58, this is a bad post in general. The first point about not wanting scum to know you're scum reading them - at this point about 5 players had posted anything of note, you were one of them and you town locked the other two (possibly three?) so there really weren't many players left who it could have been.
Other two points are fluff, especially third. Unless you're looking for potential mindmelds, but meh, not a fan of this at all.
Serious vote?
Just walk me through your thought process here? Most of the posts confuse you (why is that scummy?) but you understand enough to say that their rationalising is weird? You either understand or you don't, it can't be both. Can you show some of their weird rationalising and explain why it's weird?In post 76, DeltaWave wrote: frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks bad
Well, you're seeing the game at the opposite end of the spectrum to me so we probably need to talk. All three of these are bad.In post 100, Eiralox wrote:Bonsoir i be Eiralox and im here for the synth apocalypse.
Frogster and Mohab are lock town, we won't be voting there.
VOTE: Nuclear Ghandi
this is scum. guillotine asap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGAk07qgf8
Happy to take the lock town read on yourself? Do you think you have been that townie?
Serious vote?
We're viewing the game almost identically, I like this. Just Frog being the outlier.In post 113, furtiveglance wrote:Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave
Hi Ausuka, I think you're town and this is a bad vote. Change it please?In post 121, Ausuka wrote:I'd also like Greeting to elaborate on their reads I guess
VOTE: furtiveglance
I like this best for now
This makes no sense at all and further intensifies my scum read on you.In post 123, DeltaWave wrote:
this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbhIn post 113, furtiveglance wrote:
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.
VOTE: DeltaWave
Why do Eir and Greeting influence your read here? They've barely done anything.In post 130, Frogsterking wrote: Once I saw Eir and Greeting both voted Ghandi I interpreted that as a sign that something was wrong. I reflected on why they may have done that. I realized that Ghandi is attempting to aggressively manipulate as many players as possible and that my initial Townread on them was naive. I believe Ghandi is either a manipulative Townie or a scum slot. In other words, I don't trust Ghandi regardless of their alignment, and I believe their alignment in this case may be scum, because even though it may be NAI for them to be manipulative, the way they're being manipulative in this game doesn't help them to collect AI information about other players.
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Did I ask Frogsterking a question that you wanted to ask him, or did you want to ask me a question?In post 132, hutmeil wrote:UNVOTE: Furtive
I had the same question as him for Frog which I TR him for.- furtiveglance
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I've played with similar players.In post 146, DeltaWave wrote:
Have you played with inutile before?In post 144, furtiveglance wrote: I just thought Inutile was excited about playing, that's the vibe I got.- furtiveglance
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How is this town? Eliminating some rando.....that's a low chance of success. Plus the use of 'just' - it's a minimiser. Mohab doesn't want to be looked at too closely for bandwagoning, and justifies it pre-emptively.In post 92, Mohab500 wrote:Vote: InutileI am just on the wagon, trying to lynch some rando early on good strat- furtiveglance
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Do you want to share those reasons? Or at least invent some?In post 160, Eiralox wrote:I have my reasons. No one's going to vote Mohab. Ghandi is still blatant scum. looking for the partners.- furtiveglance
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Ok, you're right that delayed omgus isn't the right term. It's a knee-jerk reaction nonetheless, it felt to me that DeltaWave didn't want to allow Hoppip to put a bit of sus on them without getting the last word. As to whether or not Hoppip did put sus on DeltaWave, I would argue the answer is yes, whether intentional or otherwise. They said that DeltaWave 'looked bad' to them. So I read into that a bit, I thought DeltaWave looked worse from the whole interaction. I understand your issue with buzzwords like 'omgus', I have the same thing. But in this case I thought it was notable that DeltaWave didn't let it slide, they said they would respond later but made the point of saying that hoppip was being 'somewhat sus'.In post 163, Ausuka wrote:
Ok, the townreads don't do a lot for me but to be fair it is very early in the game, soIn post 143, furtiveglance wrote:
I missed this intially because I posted right after. I townread you for the progression on inutile, it looked natural. Frogsterking is making a lot of reads early on which I usually find towny. Inutile and Hoppip both just seem to have an innocent kind of energy, I can see their approaches to the game being from a town perspective.In post 120, Ausuka wrote:
I'd like if you could elaborate on your townreads.In post 113, furtiveglance wrote:Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave
Can you elaborate on your thoughts on 83 as well? I really do not see what you're seeing there
83 interested me because DeltaWave says Hoppip is acting sus after their interaction in 82, in which Hoppip said DeltaWave 'shaded Inutile for superficial reasons', which is what it looked like to me as well. Hence I called it a delayed omgus.
