Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

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BE A HERO, LEARN FIRE PREVENTION

VOTE: NORWEGIANBOY

OUR LEADER (CHARLOUX) SEEMS ALIGNED WITH STARCLAN BECAUSE OF THEIR POSTS IN OUR CLAN PT

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DANNFLOR - SUS
MISTYX - SUS
BELL - NULL
CHARLOUX - TRUSTWORTHY
FROZEN ANGEL - TRUSTWORTHY
S_S - NULL (CLOSER TO TRUSTWORTHY)

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CHANGE MISTYX FROM SUS TO TRUSTWORTHY

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CHANGE MISTYX FROM SUS TO TRUSTWORTHY

was this on the last post or

175 AND 180 SEEMED PROACTIVE

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It was mainly snark and confusion on my end; I did think that it might be a PT slip but figured that scum would be more careful.

I CAN SEE SELF-IDENTIFYING TONE AS SNARK AND CONFUSION BEING LAMIST. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH MARASHU AND I DO NOT KNOW IF I AM GOING OFF-BASE. FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF MARASHU NORMALLY SOUNDS THIS WAY.

MARASHU - SUS

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BEAR why did you vote with me?

I DID NOT LIKE HIS FONT CHOICE

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Are you the new Dr. Worm?

YES AND I AM ALSO SCRRRDBEAR

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You know, all of these catvatars are a bit distracting because i can't differentiate the players anymore.

YES I AM ALSO VISUAL THINKER

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first takes

- dann bell misty towny
- charloux FA eh maybe towny
- catboi SS hmm
- datisi marachu scummy

VOTE: datisi

why am i "hmm", and why is marashu scummy?

vibes

i thought the entrance felt light and jokey but since then you seemed kinda stiff and serious and like... quick to jump on things early in a way that i think of as more scummy for you

for marashu just gut something about the entrance felt off. like immediately going to snark as a reaction just doesnt feel right to me? i feel like the natural town response to something like that would be to be more inquisitive, it doesn't really feel sort-y

why am i towny

you feel like you really have your investigator hat on and your magnifying glass out but in a way that is more focused on moving the game forward and prodding things out from people than it is about performance or like putting your own mindset on display for townpoints

specifically it reminds me of turing test d1

And I don't think confirming role + alignment rules out clan confusion; it's usually easy to tell alignment from coloring + lack of partners/obvious scum info, even if you don't fully understand the factions or the wincon.

It may be obvious from the colouring + lack of partners that your role pm is one belonging to the uninformed majority, but if you were in possession of such, you would also have (and I assume it's acceptable to quote directly now it is given publicly) the wincon given to starclan -

"You and all other members of the protectors of StarClan win when all Dark Forest cats have been eliminated."

- which is patently clear on the issue bell expressed confusion about.

That's my hypothesis - that scum!bell was trying to replicate that selfmeta of 'derping about set up early game and asking the most basic questions that are usually also “town slippy”' without access to a critical piece of information - how the wincon was presented to starclan; and thus failing to realise there was zero, none, nada ambiguity there to 'town slip' over. I don't buy the post-sample explanation that starclan!bell thought "dark forest cats" was some larger descriptor for two or more scum clans without also believing that starclan was some larger descriptor for the town clans, and thus windclan, thunderclan, etc to be pure; and that's never going to pass review. It's nonsensical.

I can easily see town!SS realising this situation has only arisen because of the lack of a publicly posted sample PM, and thus suffer some sort of second-hand guilt on behalf of the dark forest for having a member outed so early over what is arguably a mod mistake, but why defend him now?

MY QUESTION TO EVERYONE ELSE: DO YOU READ THESE POSTS AS TRUSTWORTHY, NULL OR SUS? WHY?

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BEAR why did you vote with me?

I DID NOT LIKE HIS FONT CHOICE

why is your vote there as opposed to a sus read

I DID NOT HAVE ANY SUS READS AT THE TIME OF VOTING AND I WILL MOVE MY VOTE WHEN I SEE FIT

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But, Dr Worm wasn’t a really doctor. So you’re not really scrrrd.

SHARP PENGUIN. DO YOU WANT TO VOTE SOMEONE IN OUR CLAN TODAY?

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BEAR why did you vote with me?

I DID NOT LIKE HIS FONT CHOICE

I talked him into it in wind clan
u mad

YES I AM FURIOUS. I WANT TO VOTE IN THUNDER CLAN TODAY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

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Why don’t you see it fit now that you have sus reads would be the next question to that response.

I AM NOT EXACTLY CONVINCED THAT NORWEGIABOY IS TRUSTWORTHY OR EVEN NULL

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Why did you pick out those posts specifically

I WILL SAY AFTER MORE PLAYERS ANSWER

DANNFLOR - NULL

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VOTE: datisi?

I NOTICE SOMETHING IS OFF AS WELL.

DATISI - SUS
BELL - NULL (CLOSER TO TRUSTWORTHY)

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CHARLOUX - TRUSTWORTHY
MISTYX - TRUSTWORTHY
PENGUIN - TRUSTWORTHY
FROZEN ANGEL - TRUSTWORTHY (CLOSER TO NULL)
BELL - NULL (CLOSER TO TRUSTWORTHY)
S_S - NULL (CLOSER TO TRUSTWORTHY)
DANNFLOR - NULL
NORWEGIANBOY - NULL (CLOSER TO SUS)
DATISI - SUS
MARASHU - SUS

ALISAE - UNSURE
FIRE - 196
VAL - 196

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Norwee
FA
Catboi
Datisi

are all probably town though?

INTERESTING

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can you paraphrase what happened in wind tribe that made you town read norwee

Yes he is playing the game and I feel like we are on the same page when it comes to the topics we discussed

IT'S NOT WORTH BEING CAGEY UNTIL YOU ELIMINATE THE DARK ONE IN YOUR CLAN. OURS IS MARASHU.

VOTE: MARASHU

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THUNDER CLAN WOULD LIKE TO ALLY WITH WIND CLAN. CAN YOU TWO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF MARASHU AND ANSWER 196?

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THUNDER CLAN WOULD LIKE TO ALLY WITH WIND CLAN. CAN YOU TWO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF MARASHU AND ANSWER 196?

What does this even mean? Like, all the clans have the same goal and are working together?

YOU CAN SEE WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IN OUR THUNDERCLAN PT

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They also said they don't see any reason behind the bear's reads.

VERY INTERESTING:

FIRE - 196
VAL - 196

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i agree with like basically all of the caps bear's takes so far so he can maybe be town

WHAT TAKES?

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i agree with like basically all of the caps bear's takes so far so he can maybe be town

WHAT TAKES?

your reads in 215 are v similar to mine, the only real difference is that i think dann is towny and you have him as null

i also wouldn't say i lean trustworthy on SS but eh idk

what makes you lean that way?

129 AND 234 SEEM SINCERE

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ONLY

YOU

CAN PREVENT WILDFIRES

THUNDER CLAN WOULD LIKE TO ALLY WITH WIND CLAN. CAN YOU TWO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF MARASHU AND ANSWER 196?

What does this even mean? Like, all the clans have the same goal and are working together?

YOU CAN SEE WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IN OUR THUNDERCLAN PT

Yes, but I'm asking you here.

Because I don't actually understand it

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A REAL QUESTION OR TO FEIGN ACTIVITY. JUST BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE DOESN'T MEAN THERE WON'T BE AN ODD GROUP OUT WHICH HAS LESS INFLUENCE THAN THE OTHERS. WITH WIND CLAN AND THUNDER CLAN SUPPORTING EACH OTHER WE CAN RUN THIS FOREST.

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IF ALISAE TRUSTS NORWEGIANBOY AND VAL AND ALISAE ARE BOTH STARCLAN DUE TO THEIR IMPULSIVITY AND CONVICTION, WHO IS LEFT IN WIND CLAN? WINDCLAN SEEMS EASY TO TRUST OVERALL AND IS THE GROUP I FEEL SECOND-MOST-COMFORTABLE HUNTING DARK ONES IN.

question doesn't do anything. You just don't know what's going on because you haven't worked with Norwee to the extent I have. HE LITERALLY ANSWERED YOU YES.
If we're town we just see the same things. The best part is Norwee saw what I saw in FA's play without even knowing who the person is. That is TOWNIE.

THAT EXPERIENCE ALSO COULD MEAN NORWEGIANBOY KNOWS HOW TO MANIPULATE YOU FASTER THAN YOU ARE USED TO FROM OTHER PLAYERS. DID YOU TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT?

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Scarrdbear who is in your group that you know of?

MARASHU, PENGUIN, CHARLOUX AND MYSELF. YOURS?

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I AM SUSPICIOUS THERE WILL BE A MECHANIC WHICH MAKES SOME CATS LEAVE AND FORM SKY CLAN.

Scarrdbear who is in your group that you know of?

MARASHU, PENGUIN, CHARLOUX AND MYSELF. YOURS?

4 total? We also have 4, or at least i think we do. No idea if there’s more that haven’t checked in yet.
The 4th player hasn’t posted much so idk if we should reveal yet? Maybe give it some time to think about it.

Me / Alisae / Val / ??

Ok nvm it’s unanimous.
Our 4th member is Shiro.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE IN TOTAL. SHII, KITTY TACKY, AND MASTINA HAVEN'T POSTED YET. WE COULD BOTH HAVE ONE OF THEM? I FOS SHIRO/5TH PLAYER IN YOUR CLAN AND MARASHU/5TH MEMBER IN OURS. I TRUST EVERYONE ELSE BETWEEN OUR TWO CLANS.

IF EITHER OF OUR CLANS CAN NARROW DOWN A GOOD SUSPECT WITHIN OURSELVES PAST A 50/50 CHANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER TO VOTE OUT THE DARK ONE. OTHERWISE (IF WE DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT WE WILL HIT A DARK ONE WITHIN OUR TWO GROUPS) I WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER TO REDIRECT THE VOTE TOWARD SOMEONE IN ANOTHER CLAN, AWAY FROM THUNDER CLAN AND WIND CLAN.

I actually feel like the remark from Marashu was towny? Like, the whole paranoid world "did you post in the wrong pt?" suspicion seems way more likely to come from a townie, I don't think it's a thought that is very likely to occur to scum.

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I thought Val89 was fixated on something town is more likely to fixate on than scum

fireisredsir has a naturally scummy tone to his posts imo across both alignments, but i thought his justifications were reasonable

I think I need to see a larger volume of fire posts before I can really read him effectively

I do think he's like a little more performative as scum than town and so I liked him posting takes first and only explaining them when asked

Why did you pick out those posts specifically

THERE WAS NOT A DEEP REASON FOR THEIR SELECTION. MY FIRST IMPULSE WAS TO TOWNREAD THOSE POSTS BUT I DID NOT TRUST MY JUDGMENT AND REALIZED I WAS MORE CURIOUS HOW OTHERS FELT.

If anything I feel like I'm more jokey to begin the game as scum but meh no going to debate this. Me getting serious was p obviously a factor of the things I saw being posted.

I actually feel like the remark from Marashu was towny? Like, the whole paranoid world "did you post in the wrong pt?" suspicion seems way more likely to come from a townie, I don't think it's a thought that is very likely to occur to scum.

i mean i don't get that feeling from it at all tho?

like there isn't a town curiousness behind it, it doesn't come off as a serious paranoid wondering if he actually did post in the wrong PT. it's more of a sassy response, feels to me like poking fun at someone they know is town

DO YOU USUALLY SCUMREAD SASSINESS OR ONLY IN THIS CONTEXT?

