hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

[Cape90]

I'm just glad I am here and not 9 pages behind like last large game lmao

[Cape90]

Good morning! How are you, VOTE: Cape90?

You flip mafia Greeting?

Do you ever?

VOTE: Greeting

[Cape90]

I’ll explain in a bit

The Maria vote?

[Cape90]

Slow start, wouldn't like spamming the thread too much but

Readslist:

marcistar - SBPC. Usual marci posts that make me smile.
Frogsterking - "I may or may not post my survey start"

Gamma Emerald - Comment on elaborating something later.
Charloux - Stands out in a way that I don't think mafia would, I guess.

The rest

I'm just glad I am here and not 9 pages behind like last large game lmao

Is that the one we were both in you're talking about? Nightmare flashbacks of trying to catch up with about 60 pages after D1 only to end up voted out D2 anyway.

Yes

I’ll explain in a bit

The Maria vote?

No that’s RVS
Why did you think I meant that?

I wasn't sure between the 2 things you pulled up today. I felt like the Charloux thing was self-explanatorily interesting. Hence my slightest TL on him.

[Cape90]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987

This is the game cape, malcolm and I are referring to. I wasn't Town in that game, so my memories are pleasant as the experience from my point of view was waking up to 60 new pages of Town tearing itself apart like rabid dogs.

haha yeah and I was defending you that whole time lmao. I am not confident I can read you properly.

I mean ofc I was reading you off questionable logic just now, same applies for everyone, just made that cuz I was bored and wanted... something lol

[Cape90]

Frogsterking - "I may or may not post my survey start"

Gamma Emerald - Comment on elaborating something later.

Speaking of moving the game forward, cape can you justify townleaning these two above in some way that makes it seem like you

didn't

just throw a bunch of names together?

I find posting about posting the survey start thing to be completely pointless if you are mafia here as that part can easily be left out. It felt like random insecurity over... nothing which to me says towny concern.

As far as the read on Gamma, I guess it shows this thing I see town usually do to where they would have these "secret" reads on people that they want to share

later

. I just hardly see mafia do this.

[Cape90]

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

[Cape90]

telling the truth about 50?

I will try to elaborate but this is also just kind of a meta thing I have observed as it isn't black and white.

I’ll explain in a bit

So Gamma said this about

I'm gonna need more popcorn to watch all this.
I'm afraid to poke my head or the evil teddy will have my soul

interesting

this post yeah?

What I think makes it skew null-town is the obvious lack of content that there is, ultimately, the thing Gamma commented on is not at all important to the game as that particular post just kind of exists, my town lean on Charloux more came from 24 just coming off strange.

So what makes this type of comment suspicious later on? Well I would say when we get out of RVS it gets to this territory as it could mark that scum
A) "need to go now goodbye" aka don't wanna play/don't feel like making meaningful content
B) Don't want too think too hard about their answer right now then and there. This would usually be more of a substantive thing like for instance lets say Person A makes a detailed read about Person B out of RVS and then Person C says "I don't like this read on Person B, elaborating later". This is leaning scum indicative for me.

Though I have had effort reads bite me in the butt since town can be lazy too.

Also if you think that I am married to the townreads I made within the 50 posts of the game, you are funny

[Cape90]

Generally can't tell between town/scum with this guy. its hard to read him.

you have played with me? Or just the playstyle I am doing right now?

[Cape90]

Slow start, wouldn't like spamming the thread too much but

Why did you perceive that it was a slow start?

PEdit

Fennec you can't use games which haven't been completed yet against someone, it's considered OGI (out of game influence)

Completed games are fair play for data mining meta tells, as well as linking to and analyzing, though.

been playing a lot of turbo style games recently so I think it's that :p

[Cape90]

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?

We are not out of RVS

I townleaned you

early = town

this does not contradict any statement I made

[Cape90]

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?

I'm going to go ahead and Town read Gamma with

very low

certainty for asking a question which seems unlikely to be scum motivated.

PEdit

I'm going to go ahead and flip my read on Cape

VOTE: Cape

You are being swayed by Nero of all people?

[Cape90]

been playing a lot of turbo style games recently so I think it's that :p

I don't believe you, sorry. I played thousands of hours on EM and I never had an impulse to instantly go "oh damn these 4 people are Town for xyz" unless I was scum.

I don't do this style of RVS reads often at all because I usually don't feel inclined too. Oh and you are talking EM? 1) We've had way more time to post well-thought out posts over here, I mean cmon it's been hours. 2) I do make reads like this on m.gg early on in certain conditions, if you don't have at least 2 solid townreads on day 2 in a typical 16 player, then usually it's a skill issue :^).

Also

BlueKang would like a word with you

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

And you know, BongWater made the same read you just did on BlueKang and flipped scum!

Curious

[Cape90]

why is being swayed by nero even a bad thing?

He hasn't been towny so far, I found Nero as town pretty easily last large game so

Though I do remember him having a few strange reads

[Cape90]

eh u seem towny so far.

i cant really remember what alignment cape was last time i played with him, but he seems similar to that game. so without looking to see what he was there, i would say he seems towny here. other than him shading nero for 0 reason.

I was town. I don't think I have been scum on MS

[Cape90]

so? do you scumread him?

I guess not yet but I have my eye on him. He seems dodgy with his reads.

I think I've matured as a player in the last 3 or 4 years and past me might want cape dead ASAP but now I just think he's maybe a lil' sus.

Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does.

[Cape90]

also, wow bringing up totally the exact same scenario where the accuser flipped scum! Curious. Curious indeed. I don't fuckin buy it sorry

it's not hard to look with your eyes, it's quite literally the same thing. My point was literally to discredit the bad argument

[Cape90]

I found Nero as town pretty easily last large game so

I'm not sure if this is true? Like you may have intentionally town read me when I was town reading you and then as the game progressed I think you started to suspect me a lil' and then after VP flipped you were hard scum reading me.

Though that might have been more mechanical than play based.

I guess not yet but I have my eye on him. He seems dodgy with his reads.

Isn't this as fence sitty as you claim that I'm being?

Yeah, I was thinking that someone in the hood was scum purely based on balancing the game, I was right. I was being told that my Galron push was bad.

Okay you have a point about that fence sitting thing

has cape always been this shady..? i dont remember him like this..

You just said

i cant really remember what alignment cape was last time i played with him, but he seems similar to that game. so without looking to see what he was there, i would say he seems towny here. other than him shading nero for 0 reason.

Which I suppose doesn't fully contradict your point.

Okay so when I was making 33 I did have a inclination to think that Nero's and Malcom's opening posts were maybe sketch but never really bothered to point it out since the reads were considerably weaker. But as Malcom hasn't been here, Nero has, and hasn't really won me over. I think Malcom looks slightly worse in the regard of early posts though, but he gets pushed a lot and usually doesn't towntell that often.

Nero to me is confusing me and this is making me not inclined to vote there

[Cape90]

Cape lambasting Frog for being swayed by me isn't a defense, its an attack on me.

It's about trust. It's not about calling you a bad player

[Cape90]

About Post 90, An extremely trash attack, and I wasn't mentioning that as the defense, although it does make him a lot more suspicous and makes me want to see a non "I haven't gotten scum uhh huhhh i've played mafia.gg and always had 2 scum reads by d2 and i'm gonna ignore the fact its a 6 minute day 2 minute night mafia game uhhh huhh" as a response to his accusations, and also actually defend, instead of striking at someone random and the accuser.

74 has nothing to do with Nero

Nero is referring to 69

[Cape90]

Holy crap my sample size of 7 indicates maf.gg players are trash.

true, you really have to play around not your typical public players to actually find someone who won't make you pull your hair right out

[Cape90]

Cape I just nailed the PoE called 2/2 scum townread everyone else on D2, do I get a prize?

Oh shit my sample size of players on maf.gg is about to increase from 7 to like 25, wish me luck.

wow im so cool

[Cape90]

Cape I just nailed the PoE called 2/2 scum townread everyone else on D2, do I get a prize?

Oh shit my sample size of players on maf.gg is about to increase from 7 to like 25, wish me luck.

wow im so cool

oh wait you are talking about your own mafia.gg game lmao, I thought you were mocking me or something

[Cape90]

Cape I just nailed the PoE called 2/2 scum townread everyone else on D2, do I get a prize?

Oh shit my sample size of players on maf.gg is about to increase from 7 to like 25, wish me luck.

wow im so cool

oh wait you are talking about your own mafia.gg game lmao, I thought you were mocking me or something

Yes I just played a game and there was only one helpful player in the lobby and I nailed the PoE perfect on D2 (despite no alignment flip from the D1 lim) and then somehow we lost.

I tried to play a second game but I became a spectator despite clearly clicking "become player" and accepting the ready check before the game started.

sounds like the amazing experience

[Cape90]

This guy's defense could be called Ricochet defense at this point. he just keeps bouncing off and attacking people instead of giving a real defense in various degrees of randomness and intensity.

pointing fingers is funner/better in RVS anyways.

I find all of the commotion around me strange like with the whole Frogster/Nero thing which I feel like Nero actually looked better coming off of that

Frogsterking started out townreading me 35, 46, 51
Then he reconsiders his read on 51 saying 59 making it look like a weird pocketing thing that looked w/w to me (when I thought about this more, the less it made sense, but this is still possible).
Frogster then just kinda votes me on 65 flipping """his""" read on me. If the read even is original. I don't know whether Frogster voted for 49/53 or 55 as these were the only posts that could sway him without explanation on his end.
so I post 66 right after Frog votes me, then Frog immediately in 68 calls bull on my meta. Which is fair, I didn't really think the whole thing through as it's situational also most maf.gg players stink, I was basing it off of playing privately with some actual players who knew what they were doing + phases were longer then usual.