I don't think hoppip was really calling Delta suspicious in post 82. He seemed to be saying that Delta's point is bad but he's not necessarily scum for it. In any case, I'm still not really sure what you mean and why you find it suspicious - it's only one post after so not really delayed, and anyway don't you think town could suspect someone who they're in some sort of confrontation with? The idea of 'delayed omgus' just feels off to me honestly.- furtiveglance
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Is it not blatant? I was quite clear that I townread them, I suppose it's just an unepxlained read. Then again, Toffee (as you call him) hasn't explained his read on Gandhi either. What makes his read more blatant than mine?In post 170, Eiralox wrote:
Im not sharing. And i'm starting to think you and ghandi are together. I don't like toffee's entrance or wrong read on frogster but I can still sort of see town there. But you? Toffee's defense of Ghandi is blatant, yours isn't and that wearies me.In post 161, furtiveglance wrote:
Do you want to share those reasons? Or at least invent some?In post 160, Eiralox wrote:I have my reasons. No one's going to vote Mohab. Ghandi is still blatant scum. looking for the partners.- furtiveglance
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Another thing - I don't get the refusal to share. This game is about co-operation. If you repeatedly refuse to talk you're transgressing, which may get you a sanction. And 3 sanctions is a full desadulation. And I might vote you for the simple crime of not talking.In post 170, Eiralox wrote:
Im not sharing. And i'm starting to think you and ghandi are together. I don't like toffee's entrance or wrong read on frogster but I can still sort of see town there. But you? Toffee's defense of Ghandi is blatant, yours isn't and that wearies me.In post 161, furtiveglance wrote:
Do you want to share those reasons? Or at least invent some?In post 160, Eiralox wrote:I have my reasons. No one's going to vote Mohab. Ghandi is still blatant scum. looking for the partners.- furtiveglance
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Don't think BBT really hard defended Gandhi any more than I did either. Why do you want to make a point of distinguishing us when there is no real difference?In post 173, Eiralox wrote:I said defense, not reads. im not keen on repeating myself.- furtiveglance
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Again you make a valid point. I'm not locking in Deltawave as mafia though as you seem to imply, I'm just sussing + voting them. Fairly standard stuff in this kind of game. Yes, I could be charitable and play devil's advocate for every single player I give a read on, but it would be a longer and less interesting game, and I probably wouldn't be saying much either way, just going: "Could be town or mafia here, tough to say" about everyone. A read is a read, and I vote my scumreads. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm choosing to push this scum!Delta possibility, as you say, because I want them to be voted out, because I sus them. It all makes sense from my end.In post 179, Ausuka wrote:
Do you disagree that town often suspect people who suspect them? I feel like you're pushing a scum!Delta possibility without really considering the other side of things. Like, there is indeed a world where Delta decided to scumread hoppip because he misinterpreted their post as a scumread and wanted to push back against it, but I don't see why you think it's likely, which I was hoping to get you to explain because I think it's a stretchy read.In post 171, furtiveglance wrote:Ok, you're right that delayed omgus isn't the right term. It's a knee-jerk reaction nonetheless, it felt to me that DeltaWave didn't want to allow Hoppip to put a bit of sus on them without getting the last word. As to whether or not Hoppip did put sus on DeltaWave, I would argue the answer is yes, whether intentional or otherwise. They said that DeltaWave 'looked bad' to them. So I read into that a bit, I thought DeltaWave looked worse from the whole interaction. I understand your issue with buzzwords like 'omgus', I have the same thing. But in this case I thought it was notable that DeltaWave didn't let it slide, they said they would respond later but made the point of saying that hoppip was being 'somewhat sus'- furtiveglance
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In post 176, Eiralox wrote:
cos ur scum with gandhi and toffee isnt. this post proves it.In post 175, furtiveglance wrote:
Don't think BBT really hard defended Gandhi any more than I did either. Why do you want to make a point of distinguishing us when there is no real difference?In post 173, Eiralox wrote:I said defense, not reads. im not keen on repeating myself.- furtiveglance
