Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[Charloux]

My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

[Charloux]

My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

I've posted in the ThunderClan PT. I don't see your post in there. Double-check that you posted in the right PT?

Would appreciate an answer to this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Charloux

I was just messing with him?

[Charloux]

I don't understand what the problem is. I saw him being the only one to post in the pt and was like "Is there anybody in the thread" to have fun.
Was going to keep playing dumb but i guess it's better not?

[Charloux]

I don't understand what the problem is. I saw him being the only one to post in the pt and was like "Is there anybody in the thread" to have fun.
Was going to keep playing dumb but i guess it's better not?

so you faked you posted in the neighborhood at start to mess with people head who can see you didn't post there? That kinda makes no sense

More likely that you confused PTs and posted elsewhere first instead and then started acting like you were messing with people in some way when called out?

VOTE: Charloux

Why is me confusing pt more likely than me deliberately having fun over someone being alone for an hour?

[Charloux]

Sorry you have no sense of humor

[Charloux]

Why is me confusing pt more likely than me deliberately having fun over someone being alone for an hour?

it was 14 minutes?

1hour 14minutes

[Charloux]

He posted at 6:27 in pt
I posted at 7:56 in main thread
This is my local time obv.

After thinking about it i have to admit my joke would mainly be funny among teens, sorry about that.

[Charloux]

Btw is it posted somewhere that scum have daychat i didn't find it in the ruleset. I could totally see them being distributed among the clans and not being able to communicate.

[Charloux]

re: charloux: the case where i might find this compelling is one where the scum chat was not open until game start (possible because the neighbor PTs weren't) but there is no way to know this probably

I was actually thinking among the lines they know scum have pt, but town had no way of knowing that. Didn't read the rules correctly tho

[Charloux]

Scum!SS would pm the mod to make the change, not ask for it in the main thread. It's a towntell

[Charloux]

He is a troll and i hate him sooo much. I don't think i can take any of his reads seriously.

[Charloux]

But, Dr Worm wasn’t a really doctor. So you’re not really scrrrd.

SHARP PENGUIN. DO YOU WANT TO VOTE SOMEONE IN OUR CLAN TODAY?

STOP.GIVING.INFO.WHEN.WE.DONT.KNOW.MAJORITY.OF.SETUP.
VOTE: SCRRRRBEAR

[Charloux]

I'm referring to recently finished game divide and conquer that I played in with scrrrdbear

Is he a troll or is he playing normally but with an obnoxious flavor?

[Charloux]

I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

[Charloux]

I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

How do you know there are multiple strays?

It's a theory based on Titus claim, the number of people in my pt and the details of my role.
3 more people have yet to post, and we can't confirm that everybody who posted is a member of a clan.

[Charloux]

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

[Charloux]

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

I don't explain myself to scumreads.

Explain to everybody else then? You DO have multiple reasons, don't you?

[Charloux]

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

I don't explain myself to scumreads.

Explain to everybody else then? You DO have multiple reasons, don't you?

If people want to know, I can. I don't take demands from scumreads.

That's what i thought
VOTE: Titus

[Charloux]

I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

@Dann,

Let's break this down.
Arbitrary assumption regarding scum being left out. Neon sign of scum being left out of a clan.
Lack of telling me to shut up when I announced I was a stray + lack of objection with many hood claims already suggests no urgency to deny scum essential information from their alleged pov.
There was a total lack of pushback on my belief that I was the sole stray.

It's not enough to cry slip, but it's close.

Assuming i have 200 IQ and can put the pieces together as soon as they come.
Spoiler: I don't have 200IQ

The other leaders should be able to piece together why i made that theory.

[Charloux]

So my wagon looks like this:
Frozen Angel, Something_Smart, Titus, Mistyx, Datisi, Kitty, Norweigan.

FA is obvtown imo;
SS didn't show as much passion as FA, but is always keeping an open mind for other things which is a town mindset.
I don't understand Titus vote on me. It feels more like an OMGUS rather than a scumread. The setup itself makes her really unlikely to be scum.
Kitty's vote seems too opportunistic, just hopped on the biggest wagon quoting a random post and affirming that i'm scum.


Mistyx, Datisi, Norweigan; What is even your goal with my wagon? Do you want me to explain my thought process for yesterday? Claim all my role details?
Explain my theory in detail? Do you want to get me to L-1 and act shocked when someone hammers?

[Charloux]

Apart from these, the only one who left a strong opinion on me is bear. Mentally i don't like him, but his posts looks really towny

[Charloux]

Mistyx, Datisi, Norweigan; What is even your goal with my wagon? Do you want me to explain my thought process for yesterday? Claim all my role details?
Explain my theory in detail? Do you want to get me to L-1 and act shocked when someone hammers?

My goal is to flip mafia.

Unless you know something about the setup that i, as town clan leader don't, you have 0 reason for me to be your main target of scum flipping attempt.

