TFT uPick [Game over!]

[NDMath]

*raises hand*

VOTE: MeekMeerkat
Take vote.

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Also where did Nomsy come from

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Also where did Nomsy come from

That is likely the Trainer ability - it is a monster summoned when you have that set active

Alright makes sense, I'm unfamiliar with this game's flavor.

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Just something to think about. I guess it's possible that Nomsy is not hiding their activity for a different reason and I'm off base.

I think it's quite plausible the user just didn't think to turn it off since that's something someone does at most once per account.

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I'm not a fan of your titus scumlean since #18 looked very classic titus to me.

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Why am I being scumread for raising my hand upon request?

I think I'm very opposed to a Nomsy hang day1 since it seems quite likely that slot will be self-resolving later.

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So.

If 18 player summoned by trainer (which idk), do you think they share alignments?

Either Nomsy doesn't have an alignment or it shares alignment with owner. How would having the opposite make sense?

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Meerkat seems townie
VOTE: tictac

also the anonymous dragon is trying to pocket me

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I might be wrong about nosmy being MB. I think it’s a different player now.

I'm realizing I don't know who MB is.

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I see that mastina has a high verbal working memory so I can't give them the whole benefit of the doubt as I suspect their argument here is easily improvised.

For example: your argument sounds good, mastina, until you take into account that you neglected any mention of mala's scum game in your analysis.

tbf my last game with mastina (murdercat's drafting) they had a confidently correct scumread that also had the flaw of only really looking at one alignment.

who is Guillotina?

is anyone townreading sara?

Don't think so

[NDMath]

HEAL: Mage Crest
I think this is more interesting than Best Friends. TO me it doesn't sound like we actually gain much from best friends

[NDMath]

HEAL: Mage Crest
I think this is more interesting than Best Friends. TO me it doesn't sound like we actually gain much from best friends

Well... Any guess on what we are healing is all conjecture anyways

I suppose so. Just feels like best friends is the predictable outcome.

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VOTE: vivax i have read nothing yet

VOTE: MeekMeerkat

VOTE: Frederick
Ok this entrance sucked

I think the vivax vote was better
VOTE: Vivax
the repeated blathering about updating reads without actually interacting or expanding on them in a meaningful capacity is scummy-bad

how can you say that was a good vote when I said I hadn't read anything in the same post?

I don't really suspect frederick yet, is why

Ok and why do you suspect Vivax then

Read what I said in 126.

Vivax iso is also going downhill. The last two posts 218 and 254 are bad. 218 for being a scummy response (introducing a lot of noise) and 254 for making excuses about content.

You only scumread two people in the game?
I mean, if giving my read on literally everyone and updating them from time to time (albeit with a heavy gut factor) is scummy, I can shitpost instead, but I don't see how that's supposed to be an improvement.

You only scumread three?

[NDMath]

Spoiler: Survey

Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).

"Get angry easily" = 2

"Take charge" = 2

"Make people feel welcome" = 3

"Like music" = 3

"Like to tidy up" = 1

"Like to visit new places" = 2

"Feel comfortable around people" = 4

"Interested in many things" = 2

"Love order and regularity" = 4

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 5

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 2

"Cheer people up" = 2

"Lose my temper" = 1

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 2

"Enjoy thinking about things" = 5

"Cheat to get ahead" = 1

"Feel desperate" = 2

"Rarely overindulge" = ?

"Easily resist temptations" = 5

"Have a high opinion of myself" = 4

"Waste my time" = 3

"Need a push to get started" = 2

"Have little to contribute" = 4

"Keep my cool" = 4

"Avoid crowds" = 4

"Turn my back on others" = 3

[NDMath]

I'm feeling the absence of genuine Town Hunters in this game. I could use more Town reads from the following players I town lean.


Town leans:
Fred, Dunn, Mala, Gamma, Toogle, Meerkat,

Null/scum: rest

I think Titus is town. Why is Toogeloo town?

What's the town read on Titus for?

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Titus becomes townier right after I asked why they were being townread.
A random townread I now have is Enchant, their reaction to the augment outcome looks genuine and I liked their other surrounding posts.

VOTE: Vivax

[NDMath]

since other players may have compelling reasons to want me

i got night protect

I highly doubt this is true. What are you really up to?

only one way to find out

i choose ndmath

Accept Nomsy's Neighborhood

I suspect no one else really wants to hood with either me or nomsy here.

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Sobered up and am no longer sour from having to listen to inane bs all the time (game unrelated)
That‘s an incentive alright

So NDmath didn‘t properly backtrack from the MK scumread which suggests the pairing makes sense with early bus

I never even scumread MK, that was an RVS vote.

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Just starting to townread mastina with a p-value of 95%.

I have a feeling I'm using p-values incorrectly in some way that a statistician may be able to tell me.

Uh yes.
The lowest p-value you could reach on a town read is ~75%, and ~25% for a scumread so you could never disprove your null hypothesis (and also your goal here isn't to test the null hypothesis), meaning it would be clearer to just use raw probabilities than p-values.

