Open 867: PYP: SEFD - Day Three

[Not Known 15]

I'D SAY PORKENS, ENCHANT AND JUNKO ARE TOWN. PENGUIN IS NULL CLOSER TO TOWN, DANNFLOR IS NULL CLOSER TO SCUM. GAMMA IS SCUM.

What's the reason for Junko town?

[Not Known 15]

also, thinking about it, Dannflor and nsg are sus for their handling of me so far
they should know how I'm liable to take early pressure, especially when it's seemingly unfounded

And why do you not think it’s within JC/NM, or the FIVE people that picked 1?

And it better be a good reason because I can already think of one, and it’s not a great look for you Sir Bear

IDRC ABOUT THE 1 CHOICES, I RULED THAT NUMBER OUT RIGHT AWAY.

THE SHADE IN #38 IS MORE INDICATIVE OF SCUM.

VOTE: Gamma

So, despite the statistical evidence supporting there being multiple scum in the 1s, you have somehow "ruled them out" already. Yeah that's bogus.
VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

Clearly critical thinking is something Sir Bear is lacking in rn

[Not Known 15]

also, thinking about it, Dannflor and nsg are sus for their handling of me so far
they should know how I'm liable to take early pressure, especially when it's seemingly unfounded

And why do you not think it’s within JC/NM, or the FIVE people that picked 1?

And it better be a good reason because I can already think of one, and it’s not a great look for you Sir Bear

IDRC ABOUT THE 1 CHOICES, I RULED THAT NUMBER OUT RIGHT AWAY.

THE SHADE IN #38 IS MORE INDICATIVE OF SCUM.

VOTE: Gamma

So, despite the statistical evidence supporting there being multiple scum in the 1s, you have somehow "ruled them out" already. Yeah that's bogus.
VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

Clearly critical thinking is something Sir Bear is lacking in rn

That wasn't supposed to happen like this.
Seemingly unfounded - that seemingly is unlikely to come from town.

Post 85: Votes for SCRRRDBEAR due to "ruling them out is bogus"
Post 91: Bear lacks critical thinking
If Gamma'd think that Bear lacks critical thinking then where's that scumread coming from? Opportunism, from scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

But I think I also support the junkies wagon

Junkos

And I’ll say it: if nk15 flips red, then so will nsg

In fact I think it’s odd that you town lean that. Your explanation that you think it shows a town mindset doesn’t really hold water for me. Why would that come from town? Your explanation states:

“as though one has read through the thread, can at least see the justification for all of the rest of the reads, but can't see the reasoning for one of them. i imagine that scum trying to ask a question just to ask a question would be less likely to single out a single read from a set of them and more likely to respond to a post with basically only one point in it.“

You don’t say anything about why that is town behavior. A scum would be just as capable of honestly doing all of those things without having to fake anything. A very comfortable move for scum.

But you are also basically saying I think he is town because he did this thing I think is more likely to come from town.

Then you shit on your own read.

VOTE: NK15 that’s a scum post.

That townread based on my first post is constructed.
But other than discussing that read there is actually little content in her posts. This is scum defending themselves fulltime, and not engaging anywhere else seriously because

they are producing content

NSG is scum.

Scumteam is (Gamma, NSG, ?)

[Not Known 15]

not engaging anywhere else seriously

But they have a super secret scumread

Seriously?
It would be better for town if people would stop doing that - not explaining reads - because it is anti-town.
Unexplained reads can come from anyone until that idiotic meta stops existing.

[Not Known 15]

@NK15 could you elaborate a bit more about your case on gamma? before i vote

Not sure what the is to point out but I’ll clarify
Junko unvoted, but immediately doubled back to wanting to vote me, but is now asking NK15 for his case

Junko never said that the vote would be on Gamma though...

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In post 176 there is a seemingly that scum is unlikely to use but town is even more unlikely to use.
The motivaton behind the vote on Scrrrdbear is fake.

[Not Known 15]

And why do you not think it’s within JC/NM, or the FIVE people that picked 1?

And it better be a good reason because I can already think of one, and it’s not a great look for you Sir Bear

IDRC ABOUT THE 1 CHOICES, I RULED THAT NUMBER OUT RIGHT AWAY.

THE SHADE IN #38 IS MORE INDICATIVE OF SCUM.

VOTE: Gamma

So, despite the statistical evidence supporting there being multiple scum in the 1s, you have somehow "ruled them out" already. Yeah that's bogus.
VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

Clearly critical thinking is something Sir Bear is lacking in rn

Gamma just pushed Bear with a vote for the above. Yet, only a few posts later, Gamma attributes what Bear says with "a lack of critical thinking" instead.

[Not Known 15]

vote count 1.05

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-11-05 01:52:00).

yeet

Gamma Emerald [3]:

SCRRRDBEAR, northsidegal, Not Known 15

Dannflor [3]:

Roden, JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower

Not Known 15 [2]:

Porkens, Gamma Emerald

Porkens [2]:

KittyTacky, JunkoChan

Junkochan [1]:

Enchant

Not_Mafia [1]:

Not_Mafia

KittyTacky [1]:

Dannflor

not voting [1]:

Yume

mod notes

SCCCRDBEAR and northsidegal have been prodded

flavour

The Dannflor wagon smells like rotten cheese. Probably one scum in that one. The reasoning is ridiculous.

[Not Known 15]

Why is Gamma scum, cow

you can't talk to junkochan like that

Erm... that was probably addressed to Not Mafia?

323 is a super scummy hop-off, and cognitive load tell (aka NSG tell™) is real

Spoiler:

The number had to be between 0 and 14, it's in the rules

Could you point out for me where it says that?

once alignments have been dealt out, each player must send a (whole, positive) number back to the mod, with the lowest unique number winning the draft.

