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I dislike this post. There is no need for town!Gandhi to ask questions about Ausuka’s vote, it’s obvious that Ausuka’s vote was made jokingly, but Gandhi asks Ausuka why she hasn’t commented on his play. The other part of this post I dislike is Gandhi asking Ausuka whom she has played the most with. It’s a question that doesn’t lead to anything and is purposefully designed to fake content:In post 7, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:Ohh hoppip is a pokemon lol.
Ausuka, whom have you most experience here with? I want to know because I'm trying to understand why the random looking vote and random looking mention, while ignoring me - the only player who has posted before you.- Mapuche Never Die
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The same applies to this post. Gandhi is latching on to Ausuka’s experience with BBT and asking questions about that, but Gandhi doing this doesn’t advance the game and reads like faked content.In post 10, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:Be straight with me. Did you know the reference or did you google it?
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I do agree that Gandhi seems comfortable, but judging by what he has said about his prior experience, he isn’t a newbie to the game of mafia which negates this point.In post 15, Ausuka wrote:First read is that nuclear Gandhi is town becauseI want to pocket himI think he feels comfortable- Mapuche Never Die
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This post makes a very good point. Inutile has been dancing around providing a read on Ausuka but also talking about Ausuka’s posting. Scum!me used to do this a lot, I would call someone’s posts ‘weird’ and when questioned about it I would say that it was just a random remark.In post 29, Ausuka wrote:
Ok, am I mafia?In post 26, inutile wrote:was saying it felt like a sort of
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"this is how to post at the beginning of the game" thing
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This post is another classic scumtell. Inutile shades Ausuka but walks it back and says that it’s something player indicative. Like, why even make that post in the first place if your conclusion is just that it’s NAI.In post 33, inutile wrote:
you made very common opener, which you were aware of and said when asked, i guess i was thinking through the noteworthiness of nuclear gandhi's questioning of it and your response to itIn post 32, Ausuka wrote:
I didn't really know. I mean, I think talking about my opener being textbook RVS seems somewhat nonsensical? It's the very start of the game, there aren't many options.In post 27, inutile wrote:
though i am now kinda curious what else you could have thought i was trying to say there (also to me i am simply saying it not trying to say but i understand that i am often unclear and am happy to clarify)In post 25, Ausuka wrote:Not sure what you're trying to say here.
I don't really have a feeling about hoppip. Maybe I will later, idk.
Pedit: I'm trying to ask, like, what are you getting at with what you're saying? Were you just narrating my play?
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i guess i don't really understand as it still kinda feels like you're just doing the engagement thing with me but that's more player indicative and not alignment indicative so- Mapuche Never Die
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Inutile tries to frame Ausuka’s scumread as inutile being unable to effectively communicate, which is just false. If I was not catching up, my vote would be on Intuile.In post 40, inutile wrote:can you at least do whatever it is you would do to sort me as it feels like the extent of your scumread if you're town is simply that i do not communicate effectively which is obvious and i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
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Is your scumread deltawave lolIn post 58, Frogsterking wrote:
I actually think you've got me here and that everything you're saying in 53 is true.In post 53, Ausuka wrote:
I mean, you said I didn't notice your read because I was distracted by fighting with inutile. That seems to imply my read with inutile is distracting me from reading other players somehow. I am suggesting that your scumread is not that obvious and you should talk about it because there's no use in being vague about that information.In post 51, Frogsterking wrote:
You're the only one who said anything about being tunneled, I just said you were Town. You can't say I've implied you have bad reads either because I'm trusting your read on Ghandi.In post 49, Ausuka wrote:You seem to have this idea in your head that I'm tunneled
I have three reasons mainly for not outing the scum slot yet:
- I want them to post more before they become alarmed so that it will be easier to look for their partners on later days.
I want them to participate in my survey start and if I out my scum read on them first they probably won't want to do that.
I want to give other players a chance to find them without me spoiling it.
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Ooh, yes.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
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“I do not think I was trying particularly hard to look town”In post 80, inutile wrote:
eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town just stating a preference for ausuka to directly sort me now as to not detract from gameIn post 79, DeltaWave wrote:
yeah that's the point of the game. the problem is that it's sus imo to try too hard to look townIn post 77, inutile wrote:but yes i would like to find the mafias i do not really get what you’re saying
but eh the issues you’re having with me here have been fairly common experiences for me throughout so shrug
This post comes from the perspective of someone who considers deliberately trying to look town a possibility.
Intuile is just scum- Mapuche Never Die
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lmao nice timing
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We came to the exact same conclusion based on that post which is usually weak +townpointsIn post 85, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
But youIn post 80, inutile wrote: eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town just stating a preference for ausuka to directly sort me now as to not detract from gamewere tryingto look town? I consider this as admission for guilt.
