Micro 1065 Coalition Game Over!

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FIRST

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HEAL: Una, Menalque, unwnd, Greetings, Vanderscamp

HEAL: Vanderscamp, Una

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HEAL: Una, Menalque, unwnd, Greetings, Vanderscamp

HEAL: Vanderscamp, Una, JunkoChan

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Get back here wolf

I feel like Ydrasse would not say this as one of the mafia because they will be having a longer conversation then.

Seems dubious

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You checked the game twice in four hours! Are you excited to play?

Kind of, yeah!

HURT: all
HEAL: Dannflor, Una, unwnd

I think Una is town because of the way she is approaching my slot. I think her reasons for townreading me are not great,

but

I think they come from town because a) they show an early wish to solve and encourage me to play and interact, b) she seems unafraid of me thinking she's pocketing me for having a townread on me for weak things.

There's not much to Dannflor yet, but I liked him calling out Junko in 32 as I also found their posting to be nervous.

unwnd is more of a gut feeling, but I think they come off better in the argument with Junko on page 4, and I also liked 76, as that's something I also thought at the time.

I'm suspicious of Junko because I feel like their deflections are weird and, for as many posts that they have, I don't get the honest vibe of solving the game from any of them.

Slightly suspicious of Greeting because the first line in 66 reads LAMIST.

Everyone else did not leave an impression on me yet.

HEAL: Lucian
This seems good enough

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Vanderscamp are you mafia?

No, good question though!

I haven't gotten too much out of this so far and I don't really feel like forcing anything, I understand that's pretty unproductive given the roleset but we've still got time on the day.

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but I was being serious about not wanting either of dann or ydra in unless they obvtown

There are 15,120 possible coalitions but only 2,520 can win the game, this is a 17% chance to immediately win.

You are excluding 2 players from possible coalitions. That means you are only considering 2,520 coalitions, 17% of the ones that are allowed. (2,520 has appeared again because the number of Ydrasse and Dannflor is the same number of people as the Mafia). The probability of winning is the same but 5/6ths of the winning coalitions, on average, aren't in play so it will be much harder to subjectively sniff and smell a winning coalition.

It's mostly just easier or harder based on what role the characters being excluded are, the probability of winning is on average the same but is much swingier.

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HEAL: Vanderscamp, unwnd, Una, Dannflor, JunkoChan

I think Lucian/Junko aren't aligned and Lucian has been my #1 scumread for a while now therefore I'm split between them

Do you think they could be town together?

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Every post on this page is wolfy to me.
Except the JunkoChan posts are null.

This is probably more aggressive than I would expect from scum

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I read both junko and Lucian as town but for diff reasons, unwnd too I guess but I feel less good about that

Can I get a why on these?

greeting and lucian seem like mafia

Why the second one?

not putting yourself in your coalition when you are Trying to Town is suspicious

...This is going to be embarrassing, but while I was typing that post, I forgot that I can include myself in my coalition. I think due to being distracted IRL and focusing on my reads.

Just want to share how many times I stared at this message

The tacked on 'unless you are informed' always reads like UNLESS YOU ARE INFORMED to exaggerated effect in my mind. Just reeks of guilty conscience with how point blank it is

I was illustrating the one scenario where someone's very early coalition can be a serious pick, i.e. if they already know everyone's alignment. Why is it scummy to you?

This post reads as extremely awkward

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I think I've cooled off on my Junko scumread, though I am still not finding that slot any easier to parse, if that makes sense.

Greeting seems even worse, looking back. He healed me at a time when I had already made 56, so obviously he didn't think it was scummy. Then unhealed me because I did something that he as scum does, but... it doesn't really track why is that suddenly scummy from me, why is he projecting onto me, OR why something like that can't come from town!me.

I really like that Una noticed that. Pretty strongly leaning town there currently.

I am interested in this from Greeting if he hasn't explained already

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I

think

, if I had to pick a coalition right now, it would be me, Una, Menalque, Dannflor, and Junko.

HEAL: Dannflor, Junko, Lucian, Menalque, Una

I originally wasn't planning to even placeholder-heal this yet, but I dislike not having my vote in play properly. So I'll heal it with an asterisk that it's very much a subject to change.

Ironically enough, I've gotten to a kind-of-townread on Junko for the same reasons I didn't like her at first.

Menalque I don't townread strongly, but I did see some townie pings in his posting, and I think he's a better pick than someone like Vanders currently. I want to speak to both him and Dannflor before I commit to their votes, though.

I'm starting to feel like Ydrasse's play this game is more engineered to get people to like her, rather than to actually solve.

This is a great post, I don't think scum would give this read on junko

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I also agree menalque is a better pick for town than me, the content they've given this game is much improved from the one game I've played with them that I remember where they were extremely obvious scum.

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But.. you would rather be in the coalition than him, right?

Yeah, but it's a reasonable take.

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HEAL: Vanderscamp, Mena, Lucian, Una, Junko

The first four are my best guesses for town, Junko is a random addition for solidarity with everyone else's coalitions, but I don't have a town read there.

