Mini 2284: The Thing Anonymous [Day 2]

[Nauls~]

Helloooo everyone!

Technically have read every post but I've done so fast, so not everything has quite sunk in. I'll reread properly at a better time.

Haven't seen the movie either, sadly!

i dont think "TBH" is enough of a reason to satisfy me yet, seems nai... but nice try!

VOTE: windows

This post is pretty scummy... like "let me clearly describe my thought process around what you've said because I'm such a townie town " the "nice try" rubs me the wrong way
It's kind of a meh response to the TBH thing in general, to just go "heehee, it's NAI!". Feels less like Norris naturally found it to be NAI and more like Norris just not being attracted to the thought of jumping on that wagon.
Hard to put into exact words but this feels very performative. Plus I don't like the vote on Windows, their entrance was the best in my opinion.

VOTE: Norris

[Nauls~]

Palmer, Windows literally said "catching a thing everyday and nobody can stop us" which is true for any game? Is that not literally just "explaining" (maybe stateing is a better word for you if you want to be a nitpicky demonspawn) the obvious?

I mean, yes, it's "stating the obvious", but the whole post itself is obviously trying to shoehorn in as many "Thing" puns as possible. I think that gives it much more context (and vibes more towny) than if you take his post literally.

I think you are reading too much into it

In what way is Palmer “reading too much into it” any more than Norris? My literal first thought on Norris’ initial post on Windows is that they were reading too much into Windows’ intro, which was clearly made in a joking tone.

[Nauls~]

Ah, we're getting serious?

I like Lars' and MacReady's intros, probably for bad reasons. And I think Copper's is slightly more likely to come from a Thing.

Yeah, I thought that post would help transition out of RVS a bit.

Clark's 17 felt a bit off to me, but other than what I've already mentioned, I didn't get anything out of the posts prior to mine

I like Palmer

VOTE: clark

Yeah I'm willing to just accept MacReady at this point. These posts look very genuine and smooth and authentic and good and real and townie and perfect and non-thinglike (thingy, thinglike? what's the proper term...)

[Nauls~]

*MacReady being town

[Nauls~]

I like 105 from Nauls because it calls out something that I saw as well, and the explanation is close to my own thought process that I didn't go into detail on.

Oh, I hadn't even noticed you commented on that post nice!

Spoiler: Assortment of posts

Assuming that that took some time Lars and I probably came to the same conclusion at the same time. Town for the day.

FMPOV that feels like an arbitrary choice. Please explain?

what do you want me to explain?

The link between Clark town -> Garry mafia? I thought that would be apparent, sorry.
Is it just that everyone else engaging with that wagon is town or is there something else?

I don't think I've said anything about Clark town -> Garry Mafia

I said if Clark is Mafia then Garry is probably Town

And this is the part where I sigh. So you did and I have an inability to read things in the proper order.

MacReady can be town today.

This is all a townie being town, natural thoughts processes.

Man this anon thing is great

MacReady with another post that looks good.

Eh not sure I love Childs' vote either, but like the serious wagon

I do think Gary is somewhat townie

aaaand MacReady had the same thought, okay MacReady and Garry are town, nice!

I'm still conflicted on Clark, there are definitely odd things with his posting, but I also get the same general vibes I've gotten from awkward townies before. I'll probably need to look deeper into it. Not really leaning strongly any way there atm.

[Nauls~]

I think Clark & Childs could both be scum and Childs might actually have more scum equity atp - would not be opposed to moving votes there instead.

I like MacReady's 69 think this slot is currently town.

Don't really agree with the Clark/Childs idea but I do think it looks quite organic. I don't think scum put out these sorts of theories, at least not on page 3.

I think Clark & Childs could both be scum and Childs might actually have more scum equity atp - would not be opposed to moving votes there instead.

I like MacReady's 69 think this slot is currently town.

Oh ya i would just bus my partner on page 2

Haha 69.

This post kind of sucks, tbh. Very dismissive response to the first sight of anyone finding them suspicious. Could see it from Childs regardless of Clark's alignment, though I seriously doubt Blair/Childs as a team after this interaction.

[Nauls~]

I did not like Clark's 53 and 58

More so then anything else that has happened in this game, but not really ready to move any wagon to E-1.

