Mini Normal 2279: VGSR - GAME OVER

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I'm a kitty. Meow.

I read around... Half the pages, and the thing that sticks out to me is that Juice wagon so that's where I'm starting an analysis because I'm tired of reading pages.

Between posts #365 and #401 people are all over the guy.

I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.

VOTE: Juice

This feels like a really weak justification.

VOTE: Juice

I read through one of Luca's isos as Town and I saw enough to indicate that they would take furtiveglance's side here. It seems the Luca Blight tell only applies to situations where we are already very familiar with the player Juice and their meta and we KNOW they play this way as Town. I think it's fair to put the heat on Juice and make it clear we expect them to Town tell in some capacity.

Yeah I have no idea where this is going but it's effectively just a pressure vote. I've made votes solely for this purpose so I guess it's fine.

why would town!juice do that? it doesn't shake out

You could equally ask why scum Juice would do that. It's not good play as either alignment. I have no particular love for that slot and I'm sure they'll probably be eliminated at some point unless there's a replacement but I stand by the idea pushing them as your primary scumread at this point is safe and boring and somewhat scum indicative as a result.

i hear this, but juice needs pressure. juice can't just remain unexamined forever. we still have like, six days before d1 ends so there is time to apply pressure and still go in another direction if warranted.

VOTE: Juice

Weak vote. Six days is plenty of time.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DeltaWave

this Penguin is looking for an easy lynch - just because ive been a bit inactive

egregious #365 misrep

so far you've had a "random" vote on page 9 which just so happened to be on the largest wagon

now you do some OMGUS b/c i put pressure on you to stop lurking

and your only read is town on asuka, which is like the safest read ever

TELL ME MORE

I like the confrontational reaction from Delta here.

I was out today. I'll be able to post more this time tomorrow. In short, Deltawave has been giving some good stuff and I quite like it, enough to unvote. I think Eiralox looks worse from their back and forth and I think the "I faked a read to test reactions" is easily faked and not amazing townplay in any case. BBT is a bit sus but not enough to vote yet. I'll vote Juice because they laughed about being sussed for RVS or something and it was weird.

VOTE: Juice

I think this post is scummy - part of it is just that it feels a bit slimy? But I'm particular I don't get the eiralox read and I think the push on Juice is opportunistic and unlikely to lead to much while being a seemingly safe route for scum - I think town would be more likely to expand on the BBT read or push Eiralox harder since it's more likely to generate AI content at this stage

You may be thinking that he's limbait, but looking into his ISO, is there anything to townread

Juice

for?

I agree with the pressure on

Juice

. Or anyone from my PoE to be honest (320). One could say that the slot might not get any townier (or scummier) with pressure, but leaving these kinds of slots be is perfect for mafia, because they will never be townread, and horrible for town sorting. The game has now been going for a few good days and he's given very little.

I'll wait for the tally and then probably jump in.

Greeting just got out of a game where we basically let DWlee do nothing day 1 before replacing out, before letting Mala sit there doing nothing for almost two full gamedays. Mala was in fact scum. I can see this progression being natural and I find it null.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DeltaWave

this Penguin is looking for an easy lynch - just because ive been a bit inactive

I'd say a little more than a bit~

VOTE: Juice

It's been five days, time to wake up and start playing

The tone of this vote bugs me a bit here. Juice is pretty obviously an "easy" vote at this point regardless of his alignment.

VOTE: Juice

Highly likely to be scum. 5 days in and 0 game solving.

Will be catching up on this properly later today.

MN2272 had 2 people who fit this bill. Both were town who eventually replaced out. LN240 had a player get a countertrain on day 1 after a few days of doing nothing. They were also town, and were being run against the member of scum who was voted off day 1. This isn't anything that makes anyone "highly likely" to be scum.

Initially I gave Juice the benefit of the doubt (late RVS??). Then the slot voted Delta which I town lean, then town reads Ausuka for no given reason.

VOTE: Juice

As for the other slots, I'm willing to give a pass since it's still D1.

This is E-1 (if I counted correctly).

Why are you giving "every other slot" a pass since it's still day 1, but putting this guy -1 with five days left on day 1?