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I didn't do that, it was an authentic read I made. The term I used wasn't accurate, and I get the sense that the term I used is partly why you don't trust my read. As for your point about easy pushes, that's just speculation. At the time of its conception my scumread of DeltaWave was completely original, with BBT agreeing later. Besides, that argument assumes Town!Delta in its very logic.In post 184, Ausuka wrote:I'm aware, and I'm not as confident about this as I would be if you had made such a read later in the game. But I'm just saying it doesn't seem like your read on Delta came from a genuine thought process; if I'm mafia here and Delta is town I would probably want to vote Delta here, he feels like an easier push than other people who have been present so far. So when I feel like you decided he's scum and then made up the reasons it's concerning to me.- furtiveglance
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Edit: I see you acknowledged that it assumes Town!DeltaIn post 186, furtiveglance wrote:
I didn't do that, it was an authentic read I made. The term I used wasn't accurate, and I get the sense that the term I used is partly why you don't trust my read. As for your point about easy pushes, that's just speculation. At the time of its conception my scumread of DeltaWave was completely original, with BBT agreeing later. Besides, that argument assumes Town!Delta in its very logic.In post 184, Ausuka wrote:I'm aware, and I'm not as confident about this as I would be if you had made such a read later in the game. But I'm just saying it doesn't seem like your read on Delta came from a genuine thought process; if I'm mafia here and Delta is town I would probably want to vote Delta here, he feels like an easier push than other people who have been present so far. So when I feel like you decided he's scum and then made up the reasons it's concerning to me.- furtiveglance
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I was about to respond that I don't have an internal 'is this player an easy mislim' filter, but I realised mid-thought that I actually do, and categorised Gandhi and Hoppip as such earlier this game. DeltaWave didn't seem that way to me.In post 188, Ausuka wrote:I acknowledge that, but I think even if other people hadn't really pushed there yet a scum player would likely realise there's room to push him without much pushack. I suppose it's not a particularly productive argument to be having at this stage.- furtiveglance
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In post 125, furtiveglance wrote:I should really open with "Man's town" more often then HUH
What an honour to be labelled 'sus' rather than 'sus af'.In post 209, Mohab500 wrote:Ok so reads list:
Juice: sus
BlueBloodedToffee: sus
DeltaWave: sus af
furitiveking: sus af
furitiveglance: sus
greeting: susy
hutmeil: town af
Asuka: sus
hoppip: sus
Eiralox: town probably
inutile: neutral
mohab500: ?
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I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
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You don't think Juice can defend themself?In post 324, Ausuka wrote:
I think this post is scummy - part of it is just that it feels a bit slimy? But I'm particular I don't get the eiralox read and I think the push on Juice is opportunistic and unlikely to lead to much while being a seemingly safe route for scum - I think town would be more likely to expand on the BBT read or push Eiralox harder since it's more likely to generate AI content at this stageIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
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Maybe we're not gonna get on this game, that's fine. I'm not sure if getting into it with you is the best use of my posts this game.In post 316, Eiralox wrote:I'm starting to think furtive is likelier scum than delta? esp. if, as my previous redundant now instated faux maneuver averred, furtive and gandhi are are scum together:
Agreeing with town! Delta and shifting the vote to juice is a great possible way to indirectly divert from the gandhi wagon(while furtive also shades eira, who started that wagon).
So I mean........ Delta is wrong, delta is defensive as fuck, delta is misrepping me bad, delta was very irritating and dodgy and illogical last night but, and meh i havent done the iso shtick cos I got a life, I can feel all those irregularities coming from town. Furtive? Rats but that slot just scumpings me on an instinct level, even tho they also feel green at the same time? paradox? maybe. But I think RE: Juice delta talking and furtive voting convinces me that scum is likelier in furtive than delta..... maybe........ too early for me. imma watch these two, something's whack.
