LOST: Dead Thread

[MathBlade]

Sorry to my scum team for shitty game.

I am usually better. Good luck scum.

No spoilers obviously.

Sorry for the delay was unaware this opened.

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Thanks Malcolm. I hope my plan for (redacted by self to avoid spoilers) works out. So far it seems to be.

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It's okay. It's not like we did a stellar job convincing people we were town anyway. I do wish we had killed Malcolm before you. That was a major mistake on my part thinking you had the higher likelihood of flipping scum.
~Cytosine

Thanks for being great sports C&G in the PT

[MathBlade]

Sounds like cg might flip town

But I hope not!

One of these days I want to be town and you town in a game <3

[MathBlade]

Sorry to my scum team for shitty game.

I am usually better. Good luck scum.

No spoilers obviously.

Sorry for the delay was unaware this opened.

Happy scumday!

Thank you.

Gobbles scum cake.

[MathBlade]

Good luck trying to solve the game.

I promise to be as scummy as possible, not spoil you, and try to make it fun.

Ignore the big case of hyperbole wine I just ordered.

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Why would you expect someone to make sense?

That just reinforced group think vs town/scum.

I get scumread so much as town because I disagree not because I am scummy.

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I just mean it seems like an easy pairing to point to, in order to get Drap limmed, which is when it happened.

OTH can back off that after drap flips town (Oops!).

Drap + Johnny doesn't make sense from a pairing perspective when OTH suggested it. Yeah town can make bad calls. I find it more likely motive for scum to push that idea when OTH did though.

But I mean, you pushing me on this idea Math makes me assume I'm just wrong lol ;P Which could certainly be the case.

*pours wine*

You’re welcome and enjoy!

If I get you to think more and enjoy the game after death I am doing my job

[MathBlade]

It absolutely does. I agree with Bell.

Being antitown gives room for scum to capitalize.

There are times when it is appropriate to do so but if you look at some games I have had the protown people had my scumteam dead to rights but then propping up bad town drowns out the good.

Town lost a few days of scum hunting due to your gambit.

[MathBlade]

I strictly follow my win condition.

We are not saying you’re not following your wincon.

We are saying that there’s generally better plays to do.

Fake claiming guilties is on the newbie don’t list.

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Especially with a player like me who is good at framing a narrative. Just don’t.

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If I didn’t do the gambit I would have been a night kill I am forcing Butterflies and Taly to have to kill someone outside of the known confirm so probably BestBird.

You’re better off being a nightkill there.

Why would scum have to kill outside “the town firm” which doesn’t even exist?

You’re assuming you’re right (which I won’t acknowledge) then assuming scum have to do something based on you being right, which doesn’t follow.

[MathBlade]

Or just the sheer arrogance.

Even if you didn’t have a fake track “but I am right” doesn’t convince anyone

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633

Take a look here:

This is an example where the entire scum team was caught D1.

The only thing I could really do is poison the well that the day was going on too long.

Town died because the people who were right were drowned out by petty infighting. I just never bothered to try to fix it.

People want to be heroes way too much.

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The only reason I was miselimmed is we thought Titus was our traitor with how bad our reads were.

It almost became a dead sweep.

I am very good at scum because it requires actively listening and then giving people what they want.

But if you’re in a bad spot you manipulate the gamestate and people’s minds.

As outed scum this game left me continue to plan and speak and move chess pieces on the board.

Some assumptions people made are accurate and some I have poisoned the well.

When you see the mafia PT post game there is a key assumption (I won’t say what) that I am not correcting.

[MathBlade]

453,463 for post game reference to this.

Certain alive players are assuming because (x is true) therefore (y is true)

But x doesn’t always necessitate y.

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I mean if not for my gambit I may have not realized that butterflies and Taly were wolves.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12582299

Why you never fake guilties and slow play real ones.

[MathBlade]

The way Butterflies is treated Nora is funny.
They talked to Nora in a term that Is actually directed to everyone except Nora.
They said “Taly Gladiate” to Nora implying they aren’t directing it to Nora but they clearly are.

