hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

[Lukewarm]

I have arrived

Hey Marci, want to break down the game for me?

[Lukewarm]

Save The Dragons (2):

MathBlade, MalcolmTucker

Rude

[Lukewarm]

Sorry, my roommate was in a car accident this morning. Might be a bit before I actually get caught up.

I'm a VT

[Lukewarm]

I have arrived

Hey Marci, want to break down the game for me?

People think the game is solved wooo (B

What's the solve?

You worded this as "people" think that, do you also think it is solved

[Lukewarm]

Since Titus isn’t saying her check, I would say NM let’s do
If BCG flips scum StD
If BGC flips town then Marci or Std or Titus your choice

Just let me know which before EoD

So your solve is BCG+me +1

or

Marci+Titus+Me

If so, your solve is wrong. But also, if I am in both solves, why are you advocating for BGC to go first instead of aiming for me today

[Lukewarm]

I was asking Math, because it was his solve.

Just read back a page and saw he is sheeping NM, who is apparently a vig who shot pooky?

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: StD

Also you are aiming for me lol

[Lukewarm]

So we have two claimed protectives in a game with a vig, so you (math) think one of them is scum?

[Lukewarm]

I think you misread something I said Titus, but sure.

[Lukewarm]

I'm looking for the claims but struggling to find chungus

Found marcis tho

even night combined doctor tracker,

[Lukewarm]

I found it in a math blade post

Loyal bg

my results useless

but yes u did visit pooky

So the track result that marci is claiming is that chungus visited pooky the night that pooky died?

[Lukewarm]

my results useless

but yes u did visit pooky

Or is this on NM?

[Lukewarm]

I'm reading things out of order on my phone and struggling to figure it out

Marci, who did you track?

[Lukewarm]

I did visit pooky.

i think you fail to connect the dots of frogster's flip

Did he show up as a protective on your vouyer result?

If yes, isn't he clear?

If no, isn't he guilty?

[Lukewarm]

Wait, if he is loyal does he visit and his action fail? Or does he never visit?

[Lukewarm]

Asking mod

[Lukewarm]

I am a VT, so I don't have e shots.

I replaced std not chungus

[Lukewarm]

I am a VT, so I don't have e shots.

I replaced std not chungus

math seems to think 54667776567 invests can co exist but 2 protectives cant
i think is why he has poe of either me or chungus

but i tr xhungus T_T i dont think they were playing me like a violin at all..

Can someone do a claims list? How many invest do we actually have claimed?

[Lukewarm]

you also said furtives role makes sense for scum to have but look where that wound u up

It absolutely did. It was still the right play to elim furtive because of that and lying. It’s not like I was alone in saying it either. Given the same facts I’d do it again too.

and you dont pause to think

furtives role makes sense as scum yet hes town
so maybe the same thing applies to others?

geez for someone who keeps trying to take mechanical lead you sure are shit at it

so... why use mechanics if ur so bad at it? u should try focusing on reading ppl for what they've done I think ull have higher chances of succeeding then

I kinda doubt scum marci responds this way to math correctly saying her claim is fake based on the set up.

So if we are between marci and bcg, I would lean bcg - but also have not gotten to the pooky iso yet like toog asked. Just based on these marci posts really. Probably won't get there today either, probably tomorrow.

[Lukewarm]

We have a claimed rolecop and a flipped rolecop?

Did Titus claim before or after frog claimed/died?

[Lukewarm]

Am interested in more info on enchants claim too. Has he said more then what is in that post?

[Lukewarm]

PookyTheMagicalBear - 2-Shot Follower
Spoiler: Acts
N1: Titus. Result: investigative Action
N2: Unknown

Any idea how follower Pooky would have known Titus was specifically an invest?

[Lukewarm]

PookyTheMagicalBear - 2-Shot Follower
Spoiler: Acts
N1: Titus. Result: investigative Action
N2: Unknown

Any idea how follower Pooky would have known Titus was specifically an invest?

Followers see the action type of who they follow.

Oh, my brain read follower as tracker

[Lukewarm]

We have a claimed rolecop and a flipped rolecop?

Did Titus claim before or after frog claimed/died?

Frog claimed in thread
Titus claimed after that but didn’t act as CC.

Worth of note she hasn’t confirmed her RC claim. Only that she can check for vanilla/not vanilla

If she is actually claiming role cop, then forcing her to target bcg/marci should tell us a lot right?

If marci is actually a doc, it seems like if she was scum she would have always protected pooky if NM announced he was gonna target him, right?

If she is actually claiming like vanilla cop, then obviously not as helpful

[Lukewarm]

We have a claimed rolecop and a flipped rolecop?

Did Titus claim before or after frog claimed/died?

Frog claimed in thread
Titus claimed after that but didn’t act as CC.

Worth of note she hasn’t confirmed her RC claim. Only that she can check for vanilla/not vanilla

If she is actually claiming role cop, then forcing her to target bcg/marci should tell us a lot right?

If marci is actually a doc, it seems like if she was scum she would have always protected pooky if NM announced he was gonna target him, right?

If she is actually claiming like vanilla cop, then obviously not as helpful

She’s claiming rolecop.

Marci had full claimed. Checking someone who is not full claimed then she hand shakes part and the other person confirms is the only way to confirm.

Otherwise Titus just goes “yep matches the claim” and we don’t know

I think that you are thinking about it to test Titus, but I was thinking about it to test Marci.

[Lukewarm]

Am interested in more info on enchants claim too. Has he said more then what is in that post?

Yes.

My role is also doubled.

In your thing it says "no action," does that mean you did not act or that you have not revealed your results?

Because if you are one of the claimed invests (Tracker, Follower, Rolecop, Voyeur) I don't get why you would not have acted yet.

[Lukewarm]

How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?

And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.

I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?

[Lukewarm]

Okay, I read through Pooky's iso, and my feeling was that he is not partnered with Marci or Toog (Or Frog or greeting, but I saw that they flipped already lol).

Marci because it was his opening push on Day 2

I am currently voting for Marci cuz she isn't reacting like she does when she's town. Her responses are too nonchalant like she is trying to play things cool.

This is probably the most put together reason behind any of his votes other then greeeting/Alisae day 1 and then Frog end of day 2, and there was steady suspicion on Marci during day 1, into opening up pushing her.