Hoppip voting Delta is a very very interesting development.................. i'll post when I post/- furtiveglance
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I'm feeling a little disillusioned about this - if you list the criteria that make someone sus, and then list the criteria that make someone 'an easy target' (or at least the popular idea of one) - I think it's the same list, isn't it?In post 331, Ausuka wrote:
I feel like this was meant to be a sarcastic comment to imply I'm defending Juice when I shouldn't be but I unironically think thisIn post 329, furtiveglance wrote:
You don't think Juice can defend themself?In post 324, Ausuka wrote:
I think this post is scummy - part of it is just that it feels a bit slimy? But I'm particular I don't get the eiralox read and I think the push on Juice is opportunistic and unlikely to lead to much while being a seemingly safe route for scum - I think town would be more likely to expand on the BBT read or push Eiralox harder since it's more likely to generate AI content at this stageIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
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I'm tired of being told some players are too scummy to be pushed. I want to reward players who try.In post 335, Ausuka wrote:I disagree. I mean, it's certainly reasonable to not townread Juice, but I think having them as your top scumread this early is just safe and boring. They are borderline unreadable at this stage. Later we might have more content, a new player in the slot, whatever.- furtiveglance
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I disagree that they're unreadable, I read their posting as scum. I'm townreading quite a few players, so why not vote a low content slot?In post 338, Ausuka wrote:
Ok, that's not what I'm saying but go ahead, I can't stop you but you're not going to stop me scumreading your play eitherIn post 337, furtiveglance wrote:
I'm tired of being told some players are too scummy to be pushed. I want to reward players who try.In post 335, Ausuka wrote:I disagree. I mean, it's certainly reasonable to not townread Juice, but I think having them as your top scumread this early is just safe and boring. They are borderline unreadable at this stage. Later we might have more content, a new player in the slot, whatever.- furtiveglance
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Why don't you vote Juice, it will get a bit of momentum going.
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Not much has changed, both still sus for me.In post 352, Ausuka wrote:In post 340, furtiveglance wrote:
I disagree that they're unreadable, I read their posting as scum. I'm townreading quite a few players, so why not vote a low content slot?In post 338, Ausuka wrote:
Ok, that's not what I'm saying but go ahead, I can't stop you but you're not going to stop me scumreading your play eitherIn post 337, furtiveglance wrote:
I'm tired of being told some players are too scummy to be pushed. I want to reward players who try.In post 335, Ausuka wrote:I disagree. I mean, it's certainly reasonable to not townread Juice, but I think having them as your top scumread this early is just safe and boring. They are borderline unreadable at this stage. Later we might have more content, a new player in the slot, whatever.
What do you think of eiralox and bbt now thenIn post 282, furtiveglance wrote:I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.
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Ok, but I'm aware that pushing a lurker will get me this kind of negative attention as well. I think the problem you're having is that you have this cookie cutter idea of what mafia play like - calculated, choosing pushes carefully, etc. This might be how you play, or how you've seen others play, but the fact is that people do whatever they want.In post 355, Ausuka wrote:
You could equally ask why scum Juice would do that. It's not good play as either alignment. I have no particular love for that slot and I'm sure they'll probably be eliminated at some point unless there's a replacement but I stand by the idea pushing them as your primary scumread at this point is safe and boring and somewhat scum indicative as a result.In post 354, DeltaWave wrote:why would town!juice do that? it doesn't shake out- furtiveglance
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I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.In post 357, Ausuka wrote:That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.- furtiveglance
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It's easier for me to divide people into Town/Not sure yet than divide people into Mafia/Not sure yetIn post 359, Mohab500 wrote:
I mean, in most cases doesn't recognising town mean you also recognise mafia as its either town or mafia?In post 358, furtiveglance wrote:
I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.In post 357, Ausuka wrote:That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.- furtiveglance
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I'd say I wouldn't vote you/DeltaWave/Frog/Greeting/Hoppip/Inutile today.In post 362, Ausuka wrote:
Who is town or mafia in this game?In post 359, Mohab500 wrote:
I mean, in most cases doesn't recognising town mean you also recognise mafia as its either town or mafia?In post 358, furtiveglance wrote:
I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.In post 357, Ausuka wrote:That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.- furtiveglance
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So that's half the other players I think are town.In post 363, furtiveglance wrote:
I'd say I wouldn't vote you/DeltaWave/Frog/Greeting/Hoppip/Inutile today.In post 362, Ausuka wrote:
Who is town or mafia in this game?In post 359, Mohab500 wrote:
I mean, in most cases doesn't recognising town mean you also recognise mafia as its either town or mafia?In post 358, furtiveglance wrote:
I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.In post 357, Ausuka wrote:That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.- furtiveglance
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Sorry for the massive quote post, I'm oN MoBiLe aRgHhIn post 442, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:I swear that inner procrastinator in me knows no boundaries
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- Remeber how Frog called me town back in 48? Presumably it was due to his stated reason in 51 - he trusted Ausuka's read on me. Now in 109 similar story again. He calls votes me after noting in 108 that 2 other players voted me. Maybe Frog is a sheep. But from my perspective, he isn't solving anything just trying to fit in with the crowd.
