LOST: Dead Thread

[ProfessorDrapion]

It’s just Butterflies and Taly I’m pretty sure and I shouldn’t have defended Taly so hard day 1.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Probably wasn’t the best play at second glance but I did get the remaining wolves out of it and continued to push wolves.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hey I've forgotten. Who was C and who was G?

I was Guanine.
Sorry for doubting you and flipping my read on Malcolm.

Sorry G&C I just wasn’t sure on you and I wanted to resolve you and see if I can catch wolves while doing so if you flipped town which you did.

[ProfessorDrapion]

JohnnyFarrar and Off the Hook is my guess for the remaining mafia.

Nah I don’t see it.

I also already explained why it’s Butterflies.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Because I'll feel bad if I got Town's most useful PR mislimmed.

Nah it’s my fault man, my gambit was a little too risky.
I feel like it paid off though if they follow my legacy.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Guess it could still be Johnny/Pooky buts that would mean Pooky is an absolute crazy wolf that wants to save Malcolm more then saving Johnny.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Plus I’m basically forcing wolves to make a nightkill on a non-confirmed player.

They have to kill Roden tonight leaving:
Johnny
ML Bait
Nora
Butterflies
Pooky
BestBird
Hook

So before LYLO they actually have to kill off a town so even if they get an ML off they have to kill a player of which we will know is town.

So my play in theory wasn’t so bad.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Let’s say the following happens:
Johnny gets ML’ed because they like to do a Rad repeat.
BestBird gets night killed.

Now it’s LYLO with ML Bait, Butterflies, Pooky, Hook and Nora
See Butterflies is playing a risky wolf game cause they are pocketing hook and townreading their partner while also showing some town read in Pooky so they can’t just go “oh it’s ML Bait” they actually have to drop one of their reads.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Oh, you lied about your results and being a tracker?

No I was tracker LMAO

[ProfessorDrapion]

Guess it could still be Johnny/Pooky buts that would mean Pooky is an absolute crazy wolf that wants to save Malcolm more then saving Johnny.

That could be possible.
Though, I feel like scum could also just be Pooky/Noraa and Town has already lost.
(Hopefully, this isn't the scumteam, though.)

Nah Butterflies I’m pretty sure perception slipped wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If you could be so kind, could you please refrain from doing this type of gambit again ProfessorDrapion?
The reason I ask is because it's hard to win games when the facts aren't the facts. I think I lost 2 of my last 3 games largely because of these types of plays.
While having a town member in control of eliminations is sometimes a good thing. Odds are with a gambit like this you will miss and then you will be miseliminated.


Pedit: Oh so you were a tracker that lied about their results? Who did you check? what were the results?

I already stated my tracks, read my post.

[ProfessorDrapion]

CSF - No Result
Bella - Wolf
BestBird - No Visit
MisLim - No Visit
Butterflies - No Visit
Blue - Visited Me
Butters (Mason Claim) - No Visit
BestBird - No Visit
Pooky - No Visit

[ProfessorDrapion]

It isn’t hard to tell it’s Butterflies and Nora.
Town needs to vote them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Vote Butterflies off and get a free ML

[ProfessorDrapion]

So even if they hit a town afterwards they just gotta get right on Nora after that.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I could see Noraa being scum. Zir positioning on Drapion felt like scum that knew Drapion was flipping town. There's also the fact people have basically given the slot a free pass since the end of Day 1, and Noraa's predecessors didn't do anything as a result.

Read Butterflies, it was the same kinda thing but they played it like a 1v1.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I could see Noraa being scum. Zir positioning on Drapion felt like scum that knew Drapion was flipping town. There's also the fact people have basically given the slot a free pass since the end of Day 1, and Noraa's predecessors didn't do anything as a result.

Good point.
I now feel like scum is Johnny/Noraa.

It’s not Johnny as it was not Rad.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually, I think that I get it now.

Thank You!

Also again I’m sorry I had you ML’ed, I just couldn’t find you as town and I wanted to use you to catch a wolf and it worked.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah even the VC Analysis of Butterflies and Taly wolves looks accurate.