With Toog, his interactions look more like pocketing attempts then partner interactions.

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I was surprised by Pooky's town case on Math with 1460 and (more detailed) 1626

lol mathblade town for the nonstop spam

This is a weird place and reason for pooky to drop this town read because we just walked out of a game where math repped in as scum, spammed the shit out of the game, and pooky was screaming for his head. This seems like an easy place for pooky to claim it as "this is Math in Lost 2.0"

I saw that he was run up day 2, so gonna try to look over that build up / break down.

[Lukewarm]

so whatd u decide bestie

That was not a going to right now, that was going to next time I get a moment.

Life has been busy last few days, and if I had known I probably would not have joined, but :shrug:

Looking back now actually. Who do you think it is?

[Lukewarm]

Only got through part of the day, did not even get to the pooky wagon yet, but I am kinda at (unsorted within tiers)

Town
Not_Mafia

Town Lean
Toogeloo
MathBlade
marcistar

Null:Town
MariaR

Null
Enchant

scum lean
MalcolmTucker
Cape90
Titus
Big Chungus Gaming

Cape and Malcolm not together.

Spoiler: Luke's thoughts

VOTE: frog

ok just policy this

OMGUS amogus.

You:
1) scum flailed
2) trolled in a disruptive way
3) made weird votes
4) were opportunistic
5) gave me bad vibes

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.

I don't think it's passive at all. I'm known for a player who frustratingly and regularly pauses when it comes to reading others at times. I'm still running through the thread since I'd been gone but I'm genuinely intrigued to know what you think - Kitty outlines a pretty blatant, good case on BCG here, so I'm unsure if the kill is a bit obvious coming from scum, because eliminating someone who suspects you/has caught you is something scum are known for sometimes wanting to avoid.

Put it this way - I'm not sure you could read back posts from both me and BCG and see us as likely being paired.

I kinda hate this series of posts from Malcolm. First stating that Chungus would not kill Kitty night 1, because Kitty called him scum Day 1 which is pretty silly on its own, but when called out for it jumped to "but are we paired?" Which is a pretty wild place to jump to

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.

What's IIoA?

Information instead of analysis. MT doesn't say anything about what he thinks the night kill actually reflects, he just points out that it's a factor and leaves it hanging as some kind of implied counterpoint against Kitty's case being "spot on."

Pedit

I don't like him going after Charloux here either.

VOTE: Malcolm

I want Big Chungus dead D3 especially if this flips scum.

My gut reaction is also a bad one to these posts of Malcolm. 'We obviously aren't paired' makes me think 'we distanced really well' and I thought Malcolm was scum yesterday as well. However my other scumread was wrong. I may be in over my head here. Sometimes it's good to let the game play out a bit and the scummers will kind of sink to the bottom.

Anyway, I'll join you for now because I gotta be right on something

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

aye furtive saw it too

I hate Cape's 1269/1270 defense of Malcolm, acting like it is impossible for a town player to see Malcolm's comments as possibly suspicious

Spoiler:

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.

What's IIoA?

Information instead of analysis. MT doesn't say anything about what he thinks the night kill actually reflects, he just points out that it's a factor and leaves it hanging as some kind of implied counterpoint against Kitty's case being "spot on."

Pedit

I don't like him going after Charloux here either.

VOTE: Malcolm

I want Big Chungus dead D3 especially if this flips scum.

your voting malcolm after all that?

lol maybe you are just mafia

people are scumreading malcolm at this SOD of all SOD's he has easily had the towniest start so far to the day like ??????????

disappointed if one of frog/furtive are town

and i think at least 1 is

[/spoil/er]

Which, I thought his entrance day 2 was suspicious (and both people he called out are conf. town too)

And then just later Malcolm takes furtive's joke post 1279 seriously, and frames it as scummy

immediately begins to sort of bargain with other players wanting to vote from them

Which is then mirrored by Cape

In post 1279, furtiveglance wrote:
Please don't do this. I can move my vote. I can change!


This response to me felt weird, like are you TMIing me as town?

During this time, I saw them both lightly defending Pooky, but did not grab those quotes.


I don't like either of their positioning here, but also don't think that they are ever scum together.

Struggling to figure out which I think is more likely, because I hated Malcolm's posting start of day, but Cape's posting came after which makes more sense if he is mirroring Malcolm.

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MariaR's 1307 does not feel like something you say about a partner

I found myself nodding along to Math's 1394 about Titus, and then in the next several titus posts she just seems to be shit stirring with Mathblade, not actually trying to sort him.

I liked marci's 1435

Marci accused me of going for an easy read in Maria but I'd argue I put out a reasonable and logical town defence of STD who was accumulating a fair few scumreads at the time.

I may be reading this wrong, but it feels like he is saying "Marci scum read me for having an easy scum read, but ignored the town read I dropped on STD" which is a weird defense. because having a good town read has little influence on having a bad scum read? Like town reads are easier for scum lol. It also feels like it implies that if he was scum, he would have just scum read STD, which ignores the possibility that STD slot could be scum. Feels like it preflipped my slot town, or tmi'ed it that way.

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I hit a BCG check in, and was uninspired (wanted to kill my slot lmao) -- I also saw someone say that it was Koba, and I am used to Koba being way more invested in solving. Like actually yelling at us for killing scum too fast, because he wasn't able to scum hunt as thoroughly as he wanted to lol

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[Lukewarm]

Might be down to kill BCG just because its lower down, and the slot is not getting replaced x.x

[Lukewarm]

I claim infinite shot hug deployed and deploy them all on Titus.

Will also be slow to respond work fires.

I also demand an infinite shot hug pr be targeted at me, thank you very much

[Lukewarm]

Also Titus, i hope what ever your dealing with is not too serious and resolves quickly <3

[Lukewarm]

Sidenote: One of the reasons why I don't play on here is this shit that happens in MS games, the fucking like 9 substitutions this game? Are we serious? Like even Toog with their day 1 gameplay could avoid this. It's just bad for the gamestate, hate to say it, and I never wanted to bring this up, but it sure is annoying. It makes me not even wanna try

Replacements are not ideal, but I will say that this many replacements has not been my overall experience on site. Like 2 is fairly common, but I think this is like the 3rd game I have ever existed in with this many replacements

[Lukewarm]

Cape, what is your current read on Malcolm?

