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[Nancy Drew 39]

ego

[Nancy Drew 39]

My current guess is BB because they were hardpushing for Johnny before Noraa. I posted that in my hood with MB.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is going to be a scum win with bb butterflies oth misliming bb

Gg

Then it says

Butterflies was the last mafia


Then I quote my post from the last day I was alive

What do you have to say to me now Drap? Like I lead Noraa lim as scum or ever kill Pooky -who lockcleared me, okay.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think us dying probably points to BB scum because OtH and MB hard scumread the other, so I have just got to hope that MB relays my reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No one tunneled town better than BB this game

Lol so true.
And he saved Malcolm so much I said that “I think Luke has more of an opinion on Malcolm and that I don’t believe Luke town reads Malcolm” just like that.
Then BB told me to fuck off

He ain’t a wolf.

Yeah, scum NEVER EVER does that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was the one wolves were most scared of.

i cant speak for the rest of the scum team, but i wouldn't really agree with this one.

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

noraa probly killed me cuz noraa thinks im actually good at catching bad guyz lol

Noraa wished she could kill you in Pooky v FL.

[Nancy Drew 39]

noraa probly killed me cuz noraa thinks im actually good at catching bad guyz lol

Noraa wished ZE could kill you in Pooky v FL.

Sorry Noraa.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yo if only I could have saved Rad and Johnny.

You’re not thinking Drap, BB wanted Johnny first, remember? It was me who doubled down on Noraa or the game would have already be over. How you still think there’s a world where I still make sense as scum after that because anyone actually reading the game and employing common sense should realize I never kill Pooky here.

I don’t think it’s MB and I don’t see why OtH kills me here, considering how no one really cleared me for Pooky nk.

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13508746

theres no reason for scum noraa not to hammer town oth at this game state

I will be absolutely crushed if it is actually OtH after what Gamma said to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Never fake a guilty.

Never fake a guilty.

Yeah.
I feel like it ended up costing Town two mislims instead of just one.

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Let’s say the following happens:
Johnny gets ML’ed because they like to do a Rad repeat.
BestBird gets night killed.

Now it’s LYLO with ML Bait, Butterflies, Pooky, Hook and Nora
See Butterflies is playing a risky wolf game cause they are pocketing hook and townreading their partner while also showing some town read in Pooky so they can’t just go “oh it’s ML Bait” they actually have to drop one of their reads.

I want to frame this post. Lmfaoooo

[Nancy Drew 39]

CSF - No Result
Bella - Wolf
BestBird - No Visit
MisLim - No Visit
Butterflies - No Visit
Blue - Visited Me
Butters (Mason Claim) - No Visit
BestBird - No Visit
Pooky - No Visit

This doesn’t look great for OtH, I admit. But for Gamma to say all of that really hurtful stuff to me as scum, I just don’t think so.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also think about it.
Why did Malcolm do the kill?
Answer: Because Butterflies was afraid I’d track her again.

lololololololololll

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ok so that’s interesting.
I think butterflies killed Pooky because they knew the gambit I did they had to confirm someone so they did it before killing Roden.
Good move on butterflies part.
Now no one can sus why they are still alive and why they weren’t killed when they made sure to kill Pooky.

Drap’s absolutely killing me with these insightful takes. XD

[Nancy Drew 39]

it makes absolutely no sense for nancy to kill me lol what

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy you can trash Drap all you want, but you hard defended the Taly slot so aggressively that I felt uncomfortable even considering mentioning it after day 1.

They totally misted me. It wasn’t until Noraa obscummed until the lights finally came on. Those three posts ze made jumping on me after BB took me off the table, didn’t make any sense coming from town!Noraa.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sorry for the hard buddy Nancy <3

When did you buddy me? DNA claimed you tried to drive a miselim on me in your hood.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The only reason I was miselimmed is we thought Titus was our traitor with how bad our reads were.

It almost became a dead sweep.

I am very good at scum because it requires actively listening and then giving people what they want.

But if you’re in a bad spot you manipulate the gamestate and people’s minds.

As outed scum this game left me continue to plan and speak and move chess pieces on the board.

Some assumptions people made are accurate and some I have poisoned the well.

When you see the mafia PT post game there is a key assumption (I won’t say what) that I am not correcting.

Wow, seriously? Why would you even think you had a traitor in this game?

[Nancy Drew 39]

LOL
Butterflies going “oh I’ll probably die”
“Mafia wants me dead”

LOL.

Uumh . . . .