Funny that Enchant was a pure wagon tbh but also hey, I called out and pushed all the wolves when I needed to.
Let’s see if it takes them 2 days to figure it out like Malcolm though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Only mistake I made this game was saving the Taly wagon.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But hey I came around to realizing Taly was wolf in the end.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also think about it.
Why did Malcolm do the kill?
Answer: Because Butterflies was afraid I’d track her again.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Although it could just be Taly slot doing the kills since I did save them day 1

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t think it’s Hook tbh.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Their response during the last day I was alive didn’t seem like a wolf but rather a town with a town perspective.
Basically they didn’t seem informed that I was town tracker and genuinely believed me to be wolf where Nora did not and butterflies barely did and as I said butterflies took a 1v1 like approach on me cause they are a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

OTH claimed Drap + johnny which makes absolutely no sense IMO.

Nah I understood it as I know they already stated to wolf read me before my fake red check.

[ProfessorDrapion]

as I said the wolves are just Butterflies and Taly Slot (Nora)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Only mistake I made this game was saving the Taly wagon.

No. This was not your only mistake.

Only one I don’t regret.
(Other then maybe RCE execution, probably shouldn’t have done that but they were PoE and I couldn’t see them as town.)

[ProfessorDrapion]

The goal of mafia is as town aligned is to eliminate all wolves from the game.
It doesn’t matter how you go about it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I strictly follow my win condition.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If I didn’t do the gambit I would have been a night kill I am forcing Butterflies and Taly to have to kill someone outside of the known confirm so probably BestBird.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I know you might not realize this but if I can call out the remaining mafia and become an ML when I was originally a destined night kill, is really good in the end cause it forces mafia to confirm someone not confirmed via night kill.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t regret what I did.
Town would have been ML’ed either way if you put it on in simulation.

This way I removed a night kill they needed and forced it into an ML which unknowingly is actually bad for wolves.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean if not for my gambit I may have not realized that butterflies and Taly were wolves.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Ok so that’s interesting.
I think butterflies killed Pooky because they knew the gambit I did they had to confirm someone so they did it before killing Roden.
Good move on butterflies part.
Now no one can sus why they are still alive and why they weren’t killed when they made sure to kill Pooky.

[ProfessorDrapion]

congrats pooky

based on that kill, I'm guessing scum will try to mislim Butterflies?

Scum is Butterflies.

(And Taly)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Butterflies also didn’t want to be town reading everyone except one come F5 so they got rid of Pooky.
Makes allot of sense.

[ProfessorDrapion]

it makes absolutely no sense for nancy to kill me lol what

I already said my thoughts last day.

F5 with You/Them/Taly/Hook/ML Bait

They have no one to call the team.
They are pocketing Hook and town read you.
They need another player to call a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Should say I shared my thoughts here in this thread.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Spoiler: my lol guess for last scum

JohnnyFarrar/Noraa/OTH POE leaning towards JF/OTH

I agree with this PoE.
This will be pretty much what I'm at as well.
I still don't think that butterflies is confscum though I get why Drapion is certain on butterflies being scum.

Johnny is Town and same with Hook

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think butterflies also made the kill to frame Johnny.

It’s funny cause I tell everyone who town is and no one trusts me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Lol Johnny town slipped.
Said Roden could be a wolf, mafia knows they can’t cause they are a mason.

[ProfessorDrapion]

The way Butterflies is treated Nora is funny.
They talked to Nora in a term that Is actually directed to everyone except Nora.
They said “Taly Gladiate” to Nora implying they aren’t directing it to Nora but they clearly are.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If things happened my way, you would have been the execution and not Mala.

[ProfessorDrapion]

LOL
Butterflies going “oh I’ll probably die”
“Mafia wants me dead”

LOL.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Roden always dies.

[ProfessorDrapion]

*Hug*

[ProfessorDrapion]

If I’m wrong I will apologize but I shouldn’t be wrong on this.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Again Johnny is Town.
Johnny killing Pooky makes not much sense based on his mention of Pooky last day.

[ProfessorDrapion]

also to be clear because im like extremely tired right now and probably not speaking coherently, im not saying that i think johnny is town. im questioning the confidence behind an argument that doesnt make sense to me for johnny scum.

pooky flip =/= johnny scum

.
can johnny be scum? yes, but not for this reason.

This is a good point from Noraa.
I think that it can also apply to butterflies as well.

I think Nora pointed it out because Butterflies is their partner but you probably already knew that’s what I think.

[ProfessorDrapion]

The way Butterflies is treated Nora is funny.
They talked to Nora in a term that Is actually directed to everyone except Nora.
They said “Taly Gladiate” to Nora implying they aren’t directing it to Nora but they clearly are.

That’s pretty weak sauce.

Someone doesn’t talk the way I do is a crap scum case.

LOL
But that’s not what I’m saying?
Issue is people need to understand I am not the best at communicating.

See Butterflies is taking as if to try and talk to others reading rather then Nora themselves.

[ProfessorDrapion]

They should also be directing it at the person to have that person get a better read on them but butterflies isn’t actually concerned about it from what I’m seeing.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm changing my guess to BB + Taly

That’s actually a good guess but I still believe it’s Butterflies cause BB’s response to me that one day I don’t think a wolf makes, that’s just real ruff, plus I tracked them twice.

[ProfessorDrapion]

On top of that BB didn’t react towards my red claim from a wolf perspective.

[ProfessorDrapion]

See how butterflies never mentioned my town flip come this day phase.
But instead concerned on the Pooky kill, (agenda).

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also what do you gain from defending Bella like me Nancy and BBT did if you're scum? Bella lives another day if our plan goes through. Who cares? Bella doesn't die that night. If Drap dies, Bella's to blame. When scum kills someone else, we policy flip Bella most likely? Or leave her alive 1 more day just in case? She's a policy flip eventually 100% and Bella has to play the next X days with more content that could given away her partners. Like what's the long term plan there and what is scum!Nancy trying to accomplish by pushing for that plan? Probably just 3 town defending a plan they believe in yeah?

Butterflies I don’t even think voted the wolves or at least not Malcolm and I believe voted everyone but Malcolm, I did a post check I’ll have to look again but I even seen that wagonomics point to Butterflies and Taly making allot of sense.
I can also get behind the fact Enchant wagon was pure.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Math
Stop critiquing me I do myself in my own way.
I may struggle to explain it well to others but I do reach the conclusion I want regardless.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Dude if things happened my way, Johnny and Rad would still be alive in my Towncore.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I can’t tell if butterflies is dropping their hook read or not.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Eh honestly sad part is I can’t say I see BB as not a wolf anymore but what I can say is this.
I still don’t want to believe it cause
1)BB’s reaction to me saying how they aren’t telling us about everything Luke has been saying about Malcolm and hiding stuff didn’t feel like they would actually make the response as a wolf. They basically told me to fuck off when I asked.
2)BB’s Perspective coming into that day and when I voted C&G and After I did, didn’t seem like a wolf that knew we were both town and the red check is fake where as butterflies did look like it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah no BB just seemed too unaware when I did that gambit.
Where butterflies acted strange before I revealed it to be a red.
They were acting like they thought and knew it wasn’t a real track before I claimed it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Taly and Butterflies are performing wolf theatre.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah

[ProfessorDrapion]

BB has just been a jerk this entire game tbh.
Where it’s acceptable as a town member but absolutely ew as a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Sorry but from my interaction with them in regards to Rad situation and how he was reading Malcolm/Luke input and now how he is treating butterflies is just blah.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Honestly shout out to these amazing hosts for doing that combined ISO (I wish it happened sooner) but I wanted that so much cause it’s ALLOT easier to look at VC’s and stuff with it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Either I’m wrong on Butterflies or Butterflies is playing the best wolf game of their life.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Cause I actually find their thought process here Townie but I still found their reaction that day hard TMI so we will see.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Honestly shout out to these amazing hosts for doing that combined ISO (I wish it happened sooner) but I wanted that so much cause it’s ALLOT easier to look at VC’s and stuff with it.

my bad, I didn't really think to do it at first but I should have

only realized i should do that because i was having to switch between ISOs myself lol

All Good!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Johnny played alright Frog :p
Feel like you think weaker players are extra wolves.
When if you can solve and try and clear the weaker players it actually benefits town significantly :p
I was trying to do that with Rad and Johnny.

[ProfessorDrapion]

it doesnt matter why he's scum, we have 3 eliminations assuming we dont hit two town in a row and just lose here. all we need to do is find 1 town within {oth, johnny, bb, noraa} and we win.

Is this a Perception Slip?
Why did they include themselves?

[ProfessorDrapion]

0 Roden
1 Johnny
2 MisLim Bait
3 OTH
4 Best Bird
5 Butterflies
6 Noraa

I’ll still stick with my original solve

[ProfessorDrapion]

I said Taly and Butterflies

[ProfessorDrapion]

I feel like a clown for saving Taly on D1 but then again I am a clown so it fits

Yeah I caught myself on it and redeemed myself on it during the last day.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like I looked at wagonomics and everything.

Nora and Butterflies made allot of damn sense.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I looked at wagonomics.

MisLim Bait is lock town to me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

His slot owner voted Taly with Malcolm, Cephrir wagon isn’t a pure wagon I don’t believe it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like it’s Butterflies or Math’s entire wolf team voted him.

12 Mathblade (Bell, Taly, RCEnigma, ProfessorDrapion, butterchurn, Cat Scratch Fever, MalcolmTucker, Rad, PookyTheMagicalBear, Best Bird, Off the Hook, Bellaphant)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wow, it really was BB. What a deep scum.

I really hope it isn’t cause when I questioned BB in regards to Malcolm and that he’s not saying all the info on Malcolm from Luke he told me to fuck off.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If it isn’t Butterflies it’s probably Off the Hook.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But it’s like.
Idk man.

[ProfessorDrapion]

mm i dont think i agree. maybe with this town, sort of. but its not solely nancy's influence. who's to say that nancy hard town reading me would save me? like you dont KNOW that.

like its basically impossible to vote out town nancy. its way easier to just townread her

In my honest opinion, I think that trying to mislim Nancy isn't easy.

Sure it is!
As wolf I like to ML the strongest town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Correction.
You think I would die.

But I’m no Ordinary person.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I could go for a hamburger.

+1

[ProfessorDrapion]

Idk why you guys think I was wrong.
I told you both Johnny and Rad was town.
I called out Nora at the end and admitted I was wrong on my initial town read on their slot owner Taly before I died.
I was right on Bella and Math
I was right on Malcolm shortly after I was interacting with Mala I realized Malcolm was actually very probable wolf.


Stop thinking I’m just some ego jackass.
There is a reason I state stuff and can I be wrong? Of course I can.

But as far as I see I have been playing very fucking well this game and the most accurate player here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I have been playing mafia consistently since roughly 2017.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Pretty sure a little bit in 2015 - 2016

[ProfessorDrapion]

I know experience doesn’t mean “really good” and I know some players have more experience then me.

But throughout my experiences I have been observant on how the game works and how to be more accurate and what really is AI and what actually isn’t AI.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I was the one wolves were most scared of.
They even made Malcolm die cause they didn’t want me to track a deeper wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Best Bird probably dies tonight

[ProfessorDrapion]

Maybe ML Bait

[ProfessorDrapion]

This is going to be a scum win with bb butterflies oth misliming bb

Gg

Then it says

Butterflies was the last mafia


Then I quote my post from the last day I was alive

[ProfessorDrapion]

No one tunneled town better than BB this game

Lol so true.
And he saved Malcolm so much I said that “I think Luke has more of an opinion on Malcolm and that I don’t believe Luke town reads Malcolm” just like that.
Then BB told me to fuck off

He ain’t a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yo if only I could have saved Rad and Johnny.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’d be putting them into town core

[ProfessorDrapion]

CSF - No Result
Bella - Wolf
BestBird - No Visit
MisLim - No Visit
Butterflies - No Visit
Blue - Visited Me
Butters (Mason Claim) - No Visit
BestBird - No Visit
Pooky - No Visit

This doesn’t look great for OtH, I admit. But for Gamma to say all of that really hurtful stuff to me as scum, I just don’t think so.

And for BB to tell me to fuck off?

I think if we say those are both town tells them looks like I was fucking played by ML Bait.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I would give credit to them cause vote counts and socially and reads.
ML Bait really looks like town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Nancy you can trash Drap all you want, but you hard defended the Taly slot so aggressively that I felt uncomfortable even considering mentioning it after day 1.

TBF I also hard defended that slot till I 180’ed on them during the last day I was alive.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m sorry I thought it was you butterflies.
You looked like you had TMI

[ProfessorDrapion]

If it’s BestBird I am going to policy execute him the entire time I play with him cause he had disgusting town play of me calling out him being aligned with his wolf buddy Malcolm and that BB isn’t telling all info about Malcolm from Luke and the dude tells me to fuck off?

Just no man, that was ducking uncalled for as a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Let me rephrase.
I’m going to obligatory vote them every game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Thank fucking god BB was Town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Your basically telling someone that they shouldn’t think about their buddy in the mean way kinda thing.
(Probably better way to explain it)
But the point is it’s really douche wolf play.

So I’m glad BB was town.