[Lukewarm]

wild nobodies doing shit

clearly scum comfy

Yeah, this game seems kinda dead.

I'm down to vote out either of Malcolm or Chungus atm

VOTE: Chungus

This is the one Not_Mafia wants, right?

[Lukewarm]

I don't think Chungus and Pooky's interactions feel like theater. Has anyone else iso'd Pooky and disagrees with that?

I did an iso of pooky, and did not notice anything discounting the possibility. Are you talking about something in particular

[Lukewarm]

The main issue I have is i don’t think BGC is scum.

We should finish mass claim.

Who are we waiting on?

Enchant seems to have only partially claimed. Toog was not on the master list

So just the two of them foe a full mass claim?

[Lukewarm]

I'll try door nimber 2

VOTE: Malcolmtucker

[Lukewarm]

I am std slot, I am a VT

[Lukewarm]

I'll try door nimber 2

VOTE: Malcolmtucker

Your vote on me here doesn't feel particularly consistent with some of your posts from before? Feels a bit opportunistic, like you're realising I could be a convenient elimination to take some heat away from your slot which was under pressure before STD dropped out.

Much inconsistent
Such opportunistic

Spoiler:

scum lean
MalcolmTucker
Cape90
Titus
Big Chungus Gaming

Yeah, this game seems kinda dead.

I'm down to vote out either of Malcolm or Chungus atm

VOTE: Chungus

This is the one Not_Mafia wants, right?

I'll try door nimber 2

VOTE: Malcolmtucker

Like you were in my scum pile, and then when I looked at my scum pile, I saw that my town reads were interested in BCG (NM) and you (Marci), so was willing to back either option to progress the game.

My other town reads shot down BCG (Toog and MB)

So here we are.

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You were in my scum pile because when I read part of Day 2, your defense when Frog called out your bcg's town logic, your response was "but are we partnered" and when Marci called out your MariaR read, your response was "but what about my STD read."

Both defenses feel like they make more sense coming from a point of view of "but what about these other, unrelated things that I did that I thought would make people think that I was town" instead of "oh, you think me doing this is scummy, well you are wrong because I did it / thought it and am town."

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ngl, you calling it inconsistent without backing it up at all, sure doesn't make me think you are less likely to be scum, because this just seems like shade for the sake of shade.

[Lukewarm]

Luke seems town so far on their play. Didn't like BCG but suppose it's possible they largely just got disengaged given the replace out.

You called my play town until I voted you, and you called my vote on you inconsistent based on nothing

[Lukewarm]

Do we tell NM who to shot

Marci.

You gonna finish your claim?

It seems like since he is scum reading BCG, that is probably where he is gonna shoot.

[Lukewarm]

why do u need to confgirm nm again?

I think the point is to know : did they live because of the disloyal mod or because a scum doc was on them

Tests the target, not NM

[Lukewarm]

Do we tell NM who to shot

Marci.

You gonna finish your claim?

It seems like since he is scum reading BCG, that is probably where he is gonna shoot.

Enchant already said not a vig?

Was previously discussed Marci?

If NM goes BCG I need to know so I change and we are on the same target

Never said enchant was a vig, I was talking about who NM was gonna target.

NM wanted bcg dead today, it didn't happen. Seems like he would want to target bcg tonight.


But it's really up to him I guess

[Lukewarm]

Looks like that is hammer.

I feel like the plan should have a "if malclolm flips scum X, if they flip town Y" for the targeting, but it might be too late to coordinate. Like, Marci is never scum with Malcolm, so if Malcolm does flip scum, it seems less optimal to have every pr in the game on her

[Lukewarm]

Forgot I was in this game but there's nothing happening. Like, we have nothing to go off of just vote and let's move on.

Maria also seems less likely to be scum if Malcolm flips scum. Feels like she would be more aware of her buddy getting hammered lol

[Lukewarm]

Oh shit, OK if I still have a shot I'll target Marci.

Didn't we establish that Chungus used his PR on Pooky?

[Lukewarm]

Marci can be one shot BP.

This false godfather clear wouldn't happen in a normal game. You're reaching.

I hate that you're just being opposite for the sake of being opposite. A rationally thinking mechanics based player would say proving Johnny and Luke/Malcolm is the right manuever because then it PoEs the game to you, me, marci, luke/malcolm.

The problem is you won't do that because you want every exit hatch open.

Titus, I am reading this, and it sounds like you are saying that the current PoE is You, Math, Marci, Me, Malcolm, and Johnny.

And you wanted to kill me to day, and clear johnny tonight - Which takes two of those people out of the POE, to end up with a final PoE of You, Math, Marci, and Malcolm.

What I am not following is why that path is strictly better, to the point of you and Math fighting over it, if Math wants to do Marci? Like, that also pulls two people out of the PoE that you seem to be presenting since you have every player being discussed as an option in your PoE to start with, right?

[Lukewarm]

Luke seems town so far on their play. Didn't like BCG but suppose it's possible they largely just got disengaged given the replace out.

You called my play town until I voted you, and you called my vote on you inconsistent based on nothing

Your play alone since you started hadn't been scummy but STD's was incredibly scummy before they replaced out. I don't think it's at all beyond your ability to replace into a slot and come across as quite townie in a scum slot.

You still never even tried to show what you were calling inconsistent with me.

You called my position around you inconsistent without actually showing where you were claiming that was, when I called you out for it, your response was to walk it back and just call STD scummy?

[Lukewarm]

We get confirmed matching slignments rather than clearing someone we should already know is town.

I agree marci looks townie to me, so "don't use a clear on someone I think is town" makes sense, but then you had Marci in your PoE list, and that is where you lost me.

[Lukewarm]

Okay, reading through the night actions.

Enchant saw that there was 1 invest on Marci. Math saw that there was 1 invest on Marci. Titus saw that Enchant is a night 3 voyeur.

Enchant forced all of those claims to come out in the order that proved Titus is a role cop, and proved that Math is a Voyuer. And because of titus's role, enchant's role is also confirmed.

