Open 867: PYP: SEFD - Day Three

[JunkoChan]

But for real, either stop with the targeting or explain yourself

Well as i said i won't vote any of "masons" today for sure.

I also won't vote Rosen.

There's also specific members which i don't want to vote for example NM (also how NM and ... Which this one they both sumbitted 14 together i forgot nickname whatever)

Therefore randomly (not really) i picked you


Now selfvote

you mean me?

also hi! I'm glad to be back and my first game is with nsg dannflor gamma and penguin.. orz senpais, please be gentle, I'm cute and squishy

[JunkoChan]

btw I this is my first time playing PYP in this site, so I'm a bit confused, how many people can have powers in this game?

pedit @dannflor that's the OPPOSITE of GENTLE

[JunkoChan]

so I'm a bit confused, how many people can have powers in this game?

why was this confusing to you?

because im not sure if there can potentially be 1 of each of the power roles listed, let alone the pair part I'm counting them as 8 possible roles

or not.

because of theis scenario:

if I picked doctor and still became a townie, i know someone in the roster has doctor but they picked it before me, meaning I can pin point from my pov who might be a doctor and lean to believe them

does this make sense to you?

[JunkoChan]

OR if i picked doctor but didn't receive doctor OR roleblocker, does this mean they both exist in the game?

[JunkoChan]

I DECLARE YUME PORKENS NORTHSIDEGAL NOT KNOWN 15 AND ME AS MASONS

AT BEST ONLY ONE MAF HERE


NOT VOTING RODEN, SLOT WILL SELFRESOLVE


THEREFORE WE ALL SHALL KILL GAMMA

whatever happened to killing gamma?

by the way i think it was to early to say it was TvT @Roden even if it results to be true

[JunkoChan]

Only doctor or roleblocker can possibly exist, can’t have both

thanks.

[JunkoChan]

btw I this is my first time playing PYP in this site, so I'm a bit confused, how many people can have powers in this game?

pedit @dannflor that's the OPPOSITE of GENTLE

As many as 8, not including mafia goons

didn't see this cuz it ws page floor, thanks again, I get it now

[JunkoChan]

But I think I also support the junkies wagon

junkies? I'm taking that personal.

[JunkoChan]

I sincerely apologize it was autocorrect.

I'll autocorrect your... I mean, it's okay don't worry about it

[JunkoChan]

I can pin point from my pov who might be a doctor and lean to believe them

do you realize that a potential doctor (or any role) could be scum?

I do

as to why I didn't ask, I thought maybe someone could use the information too, that's just how I roll, asking pregame is not my thing

[JunkoChan]

Gamma Emerald is being weird but I'm not sure if that's scummy or just being NAI weird.

Coukd You explain why You think he is being weird?

[JunkoChan]

by the way, i think trying to divine the tea leaves and read who's scum from the number picks is generally a fool's errand this early in the game. later on we can get into the WIFOM of whether or not scum picked the same number (to which the answer is typically no) but for now it's probably a waste of attention.

Yeah I feel like scum might very well have picked whatever would confuse town the most.

i mean i think this is exactly the kind of tea leaf divining attempt that i was talking about

Yeah i see your point, i kinda thought about the picked numbers for a second but without some pieces of the puzzle it's pointless.

[JunkoChan]

Before things go to far, just wanna mention to not let Penguin or especially nsg slide without justifying their votes on me

I will go ahead and preempt this with

Well if you want my vote on gamma, you gotta tell me why, I don't see anything that strikes me as scum right away

[JunkoChan]

Gamma Emerald is being weird but I'm not sure if that's scummy or just being NAI weird.

Coukd You explain why You think he is being weird?

I played a bunch with GE as both alignments and he usually isn't this... I don't know what it is I see in his posts but it's weird.

So completly based on meta?

[JunkoChan]

like I feel you're overly worried about the seriousness of a page 5 wagon on you

Well this is at leat A reason, and he is more occupied defending himself from this than trying to be helpful

Plus i didn't like the "do the work for me" in the tiene

VOTE: gamma emerald


By the way i'm usually more inclined to lynch more quiet people day 1 so I'm okay with Yume nk15 or not_mafia too at this point, might change my mind tho

These 3 have anything to say about gamma or scrrrrrrdbear?

[JunkoChan]

In the tone*

[JunkoChan]

By the way i'm usually more inclined to lynch more quiet people day 1 so I'm okay with Yume nk15 or not_mafia too at this point, might change my mind tho

FYI since you've been gone awhile...

For many years, the word “lynch” was used to describe the person who was voted out by town in a mafia game. We no longer allow this word to be used.

Oh i didn't knew about it, thanks for the heads up

[JunkoChan]

have

do you have any reads

I do but they would require a long post to explain and writing in my phone is not confortable at all

If You want a list without context i can do that

[JunkoChan]

yeah we can drop it, it was just a very small feeling that probably wasn't worth bringing up

you might say I'm

downplaying it

Jesus Christ.

[JunkoChan]

i have a super secret scumread

who can guess who the super secret scumread is

Orden?

[JunkoChan]

Roden*

[JunkoChan]

i have a super secret scumread

who can guess who the super secret scumread is

King Ancar?

Oh, my bad, he is everyone's super secret scumread. Even those who follow him secretly scumread him.

What's your take on gamma?

[JunkoChan]

i have a super secret scumread

who can guess who the super secret scumread is

King Ancar?

Oh, my bad, he is everyone's super secret scumread. Even those who follow him secretly scumread him.

What's your take on gamma?

Can you try asking about someone else?

you see someone else at 5 votes?