So, he is in my scum pile but not actually going to vote there atm.

... this feels scummy-townish behavior.

Agreed.

VOTE: Fuchs

Oh you meant the opposite?

@Norris

It reads like someone simulating town behavior with the "not really ready to move any wagon to E-1" thing. Commenting for the sake of commenting.

I kind of agree with that idea (Fuchs' post doesn't seem great), but the way it's been voiced through these 2 posts feels... iffy. Doesn't help the initial vote was done to pile onto Garry's idea, which even if it were calling Fuchs scummy, wouldn't be great basis for a push? Like Garry didn't give reasoning, the simple "Agreed." with a vote doesn't feel warranted as a response to it.

[Nauls~]

I think it is fundamentally scummy to do but I have to question the intents of posting something that... hollow as scum. Unless they were unaware that it would come across as such. It’s one of those too scummy to be scum deals.

Garry keeps being town. Nice!

Too scummy to be scum is a possibility, yeah, but that reads more like virtue signaling to me.

Yeah, I don't like this response much more than Bennings' previous posts.

Nauls its a bit of both, I wont deny i just didnt want to wagon it, but thats usual. I don't wagon for no reason.
I know its nai because i use tbh alot too, so i believe its a dumb reason to get voted for.

I

almost

like this post at a first glance, but actually nope.
The fact that the response is just "I don't wagon for no reason" and "I also use tbh, so it's dumb" kind of feels shallow? But maybe I'm expecting too much.

Issue is just that the first thought "not wagoning for no reason" is more of a "hey, this is the way I play the game" sort of argument which scum naturally come up with when engaging in behaviours they view as NAI for themselves. It's a justification that feels less grounded in this game and the circumstances of the initial post and more like a self-meta comment.
This also doesn't quite make sense, because to take a stronger stance on Copper's alignment doesn't inherently mean you have to jump on a wagon on them, but that may have been my fault for wording it poorly in my initial post.

and the second thought "I also use tbh, so it's dumb" doesn't look much better. I do think Norris is being genuine here, they probably do think the "tbh" argument was dumb, but this once again feels like a more fundamental take on the game that Norris would have regardless of alignment. So for Norris' 2 justifications for their post being logic that mafia could have just as easily as town... not a big fan. I feel like some sort of townie reasoning would shine through but none is there.

[Nauls~]

I did not like Clark's 53 and 58

More so then anything else that has happened in this game, but not really ready to move any wagon to E-1.

So, he is in my scum pile but not actually going to vote there atm.

Who else is in your scum pile/what is the anything else that you disliked?

So far I have exactly 2 reads. Blair town and Clark lean scum.

Before I made that post, my vote was parked on my RVS vote because I did not have a serious place to put it. But now I did have a serious place to put it, but I did not want to put it there

Also, wanted to point out that his response to getting votes was worse then anything that anyone had actually voted him for prior to that imo.

Eh... I don't really like this post. Having "only 2 reads" is a very restrictive way to view the game for a townie, who would be organically forming thoughts on the other players. Especially don't like this when both of these reads have been explicitly stated by Fuchs earlier and seem to have not changed whatsoever since.

[Nauls~]

Did not really like this post

I don't currently think Clark is a Thing. I can understand the feeling of annoyance that people took his post the wrong way. Though I don't have anything against a wagon there, as I don't think any of my ideas are going to be >rand right now, and info is info.

Nauls gives me town vibes. Gut tells me that a Thing, if they were planning an entrance to the thread with content, wouldn't have chosen a single post from page 2 to form all their content on.

Garry also feels slightly towny. Explanation purposefully omitted for now.

@Copper, give me your strongest Human and Thing read?

You think clark is town, but you are okay with a wagon there because "info is info" does not feel like a genuine thought.

Saying that someone is town because on page 5, the most interesting thing they saw while reading was on Page 2 also does not feel like a real take either.


So after reading it, I opened your iso. So far you have claimed to have had alignment thoughts on Lars, MacReady, Copper, Windows, Clark, Nauls and Garry. Largely light comments, but all voiced, which made it look more like you are just going through the motions of calling things town or scum, vs have real thoughts on these players.

