hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

[MariaR]

Glad to see out of the 100 posts almost none of them were that helpful given how objectively nai they were

but hey VOTE: Nero it wasn't all that bad

[MariaR]

Thank you for volunteering Maria.

Oh no.

Can you talk more about which posts you consider AI vs NAI?

Sigh

that's effort? Don't you know how lazy I am? Besides the obvious RVS votes that are just >rand on if you want to call them AI or not, I think most of the stuff said so far has a level of effort put in that on a baseline looks towny (because people TR effort a lot) but on the stuff that is AI in and of itself? Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

[MariaR]

Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

Why, who and where?

Why: Because it was the closest thing to anything revealing said in my eyes but I understand people TR things easier than I do.
Who: Between Nero and Cape
Where: 49-54

Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

Why, who and where?

Fourth question: what do you predict marci's rationale will be for their suspicion on MalcolmTucker?

I didn't read on so I still don't know but I also don't really care or see the point on such speculation unless this was a trap question

[MariaR]

Gamma/Nero can get votes no opinion on other people

[MariaR]

Cape had a lot of content that isn't just fuzzy nothing so it's easy to read that content and not like it, but I think in and of itself? Pretty good. I think this game really has nothing solid, still feels like RVS but I think Nero is the best place to press right now.

Is Greeting always this snappy?

[MariaR]

Can someone explain to me why voting for scum leans > voting for prod dodgers?

I think it depends on how much information said scum lean gives on my own personal viewpoint.

[MariaR]

Apart from Gamma; toogeloo, pooky and dragons are viable for me right now. Well dragons will get replaced prob so not them.
I'm afraid of reading Maria because of ptsd.

Good to know you're a villager

ur scum :rosejudge:

This would've been pretty cool if it had a vote with it

Why would you vote for someone you think is scum over someone who isn't trying very hard?

Toogeloo can get votes too.

[MariaR]

Toogeloo can get votes too.

Of course I can. Anyone can! That's the fun of Mafia!

That being said, I'm pretty sure you read my extremely sarcastic and not a sincere post out of context.

You're right, when you're sick with the flu my reading sarcasm skills go down to 0

[MariaR]

2 - Why did maria voting someone make Cape/Frog just fucking accuse them into shit, then maria tags along with the accusation that they never made, despite being the initiator of the vote on them, and the entire reason an accusation started (While it wasn't theirs at all, despite it starting from them) And yes IK you didn't directly mention this, but the "Originally TR" gives me the vibe that you noticed that.

Sorry can you point this out to me. I'm pretty sick rn so I've kinda been coasting

[MariaR]

Also, I think Cape is a villa if it means anything, the stuff they've presented I feel is easy to latch onto because it's a lot of content and while I disagree with some of the points made, they're helping the village push forward rn so I don't have an interest voting there

[MariaR]

I don't think I've even been pushing you that hard, kinda just been stating I have a wolfread on you and keeping my vote on you, I don't think my contributions have done much in the way to get you voted, do you care about it that badly?

Switching my vote to Gamma is an option, but that isn't going to go anywhere and the other main option is cape who I don't agree with. Of course, I could start my own wagon but that's effort.
pedit: mmmm I don't have a problem with you being aggressive, we've played together enough that I know that's just your style of play I just don't think the way you've held conversations are coming from a villa mindset early in the game. Sure, you're overly defensive (and that's fine you're being pushed) but I'm not digging it.

Where should I be voting again?

[MariaR]

I don't think me sitting here and chilling (or lack of doing things) has any indication on my alignment and that's not even including the current circumstances.

You seem way more interested in winning any conversation you're in than figuring out the alignment of the people in question anytime I glance over your posting.

[MariaR]

@Fennec


So basically you're saying you don't think Frogs thinking is real, right? I do think if Nero is a villager Frog is a wolf because of the way they handled that sideline middle ground here and it looked partly advantageous. Like, if both of them are a villager I would be quite surprised. Frog's trap posting of saying if I unvote Nero we're partners is really bad.

Anyway, Gamma's posting is pretty weak and as someone who can read Gamma pretty well, what are your thoughts on them? I feel like Gamma and MT need to have a bit more of a spotlight then they're given because the loud voices are drowning everything else out at the moment.

[MariaR]

The only appeal a Cape vote has is I can look at all the people that voted him but I'm not feeling that sadistic yet. Having only 3 good TR's is lame though

[MariaR]

Yeah I need maria to actually answer a question now: Why the fuck did you vote nero? You never gave a reason, let Cape/Frog do the accusation then just tagged the fuck on with that accusation and its reasoning?

Oh also: I never looked at what Cape or Frog said I came to my own answer. Weird how that works ik

[MariaR]

Save the Dragons/Marci/Char
Fen/Cape
.
Pooky/Gamma
Nero/Frog

I go lay down now have fun

[MariaR]

For example, my fine feathered friend, you may have noticed exhibit A:

but I understand people TR things easier than I do.