[JunkoChan]

It’s kinda hard to engage effectively if the content is railroaded into being about me

so you are not effective under pressure? I mean, if you were confident that your contribution thus far is on the best interest of town you shouldn't be worried.

also, it's pretty early in the game if it feels like you will be early hammered I'll take my vote out.

so now, one more time, if it's not you, then who and why?

[JunkoChan]

Also where does “one more time” factor in, I think this was our first direct engagement this game?

I took our previous exchange as me soft telling you to put your shit together and not just try to "hurr durr im town" your way out of it

are we clear?

[JunkoChan]

I see no point in derailing conversation from a main topic in the chat, unless something else imporant comes up, or do you want to talk about not_mafia's meme posting or something?

[JunkoChan]

And are you voting them “for pressure” or do you actually scumread them?

I abstain from answering this


most of what I can say about the gamma case would be a copy cat of what others have already said, you could say I agree with them to simplify

[JunkoChan]

like I feel you're overly worried about the seriousness of a page 5 wagon on you

Well this is at leat A reason, and he is more occupied defending himself from this than trying to be helpful

Plus i didn't like the "do the work for me" in the tiene

VOTE: gamma emerald


By the way i'm usually more inclined to lynch more quiet people day 1 so I'm okay with Yume nk15 or not_mafia too at this point, might change my mind tho

These 3 have anything to say about gamma or scrrrrrrdbear?

Ok which cases / posts specifically do you agree with and why?

I already said why I agree with the votes on him, his responses so far do not scream town to me, but I wanted to know why exactly those before my vote where voting him

[JunkoChan]

yume nk15 not_mafia and jhon still haven't said anything about the current state of the game

[JunkoChan]

Excuse me I have poor reading comprehension and retention. I apologize for making you repeat yourself.

it's kay, english is not my first lenguage so I suffer from it a bit, so I try to read more carefully I guess?

[JunkoChan]

Readalong thoughts

Spoiler:

VOTE: johnny

No hard feelings abt lost... right?
_

Enchant has some vague nondescript beef with me, I would rather he actually speak his mind rather than just target me nonsensically

Gamma opens real spicy lately
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I also won't vote Rosen.

Uh why? They haven't even posted yet?
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TO MISLEAD

This makes me not trust you at all
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you’ll find why I chose the number I did is obvious.

Looked back to see if you picked 69 or sum
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@Enchant

has Gamma indicated their annoyance with you voting them early in the past?
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Mafia Goon is like Vigilante, but you fight with two weirdos for right to use it

This made me laugh
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I picked 1 because I thought everyone else would second guess their way out of it.

Trying to decide if this is "I have a cool anecdote" or "I'm being preemptively defensive"
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IDRC ABOUT THE 1 CHOICES, I RULED THAT NUMBER OUT RIGHT AWAY.

Gamma's clearly not following you here and neither am I.
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THAT'S HOW I ROLL

Lol I like this guy
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mm my heart is saying that Junko entering the game dumb telling to this extent is more town indicative

there is an off chance she thought she could take advantage of her extended absence from the site but this feels... a little too blatant?

maybe I'm reading too much into something that's just NAI

I win entire scum games because of thinking like this. Some of us are just dumb.
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What's the reason for Junko town?

WOAH Nk is in this game
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Stealth hi bye
I got the role I wanted

What a ballsy intro I love it
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Yeah I feel like scum might very well have picked whatever would confuse town the most.

On top of that with the variable nature of this setup I'm sure I could come up with a reason why scum would pick every single option on this board
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I played a bunch with GE as both alignments and he usually isn't this... I don't know what it is I see in his posts but it's weird.

Gamma's big mad lately.
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what's your interpretation of NK15's one post? do you think it's just NAI?

You didn't ask me this but solely popping in to push back on a townread seems more scummy than townie.
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Lol porky agrees
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in fact i think the process is like very marginally town indicative for nsg even though i disagree

I agree with this whole post
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By the way i'm usually more inclined to lynch more quiet people day 1 so I'm okay with Yume nk15 or not_mafia too at this point, might change my mind tho

@Junko

- do you review your posts before you submit them? Or do you just play more off the dome?
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Junko do you any reads

have

do you have any reads

Live with your choices coward
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so who we killing

I'd prolly be pushing for Junko or maybe Dann at this point in the read, if anybody.
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And are you voting them “for pressure” or do you actually scumread them?

I feel like this is obvious at the point of post
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yume nk15 not_mafia and jhon still haven't said anything about the current state of the game

Lol I've been added to the list
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Gamma…

You were scum in that game

LOL
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NM making exactly one post and then fucking off means he probably isn't having fun. Which could mean he can't troll anyone in a scum PT, so slight +town.

This is the best way to read NM I've ever encountered

Dannflor playing straight man to this whole clown thread is fun to read.

On Gamma vs. everybody: I'm just not feeling Gamma's wagon. I don't trust Bear or Junko atm, pengy is always a question mark. On top of that I don't know what is happening with Gamma lately but they seem troubled and it's coming through as aggressive exasperation over and over again in games lately. It's NAI and honestly hard to read around.

I'll basically vote Enchant whenever, they're a hard read.

Those are my thoughts off the dome. AMA

thanks for joining in, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, if you see any typo in my post I probably just wrote it and pushed the button, I often pedit my post too, if anything in the new posts changes my thoughts

[JunkoChan]

So Junko, you were calling out inactives in 161 and I wasn't on the list, but Yume and NK were.

(I would argue that they had a decent amount of content in each of their posts, though granted they each only had one. Meanwhile I hadn't posted anything of consequense, and I would argue that -despite their post count- penguin and Enchant hadn't really posted any readable content either.)