Disagree.
Lightly commenting on what sticks out without forming many concise reads is actually pretty townie in my opinion? Or at least it's how I play a lot of the time. Early on it's worth it to just comment on various stuff to see the game progress. There's no real need to have clear reads formed until an actual decision on the elimination needs to be made, which we've not gotten anywhere near yet.
"info is info" actually perfectly checks out with what seems to be Palmer's top priority, moving the game forwards. Palmer lead the charge on a push early on which moved things forward, they commented on plenty of things to bring them to light, it's all a very productivity oriented mindset. The lack of care for the direction of the Clark wagon once again makes sense with all of this in consideration. I have to admit I was feeling kind of meh about Palmer's push on the "tbh" thing early on, but everything they seem to do lines up with it.
Maybe you're scum or maybe you just have a different outlook than them on the game, if it's the latter then I urge you to reconsider.
Also doesn't help that you would discredit a townread on me (a townie!!!) in the same post, but it's not my biggest gripe with it.

[Nauls~]

Odds of Fuchs/Norris scum and that one part of 116 made about my intro was some sort of chainsaw defense? Or maybe the "where to vote thing" is too genuine to come from that team. Both of them looks iffy to me regardless.

[Nauls~]

Hmm. 142 and 146 look better, but don't really do much to get rid of those bad feelings from earlier posts.

[Nauls~]

123, 159, 160, 161
Palmer's town! Veeeeeeery genuine and natural

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Head spinning incessantly, Angel looked stoic, resolute, betrayed by each falling tear. Crying again, gaze laboriously unwavering, thoughts repressed. Crying because of suffering twice forgotten over time, suffering always that dies and decays and yet always still above consciousness, suffering from the time given reluctantly to rich terrible men from the towers, suffering pretending to be immortal wisdom. The last Angel in the world, dying alone, looked up, took flight, careening towards oblivion, only to find himself tainted with blood.

If Lars is a Thing we've already lost

Good vibes here also.

Properly caught up now! Sorry if I flooded the game a bit, I like getting all my thoughts out.

[Nauls~]

I don’t like Windows’ posts since their intro, but I’m not really sure if it’s because I think they’re wrong on everything or if they’re actually scummy.

[Nauls~]

165 and 166 from Nauls also seem like projection - he calls 116
a possible chainsaw defence but isn't that what 165 could be - a defence of Palmer by attacking the person criticising Palmer?

This is nonsensical to me. I disagreed with an argument someone made calling someone else scum, therefore it’s odd for me to theorize on a potential chainsaw defense??
and this is all implying that I’m scrutinizing my own posts for possible negative interpretations of them, which I happen not to be doing because yknow, I’m a townie.
I’m seriously confused as to how this is an actual point being made.

[Nauls~]

In 155 Nauls calls out 74 as defensive, but from earlier discussion I would assume Nauls has noted that a charge of defensiveness in isolation isn't seen as a strong point. So at a stretch I think this could be a spot of distancing from Nauls if Childs is scum.

This post from Nauls feels possibly deliberately fencesitting on Clark.

The word I used is dismissive, not defensive. I also don’t really get this argument in general? Could you explain why you don’t like me calling out Childs there?

Pre-replacement Clark I haven’t been that compelled by. I think the original argument against them is fine and does raise suspicions, but their general tone has read more like awkward townie than like scum. I’m fencesitting because I want something more compelling from Clark, at the moment I don’t feel too strongly. I pretty notably haven’t really said anything about Copper either for the record, who hasn’t pinged me one way or the other

[Nauls~]

I do agree with that. I think if Norris is town then that vote looks pretty bad. I'm giving it a pass for now because I don't think Norris is town.

This post… yikes. To me it just looks like scum going “yes, you’re so right townie! Here’s why I’m not actually interested in engaging with your idea, though”. It reads weirdly defensive despite Lars not actually having anything to be defensive of.

Honestly I’m not the biggest fan of the votes that have piled onto Norris, but Norris also hasn’t given me any reason to feel any better about them than before.
I don’t think trying to tonally read someone who’s “trolling” is very productive or reliable, so the fact that this is what’s being clung onto is pretty meh. There’s better things to look at (109, hell even 30) are much better to look at than Norris going “heehee I’m trolling”, especially since that sort of behaviour tends to be more player dependant than actually AI.