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DO YOU USUALLY SCUMREAD SASSINESS OR ONLY IN THIS CONTEXT?

it's more about the lack of what looks like trying to sort charloux off the interaction

the sass makes it look like he doesn't care about pressing further on it in a serious manner or like he's interested in determining charloux's alignment

sass on its own is probably generally something id be more likely to townread for most people

I FEEL THIS, ACTUALLY. DO YOU AGREE WITH MY ASSESSMENT ON WIND CLAN?

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This is a boring post that people will not want to listen to but in all likelihood given a setup of 4 clan hoods of 5 players + 1 stray, which seems very probable at this point, alignments were distributed randomly between all players rather than being mod-assigned. It is possible, albeit unilikely, that a hood is pure.

DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE FOR THIS? WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE ALIGNMENT IS RANDOMIZED BETWEEN SUB GROUPS RATHER THAN WITHIN SUB GROUPS? IT'S INTUITIVE FOR ME TO ASSUME THEY ARE RANDOMIZED WITHIN THE CLANS RATHER THAN BETWEEN. I STILL BELIEVE 4 CATS WILL DEPART TO FORM SKY CLAN, AND THERE WILL BE 1 DARK ONE WITHIN THAT SUBGROUP OF CATS AS WELL.

HOWEVER, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE THIS IS THE CASE, THIS IS JUST WHAT MAKES SENSE PERSONALLY TO ME FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHY IT'S MORE PROBABLE ALIGNMENT IS RANDOMIZED BETWEEN SUB GROUPS?

we have 5 so i think yours are just missing people so far

(me / bell / penguin / fire / ceph)

I'm tunneled on Datisi and they haven't even posted since the last time.

SCRDB goes up a little. with one point of hesitation + unfamiliarity. Consider it an asterisk.

I KNOW THAT I AGREED WITH YOU EARLIER ABOUT DATISI FEELING OFF, BUT SINCE THEN I'VE DECIDED SOMETHING FEELS OFF WITH YOUR POSTS AS WELL. ARE YOU HIDING ANYTHING? IN PARTICULAR, I DISLIKE THAT YOU ARE TUNNELING ON A MEMBER FROM ANOTHER CLAN. I FEEL THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO AVOID DIRECT CONFRONTATION EARLY ON.

If you want to use the clans as mental bracketing for sorting a group of people it's fine. Just please for fuck's sake don't start chain-limming people in endgame because "we haven't found the scum in their hood yet".

I PROMISE.

I'm thinking catboi is town. Bell and Datisi kinda feels like scum theatre (or at least something's off about their interactions). Because of how our PT's been going I've been spending energy trying to parse that.

I'M NOT SURE I BUY THAT OUR PT HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT TO PARSE.

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I dunno what your fixation is on clan stuff. But I just scum read Datisi because their approach aligns with what I think of as their scum game.
It honestly seems like you're failing to apply ockham's razor here and making an assumption based on flavor. It's a waste of glucose, but okay.

Er, I've probably confronted 2 or more people and been giving takes unrelated to Datisi, so I guess you're not paying attention because I don't really see what benefit you get from making stuff up that clearly doesn't fit what I'm actually doing.

THIS IS THE ONLY VOTE I SEE IN YOUR ISO:

VOTE: datisi?

I'M NOT SEEING VERY MUCH IN THE WAY OF WORDS WITHIN YOUR ISO WHICH I CAN CHARACTERIZE AS CONFRONTATIONAL OTHER THAN YOUR PUSH ON DATISI. IN FACT, I WOULD DESCRIBE YOUR ISO AS QUITE PENSIVE BOTH IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PLAYERS AND TO YOUR OWN TOWN META. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH ABOUT MY STATEMENT?

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IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET FURTHER CLARITY FROM THE MODERATOR ABOUT WHEN/HOW ALIGNMENT WAS RANDOMIZED?

basically I think having a designated amount of scum per hood is bad design practice because it rewards people for making arbitrary assumptions about neighborhood just because they exist. In particular with the whole game being this setup it just makes more sense things would be random and it couldn't easily be metagamed - like, trying to answer the question "would to mod make the stray be scum" isn't really mafia because you're trying to guess what someone who isn't a player in the game was thinking. Whereas if it's purely randomyou have to actually bother to sort that player. I don't know ydrasse's design sense specifically, I'm not claiming to have any insider knowledge, but I imagine she'd trend toward not letting the setup be easily metagamed like that.

I UNDERSTAND MUCH BETTER NOW AND WILL KEEP THIS IN MIND MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT. I MIGHT GO BACK AND RE-EVALUATE SOME OF MY READS.

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Spoiler:

IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET FURTHER CLARITY FROM THE MODERATOR ABOUT WHEN/HOW ALIGNMENT WAS RANDOMIZED?

basically I think having a designated amount of scum per hood is bad design practice because it rewards people for making arbitrary assumptions about neighborhood just because they exist. In particular with the whole game being this setup it just makes more sense things would be random and it couldn't easily be metagamed - like, trying to answer the question "would to mod make the stray be scum" isn't really mafia because you're trying to guess what someone who isn't a player in the game was thinking. Whereas if it's purely randomyou have to actually bother to sort that player. I don't know ydrasse's design sense specifically, I'm not claiming to have any insider knowledge, but I imagine she'd trend toward not letting the setup be easily metagamed like that.

I UNDERSTAND MUCH BETTER NOW AND WILL KEEP THIS IN MIND MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT. I MIGHT GO BACK AND RE-EVALUATE SOME OF MY READS.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH I WAS IMAGINING SOME KIND OF PUZZLE BOX SETUP (WHICH I ENJOY) AND MAY HAVE BEEN BIASED BY THE DIVIDE AND CONQUER GAME I JUST COMPLETED. NOW THAT YOU'VE FRAMED THE

IMPACT

OF THE DESIGN CHOICE FOR ME, I CAN ACCEPT I WAS LIKELY JUST PROJECTING THINGS I WAS ALREADY THINKING ABOUT INTO MY SETUP SPEC RATHER THAN THINKING CRITICALLY ABOUT WHAT IS MORE LIKELY TO EXIST.

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139 - 148 doesn't feel real to me and I think I'm fixating on it.

VOTE: Marashu

I went back and thought about this. Those posts just look like regular early game banter to me, I could see an exceptionally paranoid mind going s/s there but the "I think I'm fixating on it" is a very odd choice of verbiage. It feels like a bit of self-narration meant to make it

look

like Marashu is thinking about things but comes across as unnatural. It's more concerned with talking about

what

he's doing over

why

he's doing it, if that makes sense.

IT'S AWKWARD BECAUSE THIS POINT ABOUT DATISI AND BELL IS PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING MARASHU AND I HAVE AGREED ON. I DO HAVE AN EXCEPTIONALLY PARANOID MIND THOUGH. I AM NOT SURE IF MARASHU GENUINELY SHARES THIS TRAIT OR IS LEANING INTO IT AS A PERSONA.

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fwiw it's roughly an 80% chance of at least 1 scum in a hood if I'm right so it's totally fine to solve people in groups based on hoods, at least in the early game, if it helps you to think about things better.

I'm personally not paying much attention to the hood groupings outside my own though

YES, IT IS ACTUALLY HELPING ME A LITTLE BIT TO THINK THAT WAY!

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I dunno what your fixation is on clan stuff. But I just scum read Datisi because their approach aligns with what I think of as their scum game.
It honestly seems like you're failing to apply ockham's razor here and making an assumption based on flavor. It's a waste of glucose, but okay.

Er, I've probably confronted 2 or more people and been giving takes unrelated to Datisi, so I guess you're not paying attention because I don't really see what benefit you get from making stuff up that clearly doesn't fit what I'm actually doing.

THIS IS THE ONLY VOTE I SEE IN YOUR ISO:

VOTE: datisi?

I'M NOT SEEING VERY MUCH IN THE WAY OF WORDS WITHIN YOUR ISO WHICH I CAN CHARACTERIZE AS CONFRONTATIONAL OTHER THAN YOUR PUSH ON DATISI. IN FACT, I WOULD DESCRIBE YOUR ISO AS QUITE PENSIVE BOTH IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PLAYERS AND TO YOUR OWN TOWN META. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH ABOUT MY STATEMENT?

I dunno why you think me having only voted one person is evidence that I'm not confrontational. Heck, I usually don't vote much.
Yes, I disagree with your opinion about my town meta. I know my town meta best afterall and I'm genuinely unsure where you got the idea I'm more pensive this game than all the other games in which I've been pensive. Because I'm *really* pensive. And then I'm not.
I don't even think my push on datisi is confrontational, but I'd argue in terms of potentially stepping on toes Catboi and Datisi would be two.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD RESPONSE BUT I CAN ONLY NULL READ YOU AT BEST FOR IT.

ALSO, I DISAGREE THAT YOU (COLLECTIVE) KNOW YOUR OWN TOWN META BEST, BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR EGO SPEAKING, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR EGO IS ACTUALLY THE BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR HOW YOU ARE PERCEIVED BY OTHERS.

VOTE: Somethin_Smart

hello hi!! I have coarse, thick steel-gray fur and purr when you stroke my chin gonna go read clan pt then sleep xoxo

FOS SHIIDAJI

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ALSO, I DISAGREE THAT YOU (COLLECTIVE) KNOW YOUR OWN TOWN META BEST, BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR EGO SPEAKING, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR EGO IS ACTUALLY THE BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR HOW YOU ARE PERCEIVED BY OTHERS.

OR FOR WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM LOSS.

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FOS SHIIDAJI

YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE JUST POSTED IN HOOD OH MY GOD

LOL TRY ME

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So my wagon looks like this:
Frozen Angel, Something_Smart, Titus, Mistyx, Datisi, Kitty, Norweigan.

TITUS POTENTIAL THIRD PARTY.

DATISI, KITTY AND NORWEGIAN WAGON INVOLVEMENT ARE THE MOST LIKELY TO BE SUS.

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@dann

i do think moonlogicy theories are townie, however my issue is that he assigned scum-motivation to one person for it when a lot of other people have done it, and he never commented on that. that's something that can potentially be scum motivated and i want him to explain his thoughts there

i don't want to vote val rn because i have been wrong before so i want to give more time to sit on that, and i don't think voting him will help me solve him (as it will with charloux)

@fire

i don't remember calling marashu boring (or saying anything about him, really) but i don't really have thoughts on him rn - i'm interested to see where he takes the datisi/bell theory

no thoughts head empty on catboi

why is it that you asked about the two of these specifically?

DARK ONE POST IMO

VOTE: DATISI

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I think I moderately agree with S_S on charloux. I missed that post. Sometimes people commit to a role early, but I don’t know them well enough to know if they’d do that so I think it’s probably okay just to give it a generic thumbs up.

I dunno what to say to the town core thing. Unless we use entirely different definitions of town cores the k my one I’d even consider would be Mastina at this point and that’s just a default.

I don’t know your history with these players to know if the people you’re town reading are the people you tend to clash with but I’m moderately surprised that you clash with marashu or that they clash much at all.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT BY DESCRIBING DATISI'S SCUM POSTS AS WORKMANLIKE YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE ABSENCE OF DOUBT AND PARANOIA?

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IMO 386 LOOKS INFORMED. JUST DRYLY ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND CHATTING ABOUT TELLS.

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Who wants to be the one to tell Bear there are confirmed to be no third parties?

TITUS IS PROBABLY A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN THEN, THEY SEEM PRETTY INVESTED IN...UH... WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE DOING.

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I think I moderately agree with S_S on charloux. I missed that post. Sometimes people commit to a role early, but I don’t know them well enough to know if they’d do that so I think it’s probably okay just to give it a generic thumbs up.

I dunno what to say to the town core thing. Unless we use entirely different definitions of town cores the k my one I’d even consider would be Mastina at this point and that’s just a default.