BUT THEN, you later posted another lurker list that did have me on it in 227

Whyyyyyyy

I've come to one potential conclusion here but I'd like to hear it from you

I forgot about you, you are reading too much into it

[JunkoChan]

I wouldn't call that "decent content" btw, could you tell me why you consider that not lurking?

[JunkoChan]

Ah, my self esteem

dude, you literally said "hi"and yeeted until today in a 14 player game, only now I can remember the entire roster, I literally made a list in my notes to remember the player base and still forgot about you for some reason in that post

[JunkoChan]

well now that I think about it from you point of view, anything more than "hi" is decent...

jokes aside my question stands

[JunkoChan]

I wouldn't call that "decent content" btw, could you tell me why you consider that not lurking?

I mean I think coming in and claiming a role is pretty splashy. Nk is arguable but I do agree with those thinking he leans scummy for that post

you are not asking but for me anyone that lurks is scum until proven innocent

about claiming a role... I mean, I'm inclined to believe that's more scumsided than townsided

[JunkoChan]

Stealth hi bye
I got the role I wanted

@Porkens

[JunkoChan]

I wouldn't call that "decent content" btw, could you tell me why you consider that not lurking?

I mean I think coming in and claiming a role is pretty splashy. Nk is arguable but I do agree with those thinking he leans scummy for that post

you are not asking but for me anyone that lurks is scum until proven innocent

about claiming a role... I mean, I'm inclined to believe that's more scumsided than townsided

I don't really have a response to this, just acknowledging that I read it and don't like it super much

you don't like what I said or the claim?

[JunkoChan]

you don't like what I said or the claim

What you said, just the whole Lim all Lurkers of it all. Not my vibe

okay, unrelated to the game but let me explain you my thought process

if you are town would you like to:

A) let alone lurkers?
B) pressure lurkers?

the answer is always B because town can talk freely while scum has to create a story which is more difficult if they are forced to talk

So by letting lurkers live you are advocating for the scum team regardless of your aligment.

this is of course my point of view and it's how I've always played mafia

So I'm curious why you would be mad about it

[JunkoChan]

man I'm having a hard time not saying the L word, is so engrained in my brain

[JunkoChan]

UNVOTE: gamma emerald

I'll need to reconsider things

[JunkoChan]

well page 13 is more interesting than lthe last 8(?) pages

[JunkoChan]

I know the way

[JunkoChan]

@NK15 could you elaborate a bit more about your case on gamma? before i vote

[JunkoChan]

Not sure what the is to point out but I’ll clarify
Junko unvoted, but immediately doubled back to wanting to vote me, but is now asking NK15 for his case

are you really this self centered or are you actually afraid?

[JunkoChan]

Not sure what the is to point out but I’ll clarify
Junko unvoted, but immediately doubled back to wanting to vote me, but is now asking NK15 for his case

are you really this self centered or are you actually afraid?

I have a way of parsing sentences that returns mixed results on poorly written posts
So tl;dr, ya basic
But seriously, unless you’re voting one of me or NK, what’s the relevance of his case on me to your vote?

the thing about scum is that when asked to rephrase is harder to do becuase it's a lie or an act, and nk15 hasn't said much until now

that being said, I like his response

this is the way: VOTE: Porkens

[JunkoChan]

Hey Yume, are you going to say anything related to the game?

[JunkoChan]

Explain why

i'll ignore this

[JunkoChan]

Why 14 junko and notmafko?

my birthday is december 14.

aight back to ignoring you

[JunkoChan]

The number had to be between 0 and 14, it's in the rules

Could you point out for me where it says that?

once alignments have been dealt out, each player must send a (whole, positive) number back to the mod, with the lowest unique number winning the draft.

Google: Positive numbers are greater than 0 and located to the right of 0 on a number line. Negative numbers are less than 0 and located to the left of 0 on a number line. The number zero is neither positive nor negative.

Idk man this is either a stupid scum slip or a stupid Town "play"

[JunkoChan]

Thinking about it i don't think the mod would say 0-14

[JunkoChan]

I mean, that would be lying to one of the players about the rules

[JunkoChan]

Johnny’s reads leave something to be desired imo

He thinks i didn't notice he didn't mention me.

Home boy got his e-feelings hurt

[JunkoChan]

The way porkens jumped on not_math for that so hastily makes me feel my vote stronger, feels like mafia looking for a hanging fruit

[JunkoChan]

The way porkens jumped on not_math for that so hastily makes me feel my vote stronger, feels like mafia looking for a hanging fruit

VOTE: JunkoChan
That’s two-for-two on taking comedic posts seriously, think there’s a cognitive load issue here

How is a non-rvs vote not serious? Buddy

[JunkoChan]

The way porkens jumped on not_math for that so hastily makes me feel my vote stronger, feels like mafia looking for a hanging fruit

VOTE: JunkoChan
That’s two-for-two on taking comedic posts seriously, think there’s a cognitive load issue here

How is a non-rvs vote not serious? Buddy

I don’t believe Porkens actually believes scum got different instructions, that would be a serious modding offense
It follows that Porkens is doing a little trolling of his own

How are You so sure about this?

[JunkoChan]

Iirc Porkens also like fosed You But didn't vote You before, are You actually porkens partner and You know she si trolling because You got the mafia private chat and You know not_mafia is just being silly?