These are your E-3 to E-1 votes. Both the E=2 and E-1 votes feel like they're trying too hard to justify voting Juice, and I don't like either of their justifications at all.


I don't generally go nitpicking at individual posts when replacing in (and frankly I'm kinda done just reading swarms of posts tonight..), so I did a bit of ISO skimming.

Hutmeil, BBT, and Hoppip are the three lowest posters in the game. They are also the three worst votes on Juice.

Hutmeil: Votes Juice in #401... And immediately gives townie posts to FK for unvoting him in #404. He doesn't explain why he does this. He then makes post #408... [Already explained this. Basically, the slot lurks but is good enough for an elim because he has voted and given his read, so we can get some info next day].
Juice
Juice had provided a single read, a single vote and nothing else. This is info? This feels like Hutmeil knowing Juice is town, planning to use him flipping town against Delta, who is also town.

#525 he effectively deflects blame for his vote on Juice onto Juice himself. He unvotes Juice when replaced, and otherwise has contributed... Very little. Both #617 and #730 for example call someone both town and scum at the same time. Reads like that are empty and just give the appearance of contributions.

BBT tunnels on Juice... A lot. Then Juice gets replaced, and BBT basically stops posting. Post #131 is very long for how little it actually contributes. He then votes Delta, and asks questions, but doesn't seem to care about the answers before voting for Juice. There's so many questions being asked in this ISO and not a lot of straight statements that aren't about Juice and/or Delta being scum.

Hoppip's interaction with Eiralox feels decent enough, although...

I appreciate that Mapuche is playing, but I'm still gonna keep my vote there for now. I don't like the other leading wagon and the vanity wagons are yuck besides hutmeil's.

Hoppip:

Hmm...

You know what, I'll vote hutmeil if Mapuche does.

Where did this come from? Not particularly a fan of this progression. Kinda feels like it's setting up a reason to bus.


I looked into Eiralox after said Hoppip interactions. Is

probably

just annoyed town being abrasive. Not a strong read.
I went into Gandhi aka the hot topic of the game: Gandhi's first post in the entire game pinged me. I feel like he's making zero effort to even try to appear like town, and it's breaking my sensors. I need more time to figure out what I think about this guy.


Interesting fact: Reading MND's ISO last for now, I see... Him noticing a lot of the same thing that I did. I feel better about Juice having been town (I disagree with the Eiralox read stated in #817, but don't have any notable objections to the others). There's 1-2 scum in BBT, Hoppip, and Hutmeil, and Delta (the guy he was voting) is town.

I've already covered a lot more material than I expected to. If someone wants me to look into something else before I go to bed, let me know. I've been writing for a long time already.

Mapuche Never Die (4): hoppip, BlueBloodedToffee, Nero Cain, Frogsterking
Greeting (3): Mohab500, Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi
hutmeil (2): Ausuka, DeltaWave

Anyways I want current votals before I do anything, but I'm not a fan of either of these top trains. I town read one and I don't scum read the other (though I would say he feels a bit sedated in comparison to LN240, he's been VLA so it probably cancels out. I haven't gone over him thoroughly.). Juice was probably an ML, and the MND train feels like scum trying to still push it. Hoppip and BBT are still there. Hutmeil doesn't feel like he's made any attempt to scumhunt in this game at all, and is primed to jump back on MND if he gets a train under the guise of "self-preservation".

I didn't do a lot of looking into some of you yet. Like basically everyone in the world is townreading Ausuka and I kinda just ignored them for now and FK is probably an entire session on it's own.

I do want to ask people who seem like they have a strong sense of what Gandhi's alignment is

why

it is what it is at present, though. The guy feels like an enigma to me at first glance. Anyways.. At present I think Hutmeil is scum here and that Hoppip may have been fishing for an excuse to bus him should the tide turn his way. No idea what votals are though.

Ok suddenly it's almost midnight already.

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Oh I remember putting an unvote for Greeting down somewhere... At least I thought I did.