I don’t know your history with these players to know if the people you’re town reading are the people you tend to clash with but I’m moderately surprised that you clash with marashu or that they clash much at all.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT BY DESCRIBING DATISI'S SCUM POSTS AS WORKMANLIKE YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE ABSENCE OF DOUBT AND PARANOIA?

IMO 386 LOOKS INFORMED. JUST DRYLY ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND CHATTING ABOUT TELLS.

Hah, bear didn’t know there were confirmed no third parties.
Learn to read. (*naturally I didn’t know this either*)

? Chat about all of them. Why do you think each is town? Rational and irrational reasons are fine.

I do think we have different definitions of town cores because I tend to think of town cores as players that you are reasonably confident are town. Which I don’t think you reasonably could be at this point.

I ADDRESSED A QUESTION TO YOU REGARDING YOUR DATISI TELL.

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Go to class.
*pokes*

I can't concisely articulate a rebuttal to your argument that every post you make *has* to be toward producing content. Because I didn't say that.
I just think you treat the game more like a chore as scum than as town and your posts reflect that in how you use your ideology.
I would hope you couldn't disagree with the characterization given that's how you described it yourself in a scum PT or two.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD DESCRIPTION OF THIS SERIES OF POSTS IN PARTICULAR:

VOTE: datisi

you said i have a townie vote, wtf

also fire - why did you unvote me when i was asleep? like, you knew my sleeping schedule beforehand, no?

bc i can feel that i'm not in the vibe of the game yet, esp not in main thread, so i don't think i get much about your alignment by asking that

you can answer if it's something interesting ig

don't you usually like to sort people based on engaging with their pushes on you

if i think they're unreasonable or i sense bad faith from them, yes

i've olayed w you enough and ik you have played w me enough ti sense i was being kinda off

so i guessed that was why and didn't feel it's worthwhile to ask you about it

so in a way, yes i was waiting to see where you went with it because the current vote from you is boring nd doesn't tell me much

ans i do think i'm more engaged in the hood because i love posting in purple pts , i'll prob try to be conscious about it and not let myself get behind in the main thesd

@dann, why is my vote on charloux bad?

also pls excuse typos, currently speedwalking to class and trying ti not get hit by a csr

I just think you treat the game more like a chore as scum than as town and your posts reflect that in how you use your ideology.

i guess i'm more interested in how you are fitting this with my posts so far this game,but i'm also rapidly losing faith in this being s productive line of reasoning

@dann

i do think moonlogicy theories are townie, however my issue is that he assigned scum-motivation to one person for it when a lot of other people have done it, and he never commented on that. that's something that can potentially be scum motivated and i want him to explain his thoughts there

i don't want to vote val rn because i have been wrong before so i want to give more time to sit on that, and i don't think voting him will help me solve him (as it will with charloux)

@fire

i don't remember calling marashu boring (or saying anything about him, really) but i don't really have thoughts on him rn - i'm interested to see where he takes the datisi/bell theory

no thoughts head empty on catboi

why is it that you asked about the two of these specifically?

something something good scumgame big paranoia etc etc

i did vaguely read your thoughts on him but they didn't really resonate with me one way or another, so

i was hoping to gain insight by seeing his read on me but apparently he has NONE so far so idk i will just be vibing there for now

i will combat that bias by immediately forgetting who is in what clan

(but yes agreed, solving by "x scum in y hood" is dumb and we should not do it)

I AM OBSERVING SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN BELL THOUGH, WHAT IS STANDING OUT TO ME IS AN ABSENCE OF DOUBT, CURIOSITY AND PARANOIA IN DATISI'S POSTS. I AGREE THAT THEY DO READ LIKE HOMEWORK.

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I'll elaborate on what i don't like. Give me a sec.

IT'S OKAY, YOU NEED YOUR REST. IT TAKES EFFORT TO FABRICATE A GOOD SCUM READ.

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My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

I've posted in the ThunderClan PT. I don't see your post in there. Double-check that you posted in the right PT?

Would appreciate an answer to this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Charloux

I was just messing with him?

This for one. And your response to sussing FA felt very forced. "Sorry you don't have a sense of humor" was especially iffy response.

HOW IS THIS MORE LIKELY TO COME FROM A DARK ONE?

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"Sorry you don't have a sense of humor" was especially iffy response.

WHY?

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Apart from these, the only one who left a strong opinion on me is bear. Mentally i don't like him, but his posts looks really towny

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE SHADE TO ANYONE ELSE? THIS SEEMS VERY PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE IN A WAY THAT A DARK ONE MAY ALLOW TO SEEP INTO THEIR POSTS.

MODERATOR, CAN WE GET ANY CLARIFICATION ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OUR CLAN LEADER IS VOTED OUT?

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I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?

OUR CLAN LEADER WANTS ME TO STOP PARAPHRASING OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THE MAIN THREAD.

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They are an incredibly strange bear tho.
Come back when you see something scummy or townie.

WHY AM I STRANGE BEAR RATHER THAN AN AVERAGE BEAR? SERIOUS QUESTION, ACTUALLY.

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I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?

I THINK IT WAS A POE READ BECAUSE I WAS OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WOULD BE 1 DARK ONE IN EACH HOOD, AND I QUICKLY BELIEVED THAT CHARLOUX AND PENGUIN WERE TOWN.

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I consider gimmicks to come from strange people.@Bear.

OH.

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I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?

I shared my role and what it does(Regretting it deeply now), then we had a bit of a discussion.
After this Bear came, shared a lot of reads. Marashu also had some reads.
The last thing i commented is that i don't see a point in talking in the pt since bear will just say everything in the main thread, so i might as well skip that step and post directly.

The thing on Marashu is bear trying to clean the thunder pt from scum.

I AM NOT DOING THAT ANY MORE:

I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?

OUR CLAN LEADER WANTS ME TO STOP PARAPHRASING OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THE MAIN THREAD.

SEE?

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yes, the point of that post was to address concerns, what would you expect to be different about it from town-me?

I EXPECT TOWN-YOU TO BE LESS CALM AND CHATTY. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TOWNREAD BY PUSHING USELESS CONVERSATIONS FORWARD UNTIL PEOPLE STOP SUSPECTING YOU. YOU SEEM MENACING HERE WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM TOWN-YOU.

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having read the further posts from bear, i can see where he's coming from and i think his push is very townie. it's *wrong* obviously, but i think his posts show curiosity and solving my alignment that i don't think is very likely to be from scum.

THIS FEELS APPEASING, LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ME TO STOP SUSPECTING YOU BY TELLING ME WHAT YOU THINK I WANT TO HEAR. TOWN-YOU WOULDN'T REACT WITH THIS LEVEL OF COMFORT AND CONFIDENCE WHEN A "STRANGE BEAR" ACCUSES YOU OF BEING A DARK ONE.

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I don't see anything that particularly pings me about Marashu from what is evident in this thread. Anyone from Thunder able to give me a TLDR on what's happening in there to want to wagon Marashu, or point me to it if it's already been given and I've missed it?

I HAVE DECIDED THAT MARASHU IS NULL (CLOSER TO SUS.) THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING SUSPICIOUS BUT THERE IS A FEELING I HAVE THAT SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT WITH THEM. IT COULD BE THAT THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT ME AND I AM EXPERIENCING TRANSFERENCE. I WOULD RECOMMEND GIVING THEM SOME BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AND ALSO KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON THEM.

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also, why wouldn't i be clam?

BECAUSE TOWN-YOU IS UNINFORMED WHICH CREATES UNCERTAINTY, SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT DISPLAYING.

i get pushed for nonsense in the early game practically every other game nowadays. i didn't think the current pushes on me were very notable or interesting. i still wanted to address them.

THIS IS A FALSE NARRATIVE INTENDED TO EXPLAIN AWAY YOUR SCUM TELLS. IT IS TRUE THAT YOU ARE OFTEN PUSHED EARLY FOR BAD REASONS; HOWEVER, TOWN-YOU DOESN'T REACT THE WAY YOU ARE REACTING NOW BECAUSE TOWN-YOU HAS TO SORT THE PLAYERS PUSHING YOU. YOU AREN'T TRYING TO SORT PLAYERS LIKE ME WHO ARE PUSHING YOU, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO APPEAR NONCHALANT AND HOPING TO GET TOWNREAD RANDOMLY ON ACCIDENT BY BEING PRESENT IN THE THREAD.

NEXT, ONCE YOU REALIZE THAT I WILL NOT BE TALKED AWAY FROM MY TONE READ ON YOU, YOU WILL FLIP YOUR READ ON ME AND MAKE BAD EXCUSES WHY MY READ ON YOU SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED.

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i think that datisi as town would be capable of recognizing that bear is towny here but i do agree that his reaction to suspicion on him in general feels weird and off to me

I AGREE WITH THIS COMPLETELY, IT ISN'T THE TOWNREAD ITSELF I'M SUSPICIOUS OF, IT'S THE CONFIDENCE HE HAS IN IT AND THE WAY IT FEELS LIKE HE IS SAYING THAT I'M TOWN IN ORDER TO APPEASE ME.

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Anyway bear, I’m not buying this. While Datisi is liable to being uncertain and getting stunned at certain points in game, i think expecting datisi to be this way now doesn’t seem realistic. It’s also one of those things where it’s just easier to read later.

I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE ACCURATELY READ DATISI AND YOU ARE IN THE WRONG HERE. ULTIMATELY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT MY READ IS CORRECT, NOTHING I'VE SAID SO FAR IS BASED OFF OF UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS, SO YOUR INITIAL TAKE IS WRONG.

ALSO, I INTEND TO USE SOME OF THE 9 IRL DAYS PROVIDED TO RESET AND GIVE DATISI A SECOND-LOOK, AS OPPOSED TO FOLLOWING YOUR IMPLICATION AND WAITING UNTIL D9 TO WAGON MY SOLID D1 SCUM READ BECAUSE ???

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what do you mean i'm not displaying uncertainty? i haven't outed a read on dann or fire (because guess what, i don't have it), and i explicitly said i don't have a read on catboi or marashu. like... i am not certain on their alignment? i'm not sure why you're conflating being uncertain with being upset, but knock yourself out i guess.

so if i townread you for your push on me, i'm just asskissing you, but if i don't have a read on e.g. fire for his push on me because i think it's boring, i'm "not sorting". wait no, you said i'm not sorting you either. okay. sorry i'm not doing things according to your schedule.

pedit - fire, is that thought supported by meta or is it independent of it? what feels off to you?

THIS LOOKS LIKE A STRAWMAN FALLACY WHERE YOU ARE USING HYPERBOLE IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT MY READ ON YOU.

but the way you approach games as scum seems to vary widely and ive wrongly let go of suspicion before

NO!!

*shrug* I’m bored.

nothing is happening and honestly I am wasting posts by posting this post and the post before it where I told bear that his datisi scumread is wrong!!!

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A SCUM WAGONED ON D1 WHO DIDN'T HAVE AT LEAST 1 PLAYER ARGUING PERSISTENTLY THAT THEY ARE INNOCENT.

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UNVOTE: DATISI

WHILE WE'RE BOTH HERE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU DATISI

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FIRE GETS MORE POWERFUL BY THE MINUTE. ALWAYS KNOW WHERE THE FIRE EXIT IS!

ANY REASON YOU CAN'T SHARE ABOUT YOUR READ ON

Crap I wanted to get caught up tonight, but I'm running out of steam.

I'm sorry, I don't think I can.

I got half-way, to page 9, but I don't think I can get everything done tonight, sorry.

VOTE: MASTINA?

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I’m starting to wonder if it’s possible to develop a read on penguin early.

Only if you’re skitter or pooky.

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I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE GETTING READS ON DATISI'S SLOT?

most in the "??? null" are people i wanna see more from, with the exception of norwee who i just like. can't read if he doesn't post stuff in the main thread. and he said he won't. so fuck me i guess.

WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE READING TITUS' SLOT?

sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

NAH, YOU SOUND GOOD!

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{Charloux, Marashu, Mixtyx, Val89}
(second tier still locktown, just not same certainty--all of them I almost put in the above tier, so the separation between them is very small and nearly nonexistent.)

WHY DID YOU BOTHER TO PUT THIS HERE?

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WHY ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE READING TITUS' SLOT?

because she hasn't done anything

I've done plenty mechanically. :/

i don't care about mechanics

or more precisely, i can't read alignment from mechanical arguments

OKAY OKAY I GET IT, YOU TWO ARE DEFINITELY "NOT PARTNERED." YOU CAN STOP INSISTING ON IT.

sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

I didn't take it as snark. I know that little.

I have so much reading to do and no one to bounce ideas off of.

well it's not just you i was ruder than i should've been to norwee earlier and annoyed val too

NAH, IMO YOU'RE PLAYING WELL AND YOU WERE BEING ASSERTIVE, NOT RUDE.

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sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

I didn't take it as snark. I know that little.

I have so much reading to do and no one to bounce ideas off of.

well it's not just you i was ruder than i should've been to norwee earlier and annoyed val too

No problem. Anywhere other than Datisi NorwegianboyEE that I should focus on? Any hood in particular worth sorting? Are they both in the same hood?

WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING LIKE YOU HAVEN'T READ THE GAME?

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THE CAT AVATARS ARE STARTING TO CRACK ME UP A LIL'

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YES!

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LMAO

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Well, since it's coming up for other people, I'll bring up I also had to step away from the site last Nov so I haven't played in almost a year.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S WHY YOU COME OFF SOMETIMES AS KIND OF SCUM FROZEN?

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mastina's case on Alisae/Norwee is very compelling. I feel like her arguments on Alisae are stronger so it's interesting that she's more sure on Norwee. VOTE: Norwee

I DON'T THINK NORWAY IS A VIABLE MISLIM IF THAT'S WHERE YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS

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This is, uh, an Interesting statement considering that I would not expect that read on Penguin from most players. I ?probably? have the best read on Penguin out of anyone in this game and I think he's been decidedly null so far. He gets more readable as the game goes on and I expect by the end of Day 1 I should have a strong read on his alignment But I don't so far. What did you see from him you thought was towny?

I BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE AND I AM EITHER POCKETED OR GOT LUCKY (MAYBE DUE TO HOOD?) AND SAW SOMETHING IN PENGUIN'S POSTS WHICH YOU HAVEN'T YET

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ok I think I have parsed this post.

townreads bell for 24. (Honestly, not bad)
31 gives him "bad vibes." Guy goes on to say it comes from the formatting of the post (You cannot make up how he described what it is he did to describe what he felt about the formatting/spacing)
likes 41
doesn't agree w/ 51
52 i just don't get what is going on with his commentary here at all??? (I think this guy is reading into RVS stuff way too much)
likes 61
doesn't like 73 (???????????????)
said 99 was tmi (??????????????)
liked dann
liked 112
likes fa feels like she is explaining her push well (whatever the fuck that means)
says ceph could be scum for being snippy (Isn't that just how Ceph is. I mean can't blame him for not knowing)
likes 204
doesn't like 234
likes misty

IDK I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I THINK THIS MAY BE KIND OF SCUMMY?

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ok I think I have parsed this post.

townreads bell for 24. (Honestly, not bad)
31 gives him "bad vibes." Guy goes on to say it comes from the formatting of the post (You cannot make up how he described what it is he did to describe what he felt about the formatting/spacing)
likes 41
doesn't agree w/ 51
52 i just don't get what is going on with his commentary here at all??? (I think this guy is reading into RVS stuff way too much)
likes 61
doesn't like 73 (???????????????)
said 99 was tmi (??????????????)
liked dann
liked 112
likes fa feels like she is explaining her push well (whatever the fuck that means)
says ceph could be scum for being snippy (Isn't that just how Ceph is. I mean can't blame him for not knowing)
likes 204
doesn't like 234
likes misty

IDK I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I THINK THIS MAY BE KIND OF SCUMMY?

What about it is scummy

IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE BOTH FISHING FOR TOWNREADS AND SHOWING A FEAR OF POSTING IN THE MAIN THREAD?

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ok I think I have parsed this post.

townreads bell for 24. (Honestly, not bad)
31 gives him "bad vibes." Guy goes on to say it comes from the formatting of the post (You cannot make up how he described what it is he did to describe what he felt about the formatting/spacing)
likes 41
doesn't agree w/ 51
52 i just don't get what is going on with his commentary here at all??? (I think this guy is reading into RVS stuff way too much)
likes 61
doesn't like 73 (???????????????)
said 99 was tmi (??????????????)
liked dann
liked 112
likes fa feels like she is explaining her push well (whatever the fuck that means)
says ceph could be scum for being snippy (Isn't that just how Ceph is. I mean can't blame him for not knowing)
likes 204
doesn't like 234
likes misty

IDK I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I THINK THIS MAY BE KIND OF SCUMMY?

What about it is scummy

IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE BOTH FISHING FOR TOWNREADS AND SHOWING A FEAR OF POSTING IN THE MAIN THREAD?

You're referring to Shiida? I am confused

YEAH

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ok I think I have parsed this post.

townreads bell for 24. (Honestly, not bad)
31 gives him "bad vibes." Guy goes on to say it comes from the formatting of the post (You cannot make up how he described what it is he did to describe what he felt about the formatting/spacing)
likes 41
doesn't agree w/ 51
52 i just don't get what is going on with his commentary here at all??? (I think this guy is reading into RVS stuff way too much)
likes 61
doesn't like 73 (???????????????)
said 99 was tmi (??????????????)
liked dann
liked 112
likes fa feels like she is explaining her push well (whatever the fuck that means)
says ceph could be scum for being snippy (Isn't that just how Ceph is. I mean can't blame him for not knowing)
likes 204
doesn't like 234
likes misty

IDK I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I THINK THIS MAY BE KIND OF SCUMMY?

What about it is scummy

IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE BOTH FISHING FOR TOWNREADS AND SHOWING A FEAR OF POSTING IN THE MAIN THREAD?

You're referring to Shiida? I am confused

YEAH

what is that based off of? Like, what did u see that got made u think that.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE BOTH FISHING FOR TOWNREADS AND SHOWING A FEAR OF POSTING IN THE MAIN THREAD

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That does not change my question I am asking you to show me what parts made u think he is fishing and showing a fear of posting in main thread based off of my shorthand notes of me summarizing the post.

I CAN'T QUOTE THE ABSENCE OF SOMETHING

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Jkvkhdykfufjhcjhdyirouufi

I don’t get it, am I not making myself clear like?
I just wanna understand how it is you reached the conclusion that they are trying to fish for townreads while showing a fear of posting in main thread?

BECAUSE THEY MADE LIKE ONE REAL POST AND DIPPED? AND IF YOU HADN'T POSTED IT, THE MAIN THREAD WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT?

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Jkvkhdykfufjhcjhdyirouufi

I don’t get it, am I not making myself clear like?
I just wanna understand how it is you reached the conclusion that they are trying to fish for townreads while showing a fear of posting in main thread?

BECAUSE THEY MADE LIKE ONE REAL POST AND DIPPED? AND IF YOU HADN'T POSTED IT, THE MAIN THREAD WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT?

I'm not going to say that slots like shiro, kitty, and shiida don't deserve pressure, because quite frankly it's quite needed because this game is boring.

I just don't get how we (not even you in particular) are forming any actual reads on slots that are essentially null and could technically just be anything.

Also, what I will just repeat Dann's question for you cuz I'm curious as to your answer

is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY NEITHER?

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Jkvkhdykfufjhcjhdyirouufi

I don’t get it, am I not making myself clear like?
I just wanna understand how it is you reached the conclusion that they are trying to fish for townreads while showing a fear of posting in main thread?

BECAUSE THEY MADE LIKE ONE REAL POST AND DIPPED? AND IF YOU HADN'T POSTED IT, THE MAIN THREAD WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT?

I'm not going to say that slots like shiro, kitty, and shiida don't deserve pressure, because quite frankly it's quite needed because this game is boring.

I just don't get how we (not even you in particular) are forming any actual reads on slots that are essentially null and could technically just be anything.

Also, what I will just repeat Dann's question for you cuz I'm curious as to your answer

is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY NEITHER?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

I GUESS WE CAN'T SAY. I THINK I ASSUMED 1-1-1-1 BECAUSE OF REPRESENTATION HEURISTIC/DISTRIBUTION BIAS, SO ON THOSE GROUNDS I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S AN IDEA MORE LIKELY TO COME FROM TOWN, BECAUSE IT'S A MISTAKE THAT'S LIKELY TO OCCUR ORGANICALLY. HOWEVER, I WOULDN'T PUT A LOT OF STAKE INTO THAT WITHOUT THE CONTEXT OF WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE ISO OF THE PLAYER WHO SAID IT.

Why did you choose the most NAI post imaginable from mastina to quote with a vote?

BECAUSE I INFERRED IT MEANS MASTINA IS AFRAID OF HOW SHE WILL BE JUDGED IN THE THREAD, SO SHE'S PROMISING MORE ACTIVITY LATER. I GUESS IT COULD BE NAI BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A SOLID LEAD CONSIDERING IT'S STILL RELATIVELY EARLY ON D1. DO YOU TRUST MASTINA?

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Why did you choose the most NAI post imaginable from mastina to quote with a vote?

BECAUSE I INFERRED IT MEANS MASTINA IS AFRAID OF HOW SHE WILL BE JUDGED IN THE THREAD, SO SHE'S PROMISING MORE ACTIVITY LATER. I GUESS IT COULD BE NAI BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A SOLID LEAD CONSIDERING IT'S STILL RELATIVELY EARLY ON D1. DO YOU TRUST MASTINA?

Okay you're an alt so I don't know if you've played with mastina but she literally always ends up behind in games and writing massive catchups that take her a ton of time so it is usually a while before she gets current with the thread. Saying that stuff about promising content later is a nulltell for her. My read rate on mastina is not very good but I think she's been fairly towny so far.

NOTED.

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I really don’t agree with person rewrites posts a few times and decides to be concise and is therefore scum.
I would have accepted Bell wasn’t posting with an internal timer which led to the change. But the reasoning just doesn’t reach the truth in this case.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MARASHU?

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I’m talking about me and cephrir and Fire’s interpretation of some of my posts.

IF I FEEL LIKE MARASHU IS COMING OFF THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IN 734 DO YOU THINK I SHOULD NULL READ THEM OR TOWN READ THEM?

I READ YOU AS NULL IF THAT HELPS ANY.

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I just iso’d all of Marashu’s posts and they look fine except for one aspect that is off but it has been a year since they played. They used to be more in-depth with their analysis, where here they refer to thinking rather than actually thinking out loud. But it’s early.

THAT'S TWO BAD SIGNS IN ONE BECAUSE IF THEY JUST TOOK A YEAR OFF THAT MEANS THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET SCUM FROZEN BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ROLLED SCUM IN A YEAR, AND YOU'RE ALSO SUGGESTING THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A POLARIZED GAME AS SCUM FOR THE SAME REASON. MY INTERACTIONS WITH MARASHU INDICATE THEIR PLAYSTYLE IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THIS GAME FROM WHAT YOU REMEMBER THEM BEING LIKE AS TOWN.

FMPOV AS SOMEONE WHO HASN'T PLAYED WITH MARASHU BEFORE, THEY DO OBJECTIVELY SEEM A TAD LIKE A DARK ONE AND NOT SIMILAR TO THE PLAYER YOU'RE DESCRIBING AT ALL.