Save the Dragons/Marci/Char
Fen/Cape
.
Pooky/Gamma
Nero/Frog

I go lay down now have fun

A contradiction in the number of Townreads they listed vs the number they should have were they sorting the thread organically.

There is no way, you are going to come into the thread and say "I made this one post to try and make Maria scumread me therefore showing that she is a wolf" because you weren't trying to do that and the fact you're trying to claim that is beyond silly, I don't think it'd take anyone more than two seconds to see how that's doesn't happen.

Now the post above me? Just because I made the statement: "people tr things easier than I do" does not mean I cannot have townreads made in the thread overtime. What you're pointing out isn't even a contradiction you're trying to paint it as this blanket statement that if Maria doesn't have more wolfreads than scumreads that statement is false.

Either you're reaching so hard that you've convinced yourself that I am a wolf with such wacky reasoning without even considering why this stuff can come from a villager or you're just a wolf trying to paint anything possible into a wolfread.

I'll let the thread figure out what.

[MariaR]

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

[MariaR]

I've talked too much on why I think Frogs post suck so I'm gonna move here for the time being.

[MariaR]

I don't think me sitting here and chilling (or lack of doing things) has any indication on my alignment and that's not even including the current circumstances.

You seem way more interested in winning any conversation you're in than figuring out the alignment of the people in question anytime I glance over your posting.

for someone that claims to know me, you sure don't know me. Also hasn't it been like years since we've played together? Anyways, do I strike you as the kind of guy that's not going to be argumentative? but I don't think your claim that I'm not scumhunting is true.

I can understand that you don't want to do anything while you are sick but I don't think being sick absolves you of your sins.

I don't think I've been using my illness as a crutch this game nor have I been trying to state that. I also never said you being in an argument is bad you're missing the entire point of all my statements. It feels like we're reading 2 different games lol

[MariaR]

That looks like a post I might write as scum to troll people.

"Hey, you didn't answer my question!"

*posts word soup*

"Hey, where's my answer to that question?"

how come you didn't call him out when he was doing this to me?

Lack of social awareness. Sorry. I'm watching him a lot more closely now.

Because frog is a wolf*

yw fixed that for you B)

[MariaR]

I've been trying to think of if there's a worldview where Frog is just a villa who is wrong but I can't get over the fact they just made up a worldview that never existed to begin with, and acted like they had this grand bait scheme. (didn't happen)

MT needs to have more votes on them, just look at that iso and tell me that's a villager mindset and not someone just watching from the sides taking shots posting busywork. It's such an obvious wolf iso

[MariaR]

VT.

[MariaR]

I'm more confident on MT being wolf than Frog so I'd go MT>Frog after my flip. Glad to see I still got it on the "no one can read my slot" after a year away heh.

[MariaR]

I would like to believe if I wasn't sick I'd beat this dumb tunnel and only half of that is me being stubborn the other half is coughing pleasesendhelp.

Hammer away, I got more things to do.

[MariaR]

You wish wolf me could be caught this easily B)

Anyway, Toogeloo/Pooky votes on me are the ones I would raise the most eyebrows at. Still feel good about my towncore.

[MariaR]

I will be quite sad if you're a villager because seeing you try to backtrack out of my flip will be 100% worth the wait.
pedit: I'm not posting a five person solve on D1 that's stupid and it will probably be incorrect I'm not letting scum cling to my list and pushing the incorrect people in my solve. I'm more confident in my villa reads.

[MariaR]

if this town really just let's you go "welp oh well" after I flip then I will be rolling in my grave with laughter tbh.

[MariaR]

Whoa, is that's what's considered Ate nowadays?

*old man voice* back in my days you had to start swearing and victim blaming to get the ate card pulled on you. Good to know for future reference though.
pedit: I know my wagon is based on people following a world view that literally never happened and would take five seconds of reading to see there have been no real things pointed out about my play that have been scummy besides people not reading my tone properly. As someone who has only been exe'd D1 as scum once in my entire life that stat will not be changing today.

Yall should look at how horrible Pooky/Too/MT are though if there aren't wovles in those 3 I'll go outside naked saying I saw jesus

[MariaR]

So is your push (B

[MariaR]

it legit doesn't exist.

[MariaR]

None of you have played with me for over a year and I'm getting BoP'd?
On Day 1. Okay, I must admit that legit got me to laugh out loud kudos to you that's a new level of reach.
pedit: Silently quoting my posts, that's convincing. Also having disagreeing reads doesn't mean someone is scum before you try that next

[MariaR]

"I have no good counterpoint to your argument because I know I'm wrong but can't think of an excuse" aka: Hammer please

[MariaR]

There is no case
there is no "you are scum because of "XYZ"
it's a bunch of random stacked votes and if that doesn't make you go "hmmmm" then ???