The thing all about this is now Frogster is off of me and has gone onto Crescent who is rand right now. I can never tell if pushes behind me are always scum-motivated or not, but as far as my track record goes, it leans not so I would say Max 1 scum in Frog/Nero/Fennec. Even if the ladder I highly doubt as they are talking in a way that peeves me. But they also look solvy at the same time

[Cape90]

I find posting about posting the survey start thing to be completely pointless if you are mafia here as that part can easily be left out. It felt like random insecurity over... nothing which to me says towny concern.

Does this transfer analogically to sirrhett's comment in 113 about their rvs joke?

No. But you made it clear you don't understand the fundamental difference between the two for some reason.

Saying "pointless" things by itself in RVS is NAI such as jokes.

Down the line if Nero flips scum the vote could mean something, but not now.

With you, let's say you are scum, I would assume scum!Frogsterking would normally not bother putting the disclaimer and either post it or not post it.

[Cape90]

I find all of the commotion around me strange like with the whole Frogster/Nero thing which I feel like Nero actually looked better coming off of that

Can you reflect on this a little bit? Go deeper?

Oh yeah, I forgot to talk about Nero

Like I know I have said Nero has been hedgy

But at least Nero has been direct with how they feel about my slot 49/53

I feel like some random thoughts that Nero has had have looked like they had a towny throughline such as 57/80, specifically, "If he's scum that read on Gamma for slightly silly reasoning looks like buddying."/90.

So Nero has been direct with his suspicion on me and has had some posts that I feel like would be strange if he were mafia ie. mafia know I am flipping town so immediately partnering me up with Gamma doesn't feel scum motivated.

So coming off that there is Fennec who did slightly townread me.

The thing about Fennec though is Fennec has at least been transparent with their full thought process

41/55/72 and also just kinda makes passive aggressive posts like 81/89 they kinda read as just obvious town with a power complex lmao

[Cape90]

Frogsterking - "I may or may not post my survey start"

I started with a joke here because there’s not much else to do in the RVS. Feel like there is a lot of players that we haven’t heard from yet. Looking forward to hearing more.

__

No. But you made it clear you don't understand the fundamental difference between the two for some reason.

Difference is leaving a way to back out? As scum by bring up the survey start I have some accountability for it later, meaning I would be less likely to bring it up if I weren't even sure I wanted to use it? Whereas Sirrhett is commenting on something he already did.

Do you have no way to back out now? I am just saying that I

feel

like as scum you would either do the thing or not do the thing and there being no "middle man" if you will to that ie. "I may or may not post my survey start". Like even though the comment is random, the "survey start" means... something game related I assume

[Cape90]

thanks?
You feel defensive.

You are the ones asking me questions in which to defend myself, like good job sherlock.

One game does not a pattern make. Do you have more evidence that this sort of push you say Frog is making comes from scum?

Also speaking of,
It isn't a pattern, but I would love to know this scum game where scum names 4 people as town/light town within 50 posts.
If you think I am doing that as scum, best believe there is mafia in those 4.

[Cape90]

thanks?
You feel defensive.

You are the ones asking me questions in which to defend myself, like good job sherlock.

One game does not a pattern make. Do you have more evidence that this sort of push you say Frog is making comes from scum?

Also speaking of,
It isn't a pattern, but I would love to know this scum game where scum names 4 people as town/light town within 50 posts.
If you think I am doing that as scum, best believe there is mafia in those 4.

EBWOP: I do not have more evidence then what I have already said for now

[Cape90]

Oh yeah, I forgot to talk about Nero

Like I know I have said Nero has been hedgy

But at least Nero has been direct with how they feel about my slot 49/53

I feel like some random thoughts that Nero has had have looked like they had a towny throughline such as 57/80, specifically, "If he's scum that read on Gamma for slightly silly reasoning looks like buddying."/90.

So Nero has been direct with his suspicion on me and has had some posts that I feel like would be strange if he were mafia ie. mafia know I am flipping town so immediately partnering me up with Gamma doesn't feel scum motivated.

You're probably Town BUT your analysis on Nero is lacking in critical thinking. You need to find your inner zen and try again with Nero.

What do you think of Nero?

[Cape90]

What do you think of Nero?

Scum

I could see it, but I am undecided as of now since his logs are in the shape of scum? Like the posts just look uncomfy

[Cape90]

What do you think of Nero?

Scum

It's possible I'm being too harsh on you. What do you think is motivating Nero in 80?

I am not sure, especially paired with 82, I could see it being chummy or like testing the waters u know

[Cape90]

Do you think Nero is more or less likely to write 80 the way it's written if he knows for a fact that both you and I are both Town?

Also notice how Nero doesn't vote you in 80 but chooses to naked vote you in 84 a couple of minutes later. I wonder if 81 influenced his choice to vote you at the time he did.

More likely

I would assume Nero voted me for 69 as stated in 82 as a sort of OMGUS

That quote is specifically after every quote Nero focused on in 80 (meaning he may have not saw it)

[Cape90]

Down the line if Nero flips scum the vote could mean something, but not now

Nero is never going to flip scum so that fixes that problem but I don't get what you are saying here.

That is a blanket statement that probably doesn't hold much weight. What I was thinking about was as simple as SirRhett voting you without a real reason when you haven't said anything AI up to that point is indicative of possibly being town IF AND ONLY IF you flip scum.

I acknowledge this logic is bad and just WIFOM at the end of the day though

[Cape90]

Down the line if Nero flips scum the vote could mean something, but not now

Nero is never going to flip scum so that fixes that problem but I don't get what you are saying here.

That is a blanket statement that probably doesn't hold much weight. What I was thinking about was as simple as SirRhett voting you without a real reason when you haven't said anything AI up to that point is indicative of possibly being town IF AND ONLY IF you flip scum.

I acknowledge this logic is bad and just WIFOM at the end of the day though

this also applies to something like 3 fwiw

[Cape90]

Oh Greeting was asking me how I was and then I never answered.

I am fine :p

[Cape90]

Oh Greeting was asking me how I was and then I never answered.

I am fine :p

Glad to hear that! I like your new avi.

Thanks. I had it drawn for me, shoutouts!

[Cape90]

I'm gonna need more popcorn to watch all this.
I'm afraid to poke my head or the evil teddy will have my soul

interesting

so I said this because I found it a bit peculiar Charloux made a comment about Pooky like this
I don't believe Charloux and Pooky played together before ever

I dont know what you are getting at

[Cape90]

I think there's a non-zero chance Charloux was told to beware Pooky in scumchat
he's welcome to prove me wrong!

Oh I see. I didn't see it as a reference to Pooky but I will keep that in mind

[Cape90]

I can't get a read on Cape at all. Reading his posts gives me the same feeling i get while listening to my grandparents; I just shut myself off mentally without realizing it and forget everything that was talked about. He lacks the oomph in his posts to get my attention.
I'll leave him be for today and hope someone kills/investigates him by tomorrow.

Yeah I am boring

[Cape90]

getting "violent" because you know you can't defend yourself using words.

I don't think this is an accurate description of my play.

A: You are scummy
Average guys answer: Why do you think i am scummy, could you elaborate xyz?
Nero: Your case is so fing bad scumface.

I think this pretty much sums it?

I know a person who plays like this as town

[Cape90]

Is this the observation you made that you just had to wait to explain? I don't see any breadcrumbs either, just some half-baked effort to get towny points.

This post has been marked as a stretch

Okay but I do agree that I do not know why they had to wait on telling this

[Cape90]

Of course y’all are just going to assume that I was pocketing

Cape90

, I can’t just say I like his avi anymore.

Greeting is exiting their Town range.

Legitimately never seen Greeting as scum but thinking this might be it fr unfortunately.

Like I am not feeling that they are being as helpful as I know they can be

[Cape90]

Town:

Gamma
Kitty
Marci
Cape
Sirrhet
Charloux
Fennec

Scum:

Nero

How certain are you on you Kitty read?

[Cape90]

Town:

Gamma
Kitty
Marci
Cape
Sirrhet
Charloux
Fennec

Scum:

Nero

How certain are you on you Kitty read?

Never mind, I see the quote above but why? What makes Kitty out of their scum range right now?

[Cape90]

chummy to who? Also, there were no extra votes or pressure between my 80 and 84 so your "testing the waters" theory doesn't hold WATER.

also I will just say I wasn't necessarily referring to that. But it does fall apart when instead of not going anywhere after this, you basically immediately target me

[Cape90]

Eh, the Greeting voters are a little sketch even if I am still not opposed there. For instance

VOTE: Toogeloo

I think Maria is town

[Cape90]

If this is scum!Greeting expect them to be suspiciously absent for a while (coaching/planning in the PT)

then make a bunch of dramatic, townie looking posts which fool the newer players.

Haven't really seen this second part at all so far.

What about Maria do you like? Toogle isn't a player I've had great success reading in the past, though usually when I see someone do the double vote thing they're Town.

As for most people, would love to see more content this game from them. I kinda get this towny bluntness vibe from Maria. I believe if Maria were scum, in 119 they probably would have just gave reads. I think Maria has been oddly cryptic in general so far, even with the 4 posts they have.

Okay, I am unfamiliar with this whole double vote thing, never really seen it but I will see what Toogle does, never played with Toogle

[Cape90]

IDK I guess it's purely an intuition read. Sorry. Do you have any experience with scum!kitty?

I have not played with him.

I just don't see anything that is all that AI in his posts. Only thing is a Fennec town read really

[Cape90]

Is Greeting always this snappy?

As someone who has played quite a bit with town!Greeting, I can say they usually provide

something

more substantive by now. They have been defending me in an odd fashion, hasn't felt direct. Usually town!Greeting would assumedly point out why he thinks I am town instead of hardly do this and kinda poke around other players who have the opinion that I am scum.
They only say nothing is out of the ordinary coming from me like, halfway through their light prodding of people asking them why I am dodgy. Also slightly questioned what info we get out of a Nero flip.