That’s pretty weak sauce.

Someone doesn’t talk the way I do is a crap scum case.

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Pi can you give me a hug.

Idk why, but I want a hug right now.

;-;

Deploying hugs and headpats. <3

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If things happened my way, you would have been the execution and not Mala.

Interesting.

And what if your way was worse for town?

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Town isn’t a “my way” thing. It’s an our way when done well.

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Certain alive players are assuming because (x is true) therefore (y is true)

But x doesn’t always necessitate y.

This is a good point.
I hope that they realise this.

Interesting good luck solving for x and y

[MathBlade]

sup mathblade

hows life been

Busy. Lots of OT.

[MathBlade]

The way Butterflies is treated Nora is funny.
They talked to Nora in a term that Is actually directed to everyone except Nora.
They said “Taly Gladiate” to Nora implying they aren’t directing it to Nora but they clearly are.

That’s pretty weak sauce.

Someone doesn’t talk the way I do is a crap scum case.

LOL
But that’s not what I’m saying?
Issue is people need to understand I am not the best at communicating.

See Butterflies is taking as if to try and talk to others reading rather then Nora themselves.

Which they should be doing if they are town? (This is not a confirmation of any alignment)

[MathBlade]

Spicy indeed

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3 days and no consensus

*sends divisive vibes*

Stay divided.

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I am curious.

Those who are town can you all do a ranked choice voting system?

0=no vote
1 = least scummy
7 = scummiest

Most points is first pick for scum
Second place is second pick etc

You don’t have to vote everyone.

Could do say Person A =3
Person B = 4
And that’s it if really unsure.

[MathBlade]

0 - Roden
1 - butterflies
2 - johnny
3 - noraa
4 - mlb
5 - bb
6 - oth

noraa and mlb kinda interchangable, others pretty accurate

Would
1 - butter
2 - Johnny
3.5 - Noraa
3.5 - mlb
5 - bb
6 - oth

Be more accurate?

[MathBlade]

Cool I shall calculate later We will see for posterity how “dead” town does.

Lists may be changed until hammer.

[MathBlade]

This could be some great distancing from a Johnny/BB team

Looks like people are changing votes.
Will tally at day end whenever that is for posterity

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1 day 8 hours left for any list swaps

Man this lack of consolidation is a thing.

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God I wish I could post in the scum thread.

I will say no more.

You can always PM me <3

I turn my emotions into getting people to talk more about their thoughts

Then everyone is in emotion world and still playing

I thought you were disengaged or I woulda given you a bro hug dude

[MathBlade]

You all were. Well done.

With Noraa flipped now I can say this

Since I was struggling with covid and knew I was dying I did everything I could to townfirm my buddies.

I just couldn’t keep up my standard of play with dizziness and headaches and other such issues.

[MathBlade]

OTH next and probably GG

Wild we almost had scum day 1. Reading back over it, it was just so emotionally charged. I think without the emotions, we probably flip Taly there. It's interesting to see how the known scum interacted with both wagons during the gladiate though. I think if Taly got flipped there Malcolm passes as town for the rest of the game. Klick had a similar entry onto the Taly wagon which gave me conf town vibes for MLB slot until Malcolm came in and made the same entrance.

Exactly Created a dilemma.

Either Malcolm or Taly was town incorrectly.

Now the question comes who is the last scum? Two shots left

[MathBlade]

um theres no incentive to create a false association to lead to a mislim later when you can just hammer and get that mislim now.

Not always. I have delayed a hammer before to “look” Townie then decide to hammer an hour or two later and racked in town points

Sometimes fast elims are bad.

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So seems like dead thread thinks it’s OTH.

Are you right I wonder? *smirks*

Are you wrong I wonder? *smirks*

Am I about to eat hamburger? Chicken?

*smirks*

Just trying to joke around to see if it spawns fun for you all. If this is not I will stop.

[MathBlade]

Lol I was having chicken sorry y’all but I love a good burger.

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p sure I tunneled more town than BB

<3 Sometimes bad games happen to all of us.

Looks like it’s down to elo.