[MariaR]

Gamma cannot read me and has not been able to read me for over 5 years. Gamma reads me based on how I read them. if I call them a wolf I'm a wolf if I call them a villager I'm a villager. Gamma even read me wrong the last time we played together.

You are legit bringing up new points you never talked or thought about just to try and act like this was a real thought you had.

[MariaR]

Hey, self righteous is harsh I prefer...blunt and correct more times than others proven by facts B)

[MariaR]

Also considering Gamma was incorrect on me the last time we played that's not really a good argument and you're just really pulling stuff to try and sound like you know what you're talking about.

[MariaR]

Gamma is the definition of an OMGUS player when it comes to me as I've stated before. But this doesn't matter because if you really were buying and basing part of your read based on what Gamma you said you would've brought it up before not now when you're just doing this to try and build a case out of sticks

[MariaR]

I'm more amazed people are buying what Frog is trying to sell more than Frog itself because the arguments (or should I say lack for of) are so full of holes. They've ignored every point I've brought up and just plugged their ears saying hammer.

[MariaR]

lol, Idk how many votes are on Maria but I just said intent to make things happen b/c I am fucking sick of these snail paced day phases. Wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't even close to hammer, I'd hammer her though.

skill issue tbh

[MariaR]

Kitty villa

[MariaR]

say less
VOTE: Toog

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MalcolmTucker

VOTE: Malcolm Tucker

[MariaR]

If this is a villager it locks one of Pooky/Toog wolf for me if it's a wolf? Well, easy.

[MariaR]

If this is a villager it locks one of Pooky/Toog wolf for me if it's a wolf? Well, easy.

y u ignore me

what do you want

[MariaR]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Frog? Yes.
Cape? Ehhh jury is out.
Gamma? Bad villager prob

[MariaR]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Okay this seems like a scum post
5 scum in a 16 player game is very unlikely

you mistake me for someone who looked at more than the game type when replacing in. I am only now just learning we have only 16 players. i see large, i assume 4-6 scum so "like 5" is a normal response. are you sure this is just a "bad villager" maria?

eh, gamma's takes are normally way off course and bad so I'd have to look at there wolf games all over again but they're whining like a child who wants attention and this is on par for what I remember.

[MariaR]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Okay this seems like a scum post
5 scum in a 16 player game is very unlikely

you mistake me for someone who looked at more than the game type when replacing in. I am only now just learning we have only 16 players. i see large, i assume 4-6 scum so "like 5" is a normal response. are you sure this is just a "bad villager" maria?

eh, gamma's takes are

normally way off course

and bad so I'd have to look at there wolf games all over again but they're whining like a child who wants attention and this is on par for what I remember.

Gamma's post isn't incorrect on the second part.
Getting mech info wrong isn't AI though IMO.

My post was made because calling someone scum for getting mech info wrong is insane

[MariaR]

Will be catching up later tonight still at the fair

[MariaR]

Cape do you still think save is out of their scum range

[MariaR]

The more I read it feels like frog is just weaponizing Gamma’s bad reads tbh

[MariaR]

v] StD [/v]

meh

[MariaR]

VOTE: Save the dragons

Kek

[MariaR]

VOTE: Frog [/v[
la la la

[MariaR]

All this nonsense

VOTE: Frog

Let's go to night

[MariaR]

VOTE: alisae

[MariaR]

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

[MariaR]

I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble.

[MariaR]

skill issue

fuck-

[MariaR]

This hotel finally gave me the internet password after I said I'd sue (joke)
Sup Mathblade welcome to the town slot.

[MariaR]

Yikes, all of these wagons suck, not that I'm going to change it while I'm on vacation but meh. The people who hard pushed the Greeting wagon for BS reasons need to be looked at. Also when does Forg's BoP refer to themselves tbh?

VOTE: Frog

[MariaR]

Hrm I could just vote Save and say if he's a villager I can sheep my own reads and just say I was correct and if he's a wolf just sit back for a bit. Will think about that later

[MariaR]

Yikes, all of these wagons suck, not that I'm going to change it while I'm on vacation but meh. The people who hard pushed the Greeting wagon for BS reasons need to be looked at. Also when does Forg's BoP refer to themselves tbh?

VOTE: Frog

Why does BCG wagon suck?

I don't think Frog and BCG are partners and Frog>>>>>>>>>BCG

[MariaR]

Basically, I think Frog has a higher chance of flipping scum than BCG.

For them to be partners, they had to stage an entirely pointless argument that only made both of them look worse, and I suppose if you want to argue they have a big enough ego to do that, sure. What am I missing about BCG because it seems like you're confident on that to some degree.