[Nauls~]

Page 4 I want to town Child but I'm not there yet. Frank is still town. 96/99 could have been bennings looking for an excuse to vote, has me scum swayed on the slot.

Also could we please not use nicknames? It’s already hard enough to know who’s who.
Windows and Macready’s pfps in particular keep confusing me

[Nauls~]

165 and 166 from Nauls also seem like projection - he calls 116
a possible chainsaw defence but isn't that what 165 could be - a defence of Palmer by attacking the person criticising Palmer?

This is nonsensical to me. I disagreed with an argument someone made calling someone else scum, therefore it’s odd for me to theorize on a potential chainsaw defense??
and this is all implying that I’m scrutinizing my own posts for possible negative interpretations of them, which I happen not to be doing because yknow, I’m a townie.
I’m seriously confused as to how this is an actual point being made.

by the way what is a chainsaw defense? honest question

A chainsaw defence is a way for scum to indirectly defend their partner.
Let’s say player A and player B are scum and player C accuses player A of being scum, player B could step in and discredit/throw out a scumread on player C to make their partner safer.

In other words: “ a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker”

[Nauls~]

VOTE: Norris

I can see "Norris" dying and replacing someone in the roster as his strategy for this behavior, I didn't vote him right after that act because wey had'nt heard from Clark

why didnt i just... try harder to appear town so I wouldnt have to changeling?

because you are too bad to do that. prove me wrong

I can see "Norris" dying and replacing someone in the roster as his strategy for this behavior, I didn't vote him right after that act because wey had'nt heard from Clark

On the flip side if he's town he's a pretty easy target for scum to assimilate. Alternate between snarky posts and copying other people's posts and no one would know the difference.

Don't forget the LaLaLa posts

I mean if trolling is a free pass to being townread as some people seem to be implying why don't we all just troll and random lim people everday?

This annoyed tone carried all the way through and the justification for the vote look very good for Childs. Don’t really think scum can fake these posts

[Nauls~]

Oh exactly what Nauls said while I was trying to get that formatted on mobile .

Nice mindmeld

[Nauls~]

I don’t really find Copper’s change of position on Norris scummy at all and it being nitpicked at is pretty meh.

At this point, after skimming some ISOs, I’m like:

MacReady, Palmer

Garry, Blair

Copper, Childs, Lars,

Clark, Bennings

Norris, Fuchs, Windows

Things I’ve noticed: 82 looks like it comes from a POV of someone solving the game if that makes any sense? I like that one.
I kind of wanted to put Windows a tier higher off of tone and sense of solveyness, but the actual content of posts like 242 is too bad to ignore.
Lars’ 258 does soothe me a bit, and the rest of their content is pretty good.
Looking at 280, the Copper wagon composition looks bad enough that it makes Copper look better.
On the flip side, the Clark wagon composition is good enough to make Clark look worse.
On a reread, Copper hasn’t done anything outrageously scummy or towny but overall looks relatively solvey. I like the paragraph in 186, though! 328 is also good.
I still think Bennings’ 96 and 99 are iffy. However, stuff like 95, 190 and 191 (especially the second paragraph) look pretty solvey and well-intentioned. Actually 195 and 198 too. Overall still feel generally meh about Bennings, though.
Kind of like Clark’s 58 and 60, tbh. The annoyance seems to come more from a town POV than a scum one. 239 looks decent I’d say? Don’t like 295 though, it feels fabricated. Also the way the Clark wagon has gradually died down feels off, like scum purposely stopped paying attention to it. Maybe it has something to do with a shift out of the early game wagons, but I feel like Copper’s still being seriously discussed in spite of that. Maybe it’s cause Clark got replaced, but I also don’t see much from Clark 2.0 that looks very town indicative.

[Nauls~]

Clark is on E-2. Do not vote vote him.

With scum being able to jump accounts, putting someone on E-1 means scum could safely hammer and then jump away.

Also the fact the moment where the current wagons get questioned and momentum towards a Windows wagon actually starts to form, 2 players randomly show up to reawaken the Clark wagon, which they’ve been quiet on for a while. Veeeery iffy on that.