[Charloux]

My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

I've posted in the ThunderClan PT. I don't see your post in there. Double-check that you posted in the right PT?

Would appreciate an answer to this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Charloux

I was just messing with him?

This for one. And your response to sussing FA felt very forced. "Sorry you don't have a sense of humor" was especially iffy response.

I think this speaks more about my rotten character rather than my alignment.
At first i didn't know why everybody was freaking out, then i was salty my joke was taken as a slip and reacted childishly.

[Charloux]

I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?

I shared my role and what it does(Regretting it deeply now), then we had a bit of a discussion.
After this Bear came, shared a lot of reads. Marashu also had some reads.
The last thing i commented is that i don't see a point in talking in the pt since bear will just say everything in the main thread, so i might as well skip that step and post directly.

The thing on Marashu is bear trying to clean the thunder pt from scum.

[Charloux]

I admit i kinda overreacted, you didn't share anything that was obviously better left unsaid.

[Charloux]

But, Dr Worm wasn’t a really doctor. So you’re not really scrrrd.

SHARP PENGUIN. DO YOU WANT TO VOTE SOMEONE IN OUR CLAN TODAY?

STOP.GIVING.INFO.WHEN.WE.DONT.KNOW.MAJORITY.OF.SETUP.
VOTE: SCRRRRBEAR

why did you have this reaction *now*, and not in the last x-many times that someone commented to be in one hood or being in a hood with someone else?

furthermore, why did you vote him over it? do you think that is scummy?

It took me that long for all the clues i got to click in and for a theory to form. Then i was like OH S***. My psych was also unstable because my joke went terribly wrong and thought bear was yet another troll alt that got into a really nice game.
The vote was omgus. Titus vote was also an emotional vote

[Charloux]

@FA
1)What can leaders do with their role?
2)Who knows who gets the warrior promotion?
3)How does town prevent them from getting killed on the same night?

Once you can answer these questions it will become apparent why voting for a leader amongst everybody on D1 is a terrible idea.

[Charloux]

I'm not going off about me being confirmed. I am providing clues that every leader should have that leads to a theory that could clear ALL the leaders

[Charloux]

So killing me or any leader before the theory is confirmed/demolished is stupid. There are 21 people here, you can't convince me nobody apart from me is scummy

[Charloux]

No, kitty is in thunder clan.
If anyone is interested they only said one word so far.
Have a few things to note, but need to reread once i get to my laptop so i don't add an idiot tag to my already growing list of bad traits.

[Charloux]

Alisae

Spoiler:

The first thing that stands out is the situation with Val. Don't really agree with post 261; But i can totally see how things said in post 279 could come from a scummy mindset.

nothing is happening and honestly I am wasting posts by posting this post and the post before it where I told bear that his datisi scumread is wrong!!!

How was nothing happening? Did you expect a dayvigi kill or something? This is nai, i'm just curious.

I also don’t intend to argue with all that text. You’ll either realize you’re wrong or i can die. I don’t rly care. I signed up to play with Alisae not get stressed out by the game. That’s why i’ll keep posting all of my thoughts almost exlusively in hood.

glgl convincing ne this is scum u just cant its not possible.
--

why is that the only vote you seem to care about?

I probably SHOULDN'T answer for Norwee, and this might not be Norwee's answer, but if I can provide imput as someone who has been fos' by mastina a lot, being pushed my mastina is pretty triggering due to her rhetoric and just how she is?
i've felt this way in the past, and understanding Norwee as a person, I would say that him feeling that way is just, valid?
I wouldn't say it's an alignment indicative thing but I'll provide a nugget ig. If we were scum together I would probably just tell Norwee in a private topic to just not engage, just makes more sense not to. It's not like people are going to let mastina influence their actions or read her posts. Engaging doesn't do anything, if anything, probably makes mastina look more credible, and wastes posts. Like she's just not worth it lmfao

From a perspective of someone who doesn't know the history between Alisae and norwegian this feels pretty iffy to me.

Townlean

for now. Don't really have a strong opinion on the other posts.

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KittyTacky

Spoiler:

I could talk why he is scummy but i don't like parroting so here

anyway, i like the reasoning for kittytacky being scum. upon my skim, i skipped that post because big post, but when i got back to it... it really did not say anything, huh. and the fact that he took the time to photoshop my avatar onto a clam (and photoshop it kind of *well*, considering the white pixels are barely visible), rather than, you know, do things in the game... yeah. it kind of reminds me of that one thing i did in smuggler's, where i also tried to be funny by posting an image instead of like, y'know, doing things. also, scr

Adding to this i find his vote on me terribly opportunistic

Scum

read
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I give up, just can't force myself to check everybody's ISO and the posts that connect to each of their posts.
1-2 people a day i find most noteworthy should be doable

[Charloux]

Anyway, I am curious to hear a deeper take on some of the things I've said in 261 and 279.