[MariaR]

I guess if Save is a villager I'd raise an eyebrow a tad but if he's a wolf the likelihood of them both being a wolf goes down a lot. Maybe I should come to a better answer on Save's alignment, sure I'll put that on my todo list.
pedit:

pat pat

that's nice Titus

[MariaR]

Basically, I think Frog has a higher chance of flipping scum than BCG.

For them to be partners, they had to stage an entirely pointless argument that only made both of them look worse, and I suppose if you want to argue they have a big enough ego to do that, sure. What am I missing about BCG because it seems like you're confident on that to some degree.

From what I have gone through so far in the game town seemed to consolidate on BGC yet the Alisae/Greeting slot was elimmed and Kitty slot (who suspected BGC died)

Most towns tend to reflect back on failed wagons D2 and that didn’t happen

So I asked why in my opening and the responses were weird.

Frog linked me to his reads and BGC was “kill it with fire”

Yet Frog never votes BGC and wants to “test” BGC with an StD elim.

Granted I haven’t gotten to the fight you’re alluding to but I am still shocked if they did fight why won’t they vote each other.

I see what you're selling and consider me nodding along. Guess that means the vote should be in Save/BGC/Frog wow, that was easy.

Anyone who thinks Enchant is town I would be surprised if they're townreading Titus given how badly the former slot was (yes 5 posts blah blah) do I think Enchant is town? Meh. Do I think Titus is town? Meh part 2

[MariaR]

Could I convince people there's a wolf in BGC/Frog because there 100% probably is? Don't know, it'd probably be easier to vote Save and see where that leads but I'll go the hard route for now.

[MariaR]

I'm still not seeing scum Frog, their play is really erratic here but feels townie erratic. I don't know, the frustration with BCG D1 felt more like town hyperfocusing on a specific slot for reasons which were going beyond the game itself. I'm aware scum isn't always robotic and sensible but I feel like scum would be more likely to rein it in a bit.

Even with the slight nod at how your theory is a little meh it's still way too black and white for how a game of mafia works. You can get angry at a slot and still be a wolf, it is such an easy emotion to generate. Why would a wolf need to rein it in to begin with when Frog has been trying to play town leader and half the people here bowed down and said "yes master" Day 1? There's 0 reason to do any of what you're saying.

[MariaR]

If I rolled my eyes any harder they're fall out of my skull.
pedit: I'm okay with that world tbh

[MariaR]

I'm still not seeing scum Frog, their play is really erratic here but feels townie erratic. I don't know, the frustration with BCG D1 felt more like town hyperfocusing on a specific slot for reasons which were going beyond the game itself. I'm aware scum isn't always robotic and sensible but I feel like scum would be more likely to rein it in a bit.

BCG I'd be content with eliminating though. Have had some doubts on the slot (mainly due to Kitty's elimination) but their responses since returning to the game haven't been townie in the slightest. Given their activity D1 feels like they're not contributing much in the hope we'll just forget them and opt for someone else.

Can you answer my damn questions instead of going back and forth with the bitter low PoE slots who spam "kill frog"over and over again?

Town doesn't need chaos and lone wolves right now it needs organization.

You have to realize on some level right now that it's in scum interest to spam the thread up by whatever means necessary and prevent us from consolidating a Town core.

I agree with you scum love to spam up the thread and fill it with nonse-

oh . . .

[MariaR]

Could I convince people there's a wolf in BGC/Frog because there 100% probably is? Don't know, it'd probably be easier to vote Save and see where that leads but I'll go the hard route for now.

I’d do Titus over Save.

Save is just eww imho based on Frogs play.

I'm not entirely convinced on Titus scum tbh, could just be misguided villager following Frog who knows. I'm not against Save going over because I think it'd at least wake people up to more scummy slots instead of trying to come up with this false world that's never existed

[MariaR]

Back to the pool for me. Goated lists keep it up
pedit: You both could be a villagers tbh I'm not putting that world out.
Pooky is just a wolf but meh

[MariaR]

VOTE: Pooky

Say less

[MariaR]

Still at MB/Titus TvT

[MariaR]

this is why rolecop is a useless role because everyone will claim anyway.

Also don’t know why you guys are doing setup spec with no wolf flips and people can easily be lying

[MariaR]

one day my jokes will hit.

[MariaR]

one day my jokes will hit.

What's the punchline?

The point of a role is to find out what roles are in the game.

Rolecop is a useless role when everyone massclaims.

That was the joke. I haven't claimed yet so.

[MariaR]

Yall are too lost in the claim spec when we should just play mafia and vote out the scummy players, I don't really care about any of the d2 invest claims that clearly don't have anything groundbreaking yet when we can just get more info.

[MariaR]

Great plan now let's vote out Pooky

[MariaR]

And then Frog while we're at it because it would take two seconds for them to see the world view they're coming up with is incorrect because I'm hard pushing Pooky but Frog is either town who never thinks they're wrong and needs to go over or just a wolf and I don't think they're a bad player so wolf it is.