VOTE: Windows

Fuchs in particular looks bad.
Windows only mentioned Fuchs once ever and it wasn’t even when talking about their alignment. Fuchs has been quiet on Windows’ alignment and suddenly decided they liked a single post from Windows, then following that up with the vote on Clark saying they think all other wagons are on town.
May I remind you that Fuchs very briefly calling a single one of Windows’ post townie is his entire stance there.
Doesn’t help that every Fuchs post since 83 has varied from meh to bad and the Palmer push still looks terrible.

Pedit: 400 kind of looks more like scum defending a townie than scum/scum actually, which is interesting. Though it could just be Fuchs trying to justify a read that has no actual justification because he just made it up, regardless of Windows’ alignment.
Ppedit: 401 disagree. Scum can find things they assume to be gotchas and cling onto them, it’s not a purely town thing.
Pppedit: Timing!

[Nauls~]

*do not vote them

[Nauls~]

Windows stonks go down because really that was just grasping at straws.

And like, as the person that he is suspecting, I get that the natural reaction to what feels like a bad push on you is this, there is just the question of why would he even need to be grasping at straws as scum to push you here.

At the time there was no wagon higher then 4 votes, and there were 3 total wagons with 3-4 votes.

With 3 different medium sized wagons, and 0 near-critical wagons, it is hard to imagine that scum!Windows was in a position where he was so desperate to get you miseliminated that he felt the need to be "grasping at straws." Just makes a lot more sense to me that it is a townie who is genuinely thinks that you are scum.

If scum sees what they think is a contradiction or a potential gotcha on a townie, they won’t think “ehhh actually there’s no urgency so I just won’t call this out”, they’ll still call it out. The current gamestate is pretty meaningless, scum will almost always call out something that will push their agenda.
Also I’m pretty sure Fuchs just straight up knows that Copper is a townie here

[Nauls~]

116 and 146 still sit at the back of my mind, really don’t like those.

To anyone townreading Fuchs: why?

The only thing I see in their favour is that they use a lot of words, which good for them, but it’s meaningless when the actual substance of those words is so questionable.

[Nauls~]

Hmm, okay. My disagreement with them on most things may be clouding my judgment to some extent, but idk, they just feel so incredibly off to me.

[Nauls~]

Going from this stance on Clark :

MacReady, Palmer

Garry, Blair

Copper, Childs, Lars,

Clark, Bennings

Norris, Fuchs, Windows

{snip}

On the flip side, the Clark wagon composition is good enough to make Clark look worse.

(snip}

Kind of like Clark’s 58 and 60, tbh. The annoyance seems to come more from a town POV than a scum one. 239 looks decent I’d say? Don’t like 295 though, it feels fabricated. Also the way the Clark wagon has gradually died down feels off, like scum purposely stopped paying attention to it. Maybe it has something to do with a shift out of the early game wagons, but I feel like Copper’s still being seriously discussed in spite of that. Maybe it’s cause Clark got replaced, but I also don’t see much from Clark 2.0 that looks very town indicative.

To *big text* *all caps* "sweet jesus save this man" based on me voting him is WILD

“Clark is suspicious” and “We shouldn’t put people on E-1 because this setup is particularly conducive to scum sniping a hammer” aren’t contradictory ideas

[Nauls~]

Like it was pretty clear in my post, the reason I don’t want Clark voted isn’t because of you, it’s because we could get fucked over pretty hard, especially considering the game’s most important mechanic.

[Nauls~]

And like... yes?

I did not have a read on Windows, then I read a post that made me think he was likely to be town, and then explained why when asked.

But you said that like it was an accusation lol

I say it like it’s an accusation because I would expect your read on someone who’s posted substantial amounts of content to be based off of more than a single post of theirs. I don’t really see how you can form a read on Windows off of that singular post when there’s plenty more.

[Nauls~]

it is hard to tell if you are just calling every single thing that I do suspicious or if you and I just view the game incredibly differently.

Think it’s the latter at this point, I’ll reflect on your alignment later because atm I don’t think I have a good grasp on your gameplay regardless of what it is. I have things I want to pick at in your replies to me but ultimately I don’t think they’d actually progress the game or be particularly enjoyable for either of us, so I’ll just move on.