[MathBlade]

Or is it?

Keep in my we had a lot of good scum (not saying Noraa and X aren’t good) but we had a good 24-48 hours where it was town spamming and goofing off.

And Pooky you are good at catching baddies

[MathBlade]

Deploying hugs.

Good luck with the guessing

[MathBlade]

*raids his kitchen*

I think things will be *spicy*

[MathBlade]

Sorry for the hard buddy Nancy <3

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Looking forward to Drapion seeing it’s not Butterflies after I said without saying it’s not butterflies <3

[MathBlade]

The only reason I was miselimmed is we thought Titus was our traitor with how bad our reads were.

It almost became a dead sweep.

I am very good at scum because it requires actively listening and then giving people what they want.

But if you’re in a bad spot you manipulate the gamestate and people’s minds.

As outed scum this game left me continue to plan and speak and move chess pieces on the board.

Some assumptions people made are accurate and some I have poisoned the well.

When you see the mafia PT post game there is a key assumption (I won’t say what) that I am not correcting.

Wow, seriously? Why would you even think you had a traitor in this game?

I can’t answer that without spoiling some things sorry.

[MathBlade]

However this referred to a prior game Nancy

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Math the way you talk feels like there's still something sneaky we don't know about yet. Can't wait to find out XD

Maybe?

Or maybe I am just being scummy in dead chat?

You’re welcome to hunt me and try to figure it out.

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Sorry for the hard buddy Nancy <3

When did you buddy me? DNA claimed you tried to drive a miselim on me in your hood.

Both

I just wanna hug you and Titus and faer so hard.

Like <3

I wonder how this ends

The fact we are at elo after the start is impressive

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Nancy you can trash Drap all you want, but you hard defended the Taly slot so aggressively that I felt uncomfortable even considering mentioning it after day 1.

TBF I also hard defended that slot till I 180’ed on them during the last day I was alive.

To be super fair I designed it to look like that.

I didn’t have the mental power to save myself but did have the mental power to “obvTown” Taly

So I did that.

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453,463 for post game reference to this.

Certain alive players are assuming because (x is true) therefore (y is true)

But x doesn’t always necessitate y.

This assumption was “because I was scum” therefore Taly town.

Lots of living players made that assumption.

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I mean this all assumes OTH scum.

What if y’all are wrong?

I mean you’re just assuming you’re right.

Drapion just did that with butterflies

[MathBlade]

Interesting point Bell

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Damn mafia prob would have lost then? I guess that's the thing with massive games, harder to keep track of things for players and mods

I think me around for another day or two would have changed a lot.

Hard to tell what ifs.

It’s a weird situation all around.

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I mean this all assumes OTH scum.

What if y’all are wrong?

I mean you’re just assuming you’re right.

Drapion just did that with butterflies

Yeah but no one agreed with him.

I’m starting to think it is them now, very sadly because of all of the suspicious bs posted about our hood by both heads.

First Gamma falsely accuses MB of “pocketing” me when MB had very recently gone off on me for omgussing Johnny and now this nonexistent “slip”?

I’d probably be voting OtH now if I was still alive. I’m deeply disappointed in Gamma’s play for exploiting our friendship to win a scumgame but I think it’s pretty obvious now it’s them. Manufacturing bs reasons for why MB hypothetically killed us - when I have at no time indicated any suspicion on himin the thread, in fact pretty much the converse, is not something town tends to do.

And BB has been extremely transparent about what has taken place in his dead chats, so sorry BB, I just really really wanted to believe that my friendship with Gamma meant something and he wouldn’t as scum, tell me to quit playing mafia but it is what it is.

I mean think what you want.

If Oth isn’t scum I am playing to win con reinforcing them as scum.

If Oth is scum then doing my job defending Oth.

So enjoy the wine.

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Sure I can Y’all are having fun.

I am having fun.

Who says I can’t be scum after I die?

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Ooh spicy!

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I keep confusing MB for myself when I read your posts lmao XD

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Interesting. Good luck with your hypothesis.

We can see which team wins. *smirk*