VOTE: inutile
Please do elaborate on your Inutile townread. Are you like super familiar playing with them? I couldn't even comprehend what they were trying to say, not to mention trying to read them - best I could come up with was they were flabbergasted from wolf stress. That is, until their "I wasn't trying to look townIn post 41, Frogsterking wrote:Inutile and Asuka both townlocked.that much" which I think has a chance of being a slip.- Mapuche Never Die
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Town gets townread by solving the game, not by manipulating other players into believing they are town.In post 90, inutile wrote:
you've already tried to rephrase it as something very different from what i even said so it is so hard for me to see this as anything more than you want to say i am mafia whether that is because you are mafia or because you simply think this is likely (which again kinda hard for me to see) but idrkIn post 89, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
Does anyone else believe this's a stretch read?
But you were trying to look town? I consider this as admission for guilt.eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town
like i was directly replying to delta wave saying i was possibly trying too hard to look town which i was not that isn't what was occurring and you are instead saying that i was saying that i was trying to look like a town because i am not a town which doesn't really follow
and well town should try to be townread greeting and i have discussed that at some length in a previous game however i wasn't even thinking about that at all at the time- Mapuche Never Die
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In post 92, Mohab500 wrote:Vote: InutileI am just on the wagon, trying to lynch some rando early on good strat
Ausuka’s reevaluation of Intuile is towny - the Intuile wagon was picking up speed and I don’t see why scum!Ausuka, the main driver of the wagon, would stop itIn post 96, Ausuka wrote:
I mean, inutile seems to have a pretty blatant anxious sort of personality. and like, I don't think anyone would be confusing on purpose? So I'm unclear why you're scumreading them for this hereIn post 76, DeltaWave wrote:
frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks badIn post 73, hoppip wrote:
What do you think of the rest of its posts?In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile- Mapuche Never Die
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Waking up today, I think it is a bit of a stretch read but there is definitely a world in which it’s a slip.In post 98, Ausuka wrote:
Do you think scum would admit guilt so openly?In post 89, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:
Does anyone else believe this's a stretch read?
But you were trying to look town? I consider this as admission for guilt.eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town- Mapuche Never Die
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I would hesitate to say that fighting at the start of the game is something only town do, that’s a generalized tell that doesn’t account for an individual player’s playstyle.In post 99, Frogsterking wrote:
I have never played with Inutile. I believe Inutile is Town because of their fight with Asuka. Scum are rarely going to square off like that at the beginning of the game.In post 85, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:Please do elaborate on your Inutile townread. Are you like super familiar playing with them? I couldn't even comprehend what they were trying to say, not to mention trying to read them - best I could come up with was they were flabbergasted from wolf stress. That is, until their "I wasn't trying to look town that much" which I think has a chance of being a slip.- Mapuche Never Die
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This is just bad surface-level observation. Hoppip’s post is just parroting a common mafia philosophy and applying it to the current situation.In post 122, furtiveglance wrote:
TownIn post 82, hoppip wrote:
Hmm...I suppose that's fair. But I'm not so sure that "looks bad" is the same as "looks scummy." For instance, I think it looks bad that you're shading Inutile for superficial reasons. But do you think that's scummy?In post 76, DeltaWave wrote:
frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks badIn post 73, hoppip wrote:
What do you think of the rest of its posts?In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile- Mapuche Never Die
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In post 126, furtiveglance wrote:
But seriously....this is kind of increasing my scumread on you. Why don't you talk about inutile, do you still think they're mafia?In post 123, DeltaWave wrote:
this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbhIn post 113, furtiveglance wrote:
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.
VOTE: DeltaWave
The observation about Intuile playing a lot like how DW used to play as scum seems like it’s genuine.In post 129, DeltaWave wrote:
that's funny, because you're looking more like town to me the more we talk. I'd say there's a decent 75% chance that inutile is mafia. signal-to-noise ratio is very bad, trying too hard w/r/t townclaiming, etc. reminds me of how I used to play a mafioso when I was new, very frantic. the 25% exception is if this user just plays like this all the time but I do not know the relevant meta.In post 126, furtiveglance wrote:
But seriously....this is kind of increasing my scumread on you. Why don't you talk about inutile, do you still think they're mafia?In post 123, DeltaWave wrote:
this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbhIn post 113, furtiveglance wrote:
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.