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marashu like. i'm sheeping catboi here, sue me, but i vibe with the idea that the fixation on me/bell is fake. i'm fine... leaving this for now and seeing what he does today and how he answers suspicion, but yeah uh not a fan

mastina's case on Alisae/Norwee is very compelling. I feel like her arguments on Alisae are stronger so it's interesting that she's more sure on Norwee. VOTE: Norwee

so given this, why are you voting norwee and not alisae, if you think the case on ali is stronger?

Because that's where the pressure is currently, and if they're both scum then does the order matter?

MARASHU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DATISI'S READ ON YOU AS A DARK ONE?

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Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.

can you elaborate on that townread?

I read through his walls and imo the reasoning within them is uninformed rather than informed and bent towards a conclusion he already knows.

give me some examples please

i'm not really convinced this isn't conclusion first

GOOD POST. ASSERTIVE WITHOUT BEING RUDE. KITTYTAC DESERVES QUESTIONING IMO.

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I really don’t agree with person rewrites posts a few times and decides to be concise and is therefore scum.
I would have accepted Bell wasn’t posting with an internal timer which led to the change. But the reasoning just doesn’t reach the truth in this case.

this... isn't what fire said? so it's just a strange way of phrasing a defense?

CAN YOU LINK THE POSTS YOU FEEL ARE AI BETWEEN YOU AND BELL SO THE REST OF THE THREAD CAN TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU TWO ARE BICKERING ABOUT?

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I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

I think this is town also but I don't have to like it

NOTED.

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VOTE: MARASHU

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something_smart - at least till this point of game that I read can be very much scum and I vibe there totally

MAYBE. I KIND OF THINK S_S IS A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN BASED ON THEIR POSTS SO FAR. I GIVE THEM A TRUST (CLOSER TO NULL) READ. IT MIGHT HELP YOU SOLVE FASTER IF YOU SHEEP MY READ ON THEM, I'M USUALLY RIGHT.

I think its more likely [DATISI'S POST 647 IS] from a town mind set? yet it has this slight manipulative attidue mixed in it (to say yeah I'm thinking about your read on me truely even if I'm happy you're town reading me) which is not an inhernetly scummy manipulation

what matters is if he followed up on this later or asked similar questions or not.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN SOUNDS LIKE WHEN THEY BECOME MANIPULATED BY A DARK ONE.

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FIRE SAFETY IS AN EVERYDAY JOB

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IF WE WANT TO HIT CHATTY SCUM D1 THEN DATISI IS OUR BEST BET, IF WE WANT TO HIT FROZEN SCUM D1 THEN MARASHU IS OUR BEST BET IIRC.

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i quoted that like an hour ago for a post i ended up not making

hmmmm I wonder if that's +scum

i quoted that like an hour ago for a post i ended up not making

hmmmm I wonder if that's +scum

shrug. sure. i was just going to agree and i decided i wasn't adding anything worth spending a post on

YOU SEEM A LITTLE TOO BOTHERED BY THE IMPLICATION IN ORDER TO PULL OFF THE SHRUG RESPONSE. WHAT'S REALLY ON YOUR MIND? HAVING TROUBLE FINDING THE SCUM?

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Now it feels like you're trying to nitpick me because it's really not hard to see what I mean by these, I don't think.

OH BOY I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE. CATBOI IS PROBABLY A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN. DANNFLOR IS NULL IIRC.

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Well, since it's coming up for other people, I'll bring up I also had to step away from the site last Nov so I haven't played in almost a year.

well for one, I've been basiclaly away for like 4 years + with exceptions of 2 3 games in middle? so it doesnt matter xd

WELL, YOU WOULD BE STRUGGLING TOO IF YOU GOT A RED PM, FROZEN ANGEL. HAVE SOME EMPATHY FOR MARASHU.

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this means you ISOed cephir right?

i isoed everyone (other than the people i already had a strong read on)

if someone ended up in null despite that, that means they are null to me

yeah but you talked about your other null reads.

there was absolutely nothing to talk about relating caphir?

I CAN SEE "TEAM POTATO" FIELDING A SCUM TEAM OF DATISI + CEPHRIR + MARASHU + ???

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ONLY

YOU

CAN PREVENT WILDFIRES

I STILL FEEL UNDERWHELMED WITH MASTINAS POSTING. ARE THEY POSTING A LOT OF CONTENT IN THEIR PT?

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no they are not caught up

they made one post in the PT today responding to my observation that they had popped into defend themselves despite having not read

they said they'd skimmed in bit and pieces but we're truly caught up

so like she is reading to an extent

but no new content from her

SOUNDS SUS, NOT A FAN

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but didn't you read her 2000-word essay about why her being behind and catching up isn't scum indicative?

LOL NO I DIDN'T, SHOULD I READ IT?

I’m gonna post my conclusions and a read list when I’m done

THANK YOU

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There is defenitly scum in the wagon as well.

I AGREE

I am gonna come out and say that I have information about Marashu, we should not yeet them.

We do not have a lot of time left which is why I am coming out with that right no, to prevent any quick yeet.

You can neglet trusting me but it is what it is.

I am not going to disclose said information unless things become too ugly.

GOTCHA
VOTE: DATISI

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Btw did Mastina litteraly say that she cannot be scum because she is telling us she is town when normal mastina wouldnt tell us that she is town or am I imagining things

THEY DID

I dunno if that is the route I wanna take, personally I find Penguins stance the most iffy on it, kidnma hands of approach but at the same time askign for more votes.

What has been discussed in thunderclan about marashu and wanting him gone?

NAH I TRUST PENGUINPOWER. MARASHU JUST SEEMED SCUMMY, WE COULD BE WRONG, IF YOU HAVE INFO OTHERWISE I WOULD SHEEP YOUR INFO. I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THUNDER PT HAS A BAD READ PROGRESSION ON MARASHU, INCLUDING PENGUIN.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD TRUST SHIRO AND THE FLIP THE WAGON ONTO DATISI, CEPHRIR OR TITUS. I CAN GIVE CATBOI'S READ ON DANNFLOR A BETTER READ THROUGH AS WELL.

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I'M DOWN TO VOTE MASTINA OR DATISI, SHIRO.

POSTS SHOWING MY MAIN ISSUE WITH DATISI:

Spoiler:

Go to class.
*pokes*

I can't concisely articulate a rebuttal to your argument that every post you make *has* to be toward producing content. Because I didn't say that.
I just think you treat the game more like a chore as scum than as town and your posts reflect that in how you use your ideology.
I would hope you couldn't disagree with the characterization given that's how you described it yourself in a scum PT or two.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD DESCRIPTION OF THIS SERIES OF POSTS IN PARTICULAR:

VOTE: datisi

you said i have a townie vote, wtf

also fire - why did you unvote me when i was asleep? like, you knew my sleeping schedule beforehand, no?

bc i can feel that i'm not in the vibe of the game yet, esp not in main thread, so i don't think i get much about your alignment by asking that

you can answer if it's something interesting ig

don't you usually like to sort people based on engaging with their pushes on you

if i think they're unreasonable or i sense bad faith from them, yes

i've olayed w you enough and ik you have played w me enough ti sense i was being kinda off

so i guessed that was why and didn't feel it's worthwhile to ask you about it

so in a way, yes i was waiting to see where you went with it because the current vote from you is boring nd doesn't tell me much

ans i do think i'm more engaged in the hood because i love posting in purple pts , i'll prob try to be conscious about it and not let myself get behind in the main thesd

@dann, why is my vote on charloux bad?

also pls excuse typos, currently speedwalking to class and trying ti not get hit by a csr

I just think you treat the game more like a chore as scum than as town and your posts reflect that in how you use your ideology.

i guess i'm more interested in how you are fitting this with my posts so far this game,but i'm also rapidly losing faith in this being s productive line of reasoning

@dann

i do think moonlogicy theories are townie, however my issue is that he assigned scum-motivation to one person for it when a lot of other people have done it, and he never commented on that. that's something that can potentially be scum motivated and i want him to explain his thoughts there

i don't want to vote val rn because i have been wrong before so i want to give more time to sit on that, and i don't think voting him will help me solve him (as it will with charloux)

@fire

i don't remember calling marashu boring (or saying anything about him, really) but i don't really have thoughts on him rn - i'm interested to see where he takes the datisi/bell theory

no thoughts head empty on catboi

why is it that you asked about the two of these specifically?

something something good scumgame big paranoia etc etc

i did vaguely read your thoughts on him but they didn't really resonate with me one way or another, so

i was hoping to gain insight by seeing his read on me but apparently he has NONE so far so idk i will just be vibing there for now

i will combat that bias by immediately forgetting who is in what clan

(but yes agreed, solving by "x scum in y hood" is dumb and we should not do it)

I AM OBSERVING SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN BELL THOUGH, WHAT IS STANDING OUT TO ME IS AN ABSENCE OF DOUBT, CURIOSITY AND PARANOIA IN DATISI'S POSTS. I AGREE THAT THEY DO READ LIKE HOMEWORK.

yes, the point of that post was to address concerns, what would you expect to be different about it from town-me?

I EXPECT TOWN-YOU TO BE LESS CALM AND CHATTY. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TOWNREAD BY PUSHING USELESS CONVERSATIONS FORWARD UNTIL PEOPLE STOP SUSPECTING YOU. YOU SEEM MENACING HERE WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM TOWN-YOU.

having read the further posts from bear, i can see where he's coming from and i think his push is very townie. it's *wrong* obviously, but i think his posts show curiosity and solving my alignment that i don't think is very likely to be from scum.

THIS FEELS APPEASING, LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ME TO STOP SUSPECTING YOU BY TELLING ME WHAT YOU THINK I WANT TO HEAR. TOWN-YOU WOULDN'T REACT WITH THIS LEVEL OF COMFORT AND CONFIDENCE WHEN A "STRANGE BEAR" ACCUSES YOU OF BEING A DARK ONE.

also, why wouldn't i be clam?

BECAUSE TOWN-YOU IS UNINFORMED WHICH CREATES UNCERTAINTY, SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT DISPLAYING.

i get pushed for nonsense in the early game practically every other game nowadays. i didn't think the current pushes on me were very notable or interesting. i still wanted to address them.

THIS IS A FALSE NARRATIVE INTENDED TO EXPLAIN AWAY YOUR SCUM TELLS. IT IS TRUE THAT YOU ARE OFTEN PUSHED EARLY FOR BAD REASONS; HOWEVER, TOWN-YOU DOESN'T REACT THE WAY YOU ARE REACTING NOW BECAUSE TOWN-YOU HAS TO SORT THE PLAYERS PUSHING YOU. YOU AREN'T TRYING TO SORT PLAYERS LIKE ME WHO ARE PUSHING YOU, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO APPEAR NONCHALANT AND HOPING TO GET TOWNREAD RANDOMLY ON ACCIDENT BY BEING PRESENT IN THE THREAD.

NEXT, ONCE YOU REALIZE THAT I WILL NOT BE TALKED AWAY FROM MY TONE READ ON YOU, YOU WILL FLIP YOUR READ ON ME AND MAKE BAD EXCUSES WHY MY READ ON YOU SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED.

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VOTE: kittytacky

will be able to think more later maybe idk

WHY KITTY OVER MASTINA OR DATISI?

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i operate on like 60% vibes most of the time but i'm trying to minimize that because i get that it's frustrating for other people itg

WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING TO REDUCE YOUR RELIANCE ON VIBES?

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VOTE: kittytacky

will be able to think more later maybe idk

WHY KITTY OVER MASTINA OR DATISI?

YOU BELIEVE THERE IS LIKELY TO BE AT LEAST 1 SCUM IN THE LOW ACTIVITY SUB GROUP, AND KITTY SEEMS MOST LIKE SCUM OF THE LOW POSTERS?