Toogeloo can go
Someone find me the wolves in furtiveglance/Save/MT
pedit: I'd rather we vote out scum considering the fact you're lost in the claims since scum can easily fake there claims and if you just look at this game as a game of Mafia Pooky's posts are awful.

[MariaR]

Like if there really is a vig Toogeloo should be the shot 9/10 times 44 posts of legit nothing. Like, if you're not gonna play the game just sub out and stop wasting time or get vig'd/exe'd for all I care.

[MariaR]

Like if there really is a vig Toogeloo should be the shot 9/10 times 44 posts of legit nothing. Like, if you're not gonna play the game just sub out and stop wasting time or get vig'd/exe'd for all I care.

..Toog is a claimed invest.

Ffs can we not try to mass murder invests before they can prove themselves

Or not murder proven ones?

I don't care if they're a claimed IC.

You can just claim whatever you want it doesn't make your claim more or less likely be a villager invest vs a scum invest, if they're a scum invest and give a true result I doubt it'll be anything useful. If it's a villager invest it's already clear with all these invests wolves prob have some counter player.

Stop putting so much stock into invest city and focus on mafia. You cannot solve this game through invest power alone.

[MariaR]

And then Frog while we're at it because it would take two seconds for them to see the world view they're coming up with is incorrect because I'm hard pushing Pooky but Frog is either town who never thinks they're wrong and needs to go over or just a wolf and I don't think they're a bad player so wolf it is.

Toogeloo can go
Someone find me the wolves in furtiveglance/Save/MT
pedit: I'd rather we vote out scum considering the fact you're lost in the claims since scum can easily fake there claims and if you just look at this game as a game of Mafia Pooky's posts are awful.

They’re really great imho.

I don’t get this Pooky wagon at all.

It started and no one has given reasons other than “awful”.

Why?

Why would we sacrifice checking 4 alignments for someone already proven truthful?

Pooky only started playing the game because they got pushed and focused on Frog because they think Frog is doing some XYZ stuff and it makes them annoyed. All that? NAI.

The rest of there posts are shrug emojis and naked votes not doing anything. The reason I want to push Pooky/Too so hard is so they can be useful and not be drowned out by all the loud ass voices in the thread.

[MariaR]

Okay so what I'm getting from this is you're just snowballed over invest claims.

If we somehow unlock the gods and win due to all these invest games I'll say you were right post game but I doubt that'll happen.

[MariaR]

You legit had Pooky as "idk they can get voted shrug" until Pooky claimed and now you're like "Wow I adore Pooky"

You're just misted/snowballed over the fact they claimed invest. Obviously, mafia will have some counter play to all this so I have no idea what you're expecting.

When the day starts with invest claims dead and people saying they were roleblocked what are you gonna do? Say "oh okay" and let it keep going?.

Pedit: Meta from one game showing Pooky doesn't do anything as a villager as well as a wolf isn't an excuse for his horrible voting patters and play this game.

[MariaR]

There is nothing stopping wolves from lying, or making things up. It isn't like we're in a spot where we have tightened our grip on the wolves and they have to play how we make them or they're caught.

It's actually a spot where they can guide the information how they please and we'll just follow it like sheep. Just elim the wolfy people it is not that hard.

[MariaR]

You legit had Pooky as "idk they can get voted shrug" until Pooky claimed and now you're like "Wow I adore Pooky"

You're just misted/snowballed over the fact they claimed invest. Obviously, mafia will have some counter play to all this so I have no idea what you're expecting.

When the day starts with invest claims dead and people saying they were roleblocked what are you gonna do? Say "oh okay" and let it keep going?.

Pedit: Meta from one game showing Pooky doesn't do anything as a villager as well as a wolf isn't an excuse for his horrible voting patters and play this game.

1) Voting patterns are fine.

2) Yes mafia will have something to counter town. But we learn from how they try to.

3) Yes I adore Pooky right now. There is no reason to elim him now. He’s literally proven.

4) When people say roleblocked we analyze it. It’s unlikely scum have all four roleblockers so someone’s going to learn something or de facto inno. I am arguing patience.

There is no horrible play. You keep repeating this but don’t detail it. I countered your joking Pooky = scum Pooky premise. What’s next?

You didn't counter anything you linked one game where Pooky didn't do anything as a villager and are acting like that means he can't be a wolf. I wasn't saying he was a wolf for doing nothing, I'm saying he's a wolf because he only started playing when he got pushed and focused on Frog for something out of this game instead of anything that happened here going "where's the case on me" but didn't bat an eyelash when there was no case on Greeting or myself. i could see a world where Pooky is just a selfish bad villager but that still gives me no reason to let them go.