[JunkoChan]

I have a super secret scumread now™

[JunkoChan]

Withholding reads is anti-town

No u

[JunkoChan]

Why is Gamma scum, cow

you can't talk to junkochan like that

He is giving me a cold shoilder cuz i forgot about him, he is not Even scum reading me and now calles me cow

The audacity

[JunkoChan]

Why is Gamma scum, cow

you can't talk to junkochan like that

Btw a funny thought i had, watch Kitty penguin and Johnny be the mafia team and laugh their way to victory

[JunkoChan]

(I know tone is hard to read in text, so I just wanna say I have no ill feelings toward you)

SHUT UP I meant the literal moocow

I know i know

[JunkoChan]

Can you please explain this in a bit more detail?

the basic idea for those unfamiliar is that playing scum or just in general lying is a lot more cognitive stress / a lot more of a cognitive load than playing town is, and one consequence of this is that someone may be less likely to pick up on humor, and thus will respond to a joke completely seriously or misinterpret what someone's saying. (ironically enough, exactly like you do right there)

it is also a trademarked tell of NSG incorporated and every time you use it in a game you must give me credit or else receive a cease and desist from my lawyers

Well ima just going to tell

[JunkoChan]

Fuck My phone

tell You, You are wrong,

[JunkoChan]

I mean, i get where you are coming from nsg but I wouldn't use that logic in site mafia

[JunkoChan]

Also the fact that You drew that conclusion from me but fail to SEE that gamma's reaction is weird from an uninformed Town pov is mindblowing to me

Or at least consider it

[JunkoChan]

can i assume by the way that you're talking to me and about my vote / scumread on you that you think that i'm town?

You were Town, now You are null

Fyi My possible scum teams atm are

Gamma porkens ?

And Jhonny Kitty penguin

[JunkoChan]

Also the fact that You drew that conclusion from me but fail to SEE that gamma's reaction is weird from an uninformed Town pov is mindblowing to me

Or at least consider it

can you point me towards where you got this impression of what i think?

You didn't Say anything about it, which is again mindblowing

[JunkoChan]

Can you please explain this in a bit more detail?

the basic idea for those unfamiliar is that playing scum or just in general lying is a lot more cognitive stress / a lot more of a cognitive load than playing town is, and one consequence of this is that someone may be less likely to pick up on humor, and thus will respond to a joke completely seriously or misinterpret what someone's saying. (ironically enough, exactly like you do right there)

it is also a trademarked tell of NSG incorporated and every time you use it in a game you must give me credit or else receive a cease and desist from my lawyers

I apologize

Huh, i don't get this why is gamma apologizing?
Am I missing something?

[JunkoChan]

For "stealing the trademark"

Oh

[JunkoChan]

One two three.

fascinating

[JunkoChan]

How do I know you aren't lying now.....

The number had to be between 0 and 14, it's in the rules

Oh shit the kid fucked up and sent a different version of the rules to scum VOTE: not_mafia

Guys it's Not_Mafia, he's a trollface as both alignments.

I…I was joking….

this i was joking thing is getting cringe isn't it?

[JunkoChan]

Where Junko? Why blue hair lady?

pixelated avatar, can't find a good one

orz

[JunkoChan]

Consider my vote on gamma too

[JunkoChan]

I still would prefer porkens tho

[JunkoChan]

No one thinks Gamma town and this kinda strange.

Or people really don't care to answer my questions. Or no one cares.

I feel a general "I don't care enough" feeling from this roster tbh

[JunkoChan]

iso penguin yume and nk15 to name a few

[JunkoChan]

Well, I feel weary in general, and the only reason I am active in this is because the same mod hosts HOTD and he might reject me if I am not active enough here.

weary on day 1, half of day 1

ok

[JunkoChan]

Well, I feel weary in general, and the only reason I am active in this is because the same mod hosts HOTD and he might reject me if I am not active enough here.

weary on day 1, half of day 1

ok

I am weary of life in general

cool beans.

@mod V/LA until tuesday

[JunkoChan]

mod notes

will prod people on Monday if they do not post >.>

mean.

I can compromise junko.

This post be like:

OH hey guys! I have evidence on a serial killer, but ima say nothing cuz.... "reasons"

I don't know how this post comes from town.

I'll catch up and then I'll still be LA until tomorrow

[JunkoChan]

because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

386 COULD BE SCUMMY? I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO READ JOHNNY? I'M DOWN TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT JOHNNY AND JUNKO AFTER GAMMA GETS FLIPPED.

Fencing.

any particular reason for gamma over junko today? you were saying a lot early in the game and i kinda expected that energy to continue but i feel like you've been a lot quieter, have you caught up fully or mostly just been skimming?

I don't know how this post comes from town.

PORKENS IS PROBABLY TOWN

why?

[JunkoChan]

well that was a whole lot of nothing, it changed nothing on my pov, actually semented the groups I'm pairing up

[JunkoChan]

because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

386 COULD BE SCUMMY? I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO READ JOHNNY? I'M DOWN TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT JOHNNY AND JUNKO AFTER GAMMA GETS FLIPPED.

any particular reason for gamma over junko today? you were saying a lot early in the game and i kinda expected that energy to continue but i feel like you've been a lot quieter, have you caught up fully or mostly just been skimming?

fencing.

I messed up the format on my previous post

[JunkoChan]

Junko why is porkens scum

I don't really recall you ever elucidating reasons for that read

she just is

if you iso her and you find 1 town post I'll change my mind

[JunkoChan]

why?

I JUST PLAYED AGAINST THEIR SCUM GAME AND I THINK THEY ARE TOWN NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING DIFFERENT

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13538684

rofl how is it different? if anything is the same, vague, short and generally meaningless posts

[JunkoChan]

because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

386 COULD BE SCUMMY? I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO READ JOHNNY? I'M DOWN TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT JOHNNY AND JUNKO AFTER GAMMA GETS FLIPPED.

any particular reason for gamma over junko today? you were saying a lot early in the game and i kinda expected that energy to continue but i feel like you've been a lot quieter, have you caught up fully or mostly just been skimming?

fencing.

I messed up the format on my previous post

WHY FENCING INSTEAD OF INDECISIVE TOWNIE?

because i like that word

[JunkoChan]

plus if i call them "indecisive townie" I would be implying i town read them and.. I don't

[JunkoChan]

why?

I JUST PLAYED AGAINST THEIR SCUM GAME AND I THINK THEY ARE TOWN NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING DIFFERENT

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13538684

rofl how is it different? if anything is the same, vague, short and generally meaningless posts

I DON'T THINK SO

well, you are wrong

[JunkoChan]

I town read nk15

[JunkoChan]

I'll agree to disagree, since we agreed on something I'll let you know about my scumreads

[JunkoChan]

most likely gamma porkens NSG

likely penguin katty jhonny

less likely dannfloor yume roden

Rest: Town

I know going from 13 to 9 ain't much but hey, it's day 1

[JunkoChan]

Well that was ceartainly a treat,

anyway I agree with you except on porkens and gamma tho,

tbh I approach day 1 not expecting to catch mafia but to read into interactions, who feels like it's buddy buddy with who and who is spacing from who, that's my town game.

the scum teams(?) I posted are joky kinda not post, you don't seem to care much about setup but they are actually based on what everyone picked, you can get your own idea if you put a bit of time into checking the numbers

now I just gave you a better example of what I'm sitting on right now in 598

[JunkoChan]

also I'm trying to answer everything I can right now, cuz I'll be busy until tuesday night.

I have like an hour or so more

so if you got anything else to ask about 598 or 608 ask now or wait til then

[JunkoChan]

oh and I already told you how i feel about nsg, until she picks a side, this feels like scumplay to me

[JunkoChan]

also I'm trying to answer everything I can right now, cuz I'll be busy until tuesday night.

I have like an hour or so more

so if you got anything else to ask about 598 or 608 ask now or wait til then

CAN YOU GO THROUGH YOUR TOWN READS REAL NICE AND SLOW?

y u m e

n o t _ m a f i a

s c r r r r r r r r r d b e a r

and E n c h a n t

[JunkoChan]

I don't feel like I have to make a case for any of those tbh, they are not even being voted

[JunkoChan]

that raises a question that dann also brought up, why then I'm not defending dann? or voting him if I scumread him even slightly if he is part of a main wagon, well he is very low on my scum tier plus until recently the gamma wagon was on top, I think he still is(?) wchich is also one of my soul votes

[JunkoChan]

I don't feel like I have to make a case for any of those tbh, they are not even being voted

NOT MAFIA TOWNREAD?

yes

[JunkoChan]

also I'm trying to answer everything I can right now, cuz I'll be busy until tuesday night.

I have like an hour or so more

so if you got anything else to ask about 598 or 608 ask now or wait til then

CAN YOU GO THROUGH YOUR TOWN READS REAL NICE AND SLOW?

y u m e

n o t _ m a f i a

s c r r r r r r r r r d b e a r

and E n c h a n t

You want to join memes gang with readlist like these?

do I?

[JunkoChan]

just a few players are taking this game seriously anyway

I'm out, see ya on tuesday

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: junko

I don't have time to catch or make a complete post

1.i'm not trying to Guess the entire scum teams
2. My actual reads are in 598
3. At least 2 scums are on My wagon, that's the info You Will get by flipping me
4. There is a jailkeeper or a doctor in this Game

Do with that as you please

Unbelievable that lurkers get a pass but I Say i have to be LA

This site's meta is a joke

[JunkoChan]

Unbelievable that lurkers get a pass but I Say i have to be LA and this happens*

[JunkoChan]

this site's meta is a joke

self-votes

most likely gamma porkens NSG

likely penguin katty jhonny

less likely dannfloor yume roden

Rest: Town

I know going from 13 to 9 ain't much but hey, it's day 1

so these aren't paired teams?

Of course not

[JunkoChan]

well that was a whole lot of nothing, it changed nothing on my pov, actually semented the groups I'm pairing up

I don't know why you say of course not when you put your reads in groups of three and said the above.

Well call it poorly phrased, My bad

[JunkoChan]

Why aren't you voting gamma?

My vote is on him or porkens i cannot vote them both at the same time

I wanted to get more info about porkens because the slot seems fishy so i voted to fish reactions from her and the roster

[JunkoChan]

Unbelievable that lurkers get a pass but I Say i have to be LA and this happens*

also I'm trying to answer everything I can right now, cuz I'll be busy until tuesday night.

I have like an hour or so more

so if you got anything else to ask about 598 or 608 ask now or wait til then

CAN YOU GO THROUGH YOUR TOWN READS REAL NICE AND SLOW?

y u m e

n o t _ m a f i a

s c r r r r r r r r r d b e a r

and E n c h a n t

You're townreading three of the lurkers...

Why did you say Yume is a town read but also had Yume as scum.

He is on My "less likely" list wdym?

[JunkoChan]

Are you always this technical?

[JunkoChan]

The answer to scrrrrrrdbear was obviously a Joke and i didn't think much about it si i put the 4 names i had in my head as probably towns

[JunkoChan]

Anyway i voted out complete annoyance

You want gamma? Ok let's go gamma

VOTE: gamma

[JunkoChan]

Junko have you self voted as town before

yes, many times I don't remember if i did in this site tho, i't been a while

i don't care as long as the people who i think is scum is in the wagon and can be crossed after

silly? maybe

effective? often

stilysh? of course not

[JunkoChan]

One last thing first…

Junko have you self voted as town before

yes, many times I don't remember if i did in this site tho, i't been a while

i don't care as long as the people who i think is scum is in the wagon and can be crossed after

silly? maybe

effective? often

stilysh? of course not

He is on My "less likely" list wdym?

Right - Yume is on your less likely

scum

list but then you go on to say Yume is

town

while you leave off NK15 completely who isn't on your scumlist at all.

I mean - idk that I'm being technical more than you have some inconsistencies that I'm trying to understand.

You gonna address this or no?

i already did, I told you, you are comparing an obvious joke post with an obvious joke tone that i made with the names i had on the top of my head that I had as null town or likely town, if you want to hang me for that minor detail so be it.

anyway the site kept loging me out in my phone I had to turn on my pc to post this

I have to finish my dress I have to put on make up, I have to prepare my sister and none of this means shit to you but I had a long day so if you could back off that would be nice

happy halloween everyone

[JunkoChan]

junko already claimed they missed out on doc/jk which I assume they mean doc/roleblocker

I actually wanted jk thought it was jk/doctor

It's jk/tracker

Whatever VOTE: junko

Gamma is making stuff up about me "trying to survive" changing My vote to him "all of a sudden" when i said waaay before this weird wagon on me that i was fine with killing him, porkens hop off is also weird

Like i said i'm fairly convinced this is a scum push

[JunkoChan]

I actually picked 14 because it's My birthday, it has no relation yo n_m

[JunkoChan]

UNVOTE:

could you stop voting yourself?

No

[JunkoChan]

it is frustrating that it feels like half the player list is only half paying attention to this game

aye

[JunkoChan]

I’m leaning townchan.

you KNOW I'm town lol

[JunkoChan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYRwPV6 ... nel=Timmiy

[JunkoChan]

I'm actually curious about who is gonna vote me, so just as a f you to the scum team VOTE: Gamma

[JunkoChan]

NOT MAFIA

CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT JOHNNY'S ISO AND TELL US IF YOU SEE ANYTHING AI IN EITHER DIRECTION? I SAW A QUOTE ONCE WHERE YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE
"IN MY HEART, JOHNNY WILL ALWAYS BE SCUM" SO I THINK YOU MIGHT BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH HIS SCUM GAME THAN ANYONE ELSE HERE.

N_m right now:

[JunkoChan]

I've lost the plot on this game

x2

[JunkoChan]

Ladies, gentlemen, and noble folk alike: this is cow

thanks for pointing that out

[JunkoChan]

The plot twist of this Game is obvious.

There's 11 mafia and 3 town

[JunkoChan]

scrrrrdbear are you alisae?

penguin why are you guys voting nk15 again?

I lost track

[JunkoChan]

@penguin how did you manage to enrage the meme team?

[JunkoChan]

Junko who you voting?

my vote is on gamma, to be honest I'm having a hard time understanding what's so wrong about nk15

but if i have to choose between penguin and nk15 it would be nk15

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: nk15

Ok ok

wait is this hammer?

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: NSG

Weird for You to vote nsg after your last day 1 post

This should be a nobrainer

VOTE: Porkens

I don't want to say I told you so, but I did

[JunkoChan]

No, i won't assume it to be cop check.

w..who are you talking to?

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: NSG

Seems like she's trying to wait out the elim. NK15 feels pretty clearly town.

I forgot about this post, I'll let it pass for now

[JunkoChan]

I was about to jump on gamma like

WHAT DO YOU MEAN PHENOMENAL???

-clicked roden's iso
-cool off
-tru dat

[JunkoChan]

I challenge you to explain your case.

[/quote]

bold coming from someone who lolhammered without a claim or a defense from nk15

[JunkoChan]

I do think nsg’s lack of presence might indicate she didn’t care who got voted out which would be sus given she SR me and Junko but TR NK15
Also, I think I’ll split my questioning so I can get started on it now

I still scum lean you tbh but less than yesterday

[JunkoChan]

I would not if you weren't on nk15 lim tho I'll do a vote recap later maybe I'll change my mind

[JunkoChan]

mafia killed himmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[JunkoChan]

on that note we could lim nsg, if nsg flips town, we lim roden, if scum we lim porkens or another roden call no?

[JunkoChan]

on that note we could lim nsg, if nsg flips town, we lim roden, if scum we lim porkens or another roden call no?

On an nsg townflip, my number 1 suspect would be you

huh

[JunkoChan]

[JunkoChan]

Well here we go, at this point in the post I feel like this wagon built faster than I fcking remembered 1 day and a few hours irl

right now in this very moment I think I'd most want to kill VOTE: nk15

first vote from dann, after re-reading through Dann's posts, I feel like he at least had a case on nk15 from start to finish, dann on a re-read what changes on your aprettiation of the game in 600? as it felt like nothing changes from there all the way to nk15's lim

Can we please eliminate NK15?

VOTE: nk15 I’d prefer this over pretty much any other.

again on a re-read I feel like porkens went from "flavour of the day" vote to "flavour of the day" vote without ever explaining or giving reason to anything, you can seee this in 391 534 654 and 764 they all fill blendy

VOTE: NK15

I STILL FOS GAMMA

scrrrdbear joins the wagon and...

Oh my fucking god you are beautiful.

VOTE: penguinepower

flavour of the day vote comes in

Aren't penguin was your top townread

Enchant points this out +town

I’m just super intimidated by him

and the answer is pfft is flavour of the day so I have to vote kappa

Oh my fucking god you are beautiful.

VOTE: penguinepower

Memeing is fun while we wait, but stop fucking with the vote count.

Kthx.

this interaction feels natural from penguin

VOTE: NK15

awkward hop in considering 386 is the only time jhonny ever talked about nk15 that I could find, what was the motivation there?

yeah - i'm fine with that

VOTE: nk15

annoyed tone yet natural

VOTE: NK15

And this was Yume's game-advancing content for today.

f'ing weird hop in, but consistent with yume's "gameplay"

BAH

VOTE: NSG

I DON'T THINK THIS IS TOWN

I have to give credit to bear's vote here, sadly we didn't listen, (not like the lolhammer gave us time to)

VOTE: NK15
Whatever. Let’s just him and me out back-to-back, give Penguin what he wants so fucking badly
Enjoy having 4 dead town by Day 3

penguin and gamma probably not mafia with this interaction

VOTE: NK15

I WILL PUSH NSG TOMORROW, THEIR D1 PLAY WAS SCUMMY

oh dear lord..

VOTE: nk15

Ok ok

lolhammer

[JunkoChan]

Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

[JunkoChan]

Probably will ask something stupid but by NSG who you mean?

northsidegal

[JunkoChan]

Hey Roden why nsg first and not Porkens?

[JunkoChan]

Hey Roden why nsg first and not Porkens?

They can both be scum. Porkens isn't doing much to scum hunt and seems more focused on defending themself. I only voted NSG first to see what would happen.

good answer

[JunkoChan]

Cool, because i am not voting Pork either.

what's your read list looking right now enchant?

[JunkoChan]

Excuse me my scumhunting lead to yesterdays elim, so don’t say I’m not scumhunting.

Accusing me of FOTD voting is also horseshit because my nk15 vote was post case and my Pp vote was a hilarious meme wagon*.

Balancing all my posts out I hardly think you’ll find the majority are purely defending myself, although the ones that are reflect probably scums attempt to eliminate me.

I will happily eliminate junko, yume, possibly others.

I don’t feel NSG scum here because nsg is just better than this as either alignment so their shit playing is NAI for me.

VOTE: yume

VOTE:

Porkens

[JunkoChan]

Junko constantly self-voting and deploying is AtE is uh not great. Feels more scum manipulative than town manipulative since I don't think the frustration seems natural from a townie perspective. I'm fine voting there unless people want to wait before we the end the day.

This reasoning doesn’t feel substantive to me. Am I alone in this feeling?

I’m leaning townchan.

What happened to this? What changed?

lies are easy to forget

[JunkoChan]

Wtf are you actually talking about I responded directly to junko. Excuse me for not being paragon of scumhunting today I am having to play defensive because people are performática pearl clutching about hammering someone ECERYONE thought was scum”

flavour of the day vote

[JunkoChan]

you know, porkens, your "defense" is hilarious but you still haven't answered the most important question of all and it's why did you hammer without a claim or an explanation, with fair enough amount of time left

[JunkoChan]

but you are too busy trying to protect yourself in your own loop of scum play that you failed to give that explanation

[JunkoChan]

by the way I can see scum motivation in hammers like this because I do it all the time

it's one of those "too scummy to be scum" plays

I find it funny

[JunkoChan]

did you consider shooting a slot that seemed unlikely to be readable at any point

Oh sure I thought about it, but I like shooting scum more than town lurkers so I was waiting for more info.

porkens big overreaction to like 2 votes but I don't necessarily think that's Scummy

seems probably bad to claim vig as scum?

shhh - let him answer

Is anyone actually buying this?

[JunkoChan]

....buying what? you aren't being very clear about what is suspect.

I'm not buying this game

I'll rent it

yeah.. I give up

I'll come back each day to post a tiktok and leave

gg

[JunkoChan]

or this

[JunkoChan]

I'm not changing my vote either, good luck talking to ghosts

[JunkoChan]

[JunkoChan]

[JunkoChan]

Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

ebwop

[JunkoChan]

aight I'll play

[JunkoChan]

Let's talk about Porkens case first

do you guys know that mafia know eachother's roles? and maybe JUST MAYBE one of the upper players in the list got the vigilante role, porkens would never be counterclaimed this way

this seems 10 times more possible than someone so down on the list getting such an important PR

also there's this that flew over my head when it happened but i've been saying there's something off about porkens FOR A WHILE

Gamma/junko/yume/Johnny/Rodan
? Yeah s that was you are saying?

I've re-read the pages before that like 5 times and still doesn't make sense, and the fact that porkens can't explain it doesn't make it look any better, I feel like this is a slip

If porkens flips red this list is 10 times more important

[JunkoChan]

Penguin and roden are pretty much confirmed town

[JunkoChan]

enchat no_mafia and yume are wildcards but I'm leaning towards they just being town

[JunkoChan]

that leaves:

gamma
dannfloor
porkens
star/nsg
jhonny
kittytakky

let's say we remove the people from porkens list

which are gamma and jhonny

we get

dannfloor
nsg/star
kitty
porkens

from this list I only townread kitty

and porkens/dann are pushing for an nsg vote

unless this is all town on town warfare and somehow there's more than 1 mafia in (n_m yume enchant)

this is what it is

[JunkoChan]

and porkens/dann are pushing for an nsg vote

where is porkens pushing for nsg?