Math: Vouyer
Titus: Rolecop
Enchant: Vouyer

All confirmed, (unless specifically Enchant+Titus scum team together I guess)

Not Mafia agreed to try and kill of Marci, and she did not die, so she is confirmed town, right?

The only PR claim that is not a confirmed PR then is Johnny now? IF we don't kill him today, then Titus should be on him, right

6 invest + a vig seems like too much (Math, titus, enchant, marci, Frog, furtive), so I gotta believe that there is scum in there. Looking at the list, Titus would be my best guess. Pooky did not look partnered with Math, and he has been putting in the work to create clears, and the way that enchant forced out the claims today was pretty impressive. Most pro-town play I think I have ever seen from enchant actually lol. Marci was not killed by NM

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I am down for either Johnny or Titus for today

[Lukewarm]

IF we don't kill him today, then Titus should be on him, right

Wait, forget this if we are killing one of them today lmao

[Lukewarm]

Lol Cape's scum.

Moving on.

Titus, are you just calling everyone who suspects you scum?

[Lukewarm]

Enchant
JohnnyFarrar
Lukewarm
Cape90
Titus
Toogeloo
MathBlade
marcistar
MariaR

With 16 original players that's, what, 5 scum? 4? So we might be in Elo right now?

Ok I'll start with Enchant

I saw Math comment on the alignment split too on current page -- the alignment split is mod confirmed

there are 12 town and 4 mafia.

With pooky out, that means there are 3 scum left

[Lukewarm]

About Enchant, they hammered the vote on Malcolm over 2 days in advance. Town love playing anti-town so my money is on Enchant just being town for that reason, but theoretically, sounds like a silly reason to clear someone.

Have you ever played with Enchant before? He hammers almost every wagon that hits e-1, I have seen him describe himself as "like not_mafia" lol

So, hammers from him are pretty nai

That being said, I feel like the way he used his PR and took charge at start of day to confirm his, maths, and titus's roles looked pretty town motivated, so :shrug:

[Lukewarm]

Suspicion: Titus was scared of a guilty on Maria. Seemed a bit of subconscious.
Prior suspicion: Titus was not a rolecop.
Fear: Titus put together about Enchant having a double and used my result to guess n3 voyeur on Enchant and Maria did the kill.

It feels unlikely that Titus just guessed Night 3 Vouyer, when all she would have had to go on was him claiming to be a duplicate invest and having a guilty at start of day -- especially since Vouyer is less likely to ever find a guilty then tracker, so that would seem like the more likely guess, or at least a valid guess -- making guessing at all pretty risky.

After getting Enchant right, I feel like Titus is most likely a rolecop, regardless of her alignment

[Lukewarm]

I feel like Titus's positioning around Johnny feels off in general.

Like, she was fighting against Johnny's elim yesterday, and pushing for mine

No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

But is now trying to set it up such that if Johnny is killed and flips scum, then she gets her preferred elimination.

If we do lim Johnny and it flips scum, I want Luke tomorrow. No questions asked.

Like, she is simultaneously trying to keep johnny from going over, but also setting up for a johnny scum flip.

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And there is her interactions with Johnny getting the shots wrong.

Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Remaining?

immediately catching that it was not what we all thought it was before the claim, but then just not actually seeming to care, and instead start trying to play around him having his shot and where it could go, instead of focusing on the discrepency, and sorting that before trying to use it.

If BcG has his shot, then he should be the one to be confirmed. We can confirm BcG as the same or differing alignment as someone else. Math can voyeur it.

And in a scum!johnny, scum!Titus world, this idea is to say that johnny is targetting me with a loyal ability, and then have Math vouyer me. Once johnny does not show up as visiting me - johnny claims that he did not get a result, and together they get to say that that is a guilty on me.

Yeah, johnny dies next, but after his flubbed claim, forcing a miselim with him before he goes down seems like the strategic choice.

Johnny is likely a flubbed the claim scenario and thus must be eliminated before elo.

And even when you get to her positioning today, she is saying that because his claim did not line up he needs to die before elo, but like also, today is the day before elo, and she is not actually trying to kill him, or push the idea that he needs to die, which makes this line feel hollow.

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Like regardless of the situation, she is just trying to force out a miselim because we are close to elo at this point

[Lukewarm]

It feels like there is a pretty solid consensus on johnny and titus + 1

Like, that is my solve, maths solve, Toogs solve, and cape's solve, right?

Maria and Marci and Enchant, where do each of you stand on Johnny and Titus?

[Lukewarm]

Which does seem worrying since Lukewarm has quite literally suspected me since he came into the game and Titus definitely seems like they have sights set on me and by day 3, I sure wasn't that towny and I was a force behind all 3 misvotes.

This feels like you are saying that I was saying that Titus is gunning for your miselim, but I was saying that she is trying to get mine, seeing as how I am consistently in her solve, and the +1 around me shifts based on who she needs to discredit at the time.

Plus the way it looked like she was setting up for a false guilty on me yesterday

Lol Cape's scum.

Moving on.

Titus, are you just calling everyone who suspects you scum?

Like this comment makes me rather paranoid

I mean, the timing behind

Spoiler:

Thinking about it, I suppose having 2 weakish town protectives makes a lot more sense then a full on rolecop and a partial rolecop

VOTE: Titus

While I haven't found Johnny to be particularly useful at all, Titus has seemingly an obvious agenda today in my view.

Lol Cape's scum.

Moving on.

Reminded me of her doing the same thing yesterday

Spoiler:

The more you beg the more I am convinced I am right.

The more you beg the more I am convinced I am right.

Math and Luke. Sign sealed and delivered.

Which was immediately calling the people calling her scum, scum back. Like immediately.

[Lukewarm]

grr

Marci, do you have something to share with the class?

[Lukewarm]

It feel like if we keep this day going, it is just going to turn into Titus and Math wall posting at one another for several irl days, and then we still kill johnny.

I say we just skip past that lol

VOTE: johnny

[Lukewarm]

I wish I knew if Johnny's claim on one shot loyal BG is verifiable since I was just one-shot loyal BG, but I literally went on town and not mafia

I think the only thing close to it being verifiable would be to force titus to target johnny, but if Titus is scum it does not mean very much, and would require both of them to be allowed to live through the day

[Lukewarm]

What benifit of visiting marci who is most likely not lying about role (due being town), instead of anyone else?