[Nancy Drew 39]

mm i dont think i agree. maybe with this town, sort of. but its not solely nancy's influence. who's to say that nancy hard town reading me would save me? like you dont KNOW that.

like its basically impossible to vote out town nancy. its way easier to just townread her

+1

troof <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

mm i dont think i agree. maybe with this town, sort of. but its not solely nancy's influence. who's to say that nancy hard town reading me would save me? like you dont KNOW that.

like its basically impossible to vote out town nancy. its way easier to just townread her

In my honest opinion, I think that trying to mislim Nancy isn't easy.

Sure it is!
As wolf I like to ML the strongest town.

Good luck with that then. My miselim rate on this site is 5 and one of them includes that includes a game where two scummy slots replaced in after me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

CSF - No Result
Bella - Wolf
BestBird - No Visit
MisLim - No Visit
Butterflies - No Visit
Blue - Visited Me
Butters (Mason Claim) - No Visit
BestBird - No Visit
Pooky - No Visit

This doesn’t look great for OtH, I admit. But for Gamma to say all of that really hurtful stuff to me as scum, I just don’t think so.

i think gamma pocketed you and is p obvscum but i could be wrong #.#

I’m just having real trouble believing that scum!Gamma tells me to quit mafia. That sounds a lot more like the kind of thing FL would do to me. \_0_/

I agree that I don’t think it’s MB. BB really hardpushed for Johhny before Noraa and I could really see them scum distancing.

However Gamma’s hammer doesn’t look great but I don’t see why OtH kills me here, when MB is hard sr them. No one but OtH would have MB as their first choice to elim, so if BB’s the last scum, killing us and having OtH and MB want to kill each other is optimal.

[Nancy Drew 39]

HAHA MAX WIFOM GOOOO

^ the reason you're dead right now

Nah, I led the lim on Noraa, I became bleeding obvtown after that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just kick back and wait for the "Nancy townlocked me, why would I kill her?" argument

So I’m going to guess you think it’s OtH then?

If it weren’t for Gamma telling me to quit playing mafia, I’d probably be more suspicious. I would be extremely disappointed that Gamma would hurt me like that to win a scumgame (intentionally or otherwise), because he would have to know I’d be absolutely livid with him postgame.

Gamma 100% knows this and I just have real trouble seeing him being totally fine with that. And he doesn’t seem to really be much affected by it all really and I don’t see how he wouldn’t as scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Noraa didn’t hammer Johnny either.

I disagree, I don’t view it the way you do if Gamma’s scum. If he’s scum it reads very similar to what FL did to me in tm game and I will absolutely not be okay with it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Johnny's poison until the end. You bring johnny into ELO if you can.

Why do you think BB wanted Johnny first? Game would be over with Johnny miselim before Noraa. So I don’t find that argument terribly compelling.

I’m not saying it can’t be OtH but I will not be either okay or congratulate OtH if it turns out to be the case. I don’t reward dirty and unethical play as scum ever and that takes the cake for that imo.


FL tried to shame and humilate me for essentially being bad miselim bait, now he absolutely did it intentionally but for hypothetical scum!Gamma who’s supposed to be my friend and tell me to quit mafia (even IF hurting me wasn’t intentional) would just totally sicken me. I just don’t want to believe Gamma does this to me to win a scumgame.

[Nancy Drew 39]

when did noraa have a chance to hammer johnnyf

Johnny was at e-1 with BB, Gamma and me voting him, then I jumped off.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why do you think BB wanted Johnny first? Game would be over with Johnny miselim before Noraa. So I don’t find that argument terribly compelling.

I think BB legit believed Johnny was scum cause BB is town.

Maybe? But game would have been over without Noraa flip. You could be right and if so, I’m probably going to throw up or something. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wouldn't have killed bflies here

Who do you think it is Johnny? I think it’s BB because he was very insane in limming you first. I think Noraa only got yeeted because I refused to budge.

I made it a point of posting that in the hood after I saw you flip. I’ve been doing that the past few nights in case we died.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t see who OtH would ever kill me here and leave MB alive tbh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lots of people have thought that about gamma scum. Re: “he wouldn’t do this/say that if he were scum it’s too charged”

Yeah but we’re friends and he essentially told me to quit playing mafia. I don’t think he exploits my friendship like that.

I also think it would be extremely stupid to kill me here and I also don’t think I die here if OtH is scum. I think my dying looks the worst for BB.

I also think that Noraa was maybe possibly distancing him. We’ll see but BB also didn’t hammer OtH and OtH os also arguably good miselim bait.

RAD’s argument is that OtH killed me for wifom but judging how absolutely no one immediately realized the obvious, that I never kill Pooky here, why should they expext that to work with my death?

[Nancy Drew 39]

tho, Nancy kill bad kill. If oth scum. Agree.