Google: Positive numbers are greater than 0 and located to the right of 0 on a number line. Negative numbers are less than 0 and located to the left of 0 on a number line. The number zero is neither positive nor negative.

Idk man this is either a stupid scum slip or a stupid Town "play"

Thinking about it i don't think the mod would say 0-14

I mean, that would be lying to one of the players about the rules

Can you please explain this in a bit more detail?

Can you explain the point of this vote?

I thought you were the most likely to be scum at this point

Is this your first time playing in this set up?

yes, why is this relevant

What role do you think the player at the top of the draft should always take?

I have not given it much thought

I could see an argument for a lot of things

but I don't see it how it matters when you can just as easily be scum no matter your role

I don't believe this thought process.

why does my page 5 scum read bother you so

"why me"

VOTE: Dann

THAT was the reason for the Dann wagon. "Why me" is a valid tell... if it's "why don't you push Y who did the same" or so.
This is a scumhunting question and does not deserve a scumread.
The other one was explained by

I don't believe this thought process.

I have never been someone good at or even particularly interested in mechanics, which might be part of the disconnect here

probably best to drop this particular line, I'll ask about it later

but the wagon even grew by 1 after that.
Penguin Power is definitely suspect for joining that wagon at that time.

[Not Known 15]

lol - that was the reason for Roden voting Dann. Weird to extend that to everyone else.

No, it's not. The other votes are naked.

[Not Known 15]

Naked votes don’t mean they are devoid of reason or for the same reason.

You claim to have a different reason? Well, then go. Explain it.

[Not Known 15]

Nah.

VOTE: PenguinPower
If you insist...

[Not Known 15]

@everyone
PenguinPower has refused to explain a read on Day 1.
Vote him to E-3(if you are Not_Mafia or Enchant to E-2)

[Not Known 15]

Are you always this robotic?

No, I am angry.

[Not Known 15]

Cool.

No, it's not. I have seen enough of this antitown meta.

[Not Known 15]

No one thinks Gamma town and this kinda strange.

Or people really don't care to answer my questions. Or no one cares.

I do.

Why.

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: Gamma

[Not Known 15]

Can we like…focus on this game and alignment in this game?

Ok.

STOP.

I'd like to do that properly but there are too many people refusing to back up their reads. Makes it far too easy for scum to fly under the radar. I think it's Gamma, and I think NSG might be another one, and maybe you, but it's difficult to be sure with zero cooperation. We should at this point be discussing the cases on people, but... nothing like that happens.

There are too many people not taking this seriously.

START MAKING YOUR CASES. NOW.

[Not Known 15]

Not buying this.
VOTE: Junko

[Not Known 15]

I am pretty disconnected with this game right now. I can't get much. Sure, Junko is probably not town, and Gamma is probably not town, and NSG and Penguin might not be town...
but I don't feel

sure

.

[Not Known 15]

Post 85: Votes for SCRRRDBEAR due to "ruling them out is bogus"
Post 91: Bear lacks critical thinking
If Gamma'd think that Bear lacks critical thinking then where's that scumread coming from? Opportunism, from scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

BUS VOTE

Nah.

VOTE: PenguinPower
If you insist...

HOP OFF THE WAGON ONTO TOWNIE

I am pretty disconnected with this game right now. I can't get much. Sure, Junko is probably not town, and Gamma is probably not town, and NSG and Penguin might not be town...
but I don't feel

sure

.

SCUM BURN OUT

This makes sense. VOTE: NK15

Yes, if it were the full truth. It isn't.
I didn't hop off a growing wagon, I re-voted Gamma later(until I switched to Junko)...
but I think that's just overexcited tunnelling.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Not Known 15]

My execution would help scum, and no one else.

Can we please vote Penguin Power instead?
PP is very evasive with giving reads reasoning(on Day 1, no less!)

VOTE: junko

That’s nm’s e-1.

UNVOTE:

could you stop voting yourself?

Meh.

VOTE: junko

This vote progression on Junko doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Putting at E-2, then unvoting after a self-vote and telling them to stop voting themselves, and then voting again?Why would you yell at someone to stop voting themselves if you scumread them?
VOTE: Penguin Power

[Not Known 15]

Maybe if you quoted my next post instead of selectively editing the ISO.....

Also Penguin you’re kinda being gullible here if every time Junko self-vote like that you get baited into unvoting

I want to give some people time to weigh in and N_M isn't on wagon.

My vote is still there in spirit.

Being angry at Junko, then, makes no sense as town scumreading her.
You are scum.

[Not Known 15]

Did you see that post during your ISO, NK? Seems hard to miss

I just looked at the votes. The progression still doesn't make sense.
Scumreads Junko and votes her ->

tells Junko to not self-vote

and unvotes-> votes later again.
You don't tell people you scumread to unvote themselves. You do that to townreads, and nullreads, but not scumreads.

[Not Known 15]

Where was I angry? Oh, you keep making shit up, got it.

could you stop voting yourself?

[Not Known 15]

NM and Enchant I'm not scum reading exactly no

I just don't think their votes are particularly likely to be accurate

and I don't think the reasons for scum reading PP are good

If you flip me, would you vote PP out tomorrow because I, as confirmed town, told you so(unless there's a PR result that takes priority)?

[Not Known 15]

how is that angry?

i ask again...are you a robot?

maybe annoyed... but you shouldn't be annoyed at scum self-voting either, if you were town.

[Not Known 15]

That sort of implies he has a level of confidence in his reads that I would find.... difficult to believe on a d1 read

You don't seem to know me, then.

[Not Known 15]

Hmmmmm....
alright that's a good point. Back to
VOTE: Gamma