Open 867: PYP: SEFD - Day Three

[KittyTacky]

I equally hate everyone who is higher in PR list than me.

Cope. Seethe. Mald.

[KittyTacky]

Anyways, hello everyone, I played with most of this list before.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah let’s have a nice fun game and be cool to each other. Like I think enchants banter is hella scummy. But I like enchant and respect them as a player.

Enchant is always trollish. Like NM-lite. This sort of thing is NAI for them I think.

[KittyTacky]

Gamma Emerald is being weird but I'm not sure if that's scummy or just being NAI weird.

[KittyTacky]

by the way, i think trying to divine the tea leaves and read who's scum from the number picks is generally a fool's errand this early in the game. later on we can get into the WIFOM of whether or not scum picked the same number (to which the answer is typically no) but for now it's probably a waste of attention.

Yeah I feel like scum might very well have picked whatever would confuse town the most.

[KittyTacky]

by the way, i think trying to divine the tea leaves and read who's scum from the number picks is generally a fool's errand this early in the game. later on we can get into the WIFOM of whether or not scum picked the same number (to which the answer is typically no) but for now it's probably a waste of attention.

Yeah I feel like scum might very well have picked whatever would confuse town the most.

i mean i think this is exactly the kind of tea leaf divining attempt that i was talking about

No I'm agreeing with you.

[KittyTacky]

Gamma Emerald is being weird but I'm not sure if that's scummy or just being NAI weird.

Coukd You explain why You think he is being weird?

I played a bunch with GE as both alignments and he usually isn't this... I don't know what it is I see in his posts but it's weird.

[KittyTacky]

Gamma Emerald is being weird but I'm not sure if that's scummy or just being NAI weird.

Coukd You explain why You think he is being weird?

I played a bunch with GE as both alignments and he usually isn't this... I don't know what it is I see in his posts but it's weird.

So completly based on meta?

Yes.

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky if you think Gamma is being so weird why aren't you voting there

or voting anywhere for that matter

1. Because I'm not sure if it's scummy.
2. Good question, doing a reread RN to determine a good vote.

[KittyTacky]

do you think scrrrdbear is stupid town or scum?

SCRRRD is smart. He has a gimmick but he's a good player. Whether he's scum or town-- I can't tell.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah gamma is scummy.

Still not seeing it.

[KittyTacky]

i have a scum read on porkens

it is medium strong

Me too NGL, the Gamma case feels a little forced. Intent to vote once I finish my backread.

[KittyTacky]

The sudden back-off just feels wrong too.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Porkens

[KittyTacky]

Kitty talk to me about Porkens when you're done reading, I haven't quite landed on an opinion there

The case on Gamma gave me terrible vibes. Then they suddenly jumped off despite seeming pretty convinced.

[KittyTacky]

I was never on the gamma wagon.

I mean you were definitely at least talking like you might vote Gamma for a minute there

Yeah it really pinged me as scummy, seemingly committing to a case and then cooling off instantly.

[KittyTacky]

why does my page 5 scum read bother you so

"why me"

VOTE: Dann

Asking for a reason of a sus is different from a "why me".

[KittyTacky]

why does my page 5 scum read bother you so

"why me"

VOTE: Dann

Asking for a reason of a sus is different from a "why me".

what exactly is your read on me? or anyone not named Porkens for that matter

this reads like you want to show you don't agree with the vote but don't actually want to deter a wagon

I'm still forming concrete reads on most people. Gamma and Junko and Johnny town on a re-read. Roden kinda scummy. You're null.

I actually do want to deter this wagon because Roden's actions around you feel shitty and in bad faith, IDK where you got that.

[KittyTacky]

You're null.

I actually do want to deter this wagon because Roden's actions around you feel shitty and in bad faith, IDK where you got that.

mmm I feel it's weird to want to deter a wagon on me but also have me as null

Null = still more likely town than scum because there's more townies than scum.

[KittyTacky]

You're null.

I actually do want to deter this wagon because Roden's actions around you feel shitty and in bad faith, IDK where you got that.

mmm I feel it's weird to want to deter a wagon on me but also have me as null

Null = still more likely town than scum because there's more townies than scum.

No! Bad! null = scum because inevitably people *always* end up null reading scum

like without fail

i don't know why I'm trying to convince you to scum read me

What on God's green Earth is this post? OK you're scummy.
VOTE: Dannflor

[KittyTacky]

How do I know you aren't lying now.....

The number had to be between 0 and 14, it's in the rules

Oh shit the kid fucked up and sent a different version of the rules to scum VOTE: not_mafia

Guys it's Not_Mafia, he's a trollface as both alignments.

[KittyTacky]

The number had to be between 0 and 14, it's in the rules

Could you point out for me where it says that?

once alignments have been dealt out, each player must send a (whole, positive) number back to the mod, with the lowest unique number winning the draft.

Google: Positive numbers are greater than 0 and located to the right of 0 on a number line. Negative numbers are less than 0 and located to the left of 0 on a number line. The number zero is neither positive nor negative.

Idk man this is either a stupid scum slip or a stupid Town "play"

It's the latter, he likes saying things that make no sense, especially when it's not critical to the game to be serious.

[KittyTacky]

I stand by my reads.

[KittyTacky]

You're null.

I actually do want to deter this wagon because Roden's actions around you feel shitty and in bad faith, IDK where you got that.

mmm I feel it's weird to want to deter a wagon on me but also have me as null

Null = still more likely town than scum because there's more townies than scum.

No! Bad! null = scum because inevitably people *always* end up null reading scum

like without fail

i don't know why I'm trying to convince you to scum read me

What on God's green Earth is this post? OK you're scummy.
VOTE: Dannflor

can you explain what exactly you found scummy about this post

i can't tell if this hop on is too awkward to be scum

The "No! Bad!" just feels really fake and the claim immediately after is statistically wrong.

[KittyTacky]

I'm finding it a little hard to engage with this game.

Ask me anything. Reads, mech spec, anything. I want to engage with someone.

[KittyTacky]

I mean I was being a little facetious with the no bad

statistically once people have a list of town > scum then scum is usually more often found in the null reads, outside of players with exceptional read rates

Yeah but "always"? Also it's kinda early so half the game is null for me. And scum isn't half the game.

I'm finding it a little hard to engage with this game.

Ask me anything. Reads, mech spec, anything. I want to engage with someone.

your read on Johnny would be helpful

Mild town on gut.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: junko

I don't have time to catch or make a complete post

1.i'm not trying to Guess the entire scum teams
2. My actual reads are in 598
3. At least 2 scums are on My wagon, that's the info You Will get by flipping me
4. There is a jailkeeper or a doctor in this Game

Do with that as you please

Unbelievable that lurkers get a pass but I Say i have to be LA

This site's meta is a joke

IMO this is town, I somehow doubt scum would self-vote at E-2 and put themselves at risk of a lucky lolhammer.

[KittyTacky]

I'm finding it a little hard to engage with this game.

Ask me anything. Reads, mech spec, anything. I want to engage with someone.

AMA

Is cereal a soup?

Yes, it's food that has solid chunks in liquid.

[KittyTacky]

junko already claimed they missed out on doc/jk which I assume they mean doc/roleblocker

I actually wanted jk thought it was jk/doctor

It's jk/tracker

Whatever VOTE: junko

Gamma is making stuff up about me "trying to survive" changing My vote to him "all of a sudden" when i said waaay before this weird wagon on me that i was fine with killing him, porkens hop off is also weird

Like i said i'm fairly convinced this is a scum push

Town flail imo, I just don't see scum putting themselves in so much risk a second time.

[KittyTacky]

Junko constantly self-voting and deploying is AtE is uh not great. Feels more scum manipulative than town manipulative since I don't think the frustration seems natural from a townie perspective. I'm fine voting there unless people want to wait before we the end the day.

Elaborate.

[KittyTacky]

I still think Gamma is probably town.

[KittyTacky]

Post 85: Votes for SCRRRDBEAR due to "ruling them out is bogus"
Post 91: Bear lacks critical thinking
If Gamma'd think that Bear lacks critical thinking then where's that scumread coming from? Opportunism, from scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

BUS VOTE

Nah.

VOTE: PenguinPower
If you insist...

HOP OFF THE WAGON ONTO TOWNIE

I am pretty disconnected with this game right now. I can't get much. Sure, Junko is probably not town, and Gamma is probably not town, and NSG and Penguin might not be town...
but I don't feel

sure

.

SCUM BURN OUT

This makes sense. VOTE: NK15

[KittyTacky]

By all means, lim me, so I don't have to care about this game anymore.

Asking to die = scummy.

[KittyTacky]

Was re-reading the game. Pretty sure Porkens is scum, esp by the interactions with Gamma.
VOTE: Porkens

[KittyTacky]

Was re-reading the game. Pretty sure Porkens is scum, esp by the interactions with Gamma.
VOTE: Porkens

You too

147 and the string of posts onwards is just terrible. And the way you backed down makes it even scummier, if it was in a more natural way then I'd have let go but it gives me really terrible vibes.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty what happened to your scum read on me

I still think you're scummy for much the same reasons, I just want Porkens more.

[KittyTacky]

lol

What terrible play of town. Really extraordinarily bad reads.

Scummy reaction.

[KittyTacky]

FUCK THE HAMMER THE HAMMER IS NULL I HAVE ANSWERED ALL WUESTIONS THAT EVEN TEMOTELY MATTER IM DO E WITH THIS GOOD NIGHT

This doesn't at all read like town flailing imo. Overall the response to pressure by Porkens was atrocious and clearly forced so ima park my vote there.

[KittyTacky]

Also I'm not gonna vote Gamma today barring something wild

Johnny can you elaborate on this like you elaborated on your read of me that one time

The two things that jump to mind when thinking about Gamma's position in this game are

1) The way their wagon rose and fell yesterday feels natural to me

2) I don't think scum hears whoever say "yeah scum prolly tried for Bear's role and didn't get it" and goes YEAH I DID THAT out loud in the thread

And I agree with this, Gamma is nearly locktown for me.

[KittyTacky]

FUCK THE HAMMER THE HAMMER IS NULL I HAVE ANSWERED ALL WUESTIONS THAT EVEN TEMOTELY MATTER IM DO E WITH THIS GOOD NIGHT

This doesn't at all read like town flailing imo. Overall the response to pressure by Porkens was atrocious and clearly forced so ima park my vote there.

You just wrong and your read is bad. Learn from this.

Ok I’m done.

I’m a vigilante. If you decide to eliminate me, that’s fine. This town deserves to lose like no town I’ve seen before. I’d like to use my shot though so I will allow the town to leash me tonight if desired.

...sorry.
UNVOTE:

[KittyTacky]

porkens big overreaction to like 2 votes but I don't necessarily think that's Scummy

seems probably bad to claim vig as scum?

Yeah I'd think scum wouldn't be so brash. Especially with an autoconfirm role like vigi.

[KittyTacky]

I don't buy Porkens' claim. 10th place in the draft wouldn't be able to get a PR that's as coveted as a Vig shot.

VOTE: Porkens

porkens big overreaction to like 2 votes but I don't necessarily think that's Scummy

seems probably bad to claim vig as scum?

Yeah I'd think scum wouldn't be so brash. Especially with an autoconfirm role like vigi.

KITTY WAKE UP

VIGILANTE MEANS NOTHING

...oh yeah right scum vig is possible and likely, my Normalized brain got stuck. Especially since mafia took multitasking. So my reason for unvoting isn't relevant.
VOTE: Porkens

[KittyTacky]

I just had ScumVig conditioned out of me hahaha.

[KittyTacky]

I just had ScumVig conditioned out of me hahaha.

this is like the first post of Kitty's I kinda want to town read even though it's for Bad Reasons

What are those Bad Reasons?

[KittyTacky]

Cuz kitty is here to defend themselves?

And push Porkens. How is defending myself scummy when I'm not exclusively doing that?

[KittyTacky]

Like I don't think we should townread Porkens just because they claimed vig, scum could have very well picked vig since they took multitasking.

[KittyTacky]

I meant like if I push you, you can pop in and be like "what gives?"


Unlike NSG who's, y'know, gone.

Well now you have someone rather active in NSG's slot.

[KittyTacky]

Star seems pretty townie so far, I think NSG was just busy IRL.

[KittyTacky]

it just feels dead

granted this game has always felt dead so I probably shouldn't read into that

The opens I play tend to die slightly every time. IDK why.

[KittyTacky]

Even though this one is kind of like a normal with extra steps.

[KittyTacky]

like Porkens made this huge big splash for what reason

what was it prompted by

it's such an unintuitive gambit if scum because like he was never in danger!! I know scum like to be nonsensical and shit and you shouldn't read scum by what they would "intellectually do"

but I have found generally town are likely to crack under little to no pressure way more often than scum who try extra hard to seem cool and unbothered

I just think his bad case on Gamma and the gross reaction to being pushed outweigh the strange claim.

[KittyTacky]

kitten around replaces Gamma Emerald

Welcome fellow cat.

[KittyTacky]

spoiler alert, porkens is going to shoot me

So it’s basically impossible that I’m really big but I’m going to shoot you.

Yeah I might.

You're a really big liar, yes.

[KittyTacky]

like Porkens made this huge big splash for what reason

what was it prompted by

it's such an unintuitive gambit if scum because like he was never in danger!! I know scum like to be nonsensical and shit and you shouldn't read scum by what they would "intellectually do"

but I have found generally town are likely to crack under little to no pressure way more often than scum who try extra hard to seem cool and unbothered

I just think his bad case on Gamma and the gross reaction to being pushed outweigh the strange claim.

Like maybe I'm just tunneled. But Porkens seems off-the-charts scummy.

[KittyTacky]

Thanks for your help. Yume, since my predecessor is currently voting you and nothing in your ISO stood out to me as particularly townie, can you give me some reads?

Well, sure. *clears throat* In a land far, far away, a farm boy fell in love with a goldfish that lived in the pond next to his house. This goldfish had a secret of her own, however. At night, she could turn into a human, but at noon, she would turn back into a goldfish. So the two spent the time they could spend together in each other's company. But then a sorceress came and told them she would lift the curse, but in exchange, they would have to give their third-born to her. Well, they fulfilled their end of the bargain, and she promptly cooked and ate the child while they watched.

Are we sure that somehow jester isn't a possible role in this setup?

This is in my limpool now, jokes aside.

Star seems pretty townie so far

How so?

Getting a solvy vibe from their posts.

[KittyTacky]

This is in my limpool now, jokes aside.

what is your limpool

Porkens and Yume I'm certain have at least 1 scum between them and possibly both are scum.

[KittyTacky]

I didn’t know my vote was a hammer for the record. Not that I made any effort to make sure it wasn’t or check before hand. Not that this matters.

This feels like a bad excuse.

[KittyTacky]

Thanks for your help. Yume, since my predecessor is currently voting you and nothing in your ISO stood out to me as particularly townie, can you give me some reads?

Well, sure. *clears throat* In a land far, far away, a farm boy fell in love with a goldfish that lived in the pond next to his house. This goldfish had a secret of her own, however. At night, she could turn into a human, but at noon, she would turn back into a goldfish. So the two spent the time they could spend together in each other's company. But then a sorceress came and told them she would lift the curse, but in exchange, they would have to give their third-born to her. Well, they fulfilled their end of the bargain, and she promptly cooked and ate the child while they watched.

Are we sure that somehow jester isn't a possible role in this setup?

This is in my limpool now, jokes aside.

Star seems pretty townie so far

How so?

Getting a solvy vibe from their posts.

I guess we’ll keep doing this…

Can you point to what gave you a “solvy vibe” from what they have posted?

Actually,

Dannflor

can go ahead and be a full townread, complete with a bold tag! I believe the stretch of posts 141-145 demonstrates that Dann is clearly showing, as it turns out, an underlying town thought process. (It's clear that that's something Dann himself valued in making reads, and it's also how NSG seemed to be developing her own early reads. How meta!) There's clear depth to Dann's reads on all of NK15/Porkens/NSG. I believe there's a person behind the Dann account who believes the thoughts he is posting about these slots.

First townread of the game:

JunkoChan!

I think their misunderstanding of the setup looks rather genuine and not the way that scum would try to fake a slip like that. People like to WIFOM their way out of that logic sometimes, but scum rarely actually try something like that early because it's just not that effective as a way to get townread, on average. I believe there's credit to the fact that both SCRRRDBEAR and northsidegal held an early townread there as well! So I feel good about having JunkoChan as town from the start.

[KittyTacky]

This analysis has a really townie vibe.

[KittyTacky]

Also OMGUS much?

How is that an OMGUS? Just voting the person who voted you isn't OMGUS if you have a reason beyond "they voted me".

[KittyTacky]

I've cooled on StarPower a bit on a reread of this day but Porkens is still FAR scummier.

[KittyTacky]

Porkens

, agree to shoot yume

Everyone else

, vote star or tell me why you won't

Star seemed very solvy from their posts. I think people have lingering feelings from NSG's slot but are we sure that NSG wasn't just busy or lost interest in the game?

[KittyTacky]

Just not feeling it like at all, yeet Porkens.

[KittyTacky]

Well I just couldn't really see what was scummy about Star. Sorry.