Micro 1065 Coalition Game Over!

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[hell:]Ydrasse[/hell]

Send her home

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Misspelled oops

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Mafia players be like

Ydrasse and Dannflor could be Mafia together. However, they could also be town together. The ontological prospect of a dissemenating wagon of two factional alignments is judiciously high to some degree. Logical fallacies. Buzzword. Despite this, Buzzword. the benefication of two opposing Buzzword. factors can coincide with a commonplace endeavor that predicates two likely quantities of the same form. I may have confirmation bias and meta may predicatiously fornicate the gammaelfactorial malpractice of two reads that masterfractal the pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

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Anyways you are all fucking idiots if you don't vote with me and I will shit

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Ummm...prove it?

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I'm looking at your post right now and I've decided that based on the current state of the game you are null

Have a nice day

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Get back here wolf

I feel like Ydrasse would not say this as one of the mafia because they will be having a longer conversation then.

A preemptive thought, yet a comforting one

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Ydrasse the Cyberbully

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You're welcome for the fursona idea

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It's a bear

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Please do not maul me with your bear claws...

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You never did in the first place! You called me wolf

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I'm mkaing sure you know how much I despise U

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I think you're town but I dunno about Lucian

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No no I already said your town look at the badge under my name

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Seems dubious

I am dubious

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Junko did have a weird reaction to Dannflor but everyone just glanced over it

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Is that a statement about Junko's meta?

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If I were stressed what does that mean for my alignment

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If I were stressed what does that mean for my alignment

I'm glad you asked, god you are so predictable I already had this prepared

as NSG once said:

the basic idea for those unfamiliar is that playing scum or just in general lying is a lot more cognitive stress / a lot more of a cognitive load than playing town is, and one consequence of this is that someone may be less likely to pick up on humor, and thus will respond to a joke completely seriously or misinterpret what someone's saying. (ironically enough, exactly like you do right there)

it is also a trademarked tell of NSG incorporated and every time you use it in a game you must give her credit or else receive a cease and desist from her lawyers

The tone of your post seemed like you were offended which doesn't seem like a joke to me

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Mafia like to be right. He would still want to talk about it as mafia but to argue

What do you think about this line of thinking for Junko's recent posts

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Like she doubled down on me as if I were caught or something

Was a bit strange

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I'm being griefed from all sides

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I have a tick that causes me to get a bit impatient, but it's not stress lol

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While I appreciative the endorsement Lucian, I don't feel like Dannflor has done anything to be town? I like your willingness to you know, actually play the fucking game however. Junko

is

being weird but I don't want to just assume that her naysayer attitude (see: her responses to you) is indicative of scum. I was a bit confused by her antics the other night and I'm still confused now. The basis of her logic is that I didn't understand a joke therefore I am scum? I don't really feel like being told that I'm 'choking' on something is a joke.

For posterity sake: It's fun to have fun and jokes are great. I'm a silly wacky fun-loving honk honk guy. However, I am also a tryhard. If Junko means what she says then perhaps she can use her own material instead of just referencing someone else wiithout caring about context.

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Honestly, I don't agree with Ydra's interpretation entirely. I think the aspect of her being 'devil may care' seems right on paper, but if she really didn't give a shit...why would she go out of her way to try and make an example out of me?

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Vibes can be dangerous if unchecked, I feel like

you

know this especially...
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I asked Una about meta but didn't really get an answer, she hasn't really played consistently this year so probably not reliable

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HEAL: junkochan, una, unwnd, vanderscamp, ydrasse

greeting and lucian seem like mafia

I hate that you're probably right

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The cat picture makes me think ydra doesn't have a knife this game cuz no opposable thumbs

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HEAL: Una, Menalque, unwnd, Greetings, Vanderscamp

Are these random?

Did you not notice these matched mine?

It was about 3 and a half hours between me reading your heals and reading Junko's. Not to mention that I assumed that your heals are random, while Junko's might not have been.

That is mean. Why would you assume I have no strategy?

Because I don't think you can have an actual coalition pick at post 11,

unless you are informed?

Though I'm listening if you wanna convince me otherwise.

I didn't mean to be mean. x_x

Just want to share how many times I stared at this message

The tacked on 'unless you are informed' always reads like UNLESS YOU ARE INFORMED to exaggerated effect in my mind. Just reeks of guilty conscience with how point blank it is

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Actually it's 15,121

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HEAL: Vanderscamp, unwnd, Una, Dannflor, JunkoChan

I think Lucian/Junko aren't aligned and Lucian has been my #1 scumread for a while now therefore I'm split between them

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I feel the most preemptive about dannflor

Una has me pocketed this game, sorry Ydra

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Dann in the time that I've been gone have you become more uh

Forthright? I just remember your town game being more delicate? That's the aspect that is throwing me off

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probably

I am in a general phase right now of being a try hard and getting gud and trying to improve my read accuracy significantly

How good are you at reading Ydrasse

Asking for a friend

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As we know,

I'm king at reading Ydra

I'm always wrong

That consistency is chef's kiss

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i town

Just want to share how many times I stared at this message

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I've been withholding my walls because I often wonder if the act of doing so is just mental exercise for myself, and skim material for the rest

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I mean don't get me wrong

I love a thorough examination of thought, it's just that usually most people will just accredit your post based on effort, instead of context

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Effort is very easy to fake however. I know this from experience. I've made my millions by faking effort. It is a strategy to try and overwhelm someone and make it sound convincing.

Lucian's approach isn't exactly

overwhelming

, but the basis of my scumread is closely related to the act of convincing someone. Lucian's posts (as a whole) is that he looks like he's trying to convince

himself.

To convince oneself his mentality is green even when the shade of his role PM contradicts.

This very notion is exacerbated by his odd willingness to back down on things when given even the slightest amount of pushback. We had a conversation about Junko and both agreed that was she did was weird. OK. Why are we here now where he suddenly agrees with Junko being town. It's not that townies can't be influenced by those around them, but that read in particular felt quite strong even if early. The processing in which his thoughts formulate are sort of always keeping close to what everyone is doing instead of what he should be doing. This type of willingness to engage would be alright if he were offering some sort of perspective in the mix. He really hasn't and he continues to make observation without trying to reach conclusion.

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What is your read on me, Ydrasse

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I feel strange about that take cause I personally feel like I've gotten better at conveying what I mean?

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So you think that my words make sense in terms of language but

You're confused by what it means to me personally? And why I would say it

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We had a conversation about Junko and both agreed that was she did was weird. OK. Why are we here now where he suddenly agrees with Junko being town. It's not that townies can't be influenced by those around them, but that read in particular felt quite strong even if early. The processing in which his thoughts formulate are sort of always keeping close to what everyone is doing instead of what he should be doing. This type of willingness to engage would be alright if he were offering some sort of perspective in the mix. He really hasn't and he continues to make observation without trying to reach conclusion.

I figured that her continuing doing nothing was slightly +town. And I was having enough weird-nullreads / scumreads / i-don't-trust-you reads that I figured it's more likely there's scum there

somewhere

dirtying the reads and she's just a silly townie.

I didn't bother explaining this because I didn't feel it's actually worth being explained. From what I gathered, people already agreed on her being town. It would be preaching to the choir.

I want to hear it

That small exchange with Junko was probably the most..expressive? I've seen from you. It was telling to me because it didn't seem orchestrated, like you really were getting pissed off at Junko. I think if you two were scum together it'd be choreographed better

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Nah, walls can be good

I'm not anti-wall, I just think it takes a certain type of player? Walls can be bad if the person who is writing them doesn't really understand how to format them

I felt in that regard, your wall was fine

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I still think he's scum

Just a gut feeling I tried to explain with words

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My reads are pretty much here

Town
Una
Vanderscamp

Lean town
Junko

Null
Dannflor
Mena
Ydra

Lean scum
Greeting (I guess)

Scum
Lucian

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You two seem the most disconnected

This is a positive in coalition, where your posts seem strung by independent thought. There's no carefulness attached to where you need to worry about a partner

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In terms of that independence as well, I think it's mostly townie

I'm definitely thinking in terms of who makes sense with who for this phase because it'd be cool to just win

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If we were going the route of intentionally(?) voting one scum in I'd say it's more optimal to do two of them

The reason being that we will always only be informed of one if the coalition fails, and then we could just PoE down 5 people before they can reach majority? Numbers not my strongsuit but yeah

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When you're scum dannflor (if there any instances of this) do you feel yourself leaning more bureaucratic?

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Uh

It's not really intentional, I just play a priority game

I laid out my big scumread and now I'm just feeling out people based on what I've said

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Your emotions to me seem real, but I think that you have experience

Meaning, I can only take that at face value. Especially because I don't know you?

It's a bit contextual how emotions dictate behavior yknow

I just get the impression it's not outside your range to fake

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Just a disclaimer that a scumread doesn't mean player disapproval

And I'm not telling you that in a condescending tone either, like I'm saying 'well get over that I scumread you'

I just wanted to put that out because yeah regardless of alignment I'm not trying to isolate you

I think that can be a dirty and effective strategy, but not how I wanna play

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Now I talked about my gut feeling about you but it still remains based on your appearances as well. You have a lot of unkempt emotion, but it's sort of..kept in reserve. Like, you pull it out when you need it. It reads to me as self-serving. People are questioning your motives and behavior therefore you can fall back on the premise of you just being misconstrued.

This is completely possible. Yet what I'm trying to get is like..how is this benefiting you in terms of development. I've heard your argument in

why

you're doing this and I'm sure you could write me more about it. I can't shake the disconnect however. Even your last post of 'is it egotistical of me' makes me think I dunno...is it? Is it egotistical. And if it is egotistical, how can you hone into that to maybe pressure vanderscamp? You can correct me if I'm wrong but again-- you seem like someone attuned to their emotions. Like you use them in strategic ways as both alignments. The strategy of how you've applied them

in this game

really puts me off from believing it's town.

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When you're scum dannflor (if there any instances of this) do you feel yourself leaning more bureaucratic?

I’m not quite sure what you mean by bureaucratic

I think the answer is no but maybe you could rephrase?

I'll just speak a bit more plainly

Do you feel like you don't care about faking a process as scum? Like you just wanna seem really convincing by whatever (fake) read you want to make?

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My coalition choices are pretty good imho

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Ydra won't let me sit at the lunch table

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Troll in my lobby

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unwnd is an unreadable obelisk. i think he’s town this game (?)

Can you explain this a bit more? Last time it was something about vibes

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I find it a bit offensive somewhat that my words are only being measured by density

I just had a lot to say about my read in particular about him cause I dunno, it was important?

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Serious question--

Are the words I'm using like, not easy to follow? I write things because I want to convince people. I want them to see what I'm seeing

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OK let me try again

Lucian is being sussy

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unwnd do you have any like new thoughts on the game

Uhh yeah but do you want them in a tangent?

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The reviews are in on unwnd

Una - "I don't remember ur posts"
Ydrasse - "unreadable obelisk"
Dannflor - "dense posts came more from trying to explain reachy town thought processes than scum trying to show off"
JunkoChan - "Ok boomer"

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I'm not sure if I want to because I feel like this game has been surprisingly centered around me

Like why is it my slot that you want to hear from and not like Greeting or Mena

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What are your doubts towards me? My list of priorities is something like follows:

1) Figure out who makes sense as Lucian's partner
2) Have a backup if Lucian is town
3) Try to widen my townpool

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I would not call this game centered around you but I’m interested in why you feel that way

Everyone has some sort of take on me

A lot of them aren't conclusive, which is frustrating tbh

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The only person to really solidfy a stance is ironically Lucian

It's just been arm's length for the rest of you

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Personally, that shocks me

I think I've been an obnoxious prick this game

I feel like what I've said about Lucian is what I want people to focus on and give attention to, with shitpost-esque content in the interrim

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Haha that's a really good take on my slot

I definitely am reserving myself because I don't like making games about me

Yet I often find that despite my own insistence on being more of a background player, I end up being more integral. Maybe it's just the way I carry myself? When I said 'I think the game is about me' it wasn't an egotistical affront. It was more bitter, where I feel like I've been constantly interacted. This is a table of friends so I feel a bit more comfortable just having idle conversation which makes me want to post more. However, I don't believe that is necessarily furthering the game state.

That being said, I mentioned to Ydra before in passing that vibes can be dangerous. If you vibe too much it can create a status quo where people are only judged by how much they bring in terms of it. Meaning, you have a ton of people 'vibing'. People stop fact-checking each other or thinking about what these posts actually mean. It sucks when you're scum and you're being out-vibed, but this player list

especially

knows how to manipulate this status quo. That is why I am null on a good portion on these people.

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I'm a bit paranoid that I could be getting manipulated by vibes. Una is a great viber, as is Junko. Ydra is especially fun to vibe with, and I'd say I like vibing with you too. I'd be easy for me to say 'I enjoy these people, so I want them to be town.' However, I am stubborn and another part of me is saying 'these players haven't earned it yet, even if you're chummy with them'

I wasn't ready to talk about cause I didn't deem it as something that would further the gamestate. Does that make sense?

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Effort is very easy to fake however. I know this from experience. I've made my millions by faking effort. It is a strategy to try and overwhelm someone and make it sound convincing.

Lucian's approach isn't exactly

overwhelming

, but the basis of my scumread is closely related to the act of convincing someone. Lucian's posts (as a whole) is that he looks like he's trying to convince

himself.

To convince oneself his mentality is green even when the shade of his role PM contradicts.

This very notion is exacerbated by his odd willingness to back down on things when given even the slightest amount of pushback. We had a conversation about Junko and both agreed that was she did was weird. OK. Why are we here now where he suddenly agrees with Junko being town. It's not that townies can't be influenced by those around them, but that read in particular felt quite strong even if early. The processing in which his thoughts formulate are sort of always keeping close to what everyone is doing instead of what he should be doing. This type of willingness to engage would be alright if he were offering some sort of perspective in the mix. He really hasn't and he continues to make observation without trying to reach conclusion.

Is this, like, alignment indicative at all? This can easily be explained by herd mentality, which benefits both scum and a townie who doesn't want to stand out and get eliminated.

As a matter of fact, I think that going against herd mentality is a stronger sign of towniness. Mafia are less likely to do it, especially less experienced mafa, simply because it draws attention.

This is a good response because I want to ask you then

Is Lucian a victim of being outside of this herd? Is my read on him incorrect?

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Post 233 and 331 from me Is the bulk of my argument

Lucian has posted since then, but I still feel strongly about what I wrote to describe his play

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You are vibing like crazy right now

Should I unheal you

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Ydrasse

Can you explain that one further

I've been leaning she could be town or
some other deep seated paranoid thought that I don't wanna mention

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My gamestate take right now is

Timeline A - The vibers are proportionally more town right now. Lucian (a mafia member) cannot keep up with the general camaraderie and is being iced out by his approach. There could still be one viber who could be scum, but currently I don't see it. This timeline ends with Lucian being iced out and his partner not having enough sway to stop the vibers either.

Timeline B - Scum is hiding in vibers. They are using camaraderie to post in plain daylight with nobody considering their motives, due to the vibes they bring. This timeline ends with Ydrasse winning as mafia.

Timeline C - A mix of both timelines in some form

I find it's usually C

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Waiting for the png titled 'associative tells' from you

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I'll wait

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Definitely something pooky would do!

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I don't understand why I'm being labeled 'unreadable' this game but I guess it doesn't matter as long as we win

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Jog my memory

Which one was that

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Oh yeah that's actually the game I glanced at for him too

Way different tempo than what he's doing in this one

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HEAL: Dannflor, JunkoChan, Una, unwnd, Ydrasse

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IMO none of that buhh wait until deadline shit

Prolonging the day usually just benefits scum

I mean that wholeheartedly

No idea where the new meta formed that you need to play strictly to deadline

pedit: I do agree Vander should get a spot

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HEAL: Dannflor, Una, unwnd, Vanderscamp, Ydrasse

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The only hesitance I'll give on my read of you (right now) Lucian is that you're not posting like you're about to lose

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I could stubbornly say 'it's possible your partner is on the coalition', but I digress

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i’m lucians partner in the coalition

U are a Villianess

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The only hesitance I'll give on my read of you (right now) Lucian is that you're not posting like you're about to lose

Have you yet considered that I might be town?

I think if the coalition is bad I will probably re-calibrate to some extent yeah

Nothing is written in stone

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Yeah I don't have a problem with it

I am in 'just pick something' mode

HEAL: Dannflor, Junkochan, Una, Vanderscamp, Ydrasse

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Oh I was right about Greeting at least

Woops about Lucian

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Though TO BE FAIR

I was sayin' that Lucian wasn't posting like he was about to lose...

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I'm sorry bud

I liked playing with you! Hopefully you didn't feel otherwise

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Unwnd and ydrasse town win together real not fake

Mod is trolling

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I would expect no less from that fucking bear

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something something study in town being silly and goofy while wolves not play

The Vibes Were Real