[Nauls~]

I do like 420 and 421 a bit, honestly. 416 kind of bothers me, though. It feels like it very well could’ve been made from a scum POV, with the focus being on how difficult it would be for scum to do, rather than the fear of scum doing it. and Windows specifically seeing this as town indicative for Blair could be them noticing the contrast between their own (scum) perspective with a townie’s perspective. But I think I may be confbiasing on this one.

[Nauls~]

Like subtract out my reaction to his push.

The reaction to it was that it convinced zero people that copper was more likely to be scum, convinced zero people that windows was more likely to be town (again subtracting me) and convinced 5 players to lower their read on him (Copper, Palmer, Clark, Nauls, MacReady). Ah yes, the tell tell calculated scum move.

So the repeated people chiming in with "but why couldn't scum him fake this," that is simply not how I am looking at the situation, and I am asking my self "why would scum him to this to himself." And I don't think that he would. That is what I was trying to say when I was talking about the game state. There was nothing about the situation, forcing him to make such a bad move.

You can’t look at the outcome of the situation and determine that because it was ineffective, that scum!Windows wouldn’t do it. No player has that foresight and Windows could’ve very well made that push thinking it would gain some sort of momentum (or at least make him look like he’s solving) and it just… not working.
I’ve thrown out plenty of ideas in scum games that I thought would be good but that ended up making me look worse.
You kind of address this later in your post but still, your entire idea of Windows being town hinges on him not just making a bad post as scum, which is pretty flimsy. If we bring that logic to its natural conclusion, anyone making poor arguments, points that don’t gain momentum or that make themselves look bad are town. You could apply this to any post that people don’t like. “But scum wouldn’t make a post people don’t like!”
“Scum!Windows wouldn’t make such a bad post” is an odd point to make.

[Nauls~]

I guess it's maybe not a good idea to give too many preflip reads since scum can use those to see if they need to assimilate. I'm somewhat working under the assumption that I'll be able to notice any assimilation, but I might be overestimating my abilities on that front.

I think there’s merit in ideas like these, but I feel like a large majority of the time where town decides not to voice certain reflections on the game in fear mafia takes advantage of them, it ends up not being beneficial. I think having clear dialogue with each other is more important than the potential of putting a slight damper on the scum team’s potential assimilation.

Though to be fair, preflip associatives aren’t really necessary to determine a day 1 elim, so maybe you’re right and we could pass up on those.

[Nauls~]

Yeah, at this point a claim would be nice

[Nauls~]

My mechanical thoughts on the claim:

Even if we ignore the fact that testing Clark's PR would require outing a different PR, we cannot exactly test her claim anyway.

If she's scum, she just jumps out of the Clark account.
Even if the test confirms her as town, we still don't know whether the slot will actually

stay

town, because assimilation is possible.

So I think the claim should be ignored altogether for now. And as I said before, I don't exactly love what they're currently doing dayplay wise.

Thought basically the same
Jailkeeper is hard to confirm + assimilation makes fakeclaims for scum a lot more appealing and easy to get away with

[Nauls~]

Oooooooh, nice!

[Nauls~]

Breaking the setup sounds fun

[Nauls~]

agreed with lars who agrees with blair

[Nauls~]

I'm not particularly interested in altering the way I post for the sake of making assimilation harder. It's time and effort I'd rather spend elsewhere, and I don't find the idea of making the game's most interesting mechanic unfeasible to be a fun way to play. It might give us a slight edge but I'm not interested in it. Not gonna look at hours people are online either for similar reasons. Ultimately I respect the setup and the mafia members enough that I want us to be able to play the game properly.
I will do my best to pick apart the way people write for the sake of finding assimilation, though, because that actually seems to be in spirit with the game.

[Nauls~]

(Clark uses they/she)

[Nauls~]

I'm not particularly interested in altering the way I post for the sake of making assimilation harder. It's time and effort I'd rather spend elsewhere, and I don't find the idea of making the game's most interesting mechanic unfeasible to be a fun way to play. It might give us a slight edge but I'm not interested in it. Not gonna look at hours people are online either for similar reasons. Ultimately I respect the setup and the mafia members enough that I want us to be able to play the game properly.
I will do my best to pick apart the way people write for the sake of finding assimilation, though, because that actually seems to be in spirit with the game.

Mechanics are meant to be used. If we shut down the scum's ability to use the mechnic, we invented our own mechanics which effectively generates a lead from nothing.

This is a game. Have fun, and keep the game fun for other people. This might be the most important rule.

I'm don't want to play the game in a way that makes it significantly less fun for 3 other players. I don't care if it's optimal, it's a way to play that prevents the setup from flourishing and that makes it less fun for a team. (This is in reference to looking at posting times and purposely making my own posting harder to replicate, not your vigi/jk plan since that seems mildly +town at best and not gamebreaking)

[Nauls~]

If we lim Clark, Clark flips jk, then Childs gets nked or assimilated and is vigi... what do we do?

I don't particularly believe Clark's claim but I'm kind of scared of that scenario where we enter day 2 down 8v3 down 2 prs.

But I guess holding back from a good lim because of a JK claim from someone about to be hammered is giving scum a free pass to fakeclaim as they wish. So maybe we just lim Clark and cross our fingers.

[Nauls~]

Technically roles don't flip, but if Clark flips town we can assume. And I'm not worried about Childs getting shot at night hurting town that much.

Oh, I thought roles flipped during the day but you're right, only alignment should reveal.
I guess novice vigi is iffy for town anyways considering the setup, that's fair.

[Nauls~]

I kind of want to hammer, it sounds very satisfying to do…

Sorry for not engaging the most with the game lately, honestly mech stuff is mostly boring to me so I kind of mentally checked out when it came up.

[Nauls~]

INTENT TO HAMMER

Don't really have anything else to say before night, I'll hammer soon if no one's opposed

[Nauls~]

VOTE: Clark

Here you go

[Nauls~]

^ you’re 3 hours late

[Nauls~]

[Nauls~]

You’ve already argued your vig shot is negative utility and you’re novice, in what world are you a guaranteed kill? Confused.

[Nauls~]

I’m still just perplexed as to how claiming JK clears Clark in your eyes, that’s carrying so much weight in your entire perspective

[Nauls~]

I’m still just perplexed as to how claiming JK clears Clark in your eyes, that’s carrying so much weight in your entire perspective

Because of knowing my role and what is needed to make the game balanced and less swingy, jailkeeper was guaranteed to be a real role.

I aspire to one day be as self-assured as you are.

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Okay yeah Fuchs is just town

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Niceeee

Actually now that you mention it, vigi is relatively good since it means we can successfully resolve a 50/50 without things being able to assimilate

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I feel like scum!Childs assimilates last night, seems in line with Childs' confidence + the claim they were getting killed.

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I feel like scum!Childs assimilates last night, seems in line with Childs' confidence + the claim they were getting killed.

Wouldnt Childs be the body we see today in that case?

Yeah, I'm saying a Lars flip makes scum!Childs less likely

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I was also town reading Lars. He did not seem like a slot that would need to slot abandon, and if he was scum could have just... stayed Lars.

One thought I had was that scum-Lars could've been a better-looking scum slot of the two remaining. But considering Windows is one of them... doesn't feel likely.

Maybe “ability to convincingly look like someone else” is a bigger criteria than “escaping a bad slot” for the scum team?
Like Lars is heroically saving the scum team by assimilating into a better swap, because Windows doesn’t think they can do it.

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I don't trust palmer tbh

For Palmer to be scum, Childs would have to be currently scum too, right? Otherwise a 50/50 is a nonsensical play for them to make, a vigi shot ruins it.

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Nerf mailman...

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Based off of what?

Based off the fact that they have been consistently putting out posts that exactly match the tone I'd expect them to have, and they've also been doing it real-time and with content that obviously isn't pre-prepared?

To be fair, it doesn't take much for someone to fake what they feel to be me.

It's just that if they weren't actually me, they wouldn't be able to pull off the all of me that I am. There's only one me, and only I can do me properly. Because it's me, natch.

This is the best thing I’ve read in ages

Also I’ve been townreading Palmer and scumreading Windows since day 1 so my position there’s pretty clear

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I did also notice the exact same thing when catching up fwiw, but I think Childs is being Childs enough that it doesn’t really matter