UNVOTE: Greeting

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Oh and Hutmeil is at 5 already.

hutmeil (5): Ausuka, DeltaWave, Greeting, Mapuche Never Die, Frogsterking
Greeting (4): Crescent, Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi, furtiveglance
Mapuche Never Die (3): hoppip, BlueBloodedToffee, Nero Cain

If I had to take a completely wild guess at this vote spread: Everyone on Hutmeil is town, which happens to include the other two vote leaders. I do need to give FK a proper dive tomorrow though.

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Okay I'll say Gandhi/hut/? scum and Ausuka is always Town here..

Yeah but why are you so certain on Gandhi?

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Oh I agree his ISO is bad and I may be in a trap of "It looks so bad how could scum be this bad".

His vote on Greeting feels increasingly putrid looking at this vote spread though. He jumps third on Greeting while posting random posts from 500 posts ago, but doesn't actually call him scum. 200 posts later he's still there, and he really hasn't attempted content since.

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I'm a kitty. Meow.

KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Well, that's one scum down~


Quick Greeting ISO because he's the new hot topic and I have to drive soon:

that's a fallacy that even very seasoned mafia players make, so i'll call it a null for you. specifically, I'm referring to the idea that if you think Player A is town and Player B votes for Player A then Player B is likely mafia. makes assumptions that aren't true, and day 1 usually consists of town primarily going at each other while mafia eggs it on or hides. but like I said, even people who have played many many games make this mistake so I will call it a null for you.

I don't fully agree with this.

Casting suspicion on players who are obvtown

is

a valid scumtell.

i'm standing by my position that inutile is sus and i really don't care that it's making people scumread me. i'm not going to back off what i think is my best read right now because it's unpopular or it might get me eliminated. clearly, an inutile elimination is not going to happen right now based on how people are reading her but i don't operate on consensus like that. i truly do not understand why people see inutile as town. as i said before, if there's evidence that she always plays this way (even as town) then my tune might change but to date, nobody has done so unless I somehow missed it. you can think i'm mafia all you want but i would have picked a safer bet than this if that was the case. if you really think that mafia will wagon popular players instead of killing them at night i dont know what to tell you.

Is 67 the only reason you are sussing

intuile

?

While I think Delta is probably town, Greeting used this same logic to correctly call Unsure scum day 2 in 240. Delta doubling down like this is basically the opposite reaction that Unsure had to it as well.

Sorting.

Greeting

inutile

Ausuka

furtiveglance
BlueBloodedToffee
Frogsterking

DeltaWave

PoE:

Juice
hutmeil
hoppip
Eiralox
Mohab500
Nuclear Gandhi

This read list is odd in that Greeting decides that BBT should be out of the PoE despite BBT only having made two posts of substantive content

I honestly don’t remember why I did this. I played one game with him where I was scum, and felt threatened enough that I killed him (Newbie 2095). I probably saw the same tone as in that game and just put him into the townbin for that. I will have to check to make sure though.

BBT comes onto his townlist out of nowhere. There's no real justification for this townread on BBT in the entire ISO. This is his response when pressed, but he doesn't ever follow up on it. BBT is later absent from his POE, but no reason is ever given why.

Eiralox’s whole presence in the game feels disruptive. Sometimes it seems like the guy is just itching to start a nonsensical argument and other times he posts a ridiculously wrong hot take. This is my general feeling about this slot. I am fundamentally unopposed to eliminating him like, anytime.

Something about this bugs me. It feels like it's setting up to vote Eiralox without actually calling Eiralox scum, just "disruptive". Eiralox is someone I townread on first glance. I have two questions for Greeting after combing this ISO because I feel it lacks a good answer to either:

Why was BBT on your townlist to begin with, and what has he done to stay there?

What is your case on Eiralox? They're in your POE in 796... But you essentially said nothing about them at all until #873, and all you said was "they feel disruptive". The only interaction you even have with them is them immediately questioning your intent to hammer Juice. I don't feel like you've made a valid point to justify a vote here.

The guy I replaced being in the POE is.. "fine", given he wasn't particularly active. I wonder if I should ISO the guy I replaced, though I generally prefer not to.


I kinda feel like post #850 from Hutmeil was more fluid content than we've gotten from Greeting, and I'm more interested in seeing Greeting respond to my questions than a hammer.