- I can see what furtiveglance means in 113 when they say 83 was omgus'y by DeltaWave.(it's easier to see if you look at 82 to see the whole short discussion and see the disproportionate reaction which was 83)
I don't want to sound like a broken record, but, again, that's something I'm willing to let slide due to the DeltaWave hasn't played for 7 years thing. Sure it's worth noting, but enough for Day1 elim.
- Frog, again, is being unhelpful in 114. What does "Not really." mean exactly? That we can't agree to disagree? That he can't color the same way I did so we can look closer to the differences in how we see things, nor can he explain in his own words? We don't see it opposite? We see it opposite but that doesn't mean one of us has to be wrong?
It's not the first, since he dropped the topic.
It could be the first half the 2nd, but then why wouldn't he try the other half to help game solve process?
If it's the 3rd then his disagreeing with me didn't make sense.
If it's the last then idk what he's smoking.
Whatever it is, 114 to me shows a clear disinterest to game solve by Frog.
[note that the argument itself no longer interests me since I changed my mind since then]
- 116 is interesting by Greeting, due to it adding to the pile ofred flag triggerspeople had on DeltaWave. Although the read is obviously complete nonsense, that's obviously not what DeltaWave meant. Fwiw(not much), I'm fairly certain this means Greeting and DeltaWave could never be wolves together.
- I just want to call Greeting wolf/wolf with Frog after reading 118, though I'm obviously super biased.
Greeting, what makes Frog towny in your eyes? Seriously I don't see anything towny about him.
- 124 is officially the first post that looks like Frog rocks the boat even the slightest. Ausuka wolf read furtiveglance in 121 and DeltaWave town read furtiveglance in 123. Ausuka's wolf read seem to have some hidden reasoning behind it whilst DeltaWave townread reason was limited to"yeah, i know, I deserve to be wolf read". So why did Frog chose to townread furtiveglance? I expect it's because furtiveglance townread Frog in 113. On a different note: this seem to be yet another red flag for DeltaWave.
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- I am NOT voting furtiveglance today after 126. He had: Ausuka asking them a question then vote them in 120 and 121 / DeltaWave townreading them in 123 for the"yeah, i know, I deserve to be wolf read"reasoning / Frog "townlocking" them in 124. What did furtiveglance first respond to? The worse looking read of the 3. To me this shows a clear sign of focus on game solving on furtiveglance's part.
- furtiveglance, do you have a lot of experience playing with Frog? You calling their reads "Non sequitur" in 128 suggests that. I was wondering if you could provide some insight into Frog's playstyle?
- This'll probably be a controversial opinion, but I think 129(DeltaWave) is a good look for DeltaWave for a funny reason. Why? Because furtiveglance asked a simple question: why doesn't DeltaWave talk more about her wolf read inutile? As large as DeltaWave's response is, she doesn't even respond to that question - only saying things like"that's funny, because you're looking more like town to me the more we talk"- completely stuck in their own head. I think a wolf in that post would had tried to appeal to furtiveglance's question in some way.
- I like that Frog now in 130 has said what I expected; that they're a sheep. Only looking at where the herd is looking at. If this is a player thing and not alignment thing, then perhaps some of my reasons for sussing him was wrong. But not all of them. I still think that playstyle is inherently scummy. Like why not discuss a topic with another player where you disagree with? That seems like a obvious way to gamesolve.
- 131 I'm a fan of BBT. Just saw myself nodding throughout most of their post. 2 exceptions being: "Serious vote?" it obviously wasn't by hutmeil / wolf reading DeltaWave (where they agreed with furtiveglance's reads), I just feel like DeltaWave is too easy target while have some points going for her.
- 132 hutmeil what does this mean? townread whom? the person you vote? For asking"Why are you scumreading Ghandhi? Bit of a non-sequitur I know but I don't want to get into your improv stuff."?
- 137 I'm genuinly surprised Frog townreading someone who wolf reads him. I put on my aluminium hat and say it's because of the player type that BBT is?
- 140 Bet you I'm the only one who likes this post by DeltaWave. More specifically, the"not sure what your angle is here"part of it.