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The page 21 gamma wagon seemed questionable to me but my opinion's biased since I scumlean 3 of the 4 voters beforehand.
Additionally, Yume after Mastina's death seems dramatic to the point that it seems for show.

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I don't entirely grasp strategy table but trying to hide it seems like a very odd decision given you're leaving many townies in the dark but if even one scum knows the reference the full team knows.

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I also had another realization that I'll be quiet about for the time being but I'm sure I'm late to have figured this thing out.

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My townreads currently are Gamma, Legends, Meek, Enchant, and Yume, although Yume is because there's multiple people telling me their blatant obvtown rather than any of my own thoughts.
Also to a lesser extent than my other townreads, Fredrick.
Dunn, Beeboy, and Sircakez are roughly null to me.
Which leaves {Vivax Tictac Sara Toog Mala} as south of null; I plan to review these and attempt to explain my thoughts in the next hourish.

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On Sara this is their towniest game imo after a short meta dive and idk what to think about that. Nomsy's argument about the vigshot looks weaker than I initially thought since Sara's iso before and after mastina's death looks pretty similar.

On Toog I agree with Gamma's thoughts:

Toog of town I think should have done something spicey by now, so I think they can be scum

My impression of toogeloo being there is usually more to remark on their play when town whereas here toogeloo has been rather low impact and less engaged than my previous experiences with them, granted it's been awhile since I last played with Toog.

On Tictac they're a scumlean for their weaker posting , #877 is their best post but I'm not convinced of their reasoning supporting their scumread on gamma enough.

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On Mala, that scumlean was primarily from Mastina's push and I'm not feeling as good about the read currently with some other details I'm rereading.

On Vivax, starting in the 400s they have a number of weird posts imo, specifically regarding their scumreads. Such as their talk of me bussing meek was nonsensical, they make multiple weird claims relating to Nomsy slot interactions, and meek/me/enchant is an almost lazy trio of scumreads they've clung to nearly the whole game thus far.

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NDMath,

Talk to me more about your Fredrick TR please.

~Titus

I like their early interaction with mastina since mastina doesn't really have much reason to scumread Fred but he handles it well and asks questions that show him trying to form a read on mastina. Backing down in 802/803 was townie. I like 829 but don't have a good reason for liking that one.

if a player is not alive, they are "eliminated"


some hypothetical examples:

nightkilled - eliminated

daykilled - eliminated

modkilled - eliminated

disappeared into a different game but might return later - not eliminated.

joined a new account by some other mechanism - not eliminated as long as the new account is alive

I think defining eliminated and elimination so differently creates confusion but okay.

[NDMath]

I'm a Guardian, I survive my first death that isn't from elimination and at that point get to choose another player to do the same.

[NDMath]

So if you are shot you survive instead, and can choose someone so they also survive after being shot?

Correct

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VOTE: toogeloo

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I'm a Guardian, I survive my first death that isn't from elimination and at that point get to choose another player to do the same.

Might as well pagetop the claim

[NDMath]

I‘d p-launch everyone who voted for hoods if I could
That‘s another layer of intentions to sift through and you get this social competition situation screwing up several moods
Bunch of peeps feeling left out etc and now that needs mending to get to an agreement

Can't not agree.

And which best friend voters would you two actually be willing to vote were there more time in the phase?

NDMath, Sara, beeboy, you three are the current elim candidates. Maybe make actual use of your votes

I was hoping beeboy would return before I'd have to make a decision there VOTE: beeboy
Prefer it to Sara since I think a glance at Sara's past games mostly disproves the argument against her in this game.

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How many votes is NDMath at
I think that’s the “safest” vote but idr how many people are there rn

What does safest mean in this context?

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[7]

Best Friends

Frogsterking, MeekMeerkat, Yume, Fredrick A Campbell, Malakittens, tictac, SirCakez
[5]

Mage Crest

Enchant, Gamma Emerald, NDMath, Nomsy, Sara
[3]

Ancient Archives

Titus, mastina, Vivax

Super interesting sorting. This is quite the VC to have a peek at personalities perhaps, or even alignments (mage crest contains a lot of sussys)

Why'd you pull this VC instead of the final one?

[NDMath]

Not it for the no deaths

Gamma I'll gift you the honors of deciding, do we wagon toog or dunn

Or vivax

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VOTE: Dunnstral

I generally agree with starting offwagon but that hammer was terrible

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Not it for the no deaths

Gamma I'll gift you the honors of deciding, do we wagon toog or dunn

Or vivax

Do a hardclaim thenß

I literally did

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VOTE: Vivax

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NDMath didn't vote for beeboy or express suspicion there until it was a foregone conclusion that one of the two of them were going to eliminated. On top of that we now have to believe that both Nomsy is town, town has another unclaimed protective role, and NDMath is town, for three protective roles.

There's no reason to believe that the wagons were not both on mafia yesterday

Correct. Beeboy's slot would likely be worse to a scumteam than NDMath because NDMath is active. I have extensive problems with both of those two being supposed bodyguards, not being suspicious of each other and no deaths last night.

I want it on record who both bodyguards allegedly protected.

~Titus

a) I'm not a bodyguard
b) my ability did not trigger

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Oh.. wow

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I accepted it