This is lazier then usual I would say

[Cape90]

VOTE: Greeting

Have the feeling moving off this onto someone who is completely NAI is not the right move right now

[Cape90]

Is cape's actions, somehow town to you though, does he do this every game? because if he does, it is a real easy meta to replicate as scum, and in general, very scummy

yes and yes and this is why I am divisive since I do this, but I would also say I am not out of scumrange for me yet but also within my townrange. Difference is I usually lose steam as scum later on (or have to try harder to post) and don't in town games.

Responding to this because I am obviously a 0 poster to you

[Cape90]

also can I also ask cape: Why did you mention nero swaying frog into voting ya?

To me Frogsterking's progression on me didn't seem natural, so I was just all like "oh you're just sheeping Nero"

[Cape90]

Also, Cape why the fuck are you thinking it is so dodgy to vote greeting?

Nero voters looked better then Greeting voters at the time.

Also I will just say Save The Dragons might already be out of his scum range

[Cape90]

Wow I hate this

only person who should hate me at least trying to push the game forwards is scum though

[Cape90]

I originally tr MariaR but then thought those posts about everything being NAI was really safe to make so I don't know. I don't know why I'm sharing this

What posts? You never quoted anything from Maria in this post

[Cape90]

Save the Dragons/Marci/Char
Fen/Cape
.
Pooky/Gamma
Nero/Frog

I go lay down now have fun

Bingo. This is what I was fishing for. It will come in handy tomorrow.

VOTE: Maria

We can hammer Maria now IMO.

Can you elaborate on why Maria is scum? I don't super get Maria's take in 245 calling my posts

not

fuzzy so it's easy not to like it? I feel like the opposite applies more but alright. Then also kinda says the same thing about me in 285.

Would also like to point out that in Fennec's scum world, if I were to be mafia, the other suspicions that Fennec has had have been quite vocal about me

[Cape90]

Can you elaborate on why Maria is scum? I don't super get Maria's take in 245 calling my posts not fuzzy so it's easy not to like it?

Would just like to point out that Fennec's posts have not been fluffy and yet literally everyone is calling Fennec towny. What's the difference Maria?

[Cape90]

Town!dragon can tell Cape is obvtown for example.

am I obvious town now to you, what are you saying?

I remember in this open game I played and was town hydraing with like 13 people on this site that
1) Save The Dragons townread us, but maybe not me specifically, a few people townread me, maybe because I wasn't just memeposting all the time.
2) Save The Dragons correctly tunnled on another hydra that game.

I hardly see Save The Dragons making posts like 281 which made me inclined to throw a premature townread there

[Cape90]

Are you still opposed to voting Maria or w.e?

for now, I feel like even with Maria's reads it doesn't give enough info

[Cape90]

Either you're reaching so hard that you've convinced yourself that I am a wolf with such wacky reasoning without even considering why this stuff can come from a villager or you're just a wolf trying to paint anything possible into a wolfread.

I'll let the thread figure out what

.

Somehow I wouldn't think you would trust the thread consensus rather then yourself if you are town

[Cape90]

Plus, I was able to reread the posts, as I'm filling a log of posts in a document as well as relationships with players between players to see for contradictions and later reference, and

So basically you're open wolfing to try and put me on tilt so you can sort me. Groovy!

Usually when people tilt me, they are town, unless they are being lazy, which clearly Fennec isn't

[Cape90]

and also, Crumbing your voting the guy who hadn't posted a single time

they posted twice, but only in the beginning of the game

[Cape90]

Sigh that's effort? Don't you know how lazy I am? Besides the obvious RVS votes that are just >rand on if you want to call them AI or not, I think most of the stuff said so far has a level of effort put in that on a baseline looks towny (because people TR effort a lot) but on the stuff that is AI in and of itself? Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

something rubs me the wrong way about especially the performative first part of this post

[Cape90]

I have cut him some slack for being a newbie, but I don't think Fennec is sounding towny at all in this game. The recent annoyance is like, the most genuine-looking thing I've seen from this slot. Other than that it doesn't seem to me like he's reading the thread that much at all, and some of his stances actually don't make sense to me at all.

How do you even get that impression from the Fennec slot, I think Fennec is very clearly reading the room

[Cape90]

i had felt like

My 2nd FoS is Maria.

(I think there was another quote that better outlines his belief that one of me/maria are scum but this'll do.)

this was your classic push town bus buddy and Maria also pushed the idea that one of me/frog is scum and that their plan was to tag team me today and then possibly cross distance tomorrow so I wasn't really expecting Frog to vote Maria.

ofc they've now both gotten off me and went elsewhere besides each other.

you kinda are doing the same thing Frogster just did to you in terms of partner associations with Maria

[Cape90]

preliminary Thoughts: at least one of maria/frog are mafia. Neri feels subdued but i wont push it just based on that bc i like them like this and prefer it that way

VOTE: frog

godlike name

[Cape90]

VOTE: MariaR

I certainly agree with this more then most other votes right now. Greeting's postings have been improving while I don't like the OMGUS that Maria has had. A lot of that in general this game, this game is just that spiderman meme 20 times over

[Cape90]

your reads just seem so fake sorry

Yeah I forced reads to progress the game

Wowee

[Cape90]

I was worried at first that Big Chungus was a game thrower but I'm pretty sure it's just a scum slot. I'm getting a strong troll vibe from them which reminds me of when NK15 replaced into Gamma's mini Normal. I ignored it in that game but now I think that tone is AI.

I don't think Chungus is trolling this game, the username is the only thing you should get the impression of that, but I haven't really melded with their takes

[Cape90]

Cape are you ready to push Greeting or Chungus tomorrow?

Probably, I would need to look at it more on NOT EXAM DAY like it be for me right now

Chungus has been NAI which at this stage worries me.

Greeting is finally enacting town meta but I don't like their take on you

[Cape90]

I think I have been less towny recently so idk why Frogsterking is all of the sudden trusting of me. I could be a dingus and he is tryna pocket me

[Cape90]

I think I have been less towny recently so idk why Frogsterking is all of the sudden trusting of me. I could be a dingus and he is tryna pocket me

Never mind I am obviously town I guess

[Cape90]

One thing I never mentioned. I think Pooky's silent vote on me made sense. Like I swapped off Greeting who I assume they were scum reading (since they were voting) when I swapped off them, from their POV, it probably looked w/w so they voted me after I got off Greeting

[Cape90]

Dragons/Greeting/Chungus/Maria is my solve and my suggested kill list. Follow Cape and Nero probably. If Nero is deep scum expect him to lurk out a lot.

feels like he lurked a lot today

[Cape90]

Dragons/Greeting/Chungus/Maria is my solve and my suggested kill list. Follow Cape and Nero probably. If Nero is deep scum expect him to lurk out a lot.

feels like he lurked a lot today

never mind he talked

[Cape90]

Follow Cape and Nero probably. If Nero is deep scum expect him to lurk out a lot.

also speaking of, weren't you just basically saying Maria and Nero were w/w. At least u implied this when u voted Maria

[Cape90]

if this town really just let's you go "welp oh well" after I flip then I will be rolling in my grave with laughter tbh.

I'm not really buying the AtE sorry.

Cape/Nero hammer?

i think I am already voting Maria

[Cape90]

VOTE: big chungus gaming

I am here to game, big leages, big chungus

Cape why are you voting BCG?

1. Clearly haven't tried reading the thread even though it isn't too hard.
2. 400

[Cape90]

VOTE: big chungus gaming

I am here to game, big leages, big chungus

Cape why are you voting BCG?

1. Clearly haven't tried reading the thread even though it isn't too hard.
2. 400

I thought this was a p scummy post before the site nuked itself.

Like Frogsterking for instance, it really didn't seem like you wanted to actually solve that slot despite Frogsterking saying a lot

[Cape90]

VOTE: big chungus gaming

I am here to game, big leages, big chungus

Cape why are you voting BCG?

1. Clearly haven't tried reading the thread even though it isn't too hard.
2. 400

I thought this was a p scummy post before the site nuked itself.

Like Frogsterking for instance, it really didn't seem like you wanted to actually solve that slot despite Frogsterking saying a lot

Whats your solve of frogsterking slot?

I would have to relook but I think he was one of the townier slots in terms of how he was solving

What made you suspect him in the first place?

Is your Maria read independent?

[Cape90]

Why would you vote for someone you think is scum over someone who isn't trying very hard?

I will say

If this is your logic why should we not vote you?

[Cape90]

BTW this is about it on the case on Toog huh?

[Cape90]

I feel like Frogsterking being all over the place with his read on me has felt towny FMPOV, also seemed like he was trying to resolve my slot

[Cape90]

See: p#550

I think you gamma and frogster are fairly paired so its very important we see some receipts. I want to flip one of you 3, primarily Frogster.

okay?
something tells me you are actually trolling

[Cape90]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

[Cape90]

noob and not reading

[Cape90]

Do people really think scum!toog was like "I'm going to not try today and announce this fact in my second post"

Cuz I don't

there is a reason I havent swapped over there

[Cape90]

As far as MacolmTucker goes, Not sure how to read them this game.
Generally okay takes, but they are mild in how I feel about them

[Cape90]

As far as MacolmTucker goes, Not sure how to read them this game.
Generally okay takes,

but they are mild in how I feel about them

as in i feel like they are

safe

and

easy to make

[Cape90]

I feel like Gamma is still towny for what it is worth 367 kinda stands as one point of this, as it looks like Gamma is agreeing with Frogsterking talking about how they are

annoying

enough to stop a proper towncore from forming as scum.