VOTE: DeltaWave
btw, someone (I forgot who - it's a page or so back) misunderstood why I was sussing inutile. it wasn't because mafia was plural or anything. it's that the whole "let's come together as town, I'm one of you, let's get those evil mafias" is a sus thing to say overall, especially early game. maybe later on when there are some flips or lots of evidence that's a decent thing to say but combined with everything else, inutile just seems like a mafioso on a sugar high.- Mapuche Never Die
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Gandhi doesn’t exactly seem like an aggressive manipulatorIn post 130, Frogsterking wrote:
It's okay, the improv stuff was for Asuka primarily rather than for you.In post 128, furtiveglance wrote:
Why are you scumreading Ghandhi? Bit of a non-sequitur I know but I don't want to get into your improv stuff.In post 127, Frogsterking wrote:I had this one improv teacher who was pretty cool who taught us that the hardest lesson in improv is to learn to accept gifts.
Once I saw Eir and Greeting both voted Ghandi I interpreted that as a sign that something was wrong. I reflected on why they may have done that. I realized that Ghandi is attempting to aggressively manipulate as many players as possible and that my initial Townread on them was naive. I believe Ghandi is either a manipulative Townie or a scum slot. In other words, I don't trust Ghandi regardless of their alignment, and I believe their alignment in this case may be scum, because even though it may be NAI for them to be manipulative, the way they're being manipulative in this game doesn't help them to collect AI information about other players.- Mapuche Never Die
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Not yet.In post 594, Frogsterking wrote:Mapuche do you scum read anyone on my list- Mapuche Never Die
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This post is shading Frogster for bad reasons. Frogster has explicitly said that he has a strange playstyle, so it should be obvious that Frogster isn’t actually locktowning Ausuka and Intuile when he says that Ausuka and Intuile are lock town.In post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, caught up. Stuff following;
A few things here, first regarding 51;In post 58, Frogsterking wrote: I actually think you've got me here and that everything you're saying in 53 is true.
I have three reasons mainly for not outing the scum slot yet:
- I want them to post more before they become alarmed so that it will be easier to look for their partners on later days.
I want them to participate in my survey start and if I out my scum read on them first they probably won't want to do that.
I want to give other players a chance to find them without me spoiling it.
1) Why would you trust a town reads reads so early into a game?
2) This feels like an attempt to pocket Ausuka
Also, the point about pocketing Ausuka is off. Ausuka scumreads Frogster, and now frogster is saying that Ausuka’s points are correct. That’s not a scummy thing to do at all. If anything, it shows a towny flexibility.
Sure, frogster’s post serves no real purpose, but that doesn’t make him scum.As for 58, this is a bad post in general. The first point about not wanting scum to know you're scum reading them - at this point about 5 players had posted anything of note, you were one of them and you town locked the other two (possibly three?) so there really weren't many players left who it could have been.
Other two points are fluff, especially third. Unless you're looking for potential mindmelds, but meh, not a fan of this at all.
This is a filler question that doesn’t advance the game.Serious vote?
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BBT, Intuile and Gandhi a little. But I’m also not caught up.In post 598, Frogsterking wrote:
Who exactly do you scum read?In post 596, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
Not yet.In post 594, Frogsterking wrote:Mapuche do you scum read anyone on my list- Mapuche Never Die
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….hutmeil?In post 137, Frogsterking wrote:I'm already leaning Town on hutmeil and BBT.
The guy who made 3 posts, one naked RVS vote, and 2 posts explaining that their vote was RVS….?- Mapuche Never Die
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Literally the only thing I do as town or scum is respond to other player’s postsIn post 147, furtiveglance wrote:
I am happy that BBT is now voting with me, but I don't townread this post at all. I've found that responding to other people's reads/comments and following up like this is one of the easiest things to do as mafia, because a lot of the time town players' reads/comments on the game don't make a lot of sense and you can look towny as scum by criticising that.In post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, caught up. Stuff following;
A few things here, first regarding 51;In post 58, Frogsterking wrote: I actually think you've got me here and that everything you're saying in 53 is true.
I have three reasons mainly for not outing the scum slot yet:
- I want them to post more before they become alarmed so that it will be easier to look for their partners on later days.
I want them to participate in my survey start and if I out my scum read on them first they probably won't want to do that.
I want to give other players a chance to find them without me spoiling it.
1) Why would you trust a town reads reads so early into a game?
2) This feels like an attempt to pocket Ausuka
As for 58, this is a bad post in general. The first point about not wanting scum to know you're scum reading them - at this point about 5 players had posted anything of note, you were one of them and you town locked the other two (possibly three?) so there really weren't many players left who it could have been.
Other two points are fluff, especially third. Unless you're looking for potential mindmelds, but meh, not a fan of this at all.
Serious vote?
Just walk me through your thought process here? Most of the posts confuse you (why is that scummy?) but you understand enough to say that their rationalising is weird? You either understand or you don't, it can't be both. Can you show some of their weird rationalising and explain why it's weird?In post 76, DeltaWave wrote: frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks bad
Well, you're seeing the game at the opposite end of the spectrum to me so we probably need to talk. All three of these are bad.In post 100, Eiralox wrote:Bonsoir i be Eiralox and im here for the synth apocalypse.
Frogster and Mohab are lock town, we won't be voting there.
VOTE: Nuclear Ghandi
this is scum. guillotine asap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGAk07qgf8
Happy to take the lock town read on yourself? Do you think you have been that townie?
Serious vote?
We're viewing the game almost identically, I like this. Just Frog being the outlier.In post 113, furtiveglance wrote:Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave
Hi Ausuka, I think you're town and this is a bad vote. Change it please?In post 121, Ausuka wrote:I'd also like Greeting to elaborate on their reads I guess
VOTE: furtiveglance
I like this best for now
This makes no sense at all and further intensifies my scum read on you.In post 123, DeltaWave wrote:
this is the kind of nonsensical thing that makes you read as town tbhIn post 113, furtiveglance wrote:
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.
VOTE: DeltaWave
Why do Eir and Greeting influence your read here? They've barely done anything.In post 130, Frogsterking wrote: Once I saw Eir and Greeting both voted Ghandi I interpreted that as a sign that something was wrong. I reflected on why they may have done that. I realized that Ghandi is attempting to aggressively manipulate as many players as possible and that my initial Townread on them was naive. I believe Ghandi is either a manipulative Townie or a scum slot. In other words, I don't trust Ghandi regardless of their alignment, and I believe their alignment in this case may be scum, because even though it may be NAI for them to be manipulative, the way they're being manipulative in this game doesn't help them to collect AI information about other players.
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a solid 95% of new accounts in the normal queue are alts as opposed to newbiesIn post 155, Greeting wrote:
If this was a Newbie game, I would be more likely to agree. But I find clueless behavior like this in Normal games more suspicious. I guess this is a risk actual newbies take if they don't play a newbie game before jumping to the Normal queue.In post 122, furtiveglance wrote:
TownIn post 82, hoppip wrote:
Hmm...I suppose that's fair. But I'm not so sure that "looks bad" is the same as "looks scummy." For instance, I think it looks bad that you're shading Inutile for superficial reasons. But do you think that's scummy?In post 76, DeltaWave wrote:
frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks badIn post 73, hoppip wrote:
What do you think of the rest of its posts?In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile- Mapuche Never Die
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This seems odd, given that Greeting hasn’t talked much about Gandhi.In post 153, Greeting wrote:
It wasn't when I cast it, but now that I have caught up, I don't really feel inclined to change it. I think pressure on that slot is justified.In post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: Serious vote?- Mapuche Never Die
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In post 159, furtiveglance wrote:
How is this town? Eliminating some rando.....that's a low chance of success. Plus the use of 'just' - it's a minimiser. Mohab doesn't want to be looked at too closely for bandwagoning, and justifies it pre-emptively.In post 92, Mohab500 wrote:Vote: InutileI am just on the wagon, trying to lynch some rando early on good strat
Eira is probably town for this - their reasons may be wrong or right but I don’t think scum goes really hard at Gandhi and doesn’t say why.In post 158, Eiralox wrote:
Nah i'm right. that's it for talk.In post 131, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Well, you're seeing the game at the opposite end of the spectrum to me so we probably need to talk. All three of these are bad.In post 100, Eiralox wrote:Bonsoir i be Eiralox and im here for the synth apocalypse.
Frogster and Mohab are lock town, we won't be voting there.
VOTE: Nuclear Ghandi
this is scum. guillotine asap.
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Ausuka makes a very good point about furtive here - looking back I strongly agree that the delayed omgus post doesn’t come from a natural thought processIn post 163, Ausuka wrote:
Ok, the townreads don't do a lot for me but to be fair it is very early in the game, soIn post 143, furtiveglance wrote:
I missed this intially because I posted right after. I townread you for the progression on inutile, it looked natural. Frogsterking is making a lot of reads early on which I usually find towny. Inutile and Hoppip both just seem to have an innocent kind of energy, I can see their approaches to the game being from a town perspective.In post 120, Ausuka wrote:
I'd like if you could elaborate on your townreads.In post 113, furtiveglance wrote:Here are some reads of mine.
Consensus (or close to consensus) reads I have:
Frogsterking, Ausuka, Inutile, Hoppip Town
Reads that aren't consensus (I think):
Nuclear Ghandhi Town, Mohab sus, DeltaWave sus
I sus DeltaWave for this, and I think their delayed omgus style interaction with hoppip (83) also is mafia.In post 67, DeltaWave wrote:
This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energyIn post 40, inutile wrote: i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias
VOTE: Inutile
VOTE: DeltaWave
Can you elaborate on your thoughts on 83 as well? I really do not see what you're seeing there
83 interested me because DeltaWave says Hoppip is acting sus after their interaction in 82, in which Hoppip said DeltaWave 'shaded Inutile for superficial reasons', which is what it looked like to me as well. Hence I called it a delayed omgus.