Spoiler:

153 I hate. The posture (facesit, are either of these words even the right word) between SS and Bell just reads wolf.

167 also just reads like scumposting...

Honestly even the vote on bell now that I am reading the context around it...

WindClan activity seems weirdge for them as well
They wanted to go after Misty for 175.
They also said they don't see any reason behind the bear's reads.
He asks Norwee if he feels that he is on the same page I am and here I am going ??? because like what kind of question is that???

Is this scum or am I reading a lot of the things he does as just scummy?

I'm not sure I buy bell's explanation, and I'm also reading an twinge of complaint in SS's 31 regarding the mod having potentially screwed over dark forest - and I don't understand why there would be "a hard time parsing this from any alignment." If you are Starclan, there is no need for a sample PM, because the sample PM is sitting in your inbox, no?

Nobody else seems to have had any trouble, and, while yes, I can see how being simultaneously a member of Starclan + a neighbourhood clan might be a source of potential confusion; I am wondering how it is possible to confirm in reply to the role PM ones "role and alignment" whilst that confusion remains. Surely you sort that out there and then while confirming?

What am I missing?

I don't understand why you hate it, but i do understand that you hate it. He made a conjecture based on the info he had(Like i did), nothing more nothing less.

And I don't think confirming role + alignment rules out clan confusion; it's usually easy to tell alignment from coloring + lack of partners/obvious scum info, even if you don't fully understand the factions or the wincon.

It may be obvious from the colouring + lack of partners that your role pm is one belonging to the uninformed majority, but if you were in possession of such, you would also have (and I assume it's acceptable to quote directly now it is given publicly) the wincon given to starclan -

"You and all other members of the protectors of StarClan win when all Dark Forest cats have been eliminated."

- which is patently clear on the issue bell expressed confusion about.

Shading others while boasting about the knowledge town should have, passively implying he is town - check

That's my hypothesis - that scum!bell was trying to replicate that selfmeta of 'derping about set up early game and asking the most basic questions that are usually also “town slippy”' without access to a critical piece of information - how the wincon was presented to starclan; and thus failing to realise there was zero, none, nada ambiguity there to 'town slip' over. I don't buy the post-sample explanation that starclan!bell thought "dark forest cats" was some larger descriptor for two or more scum clans without also believing that starclan was some larger descriptor for the town clans, and thus windclan, thunderclan, etc to be pure; and that's never going to pass review. It's nonsensical.

The hypothesis makes sense, but overselling it is scummy imo

I can easily see town!SS realising this situation has only arisen because of the lack of a publicly posted sample PM, and thus suffer some sort of second-hand guilt on behalf of the dark forest for having a member outed so early over what is arguably a mod mistake, but why defend him now?

Answering his on question at the end but not forgetting some more shading - check

From a perspective of someone who doesn't know the history between Alisae and norwegian this feels pretty iffy to me.

I am without a doubt the best player on the table to read the player???
- I have lots of games with him. We've been town together, we've been scum together, and we've been oppositely aligned before.
- He LITERALLY came out of his way to play with me. It makes sense, it's been awhile and I just came back from a 1 year vacation.
- I have an understanding of how he is as a person based on things he how he has acted before and past experiences. We've hydra'd before and that gave me a good idea into his thought processes at the time.
- I have a neighborhood with him. In this neighborhood, he is posting his thoughts. I have access to these thoughts.

Like, what is there to be iffy about???

That's why i said from the perspective of someone who doesn't know the history between you two.
I can see you both white-knighting him as well as pocketing him.

This was hell posting on the phone

[Charloux]

I think Alisae is town.
Alisae thinks i am town.
Val thinks it’s really unlikely for me/Alisae team.

So what? We’re all scum saving each others ass?
Just do the math and back off.

I don't see Val and Alisae as both scum at the very least. I also don't see why you have a wagon on yourself.

[Charloux]

And I am done reading.

Spoiler:

Jokes aside, what do you think about the current wagons on norwegian, kitty and Marashu?

[Charloux]

do i not exist >_>

I don't want to be asked about my opinion on you or your wagon.

Sorry i forgot, silly me~

[Charloux]

do i not exist >_>

I don't want to be asked about my opinion on you or your wagon.

why not?

A couple of times when i was catching up i had some opinions you already said a couple of posts after i thought of them. So i'm pretty biased towards you right now.

[Charloux]

KittyTacky's response to pressure is a lot different from what I remember of scum!KittyTacky in turing test

here there's a lot more indignation "This is my town game!!~" sorta stuff

there it was "sorry, I'm playing so poorly"

Then vote Marashu and not me. I'm town.

I don't know what to make of this. Rather than town/scum this feels more like jester play at this point.

[Charloux]

the postcap here is 200. i don't really think any town here should be genuinely worried about it rn if they put any actual thought into it (unless they are a huge spam poster which we don't really have any of here), which is what makes it feel kinda faked concern

I am feeling the same thing he is talking about. I make a lot of borderline useless posts. Even though I doubt I'll hit the cap, I still feel bad making those posts. It is, indeed, a psychological thing.

Doesn't look like it to me since you proceeded to post one-liners again after this

I really want to see what Alisae does if Norwee gets close to elimination because that can maybe just locktown them forever.

I'd like to ask you to elaborate, but my guess is you don't want to until it happens. Why share this with us then?

[Charloux]

Also how long does kitty need to keep acting like this for it to turn from awkward town to awkward scum? 3 days maybe?

[Charloux]

I have a ~spicy scumread~ I will not be discussing at this point in time. But it exist, just so you know. I will give towncred if anyone can get there before me.

No one wins the prize.

VOTE: Dannflor

*grabs popcorn*
Haven't seen anything in Dann's iso with a lot of "oomph" factor, so you voting for him over existing wagons got my attention.
Don't leave us hanging too long!

[Charloux]

I started commenting on Kitty's post then i noticed my line of thought went like this:
He is scummy because he did x. But he is scummy if he does the opposite as well. Guess i'm too biased on him right now

[Charloux]

Mastina's reads are above my level of intellect. They are weird for me but

some

people take them as a gospel

[Charloux]

Wow I sure as heck can’t wait for the next Harry Potter novel on why Alisae is scum in this video game!!!

Book 1: Norwegian and their knight
Book 2: Dann and Alisae against Mastina. United front for lolz and giggles.
Book 3: TBA

[Charloux]

[8]

Marashu

: SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower, fireisredsir, Cephrir, NorwegianboyEE, Dannflor, Titus, Datisi
[4]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, Bell, KittyTacky
[2]

KittyTacky

: Mistyx, Alisase
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu
[1]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel
[1]

Titus

: Charloux
[1]

Dannflor

: catboi

[1]

Not Voting

: Shiro

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With 21 alive, it takes 11 to YEET.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

I like the Marshu wagon composition, but i'm not really scumreading him myself.
Don't like Norwegian's wagon of mastina, Bell and kitty.

[Charloux]

Uhh Kitty kinda claimed day miller in the thunder pt. Thought it was bs, but kinda makes sense now.

[Charloux]

...day miller????

yep. Did Shiro claim or softed in wind pt btw?

[Charloux]

Uhh Kitty kinda claimed day miller in the thunder pt. Thought it was bs, but kinda makes sense now.

That wasn’t a serious claim…

That’s twice now.

Every.f-ing.time.

[Charloux]

Oh wow Mastina, you really showed those scum eh! Let me give it a try

[Charloux]

You’re not just an clown, you’re the entire circus.

Btw Norwee's scumslipping here by saying this while voting me--

Scum clown isn't a thing.

I can't be a clown and be scum.

I can be only one of the two.

Norwee's vote on me says scum, Norwee's statement I am a clown gives the true read: he knows I'm town.

Why on earth is calling someone a clown AI? You are implying scum are always criminal masterminds who never make mistakes here.
You are just twisting things around to fit your read. Oh Norwegian called me a scum clown, that doesn't exist so they are scum-slipping. It also fits my read on him. Ah that also means he confirmed i'm town guys.

mastina do you not have multiple abilities

I have one ability.

Clans aren't an ability. Everyone has that. It's not a PR if everyone has it. Saying a neighborhood is an ability in a game where everyone has it, is basically like saying a Vanilla Townie with the power of their voice and vote, is an ability. It's literally something even a VT would have.

Being an apprentice aren't an ability. That's a restriction on the abilities. A gate.

I have only one ability. Gated by being an apprentice. But only the one.

Titus doesn't have it. Did you ignore her intentionally so it can fit your read or are you implying titus is scum as well?
And since Titus doesn't have it, by your own logic your only ability is the neighbourhood. Why don't you have another ability huh?

Scum clown isn't a thing.

oh come on you don't believe this

(I don't know how to respond to this without getting banned; every term I want to get would get me at minimum a warning but:)

Yes, I do.

There. is. no. such. thing. as. a. scum. clown. Clowns are specifically town, because you don't call scum clowns--you call them scum. You can call them incompetent scum. You can call them bad scum. You can call them flailing scum. You can call them laughably bad scum. You can call them all sorts of things.

But not a scum clown. That's not a thing.

Clown is, specifically, a town insult. It is insulting a player's capabilities as town by saying that they are a clown.
Players don't call scum, clown.

They can go, "you're either scum, or a clown"!
That's literally a phrase that people speak.

But they don't say "you're a clown" while THINKING someone is scum.
That's something that is a scumslip. Scum do it disproportionately often. Like, 90+% of the time, often. Genuinely one of the strongest scumtells, scumtell level of scumtell.

It's not semantics.

It's basic psychology.

You don't call someone who you think is scum, making posts that you think are bad, a clown.
You call someone who you think is scum, making posts that you think are bad, scum.
You call someone who you think is town, making posts that you think are bad, a clown.

The two do not mix. Half of one and half of the other is thus, a perspective slip.

You got called out for bs and are tryharding it

[Charloux]

Wow looking for scum motivation to fit ones reads sure is easy!

[Charloux]

VOTE: Kitty

[Charloux]

Alisae=

Scum

catboi=

Scum

Norwegian=

Scum

Datisi=

Scum

Bell=

Scum

KittyTacky=

Scum

Dannflor=

Town

Mistyx=

Scum

SCRRRDBEAR=

Town

Titus=

Town

fireisredsir=

Town

mastina=

Scum

Frozen Angel=

Town

Cephrir=

Scum

Marashu=

Town

Shiro=

Town

Something_Smart=

Scum

Val89=

Scum

T3=

Scum

PenguinPower=

Chad

Anybody null and below is treated as scum.

[Charloux]

Anybody null and below is treated as scum.

were you not townreading me earlier? what changed?

I never townread you. For me bias is a state of mind that prevents someone from thinking logically.
I want to townread you, but i see no logical reason to do so. Therefore a null read.

[Charloux]

I think those who think PP is anything apart from a variation of null is lying.

[Charloux]

The speedwagon is nice and all, just dont forget about the warror ceremony.

[Charloux]

Not sure. He is ranked 4th on my priority list right now, so not quite ideal.
Ill sleep on it then come back.

[Charloux]

Mastina is actively interpreting info in a way to fit his reads.
I kinda emulated that as well for my read on him.

[Charloux]

You’re not just an clown, you’re the entire circus.

Btw Norwee's scumslipping here by saying this while voting me--

Scum clown isn't a thing.

I can't be a clown and be scum.

I can be only one of the two.

Norwee's vote on me says scum, Norwee's statement I am a clown gives the true read: he knows I'm town.

Why on earth is calling someone a clown AI? You are implying scum are always criminal masterminds who never make mistakes here.
You are just twisting things around to fit your read. Oh Norwegian called me a scum clown, that doesn't exist so they are scum-slipping. It also fits my read on him. Ah that also means he confirmed i'm town guys.

mastina do you not have multiple abilities

I have one ability.

Clans aren't an ability. Everyone has that. It's not a PR if everyone has it. Saying a neighborhood is an ability in a game where everyone has it, is basically like saying a Vanilla Townie with the power of their voice and vote, is an ability. It's literally something even a VT would have.

Being an apprentice aren't an ability. That's a restriction on the abilities. A gate.

I have only one ability. Gated by being an apprentice. But only the one.

Titus doesn't have it. Did you ignore her intentionally so it can fit your read or are you implying titus is scum as well?
And since Titus doesn't have it, by your own logic your only ability is the neighbourhood. Why don't you have another ability huh?

Scum clown isn't a thing.

oh come on you don't believe this

(I don't know how to respond to this without getting banned; every term I want to get would get me at minimum a warning but:)

Yes, I do.

There. is. no. such. thing. as. a. scum. clown. Clowns are specifically town, because you don't call scum clowns--you call them scum. You can call them incompetent scum. You can call them bad scum. You can call them flailing scum. You can call them laughably bad scum. You can call them all sorts of things.

But not a scum clown. That's not a thing.

Clown is, specifically, a town insult. It is insulting a player's capabilities as town by saying that they are a clown.
Players don't call scum, clown.

They can go, "you're either scum, or a clown"!
That's literally a phrase that people speak.

But they don't say "you're a clown" while THINKING someone is scum.
That's something that is a scumslip. Scum do it disproportionately often. Like, 90+% of the time, often. Genuinely one of the strongest scumtells, scumtell level of scumtell.

It's not semantics.

It's basic psychology.

You don't call someone who you think is scum, making posts that you think are bad, a clown.
You call someone who you think is scum, making posts that you think are bad, scum.
You call someone who you think is town, making posts that you think are bad, a clown.

The two do not mix. Half of one and half of the other is thus, a perspective slip.

You got called out for bs and are tryharding it

My comments were deliberately made that way, but the general meaning should be obvious

[Charloux]

Mastina is actively interpreting info in a way to fit his reads.
I kinda emulated that as well for my read on him.

mastina is she/her

Oops

[Charloux]

All i see is Mastina using the word clown to call norwegian scum who slipped and called her town; And a technicality to call Alisae scum.
This is not town mentality at all, but i admit i find it hard to see scum doing it either.
Her reads didn't make much sense to me since the beginning but i ignored it since there wasn't anything weird until post #1354
pedit:@FA

[Charloux]

But I can understand why you been uneasy with the slot to the point of voting her.

I mean, i'm still thinking about stuff. Like there's kitty, there's Alisae who was at a center of many weird stuff, T3 who is in perpetual catchup phase, Bell is kinda off.

[Charloux]

Thought it was Not mafia for a second and was confused
My condolences for the avi.

I don't want to type about me being confused about Mastina's thought process anymore; Since nobody apart from me seems to be confused, that just means this is the standard.
The only thing i will add is that i don't think Mastina would be of any help until Norwegian is flipped; And i don't see it happening today, tomorrow and possibly further down the line.

[Charloux]

Hypothetically speaking: if a cop were to clear norwegian right now, what would you think then?

[Charloux]

Hypothetically speaking: if a cop were to clear norwegian right now, what would you think then?

[Charloux]

I wonder how many duplicates i can make if i press the button fast enough

[Charloux]

@Shiro: Do you have access to the gathering pt?

[Charloux]

I really hate these situations where you have to use your gut instead of brain.

[Charloux]

Did Dann claim leader, and did FA confirm yet?

[Charloux]

I basically believe the clan leaders are all (or at least mostly) town both reads-wise (Dannflor and FA are locktown)

[Charloux]

If dann didnt claim this statement confirms there is scum amongst leaders and that Mastina slipped

[Charloux]

But why would scum be that blatantly... Scummy?
She knows its sus but is still doing it. Is this some sort of 6d chess move?

[Charloux]

VOTE: Mastina
This is E-2 i think.
See no point in prolonging this charade.

[Charloux]

@Shiro: Do you have access to the gathering pt?

The what?

Thank you for the answer

[Charloux]

I think it's fair to say that no counterwagon is happening.

I'd switch to Kitty if that got more support.

I would switch to it in a heartbeat if it was viable

[Charloux]

ok can you share more of your thought process of why you put her as scum when you did your readlist?

No. Those readlists aren't meant to be explained.

You DO have valid reason right?

VOTE: Kitty

[Charloux]

I think we need a change of perspective.
Apart from kitty and T3, who do you feel is scummy?

@A

[Charloux]

FA did call me scum though. They decided that their point wasn't invalid about me accusing Mastina of being scumstina because of meta and that it was opportunistic.
And now they're dead.
Coincidence? *hides smoking gun*
Maybe!

Yep Bell is obvtown, let's all sheep him! *Whispers* please don't kill me...

It was a complete graveyard bro no one wanted to play

Same. Kitty posted a one-liner but i didn't want to bother replying. The leader pt was silent as well.

I don't regret flipping it I'm pretty happy that I did, it's the best flip in the game because I think it says a lot about the gamestate regardless of flip, ya know?
Pretty good flip to work off of.

I'd agree, if I got anywhere.
Which I didn't. It's all just speculation. A lot of players gave stuff away by how they navigated Mastina's wagon, but I can't seem to draw good conclusions from it.

@Alisae: So what did you figure out from the flip? Cuz i sure as heck didn't find out anything.
@Bell: Any juicy bad one?

I called it. I fucking called it. Now let's catpile Norwe.

VOTE: Norwegian

IDK THOUGH DOES DARK KITTY MAKE A POST LIKE THIS?

VOTE: DATISI

Kitty's posts have been scummy from the beginning and at this point i think he is doing it on purpose cuz of reverse psychology.

I called that Mastina is town. IDK why I am being flashwagoned. I think we should follow mastina's reads now that she is conf town.

I think you know very well why you are being flashwagoned. What makes you think town can't make mistakes? And i'm pretty sure people can't read souls, so this whole line of thought is redundant.

Get Norwe, then get Alisae.

Why not Alisae first? You better not say you are following Mastina's instructions and turned your brain off.

kitty if you are town it would be helpful if you have some thoughts on the rest of the game I think

or like outlined your thought progression more

because right now everything you say just sounds kinda fake

when you say "Angry scum" it either sounds like false bravado or like you're trying to set up fake associatives or something for when you flip

so like less comments like that and more comments that elaborate on why you're reading specific people in specific ways

if you're town of course

if not, carry on

Great objective post, we need more people like this instead of being emotional and reactive all the time

IDK IS IT A MISTAKE FOR ME TO TOWNBIN VAL?

if so, we are both making a mistake

Can you explain to me why its a townbin instead of a townread?

btw when i saw 2 PMs in my inbox i was so sure i had failed to see day 2 as town yet again

I got chills down my spine. The only game i'm /in-ed right now is the bastard one which will take ages to fill if at all.

would it be Bad and Wrong of me to think that the FA kill makes it more likely that one of the leaders is scum

I'd argue the opposite. Her role flip just enhances my theory that scum don't know who gets promoted since we can't protect them. Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.

I think we should follow mastina's reads now that she is conf town.

Like, this is not real man.

*points to random post* THIS IS NOT REAL

And I'm the one not playing? Your case on me amounts to "his tone is weird".