The kind of revisit that Gamma does 273 and 359 seem like something I would do as town where I would comment on a post twice since you are responding to one point of it, then going on to another point later. To me, scum usually have more thought out posts to where they respond to everything in a single post.

Also v i b e s and I know MS players hate that. Eat it

[Cape90]

I think im biased towards frogster being scum over maria tho mainly cuz i see multiple people able to be paired with frog

alright alright

so

you think I am scumpaired with Frogster because I have defended Frogster

First off, I am better at scum then to be that level 1

Second,

I present to you https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987 a game where I was town and Frogster was mafia

Doesn't take much digging to go to activity overview and see

the first thing I do

is call Frogster town. I don't suspect Frogster for most the rest of the game if at all.

Frog was mafia, I was town

I think frog is different this game, but my track record with them has been 0-1.

It doesn't take that much brainpower to assume that a person townreading Frog isn't automatically mafia, also they have top posted so far this game, their reads have been transparent if you just READ.

The other half of why I quoted your post

Cape had a lot of content that isn't just fuzzy nothing so it's easy to read that content and not like it, but I think in and of itself? Pretty good. I think this game really has nothing solid, still feels like RVS but I think Nero is the best place to press right now.

Is Greeting always this snappy?

Also, I think Cape is a villa if it means anything, the stuff they've presented I feel is easy to latch onto because it's a lot of content and while I disagree with some of the points made, they're helping the village push forward rn so I don't have an interest voting there

Save the Dragons/Marci/Char
Fen/Cape
.
Pooky/Gamma
Nero/Frog

I go lay down now have fun

Does not seem like you and Maria see eye to eye on me, but on other reads like Frog and Gamma.

While I do not really think Maria is

that

towny, Maria obviously believes this if they are town. I feel like Pooky is definitely an outlier here as it feels like the read is kinda like throwing darts while closing your eyes at a dartboard, like, it's basically random whatever pooky flips, along with toog.

[Cape90]

cape can you try writing a one sentence executive summary when you quad post so that I don't have to wonder what I'm missing when I scroll past your way too long posts

Skill issue
I can try

[Cape90]

cape can you try writing a one sentence executive summary when you quad post so that I don't have to wonder what I'm missing when I scroll past your way too long posts

Skill issue
I can try

bruh how long does it take to write on sentence

oh i dipped a bit after posting that lol

[Cape90]

hi large normal 242

hello

also this isn't bad tbh VOTE: MalcolmTucker

[Cape90]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Okay this seems like a scum post
5 scum in a 16 player game is very unlikely

you mistake me for someone who looked at more than the game type when replacing in. I am only now just learning we have only 16 players. i see large, i assume 4-6 scum so "like 5" is a normal response. are you sure this is just a "bad villager" maria?

4 scum would be the usual amount of scum in a 16 player, 5 is pushing it, 10-6 is never a ratio IMO, this gives us a single misvote before ELO and I at least would hope host wouldn't be that cruel.

[Cape90]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Okay this seems like a scum post
5 scum in a 16 player game is very unlikely

you mistake me for someone who looked at more than the game type when replacing in. I am only now just learning we have only 16 players. i see large, i assume 4-6 scum so "like 5" is a normal response. are you sure this is just a "bad villager" maria?

eh, gamma's takes are

normally way off course

and bad so I'd have to look at there wolf games all over again but they're whining like a child who wants attention and this is on par for what I remember.

Gamma's post isn't incorrect on the second part.
Getting mech info wrong isn't AI though IMO.

[Cape90]

So, who we killing and why

we are a little all over the place with votes right now, I think MalcolmTucker is leading by a good margin.
He only has 12 posts so not that hard to look through
MariaR is another possibility, but I have felt like they might be town recently off a hunch
Thankfully you walked in on a game that isn't super duper active, it's mostly me and frogsterking that have talked a lot, nero said quite a bit.
There are definitely a few posters like SaveTheDragons/SirRhett/Toogeloo along with Malcolm that are okay vote candidates off not providing too much.

[Cape90]

yeah but what abt it is bad?

Are you talking about Dragon's ISO?

yes

also side note can we PLEASE do something about rhett idk if they forgot abt the game but their iso is so annoying i kinda wanna vote it

What's bothering you about rhett?

Dragons is a good example of the kind of low effort scum slot trying to coast by which can get picked off D1.

Dragons ISO is a low activity slot with a couple biggish "catchup" posts that are super hedgey and refuse to state any clear stances or analysis on most players. These posts which are supposed to appear Townie are easy to write as scum, and his top 2 scum reads are obv town slots (cape and I.) I'm reading a purely survivalistic motivation from Dragon which I'm not reading from any other slot, however annoying some of them may be.

To me I find this characteristic of 3p gameplay.
Felt this way about Save The Dragons in general leading me to not really make definitive heads or tails of it, but leaning scum

[Cape90]

in terms of SirRhett

113 felt theatrical
243 is very hedgy

I bet he forgot about this game all together

[Cape90]

I feel like you're so dodgy you should be scumreading yourself frogsterking

How about actually responding to me instead of saying bullshit

Question: How does one scumread themselves?

I really don't think the case on you is a slam dunk

I don't think you have been hedgy when giving your reads on me and Frogsterking

I think your MariaR read was hedgy and I can see that if this is the argument made but eh nah not really

[Cape90]

Save the Dragons must not let me suspect him for that AtE though

[Cape90]

UNVOTE: MalcomTucker

My phone says Malcolm's catch up posts are decent

[Cape90]

Starting to think Charloux is scum, like what kind of town just posts 688 then just leaves without any further comments/solving?

VOTE: Charloux

[Cape90]

I admit my mistake. A true fencesitter should never, under any circumstances offer his opinion and only post fluff. Maybe a naked vote with no reasoning or context?

VOTE: Dragons

Now excuse me, need to eat some enslaved potasium.

i don't even know what to say to you

Charloux is scum, don't let Big Chungus fool you

[Cape90]

your case is wishy washy, all over the place, and untrue. it feels like you decided i'm scum and are just coming up with more and more reasons to pigeonhole me into this mindset. i think you've confirmbiased yourself and need to reset and actually consider what's been put out vs. decided i'm low content and therefore must be scum.

i don't know why you think i'm dodgy, i don't think i've been dodgy at all. i've given my reads my way and have been pretty clear about them.

most of this post is blustering and not an actual case and i'm not sure what you're hoping to gain from this, it almost seems like you're being dodgy especially since someone asked you a question about me and you get distracted by someone else

Why does this sound like a copypasta?

If it isn't, it should be. It's a bit like a parody of a case rebuttal.

The whole thing is just
"You say "x" about me when I am not "x"
You accuse me of "y" also when i don't know why you accuse me of "y"
idk ur being dodgy"

[Cape90]

Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

It isn't a policy if they're legit scummy. If they were just a townie-looking player with a bad playstyle it would be a policy and I oppose that. But it isn't imho.

one reason i called it policy is that I didn't think BCG was actually scummy

[Cape90]

Nice double standard you got there. Is one of Pooky/Toog your scum buddy so you didn't call them out for naked votes? That doesn't make a lot of sense...

you are legitimately scum and I will get you voted one day

Like why call out the people that have been naked voting all day? Especially Toog

[Cape90]

pooky why did you find crescent suspicious? Can you explain your read there?

cuz from my experience playing with her in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682

and modding a game with her in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89657

she is very talkative and never stops posting and here she didn't do anything and just ghosted

if this is actually true, then she must have the absolute worst case of volume meta

[Cape90]

Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

It isn't a policy if they're legit scummy. If they were just a townie-looking player with a bad playstyle it would be a policy and I oppose that. But it isn't imho.

one reason i called it policy is that I didn't think BCG was actually scummy

so whats the reason for policy then

1. You were not reading the game CLEARLY. Acting like it at least.
2. You are looking at the game through the lens of extreme bias and this really annoying "I am right" lens that will make us lose the game if we pay full attention to you.

So while I don't think either of these things necessarily point to scum, it's an anti-town playstyle that frankly annoys me

[Cape90]

Nice double standard you got there. Is one of Pooky/Toog your scum buddy so you didn't call them out for naked votes? That doesn't make a lot of sense...

you are legitimately scum and I will get you voted one day

Like why call out the people that have been naked voting all day? Especially Toog

1)No personal insults please, even if true. You don't call a fat lady fat, do you now?
2)I called out Malcom on his double standard on naked voting, and his connection to std; NOT toog.

Calling someone scum in a game of mafia isn't a

personal insult

I am surprised you didn't point out 682 as now that i look at it, I think you were referring to it as Malcom pointed out specifically Maria's vote and ONLY MARIA'S VOTE.
So if Malcolm flips red, does this make Maria blue or is it distancing? I can see both sides, so really your argument with the people Malcolm didn't call out is also WIFOM is it not?

Malcolm specifically said "Kinda get why I'd attract some votes for what's been lazy play up until now

but if I do get eliminated I suppose it'll be informative to find out where the scummy votes are.

"
This all implies that Malcolm does not think all of the lazy naked votes on him were made by mafia, kind of a blanket statement if you ask me but meh.

[Cape90]

Though to Charloux's credit

721 is a strange attack on the Charloux's slot when Malcolm showed no suspicion on the slot in the first place.
Also deflection from what? Me? I am the only one who suspects Charloux from the looks of it

Like there is 260 but that is from a while ago and really doesn't seem like a suspicion on Charloux but a dismissal of Charloux's suspicion on STD

[Cape90]

Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

It isn't a policy if they're legit scummy. If they were just a townie-looking player with a bad playstyle it would be a policy and I oppose that. But it isn't imho.

one reason i called it policy is that I didn't think BCG was actually scummy

so whats the reason for policy then

1. You were not reading the game CLEARLY. Acting like it at least.
2. You are looking at the game through the lens of extreme bias and this really annoying "I am right" lens that will make us lose the game if we pay full attention to you.

So while I don't think either of these things necessarily point to scum, it's an anti-town playstyle that frankly annoys me

im allowed to have as much confidence as i'd like on things tyvm lmfao

interesting that this standard doesn't hold for you for gamma who is actually playing up a "i am right" lens or frog who well, is frogsterking, and as well as pooky too who has naked shifted votes and not attempted to sort my slot genuinely.

but yeah, i'm not reading "clearly" or whatever? nah you saw someone mention a policy and you wanted to force me to be PoE via that.

Gamma apparently knows who you are and thinks you are scum, or just Gamma wants to push you for personal reasons, I can't tell. Actually I am seeing the ladder.

I have 0 idea who you are. I am very certain you are not the only other player who I would know who does make a lot of alt accounts. Like the person I am thinking of would legit find me as town in 0.5 seconds of reading me if they are town so obviously you are not them if you are town, so I don't think we familiar with each other if this is the case.

With Gamma, I can at least see a level of reading and a sense of actually being caught up before talking being shown.

[Cape90]

Not really I made like 10 arguments and you barely barely articulated one

Were any of them good though?

Yes

Try harder

I think you just randomly drew my name out of a hat and decided to double down on it and anyone who thinks you have a case is an idiot no offense

I reread and they weren't good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man straw man fallacy, you're straw manning my case against you.

Also you claimed low activity != scum but there is evidence that there's a correlation. https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Detection MathBlade made a similar objection (and later flipped scum) when I accused him D1 in the large theme you just modded.

I get why SBPC is a thing but
I usually post a good amount as scum.

[Cape90]

I don't think we are talking on the same wavelength...

Calling someone scum in a game of mafia isn't a

personal insult

Said it with a joke in mind using wordplay because i seriously got chills from you. I could almost taste the emotions you put into the post.

I am surprised you didn't point out 682 as now that i look at it, I think you were referring to it as Malcom pointed out specifically Maria's vote and ONLY MARIA'S VOTE.
So if Malcolm flips red, does this make Maria blue or is it distancing? I can see both sides, so really your argument with the people Malcolm didn't call out is also WIFOM is it not?

I was only comparing pooky/toog's votes and mine, didn't even have Maria in my mind back then. Out of frustration for toog's attitude i emulated fencesitting myself, but Malcom clearly divided the same type of vote(It's the same IMO) by ignoring all of toog's and calling me on mine. That's when i noticed he also reacted when i first mentioned STD, so i called him out for it.

My theory is that Malcom saw a wagon starting to get formed on his scum buddy and is trying to deflect it. I am a juicy target because i put up a vote with no case and my skill level is lacking compared to most people in the roster.

1. I think it was the use of the word "lEgItImAtElY" which yeah it does come off like that now that I think about it lmao, but I wasn't emotional when making that post

2. I feel like the difference is Pooky and Toog have been naked voting a lot of people this game, so it's kinda just a thing that I would expect everyone to... expect.

3. "Out of frustration for toog's attitude i emulated fencesitting myself" - See if you didn't say this, I wouldn't really get 705 as without this, it just looks really strange. It makes sense though with 255 you made on Toog. I wouldn't call Toog's play this game fencesitting, would just call it lazy. I wouldn't say Pooky is fencesitting either, I think it's the incorrect term for all this anyways, I don't really have too much to say about Pooky, I can explain why their vote on big chungus probs wasn't random and I have already speculated on their vote on me.

4. So I see where your theory is kinda coming from, but I also see 260 and then that makes me not so sure. Someone sticking their neck out like this with no traction on STD at that time is a really odd move if both are w/w but I suppose it is possible, MT is newer I think.

5. I will tell you this, you have more experience then me, I didn't even know about forum mafia until like last year, my exposure when you joined the site was Town of Salem lol.

[Cape90]

What does this stand for?

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UNVOTE: Charloux

Not feeling this vote anymore

Enchant is kinda just like the other games I have played with Enchant so I do not know how to actually read that slot at all

[Cape90]

Enchant is kinda just like the other games I have played with Enchant so I do not know how to actually read that slot at all

Counterpoint this other game Enchant has been a part of which contradicts everything I just said: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=88671

VOTE: Enchant

Easiest mafia game of my life

[Cape90]

you know for a fact that my townplay is not 1 dimensional and depends on how the game goes so this is just more fluffed up shit to make a push on me happen

Bruh
I would still rather vote out Fenrir for info

Fenrir? Seriously?

[Cape90]

gamma is doing a scum tactic where he pushes me hard, gets people to sheep, and is now backing off so that he can wipe his hands clean of the damage while being the primary reason that my slot is even on the table.


most of the arguments against my slot have boiled down to "dont like playstyle" and "policy", if argument is even provided, both of which are frankly barely applicable here and are meant to distract from facts.

frogster and gamma are so painfully obviously paired it is like a big red sign that says "mafia here"

yes because people will easily sheep voting fenrir and there would be no trouble with that

[Cape90]

people please answer: why do people townread gamma/frog?

I feel like Gamma is still towny for what it is worth 367 kinda stands as one point of this, as it looks like Gamma is agreeing with Frogsterking talking about how they are

annoying

enough to stop a proper towncore from forming as scum.

The kind of revisit that Gamma does 273 and 359 seem like something I would do as town where I would comment on a post twice since you are responding to one point of it, then going on to another point later. To me, scum usually have more thought out posts to where they respond to everything in a single post.

Also v i b e s and I know MS players hate that. Eat it

I was looking over Frogsterking's scum game, I played a large game with him, I do not think this is it, he usually has more of a tunnelly game, I get different feelings this game.

Frogster went from calling me maybe town, to scum, to light town, to obvious town

I don't see this progression from his scum game, just kinda seemed like there was TMI that I was town lol

He is a really good scum, fooled me once.

It felt like in his scum game he was projecting more.

[Cape90]

Ive seen you break down

and basically throw at least twice

, so no

what do you consider throwing?

[Cape90]

frogster is exhibiting scum behavior where he does not have a real read on me. He is creating a conclusion and trying to work backwards from it. This is what less experienced scum will slip up on often and why analyzing people's pushes is effective at finding mafia. Look at how frog pushes my slot - and look at how he justifies it, look at how he does it with maria as well. There is no genuine progression.

Hes just arbitrarily determined to find my slot as scum because i am inconvenient in the gamestate as I am pushing his slot

. He has scrambled to find reasoning but as my play has been actually towny thus far it falls flat.

I think I recall frogster accusing someone of flailing earlier - i think that accusation was projection.

[Cape90]

FYI Chungus, trolls are often more effective when it isn't obvious what they're doing, you remind me of grade school too much to get a rise out of me. Have a good night and good luck pooping up the thread.

I'm not the one shitting up thread by posting random reads without reasoning.

Feel free to actually rebut with a proper argument and we can talk tho

preliminary Thoughts: at least one of maria/frog are mafia. Neri feels subdued but i wont push it just based on that bc i like them like this and prefer it that way

VOTE: frog

Whether for the reasons presented or not so far I think Maria looks quite scummy here. There's a cagey defensiveness to some of their posts after being accused which vibes with me as scum trying to clear their name but not wanting to look overly desperate but panicky while doing so.

I think Fennec vs Frog is TvT. Fennec very much feels like they're thinking out loud in the thread in a townie way, while I find Frog's play can be quite erratic but engaged when they are town. I'm not particularly seeing strong scum motivation from either of them at the moment.

on a frogs wolf flip, this is almost certainly a partner

also it took you this long to actually present a concrete scumread that you have had this whole time

*insert self-report image

[Cape90]

I also thought frog was off early but after he started pushing Claire it felt like that wasn’t the case anymore

who's claire?

who came from planet claire?

[Cape90]

Cape is probably town for townbinning me based on questionable logic.

Frogsterking - "I may or may not post my survey start"

Gamma Emerald - Comment on elaborating something later.

Speaking of moving the game forward, cape can you justify townleaning these two above in some way that makes it seem like you

didn't

just throw a bunch of names together?

I find posting about posting the survey start thing to be completely pointless if you are mafia here as that part can easily be left out. It felt like random insecurity over... nothing which to me says towny concern.

As far as the read on Gamma, I guess it shows this thing I see town usually do to where they would have these "secret" reads on people that they want to share

later

. I just hardly see mafia do this.

Okay.

I think Cape is probably telling the truth, so kind of a free sort for me considering I didn't have them in my "can read" pile.

Fennec prob town though. Scum might try to avoid breaking site rules, yeah?

I agree.

Do you think I'm jumping ahead of myself as far as cape goes?

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?

I'm going to go ahead and Town read Gamma with

very low

certainty for asking a question which seems unlikely to be scum motivated.

PEdit

I'm going to go ahead and flip my read on Cape

VOTE: Cape

been playing a lot of turbo style games recently so I think it's that :p

I don't believe you, sorry.

I played thousands of hours on EM and I never had an impulse to instantly go "oh damn these 4 people are Town for xyz" unless I was scum.

why is being swayed by nero even a bad thing?

Do Cape and I look TvT yes or no?

What's up with the random nero shade, Cape? What was the impetus for that?

Sirrhett, do you have any reads other than fennec and cape?

UNVOTE: cape VOTE: crescent

For something something. Also, based on 75.

Okay for 75 of all things though?

I'm Reading back, and I think i'm gonna for now, unvote. I'm gonna wait for some more posts to roll in, everyone to do some posts, then get some better reads. I'm starting to feel very unsure about them, and I need to see more posts by everyone and the others not posting to just damn post. Because of time zones, that is probably tomorrow for me.
UNVOTE: Cape

Smart choice!

Also while Cape still feels dodgy, I'm starting to feel that dodginess about some other people, But i'm probably paranoid. I'm gonna wait out the hours, see the next hundred posts and more people to place some stuff before i'll be talkin and doin things. I need to think through this a little more and need some more stuff to work with.

I agree Cape appeared dodgy and I think it was because he was reacting defensively under pressure. I think you, Cape and I are probably Town with

low certainty

.

You unvoted instead of getting trapped in a tunnel, so props to you for recognizing that. What do you think about my points against Nero in 144?

Players I can read well:

Gamma Emerald -- Not sure where his head is at right now. Town?
Nero Cain -- Scum. Outside Townrange.
Greeting -- Not sure/maybe scum/instincts hope Town
KittyTacky -- Town
Crescent -- AWOL
PookyTheMagicalBear -- Maybe scum/maybe has a good read on Greeting

Updated.

I think marci, cape, sirrhett, charloux and fennec are town with

low

certainty.

I'm glad to see Fennec is voting Nero. I'm

low

pushing

moderate

certainty this is a scum flip.

Town:

• Gamma
  Kitty
  Marci
  Cape
  Sirrhet
  Charloux
  Fennec

Scum:

• Nero

If Crescent is Town I suggest they demonstrate that by using my PoE as a starting point and showing where they can improve on the sorting.

Save the Dragons/Marci/Char
Fen/Cape
.
Pooky/Gamma
Nero/Frog

I go lay down now have fun

Bingo. This is what I was fishing for. It will come in handy tomorrow.

VOTE: Maria

We can hammer Maria now IMO.

Can you elaborate on why Maria is scum? I don't super get Maria's take in 245 calling my posts

not

fuzzy so it's easy not to like it? I feel like the opposite applies more but alright. Then also kinda says the same thing about me in 285.

Would also like to point out that in Fennec's scum world, if I were to be mafia, the other suspicions that Fennec has had have been quite vocal about me

I think I probably hit wrong on Nero and she's been trying to feed the fire there. The rest of her reads she pulled out of thin air and I dislike seeing pooky as a scum lean (distancing) and dragon sliding all the way up into town reads for a single horrible post.

Town!dragon can tell Cape is obvtown for example

.

One of the only hang ups I have with the slot of Frogsterking is their progression on me, I mean look

[Cape90]

Also, a big reason I slipped through the cracks in that game is because there were people like Chungus (fua for example, and that guy who got removed for being racist or something) picking fights with Town after Town and making it REALLY easy to hide.

1. So you are comparing Chungus too... other town that game??

2. The other person you are referring to was naughty in another game, and not the game u were maf in

[Cape90]

Cape do you still think save is out of their scum range

idk probably not.

[Cape90]

i don't really know what to think right now

i at first didn't like MT's catch up because it just seemed like an easy MarieR suspicion. He could be white knighting me but it's hard to want to vote someone who's reading me correctly literally at this very moment

I feel like this is a towny take given nobody else said this about MT's catch up

Like it's disappointing when people aren't even willing to engage and just want to vote you for dumb reasons

I don't understand what I'm supposed to do if people won't read what I'm saying I mean that's all I can do I can say stuff and people are like "herp derp you voted for one of your announced scumreads that's suspicious"

Like let's have a debate let's talk about stuff tell me what's really driving the scumread. Too many people voting me are doing so without acknowledging anything I'm saying

Like why am I even trying

I think this defense is towny but I am very easily pocketed by this style of posting

[Cape90]

you know for a fact that my townplay is not 1 dimensional and depends on how the game goes so this is just more fluffed up shit to make a push on me happen

Bruh
I would still rather vote out Fenrir for info

Fenrir? Seriously?

Okay I thought Fennec was Fenrir oops lmao

[Cape90]

VOTE: Enchant

BGC and Dragons might be a scum v scum cross so I'd prefer if you read their isos and see if you dislike either enough to vote.

PEdit

Same

I haven't really read anything yet. but Enchant sus!

based

[Cape90]

furtive really went to prove he is "townie", even wasted time to color this shit out, but not to explain these.

die

VOTE: furtive

you seemed more productive in the Micro game I played with you and this and

maybe

StD are literally your only voiced reads this game

[Cape90]

That's hilarious this site bans good players when they get put on tilt by trolls or players who are aggressively anti town for *whatever reason* they play that way. Why not ban the trolls/aggressively anti town players instead? Or at least delegate them to certain games only. I don't think NM counts as a troll or aggressively anti town because he doesn't intentionally disrupt the people who are actively solving in the thread, like Chungus has been doing since he replaced in.

With my approach you cultivate a community more people in general want to play in over time? Instead of less people?

L-O-L

It's probably because BCG wasn't calling Gamma names if I had to guess

[Cape90]

Fennec was town guys.

I'm pretty sure anyway

I mean, I would hope so lmao

I agree slightly with your takes, like I can see StD to like a slight degree but am I crazy about Maria/Charloux/self vote as a wagon on someone? No

Now that BCG is seemingly trying, I think the takes from them are okay looking, like at least they are there. I am gonna assume that if BCG is town, then StD is low-confidence town based on 908/909.
Also LOL on Frogsterking apparently blowing up IC in a game?? Reminds me of this turbo game where I was this mafia dayvig and I accidently shot mafia instead of the PR mafia were telling me to shoot.

[Cape90]

Fennec was town guys.

I'm pretty sure anyway

I mean, I would hope so lmao

I agree slightly with your takes, like I can see StD to like a slight degree but am I crazy about Maria/Charloux/self vote as a wagon on someone? No

Now that BCG is seemingly trying, I think the takes from them are okay looking, like at least they are there. I am gonna assume that if BCG is town, then StD is low-confidence town based on 908/909.
Also LOL on Frogsterking apparently blowing up IC in a game?? Reminds me of this turbo game where I was this mafia dayvig and I accidently shot mafia instead of the PR mafia were telling me to shoot.

EBWOP: "hope you know this"

[Cape90]

Fennec was town guys.

I'm pretty sure anyway

I mean, I would hope so lmao

I agree slightly with your takes, like I can see StD to like a slight degree but am I crazy about Maria/Charloux/self vote as a wagon on someone? No

Now that BCG is seemingly trying, I think the takes from them are okay looking, like at least they are there. I am gonna assume that if BCG is town, then StD is low-confidence town based on 908/909.
Also LOL on Frogsterking apparently blowing up IC in a game?? Reminds me of this turbo game where I was this mafia dayvig and I accidently shot mafia instead of the PR mafia were telling me to shoot.

You're town reading scum here but I don't care because I'm pretty sure you scum read greeting?

I find it pretty odd that 2 scum are on different wagons at the same time on a regular game but whatever you say, especially with one of these supposed scum self voting
I would expect a play akin to jumping the gun over there if StD was scum, but I suppose that's speculation on my end

[Cape90]

cape r u a simp

unfortunately not, why?

I mean, I am gullible, but not a simp

[Cape90]

Fennec was town guys.

I'm pretty sure anyway

I mean, I would hope so lmao

I agree slightly with your takes, like I can see StD to like a slight degree but am I crazy about Maria/Charloux/self vote as a wagon on someone? No

Now that BCG is seemingly trying, I think the takes from them are okay looking, like at least they are there. I am gonna assume that if BCG is town, then StD is low-confidence town based on 908/909.
Also LOL on Frogsterking apparently blowing up IC in a game?? Reminds me of this turbo game where I was this mafia dayvig and I accidently shot mafia instead of the PR mafia were telling me to shoot.

You're town reading scum here but I don't care because I'm pretty sure you scum read greeting?

I do
In fact
VOTE: Greeting
Thanks for reminding me
636 and 708 give me the shivers.
Greeting put a good deal of effort into scum reading you (423/425) (425 is interesting given this next part). Only to say 709 later about the Crescent/BCG slot later.
Even in a Frogster/BCG T/T world Greeting being mafia makes sense.
I also find 979 interesting because Greeting townreading Fennec is not the story he went with earlier (356 and 362[/post/][post]363)

[Cape90]

Fennec was town guys.

I'm pretty sure anyway

I mean, I would hope so lmao

I agree slightly with your takes, like I can see StD to like a slight degree but am I crazy about Maria/Charloux/self vote as a wagon on someone? No

Now that BCG is seemingly trying, I think the takes from them are okay looking, like at least they are there. I am gonna assume that if BCG is town, then StD is low-confidence town based on 908/909.
Also LOL on Frogsterking apparently blowing up IC in a game?? Reminds me of this turbo game where I was this mafia dayvig and I accidently shot mafia instead of the PR mafia were telling me to shoot.

You're town reading scum here but I don't care because I'm pretty sure you scum read greeting?

I do
In fact
VOTE: Greeting
Thanks for reminding me
636 and 708 give me the shivers.
Greeting put a good deal of effort into scum reading you (423/425) (425 is interesting given this next part). Only to say 709 later about the Crescent/BCG slot later.
Even in a Frogster/BCG T/T world Greeting being mafia makes sense.
I also find 979 interesting because Greeting townreading Fennec is not the story he went with earlier (356 and 362[/post/][post]363)

362

363

good job me

[Cape90]

cape r u a simp

unfortunately not, why?

I mean, I am gullible, but not a simp

u should totally simp me and vote dragons

what do u think of 848?

[Cape90]

marci, am I still shady uwu?