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Vanderscamp you also may not throw

I'm guessing you think Lucian is the throw?

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Lucian and Ydrasse never aligned mafia agree or disagree

Pedit: you should townread all your coalition!

I don't have five townreads!

I think Lucian/dann is a more obvious non-pairing

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is it better to swap Vanderscamp for ydrasse? I am worried if it's wrong that Vanderscamp seems very miselimable

I want the scum in the coalition to have to fight hard

Don't worry about me!

I'll fight hard to prevent being miskilled, just put in your top towns

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Is it egoistical of me to scumread Vanders based on the fact that he seems to townread me and wants me in his coalition, but is doing virtually nothing to actually convince anyone of it, or at least engage with other people's scumreads of me?

This is a good question.
I don't feel so strongly about it to feel the need to convince other people.
My case on you being town isn't much more than leaning towards genuineness on your part, and liking the way in which you evaluated one of your reads.

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Vanderscamp, do you think you would have played differently so far as mafia?

I'd probably try harder to get in a coalition.

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Jk jk I mean, this phase is like lottery, You put your numbers in it and pray, not wanting to engage in perma wifom is town indicative for me

This feels very strange, why would lack of thread presence be town indicative?
Like even if "not engaging in wifom" is a valid reason to townread someone, which it probably isn't, surely most scum don't want to do it either just based on general scum slankiness tendencies?

Unless your read on Mena is that they try harder as scum, which from the scum game I've seen from them is absolutely not the case.

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HEAL: Vanderscamp, Lucian, Menalque, Una, Dann

I was going to swap Junko for Dann before seeing that post anyway, but that read from Junko ensured it, Junko is actively banned from my circle atm.


Why is Junko in other circles?

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Open question to whoever has them in one

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Well I cannot disagree more, both with that read and with that mindset, but it fits with the idea of town-you I have in mind, so like, okay.

Can you elaborate on why you think this?
The second part, I agree the read/mindset is weird

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Vanderscamp, do you think you would have played differently so far as mafia?

I'd probably try harder to get in a coalition.

Jk jk I mean, this phase is like lottery, You put your numbers in it and pray, not wanting to engage in perma wifom is town indicative for me

This feels very strange, why would lack of thread presence be town indicative?
Like even if "not engaging in wifom" is a valid reason to townread someone, which it probably isn't, surely most scum don't want to do it either just based on general scum slankiness tendencies?

Unless your read on Mena is that they try harder as scum, which from the scum game I've seen from them is absolutely not the case.

this is a contradiction you know?

you are answering your own doubt, you are saying you would try hard to get in a coalition as maf but critic my pov that trying less is town indicative.

HURT: Vanderscamp

Mena and I are different players.

I enjoy being scum, and Mena's performance as scum in the game I played with them was not enthusiastic to say the least.

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I think swapping in vanderscamp for someone is a good idea I just don’t know who yet

Junko!

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Vanderscamp, do you think you would have played differently so far as mafia?

I'd probably try harder to get in a coalition.

Jk jk I mean, this phase is like lottery, You put your numbers in it and pray, not wanting to engage in perma wifom is town indicative for me

This feels very strange, why would lack of thread presence be town indicative?
Like even if "not engaging in wifom" is a valid reason to townread someone, which it probably isn't, surely most scum don't want to do it either just based on general scum slankiness tendencies?

Unless your read on Mena is that they try harder as scum, which from the scum game I've seen from them is absolutely not the case.

this is a contradiction you know?

you are answering your own doubt, you are saying you would try hard to get in a coalition as maf but critic my pov that trying less is town indicative.

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Mena and I are different players.

I enjoy being scum, and Mena's performance as scum in the game I played with them was not enthusiastic to say the least.

I mean, I love playing scum, town is like meh, unless the lobby is fun and dandy

Does Mena love playing scum?

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HEAL: Menalque, Una, unwnd, Vanderscamp, ydrasse

ok can we do this

we can swap me for menalque if you want

I'd swap you for unwnd

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I will be here for deadline to do a coalition, busy atm

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Spoiler:

Jk jk I mean, this phase is like lottery, You put your numbers in it and pray, not wanting to engage in perma wifom is town indicative for me

This feels very strange, why would lack of thread presence be town indicative?
Like even if "not engaging in wifom" is a valid reason to townread someone, which it probably isn't, surely most scum don't want to do it either just based on general scum slankiness tendencies?

Unless your read on Mena is that they try harder as scum, which from the scum game I've seen from them is absolutely not the case.

Vanderscamp, do you think you would have played differently so far as mafia?

I'd probably try harder to get in a coalition.

Jk jk I mean, this phase is like lottery, You put your numbers in it and pray, not wanting to engage in perma wifom is town indicative for me

This feels very strange, why would lack of thread presence be town indicative?
Like even if "not engaging in wifom" is a valid reason to townread someone, which it probably isn't, surely most scum don't want to do it either just based on general scum slankiness tendencies?

Unless your read on Mena is that they try harder as scum, which from the scum game I've seen from them is absolutely not the case.

this is a contradiction you know?

you are answering your own doubt, you are saying you would try hard to get in a coalition as maf but critic my pov that trying less is town indicative.

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Mena and I are different players.

I enjoy being scum, and Mena's performance as scum in the game I played with them was not enthusiastic to say the least.

Vanderscamp, do you think you would have played differently so far as mafia?

I'd probably try harder to get in a coalition.

Jk jk I mean, this phase is like lottery, You put your numbers in it and pray, not wanting to engage in perma wifom is town indicative for me

This feels very strange, why would lack of thread presence be town indicative?
Like even if "not engaging in wifom" is a valid reason to townread someone, which it probably isn't, surely most scum don't want to do it either just based on general scum slankiness tendencies?

Unless your read on Mena is that they try harder as scum, which from the scum game I've seen from them is absolutely not the case.

this is a contradiction you know?

you are answering your own doubt, you are saying you would try hard to get in a coalition as maf but critic my pov that trying less is town indicative.

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Mena and I are different players.

I enjoy being scum, and Mena's performance as scum in the game I played with them was not enthusiastic to say the least.

I mean, I love playing scum, town is like meh, unless the lobby is fun and dandy

Does Mena love playing scum?

vanderscamp you rolled scum with Menalque in micro 999 last year, a game in which he top posted and end gamed

so why is this your opinion of menalque's scum game

also, I do not understand why you asked whether menalque loves playing scum when it's clear you have some meta with menalque and also have already formed your own opinion on his alignment preference?

I just looked up this game, I have no memory of this game at all

If mena solo won this game which seems to be what happened then my read on mena might be shit here

My question regarding mena enjoying scum was meant to be informative rhetorical based on mena playing a not great scum game in the only game I remember playing with mena

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I vaguely liked Ydrasse's thoughts in 436, it feels like a townie thought process. It's somewhat diminished because she originally walked back from it pretty quick.

As for Dannflor's thoughts on Vanders in 447... Big oof. I definitely do not want Vanders in the coalition now, barring some spectacular explanation from them. But they're not being that townie anyway, IMO, so...

My "spectacular explanation" is that I don't read games I die early in and I forgot this game existed, you can see in my most recent town game that I was under the impression I've played one scum game on this site ever (and not the game I played with mena.

I agree if mena top posted that game and solo won as scum my read on mena is not going to be as good, I'm basing my mena read on the game I played, I don't remember what the game was called, but it was the one where essentially a character of unknown alignment gets a hit on a player in the game N0, and mena played, sorry to say mena and please don't ban me for hate speech or whatever, but mena played literally one of the shittest scum games I have ever seen in my life before replacing out. If mena is capable of solo winning as scum which seems to be a thing then I retract my mena townread.

I also agree I haven't been exceptionally towny and am fine with me not being in your coalition

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What game are you talking about?

The game you referenced

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HEAL: Vanderscamp, Lucian, Dann, Una, unwnd

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mena playing a not great scum game in the only game I remember playing with mena

Please link this game.

I've been trying to find it and am struggling, my recollection is mena replaced out d1 as scum and someone with fae pronouns threw the game, hopefully mena can be some help with this

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mena playing a not great scum game in the only game I remember playing with mena

Please link this game.

I've been trying to find it and am struggling, my recollection is mena replaced out d1 as scum and someone with fae pronouns threw the game, hopefully mena can be some help with this

Is there a better way to find my past games than searching through my previous posts?
I lost this game on d2 iirc

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Mena was the person who had the n0 hit on a player and was the unknown alignment.

Mena's "strategy" was essentially just to say "hey guys this person is scum" and then post no accompanying content at all.
I don't remember the name of the game, I think a player named flea was in it, I think the player mena called a hit on also had a name that started with M.

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Previous topics might be better

Who do you feel most strongly about positively or negatively in the coalition that I’m voting Vander

I feel positively about you and Una. I feel positively on unwnd based literally only off of posting style and not content (eg I haven't thought at all about the content unwnd is posting, just the way/length of how unwnd is posting it)
I have a mild scum read on Junko based on whatever post I called out earlier that I didn't like from Junko, I'n pretty sure it was a read on mena, and I have ydresse as a compete null and not worthy of a coalition vote.

I would sub out Lucian for ydresse if you don't want to put me in your coalition, I feel like Lucian has had more townish passion this game

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Was the game on this website?

What do you mean by "n0 hit" and who was the unknown alignment?

A certain character of unknown alignment gets a view on someone who is either evil, or is a town-aligned player whose daykill will give evil the win. So the setup is either 7-2 or 6-3.

Mena was this player and was evil, I think this game ran in early 2021. There's a small chance mena was not this player and I'm misremembering, but I'm pretty confident it was mena.

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My apologies

This is the game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=85284

The player I'm thinking of is Mini and not Mena.

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And yeah happy to take Mena out of the coalition obviously

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GG WP!