She didn't say your post is fake. She said "this is not real" in disbelief.
Btw say a number between 1 and 67

would it be Bad and Wrong of me to think that the FA kill makes it more likely that one of the leaders is scum

how come? i don't see how it indicates either way really, the leaders seem like good kills from what little i know + she was townie.

i guess

I was thinking along the lines of the scum in the leaders come closer to gaining control over who gets the warrior ceremony

Wouldn't it be sus if leaders start dying one after the other, but the last one doesn't?
I think the FA kill has to do something with her reads or she was so obv town after her defending Mastina that she just had to go.

Give me a good answer or i’ll vote you. I don’t give a fuck.

Hate this.

I want to think for myself a bit though. I get that everyone wants to kill Kitty and i even thought it might be a good lim during the night. But i’m wary that i’m just letting popular thought manipulate my actions so i want to just take a short break, and re-read day 1 with the flips in mind and come to completely unique conclusions.
This is 100% how you play as scum, I remember it pretty clearly. Also tone tbh. Like this post has a caught frustrated scum vibe.

One more for pragmatism, let's keep it up

Sheeping is not a naked vote.

Yes it is. Mastina voted me for no reason so sheeping is effectively the same. Except you can hide behind another persons dumbassery so it’s objectively worse.

LOOKS SvS[/quote]
Erased a part that shouldn't be erased *sigh*
What part looks SvS? Norwegian's annoyance looks genuine to me.

[Charloux]

@Dann:
Could you explain to me your thought process behind the wagon on Mastina.
1)You made a case on Alisae
2)Alisae called for a wagon on Mastina
3)You instantly sheeped her

[Charloux]

Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.

...was this known or did you out it for no reason

Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.

...was this known or did you out it for no reason

actually wait how was this known

this is not public information to the leaders afaik

Ah i can see how you misunderstood because i phrased it poorly. We were talking about scum being among leaders and i said it's unlikely because we can't protect the promoted people then gave a plausible theory pp came up with which can justify there being scum among leaders.
Didn't have the intention to state it as a fact, sorry.

[Charloux]

VOTE: T3
This should be 8 now, just don't take my word for it my brain is weird today.

[Charloux]

And whats with that reaction penguin? I cant claim leaders are conf town when i know there is an alternative solution.

[Charloux]

You didn't state it as a fact, i just accidentally wrote it as one and people misunderstood.
Its not like i take everything said for granted, like the claims, sarcastic comments and... I must say im quite an amazing specimen

[Charloux]

prodge
Been busy last few days and will be today as well. I'm still skimming so i should be able to see if there are any questions directed at me

[Charloux]

What was the point of the last 5-ish pages, it's just running in circles.
I'm waiting on Shiro to come back from V/LA, T3 to post some reads. If we need info we should flip Alisae, she is the eye of the storm of a lot of stuff that happened this game.
Kitty is still scummy, but his posting is consistent which i find harder to do as scum. He also never had a "moment of clarity" so can't call him faking it either.

Anything specific that needs commenting on?

[Charloux]

He is just annoyed people keep piling up easy ml's. Mastina D1, T3 D2, Kitty D3... When does it stop actually?

[Charloux]

What was the point of the last 5-ish pages, it's just running in circles.
I'm waiting on Shiro to come back from V/LA, T3 to post some reads.

If we need info we should flip Alisae, she is the eye of the storm of a lot of stuff that happened this game.

Kitty is still scummy, but his posting is consistent which i find harder to do as scum. He also never had a "moment of clarity" so can't call him faking it either.

Anything specific that needs commenting on?

Excuse me? Aren't you voting with alisae right now? What?

And what about kitty's posting is "consistent"? That word doesn't really mean anything to me by itself.

I have trouble understanding your questions
What's wrong with me pushing with Aliase on a slot that has decent chance of being scum?
Kitty being consistent means they are doing the same thing over and over without any changes. I haven't seen a single post that breaks that consistency which usually happens when someone is faking a playstyle for example.

[Charloux]

First you expect him to incorporate your pt in his reads and now you find it weird that he knows what shadow clan is despite him reading the first book. Oke makes sense

[Charloux]

Hmm i want to push Alisae but i also don't want to leave the T3 wagon empty handed. Decisions decisions...
VOTE: Alisae

[Charloux]

Because T3 is objectively scummy while Alisae is objectively most informative.
Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum, but Alisae is a great source of information while also being a great potential scum slot.
T3 flip on the other hand gives us... what exactly?

[Charloux]

Because T3 is objectively scummy while Alisae is objectively most informative.
Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum, but Alisae is a great source of information while also being a great potential scum slot.
T3 flip on the other hand gives us... what exactly?

What is alisae's flip supposed to be "informative" about, exactly?

and why would you not want to flip the player who you would "bet your money" on flipping scum? Isn't a player flipping scum the most informative thing possible?