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VOTE: kittytacky

will be able to think more later maybe idk

WHY KITTY OVER MASTINA OR DATISI?

YOU BELIEVE THERE IS LIKELY TO BE AT LEAST 1 SCUM IN THE LOW ACTIVITY SUB GROUP, AND KITTY SEEMS MOST LIKE SCUM OF THE LOW POSTERS?

WHAT ABOUT SHIDAJJI(T3) ?

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i operate on like 60% vibes most of the time but i'm trying to minimize that because i get that it's frustrating for other people itg

WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING TO REDUCE YOUR RELIANCE ON VIBES?

trying to reread more

posting fleshed out reads when i have them so i can iso myself and not just go on what i remember

i'm not using the hood for notes at all since i don't necessarily want them to be influenced at all

COOL! HOW DO YOU MOTIVATE YOURSELF TO CHANGE THESE HABITS?

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i operate on like 60% vibes most of the time but i'm trying to minimize that because i get that it's frustrating for other people itg

WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING TO REDUCE YOUR RELIANCE ON VIBES?

trying to reread more

posting fleshed out reads when i have them so i can iso myself and not just go on what i remember

i'm not using the hood for notes at all since i don't necessarily want them to be influenced at all

COOL! HOW DO YOU MOTIVATE YOURSELF TO CHANGE THESE HABITS?

is this leading somewhere bc it doesnt feel productive and idk how willing i am to answer this

OF COURSE AND DON'T ANSWER THEN.

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LET'S DO IT

VOTE: DATISI

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his datisi push reads like scum pushing datisi.
His concerns are all about early stuff when there should be a lot more to read Datisi off of but his read remained unchanged.

He pushed Marashu over Kitty and Mastina and probably would have got it had Shiro not defused it.
Shiro backed off, voted Datisi off of the same concerns.
Still won't seriously vote mastina.

if I had to guess who is trying to powerwolf in this game I would say it's the bear

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR READ ON ME IS ENTIRELY CONTINGENT ON DATISI FLIPPING TOWN?

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LEARN TO KILL THE FIRE!

I READ HUNTING FOR PREFLIP ASSOCIATIVES AS LIKELY TO COME FROM OVERAMBITIOUS TOWN OR FROM SCUM TRYING TO CREATE CONFUSION. I GUESS ALISAE SEEMS MORE LIKE THE FORMER THOUGH I'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THEIR SCUM GAME KIND OF SUCKS? I CAN'T VIEW ANYONE WITH A CAT AVATAR AS VERY THREATENING SO I'M A LITTLE BIASED.

I will say that T3 feels the most underwhelming content-wise in our hood overall when comparing all players.

They're catching up.

How do you know that is what they are doing or that’s what i meant?

Well given that I said that I was catching up multiple times

It’s what you’re saying based on catchup that i find underwhelming.
Them defending you because you’re catching up seems both out of tune and kinda like talking on your behalf which is questionable.

I see what you mean. I have notes and reads on nearly every player that I haven’t posted in-thread.

I THINK T3 IS PROBABLY THE SCUM IN THE LURKERS, I FIND THIS TYPE OF POST AS VERY LIKELY TO COME FROM SCUM. USUALLY WHEN WE TAKE THE TIME TO GET NOTES AND READS ON EVERY PLAYER WE ARE EXCITED TO POST IT INTO THE THREAD SO WE CAN RECEIVE VALIDATION. T3 BOTH INSISTING THAT HE HAS NOTES (CARING ABOUT HE IS PERCEIVED) AND DECLINING TO POST THEM (WHEN TOWN WOULD NORMALLY BE EXCITED TO SHARE THEM) IS A BAD LOOK FOR HIS SLOT.

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he did post them

HOW DID THEY LOOK?

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They posted it in this thread Bear.

NUH-UH

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T3, ACCORDING TO YOUR NOTES, YOU VIEW BOTH DATISI AND MASTINA AS QUITE SCUMMY.

and i have thought datisi was townier lately idk i just didn't really want to vote him

ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID NORMALLY HAPPENS WHEN YOU PLAY AGAINST DATISI SCUM?

pedit - fire, is that thought supported by meta or is it independent of it? what feels off to you?

meta in the sense that it doesn't feel like, natural for you, i guess

like the nonchalance feels kind of awkward and ingenuine, in a way that feels off based on just knowing you

idk about if it's supported by meta in the sense of does this feel more like your town or scum game, but the way you approach games as scum seems to vary widely and ive wrongly let go of suspicion before bc it didn't necessarily match up with prior scum experiences. it doesn't really match how id expect you to act as town, though

IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR CURRENT FEELINGS TOWARD DATISI MATCH THOSE WHEN YOU HAVE PLAYED AGAINST DATISI SCUM IN THE PAST.

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They posted it in this thread Bear.

NUH-UH

1441

WELL HOT DAMN THERE THEY WERE

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THIS INTERACTION WAS +PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN FOR NORWEE, BTW

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THIS INTERACTION WAS +PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN FOR NORWEE, BTW

AND MISTYX PROBABLY

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I'M PRETTY DOWN WITH T3 BEING SCUM

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I THINK KITTY AND DATISI ARE TWO DARK ONES. I DON'T HAVE ANY GREAT LEADS AS TO THE OTHER DARK ONES YET. I MIGHT LOOK FOR PREFLIP ASSOCIATIVE TELLS.

I'M NOT GOING TO SHEEP MASTINA BUT I WILL PROBABLY SHEEP FROZEN ANGEL A LITTLE BIT.

VOTE: KITTYTACKY

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I called it. I fucking called it. Now let's catpile Norwe.

VOTE: Norwegian

IDK THOUGH DOES DARK KITTY MAKE A POST LIKE THIS?

VOTE: DATISI

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I called it. I fucking called it. Now let's catpile Norwe.

VOTE: Norwegian

this post is scummy because "i called it" is not a true statement and the norwee push doesn't feel genuine because he wasn't like, pushing norwee at all yesterday

voting there sure but it was more of a votepark + shrug

well thats a fun crosspost

I AGREE AND IT SEEMS ALMOST LIKE SCUM WOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE MAKING A POST SO EASILY ATTACKED? IDK THOUGH BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A BAD REASON TO TR KITTY AND THE REST OF KITTY'S ISO IS REALLY BAD.

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VOTE: KITTY

MEHHHHH

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IDK KITTY I'M HAVING A HARD TIME BELIEVING ANYTHING YOU SAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PLAYING SOME KIND OF CONFIDENCE GAME.

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Angry scum.

WDYM?

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The entire tone of that post is gross and dismissive.

TBH I THINK YOU KIND OF SOUND LIKE THAT AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE AI FOR YOU BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL YOU PLAYING THIS WAY BEFORE.

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DID ANY OF YOU THREE READ TITUS AT ALL SINCE THE FLIPS?

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my only vibe from Titus previously was "disengaged" but I don't think that's AI

DAMN THAT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE I WAS SCUM READING THEM FOR IT.

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IDK IS IT A MISTAKE FOR ME TO TOWNBIN VAL?

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I was scum reading him last time I reread him

too over-explainy

could be a playstyle thing though so needs to be meta'd

I KINDA REMEMBER THAT BEING NAI FOR HIM AND HE WAS A LOT MORE CONCISE AND CHARISMATIC AS SCUM THAN AS TOWN.

I kinda want to switch to Datisi because his recent posting about Kitty feels pretty dodgy but I'm not gonna lie I really want to see what Alisae does if Norwee gets close to elimination because that can maybe just locktown them forever.

CAN WE GET SOME FOLLOW UP ON THIS?

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CAN WE GET SOME FOLLOW UP ON THIS?

I mean I would love to but it hasn't happened (yet). Unless you're talking about the Datisi bit.

I like the idea of voting Kitty but I will wait until tomorrow when I am more awake and can properly count votes.

I'LL TAKE FOLLOW UP ON WHATEVER YOU CAN.

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I am not a beacon of obvtown, but do not consider giving me warrior powers until I say I'm eligible. This is not a fakeout.

AM I HARD TUNNELED FOR THINKING THIS POST IS LAMIST?

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As I said I am a little discouraged by people ignoring me when I am trying to engage beyond defending myself and pushing my scumreads.

I STILL READ DISGUST AND DISMISSIVENESS INTO YOUR POSTS. FOR EXAMPLE HERE I THINK YOU'RE DISMISSING WHAT I SAID SO YOU CAN TRY TO PLAY THE VICTIM IN ORDER TO GET WHAT YOU WANT. I THINK THIS BEHAVIOR IS AI FOR DARK ONE.

Alisae's "case" on me is all flash no substance BTW. Lots of smarmy rhetoric, little behind it. Contrast with Datisi who seems more genuine.

the latter I have doubts on though

why

It just feels hard to read them.

I THINK THIS LOOKS PRETTY SELF CONSCIOUS AND IS THROWN IN HERE TO CREATE DISTANCE BETWEEN KITTY AND DATISI. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS SCUM TRYING TO IMPLICATE DATISI, I THINK THIS IS SCUM TRYING TOO HARD TO CREATE ANTI-ASSOCIATIVES BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND DATISI.

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There's a genuine conviction there. Scum would be a bit or a lot more cautious pushing a townie.

YOU DON'T CONSIDER THAT THIS IS FAKED?

VOTE: TITUS

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VOTE: KITTY

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It is a true statement because I said Mastina is town and she flipped town. And I was pushing Norwe, I just wasn't posting a whole lot about it because I was busy defending myself.

Yes because pulling an Mastina where you just say some absolutely dumb shit like: "We flipped town and that means their asinine scumread is correct" will get you somewhere.
I’m sure Mastina is cheering for you in dead thread, but fact is that they were simply wrong and didn’t have a good point other than whatever the fuck a "soulread" means for them. So why are you sheeping it?
Give me a good answer or i’ll vote you. I don’t give a fuck.

This is 100% how you play as scum, I remember it pretty clearly. Also tone tbh. Like this post has a caught frustrated scum vibe.

Your vote is a naked vote.

My literal only fear is that you are another arrogant town that scum is hiding behind so i’ll reserve my vote despite your answer being extremely unsatisfactory.

Sheeping is not a naked vote.

Like scum could just be banking on the lone dumb town voter being voted out for sussing me and that’s the strategy because town!Alisae has white knighted me this game and so it’s easier than pushing the lim on me.
So even though all of my fiber is screaming to bash Kitty into oblivion i’ll give it some more thought.

Sheeping is not a naked vote.

Yes it is. Mastina voted me for no reason so sheeping is effectively the same. Except you can hide behind another persons dumbassery so it’s objectively worse.

LOOKS SvS

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FOS KITTY, DATISI, NORWEE AND TITUS

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my previous standards for her scumplay (based on ktane) were way too low of a bar

the MU people keep telling me she is in fact a good wolf but I have not yet seen it

that's why i went to read games on MU lol

HOW DID THEY LOOK?

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I also didn't much care that, as D1 was winding down, bear in the PT was discussing who to eliminate D2 without knowing the D1 flip, and I do think that lining up eliminations is +scum.

LOL

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I found something that we all need to chase down right now:

Spoiler:

SCUMMY

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If Charloux is scum here, he might have proposed this as fact. This feels more like a backpedal than poor phrasing. But on the other hand, I don't think Charloux had reason to believe it was true. So I don't understand the point of this.

DUDE

VOTE: MARASHU

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I am gonna come out and say that I have information about Marashu, we should not yeet them.

We do not have a lot of time left which is why I am coming out with that right no, to prevent any quick yeet.

You can neglet trusting me but it is what it is.

I am not going to disclose said information unless things become too ugly.