- I hate myself for saying this but 141 looks good on Frog? What I mean is, he sticks to his schtick again where he wants to look at what other people look; in this he asks"My condition is that I want you to choose something more specific from Ghandi's iso for me to talk about". Although this playstyle I do feel is inherently scummy - not being cooperative when people ask something. But him sticking to his ways shows a game process? Previously I thought Frog is just a sheep unwilling to solve. Well, he is a sheep and he most certainly is uncooperative and not a team player, but at least now I see there's a process going on behind the scenes. Hate his playstyle. Could easily still be wolf. But I'm willing to vote elsewhere if anything better shows up.
- 143's"I missed this intially because I posted right after."says that my previous comment where I said "I am NOT voting furtiveglance today" was based on wrong reasons. Actually for me now there's nothing AI for furtiveglance's slot anymore. Best I could give is: the sus on DeltaWave is every so slightly sus because she's an easy target whilst the townread on Frog for"Frogsterking is making a lot of reads early on which I usually find towny"is just bad reasoning if given any in-depths look at the sources of Frog's reads.you know.. the sheeping part... Calling those things wolfy by furtiveglance only makes sense, to me, if assume his usual reads levels are higher than surface level. That'd be a pressumption. But in case I see nothing better, I'm willing to go with that presumption. (113 looked so good though?)
- 144 is fine look for furtive because it kinda shows surface level reading.
- 145 by Greeting gives me a bit of wolf talking about another wolf vibe. Though the content does mirror my observations. I feel like they're either both town or both wolves.. don't ask why though..
- 147 aligns well with furtive's reasoning in 143. A good look.
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In slightly more than than I spent 48 hours ago, I went through half as many posts as I did then. This gives me real back to school kind of vibes - where my procrastination be like "there's time, it'll be easy" just to learn it's more than I expected.
Also, I seem to have no real scumreads atm, though a couple that I'm OK with voting / not thrilled though. I suck.
Gandhi, thank you for giving me some spotlight in page 6, I had a real hero to zero to meh arc there, what a ride. You directed a question to me about my interaction with Frogsterking. I think I just meant that me quoting their post about something random, to ask them about reads, was a non sequitur as in "This isn't relevant to your latest post BUT".
Also, I wanted to explain why I would have responded to Ausuka voting me before other interactions, if I had seen it. Votes are the most important thing in the game, and I didn't want a townread especially to be voting me.- furtiveglance
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I edited my numbers in, but I don't do that much introspection so for some numbers I could probably oyt a different one on a different day. In other words, if the algorithm returns MAFIA, ignore it!In post 481, Frogsterking wrote:Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).
"Get angry easily" = 4 (it doesn't take much to irk me but I won't bring it up, I'll play it off).
"Take charge" = 3
"Make people feel welcome" = 3
"Like music" = 5
"Like to tidy up" = 1
"Like to visit new places" = 4
"Feel comfortable around people" = 2
"Interested in many things" = 5
"Love order and regularity" = 5
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 4
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 1
"Cheer people up" = 3
"Lose my temper" = 1
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 4
"Enjoy thinking about things" = 5
"Cheat to get ahead" = 1
"Feel desperate" = not enough info here, I don't get it
"Rarely overindulge" = 3
"Easily resist temptations" = 1
"Have a high opinion of myself" = 1
"Waste my time" = 5
"Need a push to get started" = 5
"Have little to contribute" = 3
"Keep my cool" = 5
"Avoid crowds" = 5
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I changed oyt to put.In post 528, furtiveglance wrote:
I edited my numbers in, but I don't do that much introspection so for some numbers I could probably PUT a different one on a different day. In other words, if the algorithm returns MAFIA, ignore it!In post 481, Frogsterking wrote:Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).
"Get angry easily" = 4 (it doesn't take much to irk me but I won't bring it up, I'll play it off).
"Take charge" = 3
"Make people feel welcome" = 3
"Like music" = 5
"Like to tidy up" = 1
"Like to visit new places" = 4
"Feel comfortable around people" = 2
"Interested in many things" = 5
"Love order and regularity" = 5
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 4
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 1
"Cheer people up" = 3
"Lose my temper" = 1
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 4
"Enjoy thinking about things" = 5
"Cheat to get ahead" = 1
"Feel desperate" = not enough info here, I don't get it
"Rarely overindulge" = 3
"Easily resist temptations" = 1
"Have a high opinion of myself" = 1
"Waste my time" = 5
"Need a push to get started" = 5
"Have little to contribute" = 3
"Keep my cool" = 5
"Avoid crowds" = 5
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It's for the best.In post 673, Frogsterking wrote:Strange vote @ furtiveglance- furtiveglance
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Agree with this, I am fanning these flamesIn post 704, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
This read list is odd in that Greeting decides that BBT should be out of the PoE despite BBT only having made two posts of substantive contentIn post 320, Greeting wrote:Sorting.