Scum are likely going to kill Marci. Barring a ninja mod that will count as a visit.
Titus visits Marci. This is a visit.

Voyeur sees all visits.

If Titus is a combined X + rolecop then I see that as a voyeur as Titus would rolecop and X.
If the scum killing is combined killer and Y then I see X and Y as actions.

It’s a way to figure out a way to trust Titus. Between Johnny’s likely red flip and if any “extras” tells me who scum are. If there happens to be another doubled up protective who saves Marci even better.

I don’t trust her to tell the truth on Johnny as I think they are aligned. Going with the Titus checks Johnny and I voyeur Johnny means that Titus says whatever she wants and we likely elim town today and then have to elim scum only the rest of the game.

Math, I am not sure why this is better then forcing the same on a slot other then Marci?

If we kill johnny, and he is scum, there are two scum left. You force Titus to target the same person as you, letting you see her invest -- and then the other scum kills.

What part of this makes it need to be on Marci, who you said is likely the elim? Couldn't you double up on cape, or Toog, or Maria, or me to verify a vanilla claim instead?

I am not really sure what you are trying to get doubling up with her at all, other then checking if she is a combined role, like how marci is a combined doctor/tracker, which you would get on any target, so long as you both announced who you would be on

[Lukewarm]

Extra scum visit Marci because unless Titus is multitasking Marci won’t die otherwise.

I can voyeur her somewhere else but it’s suboptimal as we expect scum to have two PRs. If Titus is town then we need what PR they are.

If we go somewhere else I have to decide between getting possible information on scum or if Titus is a rolecop.

If you and Titus as role cop and last scum as night kill are on Marci -- you get a result of invest + kill. And then you are looking to see if there is anything else that pops up, right?

But if you and Titus are on someone else --- you get invest, and then you are looking to see if there is anything else that pops up?

What is the scenario where the information that you get for being on Marci is better then the info you get for being on someone else? If their partner is combined kill+something other then kill that they must fire with their kill? That is the only thing I can think of, but I dont think that I have seen something like that in any game of mafia I have ever been in.

Is there another scenario you are trying to look into / rule out?

[Lukewarm]

First question: yes.

Then if “something else” comes up on the first case Titus then knows that there’s a scum PR that exists that did the kill. This means the vanillas did not do the kill that she already checked. It also leads towards a soft inno on the vanilla checks as if they had a vanilla kill they’d probably use it.

The “something else” just on Titus’s target that is not Marci means scum can kill with whoever and however they wish.

I was not really trying to argue with you here, I am just not really understanding.

Because if your interested in picking up if titus has two abilities, then that would happen on any target. So the bonus info you gain by being on Marci is only about their partner, which they just don't use unless they are a forced combined kill + something ability. So what I am not understanding is what result do you get that gives you actionable info?

-

Kill + 2 invests

?

• Even if the other scum is a combined night kill + invest, don't they just send that person there and not send Titus, meaning you never get this result

Kill + invest + protective

is nonsense.

Kill + invest + roleblock

?

It feels like you are saying, that targeting marci over a VT gives you the ability to check if titus's partner is exactly a combined killer + role blockers, which feels like such a narrow possibility

But, on the other hand, forcing Titus to visit a VT claim:
(hitting a townie) forces her to decide if she is going to confirm that person as a VT or fake a guilty
(hitting a non goon partner fake claiming a VT ) forces her to decide if she is going to lie to cover up her partner resulting in her immediate elim if that person dies before her or out her partner resulting in their immediate elim
(hitting a goon partner true claiming a VT) seems likely useless, as she just says they are a VT

This feels to me like it pushes Titus into more revealing situations then having her target Marci

And if we live in a world where Titus is town, then confirming a VT claim is actually more useful then confirming Marci who is likely the night kill, and will therefore flip

[Lukewarm]

Based on setup spec has to be Titus or MariaR plus one of the vanillas. Maybe even both.

I don’t see two shot follower + 1 shot BG against this amount of power.

Why is Maria pulled out of the Vanilla claims to get her spot next to Titus here?

[Lukewarm]

I am leaning pretty hard towards it being Titus, like ever since I got here it seemed like she has been trying to deflect wagons off of Johnny and onto me and johnny was scum.

And her just unflinchingly back at me sure is not doing anything to convince me otherwise.

I think that cape is unlikely to be partnered with titus, so seems likely to be Titus + [Maria/Toog]

[Lukewarm]

I have not voted anyone.

I saw Maria immediately sheep Titus, and then saw Toog split from Titus onto Maria, and I am kind of thinking about which one I think would be the more likely strategy. I intend to look back the two of them as well, but have not had time

[Lukewarm]

Toog's recent string of posts feels less like he could be aligned with Titus. Abandoning his Maria push and transitioning to Titus here does not seem like the play that he would make, when he could just hold onto the maria push hoping that. given cape's recent posting wrt to maria, by the end of the day cape could be convinced to join him there - and leave open the possiblity of transition to me as the day spread out.

Walking away from maria, while calling cape obviously definitely town feels like he is closing too many miselimination doors to be scum here.

Titus+MariaR is what I am thinking now.

Just got a chunk of free time, so gonna go do some isos. Should be around if anyone has questions.

[Lukewarm]

Toog's recent string of posts feels less like he could be aligned with Titus. Abandoning his Maria push and transitioning to Titus here does not seem like the play that he would make, when he could just hold onto the maria push hoping that. given cape's recent posting wrt to maria, by the end of the day cape could be convinced to join him there - and leave open the possiblity of transition to me as the day spread out.

Walking away from maria, while calling cape obviously definitely town feels like he is closing too many miselimination doors to be scum here.

just another example of you calling me a miselim when you have me in your POE...

This post is explicitly why I don't think that Toog is titus's partner lol

Thinking about that possible scum team, would make every slot other then Titus a miselim for him.