[Cape90]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13442655

you decide if frogs is full of shit or not - I think its not an honest claim he is making about me, and he should probably be policied for trolling (: (and also just in general being scummy + lying to advance pushes)

if this even is you, you are extremely different that game

Something I feel is up since you just very conveniently pulled that up

[Cape90]

what's odd is that ..

you have never played with professordrapion

, so it makes no sense for you to assume I am them either. That's another strike mr frog, but even though you've been struck out for a while

also, for someone with 5000+ posts I am surprised you know every game that ProfessorDrapion and Frogsterking are involved in

[Cape90]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13442655

you decide if frogs is full of shit or not - I think its not an honest claim he is making about me, and he should probably be policied for trolling (: (and also just in general being scummy + lying to advance pushes)

if this even is you, you are extremely different that game

Something I feel is up since you just very conveniently pulled that up

it isn't me, "conveniently"?
go look at drapion's completed games. there's like 3 of them. all i did was pull up their profile and look for games, it isn't "convenient"

u ok dude?

your logic is usually better in games

I guess this is evidence to support that you aren't that person since I am very unfamiliar with that name and yet you [post=seem]seem[/post] familiar with me apparently

Also I didn't take in to account you could press that view their topics button
Also I was thinking that if you were not ProfessorDrapion that you were at least in that game you pulled up with them
If you are them, you are just mafia but skimming through the logs makes me think you pretty different from each other, like Drapion I would say "typical playstyle" if I had to classify that.

My logic this game has been on par with my usual game

Frogsterking is being really weird right now, I don't know why they are seemingly trolling and not answering your question of when have you been trolling and letting everyone else say something on that

I think it's clear you aren't now, you were just tryna do the whole alt thing I guess and people assumed troll because username + blanket scumreads at start

They legit have 0 reason to be lolcatting. Don't know what it means, if town, they just wanna be rude, if mafia they are being cocky

[Cape90]

I might know BCG

might

uh I will research brb

[Cape90]

I might know BCG

might

uh I will research brb

please dont out me ! thx in advance

i won't

though obviously I am unsure, but I think who I am thinking of checks out

If I end up heavily townreading you for meta reasons and you get a strong wagon, I miiiiiiiiiiiight but that is not now

[Cape90]

Cape read ProfessorDrapion's D1 ISO from Lost.

I have the game pulled up, wish me luck
also the request to keep it a secret doesn't line up at all with it even being them

[Cape90]

ill prove to cape im not drapion

scumbug den

proof taken, lines up

not sure it makes you towny based off meta yet, but lips sealed

when you first popped into the thread what made Frogsterking scummy then at that point?

[Cape90]

I suppose I will post content that actually matters (okay I said this then rambled about Frogsterking)

1. I am very sure that KittyTacky is town pushing on BCG. Like, Frogsterking is dipping a bit in my reads for me, I guess the alt guess was amusing, again, didn't play like that lost game where PD was town as an update to that pointless endeavor (unless alt idk), but yeah KittyTacky I know is pushing in good faith. 1102 and that whole thing seems towny and the point is worth considering. In the world where BCG is town and Frogsterking is scum (the world that looks worst for KittyTacky), still pretty confident (like 70%) this slot is town

2. Pretty much every post from 839 up makes me think Charloux is just town here. Highlights include the unofficial VC and unvoting StD out of feeling annoyed. Okay maybe not 1030 only because I feel like the foundation of that suspicion is rather weak.

3. Titus is in their scum meta and slowly drifting from their town meta.

[Cape90]

ill prove to cape im not drapion

scumbug den

proof taken, lines up

not sure it makes you towny based off meta yet, but lips sealed

when you first popped into the thread what made Frogsterking scummy then at that point?

felt like a shell of what i normally attribute to frogster essentially. no passion or fire in their play

Noted

[Cape90]

On the fence
Frogsterking certainly feels like a drifty pocketer this game

I don't really have a strong case on them

They feel similarish to towngame here

Topic: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682
ISO: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13471385

Minus the parts that are all like 1061 type posts

1. So you are comparing Chungus too... other town that game??

2. The other person you are referring to was naughty in another game, and not the game u were maf in

Yeah I'm drawing an analogy, if chungus is town then scum probably breathe a sigh of relief when they see his play.

Also, you see what you are saying here Frog right?
Scum are legitimately seeing it

right now

if Chungus is town what do you mean

when

?

[Cape90]

Sorry for all these spammy and pedantic postings, but Big Chungus Gaming

What do you think about my case on Greeting? 996

I also ask because I think a scum Frogsterking world looks better for Greeting via 982/983/984/988/1003

oh and 620 is funny

Greeting's alleged tilt at me for

not engaging with Chungus in good faith

okay to be fair, he did compile a readslist for Chungus when asked, but I just was surprised Chungus didn't backread as Frogsterking has made multiple lists, even at that point on his reads.

[Cape90]

Oh, Big Chungus is DKKoba

Congratulations I guess

[Cape90]

Spoiler:

v] StD [/v]

meh

VOTE: Save the dragons

Kek

VOTE: Frog [/v[
la la la

All this nonsense

VOTE: Frog

Let's go to night

My thoughts right now:
1)Fuck this game. Like seriously fuck this game.
2)The votes on greeting are stagnated, so assuming that flips scum, the ones on it rn would be close to conf town imo.

We're u gonna comment on the blank vote things by Maria?

[Cape90]

I don't know that I understand the case on greeting

Careful wording. What made you choose these words? You could have said 'why Greeting'?

Careful? They contradicted their statements on many occasions, but I will be patient with the slot as it's probably the move for now

UNVOTE: Greeting

If I haven't done so already

[Cape90]

I don't know that I understand the case on greeting

Careful wording. What made you choose these words? You could have said 'why Greeting'?

this is just how i fucking talk

what the fuck is this

If people are gonna read that post as AI of all things I swear

It's a normal post

[Cape90]

Oh, Big Chungus is DKKoba

Congratulations I guess

Like if this is Koba and you know that and you can't tell they are scum then I don't think you understand how Koba plays D1 at all.

No I actually do not know their meta, it just made sense to me though

[Cape90]

Oh, Big Chungus is DKKoba

Congratulations I guess

Like if this is Koba and you know that and you can't tell they are scum then I don't think you understand how Koba plays D1 at all.

Frogster: this is scum. Why? Trust me bro i have a process. Whats the process? No clue.

People still falling for obvious scum tricks of just bluffing their way through.

there is one thing I know now, I am wrong for calling you TvT. I think it's one of you fwiw now

[Cape90]

Koba if I went 4/4 on D1 with you trolling me like this you're going to award me medal of Changeling Hunter.

Can't be koba. BCG's sentences have capitalization and punctuation.

Dun dun dun

[Cape90]

i honestly kinda thinking froggie x chungus is tvt

and im not impressed by alisae so far

the way they seem so adamant about each other's metas being so different this game just makes me think that one of them is mafia since they are both not really lining up with meta, frogster lines up more then Big Chungus, though generously, I would point out that it's quite literally an alt named big chungus gaming. I have literally been back and forth in my head about this whole dumb situation in my head so many times with these 2 that it just makes sense that one is evil.

And then I am like

VOTE: Alisae

Looks like they have kinda given up and don't want to try to play

E-1 i think??? could be E-2

If BCG is evil, can't wait for them to tell everyone the next day how it was "really a bus guys". Okay I expect BCG to have this position anyways when Alisae flips scum, but in my head it sounds like a scum POV

[Cape90]

Alisae did it to themselves, they did, and that's why it really hurts

[Cape90]

I have absolutely nothing to say this SOD cuz game is slow as molasses

[Cape90]

I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.

Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.

What's IIoA?

Information instead of analysis. MT doesn't say anything about what he thinks the night kill actually reflects, he just points out that it's a factor and leaves it hanging as some kind of implied counterpoint against Kitty's case being "spot on."

Pedit

I don't like him going after Charloux here either.

VOTE: Malcolm

I want Big Chungus dead D3 especially if this flips scum.

your voting malcolm after all that?

lol maybe you are just mafia

[Cape90]

people are scumreading malcolm at this SOD of all SOD's he has easily had the towniest start so far to the day like ??????????

disappointed if one of frog/furtive are town

and i think at least 1 is

[Cape90]

anyways im dinnering and then sleeping

I forget some things in the game but im like way tired, even when SOD started

[Cape90]

okay back from being tired and grumpy lol

so why did I find Malcolm coming into today to be towny

1. Almost instantly doubling his post count from the other day. At this rate, he will surpass his day 1, and I frankly hope he does.
2. Solving looked earnest enough, I suppose you can call it sidelining, also say that he should have read up at night versus today.
3. The way Malcolm responded to Frogsterking here (1244)
4. Seems like consistent worldview with beliefs on StD at least.
5. I had the same thought as Malcolm did with the KittyTacky night kill (1225). My personal opinion is if mafia really wanted to protect BCG, why not kill Frogsterking? KittyTacky was more level-headed in their attack on BCG then Frogsterking was, and mafia like mayhem in town, though I suppose I could see this as Kitty was more widely townread then Frogsterking was (at least by myself and mafia knowing I am town, would probably want to keep Frogsterking around maybe for this reason alone).

[Cape90]

what is even happening with the Frogster and BCG slot by the way?

Why is Frogsterking saying we are winning? We haven't killed mafia yet what do you mean sir?

[Cape90]

VOTE: furtiveglance

based on today, it really extremely feels like this is correct

[Cape90]

this whole game feels like RWSTFO when I feel like that also isn't the case? you know

[Cape90]

one thing I really do not get is the 180s happening this game

I get BCG 180ing on Frogsterking I suppose

But the other way around when BCG hardly posted? Why?

StD saying he was wrong on me?

I can see the StD suspicion as day 1, it looked like StD was laying the suspicion on thick 857/918/919 like this is a lot of people through 3 posts.

Then just calling any suspicion on him garbage kinda becoming this antagonistic boogeyman of the game.

Random thought but I think Not_Mafia is slightly towny

Please don't do this. I can move my vote. I can change!

This response to me felt weird, like are you TMIing me as town?