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You read this wrong, the townie points were sarcastic.In post 707, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
hutmeil votes Juice, then gives Frogster townpoints for unvoting juiceIn post 404, hutmeil wrote:Nice. I guess townie points for you. I'm still waiting for your survey though.
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I never explained this vote.
I was fed up of Frogsterking going "Delta/Gandhi/MND are being so sus rn it's really confbiasing my confbias about my Delta/Gandhi/MND solve look at me guys I'm confbiasing so hard rn".
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Take out Frog obviously, put MND in, put Gandhi inIn post 363, furtiveglance wrote:
I'd say I wouldn't vote you/DeltaWave/Frog/Greeting/Hoppip/Inutile today.In post 362, Ausuka wrote:
Who is town or mafia in this game?In post 359, Mohab500 wrote:
I mean, in most cases doesn't recognising town mean you also recognise mafia as its either town or mafia?In post 358, furtiveglance wrote:
I find town easier to recognise than mafia in general.In post 357, Ausuka wrote:That argument makes no sense. Obviously nothing is perfectly scum indicative. By that logic you shouldn't be scumreading Juice. They're just doing whatever they want as well, you just have a cookie cutter idea of what town play looks like.- furtiveglance
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MND towniest, Hoppip town, Greeting least townIn post 754, Ausuka wrote:Furtive can you talk about your MND/greeting/hoppip reads
If you don't have much time I'm most interested in the greeting one I think
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But when has anyone ever voted due to wagon composition?In post 757, furtiveglance wrote:Wagon composition suggests I should vote for hutmeil seeing as we're nearing crunch time- furtiveglance
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I think hutmeil is town, same with MND. If my dream vote on Frog won't go through today I'd vote Greeting.In post 757, furtiveglance wrote:Wagon composition suggests I should vote for hutmeil seeing as we're nearing crunch time- furtiveglance
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Hutmeil was previously not in the townreads because they did nothing towny. But given the urgency of the situation, I decided to reread their ISO and simplify my read on them to the binary level, and I think they're town. What I really want is for you and Delta to get off Hutmeil, I suppose that was the point to the multiple posts, if there was a point.In post 760, Ausuka wrote:I'm just confused. Why are you townreading hutmeil when he wasn't in your earlier list of townreads? And the whole move where you propose to vote Hutmeil and then make two new posts saying "no Actually I don't want to do that" just feels... strange.- furtiveglance
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Uninformed doesn't mean clueless, I have thoughts about the game. You're calling 2 townreads and a null read the scumteam, I'm sure it's not correct. Besides, the manner of your self-conscious proclamations of 'confbias' (an affliction which only troubles town) was more than a little overdone. You were acting.In post 763, Frogsterking wrote:
It's worth pointing out that this is more likely to annoy you if you know that I'm Town scumreading Town for stupid reasons. If you're playing from an uninformed perspective how are you so sure that my solve is bad that you're getting annoyed by me pushing it etc.In post 750, furtiveglance wrote:I never explained this vote.
I was fed up of Frogsterking going "Delta/Gandhi/MND are being so sus rn it's really confbiasing my confbias about my Delta/Gandhi/MND solve look at me guys I'm confbiasing so hard rn".
It seemed LAMIST and fake.- furtiveglance
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This is a weird thing to fake if you're mafia.In post 132, hutmeil wrote:UNVOTE: Furtive
I had the same question as him for Frog which I TR him for.- furtiveglance
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We're disagreeing about a lot.In post 768, Ausuka wrote:I really disagree and struggle to see what you're seeing in that
What's annoying me is that we're disagreeing, you're scumreading me, but I'm townreading you. I wouldn't blame an observer for scumreading me just based on that. Are you still scumreading me or can you afford me level ground?- furtiveglance
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I think this readslist is just the group consensus as it was at the time. As in the average of everyone's thoughts. It makes me think you just looked at post count instead of thinking about the game.In post 320, Greeting wrote:Sorting.
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