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Oh and on a side note it nags at me a bit that FK tried to push me to vote almost immediately after replacing in and still operating under obviously incomplete information

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Had some time to go over Nero and.. Honestly nothing in this ISO particularly sticks out aside from theee things. He's obviously scum for wanting to kill a cat with fire, he tunnels on MND quite a bit, and I want some more elaboration on his though process with Hutmeil. In #770 he says he doesn't get the case, and in #780 he points out one specific post in the ISO and says he "could" be scum, but says the rest are fine. The next post about him is the vote at #843 puts him -1, but again it just comes with a "maybe".

The progression on him is cloudy at best and it feels like it stops short of actually calling him scum. I'd like some more clarity on this thought process.

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I'm content with my D1 vote so..
That's my today's input.

You voted him for next to no reason with essentially no level of certainty that he's scum. Did something change?

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I think your vote on him was rushed at best, as he wasn't even in the game for a full day before you voted him. That really isn't a long time in a game that was over a week old. People take different lengths of time to phase into a game.

It's also kinda interesting when I looked into his ISO to see him noticing quite a few of the same things that I had already written about earlier in my long post, which makes it feel more likely to me that it came from a town mindset.

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I do see Furitive's argument here. #853 Nero insinuates he's scum with Hutmeil trying to protect him, and #868 he insinuates Furitive is scum acting under the knowledge that Hutmeil is town.

Regardless though, not really interested in a vote there today. Nero kinda just feels like he spouts everything he's thinking when he thinks it. It has better potential to be coming from a town mentality than many others.

Hut dropped a long post in #850, but didn't actually stay around. The post itself was alright, but the lack of follow up is a big concern. It feels like he just dropped everything into a single post and hoped it would be enough.

BBT has still done absolutely nothing since Juice left the game, and I'm not opposed to voting there. 2273 BBT was so much more aggressive than this it's staggering. Doesn't feel like the same player at all.

He as well as Hoppip have no posts in over 24 hours. I kinda like Hoppip's interaction with Eiralox, but I would really like to see updated reads and reactions here.


Anyways, if either Hoppip or Greeting try to idle out the day, I say kill them with fire. I don't want this day ending without some answers from the both of them. I don't like a Nero vote though.

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I'm going to puke if my solve is correct. I'm most willing to reassess on Gandhi.

im sorry im a bit of a tipsy lazy reader today. what xactly is ur solve? excluding gandhi, let's assume they are tovn for this experiment, vhich 3 slots vould u say are scum?

cos rn RE: Juice: 100% null. No data. I want juice to engage but rn i don't have enough data to even consider voting that way. And gandhi........ why they so silent? weekend awol? cos i mean i'll see scum in gandhi until gandhi convinces me otherwise. which so far: gandhi>eira: French Revo.

So where's ghandi? I want gandhi to approach ur case on them pronto. I said that slot is 100% scum............................. am i being unbending? th only person who can convince me about gandhi rn is gandhi. I'll wait.


@Gandhi: reads on Hutmeil, Toffee and Ausuka. This will help me sort you, perhaps mollify my burning desire to see you consigned to the nuclear fire. Sooooo................. yeah i think that's exactly what I want rn, from one specific slot.

Looking through Eiralox’s past town games, there is a marked tonal difference between this game and both of those. I’ll elaborate soonish

[I'm looking at Eiralox and Delta and it's reminding me of my interactions with Eiralox in 2273 on day 1 where it quickly devolved to the point where we basically couldn't communicate without yelling at each other. Seems more annoyed than scummy to me.

Which reminds me of something:

quote="In post 677, Mapuche Never Die"]

I'm going to puke if my solve is correct. I'm most willing to reassess on Gandhi.

im sorry im a bit of a tipsy lazy reader today. what xactly is ur solve? excluding gandhi, let's assume they are tovn for this experiment, vhich 3 slots vould u say are scum?

cos rn RE: Juice: 100% null. No data. I want juice to engage but rn i don't have enough data to even consider voting that way. And gandhi........ why they so silent? weekend awol? cos i mean i'll see scum in gandhi until gandhi convinces me otherwise. which so far: gandhi>eira: French Revo.