I'M QUICKLY LOSING FAITH IN THIS BECAUSE BASED ON THEIR ISOS, MARASHU AND SHIRO SHOULD BE TOP SUSPECTS

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I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

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I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

i think id rather kill t3

ARE WE TRUE OPPOSITES?

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Like yeah, sure, I would understand if you were coming from a place of “oh, T3 showed up as there is a wagon on him, that’s scummy timing.” But instead you’re saying it’s

curious

timing. This suggests you’re trying to avoid explicitly shading me.

WHY TITUS TOWN THOUGH?

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I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

i think id rather kill t3

ARE WE TRUE OPPOSITES?

i mean i dont like how much of a fuss he's been making about catching up and then posts a completely unexplained readlist

GOOD POINT. I AM ALSO WONDERING IF KITTYTACKY WOULD HAVE BURNED OUT BY NOW IF THIS WERE ALL SCUM POSTING.

VOTE: DATISI

I WILL LOOK AT T3 AND KITTYTACKY AGAIN ONCE I'M LESS TIRED.

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fire I like your process on Cephrir but he's posting a lot like I do when I'm struggling to get into the game. I guess that won't be convincing to anyone but me

but the reach outs he's doing do feel more motivated by trying to get something to sink his teeth into

not necessarily get town read or anything like that

I AGREE WITH THIS

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I'd think Datisi was scum if not for their push on me which I feel is strongly a town thing.

THIS DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT

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FIRE SAFETY ON, ACCIDENTS GONE!

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CATBOI DO YOU KNOW THE PROBABILITY THAT BOTH T3 AND KITTY ARE TOWN?

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hey bear, do you think me pushing kitty throughout like half of day 1 is also trying too hard to create anti associates?

wait, no, you probably didn't read a single post i made past like page 20 or whenever it was. sure. cool. excellent play.

YEAH IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE DISTANCING. I CAN'T TELL WHAT YOU TWO ARE REALLY ARGUING ABOUT BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SCUM HUNTING, ESPECIALLY FROM YOUR END.

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hey bear, do you think me pushing kitty throughout like half of day 1 is also trying too hard to create anti associates?

wait, no, you probably didn't read a single post i made past like page 20 or whenever it was. sure. cool. excellent play.

YEAH IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE DISTANCING. I CAN'T TELL WHAT YOU TWO ARE REALLY ARGUING ABOUT BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SCUM HUNTING, ESPECIALLY FROM YOUR END.

ALSO, SKIMMING YOUR D1 ISO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MAINLY WANT TO KILL PENGUIN, NOT KITTY.

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Do you think that if they were scum they would expect to survive long after I flip town if they succeeded?

YES

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RE: Cephrir. We talked about it.

Pretty much, I came out with a paper thin town lean from the conversation. Something, something, timid raccoon reads,, something, something, not swayed by others when non-specific.

@KittyTacky: *blink* What did you call?

WAS IT MANIPULATIVE?

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I WILL PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR T3.

1) SHIIDAJI'S PLAY

ok I think I have parsed this post.

townreads bell for 24. (Honestly, not bad)
31 gives him "bad vibes." Guy goes on to say it comes from the formatting of the post (You cannot make up how he described what it is he did to describe what he felt about the formatting/spacing)
likes 41
doesn't agree w/ 51
52 i just don't get what is going on with his commentary here at all??? (I think this guy is reading into RVS stuff way too much)
likes 61
doesn't like 73 (???????????????)
said 99 was tmi (??????????????)
liked dann
liked 112
likes fa feels like she is explaining her push well (whatever the fuck that means)
says ceph could be scum for being snippy (Isn't that just how Ceph is. I mean can't blame him for not knowing)
likes 204
doesn't like 234
likes misty

is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

personally i think it's more likely to come from town because
(1) i love posting in pts as town more than in the main thread and yes i am projecting here
(2) scum would want everyone else to see them as townie, not just their hood members; and having "but they're solving in hood!!" from their hood mates won't ever be convincing to anyone because people often think you get pocketed in a hood

SHIDAJI NOT TAKING PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE AND HAVING *SOME* DETAILED TAKES WHICH WEREN'T USED FOR TOWN CRED.

2) T3 IS CAPABLE OF HIGH POSTING AS SCUM

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89739

IS T3 REALLY SCUM WHO CAN'T FAKE READS OR ARE THEY TOWN WHO IS UNINTERESTED IN PLAYING THE GAME?

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Thunderclan:
- Charloux (Leader)
- Marashu
- KittyTacky
- PenguinPower
- SCRRRDBEAR

Windclan:
- Shiro
- Alisae
- NorwegianboyEE
- T3
- Val89
- Titus (Joined mid-day 1)

X-clan:
- Dannflor (Leader)
- Datisi
- Catboi
- Something_Smart
-

Mastina

Riverclan:
-

Frozen Angel

(Leader)
- Bell
- fireisredsir
- MistyX
- Cephrir

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ALSO YOUR READS LIST, WITH THE NAMES AT THE TOP OF YOUR POST MORE LIKELY TO BE TOWN AND THE NAMES AT THE BOTTOM MORE LIKELY TO BE SCUM?

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Here’s an idea.
I think it’s easier to solve in smaller groups.
So can every hood say who they believe are the possible scum in only their grouping specifically?
Or alternatively if you think they are all town and why.

ONLY MARASHU IS PINGING ME AND SOME OF KT'S COMMENTS. IF SHIRO'S FAKE MASON CLAIM ON MARASHU TURNS OUT TO BE REAL AND KT IS JUST A MISUNDERSTOOD TOWNIE THEN I THINK THUNDER CLAN IS PURE. THOSE ARE TWO FAIRLY SIZEABLE "IFs" THOUGH.

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CATBOI DO YOU KNOW THE PROBABILITY THAT BOTH T3 AND KITTY ARE TOWN?

Like, mathematically or by my own estimation?

Anything's

possible

but I wouldn't guess that it's

likely

.

BOTH

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This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

Seems pretty easy to attack.

TOWN KT HAS GOOD READS THOUGH IMO, OR AT LEAST AVERAGE.

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This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

Seems pretty easy to attack.

TOWN KT HAS GOOD READS THOUGH IMO, OR AT LEAST AVERAGE.

THIS KIND OF MAKES ME WANT TO VOTE KT AGAIN BECAUSE FMPOV THEY ARE VERY COMPETENT AS TOWN

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I GUESS IT WOULD BE FUN IF THE DARK ONES ARE EXACTLY T3, KITTY, SHIRO, MARASHU, AND DATISI

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OH I FORGOT I HAVE A POST LIMIT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE PARANOID ABOUT

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honestly at this point i think scrrrdbear is probably mafia

i don't have the energy to put together a coherent case but a lot of the progression from today just feels unnatural?

like i think he was just throwing people into his suspect pool for the sake of it

i don't get the progression on T3

i don't get how he went from tunneling kitty to "oh i dont like some of kitty's comments but that hood could be pure ig" and the only real reasoning seemed like it was me pushing T3?
i don't like the random questioning of fire (maybe it was catboi) reading me that never went anywhere on either side

i just feel like he's been kinda taking the path of least resistance all day and it's weirding me out

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE SCUM OR BECOMING PARANOID DUE TO SLEEP DEPRIVATION. I THINK SLEEP DEPRIVATION BECAUSE OF THE BOLDED WHICH MAKE NO SENSE. I ALSO THINK IT'S UNWISE FOR YOU TO SAY MY READ PROGRESSIONS DON'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE UNDERSTANDING WOULD REQUIRE OPEN LINES OF DIALOGUE BETWEEN US WHICH YOU HAVE ACTIVELY SHUT DOWN (1311). IT IS FRUSTRATING TO RECIEVE RESPONSES LIKE 1311 AND THEN SEE A POST LIKE 2417 COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MOTIVATES ME OR WHAT FACTORS I'M LOOKING AT. IF YOU ARE TOWN THEN YOUR APPROACH DOESN'T GIVE ME ANYTHING TO WORK WITH, AND IF YOU ARE SCUM THEN YOUR APPROACH IS MAKING ME TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT YOUR ISO WHICH YOU REALLY DON'T WANT ME TO DO.

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i will freely admit i'm being paranoid but the "you're either scum or paranoid from sleep deprivation" line feels kind of like a gaslight?

and i don't mean this pejoratively or as a personal attack or anything like that that's just genuinely how it reads to me

i'm becoming paranoid because there's supposedly 5 scum in the game but the most that consensus can come up with is circling back to just kitty/T3, and we don't really have any sort of towncore leadership that i can tell

it feels like there's fundamental issues in gamestate that aren't being addressed so i threw out something that i thought was plausible to explain them

YES THAT MAKES MORE SENSE, I AM PARANOID TOO. I AGREE THERE IS LIKELY TO BE AN ACTIVE/TOWNREAD SCUM PLAYER. MY BEST GUESS FOR THIS PLAYER IS DATISI. WHAT I SAID IS A CALL OUT NOT A GASLIGHT, BECAUSE YOU ATTRIBUTED A CONVERSATION TO ME WHICH WAS SOMEONE ELSE (FIREISRED/CATBOI) WHICH SEEMS MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN WHEN SLEEP DEPRIVED.

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Way more people suspect KT than Norwee and I mean, just look at his posts.
Guy plays like newbtown.

Hmm, can you expand on this a little?

Specifically, I got the impression that Kitty was highly self-aware, which isn't a common newbtown trait. He's played enough to know what his town meta looks like and at points I felt he was frustrated that his imitation of said town meta wasn't leaving the impression he hoped it would.

The quality and reasoning for his reads is newbtown

THIS IS JUST MAKING ME WANT TO VOTE KITTY BECAUSE THAT REALLY ISN'T HOW THEY USUALLY SOUND IMO

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i will freely admit i'm being paranoid but the "you're either scum or paranoid from sleep deprivation" line feels kind of like a gaslight?

and i don't mean this pejoratively or as a personal attack or anything like that that's just genuinely how it reads to me

i'm becoming paranoid because there's supposedly 5 scum in the game but the most that consensus can come up with is circling back to just kitty/T3, and we don't really have any sort of towncore leadership that i can tell

it feels like there's fundamental issues in gamestate that aren't being addressed so i threw out something that i thought was plausible to explain them

Sounds like a true statement with anxiety behind it.
Yet somehow, I can’t tell if they’re town or not from it. Since it’s kind of true regardless of their alignment and the fear is so lloud that it sort of has to be intentionally signaled.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO MISTYX OR MYSELF?

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i think she was talking about your 2190 which i didnt respond to bc i had already kinda talked about it and didn't feel like expanding

OH.

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@Bear. Talking about misty.

1311 AND LEADING UP TO IT IS ALMOST A CARBON COPY OF AN INTERACTION I'VE HAD WITH SCUM BEFORE AND I CAN ARGUE THAT 2417 IS AN ATTEMPT TO SHOP FOR MY ELIMINATION. UNTIL SHE POSTED 2422 I WAS QUITE SKEPTICAL OF HER MOTIVATIONS. I THINK 2422 IS VERY LIKELY TO COME FROM TOWN, ESPECIALLY FOLLOWING 2421. I BELIEVE THE IMPULSIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH ANXIETY REQUIRES A WIDER SCUM RANGE THAN MISTYX IS LIKELY TO HAVE, EVEN IF THEY HAVE AN ABOVE AVERAGE SCUM GAME. I ALSO BELIEVE MISTYX IS UNLIKELY TO ACCUSE ME OF GASLIGHTING THEM IF THEY'RE SCUM. ON A LOW LEVEL I CAN IDENTIFY A CLUSTER OF REASONS TO DISTRUST THEM, BUT ON A HIGH LEVEL I THINK THEY ARE JUST TELLING THE TRUTH.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER REASONS AS WELL THAT I'M MORE INCLINED TO TRUST MISTYX RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS JUST THINKING MAYBE 40 MINUTES AGO THAT I SHOULD FIND SOME ACTIVE PLAYER TO PRESSURE WHO MIGHT BE MISTAKENLY TOWNREAD, SO THAT MOTIVATION COMING FROM MISTYX DOES MAKE SENSE TO ME.