----

But also, I have not really scum read you since day 3. The more sure I have become that Titus is scum, the more I have started thinking you are town because I don't think that you and Titus are ever partnered

[Lukewarm]

Currently searching through chungus's iso for comments about toog and maria

Spoiler: MariaR

squinting pretty hard at the transistion from the two above, to here

preliminary Thoughts: at least one of maria/frog are mafia. Neri feels subdued but i wont push it just based on that bc i like them like this and prefer it that way

VOTE: frog

Also mariar is one of the best players of this game so the fact we have scumreads that align is a sign i think she is town between frog/maria

@std i think ur town but maria is srsly not the play here. Pls consider voting with me here: VOTE: frogster

Like he starts by saying one of them is scum, then says that Maria is likely the town "between frog/maria" which feels like it should mean he is trying to appear to still think that one of them is scum, because he is still tying them together. But despite that being his position, he then reached out reaching out directly to STD to keep him from voting Maria.

It feels like, if they were both town, this his goal would have been angling for both, saying there is scum inside one of them, so when one flips town he is set up to push the next. Instead he divested himself away from the scum read on maria by shielding her here. Once he did that Maria just kind of floats in his town reads from there

Toog

Comments on Toog are super sparce, and only time I see an alignment comment from him it is a "if frog scum, then toog town" so tying it to a townie feels like he is leaving himself open to what ever he needs to do wrt to toog in the future. Not geting strong feelings either way, just because he did not really talk about him enough for me to decern if he would or would not say X about a partner.

[Lukewarm]

Reopened Johnny's iso, and wow, johnny just... did not talk about anyone really.

He has a bad reaction to Enchant saying he has a guilty on him, like he is trying to figure out if it is a fake out or not.

Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Mal has votes because Mal didn’t play the way scum Titus expected

So he’s getting run up as a VT.

I meant if Enchant was claiming a guilty on me I'd expect a lot more votes in my direction. Or better yet, votes in Enchant's direction since I'm not actually guilty

Then falls into a line of "well, if the game is solved, then I don't gotta solve" and says nothing about anyone


Then when he could not coast on that, he made a showing that he was getting ready to go through isos one at a time, in order of the player list, but then gave up after literally doing just one (enchant) without even giving a read on him.

He was pretty actively not talking about literally anyone.

-----

Only thing I gathered here was not likely partnered with Enchant, because of the way he responded to the fake guilty, but otherwise nothing of substance here.

[Lukewarm]

Still feeling best about Titus + Maria

VOTE: Titus

Pedit: the AtE coming from Titus is something else

[Lukewarm]

I feel like Titus's positioning around Johnny feels off in general.

Like, she was fighting against Johnny's elim yesterday, and pushing for mine

No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

But is now trying to set it up such that if Johnny is killed and flips scum, then she gets her preferred elimination.

If we do lim Johnny and it flips scum, I want Luke tomorrow. No questions asked.

Like, she is simultaneously trying to keep johnny from going over, but also setting up for a johnny scum flip.

----

And there is her interactions with Johnny getting the shots wrong.

Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Remaining?

immediately catching that it was not what we all thought it was before the claim, but then just not actually seeming to care, and instead start trying to play around him having his shot and where it could go, instead of focusing on the discrepency, and sorting that before trying to use it.

If BcG has his shot, then he should be the one to be confirmed. We can confirm BcG as the same or differing alignment as someone else. Math can voyeur it.

And in a scum!johnny, scum!Titus world, this idea is to say that johnny is targetting me with a loyal ability, and then have Math vouyer me. Once johnny does not show up as visiting me - johnny claims that he did not get a result, and together they get to say that that is a guilty on me.

Yeah, johnny dies next, but after his flubbed claim, forcing a miselim with him before he goes down seems like the strategic choice.

Johnny is likely a flubbed the claim scenario and thus must be eliminated before elo.

And even when you get to her positioning today, she is saying that because his claim did not line up he needs to die before elo, but like also, today is the day before elo, and she is not actually trying to kill him, or push the idea that he needs to die, which makes this line feel hollow.

----

Like regardless of the situation, she is just trying to force out a miselim because we are close to elo at this point

Just gonna pull this up to today.

Titus spent multiple days trying to divert wagons off Johnny And her reaction to johnny's slip on how many shots he had does not make sense to come from someone actually interested in sorting johnny

[Lukewarm]

I mean, just look at how much effort Titus put into diverting the BCG / Johnny wagons

mostly aimed at swaying Math off of there.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

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vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

If we suppose that then, Frogsterking is almost certainly town.

I partially understand wanting to flip BCG regardless of if I am right or wrong for the VCA, but that's not evidence BCG is scum.

why what changed?

what makes it opportunistic? who else is coming after you right now?

Math pushes me as scum, MalcolmTucker is floating me being scum. Voting me gives you a place to hide and stir up drama.

I have been coordinating wagons to sort (see Pooky wagon) for the last few pages. You seem interested in forcing me v Math to continue when it's not productive.

StD voted BGC first before I replaced in.

Explain how StD is using me voting BGC to hide there?

That’s like ???

And he moved from BGC to you?

Your questions don't make any sense so I can't answer them.

BcG has nothing to do with my FoS on StD

BGC wagon is because the two dead town agree on it.
If another town dies and it tells me my reads wrong I change.

So basically you'll listen to no one on BcG unless they're dead?

Even if BCG is proven not a lurker?

@Enchant what would you do here?

@Math, I am unwilling to vote BcG or Frogsterking. Is there any room to work together? There's more than two scum.

@Enchant what would you do here?

@Math, I am unwilling to vote BcG or Frogsterking. Is there any room to work together? There's more than two scum.

Our pools just seem to be in complete disarray here.

I don’t see us working together until you explain why you don’t want to elim BGC.

I don't see a single decent reason to vote BCG beyond getting reactions which you're not helping with drowning out everyone else.

Doubly so when your biggest reason for voting is lurker which is patently false.

BCG is a strong TR of Frogsterking and he's my biggest TR.

I’d like to elim BGC and get commitments on who is investing who so I can voyeur and confirm which will leash the scum.

I'll investigate BcG if you leave him and Frogsterking be today. Let's do Malcolm.

I’d like to elim BGC and get commitments on who is investing who so I can voyeur and confirm which will leash the scum.

I'll investigate BcG if you leave him and Frogsterking be today. Let's do Malcolm.

That’s one commitment down.

Although I literally have no one I can elim if you suggest that so it’s down a vote because I literally cannot make a world without one of you three. I’ve been trying.

Like the odds of hitting town are astronomical.

That's because you're tunneled.

There's plenty of actual, viable suspects if you can separate from your conclusions and reset.

