hi, i'm large normal 242. you and i are day 6

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i apologize, something's kept me from having my head in the game, i will see how i'm feeling tonight and see if i can post something substantial.

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Hello.

scumpost ngl

Legit thought this lmao but I'm going to tell myself it's NAI

Slow start, wouldn't like spamming the thread too much but

Readslist:

marcistar - SBPC. Usual marci posts that make me smile.
Frogsterking - "I may or may not post my survey start"

Gamma Emerald - Comment on elaborating something later.
Charloux - Stands out in a way that I don't think mafia would, I guess.

The rest

I'm just glad I am here and not 9 pages behind like last large game lmao

Is that the one we were both in you're talking about? Nightmare flashbacks of trying to catch up with about 60 pages after D1 only to end up voted out D2 anyway.

Yes

I’ll explain in a bit

The Maria vote?

No that’s RVS
Why did you think I meant that?

I wasn't sure between the 2 things you pulled up today. I felt like the Charloux thing was self-explanatorily interesting. Hence my slightest TL on him.

Wow I hate this

I will place some ideas out, I think i can give cape a decent town read... like a Null leaning town. everyone else? i gotta read up more on their meta and the game needs to progress more. For now, I'll be gone for an hour, i just woke up.

I tr this and this is the second time marcistar and I have "mindmelded" maybe so i want to tr marcistar

I kind of like frogsterking so far but have no real evidence for it just a vibe

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

I usually find

early = town
later = scum

Is there a reason you’re making an exception for me then, assuming I’ve read this right?

We are not out of RVS

I townleaned you

early = town

this does not contradict any statement I made

thanks?
You feel defensive.

I don't get this it, tossing in the "defensive" thing feels a little weird I wouldn't characterize that post as being defensive it looks like it's correcting your error unless i'm even more confused than i thought

I originally tr MariaR but then thought those posts about everything being NAI was really safe to make so I don't know. I don't know why I'm sharing this

Kill it with fire!

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

also Nero's read is kinda bad too

I should scum read you?

discredit me more scumbutt

your "testing the waters" theory doesn't hold

WATER

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maybe you should look harder then?

then vote me chump

Throwing shade then start getting "violent" because you know you can't defend yourself using words. Looks pretty scummy to me

Also i think this avatar suits you better:

Spoiler:

you seem to accuse Nero of being scummy for his playstyle and then suggest he change his avatar which makes me think you know it's his playstyle you are attacking

Don't particularly understand all the early attention or the scumreads on Cape.

Nero has looked a bit more defensive but too early for anything on the level of a proper scumread on the slot so far.

this post is icky

Eh, the Greeting voters are a little sketch even if I am still not opposed there. For instance

VOTE: Toogeloo

I think Maria is town

Toog literally said they were sheeping pooky today. So if you want to target Toog you have to do it for that, not because you think greeting voters are sketch.

VOTE: Cape90

don't understand the movement away from Cape90 i don't think i've seen anything that's been particularly townie from them.

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Wow I hate this

only person who should hate me at least trying to push the game forwards is scum though

your reads just seem so fake sorry

I originally tr MariaR but then thought those posts about everything being NAI was really safe to make so I don't know. I don't know why I'm sharing this

What posts? You never quoted anything from Maria in this post

it's not that hard to look lol im talking about the first couple of posts

Glad to see out of the 100 posts almost none of them were that helpful given how objectively nai they were

Thank you for volunteering Maria.

Oh no.

Can you talk more about which posts you consider AI vs NAI?

Sigh

that's effort? Don't you know how lazy I am? Besides the obvious RVS votes that are just >rand on if you want to call them AI or not, I think most of the stuff said so far has a level of effort put in that on a baseline looks towny (because people TR effort a lot) but on the stuff that is AI in and of itself? Not much, I suppose the conversation about Nero was the most interesting thing said in the thread so far besides the busywork questions.

and dragon sliding all the way up into town reads for a single horrible post. Town!dragon can tell Cape is obvtown for example.

what is so horrible about it

i think it's pretty clear cape is not obvtown fite me irl about it

I hardly see Save The Dragons making posts like 281 which made me inclined to throw a premature townread there

That's why he did it. I was excited too until I actually read 281. Are you still opposed to voting Maria or w.e?

i'm a little confused. not to take away from people tring me, but i feel like it's a pretty standard catchup post. i'm probably going to be behind all game due to my job i don't really get internet at work on my phone and don't want to use my office computer to play mafia

Fennec is so town it's adorable, really confused about suspicion there. i'm liking frogsterking less and less from his weird attack of me that lacks substance to his conversation with fennec that seems like posting just to post garbage

For example, my fine feathered friend, you may have noticed exhibit A:

but I understand people TR things easier than I do.

Save the Dragons/Marci/Char
Fen/Cape
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Pooky/Gamma
Nero/Frog

I go lay down now have fun

A contradiction in the number of Townreads they listed vs the number they should have were they sorting the thread organically.

There is no way, you are going to come into the thread and say "I made this one post to try and make Maria scumread me therefore showing that she is a wolf" because you weren't trying to do that and the fact you're trying to claim that is beyond silly, I don't think it'd take anyone more than two seconds to see how that's doesn't happen.

Now the post above me? Just because I made the statement: "people tr things easier than I do" does not mean I cannot have townreads made in the thread overtime. What you're pointing out isn't even a contradiction you're trying to paint it as this blanket statement that if Maria doesn't have more wolfreads than scumreads that statement is false.

Either you're reaching so hard that you've convinced yourself that I am a wolf with such wacky reasoning without even considering why this stuff can come from a villager or you're just a wolf trying to paint anything possible into a wolfread.

I'll let the thread figure out what.

I don't love this post

You answered your own question.

The other half of my post got swallowed by the abyss it seems

you're breaking up frogster's posts so he can't just monologue endlessly about what kind of cereal he had in the morning

R/murderedbywords

There is a lot to comment on, i'm just too lazy right now. The first thing i would need to do is go back and see scum!frog games and maria's recent games...
Maybe i should just sheep someone and be done with it *sigh*

this is vapid could be posting just to post

Town:

Gamma
Kitty
Marci
Cape
Sirrhet
Charloux
Fennec

Null:
Nero


Scum:

MariaR

Updated 4 Big Chungus

Greeting, Pooky, Dragons and Big Chungus are a bit dodgy but I'll need to think about where they go. I think I scraped one more Townread together but I can't remember where it came from.

now i'm dodgy? i dunno if your story is consistant there pal

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Gamma Emerald - not sure yet
Nero Cain - seems town
Frogsterking - leaning scum
alcolmTucker - slight scumread but i think i always scumread him so i'm trying to be a little more wary
Greeting - something about their tone felt off but i'm mostly okay with them
KittyTacky - need more but seems okay for now
Big Chungus Gaming/Crescent - need more
Save The Dragons - that's me!
Fennec - town town town
PookyTheMagicalBear - i feel like if pooky were scum i would have noticed by now
Cape90 - scum
SirRhett - who
Toogeloo - i'm not sure what to make of them just sheeping pooky but it's probably not outside their town range
Charloux - little wary
marcistar - town
MariaR - i guess i'm leaning scum here too

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Do people really think scum!toog was like "I'm going to not try today and announce this fact in my second post"

Cuz I don't

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what’s the case on MT here?

Nothing more than the usual Mislim Target reasoning unless I missed something.

VOTE: Dragons

This should be the D1 flip though IMO, Dragons ISO is hands down the worst in this game. I thought about this game during the shutdown and I think Dragons is likely to be a scum flip with Greeting chainsawing me over him. I'm even open to being wrong on every single one of my previous scum reads except my Dragon read really. Greeting I think is probably scum but maybe I'm wrong and they're having an off game or something, Chungus/Pooky being troll could be NAI and Maria falsely accused is a thing.

I'd rank these players in terms of dodginess, highest-to-lowest:

Dragons, Greeting, Chungus, Pooky, Maria,

For real though, Dragons needs to be one of the main wagons today, and if he flips scum then I'm probably pushing Greeting tomorrow.

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Maybe a better visual way to organize what I'm saying:

Null: Maria + a handful of others I'll have to reread

Scum lean/mild suspicion: Chungus, Pooky

Low certainty scum read: Greeting

Moderate certainty scum read: Dragons

your case is wishy washy, all over the place, and untrue. it feels like you decided i'm scum and are just coming up with more and more reasons to pigeonhole me into this mindset. i think you've confirmbiased yourself and need to reset and actually consider what's been put out vs. decided i'm low content and therefore must be scum.

i don't know why you think i'm dodgy, i don't think i've been dodgy at all. i've given my reads my way and have been pretty clear about them.

most of this post is blustering and not an actual case and i'm not sure what you're hoping to gain from this, it almost seems like you're being dodgy especially since someone asked you a question about me and you get distracted by someone else:

yeah but what abt it is bad?

Are you talking about Dragon's ISO?

yes

also side note can we PLEASE do something about rhett idk if they forgot abt the game but their iso is so annoying i kinda wanna vote it

What's bothering you about rhett?

when you do answer you give this:

yeah but what abt it is bad?

Are you talking about Dragon's ISO?

yes

also side note can we PLEASE do something about rhett idk if they forgot abt the game but their iso is so annoying i kinda wanna vote it

What's bothering you about rhett?

Dragons is a good example of the kind of low effort scum slot trying to coast by which can get picked off D1.

Dragons ISO is a low activity slot with a couple biggish "catchup" posts that are super hedgey and refuse to state any clear stances or analysis on most players. These posts which are supposed to appear Townie are easy to write as scum, and his top 2 scum reads are obv town slots (cape and I.) I'm reading a purely survivalistic motivation from Dragon which I'm not reading from any other slot, however annoying some of them may be.

Okay, I'm not low effort. I'm a little sparse because i'm busy but not low effort. It takes a lot of work to catch up from being behind 10 pages. Toog is low effort. Sir Rhett is low effort. Me, I've been here. So why me over other people who are actually exhibiting low effort?

Low activity != scum so I'm not sure why you say it

I don't think my posts are hedgy i think i give pretty clear reads based on what has happened so far. I think it's easy to tell which players i'm scumreading and which ones i'm townreading, especially because i gave a readslist. i think it's hard to produce a readslist as scum and doing so would be unnecessary. But i wanted to better articulate my thoughts for myself mostly.

You and cape are not obv town slots, and even if you were, why would scum make it hard on themselves? Why wouldn't scum push slots they thought they could push? see your argument is wrong and makes no logical sense.

how am i "surviving" the game just started? I don't understand how you can attribute that motivation from me without taking into consideration i work 8 hours a day and have trouble accessing mafia at work, esp since i'm not currently working from home any days anymore. the only way i'm "surviving" is me falling behind and catching up in a big swath of post. why would you attribute that motivation to me being scum?

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as far as malcolmtucker goes i'm not a fan but i'm willing to give him a chance to catch up today

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I feel like you're so dodgy you should be scumreading yourself frogsterking

How about actually responding to me instead of saying bullshit

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Honestly I can sheep the case on Dragons, it makes sense to me.

Honestly?

Do better

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I don't believe that I'm seriously being scumread for making catchup posts. This isn't even amatuer hour, it's bizarro world.

Stop confirm biasing yourself and actually listen to what I'm saying. Thank you

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Not really I made like 10 arguments and you barely barely articulated one

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as far as malcolmtucker goes i'm not a fan but i'm willing to give him a chance to catch up today

Whats your read on him then?

I think he could be scum for some vibes but I'd rather have him post to help confirm or negate those feelings

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Not really I made like 10 arguments and you barely barely articulated one

Were any of them good though?

Yes

Try harder

I think you just randomly drew my name out of a hat and decided to double down on it and anyone who thinks you have a case is an idiot no offense

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VOTE: frogsterking

This is just unreal there's no way this is legit

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Not really I made like 10 arguments and you barely barely articulated one

Were any of them good though?

Yes

Try harder

I think you just randomly drew my name out of a hat and decided to double down on it and anyone who thinks you have a case is an idiot no offense

I reread and they weren't good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man straw man fallacy, you're straw manning my case against you.

Also you claimed low activity != scum but there is evidence that there's a correlation. https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Detection MathBlade made a similar objection (and later flipped scum) when I accused him D1 in the large theme you just modded.

I am not strawmanning you if anything you are strawmanning me by picking and choosing what part of my case is important and what part of my case is just vaguely beneath you.

I still can't believe you are doubling down on me having work as me being scum.

Mathblade was low activity because he was sick not because he was scum

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I dont think I mentioned this but I was pretty sick at game start

I guess all people who get sick are scum, huh? Qed you're a mafia genius correlation implies causation and there are no coincidences.

Can you take a beat and reevaluate your position or are you seriously dead set on crucifying me for not posting as much as other people while blatantly ignoring other offenders

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why would you attribute that motivation to me being scum?

It's monologuing and parallel communication. Gives you time to double check everything you say and doesn't force you to interact with other players. It makes your slot appear more Townie on a reread than it should and is a very common scum tactic.

Basically this:

Imagine catching up only to discover there's 3+ pages which you also need to catch up.

Therefore catching up is pointless exertise.

Enchant may have been joking but that's the vibe I'm getting from your slot. Game isn't moving fast either, so I think all the drama over catching up is just theater.

VOTE: Save the Dragons
Yeah this seals it for me
The points about monologuing and parallel communication is a very succinct way of expressing a trend I feel like scum players fall into sometimes.
I was already probably voting here anyway, this just makes me feel fine voting now vs. waiting until finishing reading

his case is objectively garbage it's literally that i was one of several people who didn't post and therefore i must be scum. not even a joke or a harsh paraphrase, that's literally part of it. read it again.

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Not really I made like 10 arguments and you barely barely articulated one

Were any of them good though?

Yes

Try harder

I think you just randomly drew my name out of a hat and decided to double down on it and anyone who thinks you have a case is an idiot no offense

I reread and they weren't good. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man straw man fallacy, you're straw manning my case against you.

Also you claimed low activity != scum but there is evidence that there's a correlation. https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Detection MathBlade made a similar objection (and later flipped scum) when I accused him D1 in the large theme you just modded.

I am not strawmanning you if anything you are strawmanning me by picking and choosing what part of my case is important and what part of my case is just vaguely beneath you.

I still can't believe you are doubling down on me having work as me being scum.

Mathblade was low activity because he was sick not because he was scum

The thing is there is a way busy scum tend to play and it’s unfortunate to get called on it but it’s a real trend

what is the the way busy scum play

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I admit my mistake. A true fencesitter should never, under any circumstances offer his opinion and only post fluff. Maybe a naked vote with no reasoning or context?

VOTE: Dragons

Now excuse me, need to eat some enslaved potasium.

i don't even know what to say to you

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your case is wishy washy, all over the place, and untrue. it feels like you decided i'm scum and are just coming up with more and more reasons to pigeonhole me into this mindset. i think you've confirmbiased yourself and need to reset and actually consider what's been put out vs. decided i'm low content and therefore must be scum.

i don't know why you think i'm dodgy, i don't think i've been dodgy at all. i've given my reads my way and have been pretty clear about them.

most of this post is blustering and not an actual case and i'm not sure what you're hoping to gain from this, it almost seems like you're being dodgy especially since someone asked you a question about me and you get distracted by someone else

Why does this sound like a copypasta?

i don't think it does but what does that even tell you about me? did you read what i said

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i don't really know what to think right now

i at first didn't like MT's catch up because it just seemed like an easy MarieR suspicion. He could be white knighting me but it's hard to want to vote someone who's reading me correctly literally at this very moment

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i actually don't think BCG is doing nothing, but i'd like to see more from them though

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are people over mariar

VOTE: MariaR for now

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will you tell us why, toog

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are people over mariar

VOTE: MariaR for now

Deflection.

See this is a problem. I spent 4 posts talking about me. I'm tired of talking about me it's a distraction but I did it anyway. And you just ignored that fact to call me continuing to play the game a deflection.

You would have dammed me for any vote I made.

I don't know if you are just lazy scum or you need to take a breath but this is bullshit either way

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Sigh

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Do better if you are town

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Like it's disappointing when people aren't even willing to engage and just want to vote you for dumb reasons

I don't understand what I'm supposed to do if people won't read what I'm saying I mean that's all I can do I can say stuff and people are like "herp derp you voted for one of your announced scumreads that's suspicious"

Like let's have a debate let's talk about stuff tell me what's really driving the scumread. Too many people voting me are doing so without acknowledging anything I'm saying

Like why am I even trying

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VOTE: Frogsterking

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KT and Charloux just sitting on the sidelines trying to stir the pot by calling people scum without providing substantial reads is starting to make me question

i feel like an idiot saying "there's scum voting for me" but of course scum are going to try to capitalize on mislimming me if possible. i'm not a hard mislim naturually and it's exacerbated by the fact i was posting infrequently (due to being sick, mostly) but now that i'm here no one seems to care about that either conveniently.

one or more of {Frogsterking, Gamma, KT, Charloux} are just jumping on because it's easy, take your pick

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i like how titus's plan was to just join the top wagon for yet another random reason and no one bats an eye

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i like how mariar is just like "meh i'll just sneak one on without any justification" and no one cares

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I don't know that I understand the case on greeting

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CAN IT BE?

DUN DUN

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I don't know that I understand the case on greeting

Careful wording. What made you choose these words? You could have said 'why Greeting'?

this is just how i fucking talk

what the fuck is this

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I kinda like what Malcolm has posted today

Inb4 I get scumread for this latest post of mine because no one cares about my body of work and everyone seems to focus on the latest thing I do

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Sigh

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Also I was probably wrong about cape

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Also VOTE: bcg that 180 is giving me whiplash

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i'm calling the garbage that is flung against me garbage, not just any suspicion

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Also VOTE: bcg that 180 is giving me whiplash

How so (:

i dunno i can't read your mind

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I don't like any of the wagons.

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I think I'd be okay with a Titus wagon

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I feel like MT has contributed a lot I'm confused why people think he didn't

I think I'd go for a MariaR wagon still I do not understand why people let up the gas on that one

Titus isn't really doing anything

I dunno where BCG went

Mathblade does seem town but I didn't like his predecessor

I feel like if pooky were scum he'd be doing more or having some gimmick he does seem a little lackluster this game maybe I'm not sure what that means about his alignment

Fennec was pretty town and furtive hasn't done anything to change my mind on that

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Just because you are loud doesn't mean you are right

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I was talking to frogsterking my bad

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I was talking to frogsterking my bad

What do you want me to change my mind on?

i want you to reevaluate my slot and come out with the correct answer but you're obviously so confirmed bias that literally everything i do is perceived through a wolfy lens that you'll find some way to make this basic plea for rational-ness a scum tell.

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i'm not sure how i feel about 1626 by Pooky i dunno why you're spending so much time convincing us of a safe read of mathblade being town rather than trying harder to push your controversial scum read. it just seems weird.

but then again i hate everyone on the pookywagon and would rather vote anyone on it than pooky

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VOTE: titus

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why? because i'm voting you for not doing anything all game?

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why what changed?

what makes it opportunistic? who else is coming after you right now?

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i don't think i'm hiding at all in fact i feel like voting you out of the blue is the opposite of hiding

i've expressed suspicion of you and you've left me unimpressed. I don't actually know that anyone else is going to follow me so i don't really see this as opportunistic at all.

i don't really think that "coordinating" a wagon on pooky is particularly protown anyway.

lastly i don't really see what this has to do with you vs. math

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like if anything i think shouting out a "no u" suspicion of me is opportunistic

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that's still like 3 things compared to your one thing of voting pooky

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that's still like 3 things compared to your one thing of voting pooky

Voted =/= doing something.

okay cool i guess you've done nothing either then according to you?

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ok i'll take a step back

what should i be doing that i'm not doing

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i think my reads have been pretty clear and independent from what's going on

i think you're tilted i'm voting you and are making up reasons to try and bring suspicion down on me. i don't think i've been hiding or doing nothing or not producing reads at all and i think it's pretty clear

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that's a lot of claims

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I sure did I'm at work

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That's not grasping at low hanging fruit, thats poking the rotten pears off the ground

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Is there any mechanical reason to believe Titus is town

Pretend I skimmed the boring mech part of the game

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Also maria coming for toog seems weird when imo toog is pretty town and isn't doing nothing

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Game is nuts. Not sure I feel furtive though