[Cape90]

I also find Pooky to probably be towny as well

[Cape90]

Marcistat has been strange, but I don't think in a scummy way, like they suspected me, but then proceeded to push furtiveglance like... off of me?

[Cape90]

I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble.

1. You aren't helping matters today
2. I think Pooky's general thought process through their simple posts looks towny, perhaps surface level towny, but still. 689 is like, why would mafia care about this unless Malcolm was also wolf. Suspicion on Crescent seems rand>town. I think 590 shows an interest to at least look at my posts

[Cape90]

okay this sounds like a non serious argument between like 2 friends tbh

[Cape90]

im just here wondering what happened to the WIM of furtive

[Cape90]

Frogsterking, what do you think of marcistar?

[Cape90]

im just here wondering what happened to the WIM of furtive

That was Fennec, I'm me.

you were solving a lot when you came in, said you were gonna elaborate on your reads later, ended up kinda not doing so. Also marcistar is quite literally at the top of your readslist you posted day 1, AKA 922

you have explained your scumreads somewhat but never really touched on really anything else

[Cape90]

im just here wondering what happened to the WIM of furtive

That was Fennec, I'm me.

you were solving a lot when you came in, said you were gonna elaborate on your reads later, ended up kinda not doing so. Also marcistar is quite literally at the top of your readslist you posted day 1, AKA 922

you have explained your scumreads somewhat but never really touched on really anything else

Cape you’re one of the top posters and I want to see a summary of where you’re coming from. I see an abscence of consolidation around you and you’re a hyper poster (comparatively) and I want to find out why.

I think my lack of consolidation has to do with my playstyle in combination with having like a lot of scum candidates all at once flying through my head.

As for you, I feel like I would struggle to read a playstyle like yours without meta knowledge and the last game we played together is kind of a blur in this regard. Though predecessor makes me lean town on you, as for Not_Mafia

When Frogsterking seems like one of the helpfulest players in the game, but I still see a world in which they are scum. This game is just kind of a struggle to solidify townreads for me, I mean, mafia legit just killed probably my strongest town candidate after day 1 so I suppose that part makes sense about the kill.

MariaR is a odd slot who's latest posts feel a bit tipsy? I think they handled the Gamma slot in a possibly towny progression type of way. I just wish they would come back and play.

Enchant I cannot even tell at all.

Furtive has been strange but I also feel eh about voting them, it feels like this game is also just really low WIM and it's kinda been draining me.

Not_Mafia I do not have a good reason to townread just yet, but for some reason I feel he is town.

The best way I can describe marcistar and how she has been playing is a bit confusing and has me on the fence.

I cannot tell on Titus either, she hasn't provided enough content wise to the table

Big Chungus Gaming more like Big Step Down from day 1. VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

The fact I feel like StD has been relatively towny this day comparatively to some slots says a lot about the apathy of this game thread that I hope will change. I could see the frustration that StD has as towny and I feel like I may have exaggerated when I called him an antagonistic boogeyman LMAO.

[Cape90]

Elaborating on thoughts on MathBlade since I suppose that was vague

Their solving so far has felt very direct and to the point, there isn't much in the way of "okay guys im backreading everything" or whatever, just kinda is just like

Oh well you post a lot, tell me stuff

Or something like, oh you are another high poster, you say we should get this slot, so lets do this, idk why ur not getting this. Kitty wanted it when they died.

Like I guess that's the TLDR of his treatment of me and Frog's slots

There is an absence of really wanting to solve immediately, to rush things presumably for info without really developing reads or what have you's at least not ones that are said out loud.

I think it is an atypical playstyle to I would say most players.

i could see it as scummy, I could see it as towny, hence my meta comment.

Also MathBlade, do check 871 and 734 from schadd when it comes to your concerns about BCG wagon.

While you could argue that the vote wasn't really "run up" no votes actually were day 1. They were kinda split up until the last second where Alisae died (Greeting)

[Cape90]

Cape can be scum...

I mean, I can be
But I'm not this game

[Cape90]

Sorry, I know I'm flaking content-wise which I never usually do. This game has a few fairly high content players I have no familiarity with - Cape90, BCG and now Mathblade. You could maybe put Maria in there but they don't post so much. It makes the game as a whole quite opaque since I don't even have the basic starting point of sorting in the microcosm of a few big characters. So my plan was to vote lurky/low content slots instead. But now I'm leaning towards MathBlade's conclusion that the louder group has scum in and voting in there is good for town. These are just my general thoughts.

No one's really hopped on marci, I'll sheep what I believe is a loud town in MathBlade

VOTE: BigChungusGaming

Just gonna point out that
1. Me and Frogsterking are kinda townread by Math, moreso Frogsterking.
2. Big Chungus kinda got real quiet today

[Cape90]

either I am watching from the sides and doing nothing or I am taking shots and committing to reads. Can't be both.

By the way, I don't think this is what Maria means by taking shots. Taking shots =/= commiting to reads.

I think Maria is referring to maybe just putting blind suspicions out there as I guess "shots in the dark" to see what sticks

[Cape90]

I feel like MT has contributed a lot I'm confused why people think he didn't

I think I'd go for a MariaR wagon still I do not understand why people let up the gas on that one

Titus isn't really doing anything

I dunno where BCG went

Mathblade does seem town but I didn't like his predecessor

I feel like if pooky were scum he'd be doing more or having some gimmick he does seem a little lackluster this game maybe I'm not sure what that means about his alignment

Fennec was pretty town and furtive hasn't done anything to change my mind on that

Yeah MT I think still comes across as towny, I like the way they treated your slot and also there were a lot easier pot shots then Maria.

I wouldn't mind killing Maria either but I got distracted.

Yes

Also yes

Math seems towny I think and Charloux was also towny in him responding to me when I pressured him.

Pooky read here is kind of whatever I guess. You could look at Toogeloo for this whole Gimmick argument.

Furtive has felt both solvy but yet kinda underwhelming with his content that isn't just vanilla reads.

[Cape90]

I don’t TR Frog at all!

That’s my priority list of death

I thought you said you would object to frog not long ago

[Cape90]

Spoiler:

vote count 2.3 !

furtiveglance (3):

Enchant, Cape90, marcistar

Save The Dragons (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Frogsterking

marcistar (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Save The Dragons, MathBlade

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

MathBlade (1):

Titus

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Toogeloo

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• prodding mariar & big chungus gaming

I'm fine Townblocking Cape, Enchant, MT, Toogle and Titus in no particular order, and pseudo-townblocking marci and BGC contingent on how the next couple of Days play out. It takes 8 to eliminate so I prefer the Townblock be voting together.

If any of you 7 have issues with anyone else I named then now is the time to fight it out rather than later.

I prefer to eliminate Dragons because I think they are being careful to make sure their ISO is mostly useless after they flip scum, and I want to test BGC to get a better guage for how full of shit they are.

Ha ha ha Toogle? That is the most random town blocking of someone I think I have seen

[Cape90]

Why is Enchant town blocked?
They have yet to really hit us with something juicy

[Cape90]

2) are you willing to vote together on Dragons today with the assumption that the players you're currently voting will still be in the PoE the next couple of Days?

I would lean no here actually, probably

[Cape90]

I guess if Save is a villager I'd raise an eyebrow a tad but if he's a wolf the likelihood of them both being a wolf goes down a lot. Maybe I should come to a better answer on Save's alignment, sure I'll put that on my todo list.
pedit:

pat pat

that's nice Titus

if save is a villager, then obviously both are not both wolves so lmao. Nice word soup?

[Cape90]

if save is a villager, then obviously both are not both wolves so lmao. Nice word soup?

maria is talking about Frogster and BCG

maybe this is why I should look before i speak

[Cape90]

I am looking at a BCG Frog Titus world atm

Titus just isn’t giving any solve or block or anything

And when I started poking at BGC Frog she voted me because “gasoline”?

She’s put more effort into not giving reads

The thing is, the way Titus is playing is not reminding me of her wolf game that I played in this other large game, it moreso makes me confused rather then "oh this means she is town".

[Cape90]

2) are you willing to vote together on Dragons today with the assumption that the players you're currently voting will still be in the PoE the next couple of Days?

I would lean no here actually, probably

Thank you for responding. What about pooky?

sorta maybe.

Do you think Toog's gimmick there is towny?

[Cape90]

I actually like this vote from Pooky, tbqh.

I feel like I kind of hamstrung myself earlier. How do we feel about U-turns on reads?

I think Pooky might be scum. How's that for a U-Turn?

okay this slot could be town

[Cape90]

thought Maria's entrance back was towny

BCG is like
come on man
Frogsterking is kind of meh to me to where it's hard for me to make heads or tails of the whole Frogster/MathBlade thing and I disagree that he is treating this like a "Scum PT"

[Cape90]

I will slow roll it since Pooky immediately got 3 votes on them, but I could see the blunt directness they display as scummy

[Cape90]

The thing is, the way Titus is playing is not reminding me of her wolf game that I played in this other large game, it moreso makes me confuse

We played in a large?

yeah, you were scum I was town https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987

[Cape90]

im an understanding less and less the reasons to suspect StD

[Cape90]

that's still like 3 things compared to your one thing of voting pooky

Voted =/= doing something.

okay cool i guess you've done nothing either then according to you?

I mean, yeah basically this is a self-report moment LOL

[Cape90]

VOTE: Titus

Not against still voting BCG, but I do want to take a bit of distance because of what they have said. Titus is hardly making a lot of sense to me right now. Like they aren't doing much while just pointing fingers at people who dare suspect her for being suspicious

[Cape90]

Frogster's progressions have made less and less sense to me

MathBlade hasn't responded to my point about Frogster, IE. 1514

[Cape90]

oh so pooky is town