Look at the VCs supposing that BcG Frogsterking and I are town

Even if one of the three wagons is scum, there's no specific reason why BcG. My money is StD is the scum wagon.

However, it's day 2 and no mafia flip, so strongly prefer Malcolm. He's basic and never saw Star Wars.

I think her context makes her a fine rolecop claim but I really think that mass claim again solves this problem.

Then we decide a universal target to “cop” check as a thread.

No. You're supposing things to make her post less problematic just to get what you want.

I don't think letting BcG live means all invest claims die.

Can you just let people play?

That's not discussing my reads. Frankly, I see StD as scum in the VCA. He was an active poster before this. StD's reaction to the claims to say "That's a lot of claims" and dip.

I am sick of going around on BcG. Let's talk about other slots.

K, BcG claim wasn't what I was expecting. D1 play makes no sense. FoS BcG and Pooky now.

Let's lim Pooky. BcG will sort himself as a bodyguard claim.

.....

Ships passing in the night. Why do you think Frogsterking is ignoring the crumbs when he says BcG's claim makes him scummy?

We don't need you reposting the crumbs. We know what they are. It's your position that Frogsterking is ignoring stuff that makes no sense...

Spoiler:

[/spoil/er]

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

Let's look here first. Pooky's presence makes it less likely BCG is scum.

Spoiler:

[/spo/iler]

vote count 1.8 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

Enchant (2):

Cape90, furtiveglance

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

Titus

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• working up the vote count count

We have Frogsterking conftown, BCG likely town. What's the third wagon?

Spoiler:

[/spoi/ler]

vote count 2.6 !

PookyTheMagicalBear (5):

MariaR, Frogsterking, Big Chungus Gaming, Toogeloo, Titus

Titus (2):

Save The Dragons, Cape90

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

furtiveglance (1):

marcistar

Frogsterking (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Enchant

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

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• ba ba ba

Spoiler:

[/sp/oiler]

d2 final!

furtiveglance (8):

marcistar, MathBlade, Toogeloo, MariaR, Cape90, Titus, Enchant, Frogsterking

PookyTheMagicalBear (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Titus (1):

Save The Dragons

Toogeloo (1):

furtiveglance

Frogsterking (1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

not voting (2):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker

with 14 alive, it took 8 to blow someone up.

Pooky has an uncontested wagon, minus StD and Cape. MariaR and I started the Pooky wagon (even though I am vote 5). Frogsterking flipped town. BCG is likely town. If any scum, toog.

On furtiveglance, we have only Toog and enchant as possible scum but scum have no interest in saving furtiveglance. StD is as expected off wagon.

StD should be the flip.

Malcolm being vanilla and making no effort to lead is also acceptable.

If Enchant comes back vig, conftown. Kinda was hoping Enchant shoots you or me.

We've established any PR who plays not like you is scum fypov. Frogsterking, furtiveglance, me and BCG. All are town or likely town.

You don't die bc you're the problem.

No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

I can then check bcg's role.

[Lukewarm]

And her push on my slot started with her first post in this game

Kinda feeling Frogster StD based on preliminary VCs. Weak because both counterwagons are voting Frogster.

VOTE: StD

She is not sorting my slot, she made the decision before she even started playing that my slot was a miselim she thought she could get. Likely because StD can get flack in general

[Lukewarm]

Now, Math, you know my scum game and that it should be blatantly obvious Luke is selling a narrative. I never decide player X is a miselimination prior to the start.

Sure does feel that way when you have not appeared to ever have a second thought about me the entire time I have been in this game.

Seamlessly shifting from "bcg is town, lets kill luke" to "Maybe bcg is scum, but lets kill luke first anyways" to "well, bcg flipped scum, lets kill Luke now"

You are not looking at me, you are just pushing me.

And like, someone you confidently called town for multiple days in a row flipped scum, and that sparked zero re-evaluation from you.

[Lukewarm]

Luke replaced him and has done nothing but kiss your ass and encourage you to order me around.

Also you are just making things up. Out side of being suspicious of you, there has not been much that math and I have even agreed on this game.

Like when I repped in day 3 Math was pushing the idea that there was scum inside BCG/Marci mechanically, and reads whise between you/marci, and I argued for Marci being town, and said we should eliminate Chungus or Malcolm.

Spoiler:

It’s why I am nervous especially if NM has multiple shots that either Marci or BGC would be scum.

literally why am i scum other than for suspecting u malcolm?

Because you’re a claimed protective when town has a vig.

Ergo one of you or BGC likely scum.

Can I get a reads list from you Math?

One of BGC/Marci is scum because vig
Std probably scum

I kinda haven’t given it more thought than that since I will probably be dead.

I don’t like you don’t have an actual role and could be a vanilla cop/Neo but I will leave that alone. It’s worth revisiting if you aren’t dead before elo.

If NM has a shot since BGC is one shot of Titus won’t check there validating BGC and Marci doesn’t visit there (and she shouldn’t since she is claimed even night) wouldn’t hurt.

No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

BGC says he has no more shots before replacing out.
Marci makes more sense mechanically to be scum
BGC makes more sense by play given he wanted to confirm Pooky before NM came out as disloyal vig.

Titus is being scummy AF right now. I really am super paranoid of Marci/Titus

you also said furtives role makes sense for scum to have but look where that wound u up

It absolutely did. It was still the right play to elim furtive because of that and lying. It’s not like I was alone in saying it either. Given the same facts I’d do it again too.

and you dont pause to think

furtives role makes sense as scum yet hes town
so maybe the same thing applies to others?

geez for someone who keeps trying to take mechanical lead you sure are shit at it

so... why use mechanics if ur so bad at it? u should try focusing on reading ppl for what they've done I think ull have higher chances of succeeding then

I kinda doubt scum marci responds this way to math correctly saying her claim is fake based on the set up.

So if we are between marci and bcg, I would lean bcg - but also have not gotten to the pooky iso yet like toog asked. Just based on these marci posts really. Probably won't get there today either, probably tomorrow.

wild nobodies doing shit

clearly scum comfy

Yeah, this game seems kinda dead.

I'm down to vote out either of Malcolm or Chungus atm

VOTE: Chungus

This is the one Not_Mafia wants, right?