Exactly my point, which is why I don’t think it’s them. I think it’s BB and that’s why we died, because BB probably correctly guessed I would be most likely suspicious of him, because I don’t really think it’s MB based on his interactions with scum and how he called Malcolm posting wrt Johnny, tmi.

[Nancy Drew 39]

gamma probly shot you cuz he felt guilty about pocketing you

But as Bell pointed out, killing me is seriously dumb. Like you didn’t kill Cakez in PB, why would they shoot me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't feel guilt about pocketing people because I am a sociopath

Pocketing is fine, it’s telling me to go and “find a new pastime” that is egregious and gross if he’s scum here,

[Nancy Drew 39]

CSF - No Result
Bella - Wolf
BestBird - No Visit
MisLim - No Visit
Butterflies - No Visit
Blue - Visited Me
Butters (Mason Claim) - No Visit
BestBird - No Visit
Pooky - No Visit

This doesn’t look great for OtH, I admit. But for Gamma to say all of that really hurtful stuff to me as scum, I just don’t think so.

And for BB to tell me to fuck off?

I think if we say those are both town tells them looks like I was fucking played by ML Bait.

I’ve been treated horribly by scum before though. FL threatened to bl me for not being good docile miselim bait. Gulliotina accused me of trying to manipulate his buddy with saying something about my mental health and just proceeded to massively shame me for that and most recently Frogodoggo majorly messed with my hydra partner Andante’s head by unfairly accusing her of things like being “abusive”, “flaming” and “gaslighting”, so unless it’s in their meta to be nice as scum like may be the case for someone like Firebringer for example. I don’t put a lot of stock in that but I just have real trouble believing Gamma exploits our friendship to win a scumgame. I don’t know, anything’s possible. If it actually is MB, I’ll be seriously impressed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Interesting, marci’s pushing MB but idk, wouldn’t MB!scum be most likely to kill BB not us? And I can confirm that MB has absolutely no reason to kill me based off of anything that took place in our pt.

I would just really like to understand why scum!OtH kills us here, because that is so super dumb.

[Nancy Drew 39]

MB hard sr me for mentioning Klick’s Bella tr but forgetting to mention the question mark but confronted me ablit it in our hood. That was awhile ago but I don’t know why scum!MB confronts like that in our hood.

At any rate marci, you’re dead wrong if yoi seriously think some sort of “slip” happened in there.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's just a mistake.

Killing you for wifom is fine if scum!oth (though not optimal, scum!oth should have just killed mlb) but they gotta attack bb here. Attacking mlb is mind boggling. Maybe gamma comes in and attacks bb.

Or maybe I’m just right and it’s not them? Why can’t BB be scum here? Why was he so insistent on Johnny being limmed before Noraa?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I posted in our hood that I thought it was BB, so if MB read that. he really had no reason to kill me. I honestly don’t know what I’d be thinking in mylo with him and OtH but I just think OtH killing me here is just way beyond dumb.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m amazed that MN actually gave my reads. I guess I just expected him to ignore it. I definitely don’t think it’s MB.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's just a mistake.

Killing you for wifom is fine if scum!oth (though not optimal, scum!oth should have just killed mlb) but they gotta attack bb here. Attacking mlb is mind boggling. Maybe gamma comes in and attacks bb.

they p much have to attack mislim bait

mislim bait has been saying that oth is scum for the last 5 days lol

They’ve been ignoring everything I’ve been saying about MB, so for them to continue to insinuate that I somehow expressed suspicion on him in there is seriously whack.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Please stand by.

It has come to my attention that I have made a mistake in counting votes on D1. At one point during the gladiate session, Taly had 14 votes on them and should have been limmed before cephrir was limmed.

I have spoken to a list mod not playing the game and the recommendation is that the game continue.

I am truly sorry for the error and for its trajectory in the game. I am happy to discuss ramifications post game with anyone who feels slighted or affected but for now out of respect for everyone who put time in this game I would love to keep it going until its conclusion.

Play resumes.

Whoa

[Nancy Drew 39]

It just occurred to me that I dunno who shot frogster.

Dunn did, he softed vig. That explains both dying, because scum probably shot Dunn.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean this all assumes OTH scum.

What if y’all are wrong?

I mean you’re just assuming you’re right.

Drapion just did that with butterflies

Yeah but no one agreed with him.

I’m starting to think it is them now, very sadly because of all of the suspicious bs posted about our hood by both heads.

First Gamma falsely accuses MB of “pocketing” me when MB had very recently gone off on me for omgussing Johnny and now this nonexistent “slip”?

I’d probably be voting OtH now if I was still alive. I’m deeply disappointed in Gamma’s play for exploiting our friendship to win a scumgame but I think it’s pretty obvious now it’s them. Manufacturing bs reasons for why MB hypothetically killed us - when I have at no time indicated any suspicion on himin the thread, in fact pretty much the converse, is not something town tends to do.