The thing that you're not letting click with you is even in the golden world where every invest claim gets a result and posts said result. . .now what? I doubt we have a claim that's as simple as getting a guilty and I would bet my butt that there's no cop. It's nothing, it legit does not help the gamestate at all. What fantasy world are you trying to make up? All the invest claims are doing is giving people another day.

Sure, if you want to argue Pooky isn't a wolf I'm all ears but all you have done is link a game to me and said "no Pooky isn't scummy" that isn't a defense, that's a difference in opinion, you aren't trying to prove anything right now despite the fact you're trying to dam me and Titus for it.

[MariaR]

I mean let’s look at the “case”

On the scum side we have “bad” play/“voting”

On the good side we have
— Collaborating with town
— Confirmed inno
— Precrumbed role
— Scum attempting to eliminate a TPR before confirming other player’s alignment,

So why the hell is the Pooky wagon even a thing?

1) You mean what wolves want to do to appear innocent?
2) There is no confirmed ino
3) precrumbed roles are NAI with a scum lean because scum like to be consistent.

[MariaR]

Ah, yes I must be a wolf for having a difference in opinion on how to play the day phase. You've got me.

[MariaR]

Nothing you are saying is even factually correct at this point but I'll drop it given this conversation is a waste of my time.

[MariaR]

VCA with no wolf flips- I do not remember you being this impossible to work with but it has been years so that must be it. Your world you're trying to build is based off falsehoods and I'll let everyone else see it for themselves.
pedit: Congrats you figured it out we've won the game woooo

[MariaR]

If anyone else shows up and wants to talk lmk

[MariaR]

marcistar/MathBlade/Titus/Not_Mafia
Cape90/Big Chungus Gaming/furtiveglance
Enchant/Save The Dragons/MalcolmTucker
Toogeloo/PookyTheMagicalBear/Frogsterking
pedit: Mafia is that black and white you're totally right. Anything else?

[MariaR]

The one not listening is you because the moment I disagreed with one thing you said you voted me and started to plug your ears. You're not getting that you didn't show how Pooky was town you linked a game and then started saying Pooky is not scum on repeat. Sure, I can understand why you don't want a PR wagon because not everyone is going to agree with my theory on how the day should play out, but the fact you're living in a world where "scum want to push a pr nothing more nothing less." you're just not bending or trying to solve you're playing PR sim and pressing start.

This is also the first time you've asked me to unvote or cooperate on anything, I've given my reads so you can answer that instead of having a useless argument yet here we are.

[MariaR]

I don't think you get that your "facts" are not facts they're just opinions and just because some people disagree with them you're throwing a hissy fit and building a new world saying that person has to be scum because they're not listening to you. The person who isn't coopertaing is you. Not once did I say I wouldn't vote Frog and you'd know that.

Like, take a step back from the thread and look how much your ego posting right now.

[MariaR]

Do you think Toog and Frog are both bussing Pooky?

Maybe, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be. I find it semi unlikely Too/Pooky are together given how similar their play is but meh.
Pooky is a follower claim, if they went over it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What part of my reads don't match my play?

[MariaR]

Do you think Toog and Frog are both bussing Pooky?

Maybe, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be. I find it semi unlikely Too/Pooky are together given how similar their play is but meh.
Pooky is a follower claim, if they went over it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What part of my reads don't match my play?

Assume I am “ego posting” instead of my belief I am trying to stop town mistakes

Then scum have no reason to bus because the wagon won’t get to 8. They could sheep me wherever I am.

Yet scum have inexplicably chosen to bus here in your world.

You are literally arguing Toog claims invest and says he will die over Frog.

So if Frog is scum why would Toog claim to defend them like that as scum?

Your reads and play look like a conglomeration of common scumreads versus thought out ones.

Actions speak a lot louder than words. You can claim you'll do X but a lot of time people don't follow through with it. Why do scum bus? Why not? People bus for no reason this site. You're not giving me a reason on why they wouldn't bus here to get cred. They won't expect it to go over or get cred? Like, do you see the issue here.

There's always a reason to bus and no reason isn't a valid argument.

[MariaR]

Let me phrase this another way:

If you were told half the scum were on a wagon before the midway point without a guilty, would you think the wagon was on scum or town?

Obviously, this is factor based. If there is no large counter wagon and it's one main wagon? Scum.
If there's a counter wagon in place and it's some super important PR? Town.

But this is all based on a blank world with no factors in place.

[MariaR]

Do you think Toog and Frog are both bussing Pooky?

Maybe, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be. I find it semi unlikely Too/Pooky are together given how similar their play is but meh.
Pooky is a follower claim, if they went over it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What part of my reads don't match my play?

Assume I am “ego posting” instead of my belief I am trying to stop town mistakes

Then scum have no reason to bus because the wagon won’t get to 8. They could sheep me wherever I am.