So where's ghandi? I want gandhi to approach ur case on them pronto. I said that slot is 100% scum............................. am i being unbending? th only person who can convince me about gandhi rn is gandhi. I'll wait.


@Gandhi: reads on Hutmeil, Toffee and Ausuka. This will help me sort you, perhaps mollify my burning desire to see you consigned to the nuclear fire. Sooooo................. yeah i think that's exactly what I want rn, from one specific slot.

Looking through Eiralox’s past town games, there is a marked tonal difference between this game and both of those. I’ll elaborate soonish[/quote]
This elaboration of this "marked tonal difference" never happened and I'd like it to happen. I don't have any problems with Eiralox at the moment.

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Oh lord what the hell did I do to that post

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i let that from mapuche slide cos i don't engage with meta arguments. if mapuche still has that feel they're free to bring it up, i honestly don't know whether i'll engage tho

i let that from mapuche slide cos i don't engage with meta arguments. if mapuche still has that feel they're free to bring it up, i honestly don't know whether i'll engage tho

It's one of only two posts he has made addressing you, and it appears to be the crux of his scum lean on you in his collective post at #817. I feel like he hasn't adequately made his case.

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Ok seriously what am I doing with the quotes tonight

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I do see Furitive's argument here. #853 Nero insinuates he's scum with Hutmeil trying to protect him, and #868 he insinuates Furitive is scum acting under the knowledge that Hutmeil is town.

Regardless though, not really interested in a vote there today. Nero kinda just feels like he spouts everything he's thinking when he thinks it. It has better potential to be coming from a town mentality than many others.

Hut dropped a long post in #850, but didn't actually stay around. The post itself was alright, but the lack of follow up is a big concern. It feels like he just dropped everything into a single post and hoped it would be enough.

BBT has still done absolutely nothing since Juice left the game, and I'm not opposed to voting there. 2273 BBT was so much more aggressive than this it's staggering. Doesn't feel like the same player at all.

He as well as Hoppip have no posts in over 24 hours. I kinda like Hoppip's interaction with Eiralox, but I would really like to see updated reads and reactions here.


Anyways, if either Hoppip or Greeting try to idle out the day, I say kill them with fire. I don't want this day ending without some answers from the both of them. I don't like a Nero vote though.

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, is there a single question in this game I haven’t answered?

I mean,

Eiralox

might have asked some as I’ve seen them longposting about their supposed scumread of me but admittedly I’ve just been ignoring their posts.

quote="In post 893, Crescent"]Why was BBT on your townlist to begin with, and what has he done to stay there?

What is your case on Eiralox? They're in your POE in 796... But you essentially said nothing about them at all until #873, and all you said was "they feel disruptive". The only interaction you even have with them is them immediately questioning your intent to hammer Juice. I don't feel like you've made a valid point to justify a vote here.[/quote]
These were two things I felt you still needed to answer for. I definitely still want an explanation of why you had BBT as solidly town for so long given how little he's actually done.

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My problem with Greeting is his POE continues to look like he pulled it out of his ass, and when directly questioned on the lack of BBT by me (I feel glaring omissions in POE are more likely to come from scum), he dodged it... While giving an excuse to dodge a question if it came from Eiralox, who he says he wants to vote but has never made a case for being scum.

He responds to post Nero's post #901 directly with some mild excuses that didn't answer anything. I case Greeting in #893 and ask for two specific questions before the day ends. My post, unlike Nero's is ignored. He then bails when I re-ask the same questions. Greeting feels like he's picking and choosing what to respond to, to say as little as possible - He doesn't feel like he's actually trying to solve. As bad as BBT has been, Greeting's actions do make me at least ponder a potential S/T scenario where he's committed himself to making BBT look worse through inaction.

Question for Ausuka though:

Greeting (4): Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi, furtiveglance, Mapuche Never Die

I townread two of these people and I don't scumread the other two. Why is this wagon yuck?


Also I want a prod on Hoppip. There's still time for it. I got shot night 1 in my last mini normal and I had only two days day 1 in this one so damnit I'm using those two days.

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Oh and for the record if I had to vote right now it'd be on Greeting. He had until I woke up today to answer important questions I asked yesterday.

Like to see if we can draw like... Anything at all out of BBT outside of a naked vote on Hut.

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The one thing I have to say about Ausuka at the moment is that I scrutinized Hoppip my first post of the game, and have continued to do so. It feels a bit disingenuous to say he's the only one to look at the guy.

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people are looking for an easy answer and hutmeil ain't it. the greeting wagon isn't yuck btw, the hutmeil wagon is yuck: it has greeting and bbt.

I'm mystified by both frogster and ausuka these past few pages.

I'm mystified why you ignore my reasons and just call Hutmeil "feels town" and expect me to just go along with it?

Do you think Hutmeil isn't pushing the people who are easy to scumread? Really?

I wouldn't say Hutmeil feels like town, but I also don't like the train - BBT's vote was awful and Greeting is scummy. FK has essentially done nothing since I joined the game other than parrot himself that Hutmeil needs to die.

Greeting feels more like scum who's trying to ride the day out saying nothing. I'd argue he does not have a single post of actual content since I joined the game. My questions last night were a test to draw some important answers from him, and he failed that test about as badly as possible.

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If Frog is opportunistic scum, wouldn't it make sense for him to pivot out of your wagon once it became clear it didn't have much traction?

Yes that makes sense too. I'm keeping both Frog!Town and Frog!Scum points in mind.

I guess I was wanting to know why you think it's townie of frog with that in mind

Given both points, his action is both townie and scummy at the same time.

However, right now he's been wagon-hopping so I'm scum leaning him at the moment. I know that's NAI (I've seen this in another game and the slot turned out Town) but that's how it feels to me right now.

admittedly, there was some skimming involved but I was able to read the whole game last night,

My worry here is that Gandhi is "perpetually behind" as a scum tactic rather than actually just being too lazy/busy to catch up.

^This. I actually feel the same way. The way he formats his replies bugs me too (sorry Gandhi!). It's a pain to see because of the spacing (or the lack thereof) and I'm wondering if this is a scum tactic to simply look "helpful" with loads of info but is simply buying time.

I mean look at this post

I'm not going to act like it never comes from town - of course it's possible for town to be suspicious of the most widely suspected players! - but how can you argue that Greeting pushing Eiralox and Mohab is just 'looking for the easy pushes' as if that's not exactly what Hutmeil is actually doing

The biggest problem I have is the "town and scum at the same time", and he does it in almost two consecutive posts. It's a way of saying something without saying anything.

But this is also the biggest difference I see between them. Hut is scumhunting poorly, and Greeting isn't scumhunting at all.

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I mean you said you were ignoring me seems fair to return the favour ^.^

In any case, the context was that I was pushing hoppip earlier and tried to justify it but no one was interested. Do you think I purposefully left out your questioning to some nefarious end?

No I think you just totally overlooked it but I wanted to make it sound a little more menacing to see how you'd react.

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Greeting (4): Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi, furtiveglance, Mapuche Never Die

I townread two of these people and I don't scumread the other two. Why is this wagon yuck?

I do still want an answer to this question though. What's your take on this wagon?

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So nice I misread it twice. Neat.

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So I was making my morning tea and something suddenly dawned on me, in these exact words: "Why the fuck is Hutmeil not on Greeting?"

Hutmeil claimed he scum reads Greeting in #850, and there are just a few hours left in the day. Why isn't he voting him? The only other person in his stated POE who even has a vote is BBT, who is at 1.

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I've now spent 20 minutes pondering this (Ok, and watching Premiere League) and the only thing I can think of is Hutmeil hasn't voted on purpose and intends to vote whoever gives him the highest chance of survival at the last moment.

I said earlier he was at least scumhunting poorly, but his lack of a vote suggests he isn't actually scumhunting at all. I haven't been able to think of a town motive for his vote not being on Greeting here.

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What do you think about him not having his vote down on Greeting here? There's ~4 hours left in the day, he's -1, and he's... Not voting a guy he said he suspects who's at 4?

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So I was making my morning tea and something suddenly dawned on me, in these exact words: "Why the fuck is Hutmeil not on Greeting?"

Hutmeil claimed he scum reads Greeting in #850, and there are just a few hours left in the day. Why isn't he voting him? The only other person in his stated POE who even has a vote is BBT, who is at 1.

i thought about it before and chalked it up to wariness/disengagement/unsurity. hopmeil is a gandhi.

Oh.

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I believe these votes are current. Those are some seriously unhelpful splinters, and it's been a long time since the players on either splinter posted.

hutmeil (6): Ausuka, DeltaWave, Greeting, Frogsterking, Nero Cain, BBT
Greeting (3): Eiralox, Nuclear Gandhi, Furitiveglance
MND (1): Hoppip
BBT (1): MND

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You know what 3 hours left I'm just going to vote the one I think is more likely to be scum based on the way they've played. Greeting had his hand in so many pots in 240 that I openly suspected him chessmastering it for a long period time, and my suspicion annoyed him. I can't even get him to answer a question in this one without him deflecting it and bailing. The closest thing he has to content in the last few days is #873, where he shades everyone on his wagon. He doesn't feel like he's making any attempt to solve the game.

Anyways, this is my Day 1 final PoE.

hutmeil
hoppip
Eiralox
Mohab500

Left out

Mapuche Never Die

and

Nuclear Gandhi

because both of them produced sufficient amounts of good content.

I am happy to eliminate anyone out of these four really and

hutmeil

is a good candidate. I don't think I really need to expand on the

hutmeil

case as everything has been said. His only case was Juice, and when he got replaced, he didn't build a second one.

@

Nero Cain

: if anyone is actively lurking this game, especially since Juice's replace-out, I would say it's

hutmeil

.

After saying he doesn't need to expand on Hutmeil, he does it anyway, by arguing a point that is completely wrong. BBT almost completely stopped posting the moment Juice replaced out. The guy I replaced, who is even on this list,

never posted again

after Juice replaced out. Hutmeil did nothing that I would say looked good, but he

was

around. This reason for throwing more shade on him 12 posts after voting him is total BS. Nothing about this feels genuine.


VOTE: Greeting

[Crescent]

Do you think being at a middle point between their existing town games is actually scum indicative for eiralox or am I misunderstanding

Ok I was trying to figure out a proper way to ask this because it is kinda what it looks like.

[Crescent]

It's 2 hours and 43 minutes until deadline. I remember specifically, because it's exactly when I start work today.

[Crescent]

Day 1 ends in 0 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes

So this is actually 8 hours and 40 minutes? So basically the day ends at the end of my shift, not the start... But like... I only quoted the wrong time like... 4 times on the last page?

[Crescent]

Oh. I often look at page 1 when I want a quick glance of the time since I know it'll be right near the top. The post there still reads 2 hours.

[Crescent]

Anyways this does explain why I kind of felt like there was a bit of a lack of urgency for a game so close to deadline.

..But it also means I can get some rest in before work yay

[Crescent]

Greeting could very well be scum but I hate the idea of killing an unclaimed.

Crescent and MND both look kinda bad for helping to contribute to a nl, assuming Hut doesn't get it.

not a fan of BBT's drive by vote

This is bad.

When did either of us indicate we would be willing to accept an NL? MND even flat out said he'd hammer Hutmeil before deadline if Greeting doesn't go. I'm also well on record in previous games (such as the afforementioned 2273) that I'm anti-NL.

How are we contributing to an NL by voting the person we think is likelier to be scum, when there's still hours left on the clock? He's also only 1 vote behind Hutmeil. This is an extreme misrepresentation of our votes.

[Crescent]

Fwiw I am willing to hammer Greeting if need be. I think that slot still has an ok chance of being red even though I think there are several better eliminations today. I should be around for about five hours from now.

This kinda echoes my thoughts, just from the other side. I'd rather do Greeting or BBT before Hutmeil (They seem to be going out of their way to avoid talking about the other), though I could see Hut being scum. Comedy option is we just all collectively say fuck it and throw Hoppip into a volcano given the guy hasn't posted in almost 50 hours.

[Crescent]

And by "almost 50" I mean "almost 54" because somehow I completely failed at basic time math.

[Crescent]

Well, this is just to generate discussion/reaction really. For example, if someone likes my ugly readslist then that slot would be sus for me.

Ok this feels fake as fuck.

[Crescent]

Why was BBT on your townlist to begin with, and what has he done to stay there?

What is your case on Eiralox? They're in your POE in 796... But you essentially said nothing about them at all until #873, and all you said was "they feel disruptive". The only interaction you even have with them is them immediately questioning your intent to hammer Juice. I don't feel like you've made a valid point to justify a vote here.
These were two things I felt you still needed to answer for. I definitely still want an explanation of why you had BBT as solidly town for so long given how little he's actually done.

I spoke of

BBT

in 936. That was probably the reason, though now I kinda agree that the read was rushed and doesn't look great. I've just re-looked into his ISO and the tone kinda feels genuine so I can see why I felt like townbinning them at that moment.

And no, I am not casing

Eiralox

today.

You said you rushed the read on him in #936, but you didn't actually give a reason. You kinda just gave excuses.

[Crescent]

This game solve is hutmeil/Gandhi/furtiveglance right?

In case I am voted out today, I support this gamesolve.

Also, I am being heavily suspected for townhunting and voting players from my ISO, but it occurs to me that a lot of others are doing the exact same thing (

Ausuka

,

furtiveglance

,

MND

). Like, there's no casing here, just "*shrug* I am okay with this case". So yeah, kinda hypocritical of them to be fair.

hutmeil
hoppip
Eiralox
Crescent

Is still my Day 1 PoE, and I believe there are scum amongst these four. My vote will remain on

hutmeil

.

PEdit: Was I hammered?

The vote is 6/6, but... What?


"I support this gamesolve"

"Here is the same POE that has exactly one of those people in it".

[Crescent]

You're not hammered because it's 6/6 and we have an inactive on MND.

I really want some clarification between 1019 and 1024 because those posts appear to directly contradict each other.

[Crescent]

By the way if Greeting is scum I

really[/i[ dislike Nero trying to immediately shade MND and I for voting him, while also acknowledging he might be scum.

[Crescent]

you voted Greeting when you THOUGHT there were only 3 hours left. You and him could have contributed to a nl if 3 other people didn't vote for Greeting or 1 more Hut. Its like you were passing the buck and leaving the game to chance.

greeting should claim.

MND flat out said he would hammer Hut if he came down to it and you are completely ignoring this.

This feels like a really slimy way to defend Greeting.

[Crescent]

Because quoting two posts on phone is a hassle and I'm leaving for work very soon. It's much quicker just to specifically the post numbers.

[Crescent]

He didn't claim that I can remember. I'll occasionally peek in at work but I generally can't do much when I'm not on break. I want an answer to how 1019 and 1024 don't blatantly contradict.

I've gotta get my stuff started but I was hoping for an answer before this.

[Crescent]

Just got out of the freezer and this should've been done by now

UNVOTE:

VOTE: hutmeil

Don't particularly trust but not voting off an encountered cop claim on day 1

[Crescent]

Oh my vote got nin.ja ed

Neat

[Crescent]

Amazon doe.s

[Crescent]

Give Hut aybe like a 66% chance of a scumflip

Should have break before it ends

[Crescent]

In case I get shot tonight make sure to get answers from Hoppip tomorrow.

Don't particularly trust his last posts or his absence.

[Crescent]

Credibility is kind of a sham concept.

I'm fine with Ausuka, NMD, Eira, DW at the moment. Kinda think if Greeting is town and Nero is scum that he'd have hammered that so he's probably good if Greeting is.

[Crescent]

Oh and Gandhi remains a total enigma to me whom I both don't inherently scumread but also don't trust at all. If you can find something that really gets him talking go for it.

[Crescent]

Uh, the day was hammered by two people (at the same time) over an hour ago on Hutmeil.

Anyways I really can't stretch this out any further but if for some reason this is still going in two hours that might be neat but I'm.. Fine with that Eiralox post. Seemed mad and kinda just missing the day already being over.