I don't think hoppip was really calling Delta suspicious in post 82. He seemed to be saying that Delta's point is bad but he's not necessarily scum for it. In any case, I'm still not really sure what you mean and why you find it suspicious - it's only one post after so not really delayed, and anyway don't you think town could suspect someone who they're in some sort of confrontation with? The idea of 'delayed omgus' just feels off to me honestly.- Mapuche Never Die
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Greeting’s scumhunting seems very selective, he’s actively talking to very few players and ignoring a lot of other stuff happening in-thread.In post 168, Greeting wrote:
Wait, what?In post 167, Ausuka wrote:I think the inutile read is pretty convincing but I'm townreading it anyway.
One thing I'm wondering about is that you implied you townread me pretty heavily earlier but now are saying you don't think I've been scumhunting much - did your read change or something?I amtownreadingintuile. What do you mean by that sentence?
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A refusal to share reads usually isn’t beneficial, but I have almost always only seen town do it.In post 174, furtiveglance wrote:
Another thing - I don't get the refusal to share. This game is about co-operation. If you repeatedly refuse to talk you're transgressing, which may get you a sanction. And 3 sanctions is a full desadulation. And I might vote you for the simple crime of not talking.In post 170, Eiralox wrote:
Im not sharing. And i'm starting to think you and ghandi are together. I don't like toffee's entrance or wrong read on frogster but I can still sort of see town there. But you? Toffee's defense of Ghandi is blatant, yours isn't and that wearies me.In post 161, furtiveglance wrote:
Do you want to share those reasons? Or at least invent some?In post 160, Eiralox wrote:I have my reasons. No one's going to vote Mohab. Ghandi is still blatant scum. looking for the partners.- Mapuche Never Die
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The way Ausuka mediates the argument is very towny.In post 179, Ausuka wrote:
Do you disagree that town often suspect people who suspect them? I feel like you're pushing a scum!Delta possibility without really considering the other side of things. Like, there is indeed a world where Delta decided to scumread hoppip because he misinterpreted their post as a scumread and wanted to push back against it, but I don't see why you think it's likely, which I was hoping to get you to explain because I think it's a stretchy read.In post 171, furtiveglance wrote:Ok, you're right that delayed omgus isn't the right term. It's a knee-jerk reaction nonetheless, it felt to me that DeltaWave didn't want to allow Hoppip to put a bit of sus on them without getting the last word. As to whether or not Hoppip did put sus on DeltaWave, I would argue the answer is yes, whether intentional or otherwise. They said that DeltaWave 'looked bad' to them. So I read into that a bit, I thought DeltaWave looked worse from the whole interaction. I understand your issue with buzzwords like 'omgus', I have the same thing. But in this case I thought it was notable that DeltaWave didn't let it slide, they said they would respond later but made the point of saying that hoppip was being 'somewhat sus'- Mapuche Never Die
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tbh I really like the way furtive defends himself here, by saying that his read was authentic - like I don’t think scum does that in this scenarioIn post 186, furtiveglance wrote:
I didn't do that, it was an authentic read I made. The term I used wasn't accurate, and I get the sense that the term I used is partly why you don't trust my read. As for your point about easy pushes, that's just speculation. At the time of its conception my scumread of DeltaWave was completely original, with BBT agreeing later. Besides, that argument assumes tTown!Delta in its very logic.In post 184, Ausuka wrote:I'm aware, and I'm not as confident about this as I would be if you had made such a read later in the game. But I'm just saying it doesn't seem like your read on Delta came from a genuine thought process; if I'm mafia here and Delta is town I would probably want to vote Delta here, he feels like an easier push than other people who have been present so far. So when I feel like you decided he's scum and then made up the reasons it's concerning to me.- Mapuche Never Die
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I don’t like this post. Instead of asking Juice whether they have any reads, Eiralox asks Juice whether they have no thoughts on anyone else. This has something of a negative undertone which shades Juice.In post 218, Eiralox wrote:No other thoughts on anyone else Juice?- Mapuche Never Die
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I really like this post and I can’t fully explain why but it seems very tonally genuineIn post 219, DeltaWave wrote:
that's a fallacy that even very seasoned mafia players make, so i'll call it a null for you. specifically, I'm referring to the idea that if you think Player A is town and Player B votes for Player A then Player B is likely mafia. makes assumptions that aren't true, and day 1 usually consists of town primarily going at each other while mafia eggs it on or hides. but like I said, even people who have played many many games make this mistake so I will call it a null for you.In post 197, Greeting wrote:I see a lot of talk aboutDeltaWaveand they're definitely in the PoE for me. The ISO is quite shallow, when at this point there's more than enough content to make deeper reads. Not going to lie,intuileis probably my strongest townlean for now, and the fact that this is the playerDeltaWavehas been so focused in this game makes him look worse in my eyes.