Yet scum have inexplicably chosen to bus here in your world.

You are literally arguing Toog claims invest and says he will die over Frog.

So if Frog is scum why would Toog claim to defend them like that as scum?

Your reads and play look like a conglomeration of common scumreads versus thought out ones.

Actions speak a lot louder than words. You can claim you'll do X but a lot of time people don't follow through with it. Why do scum bus? Why not? People bus for no reason this site. You're not giving me a reason on why they wouldn't bus here to get cred. They won't expect it to go over or get cred? Like, do you see the issue here.

There's always a reason to bus and no reason isn't a valid argument.

I literally just did.

It’d be infinitely easier to sheep the “wrong” loud Townie.

They’re not.

There’s your reason. They could literally follow on any other wagon or me.

You mean. . .vote me like people have been trying to do the past few day phases?

[MariaR]

Follower is not very high on the important PR tier list *shrug*

If you'd rather vote Frog I'm not gonna say no.

[MariaR]

I still don't believe everyone is telling the truth but hey we've taken up 2 pages so I'ma go to bed

VOTE: Frog

[MariaR]

What the fuck happened while I was gone

[MariaR]

What the fuck happened while I was gone

Tldr
Furtive claimed VT
Frog claimed rolecop with result Furtive is Joat with RB Alien and tracker
For some reason furtive isn’t already hammered

Wow look it's the roleblock to counter all the invests

VOTE: Furtive

[MariaR]

@MariaR, How would you take this post by furtiveglance?

Eh. joke post probably I still think the role itself is near damning.

[MariaR]

Oh my god these are the top 2 wagons? I didn't know Christmas came early

[MariaR]

Obv mafia 1 dead
VOTE: Toogeloo
Next.

[MariaR]

Ngl I started TRing Frog but just didn't say anything cause I wanted people to think I'd push them. Unlucky that they died but that makes me think someone's role would out them as a wolf.

Think I'm voting in Save/MT/Too

[MariaR]

Time for wait for results woo

[MariaR]

VOTE: BCG

[MariaR]

I have arrived

Hey Marci, want to break down the game for me?

People think the game is solved wooo (B

[MariaR]

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

[MariaR]

Forgot I was in this game but there's nothing happening. Like, we have nothing to go off of just vote and let's move on.

[MariaR]

If toog is mafia, I am just suspecting people that don't try day 1 only to actually become helpful day 2. Happened with Pooky after all. Not interested in exploring that until later

You mean the 2 people who voted together all the time and didn't try day 1 are prob mafia? Gasp.

[MariaR]

Titus villa John could go over and prob wolf

[MariaR]

Too has done nothing to show he's a villager besides say "I interected with Pooky" when they voted with Pooky all of D1 and gave their vote away to do nothing. Like, they're not a villager lol

[MariaR]

I'm sad this game turned into mech city over mafia and that's why I'm basically sitting here and waiting.

[MariaR]

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

zzz

[MariaR]

Can we not blow our last miselimination on obvious town that wagoned Pooky?

<3

[MariaR]

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

[MariaR]

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

Then join me on Luke.

VOTE: Luke

say less

[MariaR]

Hey Math feel free to join us on the correct wagon or vote Too that's a good one as well.

Not the person who pushed and voted wolves wooo

[MariaR]

That seems incorrect. Maria and I had a big fight about Pooky scum.

Ironically we were both pushing scum correctly.

Yeah, I see it further down the iso, after you were pushing to spare Pooky. Prior to that, there wasn't any case building.

The issue I have is how little presence Maria has had, and they've attacked myself and every one of my town reads outside of Pooky, all of which have flipped town, all while maintaining a near invisible presence in the game.

It smells off.

None of what you're saying happened but keep going.

[MariaR]

I could't post today, because of insomnia. In bad sense.

For now:
Math/Titus most likely different alignments. Very unlikely both scum, likely one-one evil, very unlikely both town (but i don't really see team in VTs)
Remaining teammate depends on who actually, will look carefully when i sleep

Talk to me how you're getting TvS on Titus/Math?

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:

oh shit we're playing mafia and not mech city I'm now interested in the game give me a bit

[MariaR]

Toog finally started playing the game after 132 pages and I got to say I like what I see, but if I take in their read on Cape plus my own early game read on Cape that would make 1 of Titus/Math wolf here but to be honest out of all the given posting Luke is the only slot in the game I'm not townreading and would like to vote there. I'm not really gonna fight the Titus votes, because I do agree that all these invest claims seems a bit too much for my liking and that's legit the reason we got rid of the jailkeeper/alien.

[MariaR]

Like, I don't think the team is exactly Toog/Cape so I'm fine with calling Cape a villager and putting that away for now.
Enchant I...find that role strange but Isis would do that tbh and they had villagery moments before.
Toog is finally playing mafia.
Math vs Titus felt really villagery to me before.

