Ditto and Alisae is who I replaced.In post 3152, Toogeloo wrote:Confirming to all that I have replaced Norwee and that I have NOT (and probably will never) read the game up to this point.
Titus can you please answer the question in the wind PT (or here I don’t care) about the case for PP scum please?In post 3184, Titus wrote:Oh wow, my town core subs out and my scumreads just go right back to counterwagoning me. Nothing to see here.
Lol sounds like more fun than pulling teeth.
If you think Titus is scum why are you against the thunderdome?In post 3187, fireisredsir wrote:i agree that it should not be a thunderdome but i do think titus is likely to be scum
Is there a list somewhere of who said what and who claimed what?In post 3190, Enchant wrote:That's because of windclans who decided to out instead of asking normally.
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We should probably do that to help people catch up. I can’t start on my lunch break but if things are outed best everyone knows them.In post 3194, Enchant wrote:noIn post 3192, MathBlade wrote:Is there a list somewhere of who said what and who claimed what?In post 3190, Enchant wrote:That's because of windclans who decided to out instead of asking normally.
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Did something special happen besides her elim?In post 3201, Mistyx wrote:also i didn't even call it t/t i just said plausibly t/t
but this sort of obstinate "i was right and you misconstrued me" "no i was right and you misconstrued me" trends more towards being more genuine on both sides
and i also don't think titus pulls this as scum after what happened to mastina so
Can’t research a post that big on lunch break will come back later
Oh lol. Thanks for correcting it. I will need to ISO her main game thread after work.In post 3229, Mistyx wrote:that's not a theory, she explicitly confirmed in thread she chose how/when to joinIn post 3228, MathBlade wrote:Can we like not hammer before I have a chance to get into the game please?
I have a theory that Titus deliberately joined the wind hood and I want to explore that. It’s especially valid if she joined after T3 was wagoned but I will have to check time stamps after work.
In post 3238, Bell wrote:Titus is already at E-1?
I couldn’t keep track and it just seemed really fast.In post 3236, Mistyx wrote:i do agree that windclan is probably still not pure but i'm not sure if i'd go valslot or titus first
i would like to hear some about val content in the hood? does it line up with his in-thread perspective? was he solving the other clans?
I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.In post 33, Titus wrote:I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.
I checked the time stamps and Titus joined before Mastina hammer I think as she was asking about hammers.In post 3247, Cephrir wrote:to the best of my knowledge, titus has never offered any reason for that decision as town either. i just went looking in her iso for it.In post 3243, MathBlade wrote:Mainly if I am Titus scum why do I pick the wind hood? @Mistyx if you’re here where abouts was that discussion?
but that hood had a lot going on in it at the time, so i'd be surprised if that weren't the reason as either alignment.
Or I can post things as I see them and post thoughts and see why people think what they do?In post 3249, Cephrir wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzIn post 3244, MathBlade wrote:I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.In post 33, Titus wrote:I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.
read the rest of her iso and get back to me
I don’t see Titus being wagoned on a VC anywhere.In post 3250, MathBlade wrote:I checked the time stamps and Titus joined before Mastina hammer I think as she was asking about hammers.In post 3247, Cephrir wrote:to the best of my knowledge, titus has never offered any reason for that decision as town either. i just went looking in her iso for it.In post 3243, MathBlade wrote:Mainly if I am Titus scum why do I pick the wind hood? @Mistyx if you’re here where abouts was that discussion?
but that hood had a lot going on in it at the time, so i'd be surprised if that weren't the reason as either alignment.
What precipitated Titus being pushed D1?
Okay here’s the first sus lemme see what day that’s on.In post 2077, Titus wrote:It shouldn't. PP is 100% scum here.
Yes and so did Fire.In post 3255, PenguinPower wrote:I literally linked in in response to you asking hours ago….
Counterpoint kept in mind. Without knowing her role I find this plausible but undeterminable.In post 3256, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:MULTIPLE OCCASIONS OF FALSE BRAVADO IN A SPECIFIC WAY THAT FEELS UNLIKE TOWN TITUS. THEY SEEMED TO BE UNINTERESTED IN VCA AND FORMED THEIR EARLY READS LIKE A PLAYER WHO SCUM HUNTS IN A PURELY BEHAVIORAL WAY. THEIR CERTAINTY IN THE T3 FLIP FELT LIKE THEY WERE MILKING IT FOR BUS CRED. THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN UNWILLING TO ELABORATE ON PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING AND BASICALLY OMGUS ANYONE WHO MAKES A SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO PUSH THEM.In post 3251, MathBlade wrote:Or I can post things as I see them and post thoughts and see why people think what they do?In post 3249, Cephrir wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzIn post 3244, MathBlade wrote:I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.In post 33, Titus wrote:I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.
read the rest of her iso and get back to me
If I had to read every iso before posting I wouldn’t get anywhere.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ROLE CRUMB, AND MY COUNTER ARGUMENT IS THAT THIS IS A GAME WHERE SHE WOULD BE MORE MOTIVATED TO CRUMB HER ROLE AS SCUM BECAUSE SHE WILL BE JOINING A CLAN LATER AND WILL NOT WANT TO ALARM THEM AND BE POORLY RECIEVED ON THE OUTSET.
I really feel this is TvT or TvS. I think TvT but Penguin scum is possible, but not probable.In post 2086, PenguinPower wrote:1.)No, I looked at the two votecounts from the mod and was incorrect.In post 2084, Titus wrote:1) He basically lied about his wagon position.In post 2079, Cephrir wrote:What makes you so sure?
2) When I corrected him, he turned attention to bell.
3) His mastina vote is sheeping the river clan naked.
4) T3 was a lazy no info vote yesterday but now suddenly is worth a naked vote as the wagon creeps up.
5) He shades my attention on him and his behavior as deflection from Bell.
2.)No, I went and counted the votes between the two votecounts from the mod and it showed that YOU were incorrect in your statement that I was the shifting vote. It was Bell, and I called that out to you.
3.)Hi, I'm PP. Welcome to my D1 in all games every. You are aware of this.
4.)Yes, if lazy people continue to not do things it's fine. This isn't D1 anymore.
5.)No, you are ignoring something that factually happened to push elsewhere based on falsities.
So she’s town Titus?In post 3181, fireisredsir wrote:i think she's playing similar to how she played as scum in datisis cafe. the way she was pushing people based on a t3 preflip without actually having much of any reason to scumread t3 is similar to how she handled ircher thereIn post 3171, MathBlade wrote:Can someone summarize the Titus = scum case? I asked Titus to summarize the PP= scum case in the wind hood.
specifically her 2037 into 2039 into 2040 is v scummy imo, that's basically the first place she even mentions a suspicion on t3 and she immediately pivots it into a partner read and a vote on norwee. she does vote t3 after that, but still she never really is giving reasons for why t3 is scum, just asking people to join and pushing for partners
related, i think the way she's handled penguin is super weird, i don't think her projected confidence there is really supported by anything she's actually posted, and she's focusing way more just on being confident than on actual reasons for why he's scum. their back and forth into her suddenly saying he is "100% scum here" just feels super faked to me. and she's still pushing there? it feels way more positional than a genuine read, like they got in a 1v1 and so she felt pressured to have to come up with a scumread there
also her 2012 just kinda feels like how she fakes town theorizing vca titus. the conclusions just feel a little hollow and almost random. i don't think the logic really follows to make datisi a good flip off what she said
in general i just think she kinda feels like a shell of her town self, like all the confidence and outward projection is there, but it isn't actually supported underneath that surface level. and i remember getting exactly that impression from her scum game recently so
VOTE: titus
As I said it’s not exclusive but more likely town.In post 3262, Nero Cain wrote:What are you guys talking about? Titus, as scum, has very much used the "I crumbed my role, look how townie I am!" before.
Link me?In post 3265, fireisredsir wrote:i just played with scum titus and im saying that this looks like that
thats like a big portion of that post
I kinda see this on a quick skim but I don’t.In post 3267, fireisredsir wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89922
i think its also kinda similar to what i read of her posting in the multiball large, specifically the vibe of having kind of a shell of surface level confidence but without any support backing it up
Please get into it. Baking cookies is a reference to her using her PR or crumbing.In post 3268, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:I DON'T THINK THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHY OTHERS SCUMREAD TITUS, THESE ARE JUST PERSONALLY POSTS I NOTICED WHICH I REMEMBER PINGING ME.
I'M NOT GETTING INTO ANY OF HER POSTS SURROUNDING THE T3 SLOT. IF YOU NEED ME TO EXPLAIN WHY I THOUGHT IT LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS BUSSING T3, I CAN GET INTO THAT NEXT IN A SEPARATE POST IF YOU ASK ME TO.
DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.In post 244, Titus wrote:I don't explain myself to scumreads.In post 239, Charloux wrote:ExplainIn post 238, Titus wrote:VOTE: Charloux
Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.ALSO DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS, SIMILAR TO ABOVE.In post 671, Titus wrote:@Bear, I'll focus on getting a read there when I catch up.
SPOILER: THEY NEVER FINISH CATCHING UP.ATEIn post 678, Titus wrote:Why are you saying things to try and get a rise out of me? There is a large chunk I haven't read. That's how I roll when afk for a bit.I READ THIS AS MILKING THE THEME FOR TOWN READS. CONSIDERING HOW INVESTED THEY ALLEGEDLY ARE IN THE GAME, THEY AREN'T REALLY DOING MUCH TO TRY AND SOLVE IT.SOUNDS LAMIST AND BULLSHIT FROM ANYONE, NON TITUS-SPECIFIC, CLASSIC SCUMTELL.In post 1210, Titus wrote:I want a claim so I can make my move accordingly.
Worst case, we flip a lurker. We need town to work together, which means someone compromise.In post 1281, Titus wrote:I might bake cookies.SEEMS IRREVERENT AND DERPY IN A WAY WHICH DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.PINGED ME HARD AS SOUNDING LAMIST.In post 1923, Titus wrote:I am not a beacon of obvtown, but do not consider giving me warrior powers until I say I'm eligible. This is not a fakeout.
But see that’s never enough for TitusIn post 3272, PenguinPower wrote:I did say I made a mistake on how many votes T3 had. Hell, I posted the entire vote count chain to show it.In post 3260, MathBlade wrote:I really feel this is TvT or TvS. I think TvT but Penguin scum is possible, but not probable.In post 2086, PenguinPower wrote:1.)No, I looked at the two votecounts from the mod and was incorrect.In post 2084, Titus wrote:1) He basically lied about his wagon position.In post 2079, Cephrir wrote:What makes you so sure?
2) When I corrected him, he turned attention to bell.
3) His mastina vote is sheeping the river clan naked.
4) T3 was a lazy no info vote yesterday but now suddenly is worth a naked vote as the wagon creeps up.
5) He shades my attention on him and his behavior as deflection from Bell.
2.)No, I went and counted the votes between the two votecounts from the mod and it showed that YOU were incorrect in your statement that I was the shifting vote. It was Bell, and I called that out to you.
3.)Hi, I'm PP. Welcome to my D1 in all games every. You are aware of this.
4.)Yes, if lazy people continue to not do things it's fine. This isn't D1 anymore.
5.)No, you are ignoring something that factually happened to push elsewhere based on falsities.
Titus is the kind of player to use wagons for support and being incorrect about something verifiable will ping her.
Similarly PP responding arrogantly and not going “oh oops I made a mistake” really loudly and just deflecting is going to irk Titus.
Statement 5 seems like a “not me but you” which is kinda PP as any alignment.
PP just doesn’t feel scum. Yes I know such a verbose argument.
You know what Titus didn’t do? Say she fucked up by saying I moved off at even wagons and that was Bell.
VOTE: DatisiIn post 3175, Mistyx wrote:Spoiler: datisi on t3
these are most of the direct mentions of T3 from datisi - i cut out a lot of stuff that was arguing with ali/norwee about why they were pushing T3 because i think that's a separate line of argument and i'm honestly not sure how to feel about it, i'll try to write something about that later but for now just keep in mind that this case does not accurately represent my confidence level on the read
but this is basically exactly how i'd expect a scum partner of T3's to treat him - going "yeah i'm fine with the wagon" without ever elaborating on why other than "his posts are bad"
it just seemed like he didn't have any active interest in solving T3 even taking the ali/norwee stuff into account - i know i said that it was giving me hesitations on it but the point of the argument felt more like it was with ali/norwee than anything to do with T3
altogether i think it's just an s/s dynamic
Or she’s just arrogant, give me my damn way or scum are clearly going to stop me from having the elim I think town needs so I am gonna spam the thread til I get it, has RL, and then losing motivation Titus.In post 3274, PenguinPower wrote:No no no. She doubled down, refused to acknowledge, used a pithy statement, and said it still made me scum.
That’s scum. Plain and simple.
Sense and inconsistency are two different things.In post 3278, fireisredsir wrote:i thought that the way she started her VCA and found it led towards wanting to flip datisi for info and then basically dropped that immediately and started going in another direction was inconsistent. it didn't feel like there was anything behind the vca theorizing and it was just looking for something to do. more of a mindset inconsistency igIn post 3270, MathBlade wrote:I kinda see this on a quick skim but I don’t.In post 3267, fireisredsir wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89922
i think its also kinda similar to what i read of her posting in the multiball large, specifically the vibe of having kind of a shell of surface level confidence but without any support backing it up
I guess the big question for those who have read the thread is has Titus been overall consistent?
Not the finer points but load broadly.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13507860
In the scum game you linked she hates slips then argues something might be one. That’s a “broad” inconsistency.
Has she done any “broad” inconsistencies?
but anyway are you saying she has a broad inconsistency of this level in every scumgame bc idk if that's really likely to be true
and i thought you said she made less sense as town
Correct. I don’t think so no.In post 3313, Datisi wrote:math, are you saying that scum-her is not capable of faking the event in this game?
She’s too smart to mimic confusion. Brain smart isn’t always emotional smart.In post 3318, Datisi wrote:if her level of fakery is really good... why is she not capable of acting confused about flavour names?In post 3314, MathBlade wrote:Correct. I don’t think so no.In post 3313, Datisi wrote:math, are you saying that scum-her is not capable of faking the event in this game?
I think she has been swamped in RL and I don’t think this is fakery.
Her level of fakery as scum is generally really good.
EwwwIn post 3322, Toogeloo wrote:Plus I'm replacing into a game that has no need of my solving yet (because I have nothing). The only to offer is information. If everyone is informed, the advantage is not that big a deal for scum.
Interesting, where did you get this idea from?In post 3338, Cephrir wrote:one of them doesn't, the rest probably do, but i don't think it's worth pointing them straight at every power role
Interesting will have to iso fire after the meeting.In post 3344, Cephrir wrote:they got to choose one, is how i'm reading itIn post 3340, MathBlade wrote:If scum have to get powers and one doesn’t I’d expect that power to be rather game important of some kind.
When they stop having the same power level demonstrated in many many games. I use “” because it’s not literally one but might as well be. I think that when you put all the words and letters together and look at prior games it does work like that.In post 3345, Cephrir wrote:i wonder when people will stop pretending all town hoods and masonries are the same thing
This game is.In post 3352, Datisi wrote:that wasn't even comodded by koba
Added to list of things to do after work.In post 3355, Titus wrote:How's about discussing how the town core replaced out and now all the good core in WindClan is gone?In post 3351, Cephrir wrote:i dont agree but i dont think theres any point in discussing it further right now
WindClan would be stomping right now.
Math, take a look at the votes. Look at the developing T3 wagon D1 and then D2.
PP got caught bussing.
Fire has no substance in his ISO
Bear is a spam bot....
But town is gone so we likely just lose but going to try.
There's only one scum left after those.
It’s depressed TitusIn post 3360, Cephrir wrote:Is this negging
Which means whatever her alignment she’s just frustrated and throwing shit and praying versus being slow and methodical. I get it from here…In post 3355, Titus wrote:How's about discussing how the town core replaced out and now all the good core in WindClan is gone?In post 3351, Cephrir wrote:i dont agree but i dont think theres any point in discussing it further right now
WindClan would be stomping right now.
Math, take a look at the votes. Look at the developing T3 wagon D1 and then D2.
PP got caught bussing.
Fire has no substance in his ISO
Bear is a spam bot....
But town is gone so we likely just lose but going to try.
There's only one scum left after those.
This is pretty sus.In post 3380, fireisredsir wrote:math getting the alisae slot is kinda funny to me bc reading both of their posts make me tired and not want to respond
Bear post doesn’t show up on mobileIn post 3316, Mistyx wrote:no i barely read overnightIn post 3315, Dannflor wrote:Can you tell me about how your datisi read came about? Is that something you worked on overnight? How much did you share with your neighborhood?
the datisi thing came bc a little bit after daystart i remembered the d1 T3 flash and figured id look through it to see if anyone looked good/bad from it
and i thought datisi coming in after the fact going "idk why this happened but okay" was a bad look so i iso'd him for how he handled T3 separately and thought it was bad
so i cased him
You’re literally vacant posting right nowIn post 3390, Datisi wrote:literally none of that explains why i'm scum
Because there’s Mistyx’s case and I remember one other lighter oneIn post 3395, Datisi wrote:also why are you saying plural "cases" when i have seen only one case (that was kinda mid, no offense)
also also, you have seen me play scum and seen me be "vocal af" as scum - so i think it's fair to say that my lack of loudness doesn't imply scum, because boi i can be loud as scum
so why tf are you bringing it up as an actual point
You, Kitty, and Mistyx who are all widely scumread (I disagree that all could be scum together) haven’t hopped on:
I am not saying an entire solve.In post 3405, Datisi wrote:i mean if your overall topic is "here are a few incorrect assumptions, now give me a full game solve to accompany scum-titus or your read is invalid", yes you are absolutely right i am not responding to that lol
An exampleIn post 3365, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:FENCE SITTING. T3 CAN GO IN EITHER DIRECTION FROM HERE. LOOK AT HIS LAST SENTENCE.In post 1441, T3 wrote:Mistyx is scummy. She’s saying that things are arbitrary but not actually offering her own suggestions as to what the thread should be talking about. 452 is also scummy because it’s questioning mech stuff that isn’t public. Also her asking why mastina’s Norwee vote is the only vote Norwee cares about is bad because mastina was leading the wagon. 601-609 progression is bad. Her questioning of KT is good and displays clear scumhunting.
I am expecting you to be scum huntingIn post 3408, Cephrir wrote:If you're expecting me to preflip Titus as scum you are going to be disappointed
At best if I am being generous at face value she made one mistakeIn post 3411, PenguinPower wrote:Why do I need to decipher the whole scum team or make pre-flip associatives just because someone was caught being super scummy?In post 3406, MathBlade wrote:Like “maybe Titus is scum with X because Y”
Or “Titus isn’t scum with Q because R”
Replace letters with whatever makes sense
Something to show you’re thinking and willing to talk about other slots rather than just picking on Titus over a perceived slight.
Like - it's not a "perceived slight..." it's continuous scummy behavior and she should be yeeted for it.
I really don’t think so.In post 3414, PenguinPower wrote:I think you are clouded in your view of her play this game if that's your takeaway.
I just got done with a shit ton of RL peoplingIn post 3544, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:HEY MATHBLADE CAN YOU DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI TEAM WITH VCA?In post 3543, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:CAN ANYONE DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI SOLVE?
Not sure on context hereIn post 3530, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:VCA NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED ASSUMING A T3/TITUS/MISTYX TEAM
GOD AM I GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL THE GOOD SOLVING TODAY. I AM TERRIBLE AT VCA.
WHAT DOES "OVERLOADING A WAGON" MEAN?