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I think the fundamental game state problem is that it keeps circling back to the easiest eliminations.

Which is normal. Path of least resistance, river flows from higher elevation to lower elevation etc etc.

DO YOU AGREE WITH MISTYX IN THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY A PROBLEM? I WOULD CONSIDER IT A PROBLEM ONLY IF BOTH T3 AND KITTYTACKY ARE TOWN.

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I really don’t care about the meta of some troll if that’s how u sort them good for u.

Other people can do whatever the fuck they want, I just think that engaging with the slot to me is a waste of posts. I mean I think the guy posts like an open wolf npc but I mean maybe more people need more time to reach that conclusion? I’m just saying why I’m not engaging with it, and you shouldn’t either it’s not worth ur posts.

i don't think they're actually a troll,

they just often get eliminated.

and there's a difference between saying that you're not going to engage with the posts anymore and encouraging other people not to. that's the part i don't really get. i get it in situations where the person is like spamming or just being a nuisance or whatever, but i don't really feel like that applies here?

idk maybe im just sensitive to the sentiment he gave of getting discouraged by feeling like people are ignoring him when he tries to get more engaged, so then seeing you basically telling everyone to ignore him is like... feels like targeted towards shutting down any chance of him showing himself as town if he is

So, like, mind telling me where you got the bolded from? Because I went though his games and I had to go back to March of 2021 to find a game where he was mis-eliminated as town and since then he's had 7 straight where he's either NKed or endgames. The times he frequently gets eliminated are...when he's scum.

I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING KT GET MISLIMMED AS TOWN OR EVEN GET PRESSURED ALL THAT MUCH BEYOND NORMAL D1 PUSHES.

Explain this vote? I thought her posting was good overall

i didn't like the way she moved onto kitty, it felt like she was searching for reasons to justify it rather than naturally evaluating the situation

and there's been a couple times where its felt like she's inconsistently applied standards when looking at different slots

and that kinda reminded me that FA explained in hood (which misty is in) that her main method of scumhunting is looking for places where people aren't consistent with how they analyze things/how they behave

and i questioned misty on it yesterday and she ignored me and i don't think FA had fully caught up to that point and now she's dead

thats not like a super significant part of the read but it was in my mind at least

i also read a scumgame of hers and it made me realize that my previous standards for her scumplay (based on ktane) were way too low of a bar

mostly just wasn't really feeling the townvibes anymore when i re-checked the iso

ARE THEY FAKING IMPULSIVITY/ANXIETY/PARANOIA VERY EFFECTIVELY IN THEIR SCUM GAME?

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VOTE: KITTY TACKY

SEEMS RIGHT. WILL RE-EVAL IN MORNING.

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I don't remember if I mentioned this here before but I am quite autistic IRL so I have difficulties explaining myself and talking to people in that way.

I SWEAR I HAVE NEVER SEEN KITTY PLAY TOWN LIKE THIS.

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you aren't worth the posts and you're not worth talking to. The only value you provide to the game is your vote.
There is no reasoning with someone who haphazardly and arbitrarily forming reads.
There is no talking to you. I genuinely think you are a person that just cannot be reasoned with.

IT'S HIS SCUM GAME, HE IS TILTING YOU ON PURPOSE. THIS IS NOT HOW KITTY USUALLY PLAYS. MY EXPERIENCE WITH THEM HAS INDICATED THEY ARE COMPETENT AND SELF ASSURED AS TOWN.

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You probably don't deserve to be treated that way it's pretty unfair

JUST VOTE HIM AND STOP DUMB TELLING.

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75% or so of the game is town so getting a townread right is not that impressive

I know. But talking about the accuracy of my reads just... doesn't make sense when there are only two flips and I only had a read on one of them? Maybe Alisae means something else by "read quality". Is it the poor explanations? I can admit that but my main most confident reads rn (Datisi and T3) I feel I have fairly solid reasoning on?

THIS IS TOTAL TROLL BAIT

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I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING KT GET MISLIMMED AS TOWN OR EVEN GET PRESSURED ALL THAT MUCH BEYOND NORMAL D1 PUSHES.

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ONCE KITTY HAS BEEN SACRIFICED AND MARASHU HAS VERIFIED THEIR MASON BS THEN THUNDER CLAN SHALL BE PURE AND WE WILL HAVE MUCH DISCUSSION IN OUR CLAN PT

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I don't remember if I mentioned this here before but I am quite autistic IRL so I have difficulties explaining myself and talking to people in that way.

I SWEAR I HAVE NEVER SEEN KITTY PLAY TOWN LIKE THIS.

You probably don't deserve to be treated that way it's pretty unfair

JUST VOTE HIM AND STOP DUMB TELLING.

75% or so of the game is town so getting a townread right is not that impressive

I know. But talking about the accuracy of my reads just... doesn't make sense when there are only two flips and I only had a read on one of them? Maybe Alisae means something else by "read quality". Is it the poor explanations? I can admit that but my main most confident reads rn (Datisi and T3) I feel I have fairly solid reasoning on?

THIS IS TOTAL TROLL BAIT

I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING KT GET MISLIMMED AS TOWN OR EVEN GET PRESSURED ALL THAT MUCH BEYOND NORMAL D1 PUSHES.

ONCE KITTY HAS BEEN SACRIFICED AND MARASHU HAS VERIFIED THEIR MASON BS THEN THUNDER CLAN SHALL BE PURE AND WE WILL HAVE MUCH DISCUSSION IN OUR CLAN PT

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THE LONGER ALISAE GUMS UP THE THREAD WITH THIS BACK AND FORTH WITHOUT REALIZING THAT KITTY IS FULL OF SHIT, THE MORE I WANT TO EXECUTE ALISAE FOR DUMB TELLING (AFTER KITTY OFC.)

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alisae why are you ignoring me

DUDE HE HAS TO CONCENTRATE, SCUM THEATER IS A LOT OF WORK

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Gonna be entirely honest, this game, esp this convo D2, made me realize that even with like 20-odd games I am still a noob. Long way to go...

I feel like I wronged you Alisae, with acting dismissive and trollish myself day 1.

*PUKES*

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However, I really like your response to Bear after they kept tunneling you despite it being several hundred posts after the fact.

I DIDN'T REALIZE SCUM TELLS COME WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE. MY BAD. I SHOULD LEARN MORE ABOUT RECENCY BIAS.

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T3 why don't you post in the hood?

DO YOU TR EVERYONE ELSE IN THUNDER BESIDES KT?

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I get the impression most of their strange behaviour is just NAI so i no longer am interested in joining the wagon.

IT ISN'T. KT IS ACTUALLY A GOOD PLAYER.

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I really don’t care about the meta of some troll if that’s how u sort them good for u.

Other people can do whatever the fuck they want, I just think that engaging with the slot to me is a waste of posts. I mean I think the guy posts like an open wolf npc but I mean maybe more people need more time to reach that conclusion? I’m just saying why I’m not engaging with it, and you shouldn’t either it’s not worth ur posts.

i don't think they're actually a troll,

they just often get eliminated.

and there's a difference between saying that you're not going to engage with the posts anymore and encouraging other people not to. that's the part i don't really get. i get it in situations where the person is like spamming or just being a nuisance or whatever, but i don't really feel like that applies here?

idk maybe im just sensitive to the sentiment he gave of getting discouraged by feeling like people are ignoring him when he tries to get more engaged, so then seeing you basically telling everyone to ignore him is like... feels like targeted towards shutting down any chance of him showing himself as town if he is

So, like, mind telling me where you got the bolded from? Because I went though his games and I had to go back to March of 2021 to find a game where he was mis-eliminated as town and since then he's had 7 straight where he's either NKed or endgames. The times he frequently gets eliminated are...when he's scum.

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Well i checked literally one random towngame they had that was recent to verify that and i'm noting that they just said "I'm town" a lot. Like that was their whole post and defense of suspicion on them.

CHERRY PICKING OKAY, AND THAT ISN'T EVEN HOW THEY'RE ACTING THIS GAME.

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Well i checked literally one random towngame they had that was recent to verify that and i'm noting that they just said "I'm town" a lot. Like that was their whole post and defense of suspicion on them.

CHERRY PICKING OKAY, AND THAT ISN'T EVEN HOW THEY'RE ACTING THIS GAME.

LIKE IN OTHER WORDS YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CHECKED ONE TOWN GAME AND THEY RESPONDED TO PRESSURE COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY FROM HOW THEY ARE HERE.

MEANWHILE YOU HAVE PLAYERS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED WITH KT BEFORE AND CHECKING MULTIPLE GAMES OF THEIR'S AND SAYING THAT THEIR PLAY THIS GAME AND HIS SHITTY SELF META DEFENSE DOESN'T RESEMBLE HIS TOWN GAME AT ALL.

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and I had this really dumb theory forming in my head that kittytacky told the scum PT "I suck I always get eliminated" and fire just came in assuming kittytacky meant as both alignments when that is not actually true

IMO THE SCUM PT WENT SOMETHING LIKE

KITTY: I AM BAD SCUM SORRY GUYS, JUST BUSS ME D1

DATISI: OK

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This is exactly the same

FOS NORWEE

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VAL CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER LAY DOWN ON THE DYNAMICS OF WIND CLAN

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T3: NorwegianboyEE, Alisae, Titus, fireisredsir, Charloux, KittyTacky, Dannflor
[5] KittyTacky: Datisi, Cephrir, Something_Smart, SCRRRDBEAR, Bell

IMO DATISI IS A BUS VOTE AND THE REST OF KT WAGON IS PURE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE T3 WAGON BUT I FOS NORWEE NOW

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TITUS, WHY ARE YOU ON T3¿

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However, I really like your response to Bear after they kept tunneling you despite it being several hundred posts after the fact.

I DIDN'T REALIZE SCUM TELLS COME WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE. MY BAD. I SHOULD LEARN MORE ABOUT RECENCY BIAS.

I'M EXPECTING A RESPONSE HERE, T3

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Or something.

THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH THE NARRATIVE SUGGESTED BY CATBOI THAT KT LIKELY INFORMED HIS SCUM TEAM UP FRONT THAT HE IS OFTEN ELIMINATED EARLY. DATISI PUSHED KT RIGHT AWAY AND YOU DID NOT IIRC.

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Or something.

THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH THE NARRATIVE SUGGESTED BY CATBOI THAT KT LIKELY INFORMED HIS SCUM TEAM UP FRONT THAT HE IS OFTEN ELIMINATED EARLY. DATISI PUSHED KT RIGHT AWAY AND YOU DID NOT IIRC.

YOU CAN SEE MY QUOTE OF CATBOI WITHIN 2601 FOR THE CONTEXT.

2601 WAS PRESENTED COMEDICALLY BUT MY SUSPICIONS ARE SERIOUS.

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LOL

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so

I actually think 2471

might

be townie

something about the way KT is talking about himself in this post feels genuine to me, the stuff like "At least I'm trying" and "Maybe you're right and I actually am an idiot" feels genuine to me, those feelings of like, selfdoubt etc when it comes in relation to how he's reading the game feels more like it comes from a real town perspective

Like, not really impossible to fake but for a player at KT's experience level it

does

feel authentic

IT'S ATE, STAY STRONG SOLDIER

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Yes because I am an emotionless machine and never feel distraught when personally attacked as town.

THIS IS SCUM ATE. TOWN DOESN'T ATE THIS WAY, I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE.