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Gamma isn't scum reading me based on tone yet
VOTE: gammaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Kill it with fire!Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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telling the truth about 50?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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don't talk about on going gamesOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Fennec prob town though. Scum might try to avoid breaking site rules, yeah?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I think I've matured as a player in the last 3 or 4 years and past me might want cape dead ASAP but now I just think he's maybe a lil' sus. If he's scum that read on Gamma for slightly silly reasoning looks like buddying.In post 59, Frogsterking wrote:Do you think I'm jumping ahead of myself as far as cape goes?
I should scum read you?In post 60, Fennec wrote:also Nero's read is kinda bad too
He's not. I just called him out on it and he's either clarifying or backtracking.In post 61, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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my reads are good despite what queen Ari says. discredit me more scumbuttIn post 69, Cape90 wrote:You are being swayed by Nero of all people?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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VOTE: capeOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I'm not sure if this is true? Like you may have intentionally town read me when I was town reading you and then as the game progressed I think you started to suspect me a lil' and then after VP flipped you were hard scum reading me. Though that might have been more mechanical than play based.In post 77, Cape90 wrote:I found Nero as town pretty easily last large game so
Isn't this as fence sitty as you claim that I'm being?In post 83, Cape90 wrote:I guess not yet but I have my eye on him. He seems dodgy with his reads.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Cape lambasting Frog for being swayed by me isn't a defense, its an attack on me.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I called out Cape for using pretty silly reasoning to town read Gamma with and his response is basically "don't listen to Nero his reads are shit and he likes to burn down cities."Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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It's Tuesday night...did everyone get a date or something?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Nero is never going to flip scum so that fixes that problem but I don't get what you are saying here.In post 126, Cape90 wrote:Down the line if Nero flips scum the vote could mean something, but not now
chummy to who? Also, there were no extra votes or pressure between my 80 and 84 so your "testing the waters" theory doesn't holdIn post 144, Frogsterking wrote:Yes exactly, chummy and testing the waters more like.WATER.
My 84 wasn't naked. As Cape correctly points out I voted him for 69 wich I had not gotten to yet as my 80 ends at 61.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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maybe you should look harder then?In post 151, Fennec wrote:I'm not seeing much answers from nero
b/c like I've refuted all of Frog's false accusations. What do you believe that I haven't answered?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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then vote me chumpIn post 150, Frogsterking wrote:Sorry you rolled scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't think this is an accurate description of my play.In post 168, Charloux wrote:getting "violent" because you know you can't defend yourself using words.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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such a talented painterOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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What questions am I supposedly not answering?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't see whats townie about constantly saying that I'm not answering these mysterious questions. He keeps sniping at me from a safe distance.In post 200, MalcolmTucker wrote:I like Fennec's approach so far, they seem open and townie.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I think most people are ready and willing to call bunk on a shitty read.In post 191, Cape90 wrote:I know a person who plays like this as town
I know that he mostly reneged on his stance on me but I still think 183 is a mischaracterization and the closest I actually came to that is 153.
If the "case" on me isbeing chummy and testing the watersthen I easily explain that away in 149 so his thing about me not using words and fennec's claim that I'm not answering questions is both false.
Dude can't even face me, all he can do is repeat the same thing over and overIn post 152, Nero Cain wrote:What do you believe that I haven't answered?
In post 151, Fennec wrote:I'm not seeing much answers from nero.
good thing no one is fact checkingIn post 193, Fennec wrote:Nero never answered the questionsOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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define dodgy and what am I being dodgy about?In post 227, Fennec wrote:So I'm Placing this out there: A LOT of the people on the list have posted like a max of 3 posts, Let alone with content inside them, which is even higher. at least 1-2 of them are probabbblyyy mafia due to the amount.
To me, I think Gamma/Greeting/Nero are dodgy to me. Frog/Cape/Gamma/Nero/Greeting to me feel like a set of people with definitely 1 maf, could even be 2. All 5 of you are just to me Kinda Dodgy. As usual when the game has changed but I still need a lot more information, I'm gonna have to revoke my Vote
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But be warned, next time i'm voting I'm actually gonna be parking my ass right down on ya.
Why unvote?
Why are you avoiding me?
Where were these questions I didn't answer?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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It's possible, what do you think of him spending half this game accusing me of not answering questions and then randomly unvoting?In post 237, Greeting wrote:
I don't think it's AI. He might have just not known about this. I've done this as a new player on this site too, and I would have done it regardless of my alignment.In post 57, Nero Cain wrote:Fennec prob town though. Scum might try to avoid breaking site rules, yeah?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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the suspicion on me is dumb and I don't understand why my name keeps popping up.In post 243, SirRhett wrote:If that's all the info I have to go off of, then it sounds like Meeting or Nero might be the best leads thus far?
frogs you are scum for this and this and then when I refute it he falls back onto "Nero is outside of town range" isn't a great look
kittys posting seems superficial and they are prob scum again.
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ok then whats the question I'm supposed to be answering and why have I had to ask you this 4 times now?In post 264, Fennec wrote:discrediting what people were saying isn't an answer to me.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yes. his accusation was that I was testing the waters. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense b/c there was nothing new between 80/82 and 84.
Why is this not an answer?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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also, the time between 80 and 84 is 3 minutes so I don't think its the hesitation that he is trying to claim it is.
or maybe I just test fast or something.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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ofc this is also why after I pointed out that his case made no sense he fell back on "meta" but this is just normal Nero so....Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I voted cape b/c I felt like him trying to discredit me was scummy. (like I know he was saying that it was about trust, not about my ability and eh...) If your issue is that I didn't vote cape in 82 but 84 then I don't really have a good answer for you. I just did. Maybe I wanted a post with just a vote on him. Maybe I was just reacting and wasn't thinking about where my vote should go but I think the wholeIn post 278, Fennec wrote:An Answer could be why those actions where taken?you didn't vote him in 82seems ridiculous
is this basically a sheep of Charloux's 168 If so, the first 3 are quotes of mine aren't even relevant b/c they aren't me reacting to players that were scum reading me. 82 is maybe aggressive as is 153. I think 152 is more of cheeky response to your "Nero isn't answering THE question." I also thinkIn post 278, Fennec wrote:and why were you so aggressive within the pages you were accused on
Frog: Nero is scum for X
Nero: none of that even remotely makes sense b/c Y and Z
is responding and answering to the accusations so I was both baffled and alarmed that you made the claim that I wasn't.
to Charloux's credit, he did do his homework but I still don't think I was any more aggressive than I usually am or that I was any more aggressive than anyone else is when they are being pushed for bs.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Marie I sympathize that you have the flu but you are going to have to do more than shitpush Nero.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't care about your vote, just that I think you should be trying to do things.
what conversations aren't coming from a villa mindset?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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@ modplz prod Crescent if you haven't done soOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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i had felt like
(I think there was another quote that better outlines his belief that one of me/maria are scum but this'll do.)In post 251, Frogsterking wrote:My 2nd FoS is Maria.
this was your classic push town bus buddy and Maria also pushed the idea that one of me/frog is scum and that their plan was to tag team me today and then possibly cross distance tomorrow so I wasn't really expecting Frog to vote Maria.
ofc they've now both gotten off me and went elsewhere besides each other.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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for someone that claims to know me, you sure don't know me. Also hasn't it been like years since we've played together? Anyways, do I strike you as the kind of guy that's not going to be argumentative? but I don't think your claim that I'm not scumhunting is true.In post 291, MariaR wrote:I don't think me sitting here and chilling (or lack of doing things) has any indication on my alignment and that's not even including the current circumstances.
You seem way more interested in winning any conversation you're in than figuring out the alignment of the people in question anytime I glance over your posting.
I can understand that you don't want to do anything while you are sick but I don't think being sick absolves you of your sins.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I'm multitasking and have been doing both.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you are also voting dragon, not mariaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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probably. I know we've been scum together and you were scum in our last game.In post 310, KittyTacky wrote:Bruh have you played with town me, I'm always superficial early, especially because I can't get a feel for the goddamn game. -_-
I just feel like sleeping rhett about this game being fluff when it's not really.243
and I had also felt like your opening salvo that ended in 162 just conveniently ended before the game starts to get a little more contenty.
and both are +scum. The only really game related content you have is calling fennec town and asking maria a q. The rest is useless fluff so it feels like you are just active lurking and aren't willing to get your hands dirty and really comment on the game.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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how come you didn't call him out when he was doing this to me?In post 325, Frogsterking wrote:That looks like a post I might write as scum to troll people.
"Hey, you didn't answer my question!"
*posts word soup*
"Hey, where's my answer to that question?"Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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how come you didn't call him out when he was doing this to me?In post 325, Frogsterking wrote:That looks like a post I might write as scum to troll people.
"Hey, you didn't answer my question!"
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"Hey, where's my answer to that question?"Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I identify as Nero, not Neri.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why not now?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Toog is a tire pandaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Intent. Claim mariaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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lol, Idk how many votes are on Maria but I just said intent to make things happen b/c I am fucking sick of these snail paced day phases. Wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't even close to hammer, I'd hammer her though.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I think Chungus is pretty null. The joke? about not knowing it was d1 seemed kinda fake though.In post 441, Frogsterking wrote:
What do you think about the rest of my scum reads?In post 439, Nero Cain wrote:Intent. Claim maria
Don't get the greeting thing though.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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how is this a skill issue?In post 499, MariaR wrote:skill issue tbhOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you can call most of the thread town and still be mostly right!
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 160, KittyTacky wrote:Fennec town IMO.In post 500, KittyTacky wrote:Frog vs Fennec = TvT imo.In post 229, KittyTacky wrote:
You also seem town. nobody's particularly scummy so far, I'm still getting a feel for the game.In post 182, Charloux wrote:I can't get a read on Cape at all. Reading his posts gives me the same feeling i get while listening to my grandparents; I just shut myself off mentally without realizing it and forget everything that was talked about. He lacks the oomph in his posts to get my attention.
I'll leave him be for today and hope someone kills/investigates him by tomorrow.
@KittyTackyDo you have any more reads perchance?
Also would like something with context from Crescent, Pooky, Toogeloo andSTDSave the Dragons.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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im pretty sure you also said that when you were scum so...In post 510, KittyTacky wrote:I often find it easier to townhunt than scumhunt.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I'm p sure he was pushing that one of me or Maria was scum just like Mari was pushing that one of me or Frog was scumIn post 522, Cape90 wrote:At least u implied this when u voted MariaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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kinda rude gammaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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VOTE: maria
since my vote on Kitty is useless. Not sure why ppl town read that.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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