And BB has been extremely transparent about what has taken place in his dead chats, so sorry BB, I just really really wanted to believe that my friendship with Gamma meant something and he wouldn’t as scum, tell me to quit playing mafia but it is what it is.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Damn mafia prob would have lost then? I guess that's the thing with massive games, harder to keep track of things for players and mods

Game would have probably been radically different. I still think we win. MB posting my reads proves how nutso marci’s take on our hood really was because it makes 0 sense for scum!MB to post that.

And I think that’s the real reason we died. OtH knew that could never get asay with that crap if I was still alive. so they needed me dead to post nonsence about MB. OtH obviously didn’t know I would post what I did in there, so hopefully both BB and OtH bust them for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Damn mafia prob would have lost then? I guess that's the thing with massive games, harder to keep track of things for players and mods

Game would have probably been radically different. I still think we win. MB posting my reads proves how nutso marci’s take on our hood really was because it makes 0 sense for scum!MB to post that.

And I think that’s the real reason we died. OtH knew that could never get asay with that crap if I was still alive. so they needed me dead to post nonsence about MB. OtH obviously didn’t know I would post what I did in there, so hopefully both BB and MB bust them for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean this all assumes OTH scum.

What if y’all are wrong?

I mean you’re just assuming you’re right.

Drapion just did that with butterflies

Yeah but no one agreed with him.

I’m starting to think it is them now, very sadly because of all of the suspicious bs posted about our hood by both heads.

First Gamma falsely accuses MB of “pocketing” me when MB had very recently gone off on me for omgussing Johnny and now this nonexistent “slip”?

I’d probably be voting OtH now if I was still alive. I’m deeply disappointed in Gamma’s play for exploiting our friendship to win a scumgame but I think it’s pretty obvious now it’s them. Manufacturing bs reasons for why MB hypothetically killed us - when I have at no time indicated any suspicion on himin the thread, in fact pretty much the converse, is not something town tends to do.

And BB has been extremely transparent about what has taken place in his dead chats, so sorry BB, I just really really wanted to believe that my friendship with Gamma meant something and he wouldn’t as scum, tell me to quit playing mafia but it is what it is.

I mean think what you want.

If Oth isn’t scum I am playing to win con reinforcing them as scum.

If Oth is scum then doing my job defending Oth.

So enjoy the wine.

You can’t be playing to wincon in dead thread. Wut?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sure I can Y’all are having fun.

I am having fun.

Who says I can’t be scum after I die?

Jake was particularly evil in SS’ game, trying to convince us that town faked an inno on his buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I remember someone making a point about dissonance but unlike me and Titus, Gamma and Marci’s seemed way over the top. However mine and Titus was actually that in PA but both Gamma and marci would periodically cime into the thread accusing the other of bullying and they have continued this allgame including now.

It’s actually possible for a scum hydra to be genuinely dissonant. I and Noraa were in Pooky v F but even then, we were in no way making it in anyway that obvious.

BB’s making some very good points that he did initially push me to sr Noraa but the fact is, it’s thanks to me for staying on Noraa that game didn’t end. If town loses this. it would make me think we lost due to STD vcing error but I’m hoping MB sees through this. Gamma pushing BB is to be expected because MB totally blew marci’s take out of the water once he posted my solve.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m sorry I thought it was you butterflies.
You looked like you had TMI

It’s okay Drap, I’m over it. One thing helped me a lot when I got really tunnelled on a player - I learned to listen when others disagreed with me and that works both ways. If the majority of players strongly disagree with your read, most times it’s good to listen to other opinions, because often they may be seeing something you don’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: best bird

~GE

UNVOTE:

gamma i dont see how its birdy, i think its miselim :<

is this marci's first ever elo?

Is this comedy gold here or what?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oth made the right choice actually, based on how this is playing out. (Assuming it's them anyways)

If they killed mislim instead and made it butterflies/bird/oth I think butterflies and pengy vote them out every time. Mislim seems more caref than that and might talk themselves into something else.

The worst kill would have been BB I think because there was just so many things pointing against it being MB. I think OtH is probably toast though and ftpov, it looked like I was never voting them. But Marci made a major perspective slip when she unvoted BB because her “case” was based upon some non-existent “slip” occurring in our hood, which MB totally blew out of the water when he posted my reads and she never even once addressed that, so yeah, her unvote and subsequent MB push confuscummed them. Also Gamma Johnny hammer was super ick and Gamma’s post about wanting the game to end reads like exhausted scum pleading to be freed from captivity.

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