He argued that Not_Mafia should target marci if we were not going to elim her, and I said it should chungus made more sense to me.

Spoiler:

Do we tell NM who to shot

Marci.

You gonna finish your claim?

Do we tell NM who to shot

Marci.

You gonna finish your claim?

It seems like since he is scum reading BCG, that is probably where he is gonna shoot.

And then for most of Day 4 the two of us were arguing different targets for his night action too.

You are trying to frame it like I have been here trying to appease him all game, just because you don't like that the two of us both suspect you.

[Lukewarm]

As i stated, one is likely mafia, but silent agreement on Titus cuts my nerves now.

Problem is, i don't understand motivation of scumteam at all.
Frog was killed when there was revealed Disloyal Vig and no revealed protectives.

Targeting Frog no matter how he was right Rolecop VS Disloyal Vig no matter how he was jestery is ??? play, unless mafia have way to shut down vig notlethally and they seems to be not. I didn't pay attention on this before, but seems like mafia claiming trully, especially if you want argue Titus!scum who are most likely are rolecop and would't fear other Rolecop. So they have no merit to kill rolecop from role perspective.

Frog needed to be

damn right

to be chosen, instead of loyal vig.


... Or mafia are not competent. Possible. MathBlade is actually competent... But i already was in game, where i blindly townreaded him when mafia made most bullshity claim just to get instakilled, and i was like "oh mathblade would suggest more belivable claim if he was mafia".
Yeah, Math was maf in this one. So while we both think about mech in priority, i have no clue how Math ticks. Even less i know about how Titus tick.

EIther way, i am not hammering yet. Need to think it over.

Enchant, you said it yourself that it is weird that there are so many doubled roles.

Role cop + role cop
Voyeur + Voyeur
Tracker + Tracker

But, there is a distinction in there.

Marci was half of a tracker(even night), and furtive was a third of a tracker(joat with 3 abilities). They combined to like

80%

of a full tracker getting to shoot every night as long as they live.

You are a 1 shot, night 3 voyeur. That added to a full voyeur is not really much in the grand scheme of things. As of right now, on day 4, You + Math =

125%

of a full voyuer shooting every night and that just goes down the longer the game goes on.

But Frog was an ungated rolecop, and Titus has claimed 4 results for 4 nights. They would combine to

200%

of a full voyeur right now. I know titus has claimed to be out of shots, so would be lessening over time. But that would not start lowering until DAY 6!

That is definitely the most overlap of the overlaps.

And it makes more sense to me that scum gets a rolecop then scum gets a voyuer anyways. (both are confirmed to be true claiming their roles by how you handled start of day 4). Rolecop actually is useful for a scum team in this set up, to find the vig / doctor / joat. While voyeur, is just... kinda weak.

[Lukewarm]

I'm gonna look through Toog's iso, Cape I see that you are super gung ho about me being scum, but I am town and this is Elo, so if you are town maybe hold for a bit.

[Lukewarm]

Cape is damn near locktown from my PoV. MalcolmTucker was too, and I hate that I didn't push against that harder. Cape isn't in my PoE, and the only way he gets Elimmed is if I get Night Killed.

But you are pushing Cape, which has never been in Frog's PoE. Maria was though, StD was as well, and Frog had a ton of skepticism over Math trying to out PRs while resolving Pooky.

Pushing Cape is where you lost me yesterday. Cape is town.

I don't think that Cape kills Toog here. Toog has cape lock towned and even suspected Titus for suspecting Cape. Toog was exactly who scum!Cape would want to take into ELo I think.

I think I might be wrong on Maria. I am now leaning Titus + Enchant after BCG's iso followed by the events of Day 4.

UNVOTE:

This is the last time that Toog mentioned Enchant, as part of his solve. Enchant has been fairly widely town read up until now, so he could see Toog as a threat.

I'm supporting MariaR elim.

VOTE: MariaR

I'm dying in this hill.

Toog was fairly strong on his Maria scum read for quite a while, although he did start to relent when he transitioned into that Titus+Enchant solve. With Titus's flip, it is fairly reasonable to think he might turn back on Maria.

I think the following players are for sure town...
NM
MT
Cape

Mostly ok with the following players...
Math (with some reservation)*
Marci

Last time Toog made a read statement about math, and that means that cape+math were toog's only two living town reads left from this list.

Cape and Math should not see Toog as a threat, Maria and Enchant could.

One of the former + one of the later might still kill toog to sure up the later. Definitely not cape+math tho.

Possible scum teams:

Cape+Math

Cape+Enchant
Cape+Maria
Math+Enchant
Math+Maria
Maria+Enchant

Cape + anyone feels less likely too, just because Cape would probably feel decent to end game with toog alive given the strength of his read. Like, even if their partner went down cape could arguably win a 3p Elo with Cape+Toog+1, either with toog leading into a cross with the other, or toog choosing cape if cape is crossed with the +1

Cape+Enchant
Cape+Maria

Math on the other hand might be concerned about answering why he is still alive at 3p, and thinks he needs to win now.


So, I am left at
Math+Enchant
Math+Maria
Maria+Enchant

Need to find 1 town in here.

Pedit: Enchant, why are you fucking voting already in Elo?

[Lukewarm]

Pedit: Enchant, why are you fucking voting already in Elo?

[Lukewarm]

Please unvote

[Lukewarm]

At least give everyone time to check in, give there solves, ect.

Like, even if you are sure that Math is scum, you have to also make sure that his partner is found for 3p elo

[Lukewarm]

Jesus fucking christ. I am going to walk away, and if the game is still here when I come back I will sort through the two of them

pedit: thank you

[Lukewarm]

I'm like pretty sure it's Luke/Enchant and I'm prob voting Luke today

@Cape
@Math

Ready to listen and vote the wolves just lmk

I was already leaning Maria as one of the two based on the Toog scum read there and because I was town reading both Math and Enchant before Elo started.

And this feels like Maria+Enchant to me.

Not alienating either of Math or Cape by calling them scum, and only needs one of them to vote me to win.

[Lukewarm]

I'm here and not quick hammering.

But also, I am vla today and tomorrow. Jind of shitty timing, and I'm sorry, but I need to put more brain to this game then I can while vla.

Gut instinct is Enchant tho