I could have sworn I saw that, nvm that part then

I actually feel uneasy about dannfloor and scumread porkens

[JunkoChan]

junko why do you scum read me exactly

or is it a lack of town read, and if so what is missing

PoE

[JunkoChan]

and the fact that I can't see interactions the same way you do

[JunkoChan]

like for me porkens claim is so unlikely that it probably is, yet you are like oh ya that makes perfect sense

just as an example

[JunkoChan]

like for me porkens claim is so unlikely that it probably is, yet you are like oh ya that makes perfect sense

just as an example

you might favor this nsg quote: "The error that most consistently loses towns games is focusing on the townies who do outrageous things rather than the silently scummy people."

oh yeah that thing I tried to do early in the game, that little thing called policy lim lurkers and it almost got me killed?

that's what you mean?

what a revolucionary thougt

[JunkoChan]

policy lims are gross and those types of slots I think can be resolved before end game through PoE or vig shots

that's not what I mean when I say silently scummy

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: star power why do I even try

idk

[JunkoChan]

[JunkoChan]

like Porkens made this huge big splash for what reason

what was it prompted by

it's such an unintuitive gambit if scum because like he was never in danger!! I know scum like to be nonsensical and shit and you shouldn't read scum by what they would "intellectually do"

but I have found generally town are likely to crack under little to no pressure way more often than scum who try extra hard to seem cool and unbothered

you are overstimating people

[JunkoChan]

or you are scum

[JunkoChan]

spoiler alert, porkens is going to shoot me

[JunkoChan]

and I mean "porkens" and "shoot"

[JunkoChan]

until now the shoot lists sounded too broad

[JunkoChan]

replacing Gamma Emerald

yay I cannot wait for another catch up story

[JunkoChan]

I'm okay with penguin list

[JunkoChan]

hello haven’t read anything yet. Anyone want to catch me up to speed?

day 1 was a joke lolhammer on nk15 by porkens

we had the wagon on me before that and a wagon(?) on penguin after that, then nk15 died

roden claimed cop investigated penguin came back town
gamma claimed drafting roleblocker
porkens claimed 1 shot vigilante (which is bs btw)

leash on porkens to shoot for n_m or yume

besides that there's not much

[JunkoChan]

A i claimed drafting jailkeeper

[JunkoChan]

spoiler alert, porkens is going to shoot me

So it’s basically impossible that I’m really big but I’m going to shoot you.

Yeah I might.

" "

[JunkoChan]

A i claimed drafting jailkeeper

? Does this mean you claimed jailkeeper?

drafted as in wanted but not obtained

[JunkoChan]

Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

1041

Can you explain why Johnny is so low on this list?

[JunkoChan]

ah, miss formated that, but just read 1041

[JunkoChan]

Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

actually, can you explain why OUT OF ALL OF THOSE NAMES you particularly picked jhonny?

Can you explain why Johnny is so low on this list?

[JunkoChan]

holy f I did it again

[JunkoChan]

I would also like to know why Yume is in green since she’s hasn’t really done much.

Eh Yume si not in green

[JunkoChan]

Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

actually, can you explain why OUT OF ALL OF THOSE NAMES you particularly picked jhonny?

Can you explain why Johnny is so low on this list?

Sure because I briefly skimmed some players and Johhny was one of them and nothing about his ISO particularily pinged me, so I wanted to know why you sr that slot.

So You are not Even slightly curious about jhonny's possible scumslip this day? Since You read his iso

[JunkoChan]

Yume is blue close to red wdym

[JunkoChan]

Read 1180 onward

[JunkoChan]

Multiquote on phone sucks, let me get Home, 20 or so minutes

[JunkoChan]

@Porkens Btw are you going to explain your list or??

[JunkoChan]

You opened today super bad. If it makes you feel any better you moved up a lil, maybe more if you ever reveal who you investigated

Scum slip?

Scum slip?

@1275

Junko, was it this?

yeah that

[JunkoChan]

Gamma/junko/yume/Johnny/Rodan
? Yeah s that was you are saying?

What list?

this

[JunkoChan]

UNVOTE:

I've changed my mind about Porkens.

Why?

[JunkoChan]

Junko, assume I’m town and rethink the game. If you are town, because I am and you will have to deal with that reality sooner or later.

I’m not so much making an excuse as recording the truth for posterity post game. Like I said in the post I know it doesn’t matter now.

I'm already not voting you, so this is like whatever, I hope IF you are town that you undertand you fucked up and would be limed 90% of the time in my book, but eh I'm catching up to the page meta (which I didn't knew much about anyway a few years ago)

[JunkoChan]

I feel so good about this junko/rodan/porkens townnlock I’m going to do a reads list

[JunkoChan]

It’s a work in progress but:

VigPig
PenguinPower
Junkochan
Rodan
Dann

—-

NM
Enchant

—-

green but like slimy green
Johnny
Freddy
New kitty

—-

Star/NSG

—-

PenguinPower
Dann
Kitty?
Yume?

I have... so many questions I wouldn't like to ask

why penguin as town and scum?
why dann as town and scum?
who is freddy?
why nm and enchant so high while yume is so low? they are basicly the same slot

And I thought my reads could come across as confusing, but damn

[JunkoChan]

oh well I read the answers to Dann but I'm still confused

[JunkoChan]

who the heck is freddy

[JunkoChan]

Why memes are not higher than town?

Why am I not a meme

[JunkoChan]

the draft phase is over.

the order of the draft is as follows:

the mafia have selected the

multitasking

modifier - this means a mafia player may use the factional nightkill and a role ability on the same night.

the role bidding phase begins now. for your convenience, i have also included the possible role choices below:

Spoiler:

night 3 vigilante	or	vengeful
1-shot vigilante	or	2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop	or	bulletproof
draft cop	or	1-shot watcher
doctor	or	roleblocker
universal backup	or	rolecop
neighborizer	or	voyeur
jailkeeper	or	tracker

please pm me

the specific role

you wish to be. you have about 48 hours to do so.

This is really interesting. What do you all make of five people picking number 1 here?

we decided to not te leaf read this