That's assuming i have complete confidence in my reads and T3 will flip scum without a doubt. What information does a T3 flip bring us then?
Alisae has a lower chance of flipping scum than T3 imo, but it's still a considerate rate. And if you read the game you would know how much stuff she put herself head first into. Why do you think that won't bring us any information?
Are you going to push for a kitty execution tomorrow if T3 flips town? Who next then, Shiro's slot maybe?

[Charloux]

The thing i wanted from my vote on T3 were some reads and if none provided a role claim for the record. It's a decent flip if no alternates are found

[Charloux]

Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum

Yes i look really certain in my reads.
Won't bother telling you concrete stuff just because you are too lazy to read her ISO. From the top of my head Van, Norwegian, Dann, T3 are all tied to Alisae one way or another.

[Charloux]

That looks like you are expressing certainty, yes

people generaly don't bet money on things they are not confident in

Like i haven't talked about speculation sounding like it's confirmed before

why do I have to fucking read alisae's ISO to understand

your

read - you literally haven't given a coherent explanation. I was scumreading alisae for my own reasons, but I thought your stance on her loojed horrendously scummy and made no sense, so I'm questioning you on it. What does alisae's flip tell you about those players' alignment, exactly?
Your questions are the things that make no sense from my standpoint. Afaik people need to flip before we speculate but whatever.

The current game state is that people are pushing for potentially easy miselims. Alisae was the one who started the mastina wagon and the T3 wagon. They are also hiteknighting Noregian which i see as a scum attempting to pocket town.
That pretty much sums the important stuff

[Charloux]

The current game state is that people are pushing for potentially easy miselims. Alisae was the one who started the mastina wagon and the T3 wagon.

So is T3 a likely scumflip or a potentially easy mis-elim?? he can't be both

He is both scummy and an easy miselim for scum!Alisae who happened to push for an easy elim D1.
I can see it going either way

[Charloux]

god I love when I finally catch someone doing some real scummy shit and the entire game goes "lalalala I can't hear you"

I love mafia

I love the games on this website

Charloux is bad. Scum promote the bad. Rarely do scum push early unless someone is hyper accurate.

How many potential miselims are you going to take on average before you start looking at stuff outside the obvious.
T3, Kitty and Marashu are widely scum read, so you are just going to promote them without considering other options?
THAT is bad.

[Charloux]

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

So i'm bad for having an opinion outside the "Meta" comfort, but you are town because you don't?
If this isn't it explain to me why me having a personal opinion is bad.

[Charloux]

Assuming kitty being scummy is his town play; How would he play as scum then? What sort of stuff should i look for if most of what he does can be interpreted as scummy?

[Charloux]

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

So i'm bad for having an opinion outside the "Meta" comfort, but you are town because you don't?
If this isn't it explain to me why me having a personal opinion is bad.

It's not. Your coherence was bad. People see things differently. I don't scumread you but I think you're being sheeped for being wrong.

Don't really have a counter-argument with that. People can't judge themselves objectively, and i DO think of myself as below-average skill wise.
But that doesn't mean i should just stay quiet tho. I'll give my opinions of things i take note; Even if most are stupid, i'm certain at least some will make sense

[Charloux]

Assuming kitty being scummy is his town play; How would he play as scum then? What sort of stuff should i look for if most of what he does can be interpreted as scummy?

I didn't really say this and I don't think Kitty has been all that scummy this game

From my perspective i can quote a random post of his and see scum motivation. Now, if that is his town play, how do i differentiate between the two; That's what i asked

[Charloux]

Oh Enchant, the person with the highest KDA on mafiascum forum. No itchy fingers, deal?

[Charloux]

Kda means kill death assist.
Enchant hammers most people in the game and maybe dies once.
So number of eliminations divided by number of deaths gives a KD number.
I guess i should clarify i meant it as a joke.

Btw anybody knows why those two left? I figure Enchant did something in a prior game.

[Charloux]

Welp i guess im getting modkilled then.
It didnt have anything to do with this game so i figured it was ok

[Charloux]

Do you have access to the Gatherings pt?

[Charloux]

I can see one of them being scum. If They had access to the leader pt, that would make them nigh conftown and leaders would have scum among them.
No point in voting for Alisae now so guess it's back to T3
Lemme check the votecount first; Would like a claim

[Charloux]

VOTE: T3
I don't give a f actually. Can't even bother counting

[Charloux]

How dumb would it be to ask if someone is a protective role so we promote them and have a chain heal?

[Charloux]

Masons can you doc yourselves?

Why would you ask this? Assume yes and keep quiet

[Charloux]

Masons can you doc yourselves?

Why would you ask this? Assume yes and keep quiet

My plan was to promote a doctor or something then 2/3 people would have protection for the night. And we keep that going until scum have nowhere to hide anymore

[Charloux]

To say nobody can agree to anything anybody says would be an understatement.
I believe Marashu is town and am doing preparation work for N2 to try and salvage the situation
It will either be the stupidest thing i did this game so far or a big win for town.