I suppose I agree with him thathoppipis sus, andAusukais town, but my gut tells me that something's not right here.
I'd be actually very much interested in hearing more from you.In post 151, DeltaWave wrote:i'm actually interested in hearing from the sideliners since this has mostly been the same few active people talking
i'm standing by my position that inutile is sus and i really don't care that it's making people scumread me. i'm not going to back off what i think is my best read right now because it's unpopular or it might get me eliminated. clearly, an inutile elimination is not going to happen right now based on how people are reading her but i don't operate on consensus like that. i truly do not understand why people see inutile as town. as i said before, if there's evidence that she always plays this way (even as town) then my tune might change but to date, nobody has done so unless I somehow missed it. you can think i'm mafia all you want but i would have picked a safer bet than this if that was the case. if you really think that mafia will wagon popular players instead of killing them at night i dont know what to tell you.
the hubbub around ghandi is interesting and i don't know what to make of it right now. people took very strong opinions about the player right off the bat and i can't understand why that would be the case. it would be interesting to revisit those interactions once we see some flips.
as for other reads.
asuka strikes me as town.
furtiveglance also strikes me as town. although his vote against me is wrong, the rationale seems towny.
bbt, on the other hand, strikes me as someone who wanted to piggyback off furtive's reasoning to join a relatively uncontroversial wagon that coincidentally targets the main person campaigning against inutile.
hoppip is neutral, leaning town. the rationale for sussing me wasn't great but is the kind of rationale i could expect from townspeople.
nuclear g - again, not sure what to make of this player since i just don't have a read on them and i'm confused as to why this is the biggest wagon rn. i'm not saying it's wrong, just don't know if it's right
juice, hut, miralax, and mohab all fall into the same category for me, which are low activity lurkers. there is ALWAYS scum in this group on d1. i wouldn't be surprised if juice is scum who is letting us slug it out. only two posts and still maintaining an RVS vote when we're nine pages in.
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Looking through Eiralox’s past town games, there is a marked tonal difference between this game and both of those. I’ll elaborate soonishIn post 228, Eiralox wrote:In post 225, Frogsterking wrote:I'm going to puke if my solve is correct. I'm most willing to reassess on Gandhi.
im sorry im a bit of a tipsy lazy reader today. what xactly is ur solve? excluding gandhi, let's assume they are tovn for this experiment, vhich 3 slots vould u say are scum?
cos rn RE: Juice: 100% null. No data. I want juice to engage but rn i don't have enough data to even consider voting that way. And gandhi........ why they so silent? weekend awol? cos i mean i'll see scum in gandhi until gandhi convinces me otherwise. which so far: gandhi>eira: French Revo.
So where's ghandi? I want gandhi to approach ur case on them pronto. I said that slot is 100% scum............................. am i being unbending? th only person who can convince me about gandhi rn is gandhi. I'll wait.
@Gandhi: reads on Hutmeil, Toffee and Ausuka. This will help me sort you, perhaps mollify my burning desire to see you consigned to the nuclear fire. Sooooo................. yeah i think that's exactly what I want rn, from one specific slot.- Mapuche Never Die
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Eiralox scumreading DW for not mentioning frogster because Eiralox thinks frogster is obvtown is just bad and disingenuous.In post 230, Eiralox wrote:
the fact that you have hoppip above "lurkers always scum in there"(which i disagree with, on rational principle) worries me.In post 219, DeltaWave wrote: asuka strikes me as town.
furtiveglance also strikes me as town. although his vote against me is wrong, the rationale seems towny.
bbt, on the other hand, strikes me as someone who wanted to piggyback off furtive's reasoning to join a relatively uncontroversial wagon that coincidentally targets the main person campaigning against inutile.
hoppip is neutral, leaning town. the rationale for sussing me wasn't great but is the kind of rationale i could expect from townspeople.
nuclear g - again, not sure what to make of this player since i just don't have a read on them and i'm confused as to why this is the biggest wagon rn. i'm not saying it's wrong, just don't know if it's right
juice, hut, miralax, and mohab all fall into the same category for me, which are low activity lurkers. there is ALWAYS scum in this group on d1. i wouldn't be surprised if juice is scum who is letting us slug it out. only two posts and still maintaining an RVS vote when we're nine pages in.
i wouldn't be terribly surprised if it's inutile/juice/bbt, assuming a standard 10:3 split.
the fact that you don't address Frogster, who is obvious town, worries me.
