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I wouldn't be confident with a drapion scum claim there. They didn't need to claim a guilty.
That's a good point.
Though, if he isn't scum, there is a scum Framer.
Which is going to make it hard because the most likely to be a Framer are Yeet and Johnny, provided the Framer didn't visit when Drapion wasn't tracking them.
That would count as being minor Bastard, though.
On the other hand, I've never actually seen a Framer used in a Closed before.
(And I'm not sure which character makes sense as Framer.)
Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)
By this definition, framer wouldn't be bastard since tailor and godfather aren't bastard. Also by this definition, I don't think talking to the dead counts either.
The mini theme's version of bastard definition includes post restrictions, so that might be the "minor bastard elements" in the game.
In post 52, Bell wrote:Q. RH9 what was the goal with your play this game? I was under the impression you were more vocal and engaged as town.
What changed? Ah, looks like you went on hiatus.
I would say that this was probably my worst townplay.
I would admit that I ended up not realising how busy I was in terms of trying to play a fast-paced Large Theme.
Though, I mainly decided to go on hiatus after this game so that I could take a break from playing until I get less busy.
As for engagement, I would say that in combination with RL and the pace of the game, I probably ended up posting than I usually would.
In post 52, Bell wrote:Q. RH9 what was the goal with your play this game? I was under the impression you were more vocal and engaged as town.
What changed? Ah, looks like you went on hiatus.
I would say that this was probably my worst townplay.
I would admit that I ended up not realising how busy I was in terms of trying to play a fast-paced Large Theme.
Though, I mainly decided to go on hiatus after this game so that I could take a break from playing until I get less busy.
As for engagement, I would say that in combination with RL and the pace of the game, I probably ended up posting less than I usually would.
In post 60, Rad wrote:OTH vote on drap is sus. Really, drap + johnny here? So scum!drap trades for c&g and expects his partner johnny to survive and win the game? I can't imagine that being the case. scum!Drap has to have a really solid partner here set up for victory and that's not johnny.
Agreed somewhat.
Though, you shouldn't underestimate Johnny. He could definitely survive to ELo and potentially win.
In post 64, Rad wrote:Yeah not saying scum!Johnny isn't possible or capable of winning here, but isn't Johnny a policy flip if scum!drap? Or does everyone assume strongly enough that drap is just white knighting town!johnny there? I'd want to flip him just in case in scum!drap scenario so I was thinking that would be the most likely follow up, making this move terrible from a scum drap Johnny team
TBH I could definitely see a Drapion/OTH scumteam.
Especially, since OTH feels like an unlikely elimination.
On the other hand, if Drapion turns out to be Town, then I'm going to sheep butterchurn.
In post 39, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:It's okay. It's not like we did a stellar job convincing people we were town anyway. I do wish we had killed Malcolm before you. That was a major mistake on my part thinking you had the higher likelihood of flipping scum.
~Cytosine
In post 82, butterchurn wrote:The comments from the mafia in this thread could imply a lot of different things, but I'm taking them to imply that someone has successfully gone under the radar. In which case, Off the Hook/Johnny is probably not correct, but I would be surprised if they're both town. Drapion taking away one of our miseliminations for no benefit rather than allowing himself to be resolved by night kills is incredibly annoying, and made the game quite a bit harder to win.
In post 94, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Guess it could still be Johnny/Pooky buts that would mean Pooky is an absolute crazy wolf that wants to save Malcolm more then saving Johnny.
That could be possible.
Though, I feel like scum could also just be Pooky/Noraa and Town has already lost.
(Hopefully, this isn't the scumteam, though.)
In post 82, butterchurn wrote:The comments from the mafia in this thread could imply a lot of different things, but I'm taking them to imply that someone has successfully gone under the radar. In which case, Off the Hook/Johnny is probably not correct, but I would be surprised if they're both town. Drapion taking away one of our miseliminations for no benefit rather than allowing himself to be resolved by night kills is incredibly annoying, and made the game quite a bit harder to win.
I agree. I also don't think they're aligned because Off the Hook was sitting on Johnny for a really long time when it was better for them to either bus Malcolm or push a Rad mislim instead of doing a weird distancing ploy.
I feel like Mislim Bait has flown under the radar, and maybe I gave them too much of a pass for sitting on Malcolm. Taly slot has also kind of flown under the radar, but Noraa feels town here.
This is a good point.
I do feel like Mislim Bait could be potentially scum, though their interactions with Drapion felt all right.
In post 110, ProfessorDrapion wrote:It isn’t hard to tell it’s Butterflies and Nora.
Town needs to vote them.
I feel like Town might interpret your track on butterflies as a clear, though.
Because that was mostly the feeling that I got when you first announced it.
In post 114, Ircher wrote:I could see Noraa being scum. Zir positioning on Drapion felt like scum that knew Drapion was flipping town. There's also the fact people have basically given the slot a free pass since the end of Day 1, and Noraa's predecessors didn't do anything as a result.
I agree with this PoE.
This will be pretty much what I'm at as well.
I still don't think that butterflies is confscum though I get why Drapion is certain on butterflies being scum.
In post 161, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Butterflies also didn’t want to be town reading everyone except one come F5 so they got rid of Pooky.
Makes allot of sense.
This doesn't make sense for Noraa to just randomly agree, though.
Why does ze agree to NK Pooky just so that butterflies has one less TR?
In post 14854, Noraa wrote:also to be clear because im like extremely tired right now and probably not speaking coherently, im not saying that i think johnny is town. im questioning the confidence behind an argument that doesnt make sense to me for johnny scum.
pooky flip =/= johnny scum
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can johnny be scum? yes, but not for this reason.
This is a good point from Noraa.
I think that it can also apply to butterflies as well.
In post 256, Frogsterking wrote:I feel like unless Best Bird is the last one, this game is headed towards a three player lylo with Johnny, Noraa and Mis Lim Bait, which sounds interesting IMO.
In post 268, MalcolmTucker wrote:Just realised this game has been ongoing for nearly 3 months. And could possibly still reach that milestone if future turns are dragged out like this.
That's true.
I kind of feel bad for the people remaining.
I feel like Town will likely vote Johnny next but I agree that it's likely that if Noraa is Town, the remaining Town might end up mislimming sometime in the future and Town loses.
We will see for posterity how “dead” town does.