I get nothing from Luke slot here

[MariaR]

tbh the worst thing about Enchant is they have the worst VCA of the entire thread

[MariaR]

your votes suck the most.

[MariaR]

MariaR, can you stop please? Enchant's vote history is not bad

It is, but I never said bad=scum

[MariaR]

I cannot believe you people decided to vote the townist player in the game while I was g-

no wait, I do believe it.

[MariaR]

I'm like pretty sure it's Luke/Enchant and I'm prob voting Luke today

[MariaR]

@Cape
@Math

Ready to listen and vote the wolves just lmk

[MariaR]

I'm like pretty sure it's Luke/Enchant and I'm prob voting Luke today

@Cape
@Math

Ready to listen and vote the wolves just lmk

I was already leaning Maria as one of the two based on the Toog scum read there and because I was town reading both Math and Enchant before Elo started.

And this feels like Maria+Enchant to me.

Not alienating either of Math or Cape by calling them scum, and only needs one of them to vote me to win.

The hard setup is extremely obvious here tbh

[MariaR]

Math you should know I'm a good enough wolf player that I never NK Toog here the person who was suspecting me the most that's stupid.

[MariaR]

Is it just gonna be we vote off Enchant and then Cape dies and I'm at f3 with Luke who I wanted to vote before and Math cause lol.

Hey Enchant if you vote Luke I won't vote you.

[MariaR]

If you're a villager you need my vote to survive so go ahead and vote Luke.

[MariaR]

I am the person responsible for getting Pooky out of this game and tried many times.
BCG tried (and didn't) pocket me all of D1 you can read that for yourself.
There is no world where I NK the person who has wanted my head for days, that's the biggest red flag in history and Luke's "OMG UNVOTE" performative crap comes from wolf 9/10 times.
pedit: Because you had no problem fast voting before I don't see wy now there's an issue?

[MariaR]

Yall don't get to just run over obv town Titus when were both suspecting Luke then come into today like "oh yeah let's ignore that"

[MariaR]

lol

[MariaR]

Too late B)

[MariaR]

More confident on Luke so this is just an lol for me but I guess I should just put my foot in my mouth huh

[MariaR]

I think Enchant's vote record is too bad for me to reconsider tbh and if they're a villager uh. . .get good or something like that B)

[MariaR]

God both Math and Enchant tried to save Pooky ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[MariaR]

In the later days you didn’t have vigor

You shoulda been “yo I was proven right” and picked another player

But you’ve been quiet as fuck. Why?

Because we were eating ourselves alive

The answer to this is none of that it's called: IRL shit plus the game stopped being a game of mafia it became a game of mech city and since I had irl stuff going on, I had. . .no interest in joining in.

[MariaR]

Math if you're a villager you've played this game wrong, going after villager after villager. And no, as a wolf I do not bus Pooky like that ever because it's unneeded and I hate bussing that serves little to no point. I'm not the wolf that was meant to go deep if I am because I was busy.

Plus, we haven't played in years if I get a wolf right yes I keep going after people I suspect but I'm not about to go "Yes follow me or you're stupid" that's not how I work, I'm willing to relook at the game but just because people want to cling to year long meta and get it wrong? By all means.

I still think it's Luke and Enchant but from the sounds if it even if I vote right I just go to F3 with Luke and Math and hard lose.

[MariaR]

Cape get in here and convince them I'm a villager ty you just saw my wolf game and should know this isn't how I play <3

[MariaR]

what do you think of what just happened with Luke and Enchant literally right above this post?

Besides the fact it looked performative and an overreaction? Math said you and Luke were both online so it can't be you, and I don't think it's Math+Enchant when I'm begging to vote Luke so that would leave yourself but tbh if you're a wolf I don't think I have the chops to get you exe'd anyway.

[MariaR]

Maria quick question, what happened between the first readslist and you voting BCG?

When you take a step back it's really easy to tell who is trying to pocket you vs who isn't and it didn't take long for me to see BCG was pocketing me. Esp when Frog is a villager.

[MariaR]

Out of literally everyone Enchant, I have been the only person that has voiced a lean towards Math and not you

You can try to convince me on why it's Math/Luke and not Enchant/Luke sure.

I think the main reason it isn't is because they have the same claim tbh

[MariaR]

Sorry why it isn't a bus*

Like I don't think this is a SvS bus.

[MariaR]

omg I get to elim mafia and MB dies in the night? Win win

[MariaR]

No wait, Cape will die and then Math will be like "CAN'T SEE WHY I LIVED" *Votes Maria*

[MariaR]

I don't believe you for a single but we'll reach that bridge when we cross it.

Don't know why Luke isn't freaking out when they've said they wanna vote Enchant and Cape wants to vote Math making me conf town