The fact that you are not happy with the gandhi wagon this early worries me.
The fact that juice isn't at null worries me.
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hutmeil only popping in the thread when his name is mentioned.In post 243, hutmeil wrote:Interesting that he started his RVS on page 8. It could be he's just getting started.
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Frogster’s cockiness is towny here.In post 254, Frogsterking wrote:Gandhi's not coming back lol
Gandhi was scum's savior and they got SHUT DOWN- Mapuche Never Die
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I had a pretty similar reaction - this looks like T/TIn post 265, Ausuka wrote:
Because I think pushing teamsolves on day 1 is a bad idea and is pretty likely to misdirect our attention. Talk of associatives now is just noise. I think this is a pretty obvious answer, what are you hoping to get out of this line of questioning?In post 263, Frogsterking wrote:
Okay and why bring it up?In post 260, Ausuka wrote:You, eiralox, and Delta have all been doing it quite a lot iirc- Mapuche Never Die
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I’m not active lurking, I replaced in 2 days ago and now am catching up?In post 686, Nero Cain wrote:Why not?
It feels like you are active lurking and my vote was partly cast in an attempt to spur you into action. But also thinking back I'm thinking that Juice could maybe have been scum afterall. Like I get that coincidences happen but saying that the RVS just happened to land on someone that was a viable wagon at that point seems a bit iffy to me.
its 2 days and change till deadline and you are still back on p11.
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This read list is odd in that Greeting decides that BBT should be out of the PoE despite BBT only having made two posts of substantive contentIn post 320, Greeting wrote:Sorting.
Greeting
inutile
Ausuka
furtiveglance
BlueBloodedToffee
Frogsterking
DeltaWave
PoE:
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hutmeil
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Mohab500
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“5 days and 0 game solving”In post 388, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: Juice
Highly likely to be scum. 5 days in and 0 game solving.
Will be catching up on this properly later today.
Okay but juice was inactive.
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This is also a bad post. A lack of explanation for a read isn’t scummy.In post 401, hutmeil wrote:Initially I gave Juice the benefit of the doubt (late RVS??). Then the slot voted Delta which I town lean, then town reads Ausuka for no given reason.
VOTE: Juice
As for the other slots, I'm willing to give a pass since it's still D1.
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hutmeil votes Juice, then gives Frogster townpoints for unvoting juiceIn post 404, hutmeil wrote:Nice. I guess townie points for you. I'm still waiting for your survey though.
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This is incredibly disingenuous. Juice hasn’t been lurking, they’ve been inactive. And hutmeil tries to frame it as if we’ll get information from the juice lim, but juice has townread an obvtown and scumread a random person for voting them.In post 408, hutmeil wrote:
Not gonna do a comprehensive one, but here's my readslist:In post 407, Ausuka wrote:What are your reads on other players
[Obviously!]
hutmeil
[The they make sense list (at least for me) and are actively trying to solve things]
Frogsterking
inutile
Eiralox
DeltaWave
Ausuka
[The not so active but presented enough information to get a pass on D1]
furtiveglance
Greeting
Nuclear Gandhi
Mohab500
BlueBloodedToffee
hoppip
[Already explained this. Basically, the slot lurks but is good enough for an elim because he has voted and given his read, so we can get some info next day]
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Alright I think I’m comfortable writing DW and Ausuka off as town.In post 415, DeltaWave wrote:
i'm going to ISO nuclear after work and share some thoughts.In post 413, inutile wrote:
do you think nuclear gandhi has been towny since being wagoned?In post 411, DeltaWave wrote:could someone kindly explain to me what the hubbub is about nuclear, because i still frankly do not understand what went on in the first 10 pages with this wagon
like yea the wagon has largely gone away but in that time nuclear gandhi has made one post about the first four pages which was a whole change of approach from previous posting
so is the extent of your thoughts on nuclear gandhi still dunno why they were wagoned?
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Sure lolIn post 481, Frogsterking wrote:Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).
"Get angry easily" = 1
"Take charge" = 3
"Make people feel welcome" = 2
"Like music" = 4
"Like to tidy up" = 2
"Like to visit new places" = 2
"Feel comfortable around people" = 5
"Interested in many things" = 4
"Love order and regularity" = 3
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 2
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 4
"Cheer people up" = 5
"Lose my temper" = 1
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 2
"Enjoy thinking about things" = 5
"Cheat to get ahead" = 2
"Feel desperate" = 1
"Rarely overindulge" = 1
"Easily resist temptations" = 2
"Have a high opinion of myself" = 3
"Waste my time" = 3
"Need a push to get started" = 2
"Have little to contribute" = 1
"Keep my cool" = 4
"Avoid crowds" = 2
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Really scummy post - hutmeil tells juice that it’s on them for being scummy and basically just keeps pushing the angle of scum juiceIn post 525, hutmeil wrote:
How do you vote?In post 414, inutile wrote:
at least you counted correctlyIn post 401, hutmeil wrote:Initially I gave Juice the benefit of the doubt (late RVS??). Then the slot voted Delta which I town lean, then town reads Ausuka for no given reason.
VOTE: Juice
As for the other slots, I'm willing to give a pass since it's still D1.
This is E-1 (if I counted correctly).
this sort of thing a large part of why i vote the way i do
Not sure if I respond to this since Juice will be replaced. Anyway, sure you are an easy day 1 push but that is all on you. You pop up on page 8 and claim it's RVS and you're not contributing anything to the game state. Last I checked, the game is about looking for scum and I find you the scummiest hence the vote.In post 502, Juice wrote:
not really a read list.
more like - you jsut point out four players that have been more active.
then just everyone else.
then the person you want lynched.
quite an embarrassing list really. Also you've nearly had as many posts as me. so i'd ask how come you have a read list - but have nothing to show for it? youn sounds like mafia - looking for an easy day 1 push on someone who has been a bit AFK
Oh boy, that's a few pages back already. Let me check... Ah yes, I townread Furtive because he had the same question I had in mind for Frog. Basically what I'm saying is he had the same mindset as mine (trying to solve an inconsistency). Frog was voting you but townread you at the same time. See post 240Gandhi wrote:- 132 hutmeil what does this mean? townread whom? the person you vote? For asking "Why are you scumreading Ghandhi? Bit of a non-sequitur I know but I don't want to get into your improv stuff." ?
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I do get that hutmeil townreads you for taking Juice off E-1. I still think that’s scummy on hutmeil’s side.In post 731, Frogsterking wrote:
I don't think anyone wants to read this level 0 analysis bullshit. Hutmeil townread my unvote in 403 because it took juice off e-1. Realizing that is like...not even an original take on its own and you missed that point completely. Why bother catching up post-by-post if the given analysis is LESS detailed than someone can muster by skimming the thread and blurting out obvious things?In post 707, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
hutmeil votes Juice, then gives Frogster townpoints for unvoting juiceIn post 404, hutmeil wrote:Nice. I guess townie points for you. I'm still waiting for your survey though.
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Nero makes some really weird points that I’m not seeing at all, but his self-awareness that he is tunneling is towny.In post 566, Nero Cain wrote:At first, I thought this was pretty scummy it's like
oh this is standard, nothing to see here!but rereading it it's maybe not really scummy but then I felt like she comes off a bit conscious with the lite OMGUS is 38.
I know I'm tunneling a bit but the Frog/Ausuka back and forth on p.3 felt like theatre and his deceleration that Ausuka/inutile are both town made me worry that he knew I was town and Ausuka/inutile both being town was a false dilemma.
I mentioned this in another game and you are correct but ppl nowadays throw out the shade word for anyone that disagrees/criticizes them.In post 87, Nuclear Gandhi wrote:Shading can only be done by wolves?
The last time I played with someone that used this as justification for reading a slot they were scum. Not to mention that it's just poor reasoning.In post 99, Frogsterking wrote:I believe Inutile is Town because of their fight with Asuka. Scum are rarely going to square off like that at the beginning of the game.
silly takeIn post 130, Frogsterking wrote:Once I saw Eir and Greeting both voted Ghandi
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No? Where did you get that from?In post 740, Frogsterking wrote:
So in 733 you're stating that in 707 you intentionally withheld information you were aware of in order to make hutmeil look worse?In post 733, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
I do get that hutmeil townreads you for taking Juice off E-1. I still think that’s scummy on hutmeil’s side.In post 731, Frogsterking wrote:
I don't think anyone wants to read this level 0 analysis bullshit. Hutmeil townread my unvote in 403 because it took juice off e-1. Realizing that is like...not even an original take on its own and you missed that point completely. Why bother catching up post-by-post if the given analysis is LESS detailed than someone can muster by skimming the thread and blurting out obvious things?In post 707, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
hutmeil votes Juice, then gives Frogster townpoints for unvoting juiceIn post 404, hutmeil wrote:Nice. I guess townie points for you. I'm still waiting for your survey though.
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I’ve played with town!Nero before and he also has this kind of garbageIn post 770, Nero Cain wrote:I just don't really get the hutmeil case. Like I could maybe buy intohe's not being as active as normalbut beyond that its ????
Part of me just feels like voting out MND or Gandhi would be fairly constructive b/c I don't trust Gandhi'sleave me until day 3and I think MND's plodding catchup is fake.
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